Engraved Tranter 577-Caliber Hand Cannon
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William Tranter’s Model 1868 revolver was his first centerfire design, and became very popular, made in a wide variety of sizes and styles. One of the very rarest of these today is the 5-shot .577 Boxer caliber, an absolute monstrosity of a revolver made for British adventurers worried about facing down lions and tigers. This is the only known engraved example, and it is beautifully done.
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"I say, old chap ... do you currently feel particularly fortunate?"
You Sir, have won the Internet today. Well played.
Did I fire four or five, old bean?
1SaG I’m using this.
*young chap
Bravo!
I know what perplexes you; did he discharge the replete quintuple of cartridges, or merely quadruple? Well, in the interest of verisimilitude, in all the hullabaloo we did misplace our account. Notwithstanding this being the .577 Tranter, the most efficacious handgun in the world, posessed as it were of the capacity to cleave head cleanly from nape, one is compelled to singularly but earnestly enquire in introspection: does luck inform my inclination? Well, does it, catamite?
Nolan that is priceless! Good on you
Uncouth Harold, the constabulary officer
Good, but period English would dictate "pistol" or "revolving pistol" if you prefer.
@@skepticalbadger If one was feeling historical, "hand gonne" would work.
UA-cam seriously needs a "love" emote
" if 5 rounds of .577 don't do it, you're in deep trouble" ...a understatement worthy of a true Englishman. :)
any more than 5 rounds would be un-sporting, old chap.
True. I remember in the 1980s when the Street sweeper shotgun hit US markets, people complained about the slow reload time, the thought was if you can't handle it with 12 rounds of 12 gauge, you weren't going to do it with 24. I'm sure Tranter felt the same way.
You need to find another solution.
‘In dire fortune’
This is a play on the old soldier's adage: "If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone screwed-up..."
Triple threat revolver: You shoots them until you run out of ammunition, the muzzle flash sets them on fire, then you beat them to death with it. If that fails, you escape in the cloud of blue smoke.
...with a couple of broken wrists for good measure.
Forgot that, if the situation calls, you can take off the cylinder to end him rightly
Sounds like quadruple threat to me
@@StrayGiaco450 Finally, a man of culture
Five rounds of pure "Rule Britannia" in your pocket...mostly.
If your pocket is big enough.
Tranter and Adams.......British hand cannons. The backbone of the British empire
SKAVENSLAVEEESSSS
A big enough pocket is not the thing. You'll need some seriusly reinforced fabric for this beast. I propose sheetmetal
After I took a look at the ammo, I think it's more like "Wide Boris Johnson walking"
"Engravings bring no tactical advantage"
-Ocelot, revolver
It brings one tactic; the Tactic of Cool
Revolver Ocelot
But .577 does
And yes, i was looking for this comment
*Standby for Colonization - Soviet gunslinger*
Jake B Revolver Ocelot
577 Gauge just slapped on the frame at any angle and spacing. Must have given the engraver an aneurism.
Also, .577 caliber is larger than 28-gauge.
Possibly added for sale in the USA otherwise it would be either .577 or 24 bore.
The irony is that almost all 577 firearms of that period are never 577. Nearly all are considerably bigger. My 1867 “H. Holland” 577 rifle is actually 586. Even quite a few of the Enfields actually exceed 600.
Everybody: About that bore axis
Tranter: I REALLY dislike your wrists. In fact, I want to break them. Yes, especially you.
You would think but judging from the specs it's about the same power (see edit) as .45acp out of a very big and heavy gun. So I suspect it would be quite easy on the recoil. Edit: I thought he said a 300 grain bullet for some reason but he actually said 400 grain so yeah, that's a lot heavier than .45acp. Still a bit slower but yeah, it's a good bit more power than .45acp.
@steve gable Wouldn't it be 525 ft/lbs?
Gives you leverage for when you need to pistol-whip a lion.
@starshipeleven If it pushed the bullet at 725 ft/sec then physics doesn't care if it's pushed by black powder, smokeless powder or a fricking spring. It's all going to recoil the same if all else is equal. (Though if you could make a spring loaded pneumatic gun where the piston was pushed backwards it might negate some of that recoil, but I doubt it could be done within the weight limit if at all and certainly not within the physical dimensions of this gun so it's only theoretical. Well I kind of doubt you could design a way to launch that bullet at that speed using a spring at all given the constraints either, but it's a fun thought experiment..)
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Smokeless powder puts higher acceleration on the projectile than black powder so there's some difference, the bullet takes a few more milliseconds to reach muzzle velocity. The shooter will feel the same recoil, but with lower impulse, and that may be the difference between taking a step back and taking a step back with a fractured wrist.
