people need to realize that the 4.0l 5 speed is the reason whyyyyyy the 4runner is so awesome. RELIABILITY. Meat and potatos, tried and true transmission. It's a Sport UTILITY vehicle. Remember what that's actually supposed to mean....? Thank God Toyota still does with the Runner.
Casey Cloeter EXACTLY!! The Tacoma with the 4.0 and 5 speed was crazy reliable and now the 3.5 and 6 speed are having problems. 4runners are used for outdoor enthusiasts and overlanders and for that reason it needs to be kept simple for reliability
Casey Cloeter I hope Toyota doesn't give the 4Runner the Tacoma's 3.5 engine. As I heard it's sluggish that's why people have asked for tunes to make it less sluggish. If anything update the 4.0 give it more HP and TQ and a 6 speed auto if that's possible? They'll probably give it a 3.5 V6 with a 6 speed with more HP and TQ than it already has. Just a thought.
I really wanted a new Taco until I started reading all the complaints about the 3.5. I drove one, and had to check to make sure I wasn't driving with the parking brake on. VERY sluggish. I now want a 4R, because of the drivetrain.
I love these off-road reviews. I lament the lack of off-road reviews with crossovers and SUV's. You're one of the few channels who does this with a bit more often than others, thanks for uploading!
Got a 2017 Outback 3.6 today and to be honest I'm think on trading for a 4Runner TRD like that... Just afraid they come up with something new and better next year... It's old, we can't deny it
everyone goes through this realization after research. first they buy into 'subaru's can go anywhere'. you poke around and realize...oh wait...no they actually cant. then u try to learn about mechanics of off road. eventually all things point to the 4runner.
Skillow The 4Runner probably won't change (aka go into the 6th Generation) till 2020. The TRD is pretty pricey. I think the TRD Off-Road (previously known as the Trail) is the sweet spot for the 4Runner lineup. Can't really go wrong with any trim though.
@Mctrician2 Looks are subjective and while the hood scoop is non-functional, I like the way it looks. And like the look of the Trail/Off-Road better than the SR5. The SR5 wheels do nothing for me while I've always been a fan of the modern FJ wheels. If you're into JUST modding, then yes, the SR5 is the way to go. KDSS is optionable but I wish I would have went for it given the amount of driving I do on-road (pre-Coronavirus that is). The difference between a 4x4 SR5 and 4x4 Trail was not big enough for me avoid moving up a trim especially since I didn't care for the Premium package and the Trail that I go was a leftover (I bought mine brand new in June 2017). The Trail/Off-Road is the 4Runner but it isn't for everyone.
@Mctrician2 Ah. I see I see. Yea, I live outside of Philadelphia, so having 4x2 wouldn't make sense. They do sell like hot cakes down in the southern states of America. Yea, based on those options, I'd probably save up to get the TRD Off-Road but definitely can see why people wouldn't want it up in Canada.
The difference between the LR4 and the 4Runner: When you got high centered, the LR4 would recognize this and automatically raise the suspension to super extended mode giving you 13.5" of ground clearance under the skid plate.
What I don't like about the 4 Runner is the long wheel base. The FJ's dimensions is more offroad buggy like and is so much more nimble in the tight trails. Aside from that the Offroad Features CRAWL CONTROL of the TRD Pro is superior to the FJ. Did they not offer that crawl system in one year of the FJ tho?
Can't compete with the Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, 2" more ground clearance smaller 3.6 ltr engine with more HP and better mileage, 8 speed auto, all around better on and off road
paula hall No, it is not. The Inferno color was only available in 2015 as an exclusive color for the 4runner TRD PRO trim. www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/5th-gen-t4rs/129071d1409634346-2015-brochure-has-been-released-4runner_ebrochure.pdf
Offered on the "Halo" vehicle yet not offered on the TRD Pro. Arguably the most "off-road" ready vehicle Toyota offers does not include the KDSS. Including the "halo" car. Sure.
If you get the Limited version with full time AWD, does it have those same mogul and crawl control features? Can you just swap out the wheels and tires to do just as well with it?
