PS2 Video Output Misconceptions & How To Improve Image Quality - theaffroshow
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- In today's video, I discuss the misconceptions people have about the PS2's video output, the issues with deinterlacing standard PS2 Video & I also explain the differences between four video cable types:
Composite
S-Video
RGB SCART
Component
If you are having issues with PS2 video output or simply trying to get it to display on a modern display, this is the video for you!
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Chapters
0:00 - I've Had A PS2 For 22 Years
0:39 - Trying To Answer Video Misconceptions
1:07 - Brief History With PS2 & CRT TVs & Cable Types
2:56 - Composite Explained
4:24 - S-Video Explained
5:12 - RGB SCART Explained
6:42 - Component Explained
8:13 - System Configuration Warning
9:23 - PAL PS2 Games Got 480p Support BUT
10:11 - How To Access 480P Or 60hz In Selected Titles
11:32 - PS2 Using Interlaced Video & What To Do With Deinterlacing
14:09 - Using FreeMCBoot To Boost Output Resolutions
15:18 - Aspect Ratios Are Worth Considering
16:20 - Always Try To Buy Good Video Cables
17:30 - Conclusion
#theaffroshow #ps2 #playstation2
This is a video I've wanted to make for ages! I hope it helps you get the best out of your PS2!
A point I did not make in the video was the flicker filter settings which some games called it anti aliasing!
This will put a blur or bilinear filter on the screen & it will reduce image sharpness! If the game looks blurrier than normal, check the options in the game you are playing to see if this feature is turned on! Turn it off & the image will look sharper!
I've also seen it dubbed as soft (flicker filter on) or sharp (flicker filter off) Silent Hill 3 & Tekken 5 are examples of this! The feature might be hidden as it is in Silent Hill 3!
Hope this helps improve your PS2 video output!
Great video! It’s been almost 15 years since I last played PS2, but getting back into it has been great. There’s so much support videos out there to make the gaming experience so much better. Thanks!
Retro gaming has really ballooned up in the past 8 years & now knowledge of the consoles, their capabilities, changing Displays & modding systems along with the Internet & UA-cam has made returning to these platforms easier than ever before!
An awesome video mate 😄👍👍 I very recently started using a PS2 with official Sony PS3 era Component cable for the first time ever and the difference between that and the standardised Composite cable is definitely a major step up in terms of overall picture clarity and quality. 🎮📀
The difference is gigantic:)
It seems a lot of people have still stuck with Composite after all these years so, videos like this need to be made so those who simply do not know can see you can indeed improve video quality on older consoles :)
This is the best Video I have seen so far on the subject. Thanks a lot !
Glad I could help you & any time 😊
I love how knowledagble you are with all these topics! I would never really watch any kind of videos like these, but you make it interesting and entertaining to watch! I sadly never owned a PS2, but eventually bought myself a PS4, but I lost it to someone in the past. My brother thankfully gave me his PS4 so I could still play games thankfully :D
It is something that has interested me for years & especially with PAL systems, this aspect is not well documented!
I feel someone needs to put it out there & I'm glad it is me :)
I never owned the PS4 myself but I have the PS5 😁😁
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Oh wow, is the PS5 any good? I hope to one day get one myself :)
@kimshaw1988 I've had it since launch in the UK :) So going on four years this November & definitely! I love it & its Dualsense Controller 😁😁
Good video bro. I like how you speak too very easy to understand an you take your time explaining stuff. Very nice bro. Your information helpd me
Glad I was able to help & I appreciate the kind words :D
Incredible info in this video!!!
Anything to help others, I was in the same spot some years ago, hope this helps :)
For me the best option is undoubtedly RGB on CRT, that's where the PS2 shines, honestly I've never been interested in upscalers because you might as well use an emulator if you want to go up in resolution at 0 cost. Another option I have had the opportunity to test in recent years is the VGA output of the PS2, but which is limited by the low compatibility of games (officially it can only be used with the Linux Kit) and by finding a CRT monitor - I don't take LCDs into consideration 😆- that is compatible with the RGsB signal. I modified a PS2 to have an RGBHV signal when in VGA mode to be able to use it with my monitor and it's simply beautiful! 😍
I love emulation & I do enjoy my OSSC upscaler, it is now vital because new tvs no longer have analogue inputs & without the upscaler I couldn't play my real hardware :)
I have heard about the VGA on PS2 but those kits are so rare & only found a listing once on Ebay xD
I personally love my 4K display with the OSSC because the upscaler helps the games to look good & it is my first time experiencing 480p supported games :)
Ultimately this is my opinion however, because your CRT supports RGB, the image must be amazing! Definitely well ahead of Composite!
I have the official S-Video psone cable from Japan in 2019, image is very good.
It works quite well on the PS2.