Everyone please make fun of Ian for featuring such a pretty, engraved gun on his channel. It will delight me.
I'm more worried you let Gun Jesus break quarantine.
Thy will be done, my lord. But wait, if we make fun of Gun Jesus, aren't we heretics? Then I say NAY, BEGONE FOUL BLASPHEMOUR!
@@turbowolf302 I believe that the videos are recorded not one at a time, but several videos at one place which are released some time apart and mixed up with other videos to make it more interesting for us. I also do not think they let him visit the HK grey room every other week, but he recorded a LOT of videos at once. So, this has probably not been filmed after the quarantine.
@@turbowolf302 He has a very substantial backlog of videos ready to be published, so he's probably not out and about. Any videos currently being made are probably being made at home, about one of his own guns or something else he can talk about without leaving home
A perfect gun for your bagina.
Ian will OWN the next backup gun match.
Imagine Ian hitting a spinner with that. Probably hit the target so hard that it will spin like a turboprop and take off. :D
@@michaelfodor6280 I got the same thought, it would hit the spinner hard. but I don´t think it will take of.
@@michaelfodor6280 i bet it would spin it in 3-4 shots.
Complete with lightning fast cylinder removal and reloading!
I mean, just shoot near the cardboard targets and the sheer airblast will shred them up to bits
At first I read “.577 trainer” and wondered what possible caliber you would need a .577 to train for.
Have you heard of Bullet Immunization technique? To reach .600 you would need to train with .577 first or risk fatal Bullet Rejection Syndrome.
If you have not heard of this technique before I happen to have one seat left at my next seminar on Advanced Bullet Immunization just for $350. Act fast or risk catching BRS!
@@Salesman9001 is "bullet rejection syndrome" the british equivalent of high velocity lead poisoning?
That .600 Nitro Express revolver, of course
It's training for artillerymen...
The T-72 has a 14.5mm sub-caliber training barrel. That's pretty close actually.
Victorian era anti tank revolver.
Tanks? It's for those pesky airships!
If there had been a film industry in 1868 this would have been the hero gun, like the Desert Eagle in the 1980s.
Someone on the Victorian internet would claim to have met someone who saw a hussar carry one into battle, and people would politely accuse him of shooting a line.
As a Brit I can say that this is us at our best. Elegant, understated, modest. The fact that it can destroy small buildings is just a bonus "old boy".
In the Warhammer 40,000 role-playing-game Dark Heresy, there is a very powerful heavy pistol named the ".54 Tranter." I always wondered why the designers called it that specifically, and I now suspect it was inspired by this gun.
Aahhh the "poor man's boltgun"
In the grimdarkness of the 41st millennium even revolvers are still relevant.
@@thepoliticalgunnut8018 Dude...in the 41st Millennium...folks still carry M1911s!
@@SMAXZO it conquered the galaxy, twice!
wait really?@@SMAXZO
A beautifully engraved handzooka - perfect for social distancing.
Won't kill viruses but it'll keep everyone well away from you.
handzooka... im stealing that.
if only it was a handzooka, you would not have to buy new wrists after each shot.. just mind the backblast
Well, the muzzle blast from that would pretty much sterilise anything, assuming it wasn't evaporized in the process
"The .45 ACP is still the ultimate manstopper."
Laughs in .577 ...
rotwang2000 laughs in 10mm
@@joshshirley9488 *best caliber
In other words, be it .577, 44 Mag, 10mm, .50, or a slew of other proprietary rare calibres like 11mm..... there's actually about three dozen hand calibres out there that make 45.ACP look anemic? Yeah pretty much.
@@joshshirley9488
10mm isn't that much of a hot load most loads are just slightly higher pressures than 40S&W which ballistically isn't much different than 45ACP. If you really want a hot 10mm you have to get buffalo bore or Underwood ammo which is expensive for only 20 rounds.
Attica Centurius. Laughs in 45/110
I'm smelling big bucks at auction. She's a beauty.
I read that most speculate only a hundred or so were made! That's pretty damn exclusive company!
And if whoever buys it spends all their money, they can just live inside it! It's massive!
It really is something special. From the looks of the grip angle it would probably break your wrist firing those big chunks of lead. Amazingly rare. Gun Jesus always delivers the goods.
@@stunitech a broken wrist would be merciful compared to whatever is on the business end.
@Nicolas Broszky Ain't nothing wrong with a gold shitter, I saw one in al-sijoud got me a taste for the finer things in life. 🤣😂
It always blows my mind that a gun like that is 150 years old and not only still around but in such great condition.
Made to last.
I dig Victorian era bottles, most of them are still in perfect condition.
