I look for quality of materials. I'd love to have a full titanium, but that's really getting pricey. I've cheaped out in the past and it basically sounds like fence post. Thin walled piping is usually alot cheaper but you get what you pay for.
I was one of the first people to get my hands on these headers for my zl1, Andrew is a great guy. He personally called me to see how they fit and if I like them. They're amazing, I love how they sound.
I’ve run kooks headers. The best ever in my opinion…. Long tube. TONS of power. Left stock ones in the dust, your comment on too much power is a dumb comment
As a fellow ZL1/1LE owner, I am in the same boat as you. This video was right on the money! Great job to help me decide on choosing the headers. We need to see more content on the ZL1/1LE. Would love to see the install video and/or footage inside and outside the cabin on the difference in sound. In addition - I have to ask why you went with Catless headers. Are you concerned about the smell going Catless? Assuming you are not concerned about emissions. Michelin PS4S tires make a huge difference in ride quality and gets to temperature a lot faster. I relegate the GY3R tires paired to Apex ARC8 wheels purely for the track.
I also run the PS4S tires on my stock wheels and found at the drag strip on my completely wasted GY SC3Rs after three trackday weekends at Barber MS Park and AMP... they still had enough grip to net a 1.62 60ft & 10.92@128 with the A10. I set my launch RPM at 2100 and a slip of 11% at Darlington Dragway which is a very well prepped surface. I started with a lower launch RPM and the car would bog, TCM would do wonky stuff and it made me more frustrated than anything. My focus on Headers is to reduce backpressure and the heat while road racing... my "home track" is Road Atlanta as I have found with the ZLE, anything with less of an open area to stretch the legs of this car is a waste of the tires & entry fee! I just posted several Livestream videos on my channel from this weekend's bullying of Corvettes, BMWs and Porsche toys if anyone is wanting to see what a ZLE is capable of!
Love the vids. Simple informative and entertaining. If it were for me you can’t build this car fast enough. Looool. Can’t wait to see your choice of mods and watch this car transform.
Nice video @TORQ Toolbox I forgot to ask you in your last ZL1 video but how can you along with other car youtubers have no facial expression or reaction whatsoever when full throttling in a supercar (I'd definitely consider this to be a supercar) I got really excited just riding in a coworker of mine's charger R/T and was smiling the rest of the day (ok maybe week😅) and a lot of content creators seem to drive 600+ HP cars and have the facial expression of someone driving a Prius.
@@TORQToolbox I wonder if through suspension or something they can make cars feel even faster when it throws you back in your seat while accelerating that would be so much fun on a track or at the drag strip
Nicely put together video, thought out & well spoken, first hand I know how much work goes into it; enjoy the Z, about to start building my ZLE as well
Stainless Works is about an hour and a half from me here in Ohio, they make some really nice stuff. Just remember though, GM as well as Ford and Dodge are making these sports cars so good from the factory now that a tune alone can get you a bunch of power. Check out the Race Proven Motorsports youtube channel, they have a bunch of videos that can give you a lot of info especially on what mods not to waste money on
Thank you for the break down. Thanks to your video I'm going with CSP for my ZL1. FYI, I believe traction control is actually more intrusive in track mode as track mode is calibrated with road course racing in mind. Sport mode with competition mode active should retain stablitrak but remove traction control.
I just received my sw headers from csp today for my grand cherokee haha. What good timing! I'm extremely impressed with the quality and extra parts included, many other companies don't include extras.
Appreciate all the info. I've been wanting to ask if you've ever tried installing a throttle response controller - it might shave a little time off you 0-60.
I also did a ton of research before buying these same headers. Two things: Coatings do make a difference in temps, but it is highly dependent on which coating you get. If you're focused on safety(plug wires), and it seems like you are, a coating is a no brainer. I had them coated by Swain Tech, which from my experience is the most effective, longest lasting coating. Not cheap though. Second, these were about $1150 including new gaskets during black friday 2020, from the stock ON HAND, not next batch. if you can wait until next year black friday(most can't) it'll probably be cheaper. There was a case of a guy on the forums melting his coolant reservoir with uncoated headers, so I would get the Mishimoto aluminum coolant tank if you're not gonna coat the headers.
