How One Club Became Two Enemies | MK Dons & AFC Wimbledon
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2016
- This is the story of how in 2002, Wimbledon FC spilt to become two clubs: MK Dons & AFC Wimbledon.
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a great respect for AFC Wimbledon fans.
Antony Ang j
Who let there club die and started a new one yer respect that haha what a melt.
tom mate your not ard you have a playlist named tom
Brendon Peck//ITFC you’re my good at grammar
@@tmbrown2409 you fucker
Being a Wimbledon fan, I absolutely love this comments section
Omg same
Even in France, story of MK Dons and AFC Wimbledon is famous! Thanks guys!
Ya, thanks to John and Hank Green, many from the States/Canada also know both very well
Yes, get rid of the 'Dons' from MK Dons, (especially now the real Dons are back in the League), and think of a name that actually has something to do with Milton Keynes the city. MK Roundabouts, perhaps?
Synthesizer Patel MK straight roads or MK duel carriageways 😂
Synthesizer Patel 😂😂😂
Synthesizer Patel
MK holy fuck what a grey shithole it is
Synthesizer Patel Milton Keynes FC or MKFC Would be a good name
Love seeing Eli on my screen again
Love seeing Vuj in the comments
David Vujanic have a nice
David Vujanic I
AFC MK WimbleDons
Ok now I understand why people hate MK Dons. Thank you Copa! :)
so you must hate them too because jumping on a bandwagon is cool and thinking for yourself isnt
BigChris1998 what?
there is a difference in understanding something and agreeing with it...Leshon never said he hated Mk dons, he just understands why people hate them.
PP Hyjynx exactly!
Leshon JL lol but meanwhile I didn't know about why people hated MK Dons either because I watch Spanish football
I didn't know MK Dons had given the rights and trophies "back" to Wimbledon. That was huge and honestly it does soften the harm they've done to the "true" Dons. In the end fair play prevailed. :)
They should change their name
I'm also with them in that aspect: if the fans agree to a name change, yes. But if not, it should stay like it is. The fact that they are named "Dons" doesn't affect negatively the true Dons anyway. If they like it, they can stick with it.
John Aarson No. No fucking way mate
How come?
John Aarson Just giving their trophies back doesn't make up for it all. What about their club, their identity? They don't have that
"Franchise football is disastrous" Hear that America?
L Bizzle you tell em bro
everything in america is a franchise...even Schools
PP Hyjynx Not really
@@pphyjynx8217 Even prison
were still high as giraffe pussy in the honeymoon phase. but eventually people will realize no one owns their team. every team is owned by the league. I'm a Toronto FC fan and the league just banned for life our number one supporters group Inebriatti over the actions of 2 or 3 fans. this would never happen in europe and its happening everywhere in MLS. they want a family friendly experience. They show the chants and flares when theyre selling it but they dont want it in the stadium once they have a succesful franchise
"And given a Football League side to the local community of Buckinghamshire." I think Wycombe Wanderers might have something to say about that.
do you know how much of an ass it is to get from mk to wycombe
this is actually really interesting.
WIMBLEDON...... My heart goes out to them supporters it was a crime against football, so much respect for the lads that fought for there club, I grew up as a massive Wimbledon rival but, I couldn’t imagine that pain of losing your club, so respect for them original supporters now....
Johan Cruyff was part of the group that tried to move Wimbledon to Dublin and wrote in his autobiography 'My Turn' that he couldn't understand the problem with moving a club from London to Ireland and having an Irish team playing in the English League system. Luckily those with a brain filled with common sense prevailed on that one.
No disputing that Cruyff was a great footballer, he's one of the greatest of all time, but when it came to understanding the feelings of others and general common sense he was the furthest from great that it is possible to be.
I'm Dutch but if that is true, Cruyff was a fucking idiot.
Imagine the away days. A nice weekend trip to Dublin soumds great
I'm from Milton Keynes, I'm ashamed of this club.
Phil Mitchell PHIL!!!
Maybe thats a good wisdom
Phil Mitchell nah mate ur from Walford
Good mate😂 right decision
Up mkdons
You can hate the Dons as much as you like but the fact they beat United 4-0 is bloody hilarious
true
They are not the dons
They should be called mk franchise instead
MK have one of the best stadiums in the football league
SEA DOGS It may be. But the people who did that to Wimbledon supporters should be machine gunned into a ditch.
