From a USAF pilot to a Navy aviator, you have, in my humble opinion, accurately captured General Mitchell’s legacy. It’s sad that Mitchell never lived to see his vindication, so we need to remember trailblazers like him and not be afraid to implement bold ideas. Bravo Zulu, Ward.
As I learned through my 23 years in the Air Force during numerous Professional Military Education (PME) courses, Billy Mitchell was the "Father" of modern airpower, and one of the most compelling reasons that the Air Force was born as a separate service on 18 Sep 47. A pioneer and an innovator, unapologetic in his belief, discounted by many. Reminds me of Elon Musk in many ways.
The general’s greatest fault was that he was a drunk. It helped ruin his marriage and killed him prematurely. But one thing is sure. While Douglas Mac Arthur and won fame during WW2, because the US did not dare retire him, Mitchell would never have been welcomed by a military that could never forgive him for his greatest “sin: Insubordination.
I have the movie about Gen. Billy Mitchell. He was a man of vision and conviction and a TRUE patriot. I'm proud to have been an Army Aviator in combat, and have frequent contact with the brave men I got to fly with in our war.Those of us that are still kicking having survived to come home, we are still a tight group after 50+ years. Our memories may be fading now, but the bond we share will live with us until it's our turn to check in upstairs, one final flight that we have to do solo.God Bless all of our military aviators in all branches. Thank you Ward for telling the story of a great man who's vision changed OUR world forever.
As a young Civil Air Patrol cadet, I earned the Billy Mitchel Award never knowing it's meaning or history. Thank You so much Ward. I'm now retired, Captain, Airbus, 30 years, American / USAirways.
Did Billy......ever document the NEED FOR... PARACHUTES.....IN WW1. IN 1912...THEY WERE JUMPING OUT OF PLANES....* MR SMITH. THANKS FROM AN OLD USAF crash firefighter
The greatest appraisal I ever received while flying B-52 was from an admiral after flying Teamwork 76. He asked me, "are you related to General Bill Mitchell".
I remember studying Mitchell over 50 years ago while in JROTC and a CAP cadet. The award that CAP cadets get when advancing to cadet officer ranks is the Billy Mitchell award, which I still have.
@@michaelhorning6014 Because that so-called disrespectful, insubordinate and laughably wrong fanatic was mostly correct and visionary about what he said about air power and the need for a separate air force. Because he saw the value of aircraft carriers and naval aviation, he worked with Admiral Sims(the father of naval aviation) in Sims fight to establish naval aviation especially aircraft carriers. After his retirement following his court martial and shortly before his death in 1936, Mitchell convinced President Roosevelt that he should expand the Navy's carrier force as sea air arm that could support landings(invasions) as well as attack the enemies forces in the event of actual war. This advocacy saved us because in the first months of our entrance into WWII, the Japanese had vertually destroyed most of our land-based airpower in the Pacific at Pearl Harbor, in the Philippines and throughout the Asia-Pacific Theater. Our victory over the Japanese at Midway by our naval carrier forces began the long process of winning the war. Along with this victory when the rebuilding of the Army, including the Army Air Corps/Army Air Forces so that by the war's end we were supreme in the air, on the land and in the sea. In gratitude for his service and contribution to a war that began five years after his death, Roosevelt postumously promoted him to Major General and decorated him with the Congressional Medal of Honor. Sometimes the seemingly disrespectful, insubordinate and laughably wrong fanatic are the true visionaries that you want to listen to and apply their reforms to improve your society.....I know of what I speak as I am one of those so-called fanatics:-)!
Having served 29 years on active duty (with one not so memorable in Viet Nam) I can reasonably say no one likes new ideas which threatens their rice bowl. Appreciate you making this presentation possible.
I may be too old to think that I will see this prediction to come true, but I once spoke with a sailor of high rank who predicted that our carriers would suffer the fate of the battle ships in a war. That destroyers serving as a world police force are more useful.
There is good reason to be skeptical of new ideas, and the notion that a problem can be solved simply by listening to the more radical thinkers is pure selection bias. Anyone can have an idea, and you don’t hear the history of people who come up with new ideas that are wrong or even outright fraudulent - save for when doing so results in major procurement disasters like LCS or Zumwalt.
I've known the history of Brig. Gen Mitchell. Having earned the Billy Mitchell Award in Civil Air Patrol, and now in my 6th year of active duty as a Navy hospital corpsman, Mitchell has always been an image of how I conduct myself and look objectively at leadership and doctrine. Knowing how to spot, question, and ignore stuffy military careerists who know more about dinner parties than being part of a fighting force. Not to blindly follow rank and instead seek out those with knowledge and experience regardless of status or grade. I however have never seen Mitchell's story produced and explained so well. As a senior member now in Civil Air Patrol, I have given variouse other cadets under me the prestigious Mitchell Award. I harp on my cadets alot on being a well versed historian, especially on the events and figures that thier promotions and awards are named after. I'll definitely be using your video at a meeting soon and get them well aquianted with the man of who the rank of cadet 2dLt is named. BravoZulu, Ward!
Drachinifel just uploaded a video about Mitchell too, and let's just say he puts the events of that era in a totally different light. I'm just a Dutch civilian, so I don't know jack. But I'd highly recommend giving it a watch. You're probably better positioned than me to separate fact from fiction when it comes to the actual history. So I'm curious whether you think Ward's or Drachinifel's story matches better with historical sources, etc :) Cheers!
In the late 60’s, I did a class report in 8th grade on Mitchell and this piece warmly conjured up memories of that whole experience. He was truly ahead of his time. Thanks, Ward!
Amazing content! My son is 15 in the Civil Air Patrol. Been doing it since he was 12. Now I see why he strives for the Billy Mitchell award in CAP. A very coveted award, as it should be! Thank you!!
"Tears and chills" (at 20:50) when reference to General Mitchell's prediction that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbor and then have the USS Arizona sunk by bombs just eight days after the Navy's boast of its invincibility!!
Fantastic analysis! The lack of judgement and imagination of senior military commanders is frightening! I was struck by the fact that Billy Mitchell’s namesake - R J Mitchell (designer of the Spitfire) also died too young to see the results of his pioneering work. Thanks for a great video.
Actually one more comment. The Billy Mitchell Award is one of the most important milestones within the Civil Air Patrol cadet program as it is when cadets become a cadet second lieutenant. As a result, I shared this information with our squadron commander and we are going to be introducing this video to our cadets as part of our leadership training. Thank you so much for all your work on this.
I watched the film some years back. I was amazed at the foresight and clarity of Billy Mitchell and his willingness to sacrifice his entire career to get the military on the right track. Great episode!
I remember seeing the movie in the mid ‘50s with my Dad who was a navigator on a B-17 during WWII. Though I was a child at the time, I’ll never forget it.
@Ward Carroll - great content as usual! 1 foot note - the National Park Service airport at Cape Hatteras (HSE) located on the Outer Banks of North Carolina is named after General Billy Mitchell.
Great video. Gen. Mitchell was a hero of mine, as a child, and still his. I wrote a report on him and his advocacy for air power in elementary school. He was a visionary and visionaries arent often well received in bureucratic institutions like government and the armed forces. Its interesting that our armed forces encourages junior leaders to take the initiative, to improvise, and often to act without direct orders in combat. But stifles that initiative, improvisation and willingness to act when applied in other areas.
Outstanding! I know this took a lot of time and research, and the writing is just excellent. Mitchell was a friend of my grandfather CC Moseley who also flew in France in 1917 and 1918. He was a hero.
Cadets across the nation are still learning about him- the Billy Mitchell Award coincides with the promotion to Cadet 2d Lt in CAP, and eligibility for automatic E-3 upon enlistment.
The cadet dining hall at USAFA is Mitchell Hall. The airport in Milwaukee, WI is General Mitchell International Airport. Great video. John, USAFA 1975.
