For those of you looking to take commissions more safely with terms and conditions that protect the finished work from AI modification, check out Artistree! It’s what I use, and it provides at least a little bit of legal protection from this scam: artistree.io
Thanks for sharing with us, I've been using Upwork for years with relative success but they have become increasingly greedy with their fees and "connects". First I've heard of Artisttree, sounds good, I'll give this one a try :) thanks again!
Back in 2016-2018 I went through 8 artists trying to get someone to do characters on the level of fruit of grisalia. So generic quality character. The problem was every artist I came across online at the time tried to charge 400-1000+ line art. Meaning a full drawing illustration without multiple emotions, multiple poses or outfits would be around 3-6k for simple visual novel illustration for again generic art. I at the time as simple programmer who knew no better about how much art costed when making a game. I agreed to hourly, took prices at face value and was forced to abandon my project. eventually abandoned the project after sinking thousands of dollars and only receiving concept and little to 0 full complete characters. After that experience where i was stupid enough to pay for expensive line art and I mean not clean line art when I actually wanted a full illustration. I find myself now on board with AI after all the exploitation as it just makes business sense and it frankly easier to budget for programmer and other disciplines then is for an artist. but that's just my experience. See all price sheets where busts are going for 60, 30, 80 now is more than just a little frustrating.
@@BladorageSooo you're on board with AI because you didn't find good artists to pay for? That's like a teenage girl going to Twitter exclaiming that all men are bad because 3 of her dates went bad.
Imagine paying an artist you like for a sketch with the intention to finalize it with AI! My first experience with getting an artwork from someone: It was not a commission, but a social media "6 fan arts challenge" with fictional couples. I previously made an artwork for this person (their OC) for a request and asked if I can have one from them and I ended up receiving an artwork of my 2 favorite characters together from a certain fandom. It was in 2021 and I still have it as my desktop wallpaper and I look at it every day. I absolutely love this work and I wouldn't change a single thing. If someone made me an AI model that could 100% replicate the original's style and could make me any image I wanted so I'll have a different picture for every time I look at it, I wouldn't care about it. That one image was made for me, by someone I consider to be an art friend. There's nothing more precious for me than that. I know that there are people who don't care about art at all, they just want to look at some eye candy, and it's okay, but if you have someone who you like so much that you want to pay for a sketch from them.. how is it possible that you'd appreciate an AI image of that over the original?
Let me share my experience... I'm a freelance artist who has completed over 60 commissioned pieces since last year. I encourage you not to let AI "art" or whatever stop you from pursuing art as a career if it brings you joy and fulfillment. The commission process isn't just about art; on the contrary, it's about the entire experience you deliver to your client that will make you successful. Now more than ever, the better you become at treating your clients well and building a professional relationship, no "AI-bro" is going to take your job. The process of understanding your client's needs, the creativity, and the communication surrounding your client's ideas that make them go, "oh damn, this is EXACTLY what I wanted or even better actually"; this is what makes you unique as an artist and why people want to commission YOUR experience. Yes, at some point, it's not even about art; it's about the experience you provide. That's why most of your commission work comes from clients you have already worked with before. So my point is: Focus on improving your skills; learn basic communication skills and how to get clients; learn marketing skills; avoid looking for AI news (this helped me tremendously with motivation); focus on what you can do NOW and ask yourself if making art is something you're willing to dedicate your time to. I wish you good luck on your art path. I've been struggling, and I don't want to see people give up on art. We're all in this together, after all! ✨
60 comissions....Holy...moley! I wishbI had that drive and focus! At best I may pull out 5 or tops 8 per year.....because I can't focus well and dedicate myself enough to it, as much as I actually wants to!
@@Linnzy, I've gone through the exact same struggle! In my experience, the most important thing is to take the first step. Post your work on platforms you feel comfortable with, then you're gonna start figuring out the niche you're passionate about and start getting comms and building your list of clients. Consistency is vital in the beginning. I suffer from a lack of motivation and energy, but once you get your first step and keep having consistency, I'm sure you'll do great!! Obs.: If you suffer from a severe lack of focus, it might be worth looking for professional help to ensure there isn't no underlying cause such as ADHD.
The experience of the client, is buying the work and putting it on their wall. It's not about the clients experience in the least. It's about whether or not the piece is worth the cost.
@@Thesamurai1999 It's not that hard really. As long as you put that in your commission info so they know to expect full pay up front, it's fine. It helps to have a good portfolio and activity/presence on social media to make you look legit and credible tho.
@@dhabitahpunk I also had clients, who paid up front and they were fine with it. However, I can understand, that they fear to get scammed, which is why I regularly send out screenshots of the commission. Either when they ask for them or on my own. What I worry more about is: what if they want a refund after the sketch? You corrected it... let's say twice (or once, whatever is in your commission info about free changes) and they say "I don't like it and want my money back". Then what? That's what I keep thinking about since yesterday.
@@mitsu184 This depends. Some artists would make them pay for the hours the artist has spent doing the sketch by hour and the artist will pay the rest back. Usually this isn't really the case tho. Most people asking for a commission should already know how the artist's style and capability is before commissioning. And I also think the artist should be honest whether they can take up the project. There have been times where I feel like the work is a bit too much for me and beyond what I'm comfortable with so I just politely tell them I don't have confidence to take up the project.
It's so sad, how a tool like AI, which could have been a great thing for things like refrencing, has been reduced to such a harmful tool. I personally have used it to generate refrences for when I have art block.
While it can be great for ideas, never use it as a reference, if you want references, break down what you want to draw and look those up individually, it will make sure you don't copy the AI's mistakes.
I was using it for ref too, but only for composition or colour/lighting. Anatomy is a bit broken so even for a reference it's easier to find a website that has a poser like Design doll to see the correct proportions.
Seriously. I've said for months now that if people start blatantly ripping off companies like Disney and using AI to replicate their characters and styles, AI would be shut down basically overnight.
People that keeps saying AI is great and "doesn't understand people that criticize it" are just yet to be the ones seeing their own job or passion threatened by despicable people using such technology that only want the profitable parts of it. I already see programmers saying that chatGPT mostly makes terrible, flawed coding. Yet when they hear artists saying the same of generated contents they just look at them confused. Experts of the job will notice the flaws, but everybody else will just laugh at them and be call them anti-progress. Eventually everyone will face this.
@@Smytjf11 I think it's insane that automation is seen as a bad thing, though I totally see why. Theoretically, no one would HAVE to work. It would be their choice, when, where, how, because no one needs it. But everyone knows that as things are, automation wouldn't have the happy ending it objectively should.
I've been an artist my whole life and will continue to be, and I'm extremely pro-AI art. I'm willing to have a good-faith debate with anyone willing to listen. Just shoot me a reply.
The people who will not lose their jobs to AI will be the people who are the most skilled at their craft and the people who will be able to incorporate the use of AI to benefit their already existing skills. AI is here to stay and it's best to get comfortable finding ways to use it now so you are ahead of those who refuse to budge.
AI art is partly the reason I decided to focus on a webcomic instead of my usual fanart digital paintings. AI can't really do lesser known OCs and keep their designs accurate from panel to panel. It also can't tell a good story. I mean, CHATGPT can write stuff, but it's not necessarily anything that's fulfilling as true literature.
A scary thought is getting a commission and before you finish it they cancel the order after receiving the wip that’s meant for proof of work or for corrections and then using AI to finish it.
I mostly draw for fun with a bit of processional work on the side, but AI art makes me feel depressed since I hear a lot of people that think Ai is all you'll ever need from now on. It would be supremely sad if future artists never take the effort to learn drawing because Ai art is easy, even if it mostly looks samey already.
why are ai bros even bothering artists? like are they resentful against people that do art? like they can also do art.. frankly, if.. they had no electricity would they even be able to use those programs at all? likely not.. time to return to traditional art.. ig..
I feel The AI builders "Oh no, it isn't using the original art, it just learned from it like a person, so its all ok" very vacuous. They never asked permission or compensated artists to download all of a persons art into your AI's "training pool". They moderated the data sets they were training it up with to imitate certain styles, directly competing with the actual artists. They are asking money for generating the images. Images that would be impossible without training the AI on stolen art.
Artists learn from the work of other artists. It's no different. I highly doubt when artists are perfecting their craft and experimenting with the styles and techniques of other artists that they asked permission first. Do you ask for permission to use someone else's work as a piece of inspiration? Hell no. You artists have to stop your whining and adapt to the changing world or suffer the consequences.
@@BASED.88 I think the main difference you fail to realize is that normal artists don't automatically become good at a style when they take inspiration from someone else, they still have to practice improving that style which may take months or even years. while people who use ai art just need to use someone else's image or just type in a prompt, barely any skill involved. You complain about artists "whining" because you're not in the same position, you probably will be doing the same if your job/passion is threatened by automation. this is coming from a non-artist.
@@apuppetandacookie8200 I understand that… but what you fail to realize is that it doesn’t matter. What matters is the end product and the cost it took to get there. You’re right, though. I’m not in that field anymore because I grew up and switched into a career with JOB SECURITY. Something that is and always will be valuable to society. I went through art school when I was young and dumb. I was even fairly talented… but I knew it was a dumb line of work to get into and you people drove me insane with how much you thought of yourselves as special and with the constant holier than thou circle jerks students participated in. AI will improve and replace jobs like storyboarding, concept art, and even script writing. Why have 10 artists to perform a task when you can have 1 artist that knows how to use AI and can instead perform quality control of the work the AI replaced?
@@BASED.88 wow, not only you ignore the fact I said I'm not a artist, you are no better than the people you criticizing for having a superiority complex. The main problem with your viewpoint is that you value efficiency over ethics. Which usually wouldn't be as bad as it is except for the fact that this is art we're talking about. Art has been around since mankind, the whole point of it is for people to express themselves and anyone can access it if they put the work and effort into it. while ai "artists" just need to type in a prompt or use a reference image, no creativity and barely puts any work into it. Not only it would be harmful for existing artists but also for people who want to get into the field. It's hard to grow in the industry or show your skills if art spaces and jobs are filled with effortless ai art made by people who barely put the work in. If ai does replace people's jobs then multiple companies of multiple industries such as gaming and film will have less creativity and go for a more corporate greed route of pumping out products that has not meaning or thought behind it, which is already a problem but ai will just accelerate it and make it more apparent. Now here's an analogy for my point: Society has invented a way for a mechanical brain to be planted into someones body. It's a lot more efficient not only in memory storage but also in learning capabilities, the catch is that you lose emotions and your humanity. What if a country decided to make a law to make it mandatory to install that mechanical brain into every citizen. Will it be efficient? Maybe. Is it ethical? Hell no.
@@apuppetandacookie8200 I thought you were referring to my opinion as coming from the non-artist when I first read your comment. No superiority complex here; I’m just saying I didn’t risk a big thing like career on something risky that should be a hobby. Everything you posted doesn’t matter. Why does there have to be effort or talent or even a lot of work put into something to call it artwork when we are only a few years away from replicating all of that in an instant? What makes choosing human artwork over ai artwork more ethical? I’ve taken classes on ethics and I’m not seeing it…the only people really saying it’s unethical are the people who’s jobs are now dated and take offence that their work has now been devalued. That’s progress though. Should we not have advanced our phone technology to keep the line operators working? The point being: a lot of jobs will disappear, but new jobs in the same industry will pop up. You won’t need as many artists, but you’ll need programmers and head artists for quality control. Human talents will still be needed, but it will look different than it once was. The best course of action is to adapt to the changing environment. Hollywood and the music industry fought the rise of internet downloads and streaming and suffered for it until they finally embraced the change. I don’t know what to say to your analogy because it kinda sucks. You’re comparing turning humans into robots with an ai tool that has been made available to humans. Sure, the AI doesn’t have emotions put into it’s work, but that doesn’t mean we can see a piece of AI artwork and find our own meaning in it.
