@@chilliam00 to who though? 😅 Honestly, like who watches that shite? Clearly not history nerds like us. The best history content is on UA-cam for sure. I have learned do much from all the amazing channels we watch 👏
@@nico-lasty Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
@@chilliam00 Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
I know this channel is focused on military historical events, battles, sieges,... But those videos like this one where you talk about ancient political systems, religion, technological advancements, or simply ancient ways of life have become my favourite ones. Thanks a lot for your work! :D
I agree completely. Not only is it more interesting than details of battles. It is much more important historically. Armchair generalling is just a sort of guilty pleasure for me.
@@glitchtastic759 Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
It is really astonishing that in a such small time period so many sciences were invented and flourished as well as the amazing huge number of such influential figures, being talked and analysed even nowadays.
@@Zachomara I couldn’t agree more. But my comment was more to the short time period . there is nothing similar at least to my knowledge . It was like someone put together in the same place and time period Great minds
@@WithmeVerissimusWhostoned thanks, really interesting but with very minimal impact to our west civilization. what is your take away from ermis main points of philosophy?
@@Zachomara It most likely also has to do with the fact that the Greeks lived at a communal level, which made inside competition in Greece more of a determining factor, while also retaining Panhellenic ties and allying with deep trust of one another in times of foreign invasion, for example the Persians. Each polis also had incentive to create a unique factor of itself to boost the separate identity of its people, for example Sparta had extremely strong land forces, Athens a very good navy and trade, Smyrna many philosophers, Syracuse great scientists and inventors etc.
@@GothPaoki Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
ikr, and the Monty Python "We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune!" of peasants did actually exist for centuries in Britain, from serfs who fled into the forests to live off the land (or dress as Robin Hood while doing "riotous banditry" against the rich), to the Diggers/Shakers of the English Civil War who publicly agitated for "redistribution and communal ownership of land".
I remember doing my master degree thesis on criminology on how unpunished crime and the lack of isonomy between the classes of Athens resulted to the creation of the Athenian Democracy. A delight to have read all those sources :)
In an alternate universe… “In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganised into the First Athenian Empire for a safe and secure society.”
BEAUTIFUL ONE. Great graphics, excellent narration, easy-to-follow chronological storyline... Thanks for that, as a Greek myself, I'm proud to see state of art documentaries like yours being produced on our history. My blessings to your team!
I love this. More people, especially young people, need to discover more about democracy and what it means. and how hard all our ancestors yearned for it, and how hard millions of people over time fought for it and even died for it. I like how publishing this video has created a good resource for people to discover some of this truly amazing concept.
If we see Greece and Rome as the two parts of a common grecoroman culture they do a lot of videos about it ( Ancient Greece , classical Rome and Eastern Roman Empire-Byzantium )
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 Ναι έτσι είναι ακριβώς . Αν θυμάμαι έχουμε κάνει συζητήσεις πολλές φορές παλαιότερα ( Καλοκαίρι- Φθινόπωρο 2020 ) αλλα μπορεί να κάνω και λάθος . Τέλος πάντων καλή συνέχεια και μπράβο για τις ιστορικές σου γνώσεις . Δεν είμαστε τόσο λίγοι τελικά οι ... μυημένοι στα τις ιστορίας ( τα σοβαρά όχι τα του ελληνικού σχολείου που είναι σκόρπιες πληροφορίες )
It is quite ironic that dictators and tyrants where the ones Who laid the groundwork of democracy but then again the meaning and morals back then were quite different from our abbramic ones
@@cesaru3619 putin is chosen in the same way biden or should i say harris was chosen you really have a warped view of what a dictator is when the man you claim is one didnt even interver in the states of his nation unless they asked him when they where burning even he wanted to and to only thing he then did was to give law officers in those states a temporary Federale badge so that they can atleast do there Jobs when the states in question did nothing Again i must stress your severe lack of undersanding what a dictator is and before you go screaming against me you speak against someone Who LIVES and is born in a continent that sufferd under that both western and easter europe
@@cesaru3619 i did not say putin was not a all power to himself guy a said putin is elected and keeps himself in power like how biden and harris did you dunce do i need to spell it out for you
@@videocvdv7317 Anatolia belongs to nowdays Turkey, but was created back thousands of years as a city-state by the Greeks, the Greek name survives till this day.