What a terrific episode, Ward. As USAF cadets, we were all taught about Billy Mitchell (along with other aviation pioneers). He was a true visionary and you summed him up really well.
I was once the Deputy Commander for Cadets in a Civil Air Patrol squadron in northern Virginia. I was proud of my cadets and loved it when they achieved the Billy Mitchell award, which introduced them to the cadet officer ranks. The man was a visionary and true maverick. The movie, as good as it was with Gary Cooper in the lead role, I felt never truly did Billy Mitchell justice.
I learned of Billy Mitchell in my youth as a CAP Cadet some 35+ years ago and earning the Mitchell Award. Your video is by far the most historically accurate takes on his life, role and legacy in military aviation I've seen. In addition to Mitchell's contribution proving the benefits of carriers and naval avation, a young Lt.Curtis Lamay was chosen as a navigator on the new YB-17 in the mid 1930's, b/c the Navy, still wasn't sold on the benefits of land based aviations ability to locate, or destroy ships far out at sea. I believe there was also a wager between the Navy & Army Air Corps that they wouldn't be able too do so. LeMay not only proved it possible, but effective, efficient and necessary. The history & contributions of Mitchell, Arnold, Spaatz, Rickenbacker, Selfridge, LeMay & Goddard need too be told and celebrated, there pioneering efforts were truly remarkable!
Tremendous episode! I think the greatest irony of the whole Billy Mitchell situation is that the two countries paying attention to his thoughts in the 1930s were Japan and Germany. It was miraculous that the US and the western Allies were able to win WWII. Sometimes the US “can’t see the forest for the trees”.
Breaking the codes (another "they will never break OUR codes" misapprehension) helped greatly.... if you know what's being planned........ counter planning can be undertaken....
I'm prior Navy and can see how a guy like Mitchell could REALLY ruffle feathers as they might have said, "This is how we have always done it." What an amazing patriot he is! While he had personal issues, his commitment "to fight all enemies, foreign and domestic" was clearly what his career was about. And paid a price. How can we keep flag officers from being politicians and remain war fighters? Lincoln learned that after suffering McClellan for so long, then hearing of Grant's drinking, he said something like "Find out what he's drinking and send it to the other generals." A great politician backing a great war fighter, when the Nation was on it's knees. (2 of my ancestors served in the La. 2nd Heavy Artillery). Great video Mr. Carrol. Lastly, I have been half searching for years of a WW2 Navy surface CO. So long ago I read the entire "Two Ocean War" by Adm. Morison and he wrote about this man, who's ship always pulled into port looking a bit shoddy, but never lost a battle. Instead of polishing brass he had to boys train, train and train on fighting. I lost all of the volumes of that book, but Morison's writing of him made my hair stand on end in admiration. And apparently the moral of his boys was high, because they kept winning! Who was this amazing man? I need to rediscover him.
Excellent and informative. One word of caution: Mitchell's audacity and foresight proved out. Many others who were just as sure of themselves did not. Remember the lesson of putting armor where the holes are.
That's one point in the Navy's defense. There are lots of "visionary" ideas. Few of them are actually right. That said, the Navy really missed the ball on this one and could have been in much worse shape for WW2 without Mitchell.
Yep. One only needs to look at recent history: LCS, Zumwalt, and the whole “forward from the sea” littoral pivot are the opposite outcome you risk by moving fast and trying to adopt good ideas early.
Sure…not all foresight is created equal. Mitchell wasn’t merely lucky….nobody is saying that everyone with an idea should be empowered in proportion to their audacity without opposition. Much of what the Navy was saying at the time was already provably ridiculous. Mitchell wasn’t vindicated 100 years later…he was vindicated immediately on certain points and within a decade or so on others. Hell, AirPower aside, the obsession with battleships was already ridiculous.
Absolutely loved this episode. As a retired Airman, I really enjoy hearing about and learning more about my branch of service. (I also enjoy learning about the other branches.) I believe knowing our history is important. However, like Brig Gen Mitchell, I believe we can"t win future conflicts without advancing technology. Thank you for your service and work on these videos.
I agree & found the content of this video fascinating. I was a U.S. Naval Aircrewman (1990-1995) and I get upset that todays generation of high school & college kids not only have no idea about any of this or just our military history in general, but could also care less. They're mostly engaged heavily with TikTok, Instagram while also having their safe spaces violated. All while being unable to find Israel or Yemen on a map.
As usual, an OUTSTANDING presentation , Commander Carroll.... I believe that Officer Mitchell was a true visionary, and a true Hero, and those who disliked him were usually quite POMPOUS to the point of HIDING the KNOWN vulnerabilities of the Battleships and other military Equipment and personnel , against aerial attacks... Unfortunately Billy Mitchell passed away before he could see how much The NAVY , The MARINE CORPS , The ARMY and The AIR FORCE were able to successfully defend our country and overtake our enemies, with the use of Air Power.... It is great to know that he finally received the recognition he (Billy Mitchell) deserved, nearly 70 years after he passed away...
I learned a lot about Mitchell from my time in CAP. This was by far the best summary of his life and legacy I've encountered. Nicely done, Ward Carroll!
A good piece of writing, and the vids were tremendously interesting. The usual histories have a paragraph here, a sentence there about Billy Mitchell, but this is the deepest dive I've yet seen, and it's fascinating. Ward, thanks very much indeed!
Wow, I had no idea. As usual Ward Carroll delivers a video chock full of facts and information without the usual dead fluff of other channels. This one is especially informational given the incredible forecasts of Billy Mitchell. Bravo!
Thanks, Ward. Patton used to hold sermons to eight minutes. If you can't say it 8 minutes, you can't say it. Your shows are like that. You say it. Billy Mitchell is one of my favorites, but most of his influence is pre-war (WWII planning and development). Good show!
@darrencorrigan8505 Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with the 8 minute philosophy in this situation. To summarize Brig Gen Mitchell, his thinking, his accomplishments, his legacy, let alone his life and his history cannot be done. Today we have much to be thankful for due to his air superiority doctrine above all other forms of national defense.
I’ve watched this twice now. Billy Mitchell is a hero of aviation, he saw where things were going and fought the good fight. Imagine an Air Force officer fighting for Navy Air power today 😂. Loved the shoutout for Lord Trenchard, before he joined/formed the Royal Air Force he was an infantry officer in my Regiment(Royal Scots Fusiliers) later to become the Royal Highland Fusiliers. As an army infantry regiment we still revere an Air Force officer. Mitchell reminds me of Admiral Denfeld who fought for naval air power during the Revolt Of The Admirals. Another good officer who sacrificed his career for the greater good. Love this video, Mooch, love it.
Mooch, in your excellent closing temarks you made the case that Mitchell was an innovator and a man of extraordinary vision, but that such innovators are often thwarted by advocates of the status quo. Mitchell's personal and professional style gave ammunition to his distractors who ultimately destroyed his career, but not his continuing advocacy of air power as a private citizen. I immediately thought of other mavericks like the Navy's Hyman Rickover, and the Air Force's John Boyd. Rickover succeeded in foiling his enemies' attempts to scuttle his career as a tireless proponent of nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers by cultivating powerful Senators and Congressmen who overrode his detractors in the Department of the Navy. Boyd was an unlikely visionary in the design and procurement of Air Force fighter aircraft. His prickly and bombastic personality alienated his superiors in the Pentagon who stunted his promotion to flag rank. Nevertheless, Boyd's vision and indefatigable persistence against all professional odds gave us two of America's most valuable tactical aircraft, the F-16 Fighting Falcon (AKA "Viper") and the A-10 Thunderbolt II (AKA "Warthog"). Boyd not only thought about future USAF airplanes, he also became a self taught master of tactical battlefield decision making. He is well known for devising the OODA Loop, a tool for commanders to make quick and decisive analysis and take proper action to win in the air and on the battlefield. The Marines adopted Boyd's ideas, and no modern USMC leader is unaware of John Boyd's OODA Loop. I can almost hear Billy Mitchell chuckling in the background.