I started watching your gun channel, love that, now I see we both have modified Camaros, I went with Dynatech 2" headers ceramic coated, your like a one stop shop for all my favorite type of content.
It seems like it's a bit of a delay from full throttle to go fast. Watching this, I almost feel like the manual is faster, but I also never used launch control on my Z.
I had no clue you also had a car channel until watching your EDC vid!! Stoked to check out the content. I have a 2019 Camaro SS 1/LE. It’s got headers E85 intake and a bunch of other goodies.
Be careful dumping the clutch when the tires are cold. On stock power, I broke the tires loose at 70mph on the highway. The rear end wiggles a little before hooking up. Pucker factor level 6.
Did you happen to get a dyno done for base numbers before you start modding? See what performance add ons get you as you go? Looking forward to see future mods, keep it up!
You paid the same price for these as you would pay for Kooks or Stainless Works. Lol you must really like these headers bc personally I wouldn’t take bargain headers over those brands.
I would love to see a 1 7/8 then swap to 2" because speed inc in Chicago that built my zl1 said the 2" doesn't show a gain till you reach 1,000hp. I did do a back to back same day roto fab vs the roto fab big gulp and that did not make any more power or tq. It did move my ram's up 200rpm but no 20hp like I expected. I have a Maggie, cam, and everything else. I believe Andrew did a video roto fab vs big gulp and he gained 20hp. That's why I went with the big gulp but wasted the $550. Because of no gain and its hard to get a shoo to take shit back.
I have the RotoFab and all it does is add noise & underhood heat to the IATs. I have YET to see one dyno pull with the hood closed and anyone showing true numbers versus the stock airbox which is actually sealed from the underhood temps. I road race my ZLE and monitor my IATs & MATs with the Banks iDash/Datamonster while running down the back straight at Road Atlanta. Take a note to also understand, adding a RotoFab in most instances, also requires tuning from stock... so once again, all advertised numbers are with the hood open vs baselines.
@@mike88wt I had CSP install and tune. I would say they are just as good as kooks but easier to install. Bolt ons, ported blower and a cam I am making 720 rwhp 697 rwt. I also have the Borla Atak exhaust. Which makes the car insane but in stealth mode it is much more tame. Good luck.
What do you look for when choosing headers?
I look for quality of materials. I'd love to have a full titanium, but that's really getting pricey. I've cheaped out in the past and it basically sounds like fence post. Thin walled piping is usually alot cheaper but you get what you pay for.
I always go Kooks or American Racing Headers, Stainless Works does good work also.
On my build I have 2” Kooks
Quality of materials, warranty coverage of the product, product fitment
Certified dyno results.
Can these headers be installed the way they come or do you need excel plug wires?
I was one of the first people to get my hands on these headers for my zl1, Andrew is a great guy. He personally called me to see how they fit and if I like them. They're amazing, I love how they sound.
Also, stock camaros already have X pipes but the dual mode exhaust is what’s kept me from doing aftermarket. It’s nice retaining the stealth mode
I’ve run kooks headers. The best ever in my opinion…. Long tube. TONS of power. Left stock ones in the dust, your comment on too much power is a dumb comment
Jet-Hot is the only header coating I would use
Should I get the 1300 or the 2000 version? I believe that's the two options.
What is the name of the company that as the headers for your Zl1 good video
No ceramic coating......
1st
Nice!
As a fellow ZL1/1LE owner, I am in the same boat as you. This video was right on the money! Great job to help me decide on choosing the headers. We need to see more content on the ZL1/1LE. Would love to see the install video and/or footage inside and outside the cabin on the difference in sound. In addition - I have to ask why you went with Catless headers. Are you concerned about the smell going Catless? Assuming you are not concerned about emissions. Michelin PS4S tires make a huge difference in ride quality and gets to temperature a lot faster. I relegate the GY3R tires paired to Apex ARC8 wheels purely for the track.