If the game doesn't utilise 480p Via RGB or Component, S-Video is a good way to play PS1 or PS2 games on the PS2 :) I like using it but it is difficult when my OSSC doesn't have an S-Video port so I always use RGB :)
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I regret not buying an original component cable in the 2000s era .
I would have had a good cable!
@sithounetsith9877 RGB SCART is cheaper & the quality is the same, it is an alternative that's worth looking for, especially from Retro Gaming Cables :)
There is definitely alot of mileage to be found from forcing 480p or1080i on games through either Xploder HDTV Player or GS Mode Selector. I would advise doing that, and pairing up the system with a high quality video scaler (i.e. Mike Chi's RetroTink 5X Pro), since that'll give you additional picture control, including further scaling options, besides other niceties like scanlines and masks.
Don't forget most people will never do these things unlike us & sadly the Tink 5x is very expensive so the OSSC I use is a worthwhile alternative:)
GS mode selector is great when it works & I know it was updated a few years ago but it's not an absolute fix :) Also there's still not much choice on the PAL games that don't support 60hz, GS mode selector still only offers 576p for PAL 50hz titles, bit limiting!
Which one of these cable options would you prefer for recording PS2 gameplay? Also which one(s) work best together with capture cards, like the one from Elgato? Thank you!
I personally own an Elgato HD60s Plus, which all the gameplay footage from the OSSC was recorded onto :)
The other upscaler was an Retroscaler 2x, used when I showed off S-Video & Composite:)
In terms of video quality from the PS2, RGB SCART or Component are the best although S-Video is a good shout as well :)
If a game has 480p support, using Component or RGB SCART with an RGsB supported upscaler (Like OSSC) or display will work nicely:)
After that, the upscaler you use will be a factor if you need one, like myself as I have no analogue inputs on my TV or displays :)
A good starting one would be the Retrotink 2x or the Retroscaler x2, a knock off product :)
The OSSC I use is more expensive but a fantastic upscaler that can upres the lower resolution output by quite a bit :)
Hope this helps! Also, I highly recommend using OBS for recording as it is flexible & can see many odd resolutions outputs unlike Elgato's own software!
I've got pretty much every cable possible for the PS2! I bought an S-Video cable back in the early 2000's (can't remember where from, but I don't think I imported it and it was way before Amazon was a thing here, so don't know how I got one). On a CRT it really is the best option, it made the games really come to life. Don't know what it'd be like on a HDTV as I don't think I have one on any of the telly's in the house, might check the Bravia later if I remember. Official Sony component works well enough on my 32" upstairs TV, but I expect it'd break down on the bigger one downstairs. I did buy a kit some years ago that has a component set (didn't need it!) and some DVD that was supposed to upscale the picture, but that was useless. Still, now I have two component cables! I don't know if we'll ever really get to a point where PS2 looks as good on HDTV as it did on CRT.
A lot of people seem to have S-Video cables, which is very interesting! From the UK, this cable was not common & Composite or SCART were our dominant cable types :)
A lot of people seem keen on CRT & I'm lucky to have the OSSC upscaler which helps my retro games remain nice on even 4K displays but I do understand why many people say CRTs are best :)
I'll always prefer HDTVs but that's just me :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Ah, sorry, I meant in the past tense, I no longer have a CRT. I kept my 32" Panasonic I got in 2003 all the way up to 2012, but I had to let it go (for free! Argh!) because we had to move into a smaller house and I couldn't take it with me. 😭 Now I have a 32" JVC HDTV. I was just remissing on the "Good old days tm". 😁
I'm in the UK, no idea how I got the cable. Might have imported it from Amazon US as I used to buy a lot from there back then.
Great piece of information in this video. I owned PS2 years ago and sold it. I have found silver, fat one for £30 on carboot sale yesterday and I'm coming back to old games now. I have component mini input in my tv. Will I loose any video quality if i use component to component mini adapter? It's hard to find any information online specific to this subject. Cheers.
Unfortunately I actually do not know about this, if it is a passthrough adapter I assume you wouldn't but I cannot say for sure :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay no worries, I'll have to test it myself.
Oh I forgot there’s full option too in the game so any difference with 16:9?
Awesome video like always mate! i just got an old lg tv from 2005 and it comes with two scarts inputs. im looking now to buy a good scart to try for my ps1/ps2. ive read something about them having to be sync on luma? at least for the ps2, ps1 seems to be ok with any scart cable. i own the amazing odv upsacaller thanks to you of course but now with this old tv i much prefer to play retro consoles there! im on the hunt for a sega saturn! i know that uses s-video. i will keep posted! take care mate!
