Or she’s acting like she doesn’t care. We still have to wonder about the hive ghosts. Savathun wasn’t named the god of cunning for nothing, she’s not above lying even to herself, literally.
@@khvostov7g-0x17 And the fact Savathun also twisted and manipulated God knows how many Ghosts after she began to grant her Lucent Hive the Light when she was resurrected by Immaru after having her worm familiar removed from her by Mara's ritual in the end of the last season, as well as how she used us and tried to hurt us and the City in so many ways, like revealing Crow's past as Uldren Sov to throw seeds of dissent, and how she also manipulated the already paranoid Lakshmi to help her during the attempts to shroud the Last City in eternal darkness and all she may have done while posing as Osiris.
And then later Savathun completely loses her cool after showing her a memory of how manipulated the Hive truly were. Even at that point, she was still doing something that a higher power seemed to have wanted. Note: Do remember that the Traveler did nothing to stop Savathun from bringing it into her Throne World. In short, it likely did want her to send it somewhere safe even if it meant damning the Earth and maybe even the Lucent Brood too. It seems she can't escape being strung along by the will of some higher power, both her and her people. Which likely was the reason why she snapped back so badly.
Yep. And it's also because she was so deep in the lies the Witness fed her, Oryx, and Xivu Arath before their ascension as gods that she just couldn't believe the reality that she, the Hive god of lies and cunning, was just another pawn to something worse.
The Traveller is pretty passive right now and doesn't directly interfere unless it's a threat it thinks the Guardian can't handle or it's seriously pissed off. The Guardian is its "champion", so it probably figured he could stop Savathun.
After fully understanding her and her siblings lore I actually feel empathy for her she wasn’t trying to take the light from us she was trying to protect it from the witness…which we failed to do>:(
I think she's gonna come back and this is going to the be the exact reason we end up teaming up with the Hive. All races untied to take down the Witness.
That's one heck of an angle to take, considering that it could have doomed humanity again into another episode like the Red War. And I don't think we could survive for a second time.
It kind of makes me wonder though. When Lightfall does come out, would we have no choice but to let Savathun's ghost resurrect her so we could have Hive allies? I mean were not gonna have a choice.......Right?
When Savathun got ressurected she forgot about her past so she had to use statues and tablets to remember but still doesn't remember all of it. She's probably listening to ghost cry like this 👁👄👁
Tbh destiny is at its best when you can take all the experiences you’ve had and compile them. It sucks bungie has to make the game for all kinds of players because the only way to get the most impact from this is to have been through all those times for the dialogue to even trigger
Poor ghost i can sense that he has ptsd from the great war , crota, the hive , oryx the taken king , the taken and now savathun with the light and his friends deaths
Season of the Witch: “Still want to die Ghost”? Ghost: “No, I want vengeance”. Eris, Hive god of Vengence: “gooood. Let the hate flow through you, give into vengeance”!
Ironic. Knowing now, that the Ghosts can hear the Traveler in pain from this current season, it could be, that the Traveler knew Savathun could at least delay the Witness taking the Traveler. But, looking back, this scene also shows, the Light may have chosen Savathun, but that doesn’t mean she deserves a second chance. Eris, now a Hive god, and the Coalition, very well may kill Savathun and eradicate the Hive once the Witness is dealt with. The Hive may have been worthy of the Light, but they weren’t worthy of a second chance. Crow would sooner kill off the Lucent Brood at this point.
No, in order for the game to recognize your D1 achievements you had to have played on the same account before D2 Launch. That said, I’m not sure if this dialogue is necessarily veteran, as some non-D1 players CLAIM to have heard it themselves. It’s confusing really
Oh yeah the moment our ghost goes full on xenophobia, because a diffrent species got the light from our blessed god the traveler. I hated that and I just wanted to work with Savathun at that moment, because she seems much more competend then our vanguard seems to be. We have seen now that she was right in the first place and freaking stopped the last collaps on her own. So be freaking thankful, because if it wasn't for her you would not be there in the first place. Everyone who say's this a good course of action is just an idiot, so f... you and have a nice day
@@ahsanmajid5434 All I know is that she used a spell to do it. Savathun spent a few months in the last city studying the traveler and its implied that she figured out how cast that spell during that time.
@@ahsanmajid5434 He's the Traveler's sworn enemy. He is the most powerful known wielder of Darkness in the universe, so powerful that he can move entire planets in and out of existence on his own. He controls the pyramid ships, created the Hive, and caused the collapse of humanity. He'll be the main villain of the next 2 expansions, the first one coming this February (Lightfall).
@@HaloReachGamer520 Oryx is dialogue you always get no matter what. The veteran dialogue depends on if you completed The Dark Below and Last Wish raid.
@@xrstevenson I did only one part of the Last Wish raid which is the first encounter because it was easy, well for me, to understand. Shuro Chi encounter happened to be the closest 2nd my team did but we wiped after the third room in dps. As for the rest, I don't know much about.
@@HaloReachGamer520 yeah you actually have to finish the raid in one sitting for it to count as a completion in the database and frankly that was always a little weird to me but the Boss battle completion determines the dialogue. And i never beat Oryx in Kings Fall or Riven in Last Wish. Too hard for the LFG teams i was joining
First Variks exploding at Eramis, now Ghost putting Savathun in her place. I love how the last two expansions have had moments where normally timid characters get to snap
Savathun showed character by not trying to get in the last word, unlike Eramis who somehow had something to say even after the flaming that Variks gave to her
@@SALEENS7GTR5yeah. That sucked. I do wish that we had the choice to have cayde-6 as our ghost now. I mean, it is his light. Would love to have him with me on missions.