Excellent commentary. This is the most comprehensive account I have seen regarding BG Mitchell's history and influence on military aviation tactics. Bravo Zulu, Mooch! 👍
Thank you Ward Carrol. My Dad was a WSO in the F-4D/E, and retired at your same grade. I will be forwarding him this video. I remember reading about Billy Mitchell in Aces over the Pacific. One of my father's later assignments was to the USAF Doctrine Center. Which is funny as I have gradually brought him over to the side of more flexibility over less. Thank you again excellent sir!
Ward, your insightful and unvarnished video on BG Mitchell highlighted details of his visionary brilliance and unconventional methods that are revised to a politically correct narrative in Air Force ROTC and professional military education. In 25 minutes I’ve gained an appreciation I didn’t comprehend in 9 years as an AF Officer. Namely, his passion to innovate despite the personal costs that is too frequently the consequences suffered by visionaries in large, traditional organization. I’ve since been a part of major innovation a number of times in my IT career after military service and fully appreciate the cultural, financial and operational commitment required to do it well. I appreciate your consistently excellent content.
As a Marine Corps Naval Aviator, it pains me to say that in light of the PRC's potential invasion of Taiwan, and China's potent antiship missile arsenal, we may be witnessing a watershed revolution in the Navy's capital weapons platforms similar to the one that saw the carrier displace the battleship in the 1920s and '30s. While publicly discussing a future war with China over Taiwan, I've recently heard senior Navy planners say that China's antiship missiles would force our vulnerable carrier battle groups to redeploy east at least a thousand miles from Taiwan. That would effectively emasculate the strike threat of Naval Air power. What then? That leaves the air and surface defense of Taiwan against Chinese amphibious invasion in the hands of our shrinking force of fast attack submarines and US Air Force fighter and attack forces based in Japan, Taiwan, and potentially the Philippines. Our shipbuilding industry which at the peak of WWII was launching a new Liberty Ship every few hours, with slightly longer launch intervals for carriers and other surface men of war, can now barely manage to build one fast attack submarine a year! To deter or stop the invasion of Taiwan once war becomes imminent, we need the subs to mine the shallow Strait and stand by to finish destruction of the PRC's amphibious fleet with sub launched antiship missiles and long range torpedoes. Interested in your take, Mooch.
Apparently my acquaintance whom I meet aboard the bowling retired the QE2 . whose name I do not recall, but who seemed to be full informed, was just passing on what many of you think, to a civilian who was enthralled. From his manner, I guessed at least a retired captain.
I agree that China's hypersonic missiles are a threat but, I would point out, that recent reports out of China indicate that the missiles themselves are pretty shoddily built and may no perform as designed. Regarding shipbuilding, I would agree that our ability to build ships has been diminished, but to compare the building of Liberty ships to that of a nuclear attack submarine is ridiculous. An attack submarine is orders of magnitude more complex than a liberty ship. I would also point out that the liberty ships were only expected to make one transit of the Atlantic and were considered disposable. They also had a nasty habit of spontaneously cracking in half and sinking with all hands.
Ward thank you for such an excellent video. in the 11th grade I did a book report on Mitchell, his vision of the future of war fighting is unprecedented in my opinion
We need A LOT more people like this fine gentleman in today's overcensored society. All the emphasis in current time is put on hurty feelings not happening and we're so bound by "safety culture" thay we are severely handicapped
Ward, I’ve just recently come across a collection of three scrapbooks that my dad put together in 1931 to 1932 in New York describing the state of aviation around the world at that period in our history. The scrapbooks have about 200+ pages with an average of about 8 to 10 articles per page front and back. I was absolutely stunned by finding articles about Charles Lindberg, Amelia Earhart, Billy Mitchell, the Wright Brothers, James, Doolittle, and a ton of other famous aviators at that time, and their activities. There were articles about the state of Army Air Force and Naval Air Power. There are stories about the USS Akron and the USS Los Angeles, and about the the German Graf Zeppelin. An article about Charles Lindberg and his wife almost getting killed in a plane crash in China that Lindberg was flying. There’s another article about Amelia Earhart trying to duplicate Lindberg‘s flight across the Atlantic to Paris and crashing short in Ireland and almost drowning. There are articles about what you discussed in this video such as a Japanese attacking China, and American flyers signing on with the Chinese Air Force to fight the Japanese. I’ve got about 50 pages that I’ve taken pictures of as examples. I’m willing to share them. I’m at a loss as to what to do with this thing otherwise. This has to be an incredible research source. Any suggestions? I don’t just want to throw it out.
Maybe the Smithsonian or Library of Congress would be interested, although I imagine they may have the same materials, archives that they are. Depending on how much is related to Billy Mitchell, the Wisconsin State Historical Society may have an interest, or the aviation museum at Milwaukee's Mitchell Field Airport.
Digitize and preserve it! Then maybe donate it to the world? Say via the web, as a pdf? Maybe? As a time capsule this is a very cool find! It presents it's own story of the history of an era, and that's seriously 😎
As a board member of the Broomfield (Colorado) Veterans Memorial Museum, I am confident that our curation department would be interested, particularly if any of your material had some connection with Colorado, regardless of how minor.
@@bearowen5480 I’m fairly sure I saw Colorado mentioned in there somewhere. Maybe about air mail service being established there, or Flyers being from Colorado, or something to that extent. I’ll try to check it to see in the next few days. As a wild guess, I estimate there probably 2000 different articles in the collection. I believe the best bet is to photograph each page in order to preserve it. After being packed away in a trunk for 90 plus years it is very fragile!
Man, if Mitchell, or better yet his opposition could somehow see what modern A/F and Naval airpower has become, in regards to the capability of armaments and airspeed alone, I can only imagine the smile it'd bring to Mitchell. This man had one hell of a foresight, short and LONGTERM, far exceeding any of his counterparts of his day and age. Can you imagine where the U.S. might be right now if his ideas, predictions, and subordinate actions had not happened? It's not hard to imagine the world looking quite a bit different if thought is given to the implications of that scenario- and IMHO, Mitchells martyrdom propelled the U.S. to evolve into the 'complete and full-spectrum military superpower' that it became. Thank you, Ward, for this enlightening history lesson. I had no idea that all of this took place until right now.
It is a difficult thing: knowing how far to push the limits of one's authority when attempting to leverage the strengths of their resources. I do not envy officers who have to temper their tactical knowledge with prevailing political pressures. That being said, every great pilot I ever worked with tended to push the envelope at one time or another. Great episode again Ward!
Outstanding content, sadly the Military has had many General Mitchell’s throughout its history thru today. What’s worse is how many of those officers had their careers tanked before their leadership and vision could have impacted our nation/military.
Ward's best one yet. The origins. In the beginning was the Battleship. Then came the aircraft. The rest is history. The '41 Army Navy Game program is a gem.
I never cease to enjoy, learn from and be inspired by your videos. This one was out of the park for me. You're a TALENT sir, apparently at anything you set your hand to do. From your assessments of the current fighting in the Middle East, to this excellent biography, to the stories and interviews, to the Rickenbackers, Gibsons and Marshalls lined up behind you... a real renaissance man. More like this please.
It was a joke. I have many personal friends who are/were military pilots/aviators. I'm a pilot (non-military) myself. My friends include Tomcat guys, Huey guys, Blackhawk guys, etc. Like I said, it was a joke. My friends laugh. In any case, I think we can agree that Ward has THE best aviation channel on the internet.
Great work as always, Ward! I always look forward to your uploads! The challenge is Michell was right, but that he went about it the wrong way. He made the mistake solders, especially senior officers can’t afford: he allowed his ego to get bigger than the mission. During WW2, ‘even famous hardasses like Patton knew when to buckle down and follow orders. MacArthur got canned for the same reason in Korea. As brilliant and visionary as he was, flouting the chain of command sets a bad example.