MK DONS is everything a football club shouldn't be
What bringing through young talent like dele alli making jobs in the area bringing the locals a team to support
Sorry didn’t realise a disagreement is what football shouldn’t be
mk dons is what became of wimbledon when locals in merton didnt want the club. they have done nothing wrong.
Nah it’s Manchester United/Manchester City.
red flag most football fans from Merton support Chelsea Fulham or palace .
Long live AFC Wimbledon! We stand behind you at Malmö FF.
Qonstantin Braeburn thanks mate love our club went to Wimbledon mk we were unfortunate to lose but the atmosphere was great the play off final last year 2-0 vs Plymouth best day of my life
Finley Root you little gobshite
The average Gamer Cheers, mate. Such a shame that you lost, but you'll crush them at home. Hopefully I'll get to attend an AFC game if I visit London in the future. Hope you're playing higher up in the system then!
I just wish your kits were a bit better looking, the only thing preventing me from getting one! I preferred the old FC ones from the 90's!
Best of luck!
@finnerzz channel at least there not fake
@finnerzz channel at least he's not giving away his identity finley root
MK dons, Millwall and RB Leipzig are the most hated clubs in the world.
you forget Juventus and Barcelona
More Chelsea, United and Tottenham respect at Arsenal. For me more hated : 1. Chelsea 2. Tottenham 3. City 4. United 5. Millwall 6. Arsenal. i respect West Ham, Newcastle, Everton and a little for Liverpool.
No.
Ultras Milan your top 5 hated teams are English even though your a Milan "ultra"
+Chelsea home and away Chelsea no football fans base no history no tradition, only big money.
Wimbledon AFC, As a football fan, I'm glad you came back! I hope Premier League football returns for you and your brilliant, loyal fans.
No sure how old you are but they were terrible for the Premier League, average home crowds of 7K with some down to 3K and away crowds of 150. Also very physical long ball football, at the time most British football fans wanted them to be relegated and replaced by a team with more deserving fans.
@@sheffsteel7at the time many just thought they were bad no one wanted a fake place that hound not even exist to mug a football club
My Dad always said there are at least 2 things every English football fan can agree on:
Don't buy the Sun
What happened to Wimbledon was atrocious
I agree, I think MK should drop the Dons. Come up with a name that makes them stand out more
Mk plastics
@@markharrison6927 Honestly, it wouldn't matter. They've officially renounced their claim to the history and identity of the original Wimbledon club, which is a step in the right direction, but they _have_ to change their name for that to be taken seriously.
Honestly Milton Keynes football club doesn't sound bad
M.K. F.C.
With their pathetic home crowds in their 30k seat stadium, they should just renounce any league status they stole from Wimbledon and start at the bottom of the pyramid like literally every other club
It's incredible that Wimbledon are already in a higher position than MK dons
No they’re not
@@louist9479 coyd!
Yeah they r
@@louist9479 wombles TID
@@trainsimrides9662 no they’re not 😂
Growing up in MK (from the age of 2) like alot of my generation I already had "my team" long before MK Dons and find it hard to associste with the club that play in my home town of the past 32 years.
Like Wimbledon fans, I've been through the ups & downs with my boyhood club Coventry City. Still in very uncertain times and now in a home stadium we don't own with no guarantees on where we will play next season.
I attend MK Dons games with my young son who is a FOOTBALL fan, he's not a fan of a club or a player or a brand - we go to watch the GAME - the sport. He has an unblinkered, unbiased, almost innocent view which sometimes I would love to have. Alot of clubs in history have had hard times, money talks and decisions made by people out of greed affects the people paying to watch most.
I don't attend these games to fund the team (although ultimately my money goes there) but to enjoy something with my son we both love.
I feel for the fans of Wimbledon and just want them to know that the club they loved and enjoyed watching will never be forgotten. I used to enjoy watching the crazy gang as a kid with my dad, staying up late to watch match of they day - some of my best times as he worked so much.
MK Dons & AFC Wimbledon are for the next generation, rivalries in sport are what make it exciting.
Why did you support conventry growing up in Milton Keynes
This is a very interesting comment. I’m a cov fan as well So I’m wandering what made you pick the sky blues?
Missed mini documentaries like these. Keep these going!
good film, well researched, nicely presented, look forward to watching more of these
Awesome that you bring back these documentations!
We need more videos like this. Keep up the good work. (y)
One of the best videos of watched on UA-cam. Keep it up
Good several quotes from MK Dons owner at the end.
Very informative piece. Thanks.