A year late, but the dialogue you get depends on what your guardian has experienced. For example, Ghost will only mention crota and the great disaster IF you killed him in D1, same for Oryx. @kerrrobertson3699
@@dre160 sort of yeah bro as mara stated in the ending of season of the lost she was responsible. savathun played with uldren by sending him to the black garden and he got pricked by some flower there go check byf for more info on that, but before that he was a well respected and kind person but the flower corrupted him more with byf on that. But yeah savathun caused his downfall specially with the dreaming city and its curse
@@saikopomp Savathun didn't send him to the Black Garden, he did that of his own accord. But Savathun did take control of Riven after Oryx died and Riven manipulated Uldren into his atrocities in the Reef and leading us into the Dreaming City, which then lead us to wishing the Dreaming City curse into reality when we tried killing Riven. So Savathun was behind Cayde's death, but it was a means to an end (luring us to the Dreaming City).
Nolan North Brought his fucking all in the expansion.......... like goddamn he went all in on this performance. To think once upon a time we went from "That wizard came from the moon" to this is a testament on how much Bungie loves this series
Oh, yeah, it had to be since we know Savathun would want to trick us like that, and how she's also a coward that wouldn't want her Light snuffed out after she gained the power she felt would make her surpass the Witness, Light, and Darkness, while still keeping her true colors from when the Witness tricked her when she was Sathona in order to have the Krill accept the Darkness, and become the Hive.
What I love about Ghost here is he's pointing out how even IF Savathun is one of the Traveler's Chosen, she's a hypocrite because she's spent too much time under the Witness's influence thanks to how she was lied to as Sathona so the Witness could keep the Traveler from gaining powerful allies in the Light, and that she follows the same kind of subterfuge, manipulation, and lies that the Witness has tricked her with in its quest to eliminate *ALL* life in the universe, and how even if she claims to serve the Traveler's "true" interests, she still lied to all those Ghosts she had given to her Knights, Acolytes and Wizards, and we know Fynch saw through her lies which is why he wants to help us, while some of the Ghosts, as we know with Immaru, are *FINE* to serve monsters like the Hive, no matter their tragic circumstances.
Savathun being the hypocrite here is not really true. She is a freaking hero, because guess who stopped the first collapse on her own. She killed Nez, lied to the Witness and hid the Veil. Now tell me at what part is she under the influence here. Because that sounds like all negative points for team Witness. Our Ghost is more of a hypocrite right here. Saying he would never work with someone who is such a cruel monster like the hive. Meanwhile he is best buddy with warlords like Shaxx or guys like us and Saint 14 who killed millions. And the, do you know how many of my ghost friends your species killed-thing, doesn't work because we do the same for the entire campaign. So who is the hypocrite right here?
@@Mia-Bunny we didnt know about the veil at the time shaxx is no longer a warlord and has redeemed himself, savathun is still up to her old tricks guys like us? so you think the guardian is a villain? saint 14 killed enemy combatants in a war we didnt start, he protected his own if we didnt kill the hive ghosts there risen would kill us, so none of what you said works on any level
@@lord_wyran Thank you! And I even said in my original comment how Savathun may have been one of the Traveler's Chosen by rights, but she still had so much she picked up from the Witness manipulating her, even before she schemed against it, plus she was up to her old tricks as a way to just help herself, which is why I said besides her aims to protect the Traveler from the Witness, even if it meant everything else would burn, she also wanted to keep the Light for herself and the Lucent Hive she created.
@@lord_wyran Oh yeah Shaxx the redeemed Warlord. Have we given Savathun the privilege to redeem herself? I don't think so. For the Saint 14 thing, so its okay to slaughter millions, even children as long as they attacked first? Are you out of your mind? Btw yes Guardians are not really hero's, because hero's don't freaking extinguish other races. We have seen time and time again that our problem solving is literally can we kill it with guns. Season of the haunted shows us real traumatic experience from these characters and we go ahead and shoot it down. If you translate this behavior, it is take a gun and shoot the things that traumatizes you. That is not a good message in the slightest. Or how about season of the splicer, where the community is happy about a death of a mentally ill person. We are not the good guys and thinking so is pretty naive. We play in a dystopian world, that means people like Savathun or Clovis are not the bad guys. We are not good, they are not bad, we should take every opportunity to survive at the end of the day and Savathun was a pretty good chance of survival. If you still think we are the ultimate good in the universe, than please take your sparrow and drive it down a cliff. Only in game, because I don't want you to harm yourself.
@@BryonYoungblood exactly, shes kind of like the opposite of crow. she may be chosen by the light, but her resurrection didnt change her, she only started to change once we exposed the witnesses deceit. honestly my theory is, the witness knew we would either expose what happened and it hoped that would change savathun over time and bring her to our side, hence why it saved her ghost. OR she would beat us and bring the traveler away to safety and now that shes under its influence she couldnt trap it with her magic or the traveler would just take her light
Now that I thinking about it, Savathun moved the Traveler into her throne world while Rhulk was still around... Sometimes, I question the Traveler's choices.
@@void-9572 Yep, and her death only weakened the spell that kept Rhulk locked in his Pyramid. We also can't forget she expected to kill us so easily so she could protect the Traveler in her own twisted way _AND_ just so she could keep the Light for herself and her Lucent Brood.
Yeah, Nolan North _CRUSHED_ it with his delivery of Ghost's anger and pain at Savathun and her believing she and her Ghosts (the ones she and Immaru manipulated to their side most likely due to them being partnerless and wanting to find where they belong, like Fynch) serve the Traveler's "true" intentions.