@@schachshaolin7856 They turned the most important church into a mosque They changed the names of the cities They destroyed everything that was ancient Seljuks and Göktürk Tools Remaining Are Turks in Central Asia as disrespectful as Turks in Anatolia?
Note that tyrant just meant someone who took power for themselves with no comment on their policies or popularity, and dictator was someone appointed to absolute power for six months to solve a crisis. The negative meanings come from the fact that such people usually turn out unpopular And the murder of Hipparchus (or Hippias, can't remember), which was actually for entirely personal reasons And how medieval thinkers like Aquinas tried desperately to separate 'good' kings from 'bad' tyrants
Peisistraturs was also responsible for the writing down of the Illiad and the Odyssey. Had they remained transmitted in an oral fashion, they would have been lost two millenia ago.
Peisistratos is generally credited with ordering the first state-sponsored planting of a sea of olive trees in Attica. The economic benefits accrued over centuries. Some of the oldest olives in Attica today are dated to approximately this period.This accomplishment was omitted.
In Greece we recently discovered the area where the Cylons’ followers were murdered. In ancient Greece, this is called the “Κυλώνειον Άγος”. For those who love “Battlestar Gallactica”, Cylons are named after Cylon and also many names in the series have Greek Gods’ names. 😎
I'd like to see a depiction of the Apostle Paul's life in lieu of his time he spent in Asia Minor. An illustration of this magnitude would be ideal. Thanks for the continued excellence in providing historical clarity to things that our history books couldn't accomplish.
I clicked on this for Cleisthenes. This man was probably the most pivotal man in ancient Greek history. Inadvertently giving birth to Democracy, starting the rivalry between Athens and Sparta and then giving Persia Cassius Belli to invade, all to escape a certain city state's wrath.
Maybe in some future video we might see how Sparta became what it became. Just like were seeing how Athens became what it became. Great job. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Thank you for highlighting Greece. In the modern era, many have looked down their noses and said nasty things about them because they are not economically the powerhouse by any means in Europe. It goes without saying that the values of Germany are different from the values of Greece, but that doesn’t mean either one of them are wrong. I was in Greece about five years ago I got very desperately ill on one of the Greek islands the hotel manager told me to go to the public health clinic down the road, and that it would be free no charge at all. this was at a time when Greece was in a state of economic disaster. I told him I really didn’t want to use the public system I didn’t feel like I should burden them with my needs. he insisted I go. I found them to be the most generous of people despite ther financial hardships. Athens in travel guides is often described as a dirty nasty place that you don’t wanna spend any time in; try to get to the boat out to the islands right away. I didn’t find it to be that way at all it’s a very lively vibrant city and yes it has a lot of rundown areas but I live in Lisbon and so does it. That doesn’t make it a terrible city it’s full of history. When you are able to look up at night and see the Parthenon lit up from anywhere in the city and know that this was the place where A representative republic was first established), you can’t help but really be admiring of them including their nice work life balance! Opa!
Tyrant doesn't necessarily carry negative connotations. Marcus Aurelius was an absolute ruler but he was also enlightened, fair and compassionate. The problem of course is that if a "Tyrant" is a terrible person there is not much that can be done as they wield the full power of the state.
@@lewistaylor2858 There is no such thing as a good unelected ruler. Also, it's not "democracy" when women, slaves and the poor can't vote. Athenian "democracy" is just oligarchy with extra steps.
In 2016 some hand-bound skeletons were found at the Faliro coast south of Athens. They seemed to be of high social stature and two clay libation vases were found next to them, dating to approx. 630 BC, making the archaeologists believe that they were connected to the massacre by Megaklis at the time, aka the "Kylonion Agos" (Kylon's miasma/sin ).
Tell that to the Romans or Imperial Russia, who even on their empire's deathbed clung to "muh property rights!" rather than introduce the necessary radical economic changes for the common good.
this is great, thank you... suggestions: - as with your video presentations of battles and campaigns and wars, could you please consider a practice of including on-screen labels of the names of key figures in these presentations... brief displays on-screen labels of names of historical figures, appearing on the screen as they are introduced as key figures in the story (eg, briefly displaying names like “Cylon,” “Solon,” “Peisistratus”when key figures like these are introduced in the story.) This would be an aid to viewers’ memories and to further study. - as with your video presentations of battles and campaigns and wars, would you please consider including on-screen maps where appropriate (for example, in this video Megara’s rivalry with Athens was discussed, a map showing where Megara, Athens, and Attica are located would aid understanding and memory.) Thanks again for this interesting account.