I'd say it's AI generated content in general. I don't know if you have noticed it but overall quality of web search has already been degrading over the past 5 years or so. Now with ai we have an ultimate spam machine and if it keeps going on like this i won't be surprised if we will eventually have to return to web 1.0 style of internet with static pages, cursed css, webrings and banners with inks to your besties
@@devinsauls9137 Hey hey hey, it's kind of a good idea, no? Webrings: Great way to build your own networks and connections. Static pages: Zero bloat code to drag the site performance down to oblivion. Cursed stylesheets: This wouldn't happen. Banners: You see these every day as ads, not as a friendly link to partner/friend/etc page (and those banners were better looking anyway back in the day).
AI art is so demoralizing, its like a force that no matter how hard you try you just can’t stop it. The thing about AI art specifically is there is ways to use it well, but a good portion who use it don’t use it with care. I’m mostly just disappointed in the people trying to actively get rid of the ways artists have found to avoid their work being fed into AI to completely copy their work
It's amazing how far out of their way people will actually go to avoid doing any real work. Take pride in the fact that you are actually learning the true skills for creation while they learn nothing. Eventually there may come a time where they find their lack of ability becomes an unscalable wall. If you practiced and learned the skills, you don't need AI just like you don't need fast food if you learned how to cook for yourself. And if you keep practicing you will keep improving.
Don't be demoralized. Nothing can steal the joy of creation for creation's sake. Yes, we're entering an age where "digital artist" isn't as profitable of a career. That's just how things go. Plenty of old jobs aren't profitable anymore. Art is entering the realm of being a hobby, not a job, but is that so bad? The massive majority of us already can't make serious money with our hobbies. We still enjoy life. If you're truly passionate about art, the AI revolution may be the best thing to happen to art. Art will be made for the pure passion of expression, not profit. Only those truly dedicated to creation will take Art seriously. Art, as a whole, will become more raw and personal, less complicated by profit. AI generated images are here to stay. That doesn't have to be the end of the world.
@@McJorneilit’s just a tool. And for those who unfortunately cannot create (disability that prevents them to for exemple), at least they have a modicum of what’s it’s like to see something coming from their imagination
As a marvel fan and artist: when i watched the first secret invasion episode, i immediately searched up if the intro is ai generated, and i was pretty upset when i found out it was. Imo, the idea behind it is cool, but doing it during a time where ai art is negatively affecting artists is pretty douche bag-y.
And a ray of sunshine in this gloom and doom video, Valve put a hammer down on games that utilized ai for creating game assets for their games on Steam.
1. make sure to use glaze 2. accept all full payments up front 3. stop selling sketches and start selling full drawings 4. update your commission sheets to say that you will only do full drawings and not sketches. 5. remember you have the right to refuse service
here's a shred of hope for anyone that needs it: AI "art" being used to train an AI can corrupt it, and there's already so much of it out there, without having people go through every single image to check if it's AI or not, it can get into a dataset. maybe it will end up cannibalizing itself. maybe. either way, props to you, Celestia, for going out of your way to look for these news so we don't have to. I am afraid to look them up myself (because I might end up losing even more hope I don't have) unless it's your video.
I have heard that AI image generators, or at least some of them, put a mark into their images, not visible to the human eye, so that they can tell AI-generated images from human art, and they stock among their source images only human-made ones. I have heard only one person talking about this, and I am not even sure if I understood correctly how it works, but if what I just wrote is correct, I hope that this method is not wide-spread.
My stance on AI is that if it is trained on copyrighted materials (that the AI trainer doesn't own) or art used without consent, than it shouldn't be used at any stage in a commercial manner. Not even for concept art or prototyping. AI works should not be copyrightable, because they were not created through human authorship. To copyright something, it must be made by a human. AI isn't a human, therefore the works it creates cannot be protected by copyright. If you take an AI work and have a human edit it, only the parts that the human changed can be copyrighted, not the whole of the work. This is good because companies will still need to hire actual artists if they don't want it to become legal to pirate their stuff and let their competitors sell it too. Though I don't see anything wrong with using copyrighted works or art used without artist's consent if it is only for personal use. Just don't go around posting it online, because that's not personal use anymore is it?? If you want a cute anime girl profile pic, hire an artist, make it yourself, or just go find something on the internet. There will always be a market for human made art, even if it gets smaller due to AI. It's special because of the years of effort and dedication that went into honing the craft and the story and person behind it. No one cares about AI recreations of the Mona Lisa or Starry Night, but people pay big money to be in the same room as them even though they have seen photos of them already. Besides, as someone who is learning art, AI can't take away the simple pleasure of putting (apple) pencil to (screen) paper.
Truth, esp. "AI can never take away the simple pleasure of putting the (apple) pencil to (screen) paper." I still make digital art for myself, and I still think about going to college to study art again, I just don't know if there's still a future for it and I'm scare of posting art now (first NFT bros, now AI bro. Can't catch a break🫠).
Just like when it comes to democracy, there is no "both sides" to the matter, so PLEASE be biased when it comes to AI abuse! You, as a creator, have every right to be. Thank you for the video. We shall remain ever vigilant.
What I find astounding is OTHER ARTISTS are actually getting pissed for any artists being strongly against AI art. How does that make sense?? It's like as if other artists want to lose business..
@@reddragon6480I don’t consider those people artists. If they were, they’d be furious at this technology being used now to exploit real human-made art.
The age of good news is over. It's just all down hill from here as we're forced into tedious cubicle jobs while machines make our evening distractions.
I'm so glad you covered firefly, I know you briefly glanced over it last time, but I'm so so glad you revisited to the abuse of those poor stock artists...!
@9:09 doesn't matter what a contract says, the artists/photographers have a ligitimate case to bring as AI was not part of the conversation when they has that TOS of a contract. If the current AI lawsuits prevail, they will have a basis to go off of, not only that but the if a contract is overtly predatory a judge can have discretion to toss out that contract.
Might not be the best way to go about it, but theoretically (so long as it's not a sketch commission and just a WIP) you could take a slightly angled pic from a slight distance on your phone of the sketch on your screen. Might make it harder to get it through the AI program, especially if you glaze and watermark that photo after taking it.
Good idea. They can’t say that you didn’t do it cuz it’s already your image and it’s your actual workstation in the pic. The glaze is just the icing to this cake.
This is about what I expected. I am surprised some artists are still getting commissions at all though. I haven't gotten any, and I dont know anyone who has gotten one since last year before AI started to blow up. Even on shops like etsy the AI commissions are the ones at the top. What's really baffling, is that they're generally more expensive or maybe ~10 cheaper than an artist. So people are just buying into AI and not supporting artists for no apparent reason.
Produce better artwork? I'm not throwing support behind a piece of artwork just because it was made by a human. I am paying for the product I like the best.
@@BASED.88 I hope you get replaced by AI and end up homeless. Obviously the assumption is that they're of relative quality, with AI being noticeably worse, since it always is worse. Thanks for being everything wrong with the world.
This is the reason why I don't sell the option of sketches or line art. Always full payment up-front and all the previews are small ( I work with 6000px but I send a preview of 400px with some zooms to certain important areas ).
I mean game companies have threatened to replace their employees (including their artists) with AI if the employees don't want to work, I think it was either Bethesda or Blizzard that caught their employees using AI programs such as ChatGPT. In all honesty, if they get fired, then they shouldn't have to wonder if they get fired, and in all honesty, I wouldn't even be disappointed, the art and character design for Blizzard and Bethesda before those threats even came out, and before AI blew up last year were pretty terrible.
Honestly, the whole shitshow with AI is the reason I decided to stay a traditional artist... I feel incredibly sorry for all digital artists, but at least I have the sad reaffirmance that my work won't be as easily gobbled up and absuded by AI bros...
@@mr.jultra4720 My feeling is that we are only scratching the surface when it comes to capabilities... but, and this goes out to Minulf too, as an AI bro, I do not value AI generations at all. They're nice to look at but what y'all can do is actually worth something.
Charge 1000$ for a sketch if you feel this may happen to you. Easy. But in all seriousness, don't let this demoralize you. You will always be more valuable than anything that's mass produced.
I’ve been doing art for years, but I’m very new to using it for profit- this is pretty scary for me. I plan on doing illustration commissions as a permanent livelihood, and AI may just wreck any chances I have to grow. Great.
Commissions wasn't ever doable as a livelihood even before AI, you will have to find a job. Sadly AI will also impact jobs tho, how hard depends on how this gets legislated in the coming future.
In situations like there, there is something I call "decaying period". I am sure there is a better name. Basically, there is a systematic attack on community which can result in some heavy damage to the industry. We can try to slow down the damage, or we can shift/increase the damage to force big players like disney, nintendo to get heavy profit loss. How? Remember that shirt selling event? When bots were stealing so many artwork from twitter? We can use AI models to train and create animations in disney form that "goes against their political stance", "steals potential profit they could make", and "reduces the value disney's animations and prestige could have". So to protect their profit margin, to fight agaisnt this blatant copyright dodge and protect disney's political stance for shareholders, entire company will go after AI art community and do their best to break it down. Like, seriously. If there was this surplus of disney style animations keep rising and rising with absolutely free while stealing disney's character designs and ideas, this big monster of a company will start fighting against AI. I saw many videos where people used dance videos as reference and apply AI models to create AI animations and AI girls. If the same thing starts against disney in a big movement, then all these issues art community suffers, will become less of a threat. In this context, we "shift" the decaying period to big corporations with power to either make them act on it, or make them lose profit. If they don't do anything, situation will continue as it is. If they do something, situation will definetely get better for art community in general. Either way, independant artists has nothing to lose.
@@McJorneil If the movement becomes big enough, going after individuals will be too time consuming and as long as core models and metods stays, new people can join. It is only about size of the movement. If sufficiently big group tries this, disney would at least make a stronger and better version of that Glaze software.
Thanks for the news, even if they are bad. While waiting for better news, it's nice that artists stay updated and stick together and support each other. Especially since the coming of AI is revealing that a lot of people seem to really dislike artists and art and try to get rid of them
That defense of not hiring artists for the Secret Invasion intro is hilarious. "Well yes, we did use child slaves, but it was an artistic choice made because the show is about child slavery." "You see, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is all about a team coming apart, which is why we dissolved our art team." "The Hulk has, at its core, the question of how a monster rampaging around society destroying livelihoods would affect things. To reflect this we have-"
A lot of Ai art is like trying to shape a cloud with blowing each piece into place and triea to be the most attractive flower so that the (bee as the users choose that flower) while human art you can go down to the specifics of what you want and recreate simular versions of the images simular to comics, pannels and clothing...
it's crazy to think Japan of all places is ok with the ai. as crazy as they are about prosecuting and shutting down copyright infringement why are they allowing ai developers the free reigns.?