I also run the PS4S tires on my stock wheels and found at the drag strip on my completely wasted GY SC3Rs after three trackday weekends at Barber MS Park and AMP... they still had enough grip to net a 1.62 60ft & 10.92@128 with the A10. I set my launch RPM at 2100 and a slip of 11% at Darlington Dragway which is a very well prepped surface. I started with a lower launch RPM and the car would bog, TCM would do wonky stuff and it made me more frustrated than anything.
My focus on Headers is to reduce backpressure and the heat while road racing... my "home track" is Road Atlanta as I have found with the ZLE, anything with less of an open area to stretch the legs of this car is a waste of the tires & entry fee! I just posted several Livestream videos on my channel from this weekend's bullying of Corvettes, BMWs and Porsche toys if anyone is wanting to see what a ZLE is capable of!
Love the vids. Simple informative and entertaining. If it were for me you can’t build this car fast enough. Looool. Can’t wait to see your choice of mods and watch this car transform.
Nice video @TORQ Toolbox I forgot to ask you in your last ZL1 video but how can you along with other car youtubers have no facial expression or reaction whatsoever when full throttling in a supercar (I'd definitely consider this to be a supercar) I got really excited just riding in a coworker of mine's charger R/T and was smiling the rest of the day (ok maybe week😅) and a lot of content creators seem to drive 600+ HP cars and have the facial expression of someone driving a Prius.
I think the newer cars are so well put together that it kinda numbs the feeling you get from the acceleration.
@@TORQToolbox I wonder if through suspension or something they can make cars feel even faster when it throws you back in your seat while accelerating that would be so much fun on a track or at the drag strip
Nicely put together video, thought out & well spoken, first hand I know how much work goes into it; enjoy the Z, about to start building my ZLE as well
Stainless Works is about an hour and a half from me here in Ohio, they make some really nice stuff. Just remember though, GM as well as Ford and Dodge are making these sports cars so good from the factory now that a tune alone can get you a bunch of power. Check out the Race Proven Motorsports youtube channel, they have a bunch of videos that can give you a lot of info especially on what mods not to waste money on
If I could comment with memes this one wound be me recognizing the knife used to cut plastic
Thank you for the break down. Thanks to your video I'm going with CSP for my ZL1. FYI, I believe traction control is actually more intrusive in track mode as track mode is calibrated with road course racing in mind. Sport mode with competition mode active should retain stablitrak but remove traction control.
I just received my sw headers from csp today for my grand cherokee haha. What good timing! I'm extremely impressed with the quality and extra parts included, many other companies don't include extras.
That's going to be a beast on the Cherokee
Appreciate all the info. I've been wanting to ask if you've ever tried installing a throttle response controller - it might shave a little time off you 0-60.
Haven't tried it yet brother
I also did a ton of research before buying these same headers. Two things: Coatings do make a difference in temps, but it is highly dependent on which coating you get. If you're focused on safety(plug wires), and it seems like you are, a coating is a no brainer. I had them coated by Swain Tech, which from my experience is the most effective, longest lasting coating. Not cheap though. Second, these were about $1150 including new gaskets during black friday 2020, from the stock ON HAND, not next batch. if you can wait until next year black friday(most can't) it'll probably be cheaper. There was a case of a guy on the forums melting his coolant reservoir with uncoated headers, so I would get the Mishimoto aluminum coolant tank if you're not gonna coat the headers.
That's really good info to know man... I really appreciate it
I started watching your gun channel, love that, now I see we both have modified Camaros, I went with Dynatech 2" headers ceramic coated, your like a one stop shop for all my favorite type of content.
I love your videos so much, it’s nice learning about a product and not just looking at it!