Damn, i was searching for ancient Greek politics, and this video popped up from one of my favorite channels, it feels weird that I didn't get a notification for this but at the same time it was just loaded yesterday when I suppose to write this article! I love Kings and Generals I really do! lol
the have make a video about the battle of himera 480bc between the greeks of sicilly and carthage the wars between them is an interesting topic not well known
A most appropriate Mark Twain quote " History dose not necessarily repeat it's self but it often rhymes." See any similarity's with our times? Solon of Athens we need your services once again.
Greeks: We gave you Democracy Romans: We gave you Republic Persians: We gave you Organized Multiethnic Monotheism Steppe Nomads: We gave you a Run For Your Money
I think that land should never be owned by anyone but rather rented by the state to whoever is more capable of maximizing the produce. Land should be owned by goverment but the latter should not be in direct control of the harvest. Stalin made the goverment responsible for he harvest and turned all farmers into goverment employees with a fixed wage and the result was mass starvation and famine. The problem with my solution is that if the goverment is corrupt then the will rent it based on nepotism and competence.
A very smart Athenian citizen after witnessing Persistratos proclaimed himself the Tyrant of Athens with help from Athena and the people cheered for him: Still think these guys are not fools?
Great video! Is there a followup video on the next period to the the establishment of democracy by lottery? Interested in learning more about its origins. Thanks 🙏
Every time I hear the name Solon, I can only think of the old psycopath from Fire Emblem: Three Houses who experimented on and destroyed a village for funsies as opposed to a relatively just reformer. It's actually kinda funny that all the major Agarthans in that game are named after members of the Seven Sages of Greece.
@@TheBKnight3 The video pretty much explicitly states that he opposed socialist policies when the population demanded them from him. His policies are pretty much based on "opening up" the upper classes and to allow regular people to intermingle with them, rather than forcefully redistributing wealth. Pretty similar to modern day libertarians that want to make it easier for common folk to open and run their own businesses.
In future episodes, I'm sure K&G will cover the huge role that landless but highly skilled rowers played in the establishment of Greek "democracy." Athens was a seafaring city-state that grew prosperous based on her trading ties.
@@Jari-95 There is no such thing as a "good" or "benign" monarch, the very institution itself is abhorrent as is the existence of any sort of nobility. The french and the russians had the right idea about how to deal with this problem...
@@transsylvanian9100 you mean mass extermination! Were one of the few (if not the only) countries who had a kingdom after a republic. But type “kingsday” in the searchbar and then i want to know if your opinion changes
Hello. Would it be possible for you to make a playlist just for Ancient Greek history? There doesn't seem to be one on your channel. I would be so grateful.
What were the implements that Solan and his contemporaries used to write their poems and other writings? I'm interested in the biro you Solan writing from left to right (instead of boustrophedon) and the material on which he is recording his thoughts
Democracy is good
- Liberty Prime
controversial statements huh
@@markcollins2704 ur technically first.
Democracy dies in the dark, and tyranny dies under the light
~Someone philosophical, but not me :p
Also well made video :)
Socrates hated democracy.
"The sun, too, shines into cesspools and is not polluted"
- Diogenes
"Get the fuck out of my sun"
- Also Diogenes
Ironically the sun shining into a pool is needed to turn it into a cesspool...and keep it so.😅
It still baffles me that History Channel can't even come close to this sort of content...
Shows about Archaic Aliens and Pawning Antique shops sell well.
@@chilliam00 to who though? 😅
Honestly, like who watches that shite?
Clearly not history nerds like us. The best history content is on UA-cam for sure. I have learned do much from all the amazing channels we watch 👏
@@nico-lasty Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
@@chilliam00 Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
@@nico-lasty Pensioners and crazy people
I know this channel is focused on military historical events, battles, sieges,... But those videos like this one where you talk about ancient political systems, religion, technological advancements, or simply ancient ways of life have become my favourite ones. Thanks a lot for your work! :D
I agree completely. Not only is it more interesting than details of battles. It is much more important historically. Armchair generalling is just a sort of guilty pleasure for me.