There's also Nightshade now too. It poisons AI datasets with incorrect data (like saying an image of a dog is a cat) and it seemingly can't be removed (at least not yet)
As an artist, the grift existed before ai art, that's not news, grifter gonna grift, that's what they are out to do. Ai is the new outsource to cheaper country, now it is the norm and people have forgotten how gut wrenching that was at the beginning. Same debate with digital art, when they would outsource the finish to freshly minted beginners artist using computer, because so little early adopter was trained artist. How did we adapted? We raise the cost of .non digital art, made them more unique and in depth, AND we also did less finish worked, but a did a whole more lot of them since it's quicker, with marginal price increase, doing it in more depth, before it was formalized as just a step in the pipeline. Do the ai grift will evolve as this, raise the cost of the starting works, spend more depth care on that, let people whatever rendering ai engine to finish it, do more of works since it remove labor out of the process.
I'm trying to ignore AI art and just do my thing because it is going to happen regardless of what I want but it is so invasive, I'll be searching for references for art or just looking for art in general and the search results are absolutely full of shit AI images making it hard for me to see what I need, the fact that they can produce them so quickly makes it hard to compete with as mass amounts of low quality content are just auto uploaded to our tags.
We're in this weird transitional phase in all this. AI isn't going away but in the end, in a human society with human wants, feelings and taste it will be the human product a human wants. AI quality is all starting to look the same honestly, it's like the same Art Director is making everything
i don't care about ai simply because there are things impossible to explain in words in a prompt and the ai is bad at generating anything there isn't a lot of art of on the internet. and the fact it can't be a hobby if you just click a button and instantly get art that's like cheating in a game to beat it right away. People just want to make a quick buck with this by selling art that the ai has likely plagrized from somewhere else. i'be messed with ai and theres a lot of water marks in the art work if it wasn't stealing those would not be there.
AI is no match for Human Stupidity! During the dark times of early 2020's I played with craiyon I put "cute vulpix beach" and it looked kinda close you can see the tails and "curled hair" but I tested it now 2023 and it just looks like a "royalty free" redpanda that you can find on a bootleg t shirt so its proof that AI is just stealing and editing random art and not "referencing" or "learning" from it. I feel Nintendo or the Pokemon Company got wind of this and they enforced their copyright (which may or may not involve a katana). AI or machine learning is an oxymoron it can't make images out of thin air it needs a database to generate images (in our case art made by humans) and if we can cut of its resource then it will only make low quality pictures and "AI art" will surely fade out like other scams. AI generators are like an OS and their database is like System32 so when you delete the folder Sytem32 it will cease to function try it now on your PC.
i realized i cannot enjoy ai images. They seem dull prob bcs i don't see the intent? They seem like random colors forming a random image. I also enjoy comparing artists and art styles, so... yea AI images suck 8:27 they are a scam, 100% deceitful
HAHAHA. You're in for a rude awakening when you'll eventually have to supplement your income by working shifts at walmart because your artwork is not up to snuff to compete with software. You are only going to do yourself more harm by not budging on this. Your best bet is to continue to master your craft and learn how to incorporate AI into your work. Work with it and not against it... because its here to stay.
@@BASED.88people will eventually get bored of typing words on a screen. also no one will pay you for an ai generated image 😂😂 that's like paying someone to use a calculator
@@hello-vo3tr except people are already buying AI generated artwork that’s printed on clothing, mugs, canvas, decorations… there are people in this very comment section whining about how AI is outcompeting them in marketplaces like Etsy. It’s only going to get worse too because AI is rapidly improving in quality.
@@BASED.88 ohh I thoight you meant digital pieces not physical materials... anyhow, most people buy that stuff because they are unaware it's AI. Trust me no one will buy something with little value and effort for money.... + I've seen many people shy away from printed AI stuff.. soo like.....
@@hello-vo3tr I will buy whatever product I think is better or more aesthetic. People want value for their money so your artwork should either be better than AI or cheaper… only a select few will buy on principle hence why AI content is beating out artists right now. And like I said, the quality of AI is skyrocketing. If the leaps it made in just 6 months is any indication, the quality will be indistinguishable from humans in a couple years. I expect storyboard artists to lose work, draft artists, concept artists… the people who will retain their jobs will be those who learn how to adapt and use the new AI tools with their artistic ability. You will essentially lose the workforce but keep the supervisors who maintain quality control. It all comes down to money and how marketable your talents really are.
I've done freelance artwork for many years, mainly enjoy drawing graphic novel type stuff. I've come to the conclusion it's pointless to be mad about AI art, and although there's things like glaze being developed who knows how long, if ever it will be a tool that 100% stops people from using your art to train AI. At this point I've decided to add stable diffusion into my work flow, I'm not just using the text to image however, I'm using img to im g, inpainting nd other such tools since I can draw in more of what I want into the image vs relying on the ai to compose an image for me, which in most cases it's not all that great, from my results anyway. That aside, I don't think it's necessary to learn the tool to "keep up" or use it at all. A lot of artists suffer from not knowing how to market themselves, if you learn how to market yourself and can provide something of value there will always be potential customers. I may use AI to help me depending on what work needs to be done, however I will always enjoy drawing my personal things by hand as well as offering commissions made without the use of AI, I'm considering going back more into traditional art since now there are lots of people now that think all digital art is made with the press of a button...I showed someone my portfolio and they said "oh you made that by just typing and pressing buttons". Use your energy to learn how to market yourself, be relevant and adapt to the way the world is now instead of being upset and complaining. I believe those will be the deciding factors between those who will be able to succeed or not in this industry now.
Hey I notice you talk a lot about AI art. Can you bring light and talk about AI voice and AI voice covers using celebs and voice actors voices without permission and the harm behind it. Its becoming more normalized recently and is affecting a lot of Voice actors and a ton of boundaries are being broken. Thank you love your videos!
i dont think ai will take over artists jobs. the stuff the ai makes is ugly, it takes way more than just a few fixes to make it look good. might as well just draw an entirely new piece right? personally, ill always prefer real art.
AI is the reason why I stopped taking commission and posting my latest work, I just hate inconsiderate people who casually steal someones work and upload it to ai library, and you can do nothing about it! Literally just yesterday someone on my discord group chat posted their work and this other person casually reposting their work (exact copy but ai generated) and says "it took that person hours, but it only took me a second..." that person even felt proud of themselves, it make me sick
An amateur prompt engineer here: I think this requires a new legal framework. I could easily imagine an artist designing a character and selling or licensing the entire LORA model instead of single artwork. But since AI images aren't covered by copyright, this is a no-go in many jurisdictions.
on facebook i got banned in one group bcs i called out personfor selling ai art and scaming people, im trully scared for art community in this time, mostly for artists
Just when I was thinking about doing commissions when my art was better, this happens🥲What's the point in trying to improve my art to make a living for myself when AI shart is just going to take away every opportunity? I'll keep improving but with this news, I feel like giving up completely.
Thanks for presenting this in a mature way! The direction AI Art has gone makes me upset for slightly different reasons. I’ve been using AI Art for art therapy for almost a year and a half now and it helped me SO MUCH with my trauma recovery and mental health until it became controversial so i’ve been using it less and less the last 6 months. I don’t sell my AI Art or want any harm to come to artists. I’ve experienced so much good from AI Art but it’s difficult to be happy about it when members of my community are using it to harm the very people who made it possible. Now i just feel conflicted and depressed. Hopefully we can figure out a solution 🙏
@@awwoo-56709 Thanks for asking! There are a few ways. One is by using AI to create an image that is symbolic of something you went through or going through. For example a creature all twisted with a pained face can symbolise my condition (EDS) that causes me extreme pain. I can also use it to create something creepy and then put it through AI to make it pretty symbolising making a bad condition better. 3rd is that it’s a great way to create what i would want to draw. I used to be an artist but it’s extremely painful for me to draw. AI helps me create what i want to create in a way that is both convenient and painless. I did push myself through the pain for a few months and drew a lot despite the pain but have to stop because I don’t want to have to have surgery. There are a lot of valid reasons for people not being able to draw.
Just a thought but what if it was made law somehow that these AI art systems are forced to be for profit so that it would discourage people from just using them rampantly, and would massively discourage the companies themselves form using copyrighted material in their training because of the danger of copyright lawsuits being filed against them? I’m not really all the knowledgeable in that area but just an idea?
Thanks a bunch for the heads up especially when it comes to commissions. It's so disheartening and I feel like all we can do is just watch... Honestly, I don't even want to share anything on the internet anymore. And that Tech Bros even search specifically for glazed images is just disgusting. They could spend their time much better with actually learning how to draw. Btw. you're doing a great job at giving us information and I don't think you're that biased. You're an artist after all and Tech Bros aren't. You understand the process of drawing and painting and Tech Bros don't. That's why they need image generators in the first place. They have little to no knowledge of art, so at least in my opinion, you don't need to apologize. The only thing you could propably change is, don't call it AI 'art' but simply 'generated images'. The images are just based on art but they are still just generated and nothing more. No matter how many keywords Tech Bros add to their prompt. I'm glad that some conventions in Germany already banned the selling of generated images (one is the 'Dokomi' convention) and I'm sure more will follow. If people are unsure whether someone uses a generator or not, they can still ask for live pencil drawings at a convention (small stuff; not for sale). Tech Bros won't be able to reproduce the same quality in anatomy or other things as in their generated images, so it's at least one way to tell them apart from artists. And if they can... well, then at least they learned how to draw :'D Edit: I specifically called them Tech Bros, because not every prompter is necessarily a Tech Bro. I mean those that harm others without reflecting on their behaviour. I changed my comment slightly with regards to this.
About the glaze competition... I think those AI bros are indirectly helping to develop glaze, feels like they are working for artists, because without them, the developments of glaze will be limited to what they can do alone, but now you have a lot of AI bros exploring new ways and weak points for glaze to work with
The tech people are just doing everything because what they care about is learning more about the tech. That goes for making the tech stronger and weaker. The people stealing stuff are the same who would steal in the first place. The people buying sketches to then make their own thing were already doing that.
Can we directly help? I'm aware of how it works and how I would defeat it if I cared, but the situation *really* isn't as adversarial as everyone seems to think.
Don't think for a moment these guys are on your side, the original AI devs created this problem for artists and now another group are simply trying to sell protection services, it's all profit in the end.
@@hocuspocus9713 glaze is absolutely free, and they are planning to keep it this way forever.. I think their are doing this for investigation purposes, and any profit will arrive in other projects thay could made with this knowledge
some trash humans typed up words on their keyboards got a pretty picture out of it and started selling for $1000. This is a reminder that artists who actually draw whether it be on paper or tablet are the superior human beings in this case.
I just wanted to say real quick that I have a huge amount of respect that you consume both right and left wing media. As someone who also tends to do that but has a lot of friends who mostly stick to one, knowing that I'm not the only person trying to always get both sides of a situation is refreshing, so I just wanted to say that I think it's cool that you do that also! (also great video as always!) :D
The idea that copyright holders could protect their style has been soundly rejected by the art community, as otherwise this would instantly destroy the art industry.
Deglazing artworks is unethical. Like, if someone uses Glaze on their work, it means they do not consent to being part of the A.I game. Respect consent, people.