I'm glad I hope you enjoy the experience:)
Actually no, a good scart cable can be sync on Composite too (The Sony Official RGB SCART Cable seen in this video has that) but if you are looking for a new cheap great SCART cable, Retro Gaming Cables has them & yes those are sync on luma :)
They will have one for PS1 & PS2 since PS2 cables require capacitors within the cable to look their best :)
I love the Sega Saturn, one of my favourite consoles & that also supports RGB SCART cables as well :) Definitely recommend S-Video or RGB for that system!
@@TheAffroShowGameplay awesome thanx for replying so fast! i will listen to your advice and NOT get a cheap scart from aliexpress i will buy the one on Retro Gaming Cables. i saw your sega saturn vid and i thought that s video looked incredible on the sega saturn. i will write you as soon as i have my saturn. always wanted one but my dad got me a ps1 instead :) love your vids i keep coming back! this old tv i got is amazing, 2 scarts,1 component,1 rgb,1 svideo and even 1 vga input is increidlbe!!. take care mate!!
I look forward to the update but, I do strongly suggest getting SCART for the Saturn as quality S-Video cables are hard to find but quality SCART cables are easy :D
@@TheAffroShowGameplay i had no idea! thank you overy much for the tip! i wil try to get a scart as first choice for the saturn! have a good weekend!
Good vid. Ps2 is a funny one. Like a few watching this i have numerous rgb scart cables from a well known uk company. My other systems rgb scart cables through a retrotink 2x scart to modern tv, flawless. Set up the ps2 the same way and theres some minor flickering top and bottom of image. Grr. Only way to fix I’ve found is to take the tv out of ‘game’ mode which creates so much lag games are not fun.
It sounds like the overscan area that CRTs had & of course using HDMI TVs see it differently:)
Funnily enough, on my OSSC, I do not have this problem on the PS2 using my 4K TV buy I've seen it crop up on original XBOX, odd indeed!
I have a modern monitor. Would you suggest component cable into an hdmi converter and the hdmi cable into the monitor? Or would you suggest another way? Thanks
You could do this, but this means your monitor has to deinterlace 480i/576i for most PS2 games & if it can, the experience using a good component cable should work :)
If not, get an upscaler like the Retrotink 2x, Retroscaler 2x or a RAD2x cable :)
The OSSC I use is also recommended!
Thank you for the reply. How can I find out if my monitor can deinterlace? I'm a bit new to all this 😅
If it's a TV the display will automatically do it as it has one built in :)
As for monitors I assume the same thing would happen but if not, you'd either need to use software like OBS which has several options (Yadif 2x I'd recommend or Retro which is bob deinterlacing) :)
Or perhaps video players like QuickTime which can double as video input solutions might have this too although OBS is more flexible :)
What if my crt has component, svideo but doesn't support 480p, which should i use?
If 480p is not supported, use Component as that has higher image quality than S-Video :)
Elegato hd looks good from your video but what devices and aspect ratio did you use?
If you watched the video you'll see it says the cable used & the output resolution:)
Any game with black bars on the sides are 4:3 & games that fill the screen are 16:9 games, it is all in the video:)
I used the OSSC to upscale all the footage seen in this video using mostly RGB SCART or Component cables :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay I am sorry to disturb you every time it’s just like I said I am not a technical person of video games and tv but ps2 is my no.1 favourite and when I heard that modern TVs look horrible for ps2, my heart sank. I spent all my money entirely on ps2 to revive my gaming memories since my brother who used to play with me back in the day died 6 years ago.
@inderjeetuppal6462 Again I understand your concerns but most people used Composite & not quality cables like Component or RGB :)
My videos look good because I know what it takes to make PS2 games look good on real hardware while acknowledging the limitations:)
I've told & shown you everything you need so you just have to get them or use emulation instead :) Just enjoy the experience:)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay any opinions on composite brother? Sorry to be a pain.
@inderjeetuppal6462 My opinion on Composite is in this very video or you can watch how it compares to other cables on my second channel Affro's Curiosities Official :)
Do you have the original xbox also, I got one modded wirh a Tsop custom bios and modded good component cable , awwsome to play Halo!!
I love retro consoles , really reminds when I was in my 16s back then!
I do actually, I have a video showing off the video quality when using flicker filters on & off when modded :)
I also have an upcoming video showing it off with Component video :)
Ah I'm not a Halo fan, I prefer the enhanced games on the platform though :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay wow nice bro
@@sithounetsith9877 Thank you :)
Could you make a video about how to get true 240p and 480i using crt emu driver? People say id need a signal convertor from hmdi/vga to component or svideo, but i don't know which one i should really buy exactly.
Unfortunately I don't own a CRT & I don't have any of that equipment, my channel focuses on HDMI solutions :)
You'll have to Google it or find a channel which deals with CRTs :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplayi understand, if you have an idea could you please link me the correct device to buy that's available on amazon?