@@chadlee1057 fr
Rise of Athenian Democracy? Was this voted video on or dictated?
Did someone say ostracism?
@@LuisAldamiz, I see what you did there.
"Anthony! Veto the motion! Stand up! Veto the motion!!!" - Cicero, probably.
Non of your business. You obey.
It sprang fully formed, from the mind of Zeus.
Obligatory "I love democracy, I love the Republic"
I am the senate
3 drinks later:
THE REPUBLIC WILL BE REORGANIZED INTO THE FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE!
@@aleksapetrovic6519 For a safe and secure society.
@@aleksapetrovic6519 and yet: my allegiance is with the republic, to democracy!
😂😂😂😂😂
I see kings and generals, i see ancient greek history, i upvote.
I think we have a redditor here
Redditor(or Quoran)?
Greek history is based
Eww redditor
@@glitchtastic759 Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
It is really astonishing that in a such small time period so many sciences were invented and flourished as well as the amazing huge number of such influential figures, being talked and analysed even nowadays.
The freer a society, the more innovation happens. It happened in Greece, Rome, Britain, and now the US.
@@Zachomara I couldn’t agree more. But my comment was more to the short time period . there is nothing similar at least to my knowledge . It was like someone put together in the same place and time period Great minds
@@WithmeVerissimusWhostoned thanks, really interesting but with very minimal impact to our west civilization. what is your take away from ermis main points of philosophy?
@@Zachomara It most likely also has to do with the fact that the Greeks lived at a communal level, which made inside competition in Greece more of a determining factor, while also retaining Panhellenic ties and allying with deep trust of one another in times of foreign invasion, for example the Persians. Each polis also had incentive to create a unique factor of itself to boost the separate identity of its people, for example Sparta had extremely strong land forces, Athens a very good navy and trade, Smyrna many philosophers, Syracuse great scientists and inventors etc.
@@chrisd997 What about the first Century of Abbasid Rule? They laid the groundwork for European renaisance and the modern world
Athenian Tyrant: I shall rule Athens alone, by my will.
Kleisthenes: How about no?
@@GothPaoki peisistratos ruled many decades before Kleisthenes' democratic reforms.
@@GothPaoki Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
@@videocvdv7317 We make sex with people in the region we came and become like one of them haha
@@tezcanuyank3446 "We". Hold your horses great Khan.
ARTHUR: I am your king!
OLD WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ikr, and the Monty Python "We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune!" of peasants did actually exist for centuries in Britain, from serfs who fled into the forests to live off the land (or dress as Robin Hood while doing "riotous banditry" against the rich), to the Diggers/Shakers of the English Civil War who publicly agitated for "redistribution and communal ownership of land".
I remember doing my master degree thesis on criminology on how unpunished crime and the lack of isonomy between the classes of Athens resulted to the creation of the Athenian Democracy. A delight to have read all those sources :)
Can I read it?
In an alternate universe…
“In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganised into the First Athenian Empire for a safe and secure society.”
Thats exactly kind of what happened actually
After the Persian wars this is what happened in a nutshell
Delian league
Essentially Rome
In comes Alexander the Great
YES!! Thanks kings, you know I love my ancient Greeks
Kings and Generals
bring us some quality democracy. Ironic!
BEAUTIFUL ONE. Great graphics, excellent narration, easy-to-follow chronological storyline... Thanks for that, as a Greek myself, I'm proud to see state of art documentaries like yours being produced on our history. My blessings to your team!
I love this. More people, especially young people, need to discover more about democracy and what it means. and how hard all our ancestors yearned for it, and how hard millions of people over time fought for it and even died for it.
I like how publishing this video has created a good resource for people to discover some of this truly amazing concept.
Democracy is for plebs.
@@anythingthoughanythingthou2453 haha love it!
@Danny Al agreed.
We need actual transparency
More documentaries about Greece, please!