2 known examples?! Either fireplace guy has the other one, or he's betting in this auction.
He generally seems to prefer prototypes over just generally rare pistols
He should join this chanel and just have his tag be fireplace guy.
Victorian hand-cannoneering: wip this thing out, shout "LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!!", shoot five times at the target, and declare whatever remains of it "colonized". *"Rule Brittannia" plays in the background*
If the Target does not stop an Officer draws his saber, or a Gentleman draws his sward cane and bravely meets his end.
@@steamboatmodel A American draws another revolver of the same type and caliber
@@upgradesky56
Then calls in for Artillery strike, air support and ocean launched cruise missiles
....just to make sure
I got to say, you are a big help to me. I suffer from anxiety and insomnia stemming from past trauma. The methodical nature of your posts, coupled with the
calm demeanor of your voice has gotten me through many restless nights. It's something I can tune into and calm my nerves, especially in these uncertain times. Thank you!
I'll trade it for 10 rolls of TP and 5 bean cans. Take it or leave it, Ian.
I cover your 10 rolls of TP and bean cans, and I raise two bottles of desinfectant.
I rather ask for that M48 Medusa. Double all you guys have with 2 sack of 10 kg of rice.
100 bottle caps
Gotta love the contrast between the silly huge frame and the rather pretty engraving.
I like that frame size, that looks like it'd sit in an average mans hand quite easily.
Shooting it, on the other hand...
I love the look of the muzzle with the rounded corners.
45 ACP : Proud of the damage I can inflict @ 900fps
.577 : hold my beer
Tea, my dear fellow. Hold my tea. ;)
@@GjVj If you think they drink beer in the UK you're sadly mistaken
@@GjVj lol! I stand corrected...tea it is old chap
@@GjVj Depends on the time of day, don't you know. In the evening it would be "Hold my port".
@@markfergerson2145 No A bit too refined,"hold my Pint dear chap."
Hi Ian,
I just received your book. It's gorgeous.
Greetings from France.
Thank you very much!
I feel this should be loaded with Silver bullets or Sabot jacketed Crosses
When dinosaurs attack... Tranter's got your back...
Also: Hellboy wants his pistol back...
If 5 shots don't do it you could always throw it at them, that thing is a beast!
It may be a beast, but it’s not a Hi Point. You don’t have to through it, maybe dazzle the bad guy with the beautiful scroll work, lol
As boris the blade said "heavy is good", "heavy is reliable", "if it doesn't work you can always hit them with it".
@@vksasdgaming9472 Retreat Never reverse the bloody thing grab the smoking barrel (with out flinching) and club the target into submersion. That is how you build an Empire.
@@jizzmonkey9679 That's one of the best movies ever, in my opinion.
That is certainly no "Show case Princess." Though it was obviously cared for, the scratches and wear marks show that it was close to hand on many an adventure.
Can you imagine the stories in those scratches?
A lot of the British percussion cap and early cartridge were so mechanically fascinating especially the double trigger adams and tranters
Looks like something a space ork would have. "OY! MOR DAKKA! NO? BIG BOOM!"
Stole it of a rogue trader.
I read an article in an old magazine that talked about these huge revolvers. One early Tranter .577 they showed in the article actually had the interchangeable cartridge and cap-and-ball cylinders, in case you were out on the frontier where powder and lead and caps were plentiful but cartridges weren't. A real cannon, either way!
For when your tank needs a back up weapon.
CleanerBen no the backup to this is a tank
I’m guessing this is going for a considerable amount.... can’t wait for the selling price video. Thanks as always.
I'd say $20k - $40K US
I'd pay 100,000$ if I had that much
When a Lancaster Howdah won’t cut it against five tigers.
Or a Webley Pryce
@Jake Roberts Tigers? In Africa?
@@coolspruta They exist but not as much as it is on South Asia
I always wonder why they take so much time making the engraving text look so nice, and then stamp the proof/gauge markings in as fast as possible while presumably drunk.
The engraver gets a finished gun to engrave that already has slapped on required proof/gauge markings.
Probably done by a completely different person.
I really can't imagine an engraver doing such a thing.
What Ian failed to mention, granted I don't blame him since it's a gorgeous gun and it would destract from the video, is Holland and Holland is a gun brand in England where you would spend a LOT of money for a pair of hand fitted, hand made, side by side shotguns that the upper echelons of society use for bird hunting
I imagine all the rest of them are lost to the desert or the jungle
Soooooo what you saying is safari time ?
“If 5 rounds of .577 doesn’t do it, you’re in deep trouble and you’ll have to come up with something else” I think that if you can’t kill something with five .577 boxers, the pistol is probably heavy enough to beat it to death
I would love to see an episode on the bowen 577 caliber redhawk ......... the bonus being we might get some 577 caliber shooting footage out of that ...