I believe, that AI can legitimately be used in a way that fairly compensates the artists, whose works are used for training the AI. For example, one could have a contract for an AI-based computer game include something like the following: The artist provides 42 works to be used as training data (let's assume that every work is equal in value, for simplicity's sake). The training data set also includes works from other artists with similar contracts. In total, there are 1000 works in the training data set. One could say that a certain part of the revenue made by the game is based on the creations of the AI. Let's call that A. There are also other things that the revenue should go to, like e.g. development costs, market fees, usual commissioning fees, shareholder dividends, everything else. Let's call that B. I'd say the artist's fair share of A is equal to the share of the works they provided. So the artist gets (42 / 1000 * (the total revenue - B)) + their usual commissioning/licensing fees (which might be a fixed amount in B). I'd think that artists and people who want to pay artists a fair wage should strive to get agreements like this.
An AI image generator that isn't trained on anything well over 100 million pictures is not going to create anything worthwhile. The more pictures you get it to train on the better results, that's why the current training is done on 5 billion or more pictures. Also before you think about saying "let's only pay those people that get used in the model" there is no way to trace back which pictures are used, since training an AI is just overwriting weights constantly with new information. For example one picture analyzed translate into 10,000 weights changed, the next picture changes 8,000 of the same weights and 2,000 new ones, the next changes 1,000 from the first, 5,500 from the second and 3,500 new ones - and so on, for more than 5 Billion pictures.
I've seen a lot of videos lately 'teaching' people how to use AI to sell on Etsy and other places. While I understand their intent to help people who are no money to invest in actual artists, it's sad that it's taught as a way to avoid paying people for their work. I believe that AI can be a very useful tool in shortening certain aspects of doing art. Like many other 'revolutions' of industry, there will always be people to create technology to make life 'easier' for some people while not seeming to care how it hurts others. Automation isn't new, it's just sad how many people take advantage of it and devalue human interaction and creativity.
At this point is there literally anywhere I can upload anything I make without it being at risk of immediately stolen by ai??? I'm kinda trying to build a career here and I feel like I can't even get a foot in the door
Here's the list of companies that i wish a thorough and painful bankrupcy on behalf of all the artists that are going through hell right now. Midjourney OpenAI ChatGPT Stable Deffusion DALL·E Adobe - yes our bois thought they were ahead of the game, so ahead in fact they forgot what they stood for. And many more to follow
@@masterag4068 from Oxford languages, “art•ist, noun, a person who creates paintings or drawings as a profession or hobby.” So by this definition, no, a writer is not an artist.
@@masterag4068yo i’d like to apologize to both you and the original commenter for being a bitch a year ago writers are 100% artists, i, for whatever reason had a very limited understanding of what an artist is- and was too stubborn to expand it i’d like to think i’ve grown as a person since then so yea, sorry- i dont know why i felt the need to be such an asshole
HEY DUCHESSCELESTIA While were are dicussing AI Art and how its awful because its illegal (which I agree with) how about you make a video about how to salvage some POSITIVE uses of AI Generated Art I REALLY want this as the most POSITIVE uses of AI art that I can come up with At the moment are: using AI Art Generators as blocking-sketch thumbnail Generators, Background generators, and just recently Brush Pattern Generators
I do not even understand what people would gain with AI and automation at least in the middle-long run. Because like i said last time, using AI to produce the same output means less human time on a pc, then less demand for hardware and ultimately less revenue for cpus, gpus providers because of the AI they created themselves... Now, its not visible now but if we're keeping that path then i bet this is going to happen soon. First danger of AI isnt that its replacing artist but that its devaluating art and the more art the ai bros will make the least it will sell in the future which is just pure logical most basic economy law. Which, again, will decrease demand for hardware cuz it isnt paying enough hence less revenue for the AI "fathers." Same thing with chatgpt. IT makes language, coding just worthless. Since no cost was required to produce those things then you're losing money in the GDP which is super bad news for govts cuz it means recession. And not even talking of the global loss of cybercriminality becaue of AI. So i cant predict the future but i believe in karma. There's always the same amoutn of money in a country so Each penny you're saving with AI is a penny that another company loses cuz lack of housoholds that were laid off by AI. Which forces them to lay off employess too, to devalue their own company, lose much more money, being crushed on their debt, deflating to bankrupt maybe. And the state would suffer just as much. I like to watch things from an economic point of view and 100% of studies show that in the long run, automation doesnt impact the employment rate (cuz if it did we wouldnt even had created the demand for the internet and AI in the first place haha) so i think that AI and artists can have a bright future together maybe. But this time the technology transition is faster than human adaptation so the stakes are gonna be much higher this time.
Can someone explain the difference between hiring an artist for a sketch to then make you own art based on it and doing the same with AI? Honestly, it sounds like being angry that someone paid you for a sketch and not for you to make the whole thing. Will you get angry if someone purchased a sketch, used it as a reference, made their own tweaked version of it, added color, and then said that the final piece is their own? Because it sounds like you would.
The issue is that putting it into AI takes very little skill, while drawing over the sketch takes skill with line art, coloring, and shading, assuming it isn't tweaked at all
@@aquila873well, everyone's upset about it cuz it's a sneaky way to avoid paying the artist in full, by only asking for a sketch then getting a whole finished piece using that sketch and Stable Diffusion. Point is, it's putting the artist's career at risk if more people do it. Not to mention, it's easy to use a type a prompt and let the program do the work for you.
@JenjenjenJan that there is copyright law. If you are hired to make something you and the person hiring you have to settle who owns the copyright and who is licensing the image. The people involved then need to properly do all the legal paper work, which means hiring copyright lawyers. You are saying that artists should have it so they only sell their art under contract such that they they keep full copyright and the person buying the art is only buying the license to use said art. That is very commendable but also, congrats you made for what many is just a side job for a bit of extra cash into something with a bunch of legal liability. Guess what, that type of stuff is exactly why people want AI art in the first place. If buying art becomes more of a hassle than people will just use AI art more because that is easier.
On the upside people who can't draw can create visual art for themselves, it facilitates expression. On the downside jobs are being lost. I like AI art but it shouldn't be used commercially unless you trained it on your own material or is legally unique, this definition varies depending on jurisdiction. Achieving "sufficiently different from the original" is not impossible, it's quite easy if you use the right prompts. I imagine "non copyrighted material" will become a prompt soon. There's legitimate uses, especially for photographers. The AI upscaling is fantastic and changing elements of a photo is desirable, like by removing random strangers from pictures. Yes there's already tools for that, which use AI and ML. Once again, as always, the law needs to catch up. We have been using AI art in movies for decades, a couple of examples are The Golden Compass and Star Trek Nemesis. They both used Terragen. It's of course used in moore movies, games, advertisements etc and of course art. This is just one app. Terragen generates landscapes and scenery and has a free version. It didn't end landscape art. I am not sure how this is going to impact the game industry. Current job losses are not anything to go by as the economy is struggling and jobs are going to be lost regardless. It will assist artists with introducing randomness into game assets that are not worth spending money or time on, such as ground textures, it always sucks when they are too repetitious, now we can have unique dirt without paying someone a fortune to draw it game-wide. That kind of thing is all benefit, in fact it could create jobs as someone needs to know how to do it. If you're an artist, you should probably know how to use AI as well. It will make the menial crap tasks easier. Replacing artists, no I don't think so. AI makes a lot of mistakes, it requires a lot of tuning to get something really good out of it. It could be useful for faces in a game, a family might look alike, a township can be unique.. but unless you train the AI on your own material and limit the usage of it the final product will be deformed repetitious junk. Filling in textures for 3D models you created utilising your own textures, that's a good use for it. You'll get something decent then. As with all tools, there's uses and misuses for them and unless you know what you are doing you're just going to create junk with it.
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For those of you looking to take commissions more safely with terms and conditions that protect the finished work from AI modification, check out Artistree! It’s what I use, and it provides at least a little bit of legal protection from this scam: artistree.io
I started using it since you mentioned it before and I’ve taken 3 commissions on there so far and it’s been great tbh I second this recommendation
Thanks for sharing with us, I've been using Upwork for years with relative success but they have become increasingly greedy with their fees and "connects". First I've heard of Artisttree, sounds good, I'll give this one a try :) thanks again!
Back in 2016-2018 I went through 8 artists trying to get someone to do characters on the level of fruit of grisalia. So generic quality character. The problem was every artist I came across online at the time tried to charge 400-1000+ line art. Meaning a full drawing illustration without multiple emotions, multiple poses or outfits would be around 3-6k for simple visual novel illustration for again generic art. I at the time as simple programmer who knew no better about how much art costed when making a game. I agreed to hourly, took prices at face value and was forced to abandon my project. eventually abandoned the project after sinking thousands of dollars and only receiving concept and little to 0 full complete characters. After that experience where i was stupid enough to pay for expensive line art and I mean not clean line art when I actually wanted a full illustration. I find myself now on board with AI after all the exploitation as it just makes business sense and it frankly easier to budget for programmer and other disciplines then is for an artist. but that's just my experience. See all price sheets where busts are going for 60, 30, 80 now is more than just a little frustrating.
@@BladorageSooo you're on board with AI because you didn't find good artists to pay for? That's like a teenage girl going to Twitter exclaiming that all men are bad because 3 of her dates went bad.
I like your disclaimer. Watched your video. I agree with you.
Imagine paying an artist you like for a sketch with the intention to finalize it with AI!
My first experience with getting an artwork from someone: It was not a commission, but a social media "6 fan arts challenge" with fictional couples. I previously made an artwork for this person (their OC) for a request and asked if I can have one from them and I ended up receiving an artwork of my 2 favorite characters together from a certain fandom. It was in 2021 and I still have it as my desktop wallpaper and I look at it every day. I absolutely love this work and I wouldn't change a single thing. If someone made me an AI model that could 100% replicate the original's style and could make me any image I wanted so I'll have a different picture for every time I look at it, I wouldn't care about it. That one image was made for me, by someone I consider to be an art friend. There's nothing more precious for me than that.
I know that there are people who don't care about art at all, they just want to look at some eye candy, and it's okay, but if you have someone who you like so much that you want to pay for a sketch from them.. how is it possible that you'd appreciate an AI image of that over the original?
Imagine paying an artist you like for a sketch with the intention of inking and coloring it yourself.
@@AnonAdderlan Even worse.
@@SylvesterLazarusnot really. That sounds like an art base.
Yknow that thing artist do when they draw a blank figure for ppl to color and render over.
It’s insulting how there are many people selling AI art on Etsy.
Let me share my experience... I'm a freelance artist who has completed over 60 commissioned pieces since last year. I encourage you not to let AI "art" or whatever stop you from pursuing art as a career if it brings you joy and fulfillment.
The commission process isn't just about art; on the contrary, it's about the entire experience you deliver to your client that will make you successful. Now more than ever, the better you become at treating your clients well and building a professional relationship, no "AI-bro" is going to take your job.
The process of understanding your client's needs, the creativity, and the communication surrounding your client's ideas that make them go, "oh damn, this is EXACTLY what I wanted or even better actually"; this is what makes you unique as an artist and why people want to commission YOUR experience. Yes, at some point, it's not even about art; it's about the experience you provide. That's why most of your commission work comes from clients you have already worked with before.