My grandfather served in France in the US Army Signal Corps as a supply lieutenant. During combat operations he was stationed at an airfield just North of a town called Bar-le-Duc. Our entire family visited the area in 2018 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of his service. It was important to do because he passed away before my generation was born, and my Dad had never seen the area. In doing research to give my family some background about what grandpa was up to, I came across a lot of information about Billy Mitchell’s genius in developing supply chains for combat air units. Of course, military people have known how to do supply for millennia, but air combat operations were brand new and this was being done across oceans and continents in 1918. My mind was blown and I was glad to tell my family about Billy Mitchell’s genius and our family member’s part in making it all happen. I have no idea if he ever met Billy Mitchell. No particular reason for a 2nd Lieutenant to have. He told my dad that he and his team were at the supply depot when a German artillery shell hit. Obviously it was a dud, or I wouldn’t be telling you this. My dad served in the Navy in the 1950’s on board a destroyer, the Rodman, which sometimes performed escort duty for the carrier Wasp. We visited Wasp together in San Diego about 5 years ago. That was great. My Dad passed away this past Saturday at 94. He would have loved to watch this video with me. But I have enjoyed it in both his and my grandfather’s memory. Thanks Ward! Your content always rocks!
Wow! What an astounding story! Thanks so much for taking the time to research this. My grandfather was an Army Air Service armorer in France during WWI, so he may have seen or heard Billy Mitchell at some point. He brought back some amazing photos.
Wow, very well done Ward! As another evil Air Force pilot who attended USAFA, it was beaten into us from day 1 that we owed pretty much everything as an armed Service to Billy Mitchell….this just confirms it!
This episode, hit me. I remember how the story was written in books. How it was taught in classes, in C.A.P. How, it was thought regarding its impact in military aviation. All of the things we take for granted today, were foreseen, by men like Gen Mitchell. Plus, I remember the movie. The establishment, stacked the deck against him, his men, and the concept. Yet, today, its alive and well in doctrine and as written in history. Big time thank you, for this video. Semper Fi!
@AUTiger1964 Still fighting WWII??? Don’t think so… We’d have lost to the Jerrys and Japs had it not been for America’s industrial ability and getting the A-bomb first. If you want to watch a video on TV that will make you think twice about America you want to see the Prime Video series (all 4 parts) “Man In The High Castle”. This program will show you what life may have been like in America if the Axis had won WWII. It sure taught me to love America, with all its faults, as we have it rather than what it could have been if we lost. Good luck!!
I was USAF enlisted in the 90's, if my memory serves me correctly, our training materials at the time recognized him as a Brigadier General. Great video, will re-watch this one with my sons!
Fantastic Ward! Everyone wants change as long as they aren't the ones who have to change. It is breathtaking how quickly Billy Mitchell's predictions came true, and how preposterous they seemed right before they happened. One reason we should be heeding the tech folks warning about the dangers of AI. They understand and appreciate the mayhem that can be wrought far better than most of us.
As a navy vet and a navy retiree TD1 USN retired. Several things. I love your perspective. 1. I have heard that Japan sinking the Battleships at Pearl Harbor did us a great favor and changed our view on the value of Aircraft Carriers and Air power. 2. I an one time advocated one service with all functions as manpower could easily be shifted from one mission from another but have over time changed my mind. 3. The USN trains tech people on a broader basis then narrower training to a specific MOS. An example I give is an air force Sgt. who was is base engineering support. He gain rank faster then the Airforce people around him because he was former Navy and had a broader training. I later had my own experience working at Miramar Air station in public works. One of the worst policies was deferred maintenance. Also reluctance of higher management on adapting to new tech. Airpac in the late 80's limited the use of any computerized tech and held as back trying to update. Keep up the great videos as I have learned much about the higher world of people with stars on their shoulders.
Outstanding episode, Sir! I salute you and I would also salute General Mitchell. The smugness of those who prosecuted and condemned him is magnified by the boldness and accuracy of Mitchell's predictions.
Wearing an unauthorized, custom uniform to your court martial is a major league flex...would've loved to have seen the brass start clutching the pearls when he walked in
Amazing work on this one! Had never heard of this American legend. What an absolute visionary. Man would he be proud of us today. Having the 2 largest air forces in the world
Bravo! My father was a 34 year old Master Tech Sergeant running a team of mechanics for a B-24 bomb wing out of Britain during the war. He told me that the creation of the Army Air Corps was General Mitchell's creation -- after the trial -- what blindness both the Navy and Army displayed after the first conflict.
Thank you Commander Carroll for a very informative episode. General Mitchell was definitely well before his time and had uncanny abilities to see the future. General Mitchell was truly an American hero.
Fantastic synopsis! I was gripped from start to end-and I had had no intention of watching the whole thing but, your pacing and on point script kept me riveted. Thank You, Ward Be Well. Keep up the excellent content
Maverick's name in Top Gun is Pete Mitchell, and his father "Duke Mitchell". They must have chosen that surname as a tribute, and also, given the characters' personality as a "rebel", it fits perfectly.
FYI!!! It's probably the best historical brief you've done so far, Ward.. A few years ago, I bought myself and another fellow Snipe an aft of the bomb bay ride in a Colling's Foundation B-25J. It was money totally well spent. It gave me a total appreciation of the Doolittle Raiders.
So interesting! I’m a Marine Vet who’s dream it was to be a Harrier Pilot… settled for Machinegunner,, and going for my private pilots license… was curious what Mitchell’s ties to Wisconsin were, as we named Mitchell International Airport in honor…. With a B25 as you drive into the main spot
As a Brit I fully agree with your view. Billy Mitchell was a superb visionary and it doesn't matter which side of the pond you reside on he was right. We in Britain were a bit luckier, we did have the foresight to build aircraft carriers. The first being HMS Argus a converted merchant ship. It had an unobstructed landing deck and entered service in 1918.
You got that right about the base. Space Force is the base that should have his name. He should have his own statue in DC. Rickenbocker should also get a lot more recognition. Fooey on their little ego passing contest.
Thank you for sharing finite knowledge that most Americans are too embarrassed to admit. I served as a fire-control tech on A6-A&B Intruders in ‘68 & ‘69 with the 1st Marine Air Wing in Vietnam. Proud beyond words for the work I did and of the close air support and planned missions our pilots flew. We have 100% to win a war that our leaders in Washington never truly understood….does anything ever change? 🙏🇺🇸😎
From a USAF pilot to a Navy aviator, you have, in my humble opinion, accurately captured General Mitchell’s legacy. It’s sad that Mitchell never lived to see his vindication, so we need to remember trailblazers like him and not be afraid to implement bold ideas. Bravo Zulu, Ward.
As I learned through my 23 years in the Air Force during numerous Professional Military Education (PME) courses, Billy Mitchell was the "Father" of modern airpower, and one of the most compelling reasons that the Air Force was born as a separate service on 18 Sep 47. A pioneer and an innovator, unapologetic in his belief, discounted by many. Reminds me of Elon Musk in many ways.
Except Musk would have been working for the Germans.
The general’s greatest fault was that he was a drunk. It helped ruin his marriage and killed him prematurely. But one thing is sure. While Douglas Mac Arthur and won fame during WW2, because the US did not dare retire him, Mitchell would never have been welcomed by a military that could never forgive him for his greatest “sin: Insubordination.
Agreed!
Bravo Zulu General Mitchell .....Former USAF and USN
I have the movie about Gen. Billy Mitchell. He was a man of vision and conviction and a TRUE patriot. I'm proud to have been an Army Aviator in combat, and have frequent contact with the brave men I got to fly with in our war.Those of us that are still kicking having survived to come home, we are still a tight group after 50+ years. Our memories may be fading now, but the bond we share will live with us until it's our turn to check in upstairs, one final flight that we have to do solo.God Bless all of our military aviators in all branches. Thank you Ward for telling the story of a great man who's vision changed OUR world forever.