To be honest, I love how this scene shows that our little Ghost has it's own will, it's own memories, it's own beliefs and perspectives on things. It's not just a pawn of the Traveler, to the point that our own Ghost here is not denying Savathun that the Traveler's will included the Lightbearing Hive, but instead defiantly shouting back that the Hive were murderers and had killed countless allies of ours. He's basically saying he doesn't care if the Traveler chose the Hive because he knows what is right and what the Hive are: warlords and murderers.
Though the hive guardians are like the crow honestly. They don’t have memories savvathun just got to them first. And some lore does show that the hive guardians aren’t as bad as the regular hive. For instance a hive titan refused to crush a guardians ghost and his ghost just let him stay dead when the guardian resurrected. Or a hive guardian that kept on committing suicide every time her ghost tried to revive her . Her ghost was kinda crazy In some ways the hive ghosts are worse than their guardians
Warlords and murderers yeah, that sound like all guardians. Truth is a funny thing, isn't it? But hey having a warlord as our crucible vendor and Saint ''I murderd so much fallen, that they tell scary story's about my mass genocide to their children'' 14 as a great hero in our tower, is a great thing. Good that we work with these people and not the hive, because the hive do the same thing, but they are the hive, so thats not good. You know what call that, xenophobia at it's finest.
@@Mia-Bunny While you have extremely valid points re: the innate hypocrisy of the Lightbearers of Earth and some of our most beloved heroes having done things which are best described as "Not against geneva conventions only bc we don't have geneva anymore", the Hive (though not IMO the lucent brood) is quite literally a faction which is a perfect moral evil--the Witness and the shape of the sword logic explicitly exist to commit omnicide against all things which aren't strong enough to defend themselves from getting omnicided. The Sword Logic represents "a universal law of ultimate fascism" and The Hive all exist worshiping that structure--and there isn't a chance of dissent, because The Hive also all have Worms inside them which feed on that conquest and genocide. The Lucent Brood, though...Savathun no longer has a Worm and has been shown to have worked together with the Traveler since pre-Collapse. The only reason the Guardians are opposed to her is because of bad blood. I'd be shocked if we don't end up in an uneasy alliance with the Brood to take down the Witness for the exact points you're making: Savathun's Lucent Brood is a faction of the Hive which uniquely DOESN'T exist within a Perfect Moral Evil framework. It very much IS more complex than that with them.
@@onewaysaintlaika I agree with you, the normal hive are evil because of your exactly what you are saying. The story of witchqueen was good, don't get me wrong, but the reaction of our faction is so anoying. It was like we want to do a second inquisition, where I just wanted to have dialogue options. I would have loved to work with Savathun, the possiblity's where this could take us are endless. I just hated to kill her and I let myself get killed at the end just to let her stay alive a little more.
All main enemy deaths (2014-2022) Taniks-Guardian Aksis-Guardian The Sol Progeny-Guardian Omnigul-Guardian Crota-Guardian Oryx-Guardian Consul-Ghaul Ghaul- Guardian then traveler Panoptes-Guardian Xol-Guardian The Rider-Guardian The Mad Bomber-Guardian The Machinist-Guardian The Rifleman-Guardian The Hangman-Guardian The Mindbender-Guardian The Trickster-Guardian The Fanatic-Guardian Uldren-Petra Omnigul's Nightmare-Guardian Taniks' Nightmare-Guardian Ghaul's Nightmare-Guardian Fanatic's Nightmare-Guardian Crota's Nightmare-Guardian Phylaks-Guardian Praksis-Guardian Eramis-Guardian Kridis-Guardian Atraks-1-Guardian Taniks-Guardian Savathun-Guardian Enemies that may still be alive: Eramis Savathun Oryx Uldren Calus Taniks
Aksis that didn't got mentiont: time to pull a taniks move, tbh its sad for how less siva is still being mentiont off in d2, it feels like it was all filler, not even from mithrax since aksis was probably the only splicer that did achieve god hood
@@khvostov7g-0x17 This dialogue appeared for me and I hadn't beaten either campaigns when I played it. Was confusing since the game doesn't put any effort in explaining who these people are.
i like how he mentions crota a lot of ppl forget that the reason crota was even here was because savathun sabotaged him when he was creating his oversoul, pretty much every single bad thing that has ever happened to destiny up to beyond light was savathun fault, even the red war, if crota was never here, oryx wouldnt come here either, the cabal wouldnt try to attack and they wouldnt send a message directly to the empire
And in turn, Crota's attempt to return to life in The Dark Below is what led us to go after him in the Hellmouth on the Moon, killing him in the end of "Crota's End", which would lead Oryx to Sol, seeking his vengeance as well as changing the game figuratively and literally when he unleashed the Dreadnaught as well as the Taken on us. Even with Savathun's intentions, she still played perfectly into the Witness's hands by doing what she did to Crota as well as Oryx. All while she wanted to be free of the Sword Logic of the Hive and gain power to surpass the Witness. You nailed it for sure, and it's ironic how Savathun failed to see it.
Threadbound debuff... Threadcutter buff... Sources are right. This is when we should have gotten strand. If only the story hadn't been hacked up into separate pieces...
I’m not sure what Savathun was trying to accomplish by talking to the Guardian and his ghost. Her family has literally made life hell for them and their friends. Why would she think they would side with her at all?
Because we began killing her family and friends before? I mean all the problems we have with the hive came essentially from killing Crota. Savathun is pretty reasonable here, I mean she plays her cards right and wants help against a much bigger bad guy. Until that point we didn't even know about the Witness. She goes her own way of helping us and wants to help us and even has a plan. Do we have a plan against the Witness? I don't think we do, except just point a gun at its head and shoot. I would side with Savathun on this one.