So my point is: Focus on improving your skills; learn basic communication skills and how to get clients; learn marketing skills; avoid looking for AI news (this helped me tremendously with motivation); focus on what you can do NOW and ask yourself if making art is something you're willing to dedicate your time to.
I wish you good luck on your art path. I've been struggling, and I don't want to see people give up on art. We're all in this together, after all! ✨
60 comissions....Holy...moley!
I wishbI had that drive and focus! At best I may pull out 5 or tops 8 per year.....because I can't focus well and dedicate myself enough to it, as much as I actually wants to!
@@Linnzy, I've gone through the exact same struggle! In my experience, the most important thing is to take the first step.
Post your work on platforms you feel comfortable with, then you're gonna start figuring out the niche you're passionate about and start getting comms and building your list of clients. Consistency is vital in the beginning.
I suffer from a lack of motivation and energy, but once you get your first step and keep having consistency, I'm sure you'll do great!!
Obs.: If you suffer from a severe lack of focus, it might be worth looking for professional help to ensure there isn't no underlying cause such as ADHD.
Exactly. Whatever for or against ai, I’m tired of all this fuss, I just want to create damn it 😒
@@bibuleDo it!
The experience of the client, is buying the work and putting it on their wall. It's not about the clients experience in the least. It's about whether or not the piece is worth the cost.
Having clients pay full price up front also helps with the AI scam, at least for your personal financial situation.
The problem is finding clients who are willing to pay full up front since they too can get scammed
Nah it makes it worse. How do i i know you won’t just go dish out an ai GENERATED pic.
@@Thesamurai1999 It's not that hard really. As long as you put that in your commission info so they know to expect full pay up front, it's fine. It helps to have a good portfolio and activity/presence on social media to make you look legit and credible tho.
@@dhabitahpunk I also had clients, who paid up front and they were fine with it. However, I can understand, that they fear to get scammed, which is why I regularly send out screenshots of the commission. Either when they ask for them or on my own. What I worry more about is: what if they want a refund after the sketch? You corrected it... let's say twice (or once, whatever is in your commission info about free changes) and they say "I don't like it and want my money back". Then what? That's what I keep thinking about since yesterday.
@@mitsu184 This depends. Some artists would make them pay for the hours the artist has spent doing the sketch by hour and the artist will pay the rest back. Usually this isn't really the case tho. Most people asking for a commission should already know how the artist's style and capability is before commissioning. And I also think the artist should be honest whether they can take up the project. There have been times where I feel like the work is a bit too much for me and beyond what I'm comfortable with so I just politely tell them I don't have confidence to take up the project.
It's so sad, how a tool like AI, which could have been a great thing for things like refrencing, has been reduced to such a harmful tool. I personally have used it to generate refrences for when I have art block.
I use it for reference too. Even though I am not the one who generate it but Some AI generated in Pixiv is so beautiful 😅
That’s what I use it for. The harm does not comes from the tool, but from the wrong hands it fell into
@@bibulethats why it needs regulations, so that these situations won't come up. The government really has to do smth about it.
While it can be great for ideas, never use it as a reference, if you want references, break down what you want to draw and look those up individually, it will make sure you don't copy the AI's mistakes.
I was using it for ref too, but only for composition or colour/lighting. Anatomy is a bit broken so even for a reference it's easier to find a website that has a poser like Design doll to see the correct proportions.
I’m getting real sick of both A.I. and Art Scams 😮💨 Thanks for informing all of us about this by the way 🤝
Nintendo and Disney join force and sue the hell out of the companies of ai art. I do hope it does.
HELL YEAH!
Seriously. I've said for months now that if people start blatantly ripping off companies like Disney and using AI to replicate their characters and styles, AI would be shut down basically overnight.
FRR
@@Xylem3Keys but both of them are super great at protecting their copyrights.
@@Xylem3Keys we just have to fight fire with fire. In this case, copyright infringement with copyright overprotection
People that keeps saying AI is great and "doesn't understand people that criticize it" are just yet to be the ones seeing their own job or passion threatened by despicable people using such technology that only want the profitable parts of it.
I already see programmers saying that chatGPT mostly makes terrible, flawed coding. Yet when they hear artists saying the same of generated contents they just look at them confused. Experts of the job will notice the flaws, but everybody else will just laugh at them and be call them anti-progress. Eventually everyone will face this.
I think a big difference is that I'm looking forward to being automated out of a job. Onward and upward.
@@Smytjf11 I think it's insane that automation is seen as a bad thing, though I totally see why. Theoretically, no one would HAVE to work. It would be their choice, when, where, how, because no one needs it. But everyone knows that as things are, automation wouldn't have the happy ending it objectively should.
I've been an artist my whole life and will continue to be, and I'm extremely pro-AI art. I'm willing to have a good-faith debate with anyone willing to listen. Just shoot me a reply.
The people who will not lose their jobs to AI will be the people who are the most skilled at their craft and the people who will be able to incorporate the use of AI to benefit their already existing skills. AI is here to stay and it's best to get comfortable finding ways to use it now so you are ahead of those who refuse to budge.
@@BASED.88the only way AI can ever be used of benefit in the society we live in is rich ppl, everyone else will be left for dead
AI art is partly the reason I decided to focus on a webcomic instead of my usual fanart digital paintings. AI can't really do lesser known OCs and keep their designs accurate from panel to panel. It also can't tell a good story. I mean, CHATGPT can write stuff, but it's not necessarily anything that's fulfilling as true literature.
A scary thought is getting a commission and before you finish it they cancel the order after receiving the wip that’s meant for proof of work or for corrections and then using AI to finish it.
I mostly draw for fun with a bit of processional work on the side, but AI art makes me feel depressed since I hear a lot of people that think Ai is all you'll ever need from now on.
It would be supremely sad if future artists never take the effort to learn drawing because Ai art is easy, even if it mostly looks samey already.
why are ai bros even bothering artists? like are they resentful against people that do art? like they can also do art.. frankly, if.. they had no electricity would they even be able to use those programs at all? likely not.. time to return to traditional art.. ig..
To be fair to "ai bros" they were bring poked by artists so not surprising tbh
Why do AI bros feel tge need to fuck over human artists?
envy, and lack of personality
Complete lack of b*lls
I feel The AI builders "Oh no, it isn't using the original art, it just learned from it like a person, so its all ok" very vacuous.
They never asked permission or compensated artists to download all of a persons art into your AI's "training pool".
They moderated the data sets they were training it up with to imitate certain styles, directly competing with the actual artists.
They are asking money for generating the images. Images that would be impossible without training the AI on stolen art.
Artists learn from the work of other artists. It's no different. I highly doubt when artists are perfecting their craft and experimenting with the styles and techniques of other artists that they asked permission first. Do you ask for permission to use someone else's work as a piece of inspiration? Hell no. You artists have to stop your whining and adapt to the changing world or suffer the consequences.
@@BASED.88 I think the main difference you fail to realize is that normal artists don't automatically become good at a style when they take inspiration from someone else, they still have to practice improving that style which may take months or even years. while people who use ai art just need to use someone else's image or just type in a prompt, barely any skill involved.
You complain about artists "whining" because you're not in the same position, you probably will be doing the same if your job/passion is threatened by automation.
this is coming from a non-artist.
@@apuppetandacookie8200 I understand that… but what you fail to realize is that it doesn’t matter. What matters is the end product and the cost it took to get there.
You’re right, though. I’m not in that field anymore because I grew up and switched into a career with JOB SECURITY. Something that is and always will be valuable to society. I went through art school when I was young and dumb. I was even fairly talented… but I knew it was a dumb line of work to get into and you people drove me insane with how much you thought of yourselves as special and with the constant holier than thou circle jerks students participated in.
AI will improve and replace jobs like storyboarding, concept art, and even script writing. Why have 10 artists to perform a task when you can have 1 artist that knows how to use AI and can instead perform quality control of the work the AI replaced?
@@BASED.88 wow, not only you ignore the fact I said I'm not a artist, you are no better than the people you criticizing for having a superiority complex. The main problem with your viewpoint is that you value efficiency over ethics. Which usually wouldn't be as bad as it is except for the fact that this is art we're talking about. Art has been around since mankind, the whole point of it is for people to express themselves and anyone can access it if they put the work and effort into it. while ai "artists" just need to type in a prompt or use a reference image, no creativity and barely puts any work into it. Not only it would be harmful for existing artists but also for people who want to get into the field. It's hard to grow in the industry or show your skills if art spaces and jobs are filled with effortless ai art made by people who barely put the work in. If ai does replace people's jobs then multiple companies of multiple industries such as gaming and film will have less creativity and go for a more corporate greed route of pumping out products that has not meaning or thought behind it, which is already a problem but ai will just accelerate it and make it more apparent.
Now here's an analogy for my point:
Society has invented a way for a mechanical brain to be planted into someones body. It's a lot more efficient not only in memory storage but also in learning capabilities, the catch is that you lose emotions and your humanity. What if a country decided to make a law to make it mandatory to install that mechanical brain into every citizen. Will it be efficient? Maybe. Is it ethical? Hell no.
@@apuppetandacookie8200 I thought you were referring to my opinion as coming from the non-artist when I first read your comment. No superiority complex here; I’m just saying I didn’t risk a big thing like career on something risky that should be a hobby.
Everything you posted doesn’t matter. Why does there have to be effort or talent or even a lot of work put into something to call it artwork when we are only a few years away from replicating all of that in an instant? What makes choosing human artwork over ai artwork more ethical? I’ve taken classes on ethics and I’m not seeing it…the only people really saying it’s unethical are the people who’s jobs are now dated and take offence that their work has now been devalued. That’s progress though. Should we not have advanced our phone technology to keep the line operators working? The point being: a lot of jobs will disappear, but new jobs in the same industry will pop up. You won’t need as many artists, but you’ll need programmers and head artists for quality control. Human talents will still be needed, but it will look different than it once was. The best course of action is to adapt to the changing environment. Hollywood and the music industry fought the rise of internet downloads and streaming and suffered for it until they finally embraced the change.
I don’t know what to say to your analogy because it kinda sucks. You’re comparing turning humans into robots with an ai tool that has been made available to humans. Sure, the AI doesn’t have emotions put into it’s work, but that doesn’t mean we can see a piece of AI artwork and find our own meaning in it.
A.I. Art is taking over the world in a bad way
I'd say it's AI generated content in general. I don't know if you have noticed it but overall quality of web search has already been degrading over the past 5 years or so. Now with ai we have an ultimate spam machine and if it keeps going on like this i won't be surprised if we will eventually have to return to web 1.0 style of internet with static pages, cursed css, webrings and banners with inks to your besties
@@pettycrimesandmisdemeanors Oh, that's even WORSE
@@devinsauls9137 Hey hey hey, it's kind of a good idea, no? Webrings: Great way to build your own networks and connections. Static pages: Zero bloat code to drag the site performance down to oblivion. Cursed stylesheets: This wouldn't happen. Banners: You see these every day as ads, not as a friendly link to partner/friend/etc page (and those banners were better looking anyway back in the day).