As a young Civil Air Patrol cadet, I earned the Billy Mitchel Award never knowing it's meaning or history. Thank You so much Ward. I'm now retired, Captain, Airbus, 30 years, American / USAirways.
I’m Mitchell # 43981, and Earhart 10643 what number are you?
Did Billy......ever document the NEED FOR... PARACHUTES.....IN WW1. IN 1912...THEY WERE JUMPING OUT OF PLANES....* MR SMITH. THANKS FROM AN OLD USAF crash firefighter
The greatest appraisal I ever received while flying B-52 was from an admiral after flying Teamwork 76. He asked me, "are you related to General Bill Mitchell".
Nah he's my cousin.
I remember studying Mitchell over 50 years ago while in JROTC and a CAP cadet. The award that CAP cadets get when advancing to cadet officer ranks is the Billy Mitchell award, which I still have.
I cherished handing those awards out to my cadets. I salute you.
Why are they celebrating a disrespectful, insubordinate, laughably wrong fanatic?
@@michaelhorning6014 Wrong? He was spot on about 90% of what he said.
@@rogerd777Don't feed the trolls, my friend. It's always a pointless endeavor.
@@michaelhorning6014 Because that so-called disrespectful, insubordinate and laughably wrong fanatic was mostly correct and visionary about what he said about air power and the need for a separate air force. Because he saw the value of aircraft carriers and naval aviation, he worked with Admiral Sims(the father of naval aviation) in Sims fight to establish naval aviation especially aircraft carriers. After his retirement following his court martial and shortly before his death in 1936, Mitchell convinced President Roosevelt that he should expand the Navy's carrier force as sea air arm that could support landings(invasions) as well as attack the enemies forces in the event of actual war. This advocacy saved us because in the first months of our entrance into WWII, the Japanese had vertually destroyed most of our land-based airpower in the Pacific at Pearl Harbor, in the Philippines and throughout the Asia-Pacific Theater. Our victory over the Japanese at Midway by our naval carrier forces began the long process of winning the war. Along with this victory when the rebuilding of the Army, including the Army Air Corps/Army Air Forces so that by the war's end we were supreme in the air, on the land and in the sea. In gratitude for his service and contribution to a war that began five years after his death, Roosevelt postumously promoted him to Major General and decorated him with the Congressional Medal of Honor. Sometimes the seemingly disrespectful, insubordinate and laughably wrong fanatic are the true visionaries that you want to listen to and apply their reforms to improve your society.....I know of what I speak as I am one of those so-called fanatics:-)!
Having served 29 years on active duty (with one not so memorable in Viet Nam) I can reasonably say no one likes new ideas which threatens their rice bowl. Appreciate you making this presentation possible.
I may be too old to think that I will see this prediction to come true, but I once spoke with a sailor of high rank who predicted that our carriers would suffer the fate of the battle ships in a war. That destroyers serving as a world police force are more useful.
@@johnschuh8616Carriers are less and less viable every day as primary capital ships.
There is good reason to be skeptical of new ideas, and the notion that a problem can be solved simply by listening to the more radical thinkers is pure selection bias. Anyone can have an idea, and you don’t hear the history of people who come up with new ideas that are wrong or even outright fraudulent - save for when doing so results in major procurement disasters like LCS or Zumwalt.
I've known the history of Brig. Gen Mitchell. Having earned the Billy Mitchell Award in Civil Air Patrol, and now in my 6th year of active duty as a Navy hospital corpsman, Mitchell has always been an image of how I conduct myself and look objectively at leadership and doctrine. Knowing how to spot, question, and ignore stuffy military careerists who know more about dinner parties than being part of a fighting force. Not to blindly follow rank and instead seek out those with knowledge and experience regardless of status or grade.
I however have never seen Mitchell's story produced and explained so well. As a senior member now in Civil Air Patrol, I have given variouse other cadets under me the prestigious Mitchell Award. I harp on my cadets alot on being a well versed historian, especially on the events and figures that thier promotions and awards are named after.
I'll definitely be using your video at a meeting soon and get them well aquianted with the man of who the rank of cadet 2dLt is named.
BravoZulu, Ward!
Good for you my friend. I did 17yrs as a senior member. Best days of my life.
@@petergreenwald9639Been a senior member for 7 years . Great organization !
Drachinifel just uploaded a video about Mitchell too, and let's just say he puts the events of that era in a totally different light.
I'm just a Dutch civilian, so I don't know jack.
But I'd highly recommend giving it a watch.
You're probably better positioned than me to separate fact from fiction when it comes to the actual history.
So I'm curious whether you think Ward's or Drachinifel's story matches better with historical sources, etc :)
Cheers!
In the late 60’s, I did a class report in 8th grade on Mitchell and this piece warmly conjured up memories of that whole experience. He was truly ahead of his time. Thanks, Ward!
Amazing content! My son is 15 in the Civil Air Patrol. Been doing it since he was 12. Now I see why he strives for the Billy Mitchell award in CAP. A very coveted award, as it should be! Thank you!!
I have a grandson in the CAP, he loves it.
I cherished handing those awards out to my cadets. I salute your son.
@@gotchagoing4905 The only program where we actually allow kids to lead, and not just follow. Encourage him as best you can.
@@gotchagoing4905Great organization
"Tears and chills" (at 20:50) when reference to General Mitchell's prediction that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbor and then have the USS Arizona sunk by bombs just eight days after the Navy's boast of its invincibility!!
Fantastic analysis! The lack of judgement and imagination of senior military commanders is frightening! I was struck by the fact that Billy Mitchell’s namesake - R J Mitchell (designer of the Spitfire) also died too young to see the results of his pioneering work. Thanks for a great video.
Actually one more comment. The Billy Mitchell Award is one of the most important milestones within the Civil Air Patrol cadet program as it is when cadets become a cadet second lieutenant. As a result, I shared this information with our squadron commander and we are going to be introducing this video to our cadets as part of our leadership training. Thank you so much for all your work on this.
I watched the film some years back. I was amazed at the foresight and clarity of Billy Mitchell and his willingness to sacrifice his entire career to get the military on the right track. Great episode!
I was hoping Ward was going to mention the movie....but he did one better, he showed the best clip from the film!
I remember seeing the movie in the mid ‘50s with my Dad who was a navigator on a B-17 during WWII. Though I was a child at the time, I’ll never forget it.
@Ward Carroll - great content as usual!
1 foot note - the National Park Service airport at Cape Hatteras (HSE) located on the Outer Banks of North Carolina is named after General Billy Mitchell.
Great video. Gen. Mitchell was a hero of mine, as a child, and still his. I wrote a report on him and his advocacy for air power in elementary school.
He was a visionary and visionaries arent often well received in bureucratic institutions like government and the armed forces.
Its interesting that our armed forces encourages junior leaders to take the initiative, to improvise, and often to act without direct orders in combat. But stifles that initiative, improvisation and willingness to act when applied in other areas.
As my cousin, Billy's heroics are legend. That's why I enlisted in the National Guard.
Outstanding! I know this took a lot of time and research, and the writing is just excellent. Mitchell was a friend of my grandfather CC Moseley who also flew in France in 1917 and 1918. He was a hero.
I wish there was more study on General Mitchell. He was a visionary.
Cadets across the nation are still learning about him- the Billy Mitchell Award coincides with the promotion to Cadet 2d Lt in CAP, and eligibility for automatic E-3 upon enlistment.
One of, if not the best, episodes you’ve made! While Billy Mitchell is now legendary his foresight as testified to in his trial is pure genius.
Well, Galileo, another supreme egoist. also go into deep do-do for being right.
As a retired Air Force enlisted, I really enjoyed this - very informative.
The cadet dining hall at USAFA is Mitchell Hall. The airport in Milwaukee, WI is General Mitchell International Airport. Great video. John, USAFA 1975.
What a terrific episode, Ward. As USAF cadets, we were all taught about Billy Mitchell (along with other aviation pioneers). He was a true visionary and you summed him up really well.