@@Mia-Bunny Crota and his brood were the aggressors. They were the ones that came to Sol looking for a fight and they got their butts kicked for it. I don’t think humanity can be blamed for shooting back after what he did. Every time the Hive come to Sol it’s almost always to try and kill humanity off. I don’t think humanity can be blamed for killing Savathun’s family off when they came to Sol to try and force that fate onto them. Apologies here comes my rant. Sure in current lore we the players know what Savathun did for the “greater good” but the Guardians don’t really know that at this point. Plus they don’t have much reason to trust her(I personally still don’t even after knowing what she did). Her family has been attacking humanity for centuries for no good reason. This is also literally after she possessed Osiris and held him hostage over our heads. She just did what she did and expected us to be fine with it? No that’s stupid.
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you jumping off to get that ghost was the most titan shit ever,hat's off
XD
Ngl would've done the exact same thing
I think I jumped off twice before I realised I couldn't get it lmao
@@BenMurrayyy extra titan
Lol
I just love how you throw the shield at the end at Savathun like. "YEAH! You tell her ghost!"
Only appropriate response
Titan moment
@@hoozl Just as much as leaping at Immaru to try to crush him before falling to death.
Ghost in forsaken: "Guardian, I'm scared your losing yourself to vengeance"
Ghost in Witch Queen: "Guardian, fuck that bitch up!"
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let me fix that!
Our ghost has definitely grown. (Wipes away a tear) I'm so proud!
Ghost in Lightfall: "Guardian, the darkness keeps fucking me up and I have significantly less lines and I'm afraid Bungie is going to kill me soon..."
Period
Ghost be like: YEAH! GET HER ASS! BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER!
I love how our Ghost has become more of it's own character and not just the voice that always speaks to us.
For us*
@@funbro99 Well he does speak to us as well. A LOT.
Wym he’s always been a character even back in D1
You mean the one that speaks for us right?
@@dannyyoroi1955 I’d say even more so especially in Taken King and rise of iron he was so sassy on the comms sometimes lol.
ghost: I WILL NEVER SERVE THE HIVE
Savathun: i cant argue back
Or she’s acting like she doesn’t care.
We still have to wonder about the hive ghosts. Savathun wasn’t named the god of cunning for nothing, she’s not above lying even to herself, literally.
@@dragonking1097 Thats true
*cough* Eris is now Hive *cough*
Savathun said: damn fair enough
This captures how much hatred almost all garudians have for savathun and the hive.
Rightly so, they’ve genocided thousands of civilizations
@@khvostov7g-0x17 And the fact Savathun also twisted and manipulated God knows how many Ghosts after she began to grant her Lucent Hive the Light when she was resurrected by Immaru after having her worm familiar removed from her by Mara's ritual in the end of the last season, as well as how she used us and tried to hurt us and the City in so many ways, like revealing Crow's past as Uldren Sov to throw seeds of dissent, and how she also manipulated the already paranoid Lakshmi to help her during the attempts to shroud the Last City in eternal darkness and all she may have done while posing as Osiris.
New lights can't even access Savathun's song strike. That strike alone should give all the reasons they need to hate savathun
I mean I've never seen savathun do anything wrong so I don't hate her
@@elitedonut1089 savathun song strike would have been 1 of many examples of the beef we got with her
And let's not forget... Savathun had a hand in CAYDE'S DEATH
That death will never, EVER be forgiven
He wasn't even a character
@@elitedonut1089 and THAT'S how you know this comment was from someone who never played D1
Yea dude wtf
@@elitedonut1089 new light alert!
@@X3H3X i ahvent either but when i played d2 u thought cayde had the best character then.. anyone else in the game
And then later Savathun completely loses her cool after showing her a memory of how manipulated the Hive truly were. Even at that point, she was still doing something that a higher power seemed to have wanted. Note: Do remember that the Traveler did nothing to stop Savathun from bringing it into her Throne World. In short, it likely did want her to send it somewhere safe even if it meant damning the Earth and maybe even the Lucent Brood too. It seems she can't escape being strung along by the will of some higher power, both her and her people. Which likely was the reason why she snapped back so badly.
Yep. And it's also because she was so deep in the lies the Witness fed her, Oryx, and Xivu Arath before their ascension as gods that she just couldn't believe the reality that she, the Hive god of lies and cunning, was just another pawn to something worse.
The Traveller is pretty passive right now and doesn't directly interfere unless it's a threat it thinks the Guardian can't handle or it's seriously pissed off. The Guardian is its "champion", so it probably figured he could stop Savathun.
@@DarkenedEclipse the Traveller dont give a f*ck about humanity he just wants to win the game against the Darkness read the lore
@@ErkanZH It outright says it does.
@@DarkenedEclipse When does the traveler indicate it cares about humanity? Or are you saying something else
He only needed to say one last thing:
"Bitch."
Savathun: "fight run fight..."
Hunters: "you forgot jump"
*meanwhile Titans butt sliding like a dog with worms*
Bungie dev who forgot to add the reply line:...yeah. Speechless.
That bit of darkness that he consumed definitely has helped his self confidence
NGL When I thought I killed her I ran to kill her ghost as a hunter and boy let me tell you I feel so embarrassed when I died 😂
After fully understanding her and her siblings lore I actually feel empathy for her she wasn’t trying to take the light from us she was trying to protect it from the witness…which we failed to do>:(
I think she's gonna come back and this is going to the be the exact reason we end up teaming up with the Hive. All races untied to take down the Witness.
That's one heck of an angle to take, considering that it could have doomed humanity again into another episode like the Red War. And I don't think we could survive for a second time.
Savathun: Understandable, have a good day 👌
It kind of makes me wonder though. When Lightfall does come out, would we have no choice but to let Savathun's ghost resurrect her so we could have Hive allies? I mean were not gonna have a choice.......Right?