AI art is so demoralizing, its like a force that no matter how hard you try you just can’t stop it. The thing about AI art specifically is there is ways to use it well, but a good portion who use it don’t use it with care. I’m mostly just disappointed in the people trying to actively get rid of the ways artists have found to avoid their work being fed into AI to completely copy their work
It's amazing how far out of their way people will actually go to avoid doing any real work. Take pride in the fact that you are actually learning the true skills for creation while they learn nothing. Eventually there may come a time where they find their lack of ability becomes an unscalable wall. If you practiced and learned the skills, you don't need AI just like you don't need fast food if you learned how to cook for yourself. And if you keep practicing you will keep improving.
Don't be demoralized. Nothing can steal the joy of creation for creation's sake. Yes, we're entering an age where "digital artist" isn't as profitable of a career. That's just how things go. Plenty of old jobs aren't profitable anymore. Art is entering the realm of being a hobby, not a job, but is that so bad? The massive majority of us already can't make serious money with our hobbies. We still enjoy life. If you're truly passionate about art, the AI revolution may be the best thing to happen to art. Art will be made for the pure passion of expression, not profit. Only those truly dedicated to creation will take Art seriously. Art, as a whole, will become more raw and personal, less complicated by profit.
AI generated images are here to stay. That doesn't have to be the end of the world.
Blame the people who use it wrong then, not the ai.
@@McJorneilit’s just a tool. And for those who unfortunately cannot create (disability that prevents them to for exemple), at least they have a modicum of what’s it’s like to see something coming from their imagination
@@McJorneilLol, too lazy to learn to draw so I learned linear algebra instead. So lazy 🤷♂️
As a marvel fan and artist: when i watched the first secret invasion episode, i immediately searched up if the intro is ai generated, and i was pretty upset when i found out it was. Imo, the idea behind it is cool, but doing it during a time where ai art is negatively affecting artists is pretty douche bag-y.
And a ray of sunshine in this gloom and doom video, Valve put a hammer down on games that utilized ai for creating game assets for their games on Steam.
1. make sure to use glaze
2. accept all full payments up front
3. stop selling sketches and start selling full drawings
4. update your commission sheets to say that you will only do full drawings and not sketches.
5. remember you have the right to refuse service
Don’t forget to put your signature all over it
Or you can charge more than a full drawing for a sketch.
from these comment sections people been telling me that glaze is bad so idk...
@@joy0953 there are other ways of ai proofing your art. you can always watermark it with low resolution or even use alternatives to glaze itself.
here's a shred of hope for anyone that needs it: AI "art" being used to train an AI can corrupt it, and there's already so much of it out there, without having people go through every single image to check if it's AI or not, it can get into a dataset. maybe it will end up cannibalizing itself. maybe. either way, props to you, Celestia, for going out of your way to look for these news so we don't have to. I am afraid to look them up myself (because I might end up losing even more hope I don't have) unless it's your video.
I have heard that AI image generators, or at least some of them, put a mark into their images, not visible to the human eye, so that they can tell AI-generated images from human art, and they stock among their source images only human-made ones. I have heard only one person talking about this, and I am not even sure if I understood correctly how it works, but if what I just wrote is correct, I hope that this method is not wide-spread.
@@elisaelisaross not sure where i've heard the thing i said either, but apparently it already happened to one of them
My stance on AI is that if it is trained on copyrighted materials (that the AI trainer doesn't own) or art used without consent, than it shouldn't be used at any stage in a commercial manner. Not even for concept art or prototyping. AI works should not be copyrightable, because they were not created through human authorship. To copyright something, it must be made by a human. AI isn't a human, therefore the works it creates cannot be protected by copyright. If you take an AI work and have a human edit it, only the parts that the human changed can be copyrighted, not the whole of the work. This is good because companies will still need to hire actual artists if they don't want it to become legal to pirate their stuff and let their competitors sell it too. Though I don't see anything wrong with using copyrighted works or art used without artist's consent if it is only for personal use. Just don't go around posting it online, because that's not personal use anymore is it?? If you want a cute anime girl profile pic, hire an artist, make it yourself, or just go find something on the internet. There will always be a market for human made art, even if it gets smaller due to AI. It's special because of the years of effort and dedication that went into honing the craft and the story and person behind it. No one cares about AI recreations of the Mona Lisa or Starry Night, but people pay big money to be in the same room as them even though they have seen photos of them already. Besides, as someone who is learning art, AI can't take away the simple pleasure of putting (apple) pencil to (screen) paper.
Truth, esp. "AI can never take away the simple pleasure of putting the (apple) pencil to (screen) paper." I still make digital art for myself, and I still think about going to college to study art again, I just don't know if there's still a future for it and I'm scare of posting art now (first NFT bros, now AI bro. Can't catch a break🫠).
Just like when it comes to democracy, there is no "both sides" to the matter, so PLEASE be biased when it comes to AI abuse! You, as a creator, have every right to be. Thank you for the video. We shall remain ever vigilant.
What I find astounding is OTHER ARTISTS are actually getting pissed for any artists being strongly against AI art. How does that make sense?? It's like as if other artists want to lose business..
@@reddragon6480I don’t consider those people artists. If they were, they’d be furious at this technology being used now to exploit real human-made art.
This makes me just want to give up on trying to have commissions as a side hustle.
Please don’t
It might be harder sure but it’s still possible and AI art is bad, it might be gone soon.
@@Imjustkendall Aw, thanks for the support and encouragement. :)
You can still open commission with target buyer though. Someone who will not want AI such as writer or someone who have art as a hobby.
Don't give up! There's always people who are actually willing to pay artists despite the circumstances
@@alartyrlinnil That's true!
The age of good news is over. It's just all down hill from here as we're forced into tedious cubicle jobs while machines make our evening distractions.
I'm so glad you covered firefly, I know you briefly glanced over it last time, but I'm so so glad you revisited to the abuse of those poor stock artists...!
Great video! I very much appreciate becoming aware of this. People who do this to artists are worth less than dirt.
@9:09 doesn't matter what a contract says, the artists/photographers have a ligitimate case to bring as AI was not part of the conversation when they has that TOS of a contract. If the current AI lawsuits prevail, they will have a basis to go off of, not only that but the if a contract is overtly predatory a judge can have discretion to toss out that contract.
Might not be the best way to go about it, but theoretically (so long as it's not a sketch commission and just a WIP) you could take a slightly angled pic from a slight distance on your phone of the sketch on your screen. Might make it harder to get it through the AI program, especially if you glaze and watermark that photo after taking it.
Good idea. They can’t say that you didn’t do it cuz it’s already your image and it’s your actual workstation in the pic. The glaze is just the icing to this cake.
AI "art" is a plague
This is about what I expected. I am surprised some artists are still getting commissions at all though. I haven't gotten any, and I dont know anyone who has gotten one since last year before AI started to blow up. Even on shops like etsy the AI commissions are the ones at the top. What's really baffling, is that they're generally more expensive or maybe ~10 cheaper than an artist. So people are just buying into AI and not supporting artists for no apparent reason.
My friend has seen AI adopts costing upwards of 200 on deviantart
Produce better artwork? I'm not throwing support behind a piece of artwork just because it was made by a human. I am paying for the product I like the best.
@@BASED.88 The human product ofc
@@BASED.88 I hope you get replaced by AI and end up homeless. Obviously the assumption is that they're of relative quality, with AI being noticeably worse, since it always is worse. Thanks for being everything wrong with the world.
This is the reason why I don't sell the option of sketches or line art. Always full payment up-front and all the previews are small ( I work with 6000px but I send a preview of 400px with some zooms to certain important areas ).
AI art is honestly trying to take artist jobs now?
That was always the intent. Don't let the AI Bros and AI companies tell you otherwise.
It already has
That's literally the point of it. They wouldn't have made it if they didn't think they could make money from it.
It was expected to happen, sadly.
I mean game companies have threatened to replace their employees (including their artists) with AI if the employees don't want to work, I think it was either Bethesda or Blizzard that caught their employees using AI programs such as ChatGPT. In all honesty, if they get fired, then they shouldn't have to wonder if they get fired, and in all honesty, I wouldn't even be disappointed, the art and character design for Blizzard and Bethesda before those threats even came out, and before AI blew up last year were pretty terrible.
I hate AI art
Honestly, the whole shitshow with AI is the reason I decided to stay a traditional artist...
I feel incredibly sorry for all digital artists, but at least I have the sad reaffirmance that my work won't be as easily gobbled up and absuded by AI bros...
Check out what a CNC machine/Scara arm can do. I don't think that's going to be a thing, but AI can definitely use traditional painting techniques.
@@Smytjf11 oh come on....
@@Smytjf11 painting techniques sure, but it can't do pencil/pen drawings... right?
@@mr.jultra4720 My feeling is that we are only scratching the surface when it comes to capabilities... but, and this goes out to Minulf too, as an AI bro, I do not value AI generations at all. They're nice to look at but what y'all can do is actually worth something.
nice yuyuko yukkuri pfp. Take it easy
Charge 1000$ for a sketch if you feel this may happen to you. Easy.
But in all seriousness, don't let this demoralize you. You will always be more valuable than anything that's mass produced.
I’ve been doing art for years, but I’m very new to using it for profit- this is pretty scary for me. I plan on doing illustration commissions as a permanent livelihood, and AI may just wreck any chances I have to grow. Great.
Commissions wasn't ever doable as a livelihood even before AI, you will have to find a job. Sadly AI will also impact jobs tho, how hard depends on how this gets legislated in the coming future.
In situations like there, there is something I call "decaying period". I am sure there is a better name. Basically, there is a systematic attack on community which can result in some heavy damage to the industry.
We can try to slow down the damage, or we can shift/increase the damage to force big players like disney, nintendo to get heavy profit loss.
How? Remember that shirt selling event? When bots were stealing so many artwork from twitter?
We can use AI models to train and create animations in disney form that "goes against their political stance", "steals potential profit they could make", and "reduces the value disney's animations and prestige could have".
So to protect their profit margin, to fight agaisnt this blatant copyright dodge and protect disney's political stance for shareholders,
entire company will go after AI art community and do their best to break it down.
Like, seriously. If there was this surplus of disney style animations keep rising and rising with absolutely free while stealing disney's character designs and ideas, this big monster of a company will start fighting against AI.
I saw many videos where people used dance videos as reference and apply AI models to create AI animations and AI girls. If the same thing starts against disney in a big movement, then all these issues art community suffers, will become less of a threat.
In this context, we "shift" the decaying period to big corporations with power to either make them act on it, or make them lose profit. If they don't do anything, situation will continue as it is. If they do something, situation will definetely get better for art community in general. Either way, independant artists has nothing to lose.
I feel that the big corps would just use their money to go after the individuals rather than the entire community.
@@McJorneil If the movement becomes big enough, going after individuals will be too time consuming and as long as core models and metods stays, new people can join. It is only about size of the movement. If sufficiently big group tries this, disney would at least make a stronger and better version of that Glaze software.
good luck having enough free time to waste even attempting this.