I was once the Deputy Commander for Cadets in a Civil Air Patrol squadron in northern Virginia. I was proud of my cadets and loved it when they achieved the Billy Mitchell award, which introduced them to the cadet officer ranks.
The man was a visionary and true maverick. The movie, as good as it was with Gary Cooper in the lead role, I felt never truly did Billy Mitchell justice.
I learned of Billy Mitchell in my youth as a CAP Cadet some 35+ years ago and earning the Mitchell Award. Your video is by far the most historically accurate takes on his life, role and legacy in military aviation I've seen. In addition to Mitchell's contribution proving the benefits of carriers and naval avation, a young Lt.Curtis Lamay was chosen as a navigator on the new YB-17 in the mid 1930's, b/c the Navy, still wasn't sold on the benefits of land based aviations ability to locate, or destroy ships far out at sea. I believe there was also a wager between the Navy & Army Air Corps that they wouldn't be able too do so. LeMay not only proved it possible, but effective, efficient and necessary. The history & contributions of Mitchell, Arnold, Spaatz, Rickenbacker, Selfridge, LeMay & Goddard need too be told and celebrated, there pioneering efforts were truly remarkable!
Tremendous episode!
I think the greatest irony of the whole Billy Mitchell situation is that the two countries paying attention to his thoughts in the 1930s were Japan and Germany. It was miraculous that the US and the western Allies were able to win WWII.
Sometimes the US “can’t see the forest for the trees”.
Breaking the codes (another "they will never break OUR codes" misapprehension) helped greatly....
if you know what's being planned........ counter planning can be undertaken....
I'm prior Navy and can see how a guy like Mitchell could REALLY ruffle feathers as they might have said, "This is how we have always done it." What an amazing patriot he is! While he had personal issues, his commitment "to fight all enemies, foreign and domestic" was clearly what his career was about. And paid a price.
How can we keep flag officers from being politicians and remain war fighters? Lincoln learned that after suffering McClellan for so long, then hearing of Grant's drinking, he said something like "Find out what he's drinking and send it to the other generals." A great politician backing a great war fighter, when the Nation was on it's knees. (2 of my ancestors served in the La. 2nd Heavy Artillery).
Great video Mr. Carrol. Lastly, I have been half searching for years of a WW2 Navy surface CO. So long ago I read the entire "Two Ocean War" by Adm. Morison and he wrote about this man, who's ship always pulled into port looking a bit shoddy, but never lost a battle. Instead of polishing brass he had to boys train, train and train on fighting.
I lost all of the volumes of that book, but Morison's writing of him made my hair stand on end in admiration. And apparently the moral of his boys was high, because they kept winning! Who was this amazing man? I need to rediscover him.
Excellent and informative. One word of caution: Mitchell's audacity and foresight proved out. Many others who were just as sure of themselves did not. Remember the lesson of putting armor where the holes are.
That's one point in the Navy's defense. There are lots of "visionary" ideas. Few of them are actually right. That said, the Navy really missed the ball on this one and could have been in much worse shape for WW2 without Mitchell.
Yep. One only needs to look at recent history: LCS, Zumwalt, and the whole “forward from the sea” littoral pivot are the opposite outcome you risk by moving fast and trying to adopt good ideas early.
Sure…not all foresight is created equal. Mitchell wasn’t merely lucky….nobody is saying that everyone with an idea should be empowered in proportion to their audacity without opposition. Much of what the Navy was saying at the time was already provably ridiculous. Mitchell wasn’t vindicated 100 years later…he was vindicated immediately on certain points and within a decade or so on others. Hell, AirPower aside, the obsession with battleships was already ridiculous.
Absolutely loved this episode. As a retired Airman, I really enjoy hearing about and learning more about my branch of service. (I also enjoy learning about the other branches.) I believe knowing our history is important. However, like Brig Gen Mitchell, I believe we can"t win future conflicts without advancing technology.
Thank you for your service and work on these videos.
I agree & found the content of this video fascinating. I was a U.S. Naval Aircrewman (1990-1995) and I get upset that todays generation of high school & college kids not only have no idea about any of this or just our military history in general, but could also care less. They're mostly engaged heavily with TikTok, Instagram while also having their safe spaces violated. All while being unable to find Israel or Yemen on a map.
One caveat, General Hap Arnold, while attached to the Mitchell defense, was insulated as much as possible to protect his career. Awesome video.
Interesting.
Really enjoyed this story.. Mitchell was way ahead of the rest. Hate it when egos hold us back. Thank you.
Excellent video! My first plastic model to build as a kid in the 60's was a B-25 Mitchell - thanks for the trip down memory lane 😀
How did I never realize that the B-25 was named after Mitchell.
As usual, an OUTSTANDING presentation , Commander Carroll.... I believe that Officer Mitchell was a true visionary, and a true Hero, and those who disliked him were usually quite POMPOUS to the point of HIDING the KNOWN vulnerabilities of the Battleships and other military Equipment and personnel , against aerial attacks... Unfortunately Billy Mitchell passed away before he could see how much The NAVY , The MARINE CORPS , The ARMY and The AIR FORCE were able to successfully defend our country and overtake our enemies, with the use of Air Power.... It is great to know that he finally received the recognition he (Billy Mitchell) deserved, nearly 70 years after he passed away...
Don’t forget the Coast Guard as well.
I learned a lot about Mitchell from my time in CAP. This was by far the best summary of his life and legacy I've encountered. Nicely done, Ward Carroll!
Thanks, Ward. Thus would be a nice tool to teach high school kids about forward vision.
A good piece of writing, and the vids were tremendously interesting. The usual histories have a paragraph here, a sentence there about Billy Mitchell, but this is the deepest dive I've yet seen, and it's fascinating. Ward, thanks very much indeed!
Wow, I had no idea. As usual Ward Carroll delivers a video chock full of facts and information without the usual dead fluff of other channels. This one is especially informational given the incredible forecasts of Billy Mitchell. Bravo!
Thanks, Ward. Patton used to hold sermons to eight minutes. If you can't say it 8 minutes, you can't say it. Your shows are like that. You say it. Billy Mitchell is one of my favorites, but most of his influence is pre-war (WWII planning and development). Good show!
@darrencorrigan8505 Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with the 8 minute philosophy in this situation.
To summarize Brig Gen Mitchell, his thinking, his accomplishments, his legacy, let alone his life and his history cannot be done.
Today we have much to be thankful for due to his air superiority doctrine above all other forms of national defense.
Thank you, Billy Mitchell for being a visionary and making Naval Aviation a reality! AT1 (NAC/AW), USNR Ret.
A well written and informative presentation. Mitchell was a genuine American hero. Thank you!
I’ve watched this twice now. Billy Mitchell is a hero of aviation, he saw where things were going and fought the good fight. Imagine an Air Force officer fighting for Navy Air power today 😂.
Loved the shoutout for Lord Trenchard, before he joined/formed the Royal Air Force he was an infantry officer in my Regiment(Royal Scots Fusiliers) later to become the Royal Highland Fusiliers. As an army infantry regiment we still revere an Air Force officer.
Mitchell reminds me of Admiral Denfeld who fought for naval air power during the Revolt Of The Admirals. Another good officer who sacrificed his career for the greater good.
Love this video, Mooch, love it.
Mooch, in your excellent closing temarks you made the case that Mitchell was an innovator and a man of extraordinary vision, but that such innovators are often thwarted by advocates of the status quo. Mitchell's personal and professional style gave ammunition to his distractors who ultimately destroyed his career, but not his continuing advocacy of air power as a private citizen.
I immediately thought of other mavericks like the Navy's Hyman Rickover, and the Air Force's John Boyd. Rickover succeeded in foiling his enemies' attempts to scuttle his career as a tireless proponent of nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers by cultivating powerful Senators and Congressmen who overrode his detractors in the Department of the Navy.