If we see Greece and Rome as the two parts of a common grecoroman culture they do a lot of videos about it ( Ancient Greece , classical Rome and Eastern Roman Empire-Byzantium )
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 Γεια σου ρε Trantor , έχουμε κάνει εμείς ιστορικές συζητήσεις στο Cognosco team . Ορθότατο σχόλιο στον αλλοδαπό φίλο .
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 εξαιρετικο σχολιο
επιπλεον χαιρομαι ιδιαιτερα που βρισκω ελληνες στα σχολια και μαλιστα ατομα που γνωριζουν το cognosco team
@@trantorcapitalofthegalacti3173 Ναι έτσι είναι ακριβώς . Αν θυμάμαι έχουμε κάνει συζητήσεις πολλές φορές παλαιότερα ( Καλοκαίρι- Φθινόπωρο 2020 ) αλλα μπορεί να κάνω και λάθος . Τέλος πάντων καλή συνέχεια και μπράβο για τις ιστορικές σου γνώσεις . Δεν είμαστε τόσο λίγοι τελικά οι ... μυημένοι στα τις ιστορίας ( τα σοβαρά όχι τα του ελληνικού σχολείου που είναι σκόρπιες πληροφορίες )
The character, graphic and set designs in this one are high quality, great work, it is very inspiring
It is quite ironic that dictators and tyrants where the ones Who laid the groundwork of democracy but then again the meaning and morals back then were quite different from our abbramic ones
So true. Mexico just needs a dictator.
@@tcc5750 didnt you mexicans not already had coupel of those
@@cesaru3619 i would not paint Trump like a dictator Amerika has not yet reached that stage but there on the way
@@cesaru3619 putin is chosen in the same way biden or should i say harris was chosen you really have a warped view of what a dictator is when the man you claim is one didnt even interver in the states of his nation unless they asked him when they where burning even he wanted to and to only thing he then did was to give law officers in those states a temporary Federale badge so that they can atleast do there Jobs when the states in question did nothing
Again i must stress your severe lack of undersanding what a dictator is and before you go screaming against me you speak against someone Who LIVES and is born in a continent that sufferd under that both western and easter europe
@@cesaru3619 i did not say putin was not a all power to himself guy a said putin is elected and keeps himself in power like how biden and harris did you dunce do i need to spell it out for you
Amazing! Keep covering ancient Greece!
Great video!!! Super pumped for the next one!!
Athens, Macedonia, Sparta, Cyprus, Thrace, Epirus, Crete, Aeagean Islands, Ionian Islands, Asia Minor, Magna Grecia, Thessaly, Peloponnese, Achaia, Arcadia, Argolis, Corinth, Laconis, Aetolia, Akarnania, Boeotia, Euboia, Pontus, Crimea, Messenia 🇬🇷
Anatolia is Turkic :/
@@Judge_Magister We have to send them to Asia where they came from. We can't send since 1071, we can't send it again Never mind
@@videocvdv7317 Anatolia belongs to nowdays Turkey, but was created back thousands of years as a city-state by the Greeks, the Greek name survives till this day.
@@schachshaolin7856 They turned the most important church into a mosque They changed the names of the cities They destroyed everything that was ancient Seljuks and Göktürk Tools Remaining Are Turks in Central Asia as disrespectful as Turks in Anatolia?
@@videocvdv7317 indeed they did but that doesn't change that the name doesht survive from ancient Greece.
Note that tyrant just meant someone who took power for themselves with no comment on their policies or popularity, and dictator was someone appointed to absolute power for six months to solve a crisis. The negative meanings come from the fact that such people usually turn out unpopular
And the murder of Hipparchus (or Hippias, can't remember), which was actually for entirely personal reasons
And how medieval thinkers like Aquinas tried desperately to separate 'good' kings from 'bad' tyrants
Peisistraturs was also responsible for the writing down of the Illiad and the Odyssey. Had they remained transmitted in an oral fashion, they would have been lost two millenia ago.
Peisistratos is generally credited with ordering the first state-sponsored planting of a sea of olive trees in Attica. The economic benefits accrued over centuries. Some of the oldest olives in Attica today are dated to approximately this period.This accomplishment was omitted.