The beginning I swear that was a good portion of the player base
When Savathun got ressurected she forgot about her past so she had to use statues and tablets to remember but still doesn't remember all of it. She's probably listening to ghost cry like this 👁👄👁
Tbh destiny is at its best when you can take all the experiences you’ve had and compile them. It sucks bungie has to make the game for all kinds of players because the only way to get the most impact from this is to have been through all those times for the dialogue to even trigger
Poor ghost i can sense that he has ptsd from the great war , crota, the hive , oryx the taken king , the taken and now savathun with the light and his friends deaths
Season of the Witch: “Still want to die Ghost”?
Ghost: “No, I want vengeance”.
Eris, Hive god of Vengence: “gooood. Let the hate flow through you, give into vengeance”!
"I would die before i ever helped the hive!"
Guardian: "You said it Ghost....FRISBEE GO!"
As the hunter with seats with titans because I used to main titan, this scene curing my depression
When u died so much that ur ghost knows how to res way faster.
Boy have i got news for yall now that final shape is out :3
Luzaku my beloved
Just remember for us d1 vets this is the same ghost that went through all the hell with us in destiny 1, all the stuff we saw, it saw them too.
The music is brilliant
Sava probably left the phone and getting some hot pockets.
She is speechless because she's eating hot pockets
The hive is the manifestation of the darkness
I still feel distressed when my ghost said that, I played those occasions and couldn't get the veteran status when beyond the light launched
I feel like we were supposed to be suspended with strand here
think savathun's reaction was more "well, can't blame a gal for trying, anyway - "
aged like fine milk
Technically now we are helping savathun and not the hive
The ghosts darkness was just gleaming there
Ironic. Knowing now, that the Ghosts can hear the Traveler in pain from this current season, it could be, that the Traveler knew Savathun could at least delay the Witness taking the Traveler. But, looking back, this scene also shows, the Light may have chosen Savathun, but that doesn’t mean she deserves a second chance. Eris, now a Hive god, and the Coalition, very well may kill Savathun and eradicate the Hive once the Witness is dealt with. The Hive may have been worthy of the Light, but they weren’t worthy of a second chance. Crow would sooner kill off the Lucent Brood at this point.
Who wants to help me instead?
I forgot how based ghost could be
does this dialogue change if my character is counted as new light? (played D1 but late, maybe too late, 2020)
No, in order for the game to recognize your D1 achievements you had to have played on the same account before D2 Launch. That said, I’m not sure if this dialogue is necessarily veteran, as some non-D1 players CLAIM to have heard it themselves. It’s confusing really
@@khvostov7g-0x17 oh I hope i get this dialogue,
I mean, after all I still ended Oryx, just got late into the saga
Literally BASED GHOST 🤨📸
Continuity is Destiny's best thing
Well said Ghost
I mean...she has a point
Oh yeah the moment our ghost goes full on xenophobia, because a diffrent species got the light from our blessed god the traveler. I hated that and I just wanted to work with Savathun at that moment, because she seems much more competend then our vanguard seems to be. We have seen now that she was right in the first place and freaking stopped the last collaps on her own. So be freaking thankful, because if it wasn't for her you would not be there in the first place. Everyone who say's this a good course of action is just an idiot, so f... you and have a nice day
Savathun at least seemed to have a plan, unlike the Vanguard.
I also remeber the great disaster it was fun
Este video es una joya xD
I like Savathun :)
1:14 your friends were disposable like every other pawn the traveler used. This chess board gets short each day
How was the traveller there
Savathun used a spell to seal the Traveler away from the darkness
@@khvostov7g-0x17 oh but how did the traveller get to the throne world
@@ahsanmajid5434 All I know is that she used a spell to do it. Savathun spent a few months in the last city studying the traveler and its implied that she figured out how cast that spell during that time.
@@khvostov7g-0x17 ok thx one more question who is the witness?
@@ahsanmajid5434 He's the Traveler's sworn enemy. He is the most powerful known wielder of Darkness in the universe, so powerful that he can move entire planets in and out of existence on his own. He controls the pyramid ships, created the Hive, and caused the collapse of humanity. He'll be the main villain of the next 2 expansions, the first one coming this February (Lightfall).
why you still isnt tin d2?
Was this from a destiny 2 only player perspective?
No I’ve played on this character since The Taken King
Funny, I got the dialogue but didn't play the Taken King from D1. Only time I played D1 is the beta.
@@HaloReachGamer520 Oryx is dialogue you always get no matter what. The veteran dialogue depends on if you completed The Dark Below and Last Wish raid.
@@xrstevenson I did only one part of the Last Wish raid which is the first encounter because it was easy, well for me, to understand. Shuro Chi encounter happened to be the closest 2nd my team did but we wiped after the third room in dps. As for the rest, I don't know much about.
@@HaloReachGamer520 yeah you actually have to finish the raid in one sitting for it to count as a completion in the database and frankly that was always a little weird to me but the Boss battle completion determines the dialogue. And i never beat Oryx in Kings Fall or Riven in Last Wish. Too hard for the LFG teams i was joining
Hey spoilers man
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First Variks exploding at Eramis, now Ghost putting Savathun in her place. I love how the last two expansions have had moments where normally timid characters get to snap
Savathun showed character by not trying to get in the last word, unlike Eramis who somehow had something to say even after the flaming that Variks gave to her
Variks isn't timid. He's just a coward.
@@ItzHope1412 No! Releasing Vex put Eliksni lives in danger. Many have already perished. Violet... You are the real coward!