Or some footage of Ian getting his arm sewn back on
That cylinder design is a great example of something pointlessly awkward and complex existing as a carryover from a previous iteration where it was actually super clever and useful.
It's a shame clint eastwood didn't use this gun in any of his old west movies, otherwise you could say such character would be Harry Callahan's great-grandfather
The "did I fire five shots or only four? Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself."
"Would you mind waiting ten minutes while I reload?"
Eastwood wouldn’t carry a British gun, don’t know him but if you have watched gran Torino think about it
He did carry a pair of Colt Walkers in The Outlaw Josey Wales, which were the most powerful handguns at the time. The Walker Colt was only later surpassed in power by the Mars Automatic Pistol and much later the Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver.
I say, does one feel lucky old chap
Ian, it would be great if you could do a historical bit on the transition from rimfire to centerfire. Why was hitting on the rim so important early on? What technical problems needed to be solved to make centerfire work, etc? Maybe show us some weird examples that buck the trend -- centerfire guns before their time, or big / modern guns that are unexpectedly rimfire?
Thanks Ian, I had the opportunity to handle a Tranter revolver many years ago, it was a .50 cal. percussion revolver.I was impressed then, and once again with your viewing of this revolver.They were not as wieldy as a Colt, but they certainly had smack down, perhaps as much as a Walker.
A story involving a Tranter design feature came about in 1862, as related in Shelby Foote's "Civil Wat: A Narrative," when Union generals "Bull" Nelson and Jefferson Davis (bad name fir Davis' career, as you can guess), ending in the 300-pound Nelson slapping the crap out of Nelson. The furious Davis fled, yelling, "Does anyone have a pistol?" A nearby officer said, "I always carry the item," and passed the weapon to Davis. As Davis headed back into the fray the officer said, "It has a Tranter trigger, work light." Davis killed Nelson with one shot. Amazingly, Davis was cleared of charges and returned to service.
“If five shots of 577 don’t do it... you’re in serious trouble!” - Gun Jesus, March 2020
Truer words were never spoken!
Anyone else a little jealous of Ian's extremely cosy looking jumper?
When you look at these loading systems they really have to be considered against the cap & ball or rimfire systems of the day.
By our standards it's painfully slow, but by the standards of it's time it is quick, and being center fire a quantum leap in reliability.
I imagine the 577 was spectacular to fire with black powder. Nice looking!
I'm officially dubbing his sweater "Ian's Quarantine Sweater".
Does anyone know what brand it is or where he got it?
Wow, I just read an article by Bowen Classic Customs where he made a Ruger Redhawk use a .577 caliber cartridge based on these guns. These are so cool!
Is that Hellboy's pocket revolver?
Gorgeous engraving !!!!!!!! Thanks for showing this gorgeous revolver , Ian
It is a work of art! Not the engraving but the concept as a whole, BIG bore allstopper making no excuses to nobody. I love it.
Tranter is an English dialect word for owner , operator horse and cart business. So the makers ancestry was modest.
Lol okay? As is most of the worlds. Most people CAN NOT trace their family back to royalty. This has nothing to do with the gun or anything else.
@@bigbud6842
He just threw it out there for general information.
Don't act as such a SJW.
Mr Saturday Night Special thanks mate 👍
Awesome looking chunk of metal. Engraving does provide tactical advantages- distracts enemy with it's beauty=more time to aim.
That's a beauty!
William Tranter was an awesome brilliant enginutive creative man!
Who is said to have made both the best British percussion and cartridge revolvers.
Too bad that none of the replica arms manufacture makes any of the percussion or metalic cartridge British revolvers. I think they could make money replicating these especially in the behemoth caliber revolvers.
Ian, I hope you get to auction off and show some of the Behemoth Percussion Cap and Ball revolvers in 50/55/577 calibers by Adams, Tranter and the Austrian Scheinigg 55 caliber model 1860.
This is the type of weapon that causes the brown shorts factor. Someone breaks into your house and you fire one round and your local burglar gets brown shorts.And as to reloading who needs fast reloads when you just evaporated your opponent.
At least you aren't getting any blown out cartridges with that solid backplate.
500 Magnums great-great-great eccentric British uncle. :)
I was actually expecting something bigger.When Ian said it was in .577 caliber.
I've actually been waiting for a Tranter since started watching this channel [real bushranger hand arms]... Cheers from Australia
I've always wanted a Tranter. Very well designed for the day.
For some inexplicable reason, I love that pistol!
That's a beautiful revolver, I'd love to have one just like it.