No. The Limited does not have crawl control nor terrain select. It also doesn't have a rear locker. It does however have a center locker and A-trac. If you swap out the tires the Limited is still a beast and able to handle 95% of the trails most people would want to go on. Also full time AWD should not be confused with what the Limited has which is full time 4WD. They are different systems.
I don't understand how this video gives us a view of the truck running this course. We watch two people talking about doing something, but then never show us what they're talking about. This makes absolutely no sense.
So many computer controlled features that it seems to take the challenge and fun out of off-roading. The more advanced the 4X4's get the more aftermarket add-ons come to market (think rooftop tents) that will never be used by the posers who buy these rigs.
J Smith couldn't agree with you more. I have the Trail Premium and came to quickly understand that the crawl and terrain controls are nothing but a gimic and truly aren't needed. I've used them two or three times, kicked myself for buying the model which had them and have never used them again. The downhill control is easily accomplished by 4 wheel low instead of relieing on the loud and annoying system to control the speed.
j burggg actually yes you do. You don't have to engage the systems and in some cases can even turn off certain systems. I find the crawl and terrain controls annoying and truly overrated so I stopped using them all together and have been much happier without them. Nothing but a complete and total gimic.
It's there if you need it. That's like saying "I don't need a spotter when I bench because I know what I'm doing." I've had multiple instances where I've been like "Eh I'm pretty sure I'll get stuck if I try to go there," went, got stuck just using 4L, and crawl control got me out like I was on pavement. It allows drivers (especially those new to offroading) to try things they otherwise would be hesitant to risk.
Chris Dooley that 3.5 thats in the Tacoma will more than likely make its way into the 4Runner in the future. however the torque numbers will need to be bumped significantly! I had the 16 Tacoma (traded for the 4runner after 13 months of ownership) and that motor would not be pleasant as it currently sits...
I want one but the Land Cruiser is easier to drive, cheaper to own, has better millage and is not the size of a house. The Land Cruiser may not be as roomy but you can do 40mph on deep snow and still have insane grip.
dear TOYOTA if you really wanna test your new SUV, give it to real off road driver who doesn't ask or need crawl control or goes to some man made off road park. Great vehicle, stupid tests
When the manufacturer is sitting next to you in a test vehicle, you ALWAYS ask before going off the prescribed trail. Its the mfg rep's responsibility to bring the vehicles back with no damage. And if damage occurs, the driver needs to be in the clear. It's not a matter of ability, but a matter of proper behavior. Not everyone can afford to replace broken vehicles like Top Gear.
REAL4wd couldn't agree with you more. Nothing about the course seems that significant. Although I have this car and it is anything but great. Have had nothing but problems with mine.
@@thelegendbullet937 electronics, persistent dash squeaks, drivers side of moon roof rebuilt twice due to squeaking, drivers side front wheel well rebuilt twice due to air whistling caused by loose parts, a light that doesn't go off on the dash, horrible paint quality and durability, infotainment system replaced 4 times and still doesn't work, dash screen doesn't consistently turn on or only half displays, windshield glass pits easily, can't tell any performance difference between 2 and 4 wheel drive, easily stuck in more than about 6 inches of snow, and at times the backend will slide out to the passenger side without warning. Poor construction quality, mediocre performance without significant upgrades. Have driven a 4-Runner since 1998. If you're thinking about getting one don't waste your money on a 5th gen buy a 2nd or 3rd gen instead as they are far superior compared to the 5th gens. Hope that answers your questions
@@blackdiamond5015 You definitely got a lemon. 99% of these trucks are indestructible like tanks. You are ABSOLUTELY in the extreme minority with your complaints. It would be very difficult to find that many owners who would agree with you.
There is nothing "bad ass" about this "station wagon". Horrible ground clearance and skid plates easily damaged due to low clearance. It's easy to think this car is rugged and reliable when there is nothing in this class of car to compare it with. If there was you would realize how pathetic it really is. I have this car and have had nothing but problems with it. If you want something capable buy a 2nd or 3rd generation version as they are awesome. The 5th generation is a complete waste of money, poor quality, incapable without costly modifications and unreliable. The dealership knows me by my first due to the number of times the "fragile butterfly" has been in for issues. Would not recommend this "go to the grocery on a sunny day family station wagon".