Lol
Now I’m wanting to see either Gunsmith or Ana explode-
Hearing our Ghost, the nerdy, cringiest, happiest ghost cracking jokes. Screaming in anger and pain.
THAT hurt
Oh boy the pain they brought at the end of Final Shape...
@@SALEENS7GTR5 Frrr
@@SALEENS7GTR5yeah. That sucked. I do wish that we had the choice to have cayde-6 as our ghost now. I mean, it is his light. Would love to have him with me on missions.
The veteran dialogue on the bridge was some of the best lines I’ve heard from destiny in a while
Is this veteran dialogue or is there other dialogue? I'm sadly not on my veteran account
@@kerrrobertson3699 no this is definitely veteran dialogue. As far as I understand new light dialogue doesn’t mention as much
@@DJET723 That's pretty cool - had no idea the dialogue was different for different players.
i'm Happy i got to witness this Roast from ghost as a veteran
A year late, but the dialogue you get depends on what your guardian has experienced. For example, Ghost will only mention crota and the great disaster IF you killed him in D1, same for Oryx. @kerrrobertson3699
This would've hit even harder if ghost also mentioned cayde
Did the hive cause that? I don't remember who was pulling the strings
@@dre160 sort of yeah bro as mara stated in the ending of season of the lost she was responsible. savathun played with uldren by sending him to the black garden and he got pricked by some flower there go check byf for more info on that, but before that he was a well respected and kind person but the flower corrupted him more with byf on that. But yeah savathun caused his downfall specially with the dreaming city and its curse
@@saikopomp Savathun didn't send him to the Black Garden, he did that of his own accord. But Savathun did take control of Riven after Oryx died and Riven manipulated Uldren into his atrocities in the Reef and leading us into the Dreaming City, which then lead us to wishing the Dreaming City curse into reality when we tried killing Riven. So Savathun was behind Cayde's death, but it was a means to an end (luring us to the Dreaming City).
@@michaelhenry3234 sorry yeah i was hazy on the info which was why I mentioned byf to do the explanation. But thanks for the correction
That should be another dialogue option if you were a hunter that played during Forsaken
Nolan North Brought his fucking all in the expansion.......... like goddamn he went all in on this performance. To think once upon a time we went from "That wizard came from the moon" to this is a testament on how much Bungie loves this series
I wonder if the Darkness zone was dropped at the _specific_ point that would allow you to jump off like that without losing progress on purpose.
Almost definitely lol
Yes it was. They knew that people would jump for the ghost only to be frozen in place and fall to their deaths
Oh, yeah, it had to be since we know Savathun would want to trick us like that, and how she's also a coward that wouldn't want her Light snuffed out after she gained the power she felt would make her surpass the Witness, Light, and Darkness, while still keeping her true colors from when the Witness tricked her when she was Sathona in order to have the Krill accept the Darkness, and become the Hive.
What I love about Ghost here is he's pointing out how even IF Savathun is one of the Traveler's Chosen, she's a hypocrite because she's spent too much time under the Witness's influence thanks to how she was lied to as Sathona so the Witness could keep the Traveler from gaining powerful allies in the Light, and that she follows the same kind of subterfuge, manipulation, and lies that the Witness has tricked her with in its quest to eliminate *ALL* life in the universe, and how even if she claims to serve the Traveler's "true" interests, she still lied to all those Ghosts she had given to her Knights, Acolytes and Wizards, and we know Fynch saw through her lies which is why he wants to help us, while some of the Ghosts, as we know with Immaru, are *FINE* to serve monsters like the Hive, no matter their tragic circumstances.
Savathun being the hypocrite here is not really true. She is a freaking hero, because guess who stopped the first collapse on her own. She killed Nez, lied to the Witness and hid the Veil. Now tell me at what part is she under the influence here. Because that sounds like all negative points for team Witness. Our Ghost is more of a hypocrite right here. Saying he would never work with someone who is such a cruel monster like the hive. Meanwhile he is best buddy with warlords like Shaxx or guys like us and Saint 14 who killed millions. And the, do you know how many of my ghost friends your species killed-thing, doesn't work because we do the same for the entire campaign. So who is the hypocrite right here?
@@Mia-Bunny we didnt know about the veil at the time
shaxx is no longer a warlord and has redeemed himself, savathun is still up to her old tricks
guys like us? so you think the guardian is a villain?
saint 14 killed enemy combatants in a war we didnt start, he protected his own
if we didnt kill the hive ghosts there risen would kill us, so none of what you said works on any level
@@lord_wyran Thank you! And I even said in my original comment how Savathun may have been one of the Traveler's Chosen by rights, but she still had so much she picked up from the Witness manipulating her, even before she schemed against it, plus she was up to her old tricks as a way to just help herself, which is why I said besides her aims to protect the Traveler from the Witness, even if it meant everything else would burn, she also wanted to keep the Light for herself and the Lucent Hive she created.
@@lord_wyran Oh yeah Shaxx the redeemed Warlord. Have we given Savathun the privilege to redeem herself? I don't think so. For the Saint 14 thing, so its okay to slaughter millions, even children as long as they attacked first? Are you out of your mind? Btw yes Guardians are not really hero's, because hero's don't freaking extinguish other races. We have seen time and time again that our problem solving is literally can we kill it with guns. Season of the haunted shows us real traumatic experience from these characters and we go ahead and shoot it down. If you translate this behavior, it is take a gun and shoot the things that traumatizes you. That is not a good message in the slightest. Or how about season of the splicer, where the community is happy about a death of a mentally ill person. We are not the good guys and thinking so is pretty naive. We play in a dystopian world, that means people like Savathun or Clovis are not the bad guys. We are not good, they are not bad, we should take every opportunity to survive at the end of the day and Savathun was a pretty good chance of survival. If you still think we are the ultimate good in the universe, than please take your sparrow and drive it down a cliff. Only in game, because I don't want you to harm yourself.