Thanks for the news, even if they are bad. While waiting for better news, it's nice that artists stay updated and stick together and support each other. Especially since the coming of AI is revealing that a lot of people seem to really dislike artists and art and try to get rid of them
I feel bad for the artists taking adventage off. Ai art may be on the rise, but I believe there will always be demand for real human-made art
That defense of not hiring artists for the Secret Invasion intro is hilarious. "Well yes, we did use child slaves, but it was an artistic choice made because the show is about child slavery." "You see, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is all about a team coming apart, which is why we dissolved our art team." "The Hulk has, at its core, the question of how a monster rampaging around society destroying livelihoods would affect things. To reflect this we have-"
A lot of Ai art is like trying to shape a cloud with blowing each piece into place and triea to be the most attractive flower so that the (bee as the users choose that flower) while human art you can go down to the specifics of what you want and recreate simular versions of the images simular to comics, pannels and clothing...
it's crazy to think Japan of all places is ok with the ai. as crazy as they are about prosecuting and shutting down copyright infringement why are they allowing ai developers the free reigns.?
There's also Nightshade now too. It poisons AI datasets with incorrect data (like saying an image of a dog is a cat) and it seemingly can't be removed (at least not yet)
As an artist, the grift existed before ai art, that's not news, grifter gonna grift, that's what they are out to do. Ai is the new outsource to cheaper country, now it is the norm and people have forgotten how gut wrenching that was at the beginning. Same debate with digital art, when they would outsource the finish to freshly minted beginners artist using computer, because so little early adopter was trained artist.
How did we adapted? We raise the cost of .non digital art, made them more unique and in depth, AND we also did less finish worked, but a did a whole more lot of them since it's quicker, with marginal price increase, doing it in more depth, before it was formalized as just a step in the pipeline.
Do the ai grift will evolve as this, raise the cost of the starting works, spend more depth care on that, let people whatever rendering ai engine to finish it, do more of works since it remove labor out of the process.
I'm trying to ignore AI art and just do my thing because it is going to happen regardless of what I want but it is so invasive, I'll be searching for references for art or just looking for art in general and the search results are absolutely full of shit AI images making it hard for me to see what I need, the fact that they can produce them so quickly makes it hard to compete with as mass amounts of low quality content are just auto uploaded to our tags.
We're in this weird transitional phase in all this. AI isn't going away but in the end, in a human society with human wants, feelings and taste it will be the human product a human wants. AI quality is all starting to look the same honestly, it's like the same Art Director is making everything
i don't care about ai simply because there are things impossible to explain in words in a prompt and the ai is bad at generating anything there isn't a lot of art of on the internet. and the fact it can't be a hobby if you just click a button and instantly get art that's like cheating in a game to beat it right away. People just want to make a quick buck with this by selling art that the ai has likely plagrized from somewhere else. i'be messed with ai and theres a lot of water marks in the art work if it wasn't stealing those would not be there.
You will literally see so many shitty people justify the act of using a commissioned sketch for AI on reddit, this world is so fk up
AI is no match for Human Stupidity!
During the dark times of early 2020's I played with craiyon I put "cute vulpix beach" and it looked kinda close you can see the tails and "curled hair" but I tested it now 2023 and it just looks like a "royalty free" redpanda that you can find on a bootleg t shirt so its proof that AI is just stealing and editing random art and not "referencing" or "learning" from it. I feel Nintendo or the Pokemon Company got wind of this and they enforced their copyright (which may or may not involve a katana).
AI or machine learning is an oxymoron it can't make images out of thin air it needs a database to generate images (in our case art made by humans) and if we can cut of its resource then it will only make low quality pictures and "AI art" will surely fade out like other scams.
AI generators are like an OS and their database is like System32 so when you delete the folder Sytem32 it will cease to function try it now on your PC.
while i agree with this, please do not delete system32 unless you want to gut your pc/laptop with no way to get it back.
i realized i cannot enjoy ai images. They seem dull prob bcs i don't see the intent? They seem like random colors forming a random image. I also enjoy comparing artists and art styles, so... yea AI images suck
8:27 they are a scam, 100% deceitful
Ai is theft. Period. These ai bros are in for a rude awakening when we beat them
HAHAHA. You're in for a rude awakening when you'll eventually have to supplement your income by working shifts at walmart because your artwork is not up to snuff to compete with software. You are only going to do yourself more harm by not budging on this. Your best bet is to continue to master your craft and learn how to incorporate AI into your work. Work with it and not against it... because its here to stay.
@@BASED.88people will eventually get bored of typing words on a screen. also no one will pay you for an ai generated image 😂😂 that's like paying someone to use a calculator
@@hello-vo3tr except people are already buying AI generated artwork that’s printed on clothing, mugs, canvas, decorations… there are people in this very comment section whining about how AI is outcompeting them in marketplaces like Etsy. It’s only going to get worse too because AI is rapidly improving in quality.
@@BASED.88 ohh I thoight you meant digital pieces not physical materials... anyhow, most people buy that stuff because they are unaware it's AI. Trust me no one will buy something with little value and effort for money.... + I've seen many people shy away from printed AI stuff.. soo like.....
@@hello-vo3tr I will buy whatever product I think is better or more aesthetic. People want value for their money so your artwork should either be better than AI or cheaper… only a select few will buy on principle hence why AI content is beating out artists right now.
And like I said, the quality of AI is skyrocketing. If the leaps it made in just 6 months is any indication, the quality will be indistinguishable from humans in a couple years. I expect storyboard artists to lose work, draft artists, concept artists… the people who will retain their jobs will be those who learn how to adapt and use the new AI tools with their artistic ability. You will essentially lose the workforce but keep the supervisors who maintain quality control. It all comes down to money and how marketable your talents really are.
off topic but your new sprites are so pretty! the shading and colors of the hair is absolutely gorgeous!! :)
I've done freelance artwork for many years, mainly enjoy drawing graphic novel type stuff. I've come to the conclusion it's pointless to be mad about AI art, and although there's things like glaze being developed who knows how long, if ever it will be a tool that 100% stops people from using your art to train AI. At this point I've decided to add stable diffusion into my work flow, I'm not just using the text to image however, I'm using img to im g, inpainting nd other such tools since I can draw in more of what I want into the image vs relying on the ai to compose an image for me, which in most cases it's not all that great, from my results anyway.
That aside, I don't think it's necessary to learn the tool to "keep up" or use it at all. A lot of artists suffer from not knowing how to market themselves, if you learn how to market yourself and can provide something of value there will always be potential customers. I may use AI to help me depending on what work needs to be done, however I will always enjoy drawing my personal things by hand as well as offering commissions made without the use of AI, I'm considering going back more into traditional art since now there are lots of people now that think all digital art is made with the press of a button...I showed someone my portfolio and they said "oh you made that by just typing and pressing buttons". Use your energy to learn how to market yourself, be relevant and adapt to the way the world is now instead of being upset and complaining. I believe those will be the deciding factors between those who will be able to succeed or not in this industry now.
Aren't AI bros just the *worst*?
Hey I notice you talk a lot about AI art. Can you bring light and talk about AI voice and AI voice covers using celebs and voice actors voices without permission and the harm behind it. Its becoming more normalized recently and is affecting a lot of Voice actors and a ton of boundaries are being broken. Thank you love your videos!
I think this channel focuses more on art related than any other subjects like celebrities, voice actors, etc.
i dont think ai will take over artists jobs. the stuff the ai makes is ugly, it takes way more than just a few fixes to make it look good. might as well just draw an entirely new piece right? personally, ill always prefer real art.
Almost all of it looks very “samey”
AI is the reason why I stopped taking commission and posting my latest work, I just hate inconsiderate people who casually steal someones work and upload it to ai library, and you can do nothing about it! Literally just yesterday someone on my discord group chat posted their work and this other person casually reposting their work (exact copy but ai generated) and says "it took that person hours, but it only took me a second..." that person even felt proud of themselves, it make me sick
An amateur prompt engineer here: I think this requires a new legal framework.
I could easily imagine an artist designing a character and selling or licensing the entire LORA model instead of single artwork. But since AI images aren't covered by copyright, this is a no-go in many jurisdictions.
on facebook i got banned in one group bcs i called out personfor selling ai art and scaming people, im trully scared for art community in this time, mostly for artists
Those people don’t want to be punished for their misuse of artists’ works. Keep telling the truth!
Just when I was thinking about doing commissions when my art was better, this happens🥲What's the point in trying to improve my art to make a living for myself when AI shart is just going to take away every opportunity? I'll keep improving but with this news, I feel like giving up completely.
I have never shared one of your videos with ALL of my artist friends so fast. Thank you for this video and thank you for the information, as always.
Fucking Firefly pulled a 4D chess move.
I fucking KNEW big corpo would be exploiting AI like this, and leaving the average folk in the dust.
Thanks for presenting this in a mature way! The direction AI Art has gone makes me upset for slightly different reasons. I’ve been using AI Art for art therapy for almost a year and a half now and it helped me SO MUCH with my trauma recovery and mental health until it became controversial so i’ve been using it less and less the last 6 months. I don’t sell my AI Art or want any harm to come to artists. I’ve experienced so much good from AI Art but it’s difficult to be happy about it when members of my community are using it to harm the very people who made it possible. Now i just feel conflicted and depressed. Hopefully we can figure out a solution 🙏
how did it help you? (genuine question)
I feel like people abusing are nft bros type. Remember those scams. Yeah.
If it's just for your own personal consumption you're not hurting anyone by using it. The issue isn't with personal consumption.
@@jdoe2737 I personally think so but i’ve also had a LOT of artists tell me how i’m a terrible person even for using it for personal use so idk.
@@awwoo-56709 Thanks for asking! There are a few ways. One is by using AI to create an image that is symbolic of something you went through or going through. For example a creature all twisted with a pained face can symbolise my condition (EDS) that causes me extreme pain. I can also use it to create something creepy and then put it through AI to make it pretty symbolising making a bad condition better. 3rd is that it’s a great way to create what i would want to draw. I used to be an artist but it’s extremely painful for me to draw. AI helps me create what i want to create in a way that is both convenient and painless. I did push myself through the pain for a few months and drew a lot despite the pain but have to stop because I don’t want to have to have surgery. There are a lot of valid reasons for people not being able to draw.
Just a thought but what if it was made law somehow that these AI art systems are forced to be for profit so that it would discourage people from just using them rampantly, and would massively discourage the companies themselves form using copyrighted material in their training because of the danger of copyright lawsuits being filed against them? I’m not really all the knowledgeable in that area but just an idea?
Off topic but, I really love how you have updated your persona, it’s beautiful! Very light and pretty:)
Thanks a bunch for the heads up especially when it comes to commissions. It's so disheartening and I feel like all we can do is just watch... Honestly, I don't even want to share anything on the internet anymore. And that Tech Bros even search specifically for glazed images is just disgusting. They could spend their time much better with actually learning how to draw. Btw. you're doing a great job at giving us information and I don't think you're that biased. You're an artist after all and Tech Bros aren't. You understand the process of drawing and painting and Tech Bros don't. That's why they need image generators in the first place. They have little to no knowledge of art, so at least in my opinion, you don't need to apologize.
The only thing you could propably change is, don't call it AI 'art' but simply 'generated images'. The images are just based on art but they are still just generated and nothing more. No matter how many keywords Tech Bros add to their prompt. I'm glad that some conventions in Germany already banned the selling of generated images (one is the 'Dokomi' convention) and I'm sure more will follow. If people are unsure whether someone uses a generator or not, they can still ask for live pencil drawings at a convention (small stuff; not for sale). Tech Bros won't be able to reproduce the same quality in anatomy or other things as in their generated images, so it's at least one way to tell them apart from artists. And if they can... well, then at least they learned how to draw :'D
Edit: I specifically called them Tech Bros, because not every prompter is necessarily a Tech Bro. I mean those that harm others without reflecting on their behaviour. I changed my comment slightly with regards to this.