Copa 90 do have some of the best made videos on youtube, always impressed with the quality
Won the FA Cup on penalties, you say? Pretty sure it was a 1-0 win.
Sanchez free kick I always thought
My mistake Sanchez header from corner
yeah
No, Sanchez header from a Dennis Wise Free Kick.
Don't think they even settled the FA Cup final on penalties back then, was usually replays. The final 2 years after Wimbledon's win between Man Utd and Palace went to a replay.
I refused an offer to manage MK Dons in football manager even though I was desperate for a job
Hope you ended up on the bottle and managing Kettering Town
@@kimjongun1413 Still better than MK
@@homerj.simpson7562 true wombles are the way to go
Excellent mini-documentary.
I have subscribed.
great video! more like this please.
Honestly one of the saddest backstories of two football clubs ever.
And tomorrow they return to Plough Lane. What a journey for the dons. Best r yet to come
Love watching these football clubs stories videos
It was great what the Wimbledon fans did. I have followed them ever since.
I hope the Welly boys still do.
I'm a Montreal Impact and Arsenal supporter and have been for years (IMFC: 10, ARS: 5). I discovered this story about a year or two ago when John Green talked about it and sponsored the club. I just loved how the fans decided that they were going to build back their legacy that was wrongfully stolen from them. The rise of AFC since 2002 has been absolutely crazy. I'm 20, so I'm still young and I have time, but I really wish I see AFC Wimbledon become a Premier League club before I die. Only two promotions to go!
Fuck off yanc. THE WOMBLES HAD NO MONEY THEY MOVED TO MILTON KEYNES! Up the franchise !! ⚪️😘
Good documentary, I'm happy that you stated the drop in attendance in the 90s which was - eventually - the downfall of Wimbledon FC and the opposite with AFC which can now look forward to move back to Merton (the only thing you forgot to mention in your piece).
Thank you to copa, I love your vids
Great documentary!
'To bring a football club to the Buckinghamshire community'
Erm, we already had one. Wycombe Wanderers, bucks number one.
TheTacticalGenius Why didn't he move them to the new stadium?
TheTacticalGenius
poor people of Buckinghamshire then
Wycombe are shite tho
Wycombe ain't the only place in Buckinghamshire though pal, every city deserves a club, no matter how it came about
Wimbledon may be MK Dons, but their heart and soul is with AFC Wimbledon
Wgat a brilliant,insightful analysis. Every word resonated. Well Done !
"What"...
Good info ill.put it in.my football library in my mind...
Dons are going up! And the franchise going down franchise going down!
Michael sure about that?
And now we're going down😭😭
Michael
Michael going down!! 6 well smack you on Saturday Utc
John 87 last place in league one, welcome to league go while we get promoted.
Wimbledon won the FA cup 1-0 in normal time I believe. Although Wimbledon goalkeeper Dave Beasant did save a penalty as well as making a ton of other outstanding saves against a huge Liverpool side and was made man of the match if I remember rightly.
Great video!!!
One of my favourite copa90 videos!
A team for the local Buckinghamshire community? Wycombe Wanderers are in Buckinghamshire and are doing it right. Owned by the fans, for the fans.
If they dropped the "Dons" suffix from their name then fans of every other club might not hate MK so much
Would still hate em
They could go out of the football league and I'd still hate them. They should be relegated to the bottom tier and have to earn their place. Then they wouldn't be hated as much
Wimbledon fans requested that dons stsyed in the name to keep the connection to wimbeldon
They should be called Milton Keynes Town.
@@moho7779 u wot we asked them to remove it and we hate that they still think they're dons. WimbleDON it's blatant identity theft and you all know it
This gave me mad goosebumps
This and the orient video are class. Really makes you think and love football
only 2 teams should be called "the dons".
AFC WIMBLEDON AND ABERDEEN
And Doncaster 🤣
These are the documentaries that I've missed from Copa.
I'll always love and respect all fan powered clubs.
Great story guys!
There are many, many teams with the name 'United', Sheffield United started off as a cricket team in the late 1800's and eventually decided to bring in a football team to replace "The Wednesday', who had relocated to the northern part of Sheffield.
There are so many teams that have followed suit and what's frustrating about that is that when you hear the name 'United' you automatically think of Manchester United. We Blades fans have learned to live with that but many still give a polite reminder that the ORIGINAL United is Sheffield United.