Thank you so much for man! 🙏
That abrupt ending made me second guess what happened lol soo short
Haha
It seems like it's a bit of a delay from full throttle to go fast. Watching this, I almost feel like the manual is faster, but I also never used launch control on my Z.
I had no clue you also had a car channel until watching your EDC vid!! Stoked to check out the content. I have a 2019 Camaro SS 1/LE. It’s got headers E85 intake and a bunch of other goodies.
Be careful dumping the clutch when the tires are cold. On stock power, I broke the tires loose at 70mph on the highway. The rear end wiggles a little before hooking up. Pucker factor level 6.
Finally back !!
Don't follow that guy. His cars may be fast but they don't hold up IMO.
Hey bro the link doesn’t work , Can you redo the link .
What happened to ur 8th gen si? I saw it in the video were u build a safe lol
I sold it earlier this year
@@TORQToolbox did u do any mods to it or was it stock? i always liked that body style for newer civic but i cant let go of my 90s honda lol
hehe. He said bung.
Did you happen to get a dyno done for base numbers before you start modding? See what performance add ons get you as you go? Looking forward to see future mods, keep it up!
Not yet
Welcome back!
Thank ya man!
Did it blow up yet?
Nah
You paid the same price for these as you would pay for Kooks or Stainless Works. Lol you must really like these headers bc personally I wouldn’t take bargain headers over those brands.
What brand? I cannot see what the brand of headers are? Also my car does the best 0-60 spinning.
Does this modification mess with the warranty ?
Yes
I feel like launch control would work a little bit better if GM didn’t put these shitty, shuddery torque converters in the 6th gens
Do I need to purchase a mid pipe or will it just bolt right on. The guy I want to install them said I would need a mid pipe
How did they perform? What did your installer/tuner have to say about them? Got them ordered.
Why is it so hard it just give to price of the fucking headers ???
I would love to see a 1 7/8 then swap to 2" because speed inc in Chicago that built my zl1 said the 2" doesn't show a gain till you reach 1,000hp.
I did do a back to back same day roto fab vs the roto fab big gulp and that did not make any more power or tq. It did move my ram's up 200rpm but no 20hp like I expected. I have a Maggie, cam, and everything else.
I believe Andrew did a video roto fab vs big gulp and he gained 20hp. That's why I went with the big gulp but wasted the $550. Because of no gain and its hard to get a shoo to take shit back.
I have the RotoFab and all it does is add noise & underhood heat to the IATs. I have YET to see one dyno pull with the hood closed and anyone showing true numbers versus the stock airbox which is actually sealed from the underhood temps. I road race my ZLE and monitor my IATs & MATs with the Banks iDash/Datamonster while running down the back straight at Road Atlanta. Take a note to also understand, adding a RotoFab in most instances, also requires tuning from stock... so once again, all advertised numbers are with the hood open vs baselines.
Hey brother, how are these CSP headers holding up?
I ended up trading the Camaro
@@TORQToolbox Will you be showcasing your new ride? Thanks.
Those headers are sweet!
Got the same ones there co developed with stainless works had mine coated jethot for the heat you should do aswell
Your link for the headers isn’t working.. any tips?
I will be buying the same headers thx Question where did you get the tire refill ?
Bro you live in Cali? Are these headers legal in Cali? I have a zl1 too
Would way rather see 60-130 times
Glad to see you back, love your content.
Thank ya man! ....Whoops I just realized that I'm commenting from my other channel..lol
my favorite gun guy has a camaro!!! hell yeah
Every one loves there SE headers
I have CSP headers! They are amazing.
How much did it cost ???
Would you say they made as much power as other big brands? What did your installer/tuner have to say?
@@mike88wt I had CSP install and tune. I would say they are just as good as kooks but easier to install. Bolt ons, ported blower and a cam I am making 720 rwhp 697 rwt. I also have the Borla Atak exhaust. Which makes the car insane but in stealth mode it is much more tame. Good luck.
@@boomtownJ Sounds like a monster. Im waiting on the headers to ship. Can't wait.
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