"SQUABLE AMONG THEMSELVES" every Rome 1 player chills inmediatley
In Greece we recently discovered the area where the Cylons’ followers were murdered. In ancient Greece, this is called the “Κυλώνειον Άγος”. For those who love “Battlestar Gallactica”, Cylons are named after Cylon and also many names in the series have Greek Gods’ names. 😎
Great video, brilliant topic, another banger from the boys at Kings and Generals
I'd like to see a depiction of the Apostle Paul's life in lieu of his time he spent in Asia Minor. An illustration of this magnitude would be ideal. Thanks for the continued excellence in providing historical clarity to things that our history books couldn't accomplish.
Amazing narration of history and art!
*Me studying*
*Kings and Generals posts a new video*
Me: Yoooooink!
I clicked on this for Cleisthenes.
This man was probably the most pivotal man in ancient Greek history.
Inadvertently giving birth to Democracy, starting the rivalry between Athens and Sparta and then giving Persia Cassius Belli to invade, all to escape a certain city state's wrath.
Maybe in some future video we might see how Sparta became what it became. Just like were seeing how Athens became what it became. Great job. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Thank you for highlighting Greece. In the modern era, many have looked down their noses and said nasty things about them because they are not economically the powerhouse by any means in Europe. It goes without saying that the values of Germany are different from the values of Greece, but that doesn’t mean either one of them are wrong. I was in Greece about five years ago I got very desperately ill on one of the Greek islands the hotel manager told me to go to the public health clinic down the road, and that it would be free no charge at all. this was at a time when Greece was in a state of economic disaster. I told him I really didn’t want to use the public system I didn’t feel like I should burden them with my needs. he insisted I go. I found them to be the most generous of people despite ther financial hardships. Athens in travel guides is often described as a dirty nasty place that you don’t wanna spend any time in; try to get to the boat out to the islands right away. I didn’t find it to be that way at all it’s a very lively vibrant city and yes it has a lot of rundown areas but I live in Lisbon and so does it. That doesn’t make it a terrible city it’s full of history. When you are able to look up at night and see the Parthenon lit up from anywhere in the city and know that this was the place where A representative republic was first established), you can’t help but really be admiring of them including their nice work life balance! Opa!
For a ''Tyrant'' Peisistratus seemed to have done an excellent job at ruling Athens.
Tyrant doesn't necessarily carry negative connotations. Marcus Aurelius was an absolute ruler but he was also enlightened, fair and compassionate. The problem of course is that if a "Tyrant" is a terrible person there is not much that can be done as they wield the full power of the state.
Unfortunately his descendants were responsible for the connotation "tyrant" has today.
Tyrant to rich people.
@@lewistaylor2858 There is no such thing as a good unelected ruler. Also, it's not "democracy" when women, slaves and the poor can't vote. Athenian "democracy" is just oligarchy with extra steps.
@@transsylvanian9100 I don't think you're here for the history...
In 2016 some hand-bound skeletons were found at the Faliro coast south of Athens. They seemed to be of high social stature and two clay libation vases were found next to them, dating to approx. 630 BC, making the archaeologists believe that they were connected to the massacre by Megaklis at the time, aka the "Kylonion Agos" (Kylon's miasma/sin ).
10:12 "such enforced equality in the distribution of wealth was neither just nor necessary"
Words that still ring true today.
Tell that to the Romans or Imperial Russia, who even on their empire's deathbed clung to "muh property rights!" rather than introduce the necessary radical economic changes for the common good.
Words that are just as poisonous, self-serving and false today as they were back then. Redistribution is the ONLY path to justice.
I love it. Love from greece
this is great, thank you... suggestions:
- as with your video presentations of battles and campaigns and wars, could you please consider a practice of including on-screen labels of the names of key figures in these presentations...
brief displays on-screen labels of names of historical figures, appearing on the screen as they are introduced as key figures in the story (eg, briefly displaying names like “Cylon,” “Solon,” “Peisistratus”when key figures like these are introduced in the story.) This would be an aid to viewers’ memories and to further study.
- as with your video presentations of battles and campaigns and wars, would you please consider including on-screen maps where appropriate (for example, in this video Megara’s rivalry with Athens was discussed, a map showing where Megara, Athens, and Attica are located would aid understanding and memory.)
Thanks again for this interesting account.
Informative and entertaining! I am taking a course in history at the local university this autumn, so this video suited me fine!
Thank you Kings and Generals Team!