As for MK & Wimbledon - after several generations have passed, maybe it'll just become the norm and everyone will be used to the idea. For now though, it's still fresh in the minds of the Wimbledon fans and I understand their frustration after everything they've been through.
Respekt to Wimbledon and for the Fans Form a Chelsea fan
Dusan Rotar English please
Dusan Rotar *Respect *From
@@ozil8093 he mispelt 2 words that r barely mispelt
Sick channel, wish I'd found it sooner
amazing story lads!
MK Dons possibly about to be a league below AFC Wimbledon now too
don't worry, we will buy another premier league team soon and merge it, the MK HAM DONS
If you are above about 15 and you support MK Dons you are all that is wrong about football
Ben A can't really blame people for living in MK...
Ben A I support Colchester
I don't mind the young fans of MK - it's all they've ever known - but those who turn up in their late 20's who supported Man United till they were 12 or whatever make the club what it is.
Ben A I'm 13 in MK. I knew half of the story but not the full story. Jeeez
Ben A what about the people who live there...
YAY U ARE BACK. YOU ARE MY FAVORITE
great video guys didn't know that
I lived in Milton Keynes during this whole thing. I loved football, played it every day, and played at the only "big clubs" in the area, Rushden and Diamonds (once a league side, now defunct), and Newport Pagnell. This was in the few years before the MK Dons existed.
The thing about Milton Keynes is that nobody is really from here. The city itself was designated as a new city in the 70s. At that time it was a collection of villages. Milton Keynes happened to be the name of the most central village. It was designated a new city since it's roughly equidistant between London and Birmingham. It was built to house the population overspill of those two cities. Football support follows with families. I'm an Arsenal fan because my dad is. My friends are Tottenham fans, Newcastle fans, Aston Villa fans, Chelsea fans for the same reason. I moved to Milton Keynes when I was 8 and left when I was 18. That means I was raised mostly in Milton Keynes, but I never say I'm from Milton Keynes. There's nothing to be proud of, there's no identity to the city.
I'm glad he mentioned the amateur Milton Keynes side in the video, since the way I thought they should have done it was to pump mad money into that team and watch it shoot up the divisions. That could have been something to get behind. The way it played out was an even bigger joke. That's what the team is in Milton Keynes. A big joke. I see more Watford shirts around MK than MK Dons shirts. Let that sink in. A football team is the symbol for a city. They could have gone about it the right way, but instead they imported a team for immediate gains, kind of... they imported a team to make investors happy, who really didn't understand anything about football.
I want to make a correction to the video. The MK Dons played in the National Hockey Stadium for the first 3-4 years of their existence. Just a small stadium, which was very much MK Dons' level. Nothing like the stadium:mk which rivals most Premier League stadiums, with room for 15k more expansion, which will probably never be warranted, because there is no thirst for football that can't be quenched after an hour on a train due south. Football clubs in England were established before and between the wars, when people didn't travel, when nobody but the rich had cars. This is when and how the culture of football was established. I think this is why the sports fan culture is so different between the US and Europe; pro teams in America became big after the war, when people had access to travel. Incidentally, Milton Keynes the city was modeled on Houston, Texas; big city centre, sprawling suburbs, grid design, can't get anywhere without a car; an 80s Conservatives' wet dream. That sums it up; Milton Keynes is a little island of American soil in the middle of England (no offense to Americans). Franchise FC is ridiculed by the residents, but completely at home in Milton Keynes, the cultureless capital of the EU.
Ohfishyfishyfish So MK sucks for just starting to exist. I'm not defending the rubbish way the team came into existence, but towns have to start from somewhere.
Do one about Coventry and their bad owners
UsualTalksTV agreed I'm from Coventry
wow i knew there was rivalry between the two teams, but never understood why, but now i know, thanks copa
Awsome video keep it up
I like this guy. Sounds like a nice guy.
Shame he lies through his arse
Massive respect for Wimbledon from a Pompey fan I heard about your story and what happened to your club it's amazing truly some Loyal fans whoever supports mk dons you're just a traitor tbh it's sick
bruh idc for all this shit i support them because i'm from MK, i was born after all this shite happened, how can i be a traitor when i wasn't even involved in any of it, i was just born into it lol. Wimbledon fans imo are all just butthurt like get over it, we're all doing okay now aren't we? fuck sake its like children arguing over a toy get over it they are just football teams just shut up and enjoy the beautiful game
As a mk fan we all hate Pete winklemen and I think that it's all in the past now
Im happy you could follow my advice by showing your face..good one
Great video. Highlights the rise of both Wimbledon and AFC Wimbledon brilliantly. One small mistake is that MK Dons play in white not red and black which I assume is their away shirt.