Vin Ramirez nope just someone who has driven a 4-Runner for 21 straight years and after buying the Trial Premium a very dissatisfied customer who doesn't understand why all the hype about this over rated under performing car.
people need to realize that the 4.0l 5 speed is the reason whyyyyyy the 4runner is so awesome. RELIABILITY. Meat and potatos, tried and true transmission. It's a Sport UTILITY vehicle. Remember what that's actually supposed to mean....? Thank God Toyota still does with the Runner.
Casey Cloeter EXACTLY!! The Tacoma with the 4.0 and 5 speed was crazy reliable and now the 3.5 and 6 speed are having problems. 4runners are used for outdoor enthusiasts and overlanders and for that reason it needs to be kept simple for reliability
Casey Cloeter I hope Toyota doesn't give the 4Runner the Tacoma's 3.5 engine. As I heard it's sluggish that's why people have asked for tunes to make it less sluggish. If anything update the 4.0 give it more HP and TQ and a 6 speed auto if that's possible? They'll probably give it a 3.5 V6 with a 6 speed with more HP and TQ than it already has. Just a thought.
I really wanted a new Taco until I started reading all the complaints about the 3.5. I drove one, and had to check to make sure I wasn't driving with the parking brake on. VERY sluggish. I now want a 4R, because of the drivetrain.
Truth!!! People who complain about this should get a Lexus or a minivan
I love these off-road reviews. I lament the lack of off-road reviews with crossovers and SUV's. You're one of the few channels who does this with a bit more often than others, thanks for uploading!
You can use the Multi Terrain System (MTS) in the Light/Mud snow mode only, in high range 4WD also.
Need more video outside of the truck.
"9.6 inches, can't beat it"
That's what she said...literally.
Giggity!
Yeah, my clearance is 9 inches even so it has me beat😄
nice review, nice car, too bad there aren't that many outside cameras to actually see the car in action.
Funny to watch this now that you have a 2021 TRDOR. Lol
They are certainly badass.
Got a 2017 Outback 3.6 today and to be honest I'm think on trading for a 4Runner TRD like that... Just afraid they come up with something new and better next year... It's old, we can't deny it
Skillow id get the current 4Runner. I believe the new ones will have a 3.5 and new tranny. I like the 4.0 and 5 speed combo
everyone goes through this realization after research. first they buy into 'subaru's can go anywhere'. you poke around and realize...oh wait...no they actually cant. then u try to learn about mechanics of off road. eventually all things point to the 4runner.
Skillow The 4Runner probably won't change (aka go into the 6th Generation) till 2020. The TRD is pretty pricey. I think the TRD Off-Road (previously known as the Trail) is the sweet spot for the 4Runner lineup. Can't really go wrong with any trim though.
@Mctrician2 Looks are subjective and while the hood scoop is non-functional, I like the way it looks. And like the look of the Trail/Off-Road better than the SR5. The SR5 wheels do nothing for me while I've always been a fan of the modern FJ wheels. If you're into JUST modding, then yes, the SR5 is the way to go. KDSS is optionable but I wish I would have went for it given the amount of driving I do on-road (pre-Coronavirus that is). The difference between a 4x4 SR5 and 4x4 Trail was not big enough for me avoid moving up a trim especially since I didn't care for the Premium package and the Trail that I go was a leftover (I bought mine brand new in June 2017). The Trail/Off-Road is the 4Runner but it isn't for everyone.
@Mctrician2 Ah. I see I see. Yea, I live outside of Philadelphia, so having 4x2 wouldn't make sense. They do sell like hot cakes down in the southern states of America. Yea, based on those options, I'd probably save up to get the TRD Off-Road but definitely can see why people wouldn't want it up in Canada.
I thought MTS was for like sand/snow and the described driving modes and ATRAC was for slower, more technical stuff....
She mentioned the inverse.
The difference between the LR4 and the 4Runner: When you got high centered, the LR4 would recognize this and automatically raise the suspension to super extended mode giving you 13.5" of ground clearance under the skid plate.
fredbrackely or just throw on a mid travel kit from icon or total chaos on a very reliable and budget friendly Toyota.
if the suspension still works.
The difference between the LR4 and the 4Runner: The 4Runner still works.