Napoleon's quote to magic spoon is one of the best Ad transition I have ever seen.
You should try being a creative director
Damn, i was searching for ancient Greek politics, and this video popped up from one of my favorite channels, it feels weird that I didn't get a notification for this but at the same time it was just loaded yesterday when I suppose to write this article! I love Kings and Generals I really do! lol
Classical Greece and Athens: The most important and influential civilization in the whole human history. Period.
I think it is normal for one to hear "Cato-friendly" instead of "Keto-friendly" @1:25 after watching so many Roman history videos.
LOOOL
How is it Cato-friendly, though? Does it call for Carthage to be destroyed?
Cereals that come directly from the large plantations owned by aristocrats in Campania
@@kevinzhao9524 True Roman cereal for true Romans.
Cathago delinda est!
You know what I come to realize time and again while watching videos about ancient human societal structure? We haven't changed one bit.
Greece is one of the MVP's of history along with China, India and the middle east.
Whats mpv bro?😅
@@SpeedDemon_Editzzz shit, missed that, lol 🤣🤣🤣
@@joshuapilling3641 😂🔥
@@appleratpipe im Persian and in Iran democrasy wont work
@@ALIREZA-uc3hy but why
Seikilos playing in the background was really beautiful
Very interesting video on a subject that isn't covered enough. Very much looking forward to the next video!
Would love some videos on Carthage outside of the Punic wars
Eu também!!!!
@@Vinilupus ???
@@robertoleary5470 me too...kkkkk
@@Vinilupus oh right. Thanks!!!
the have make a video about the battle of himera 480bc between the greeks of sicilly and carthage the wars between them is an interesting topic not well known
A most appropriate Mark Twain quote " History dose not necessarily repeat it's
self but it often rhymes." See any similarity's with our times? Solon of Athens
we need your services once again.
Looking forward to the next episode. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for pronouncing names with kappa in them correctly with a hard "k" (even if the captions still use "c").
I wish if there is an HBO series about that time and all the plots of old politicians of athens , it will be a great hit like game of thrones .
Greeks: We gave you Democracy
Romans: We gave you Republic
Persians: We gave you Organized Multiethnic Monotheism
Steppe Nomads: We gave you a Run For Your Money
@@AeneasGemini I know that. Also some historians believe that the Germans inherited the practice from the Gauls.
Nice to see landlords have always been the worst kind of parasites, even in the ancient world and beyond
Seems to be a theme throughout history, if only there was a way we could fix that. We could call it socialism
@@austinburns4972 HAHAHAHAHAHA
@@austinburns4972 yes, make the state the landlord. I don't see anything going wrong with that.
I think that land should never be owned by anyone but rather rented by the state to whoever is more capable of maximizing the produce. Land should be owned by goverment but the latter should not be in direct control of the harvest. Stalin made the goverment responsible for he harvest and turned all farmers into goverment employees with a fixed wage and the result was mass starvation and famine.
The problem with my solution is that if the goverment is corrupt then the will rent it based on nepotism and competence.
@@austinburns4972 You have as much as a brain as the other guy you called out for not having one.
amazing video, pls do one about Socrates and his views of democracy , and how democracy could work in a view like that :)
Definitely points for the ad with the Napoleon Quote as an introduction
I love democracy…
I bet you love the Republic too.
Yes Emper..... I mean revolutionary!
yep Hitler said also the same
Vive la Emperor
@@yllbardh hitler and mussolini were some of the few dictators that didn't pretend to like democracy, unlike stalin, mao or the kims in north korea
A very smart Athenian citizen after witnessing Persistratos proclaimed himself the Tyrant of Athens with help from Athena and the people cheered for him: Still think these guys are not fools?
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work!
Do one about the various republics of ancient india as well
It would be really interesting!!
Love the art style
Great video! Is there a followup video on the next period to the the establishment of democracy by lottery? Interested in learning more about its origins. Thanks 🙏
Romans be like write that down !
Every time I hear the name Solon, I can only think of the old psycopath from Fire Emblem: Three Houses who experimented on and destroyed a village for funsies as opposed to a relatively just reformer. It's actually kinda funny that all the major Agarthans in that game are named after members of the Seven Sages of Greece.
10:16 "The cause of the poor would not be advanced through injustice to others."