@@BryonYoungblood exactly, shes kind of like the opposite of crow. she may be chosen by the light, but her resurrection didnt change her, she only started to change once we exposed the witnesses deceit.
honestly my theory is, the witness knew we would either expose what happened and it hoped that would change savathun over time and bring her to our side, hence why it saved her ghost. OR she would beat us and bring the traveler away to safety and now that shes under its influence she couldnt trap it with her magic or the traveler would just take her light
That sentinel shield toss must've been a freaking mic drop for that Ghost chewing her out.
Damn. I think I just picked up a new layer of respect for the ghost.
Love the shield throw to add to Ghosts speech. Very pointed. Good job.
the perfect punctuation, as if the guardian him/herself ended ghosts declaration by saying "BITCH" in a way we all understand lol
Ghost: I would die before I ever serve the hive!!!
Guardian: God Damn Right!!!
"i would die before every helping the hive"
I think that's gonna come back to bite him in the ass.
It didn't
Weeeeell the hive (including savathun) helped us defeat the witness so idk
@@AlecValli And that’s the difference.
They came to help us, instead of we coming to help them. Lol
Now that I thinking about it, Savathun moved the Traveler into her throne world while Rhulk was still around... Sometimes, I question the Traveler's choices.
the traveler is likely significantly stronger than rhulk. also rhulk was stuck in his pyramid for some reason
@@popycorn3005 Rhulk was stuck because of Savathun and the Wellspring.
@@void-9572 Yep, and her death only weakened the spell that kept Rhulk locked in his Pyramid. We also can't forget she expected to kill us so easily so she could protect the Traveler in her own twisted way _AND_ just so she could keep the Light for herself and her Lucent Brood.
little guy put his whole heart into that line delivery
Yeah, Nolan North _CRUSHED_ it with his delivery of Ghost's anger and pain at Savathun and her believing she and her Ghosts (the ones she and Immaru manipulated to their side most likely due to them being partnerless and wanting to find where they belong, like Fynch) serve the Traveler's "true" intentions.
To be honest, I love how this scene shows that our little Ghost has it's own will, it's own memories, it's own beliefs and perspectives on things. It's not just a pawn of the Traveler, to the point that our own Ghost here is not denying Savathun that the Traveler's will included the Lightbearing Hive, but instead defiantly shouting back that the Hive were murderers and had killed countless allies of ours. He's basically saying he doesn't care if the Traveler chose the Hive because he knows what is right and what the Hive are: warlords and murderers.
Though the hive guardians are like the crow honestly. They don’t have memories savvathun just got to them first.
And some lore does show that the hive guardians aren’t as bad as the regular hive.
For instance a hive titan refused to crush a guardians ghost and his ghost just let him stay dead when the guardian resurrected.
Or a hive guardian that kept on committing suicide every time her ghost tried to revive her .
Her ghost was kinda crazy
In some ways the hive ghosts are worse than their guardians
Warlords and murderers yeah, that sound like all guardians. Truth is a funny thing, isn't it? But hey having a warlord as our crucible vendor and Saint ''I murderd so much fallen, that they tell scary story's about my mass genocide to their children'' 14 as a great hero in our tower, is a great thing. Good that we work with these people and not the hive, because the hive do the same thing, but they are the hive, so thats not good. You know what call that, xenophobia at it's finest.
@@Mia-Bunny While you have extremely valid points re: the innate hypocrisy of the Lightbearers of Earth and some of our most beloved heroes having done things which are best described as "Not against geneva conventions only bc we don't have geneva anymore", the Hive (though not IMO the lucent brood) is quite literally a faction which is a perfect moral evil--the Witness and the shape of the sword logic explicitly exist to commit omnicide against all things which aren't strong enough to defend themselves from getting omnicided. The Sword Logic represents "a universal law of ultimate fascism" and The Hive all exist worshiping that structure--and there isn't a chance of dissent, because The Hive also all have Worms inside them which feed on that conquest and genocide.
The Lucent Brood, though...Savathun no longer has a Worm and has been shown to have worked together with the Traveler since pre-Collapse. The only reason the Guardians are opposed to her is because of bad blood. I'd be shocked if we don't end up in an uneasy alliance with the Brood to take down the Witness for the exact points you're making: Savathun's Lucent Brood is a faction of the Hive which uniquely DOESN'T exist within a Perfect Moral Evil framework. It very much IS more complex than that with them.
@@onewaysaintlaika I agree with you, the normal hive are evil because of your exactly what you are saying. The story of witchqueen was good, don't get me wrong, but the reaction of our faction is so anoying. It was like we want to do a second inquisition, where I just wanted to have dialogue options. I would have loved to work with Savathun, the possiblity's where this could take us are endless. I just hated to kill her and I let myself get killed at the end just to let her stay alive a little more.