The difference is one is $20,000 more
I love Toyota 4 runner and ride up hill off road
What I don't like about the 4 Runner is the long wheel base. The FJ's dimensions is more offroad buggy like and is so much more nimble in the tight trails. Aside from that the Offroad Features CRAWL CONTROL of the TRD Pro is superior to the FJ. Did they not offer that crawl system in one year of the FJ tho?
Can't compete with the Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, 2" more ground clearance smaller 3.6 ltr engine with more HP and better mileage, 8 speed auto, all around better on and off road
What about demo of the locking rear differential ? on that terrain ? I would have thought it would have been of use.
We have other 4Runner episodes that do that.
This “off road” course is pretty silly.
I feel like grabbing this guy and yelling “just drive the fucking course!” That would defeat the purpose of the video though😀
I hate how she is overly schooling him. He knows what he is doing.
Is Toyota 4 runner still available in the inferno orange
paula hall No, it is not. The Inferno color was only available in 2015 as an exclusive color for the 4runner TRD PRO trim.
www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/5th-gen-t4rs/129071d1409634346-2015-brochure-has-been-released-4runner_ebrochure.pdf
when you lift the 4Runner with new shocks and springs does it mess up the KDSS?
Adam Lafferty I think so bc people just remove it when doing a lift on the GX470
44 grands nice price for this suv
Vittorio Antonio S. Alex how price
Offered on the "Halo" vehicle yet not offered on the TRD Pro. Arguably the most "off-road" ready vehicle Toyota offers does not include the KDSS. Including the "halo" car. Sure.
If you get the Limited version with full time AWD, does it have those same mogul and crawl control features? Can you just swap out the wheels and tires to do just as well with it?
No. The Limited does not have crawl control nor terrain select. It also doesn't have a rear locker. It does however have a center locker and A-trac. If you swap out the tires the Limited is still a beast and able to handle 95% of the trails most people would want to go on. Also full time AWD should not be confused with what the Limited has which is full time 4WD. They are different systems.
Why you get a Limited and turn this great truck into a soccer mom car?
Xtras found in the limited is premium.
Buy the car and change the tires and the suspension kit
I don't understand how this video gives us a view of the truck running this course. We watch two people talking about doing something, but then never show us what they're talking about. This makes absolutely no sense.
Don't want to go off track here but some part of their conversation sounded like sex talk.
Denzil Khine Yup, He probably got some TRD Offroad Head on the whoops
So that means im a typical suv that was abandoned in air, since 4runners came along with Hilux Body chassis like me
lol the irony since youre created for third world countries
4runners have the land cruiser prado frame. its stronger than the hilux frame.
Si quieren me regalan esa de prueba que se ensució mucho.
If they give the truck hid/led lights i would definitely buy one.
shallpion no you wouldn't because those are relatively inexpensive to exchange/replace
THAT is what stops you from getting one? I just bought one and did it myself for a couple hundred bucks
Lol wtf just put them on yourself dummy
10:32 thats what she said
Toyota girl is babe
So many computer controlled features that it seems to take the challenge and fun out of off-roading. The more advanced the 4X4's get the more aftermarket add-ons come to market (think rooftop tents) that will never be used by the posers who buy these rigs.
um, you do have a choice to NOT use those computer controlled features.
J Smith couldn't agree with you more. I have the Trail Premium and came to quickly understand that the crawl and terrain controls are nothing but a gimic and truly aren't needed. I've used them two or three times, kicked myself for buying the model which had them and have never used them again. The downhill control is easily accomplished by 4 wheel low instead of relieing on the loud and annoying system to control the speed.
j burggg actually yes you do. You don't have to engage the systems and in some cases can even turn off certain systems. I find the crawl and terrain controls annoying and truly overrated so I stopped using them all together and have been much happier without them. Nothing but a complete and total gimic.
Yeah however ATRAC is a lifesaver, especially if you have a model without the locking rear diff
It's there if you need it. That's like saying "I don't need a spotter when I bench because I know what I'm doing." I've had multiple instances where I've been like "Eh I'm pretty sure I'll get stuck if I try to go there," went, got stuck just using 4L, and crawl control got me out like I was on pavement. It allows drivers (especially those new to offroading) to try things they otherwise would be hesitant to risk.
take these reviews to OURAY COLORADO and then talk to me....That girl is BAD ASS though
Why we need so many systems , is not a playstation..
because fat white people and softies need help in everything. haven't u ever been on a cruise?