A striking, quite familiar thought for an american ear, right?
The real injustice was not redistributing the land.
We’ll get you commies soon.
I’ve really wanted to study the Greek city states this will be fun.
What good fortune we have, that Kings and Generals is working in these times.
Modern politicians need to learn from Solon. Heck, we might need to resurrect him.
He would be labeled a socialist tbh
@@TheBKnight3 No.
@@Escalusfr Oh I think so.
@@TheBKnight3 Also a limp-dicked fence-sittter/enabler of the 1 percenters. Depending on what position you're in, and what you value the most.
@@TheBKnight3 The video pretty much explicitly states that he opposed socialist policies when the population demanded them from him.
His policies are pretty much based on "opening up" the upper classes and to allow regular people to intermingle with them, rather than forcefully redistributing wealth. Pretty similar to modern day libertarians that want to make it easier for common folk to open and run their own businesses.
I love how smooth is the transition to the sponsor.
What a great channel.Bravo !
Man is by nature a social animal
-*Aristotle*
If I was a feminist...Luckily I'm not
love you videos kings and generals.
can you make a video about the 30 years war
your sry
In future episodes, I'm sure K&G will cover the huge role that landless but highly skilled rowers played in the establishment of Greek "democracy." Athens was a seafaring city-state that grew prosperous based on her trading ties.
Babe wake up, kings and generals posted a video
Peisistratos sounds like what Caesar might've been, you know, minus the mass stabbing.
Well, he was eventually stabbed. But only by 2 people, not like 30+.
@@Vangden No, it was Peisistratos's *son* who was stabbed, after inheriting his father's position.
A “tyrant” who let’s the rich pay for the middle class is a great guy in my book!
@El Dimos Karam Not my king!
By the way hé doesn’t have any power either 🤣
@@comradekenobi6908 the Netherlands 🇳🇱
@El Dimos Karam all democracies are tyrants and must be abolished to allow a king or emperor to take over!
@@Jari-95 There is no such thing as a "good" or "benign" monarch, the very institution itself is abhorrent as is the existence of any sort of nobility. The french and the russians had the right idea about how to deal with this problem...
@@transsylvanian9100 you mean mass extermination!
Were one of the few (if not the only) countries who had a kingdom after a republic.
But type “kingsday” in the searchbar and then i want to know if your opinion changes
Palpatine: I love democracy
In the name of the Senate, you are arrested!
@@theawesomeman9821 Are you threatened me master Periklis?
He loves the republic
I am so excited to learn more from this series
Archons were formed when two High Templars merged and created a creature of pure energy and who likes screaming "Power overwhelming."
They were servants of the demiurge.
Is that Napoleon-Magicspoon transition the greatest segue in the history of UA-cam ads?
Hello. Would it be possible for you to make a playlist just for Ancient Greek history? There doesn't seem to be one on your channel. I would be so grateful.
Solon sounds upstanding.
No. If he actually cared about the poor he would have redistributed the land.
9:57
Solon is so way ahead of his time that he rejects Marxism
That’s the only mistake he made
Another great upload kudos bros keep up the goodwork ty
Lol, I didn't realize Magic Spoon had the Cato seal of approval.
"Magic Spoon only uses the finest grains. True Roman cereal for true Romans."
Excellent presentation 👏👏👏👏
There’s no cleaner profile than the one you have good sir.
Terima kasih.
amazing video this helps because i'm leaning about ancient Greece in my 9th period
Thx I have a test tommorow
Love the vids on this really early stuff.
Can we get a video on Venice? IMO it was way more interesting than iron age Rome
8:02
luckily there is an English subtitle to read the name of the dictator.
Please post more videos about
-Aristotle philosophy and wisdom
-Tengri mount and religion
-Ancient treasures
I am from Athens and I am lucky that I can see every morning Parthenon the symbol of democracy...η Ελλάδα έχει χτίσει τον δυτικό πολιτισμό
What were the implements that Solan and his contemporaries used to write their poems and other writings? I'm interested in the biro you Solan writing from left to right (instead of boustrophedon) and the material on which he is recording his thoughts
With a name like "Megacles" you gotta go hard 24/7
"Magic Spoon cereal is also Cato friendly"
I knew this was just an Optimate ploy