Boyd was an unlikely visionary in the design and procurement of Air Force fighter aircraft. His prickly and bombastic personality alienated his superiors in the Pentagon who stunted his promotion to flag rank. Nevertheless, Boyd's vision and indefatigable persistence against all professional odds gave us two of America's most valuable tactical aircraft, the F-16 Fighting Falcon (AKA "Viper") and the A-10 Thunderbolt II (AKA "Warthog"). Boyd not only thought about future USAF airplanes, he also became a self taught master of tactical battlefield decision making. He is well known for devising the OODA Loop, a tool for commanders to make quick and decisive analysis and take proper action to win in the air and on the battlefield. The Marines adopted Boyd's ideas, and no modern USMC leader is unaware of John Boyd's OODA Loop. I can almost hear Billy Mitchell chuckling in the background.
Excellent commentary. This is the most comprehensive account I have seen regarding BG Mitchell's history and influence on military aviation tactics. Bravo Zulu, Mooch! 👍
Thank you Ward Carrol. My Dad was a WSO in the F-4D/E, and retired at your same grade. I will be forwarding him this video.
I remember reading about Billy Mitchell in Aces over the Pacific. One of my father's later assignments was to the USAF Doctrine Center. Which is funny as I have gradually brought him over to the side of more flexibility over less.
Thank you again excellent sir!
Ward, your insightful and unvarnished video on BG Mitchell highlighted details of his visionary brilliance and unconventional methods that are revised to a politically correct narrative in Air Force ROTC and professional military education. In 25 minutes I’ve gained an appreciation I didn’t comprehend in 9 years as an AF Officer. Namely, his passion to innovate despite the personal costs that is too frequently the consequences suffered by visionaries in large, traditional organization. I’ve since been a part of major innovation a number of times in my IT career after military service and fully appreciate the cultural, financial and operational commitment required to do it well. I appreciate your consistently excellent content.
As a Marine Corps Naval Aviator, it pains me to say that in light of the PRC's potential invasion of Taiwan, and China's potent antiship missile arsenal, we may be witnessing a watershed revolution in the Navy's capital weapons platforms similar to the one that saw the carrier displace the battleship in the 1920s and '30s. While publicly discussing a future war with China over Taiwan, I've recently heard senior Navy planners say that China's antiship missiles would force our vulnerable carrier battle groups to redeploy east at least a thousand miles from Taiwan. That would effectively emasculate the strike threat of Naval Air power. What then? That leaves the air and surface defense of Taiwan against Chinese amphibious invasion in the hands of our shrinking force of fast attack submarines and US Air Force fighter and attack forces based in Japan, Taiwan, and potentially the Philippines.
Our shipbuilding industry which at the peak of WWII was launching a new Liberty Ship every few hours, with slightly longer launch intervals for carriers and other surface men of war, can now barely manage to build one fast attack submarine a year! To deter or stop the invasion of Taiwan once war becomes imminent, we need the subs to mine the shallow Strait and stand by to finish destruction of the PRC's amphibious fleet with sub launched antiship missiles and long range torpedoes.
Interested in your take, Mooch.
Apparently my acquaintance whom I meet aboard the bowling retired the QE2 . whose name I do not recall, but who seemed to be full informed, was just passing on what many of you think, to a civilian who was enthralled. From his manner, I guessed at least a retired captain.
I agree that China's hypersonic missiles are a threat but, I would point out, that recent reports out of China indicate that the missiles themselves are pretty shoddily built and may no perform as designed.
Regarding shipbuilding, I would agree that our ability to build ships has been diminished, but to compare the building of Liberty ships to that of a nuclear attack submarine is ridiculous. An attack submarine is orders of magnitude more complex than a liberty ship. I would also point out that the liberty ships were only expected to make one transit of the Atlantic and were considered disposable. They also had a nasty habit of spontaneously cracking in half and sinking with all hands.
@@mikebaggott7802
They cracked until they reinforced them with more welded on plates....problem solved!
It's funny that this came out now. I just watched the movie about Billy Mitchell a week or so ago. What a synchronicity.
Ward thank you for such an excellent video. in the 11th grade I did a book report on Mitchell, his vision of the future of war fighting is unprecedented in my opinion
We need A LOT more people like this fine gentleman in today's overcensored society. All the emphasis in current time is put on hurty feelings not happening and we're so bound by "safety culture" thay we are severely handicapped
Ward, I’ve just recently come across a collection of three scrapbooks that my dad put together in 1931 to 1932 in New York describing the state of aviation around the world at that period in our history. The scrapbooks have about 200+ pages with an average of about 8 to 10 articles per page front and back. I was absolutely stunned by finding articles about Charles Lindberg, Amelia Earhart, Billy Mitchell, the Wright Brothers, James, Doolittle, and a ton of other famous aviators at that time, and their activities. There were articles about the state of Army Air Force and Naval Air Power. There are stories about the USS Akron and the USS Los Angeles, and about the the German Graf Zeppelin. An article about Charles Lindberg and his wife almost getting killed in a plane crash in China that Lindberg was flying. There’s another article about Amelia Earhart trying to duplicate Lindberg‘s flight across the Atlantic to Paris and crashing short in Ireland and almost drowning. There are articles about what you discussed in this video such as a Japanese attacking China, and American flyers signing on with the Chinese Air Force to fight the Japanese. I’ve got about 50 pages that I’ve taken pictures of as examples. I’m willing to share them. I’m at a loss as to what to do with this thing otherwise. This has to be an incredible research source. Any suggestions? I don’t just want to throw it out.
Maybe the Smithsonian or Library of Congress would be interested, although I imagine they may have the same materials, archives that they are. Depending on how much is related to Billy Mitchell, the Wisconsin State Historical Society may have an interest, or the aviation museum at Milwaukee's Mitchell Field Airport.
Digitize and preserve it! Then maybe donate it to the world? Say via the web, as a pdf? Maybe? As a time capsule this is a very cool find!
It presents it's own story of the history of an era, and that's seriously 😎
Take it to Pawn stare😂
As a board member of the Broomfield (Colorado) Veterans Memorial Museum, I am confident that our curation department would be interested, particularly if any of your material had some connection with Colorado, regardless of how minor.
@@bearowen5480 I’m fairly sure I saw Colorado mentioned in there somewhere. Maybe about air mail service being established there, or Flyers being from Colorado, or something to that extent. I’ll try to check it to see in the next few days. As a wild guess, I estimate there probably 2000 different articles in the collection. I believe the best bet is to photograph each page in order to preserve it. After being packed away in a trunk for 90 plus years it is very fragile!
Man, if Mitchell, or better yet his opposition could somehow see what modern A/F and Naval airpower has become, in regards to the capability of armaments and airspeed alone, I can only imagine the smile it'd bring to Mitchell. This man had one hell of a foresight, short and LONGTERM, far exceeding any of his counterparts of his day and age. Can you imagine where the U.S. might be right now if his ideas, predictions, and subordinate actions had not happened? It's not hard to imagine the world looking quite a bit different if thought is given to the implications of that scenario- and IMHO, Mitchells martyrdom propelled the U.S. to evolve into the 'complete and full-spectrum military superpower' that it became.
Thank you, Ward, for this enlightening history lesson. I had no idea that all of this took place until right now.
Brilliant video. I’ve studied Billy Mitchell for a long time and have only the deepest admiration for him.
It is a difficult thing: knowing how far to push the limits of one's authority when attempting to leverage the strengths of their resources. I do not envy officers who have to temper their tactical knowledge with prevailing political pressures.
That being said, every great pilot I ever worked with tended to push the envelope at one time or another.
Great episode again Ward!
Outstanding content, sadly the Military has had many General Mitchell’s throughout its history thru today. What’s worse is how many of those officers had their careers tanked before their leadership and vision could have impacted our nation/military.
Informative, entertaining, well edited!
We need innovators like Mitchell to push the boundaries of bureaucracy!