"Engravings gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever." - Revolver Ocelot as Revolver Ocelot as Revolver Ocelot
Very pretty, and i like that the barrel isn't too long. Pleasing look.
Huh? I thought these things used to come with a limber and four horses, sort of like a modern day .50 cal Deagle ships with a self propelled tracked mount and an artillery spotting drone for counter battery work.
Tranter, Adams and Bulldogs, my absolute grail revolvers I need them.
Being stuck at home working I love letting your videos ryn in the background. There is something calming about your voice. Just saying
I’m going to share something personal. I have tinnitus and a falling asleep problem because of it. I use Ian’s video on proof marks to help me fall asleep. I think I might be responsible for maybe 10% of the views of that video, no joke.
thanks for sharing, Ian.
this is a magnificent piece.
I really appreciate this whole series and it’s well researched, true and told history! I still would love to see these guns demonstrated in addition to everything else...
A mix of beast and beauty.
Anyone want to bet Fireplace Collector nabs this gun? One of two, the only engraved copy. Granted it's not war 2 or German but still his kinda rare.
With that high bore axis, even though it's black powder, I bet it's a wrist breaker.
I like your jumper Ian.
The 577: For when you have to fight the literal Devil and they don't make a 578.
Nearly 500 ft/lbs, might not be a magnum load nowadays but was a good 20% ahead of the original Long Colt and Remington black powder metallic cartridges and with 400-450gr would smack hard downrange.....ideal for pesky tigers I'd have thought.... especially in the 1850's and 60's
You'd really have to go for a black powder Walker or a mad Lancester to get more heft back then
400 gr bullet (!) at 725 fps.....! Not too darn shabby!!!! (And damned impressive for that era!)
What utterly beautiful 5-shooter !!!
Sold for $34,500 - twice the estimate.
Ian: "Could I feature your gun on FW?"
Any sane seller: "Hell yeah!"
Since having more money than brains seems to be a common condition these days, I'm surprised it went that cheap. I'd love to have a .577 pistol of any type, but common sense keeps getting in the way of my gun collecting.
Yeah, that's a gorgeous and historically significant revolver, but what I really want to know is where Ian got that awesome sweater.
*scrolls down for "no tactical advantage" comments*
*is not disappointed*
Loving the handle
5:57 You're obviously fighting a dragon in that case.
Beautiful piece of engineering and art, and black powder or no, very....beefy....and perfectly fit for purpose.
As you say quite rightly, if five rounds from this don't solve the problem, whatever the problem is, that's because of the problem, not the gun, and one might need consider the solution, as unlikely as this is, might possibly be something other than shooting it.
Like my boy Jacob Levy said, thats a comfy looking sweater
look at that bore axis... gotta be the only gun you can get a good sight picture on while firing from the hip
For really big small game.
Any engraving on the back strap would end up decorating the hand.
That... is a fine looking firearm. I already feel envy towards its future owner.
That is a pretty modern looking revolver for something made late-mid 19th century
Looks like something Doomguy would use.
Old handguns seem absurd by modern standards, which is funny considering they still are primarily intended to blow holes in things. I guess a long, complex, awkward frontal reloading process is still far better than manually swabbing then ramming 1.) powder and 2.) a mini ball down the shooty end … What ho, tarry forth, Hastings, wot wot!
That .577 cal 400 gr bullet at 725 ft/sec would move a 100 pound ballistic pendulum 2.05 inches. That is incredible striking force from a handgun. For reference a 357 Mag 125gr @ 1450 ft/sec would move a 100 pound Ballistic pendulum 1.28 inches and a 5.56X45 62gr @ 2900 fps would move a 100 pound Ballistic Pendulum 1.27 inches. A 44 Mag 240 gr @ 1200 fps(typical 4" revolver) would move a 100 pound Ballistic Pendulum 2.04 inches. So the .577 revolver actually strikes as hard as a 44 Magnum! NOTE: "Muzzle Energy[ME]" is NOT bullet striking force; ME is the accelerating force of the powder charge. Example: the ME of the 357 Mag 125gr @ 1450 fps is 584 ft/lbs, or 1.06 horsepower to accelerate a 125 gr bullet to 1450 fps. The ME of the .577 400gr @ 725 fps is 467 ft.lbs, meaning that the .577 requires 25% LESS accelerating power to strike 60% harder than the 357 MAG!
What defines a magnum cartridge
You can't lie to us, Ian. We all know that is Hellboy's Good Samaritan
Thank you , Ian
Bet that kicks like a pissed off mule. No one hand shooting with that beastie.
I wonder how common it would have been to carry around multiple pre-loaded cylinders.