All main enemy deaths (2014-2022)
Taniks-Guardian
Aksis-Guardian
The Sol Progeny-Guardian
Omnigul-Guardian
Crota-Guardian
Oryx-Guardian
Consul-Ghaul
Ghaul- Guardian then traveler
Panoptes-Guardian
Xol-Guardian
The Rider-Guardian
The Mad Bomber-Guardian
The Machinist-Guardian
The Rifleman-Guardian
The Hangman-Guardian
The Mindbender-Guardian
The Trickster-Guardian
The Fanatic-Guardian
Uldren-Petra
Omnigul's Nightmare-Guardian
Taniks' Nightmare-Guardian
Ghaul's Nightmare-Guardian
Fanatic's Nightmare-Guardian
Crota's Nightmare-Guardian
Phylaks-Guardian
Praksis-Guardian
Eramis-Guardian
Kridis-Guardian
Atraks-1-Guardian
Taniks-Guardian
Savathun-Guardian
Enemies that may still be alive:
Eramis
Savathun
Oryx
Uldren
Calus
Taniks
I’d put the Sol Progeny onto the list
Thx btw
Aksis that didn't got mentiont: time to pull a taniks move, tbh its sad for how less siva is still being mentiont off in d2, it feels like it was all filler, not even from mithrax since aksis was probably the only splicer that did achieve god hood
@@blerick1606 yh
It's just embarrassing for the destiny community to not mention SIVA and aksis a lot
I don't feel like Taniks belongs in the "May still be alive" category. We all know he IS still alive.
i thought it was, the ghost leaving savathun's side and thus making her ghostless and you being speechless. Man was I wrong
*anything happens*
*Titan throws shield*
"damn tbh he kinda has a point"
Well spoken ghost well spoken
Who also jump off to get that ghost
I would help the hive for 500 silver ngl
Savathun: fair enough
Strange, I don't remember him saying anything about Crota or the dreaming city on my playthrough
Have you beaten The Dark Below and Forsaken campaigns? Also how fast were you going on the bridge? These could be reasons why
@@khvostov7g-0x17 I've beaten the forsaken campaign, but not the dark below
@@thegungeoneer9299 Maybe it was your speed, I walked the two times I did this and I had the same dialogue
Typical Veteran Dialogue bugging I'm afraid. This stuff happens all the time, idk why.
@@khvostov7g-0x17 This dialogue appeared for me and I hadn't beaten either campaigns when I played it. Was confusing since the game doesn't put any effort in explaining who these people are.
That shield throw as a toss in of "yeah, what he said!"
Next season: so we're helping the hive
Literally I hope this piece of dialogue is brought up
I had to replay that "nO conCESSIONS?!" a good few times
Riven and Xivu Arath plagued the dreaming city and filled it with taken
Oryx destroyed the awoken (except Uldren, Mara and the Techeuns)
i like how he mentions crota a lot of ppl forget that the reason crota was even here was because savathun sabotaged him when he was creating his oversoul, pretty much every single bad thing that has ever happened to destiny up to beyond light was savathun fault, even the red war, if crota was never here, oryx wouldnt come here either, the cabal wouldnt try to attack and they wouldnt send a message directly to the empire
And in turn, Crota's attempt to return to life in The Dark Below is what led us to go after him in the Hellmouth on the Moon, killing him in the end of "Crota's End", which would lead Oryx to Sol, seeking his vengeance as well as changing the game figuratively and literally when he unleashed the Dreadnaught as well as the Taken on us. Even with Savathun's intentions, she still played perfectly into the Witness's hands by doing what she did to Crota as well as Oryx. All while she wanted to be free of the Sword Logic of the Hive and gain power to surpass the Witness. You nailed it for sure, and it's ironic how Savathun failed to see it.
man our ghost been through a lot, damn
Meanwhile my warlock that has always wanted to be a Hive wizard since D1: “Well hold on now, let’s not be too rash”
Same vibe as Diplomat telling Crimson 1 to Shut up.
Project wingman reference
when he started his little speech i threw my tiny hammer at savathuns visage and started sprinting, real crayon eater shit a lot of you wouldn’t get
Damn the ghost went savage in this scene
Threadbound debuff... Threadcutter buff... Sources are right. This is when we should have gotten strand. If only the story hadn't been hacked up into separate pieces...
Honestly I was ready to join the Hive and then my ghost started but bitching and I just had to sit there like 👁️👄👁️
savathun: "okay maybe we make deal now?"
ghost "REEEEEEEEEE FRINDSHIP REEEEEEEEEEE VENGEANCE"
I hate how ghost went from this, being an absolute badass, to being so fucking timid.
That's my boy
"Threadbound".... yeh strand was definitely meant for this expansion
I also like to point out the ghost forgot to bring up the fact that her machinations got Cayde killed
Really wish our Guardian had been the one to say this. Felt dumb that we were just silent.
My reaction when I first saw this was "since when did my ghost become mega racist"
Ghost is officially a gigachad 💪
Remember when we had an engaging and entertaining final boss fight 😞
I’m not sure what Savathun was trying to accomplish by talking to the Guardian and his ghost. Her family has literally made life hell for them and their friends. Why would she think they would side with her at all?
Because we began killing her family and friends before? I mean all the problems we have with the hive came essentially from killing Crota. Savathun is pretty reasonable here, I mean she plays her cards right and wants help against a much bigger bad guy. Until that point we didn't even know about the Witness. She goes her own way of helping us and wants to help us and even has a plan. Do we have a plan against the Witness? I don't think we do, except just point a gun at its head and shoot. I would side with Savathun on this one.
@@Mia-Bunny Crota and his brood were the aggressors. They were the ones that came to Sol looking for a fight and they got their butts kicked for it. I don’t think humanity can be blamed for shooting back after what he did. Every time the Hive come to Sol it’s almost always to try and kill humanity off. I don’t think humanity can be blamed for killing Savathun’s family off when they came to Sol to try and force that fate onto them.
Apologies here comes my rant. Sure in current lore we the players know what Savathun did for the “greater good” but the Guardians don’t really know that at this point. Plus they don’t have much reason to trust her(I personally still don’t even after knowing what she did). Her family has been attacking humanity for centuries for no good reason. This is also literally after she possessed Osiris and held him hostage over our heads. She just did what she did and expected us to be fine with it? No that’s stupid.
I can never take this voice actor seriously---