About the glaze competition...
I think those AI bros are indirectly helping to develop glaze, feels like they are working for artists, because without them, the developments of glaze will be limited to what they can do alone,
but now you have a lot of AI bros exploring new ways and weak points for glaze to work with
The tech people are just doing everything because what they care about is learning more about the tech. That goes for making the tech stronger and weaker.
The people stealing stuff are the same who would steal in the first place.
The people buying sketches to then make their own thing were already doing that.
lmaoo the ai bros are doing unpaid tester work , fuck em
Can we directly help? I'm aware of how it works and how I would defeat it if I cared, but the situation *really* isn't as adversarial as everyone seems to think.
Don't think for a moment these guys are on your side, the original AI devs created this problem for artists and now another group are simply trying to sell protection services, it's all profit in the end.
@@hocuspocus9713 glaze is absolutely free, and they are planning to keep it this way forever..
I think their are doing this for investigation purposes, and any profit will arrive in other projects thay could made with this knowledge
some trash humans typed up words on their keyboards got a pretty picture out of it and started selling for $1000. This is a reminder that artists who actually draw whether it be on paper or tablet are the superior human beings in this case.
This war is getting hard...
I just wanted to say real quick that I have a huge amount of respect that you consume both right and left wing media. As someone who also tends to do that but has a lot of friends who mostly stick to one, knowing that I'm not the only person trying to always get both sides of a situation is refreshing, so I just wanted to say that I think it's cool that you do that also! (also great video as always!) :D
i used to have commissions once or twice a year. its been 2 years and i get nothing sadly. i guess ai bros really hate us
Your art is just more and more beautiful, I love it! And thank you so much for taking the time to do so much research and informing us
kind of off-topic but I can't believe I only just now noticed Duchess Celestia's avatar has heterochromia
The idea that copyright holders could protect their style has been soundly rejected by the art community, as otherwise this would instantly destroy the art industry.
does anyone know of any tools artists that dont draw on the computer can use? i havent seen any way glaze and mist can work on mobile :(
at that point, ask someone trusted to glaze your work for you
@@awwoo-56709what is glaze?
Deglazing artworks is unethical. Like, if someone uses Glaze on their work, it means they do not consent to being part of the A.I game. Respect consent, people.
I believe, that AI can legitimately be used in a way that fairly compensates the artists, whose works are used for training the AI.
For example, one could have a contract for an AI-based computer game include something like the following:
The artist provides 42 works to be used as training data (let's assume that every work is equal in value, for simplicity's sake). The training data set also includes works from other artists with similar contracts. In total, there are 1000 works in the training data set.
One could say that a certain part of the revenue made by the game is based on the creations of the AI. Let's call that A. There are also other things that the revenue should go to, like e.g. development costs, market fees, usual commissioning fees, shareholder dividends, everything else. Let's call that B.
I'd say the artist's fair share of A is equal to the share of the works they provided.
So the artist gets (42 / 1000 * (the total revenue - B)) + their usual commissioning/licensing fees (which might be a fixed amount in B).
I'd think that artists and people who want to pay artists a fair wage should strive to get agreements like this.
An AI image generator that isn't trained on anything well over 100 million pictures is not going to create anything worthwhile. The more pictures you get it to train on the better results, that's why the current training is done on 5 billion or more pictures. Also before you think about saying "let's only pay those people that get used in the model" there is no way to trace back which pictures are used, since training an AI is just overwriting weights constantly with new information. For example one picture analyzed translate into 10,000 weights changed, the next picture changes 8,000 of the same weights and 2,000 new ones, the next changes 1,000 from the first, 5,500 from the second and 3,500 new ones - and so on, for more than 5 Billion pictures.
Ai art isn't even art since art is self expression and it has no soul so it has no self
YOU HAVE A NEW SUBSCRIBER!!!! AND IT'S ME!!!
Pay artist for a sketch to get full piece. Get scammed since sketch was AI generated in the first place.
Reeeeaaaalllllllyyyyyyy random, but i LOVE your art today
I've seen a lot of videos lately 'teaching' people how to use AI to sell on Etsy and other places. While I understand their intent to help people who are no money to invest in actual artists, it's sad that it's taught as a way to avoid paying people for their work. I believe that AI can be a very useful tool in shortening certain aspects of doing art. Like many other 'revolutions' of industry, there will always be people to create technology to make life 'easier' for some people while not seeming to care how it hurts others. Automation isn't new, it's just sad how many people take advantage of it and devalue human interaction and creativity.
At this point is there literally anywhere I can upload anything I make without it being at risk of immediately stolen by ai??? I'm kinda trying to build a career here and I feel like I can't even get a foot in the door
Thank you so much for the good work 👍
DuchessCelestia’s Art News Episode 2
Unrelated but I love the new video layout!!
Adobe continuing to be scummy? Color me shocked.
Haha my sketches look poopy and vague anyways but I’m still a little scared of all how quickly this ai stuff is advancing :((
Here's the list of companies that i wish a thorough and painful bankrupcy on behalf of all the artists that are going through hell right now.
Midjourney
OpenAI
ChatGPT
Stable Deffusion
DALL·E
Adobe - yes our bois thought they were ahead of the game, so ahead in fact they forgot what they stood for.
And many more to follow
Chat gpt doesn’t have an ai “art” generator though, it’s just a chatbot. All it generates is text, it’s not negatively affecting artists in any way
@@squirrel83So writers aren’t artists?
@@masterag4068 from Oxford languages, “art•ist, noun, a person who creates paintings or drawings as a profession or hobby.” So by this definition, no, a writer is not an artist.
@@masterag4068yo i’d like to apologize to both you and the original commenter for being a bitch a year ago
writers are 100% artists, i, for whatever reason had a very limited understanding of what an artist is- and was too stubborn to expand it
i’d like to think i’ve grown as a person since then so yea, sorry- i dont know why i felt the need to be such an asshole
HEY DUCHESSCELESTIA
While were are dicussing AI Art and how its awful because its illegal (which I agree with) how about you make a video about how to salvage some POSITIVE uses of AI Generated Art
I REALLY want this as the most POSITIVE uses of AI art that I can come up with At the moment are: using AI Art Generators as blocking-sketch thumbnail Generators, Background generators, and just recently Brush Pattern Generators
I do not even understand what people would gain with AI and automation at least in the middle-long run.
Because like i said last time, using AI to produce the same output means less human time on a pc, then less demand for hardware and ultimately less revenue for cpus, gpus providers because of the AI they created themselves...
Now, its not visible now but if we're keeping that path then i bet this is going to happen soon. First danger of AI isnt that its replacing artist but that its devaluating art and the more art the ai bros will make the least it will sell in the future which is just pure logical most basic economy law. Which, again, will decrease demand for hardware cuz it isnt paying enough hence less revenue for the AI "fathers."
Same thing with chatgpt. IT makes language, coding just worthless. Since no cost was required to produce those things then you're losing money in the GDP which is super bad news for govts cuz it means recession. And not even talking of the global loss of cybercriminality becaue of AI.
So i cant predict the future but i believe in karma. There's always the same amoutn of money in a country so Each penny you're saving with AI is a penny that another company loses cuz lack of housoholds that were laid off by AI. Which forces them to lay off employess too, to devalue their own company, lose much more money, being crushed on their debt, deflating to bankrupt maybe. And the state would suffer just as much.
I like to watch things from an economic point of view and 100% of studies show that in the long run, automation doesnt impact the employment rate (cuz if it did we wouldnt even had created the demand for the internet and AI in the first place haha) so i think that AI and artists can have a bright future together maybe. But this time the technology transition is faster than human adaptation so the stakes are gonna be much higher this time.
AI can't steal from you if you don't get any commissions 🙃
What's glazing?
Hi
Yay new vid:)
Ai can certainly say good video 😂👏
Can someone explain the difference between hiring an artist for a sketch to then make you own art based on it and doing the same with AI? Honestly, it sounds like being angry that someone paid you for a sketch and not for you to make the whole thing.
Will you get angry if someone purchased a sketch, used it as a reference, made their own tweaked version of it, added color, and then said that the final piece is their own? Because it sounds like you would.
The issue is that putting it into AI takes very little skill, while drawing over the sketch takes skill with line art, coloring, and shading, assuming it isn't tweaked at all
@@aquila873 So its entirely subjective on how much work other people think you should had put?
They're just whiners.
@@aquila873well, everyone's upset about it cuz it's a sneaky way to avoid paying the artist in full, by only asking for a sketch then getting a whole finished piece using that sketch and Stable Diffusion.
Point is, it's putting the artist's career at risk if more people do it. Not to mention, it's easy to use a type a prompt and let the program do the work for you.
@JenjenjenJan that there is copyright law. If you are hired to make something you and the person hiring you have to settle who owns the copyright and who is licensing the image. The people involved then need to properly do all the legal paper work, which means hiring copyright lawyers. You are saying that artists should have it so they only sell their art under contract such that they they keep full copyright and the person buying the art is only buying the license to use said art.
That is very commendable but also, congrats you made for what many is just a side job for a bit of extra cash into something with a bunch of legal liability. Guess what, that type of stuff is exactly why people want AI art in the first place.
If buying art becomes more of a hassle than people will just use AI art more because that is easier.
On the upside people who can't draw can create visual art for themselves, it facilitates expression.
On the downside jobs are being lost. I like AI art but it shouldn't be used commercially unless you trained it on your own material or is legally unique, this definition varies depending on jurisdiction. Achieving "sufficiently different from the original" is not impossible, it's quite easy if you use the right prompts. I imagine "non copyrighted material" will become a prompt soon.
There's legitimate uses, especially for photographers. The AI upscaling is fantastic and changing elements of a photo is desirable, like by removing random strangers from pictures. Yes there's already tools for that, which use AI and ML.
Once again, as always, the law needs to catch up.
We have been using AI art in movies for decades, a couple of examples are The Golden Compass and Star Trek Nemesis. They both used Terragen. It's of course used in moore movies, games, advertisements etc and of course art. This is just one app. Terragen generates landscapes and scenery and has a free version. It didn't end landscape art.
I am not sure how this is going to impact the game industry. Current job losses are not anything to go by as the economy is struggling and jobs are going to be lost regardless.
It will assist artists with introducing randomness into game assets that are not worth spending money or time on, such as ground textures, it always sucks when they are too repetitious, now we can have unique dirt without paying someone a fortune to draw it game-wide. That kind of thing is all benefit, in fact it could create jobs as someone needs to know how to do it. If you're an artist, you should probably know how to use AI as well. It will make the menial crap tasks easier.
Replacing artists, no I don't think so. AI makes a lot of mistakes, it requires a lot of tuning to get something really good out of it. It could be useful for faces in a game, a family might look alike, a township can be unique.. but unless you train the AI on your own material and limit the usage of it the final product will be deformed repetitious junk. Filling in textures for 3D models you created utilising your own textures, that's a good use for it. You'll get something decent then.
As with all tools, there's uses and misuses for them and unless you know what you are doing you're just going to create junk with it.
I thought that this was known for a while
Noooo