What a video
wow so much respect
lower divs in English fooybal is just like old people full of emotions and stories
pretty much every football league is like that
That is 'real' football, what football is all about. I hope to travel one day to the U.K. and visit a Lower League side.
when eli was back with copa90 stories! Amazing
great video UTF
Wimbledon didn't beat Liverpool on penalties!
They won 1-0 (Laurie Sanchez goal), with Dave Beasant saving a John Aldridge penalty.
Im a Leyton Orient supporter and if our Italian owner obliterates us out of existence i'll make AFC Wimbledon my new team. Good on 'em
MrLazyhead I hope it never happens, mate. Callum Kennedy, Dons legend.
Congratulations on getting back into the Football League after ditching the Italian.
Very informative
As a football lover I love these stories
leeds fan here prefer afc Wimbledon than crap mk dons hats of to afc wiimbldon and its fans !
What do Loftus and Speight think
Respect to AFC Wimbledon. Screw MK Dons.
Eli you legend!
Respect to AFC Wimbledon supporters👏
Wycombe Wanderers are the 'Old Bucks Boys' existing for over 110 years before Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes. The Buckinghamshire community all got together to support their small local club, but now MK Dons have ruined that vibe.
Like if you hate MK Dons!
Aww shucks you are looking for likes - that's cute -x-
BigChris1998 Probably a franchise fan...
Customer
Alexander Hamilton He isn’t saying what really happened. Wimbledon were in huge trouble, they were bankrupt and were either going to dissolve and disappear or move. So instead of dying out and going completely, the owners (who by the way you should’ve supported or blamed this all on) decided to agree to move. And instead of supporting your club and being loyal, all of your fans made there own team which is why mk was made and they changed their name
Coventry City is more closer to Milton Keynes then Wycombe .
Haha finished above you in 2017!!
Wow... My PE teacher use to be Assistant coach of AK Dons. 2006-2011.
Struggle defines a football fan, you can pick whichever club you support but if you don't support them during their struggles then you were never a fan in the first place. Wimbledon fans are a fine example of that. "Risen from the ashes to defy all odds, in such a manner that will surprise all gods." May God always bless Wimbledon in all of its endeavors.
*Pint raise from an Everton supporter*
Wimbledon got majorly fucked over and I have never agreed with the whole Milton Keynes Dons thing so that's why I have all the time in the world for AFC Wimbledon. I even played with them on FIFA once, took them all the way from league two to the premier league.
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I didn't know how MK Dons formed.. But now that I do, I do question my love for the club
They've officially renounced any claim to the identity of the the Wimbledon FC club. The only thing left is to change the name.
Gr8 video
Damn i'm gonna watch this game
My dad used to live in Milton Keynes, I watched the 4-0 win in the stadium against United, which was the first match I watched in stadium, mk dons will always have a place in my heart
And the crowd goes mild
Bro after the whole video you just watched surely you at least question your "heart" at MK . It sickens me.
@@yodamarmite9701 I'm not an mk dons fan lol, it's just a fond memory of mine, it's really not that deep
MK ARMY !!!
impressing story
I remember going to Plough Lane with my dad in the late 1970s. I dont live in London anymore but I have visited AFC ground in Kingston. I really admire what the fans have done. Really hope to see them back soon in Plough Lane, a wrong will have finally been righted.
matthew coombs plough lane is no more mate sadly
@@henrypayne9273look now.
Nice piece but as a lifelong Womble, I must point out a couple of inaccuracies. Wimbledon beat liverpool 1-0 in 1988 NOT on penalties (I should know, I was there!). Also, AFC held trials on Clapham common, NOT Wimbledon common. Granted, these were probably slips of the tongue but, well, you know.. PS. Elizabeth Beresford wouldn't even let MK Don's use the term Wombles! Way to go Lizzie!!!
Sutton UNITED FAN HERE I SAY AFC WIMBLEDON REAL WOMBLES
As a Wimbledon supporter of nearly 40 years who was there throughout I'd say that's a very neatly put together 8 minute summary. Nice job. one correction though: 1:38 "Beating one of the best Liverpool sides to win the FA Cup on penalties". Wimbledon beat Liverpool 1-0 in the 1988 cup final. The only penalty was during normal time.
What a story!