I used some devices but they were not what i needed, because they're forced to output a fuzzy downscaled 480i no matter what. Thank you.
I also would like to note, that in my personal experience, composite has washed out pale colors, i never noticed this in the past only when i used a component cable for the first time 3 weeks ago. And have always thought that colors looked good on my trinitron
If I ever see anything I'll let you know but I'm truly not the best person for this :)
Ah just goes to show you how much definition you can gain with Component or RGB SCART because the image signal is much clearer & cleaner :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay thank you, your video was interesting, because people on reddit have always said that rgb scart gives the best quality. But your video proves it's the other way around and kinda made me feel better because my crt tv doesn't have a scart input even though it's a pal tv.
@@zombiedeutsch My video proves both look the same :)
The only reason RGB looked slightly worse here was because I was using a cable designed for PS1, not PS2 :)
Good Component cables & RGB SCART Cables built with PS2 in mind look the same :)
fmcb, opl, gsm 1080i mode, widescreen patches. the aspect ratio has to be adjusted. i only have component but your scart images are sexy
Yes, these mods & patches will change how the picture is shown on PS2 but if you have the means, use the tools to your advantage :)
I use RGB SCART from either Retro Gaming Cables or the Sony Official RGB SCART cables but they cost a fortune so use Retro Gaming Cables if you want nice, affordable RGB SCART cables for PS2 :)
Does wwe games in ps2 have anamorphic widescreen? Reason is because I own wwe svr 2006 and I haven started playing it due to right upscalers and cables for clear images.
I don't own them all, I know 2007 RAW has 16:9 support but you'll have to check online or just boot up the game & check the options :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay ok bet my favourite games only ps2 are hulk 2003 and svr 2006 and that’s why I was asking about it.
@inderjeetuppal6462 Hopefully everything I've said & you've seen in the videos helped you :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay it’s just I want strong and long lasting devices not temporary ones
@inderjeetuppal6462 Well the more expensive upscalers will last & not those cheap, cheap ones from Amazon or eBay :)
Hello sir but i have to disagree with you, you are forgetting about how dithering is being used on PS2. I think when the game is running on 480p, the color of the game shows the dithering. PS2 is designed to play on SDTV 480i with composite cable so it can hide the dithering effect in the game. Pumping resolution on PS2 is not the best solution to it, because it will show more the dithering color on PS2. Second things are the jaggies resolution when you do upscaling or pumping the resolution it's still shown. The blurriness on Composite cable is the anti-aliasing effect designed for PS2. So, I think assuming the Composite cable is worst is a bit misconception too.
While I respect your opinion & I do understand why many, many people think this, I have to disagree back :)
First off, if this is the case, why did game developers or Sony bother making all the effort to make the PS2 support 480p or all these other cables?
While dithering & jaggies are common on PS2, even 480i games had dithering sometimes (Colin McRae Rally 04 had loads).
Also, I recently went to a games festival in the UK & they had CRT's running RGB SCART & guess what I saw on them when playing PS2 games... Yes, dithering xD
I feel most people are so accustomed to Composite on a CRT when playing PS2 that everyone assumes it is the only way when it isn't, not even in the CRT world:)
Ultimately, we can decide & choose how we want our games to look & if this is your preference, fair enough but this is not for everyone, especially not me & never has been, not even when this was the norm back in the 2000s!
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Thank you for the reply and i respected your opinion too sir. I have my own PS2 setup with AV Cable running on consumer CRT TV. I Noticed that blurriness image from composite cable is not noticeable and its crisp enough in my eyes when it's played on consumer CRT TV. When i plug on Flat TV the AV Cable is indeed the worst output compared to other.
@sanggakurnia I do understand & thank you:)
On a CRT Composite is workable but I always loved RGB SCART & always will but I hope you are enjoying the experience, that's the most important thing :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay +1 Sub hehe
@sanggakurnia Thank you, I appreciate that :)
What are joytech cables?
3rd Party Component cables for the PS2 & PS3 :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay so no good?
@inderjeetuppal6462 They are good xD
If you watch my videos & see the video description it tells you everything I use & the cables are good :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay it’s not that I don’t believe you it’s just I hate products that are hit and miss
Hiya jonathon lost touch how are u doing mate ?
Hello mate, yes been a while! I'm doing well, how are you? :)
I play with S-video by Avermedia card on PC. What video mode i must set in ps2 options -> RGB or Component?
My video quality by link:
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As mentioned in the video, S-Video is not affected by the RGB or Component settings, only RGB SCART Cables or Component cables get affected :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay well, i understood. Scart rgb + crt Philips i have for retro gaming without Avermedia card :)
@zbf That's a great combination for retro gaming :)
I love my OSSC using RGB on my 4K display :)