Only 270hp from a 4.0 liter V6? Shame Toyota doesn't retune their new V6 in the Camry that makes 301hp. A vehicle that big needs more grunt imho🙁
Chris Dooley that 3.5 thats in the Tacoma will more than likely make its way into the 4Runner in the future. however the torque numbers will need to be bumped significantly! I had the 16 Tacoma (traded for the 4runner after 13 months of ownership) and that motor would not be pleasant as it currently sits...
Chris Dooley I'll take the 4.0 and 5 speed, look at what happened to the Tacoma with the 3.5 and 6speed. Ruined he truck
Toyota needs to bring diesel options to these vehicles to the U.S.
No toyota need to drop in the v8
They put the Camry v6 into the new tacomas with less hp and it’s a fucking pig
I want one but the Land Cruiser is easier to drive, cheaper to own, has better millage and is not the size of a house. The Land Cruiser may not be as roomy but you can do 40mph on deep snow and still have insane grip.
Gotta Eat All The Breads The land cruiser can cost over 100k and is an enormous vehicle so you must be talking about a different vehicle.
Yeah what the fuck are you talking about? The Land Cruiser is bigger, has a V8, and costs 90k+ new.
wtf? you must be living in bizarro world to think that
This guy is a TOOL!
dear TOYOTA if you really wanna test your new SUV, give it to real off road driver who doesn't ask or need crawl control or goes to some man made off road park. Great vehicle, stupid tests
When the manufacturer is sitting next to you in a test vehicle, you ALWAYS ask before going off the prescribed trail. Its the mfg rep's responsibility to bring the vehicles back with no damage. And if damage occurs, the driver needs to be in the clear. It's not a matter of ability, but a matter of proper behavior. Not everyone can afford to replace broken vehicles like Top Gear.
REAL4wd couldn't agree with you more. Nothing about the course seems that significant. Although I have this car and it is anything but great. Have had nothing but problems with mine.
@@blackdiamond5015 What problems exactly?
@@thelegendbullet937 electronics, persistent dash squeaks, drivers side of moon roof rebuilt twice due to squeaking, drivers side front wheel well rebuilt twice due to air whistling caused by loose parts, a light that doesn't go off on the dash, horrible paint quality and durability, infotainment system replaced 4 times and still doesn't work, dash screen doesn't consistently turn on or only half displays, windshield glass pits easily, can't tell any performance difference between 2 and 4 wheel drive, easily stuck in more than about 6 inches of snow, and at times the backend will slide out to the passenger side without warning. Poor construction quality, mediocre performance without significant upgrades. Have driven a 4-Runner since 1998. If you're thinking about getting one don't waste your money on a 5th gen buy a 2nd or 3rd gen instead as they are far superior compared to the 5th gens. Hope that answers your questions
@@blackdiamond5015 You definitely got a lemon. 99% of these trucks are indestructible like tanks. You are ABSOLUTELY in the extreme minority with your complaints. It would be very difficult to find that many owners who would agree with you.
There is nothing "bad ass" about this "station wagon". Horrible ground clearance and skid plates easily damaged due to low clearance. It's easy to think this car is rugged and reliable when there is nothing in this class of car to compare it with. If there was you would realize how pathetic it really is. I have this car and have had nothing but problems with it. If you want something capable buy a 2nd or 3rd generation version as they are awesome. The 5th generation is a complete waste of money, poor quality, incapable without costly modifications and unreliable. The dealership knows me by my first due to the number of times the "fragile butterfly" has been in for issues. Would not recommend this "go to the grocery on a sunny day family station wagon".
sure thing bud.
lol then trade it in, you must work for Chetty
Vin Ramirez Imagine you're with Toyota...
Vin Ramirez nope just someone who has driven a 4-Runner for 21 straight years and after buying the Trial Premium a very dissatisfied customer who doesn't understand why all the hype about this over rated under performing car.
@@blackdiamond5015 try watching jason koertge and overland expedition channels here in youtube.