Ward's best one yet. The origins. In the beginning was the Battleship. Then came the aircraft. The rest is history. The '41 Army Navy Game program is a gem.
The Courtmartial of Billy Mitchell is a great film and would recommend viewing it. He is an American Hero!
Thanks for covering this. In this day and age General Mitchell doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
I never cease to enjoy, learn from and be inspired by your videos. This one was out of the park for me. You're a TALENT sir, apparently at anything you set your hand to do. From your assessments of the current fighting in the Middle East, to this excellent biography, to the stories and interviews, to the Rickenbackers, Gibsons and Marshalls lined up behind you... a real renaissance man. More like this please.
I like to think this is what our US Naval Academy brings out in people.
Excellent!! "Vain, petulant, overbearing, and egotistical"?? These are qualities necessary in an aviator!
Sounds like 'Mean Tweets' to me.
Ok I laughed, yet here we all like Ward because he isn't those things.
It was a joke. I have many personal friends who are/were military pilots/aviators. I'm a pilot (non-military) myself. My friends include Tomcat guys, Huey guys, Blackhawk guys, etc. Like I said, it was a joke. My friends laugh. In any case, I think we can agree that Ward has THE best aviation channel on the internet.
Great work as always, Ward! I always look forward to your uploads! The challenge is Michell was right, but that he went about it the wrong way. He made the mistake solders, especially senior officers can’t afford: he allowed his ego to get bigger than the mission. During WW2, ‘even famous hardasses like Patton knew when to buckle down and follow orders. MacArthur got canned for the same reason in Korea. As brilliant and visionary as he was, flouting the chain of command sets a bad example.
My grandfather served in France in the US Army Signal Corps as a supply lieutenant. During combat operations he was stationed at an airfield just North of a town called Bar-le-Duc. Our entire family visited the area in 2018 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of his service. It was important to do because he passed away before my generation was born, and my Dad had never seen the area. In doing research to give my family some background about what grandpa was up to, I came across a lot of information about Billy Mitchell’s genius in developing supply chains for combat air units. Of course, military people have known how to do supply for millennia, but air combat operations were brand new and this was being done across oceans and continents in 1918. My mind was blown and I was glad to tell my family about Billy Mitchell’s genius and our family member’s part in making it all happen. I have no idea if he ever met Billy Mitchell. No particular reason for a 2nd Lieutenant to have.
He told my dad that he and his team were at the supply depot when a German artillery shell hit. Obviously it was a dud, or I wouldn’t be telling you this.
My dad served in the Navy in the 1950’s on board a destroyer, the Rodman, which sometimes performed escort duty for the carrier Wasp. We visited Wasp together in San Diego about 5 years ago. That was great.
My Dad passed away this past Saturday at 94. He would have loved to watch this video with me. But I have enjoyed it in both his and my grandfather’s memory.
Thanks Ward! Your content always rocks!
Wow! What an astounding story! Thanks so much for taking the time to research this. My grandfather was an Army Air Service armorer in France during WWI, so he may have seen or heard Billy Mitchell at some point. He brought back some amazing photos.
Wow, very well done Ward! As another evil Air Force pilot who attended USAFA, it was beaten into us from day 1 that we owed pretty much everything as an armed Service to Billy Mitchell….this just confirms it!
Hell, he should have been awarded five stars!
The chAIR Force.
Delivering destruction from the air-conditioned comfort of a chair.
One of your best videos yet! Billy Mitchell was a hero to me. This video does justice to his legacy. Thanks!
Billy Mitchell was one of the greatest Americans to have ever lived. He was a true prophet.
He was raised in a city of engineering and industry, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
@@timtrewyn453 - I guess that's why the named the airport after him!
A perfect recitation of true history! Thank you, Sir!
This episode, hit me. I remember how the story was written in books. How it was taught in classes, in C.A.P. How, it was thought regarding its impact in military aviation. All of the things we take for granted today, were foreseen, by men like Gen Mitchell. Plus, I remember the movie. The establishment, stacked the deck against him, his men, and the concept. Yet, today, its alive and well in doctrine and as written in history. Big time thank you, for this video. Semper Fi!
I'm definitely going to share this with my CAP Squadron. Incredible work covering General Mitchell.
Mitchell was a true visionary and thank the Lord for him, otherwise we might still be fighting WWII. EXCELLENT video Ward!👍
@AUTiger1964 Still fighting WWII??? Don’t think so… We’d have lost to the Jerrys and Japs had it not been for America’s industrial ability and getting the A-bomb first.
If you want to watch a video on TV that will make you think twice about America you want to see the Prime Video series (all 4 parts) “Man In The High Castle”. This program will show you what life may have been like in America if the Axis had won WWII.
It sure taught me to love America, with all its faults, as we have it rather than what it could have been if we lost. Good luck!!
I was USAF enlisted in the 90's, if my memory serves me correctly, our training materials at the time recognized him as a Brigadier General. Great video, will re-watch this one with my sons!
Fantastic Ward! Everyone wants change as long as they aren't the ones who have to change. It is breathtaking how quickly Billy Mitchell's predictions came true, and how preposterous they seemed right before they happened. One reason we should be heeding the tech folks warning about the dangers of AI. They understand and appreciate the mayhem that can be wrought far better than most of us.
As a navy vet and a navy retiree TD1 USN retired. Several things. I love your perspective. 1. I have heard that Japan sinking the Battleships at Pearl Harbor did us a great favor and changed our view on the value of Aircraft Carriers and Air power. 2. I an one time advocated one service with all functions as manpower could easily be shifted from one mission from another but have over time changed my mind. 3. The USN trains tech people on a broader basis then narrower training to a specific MOS. An example I give is an air force Sgt. who was is base engineering support. He gain rank faster then the Airforce people around him because he was former Navy and had a broader training. I later had my own experience working at Miramar Air station in public works. One of the worst policies was deferred maintenance. Also reluctance of higher management on adapting to new tech. Airpac in the late 80's limited the use of any computerized tech and held as back trying to update. Keep up the great videos as I have learned much about the higher world of people with stars on their shoulders.
Brilliant video Mooch. Many of your best ones cover historical events and your delivery is spot on.
Great to see this new video from you. I have known about Billy Mitchell for several decades and I am pleased that you have honored him in this way.
Ward, an outstanding video. Clearly, you did a lot of research and put this story together very well. Great work and many thanks for your efforts.
Outstanding episode, Sir! I salute you and I would also salute General Mitchell. The smugness of those who prosecuted and condemned him is magnified by the boldness and accuracy of Mitchell's predictions.
What a fascinating video. I’m amazed at how General Mitchell was able to see so far into the future and be so correct in his assessments and beliefs.
Wearing an unauthorized, custom uniform to your court martial is a major league flex...would've loved to have seen the brass start clutching the pearls when he walked in
Fantastic video Ward.
Amazing work on this one! Had never heard of this American legend. What an absolute visionary. Man would he be proud of us today. Having the 2 largest air forces in the world
I've always been a fan of Billy Mitchell. This is one of the best short documentaries I have heard on the subject. Thank-you for publishing this.
Bravo! My father was a 34 year old Master Tech Sergeant running a team of mechanics for a B-24 bomb wing out of Britain during the war. He told me that the creation of the Army Air Corps was General Mitchell's creation -- after the trial -- what blindness both the Navy and Army displayed after the first conflict.
I think one of the very best video productions you’ve put forth. Period.
Excellent video, Ward! I love military history in general, and military aviation history in particular. Much appreciated!
Excellent episode. Thank you.
Best damn program about Billy Mitchell on UA-cam EVER!!! Without exception!!!
Thank you Commander Carroll for a very informative episode. General Mitchell was definitely well before his time and had uncanny abilities to see the future. General Mitchell was truly an American hero.
Great video, Ward, I've heard the story of Mitchell before, but your telling of it is the most compelling so far.
Fantastic synopsis! I was gripped from start to end-and I had had no intention of watching the whole thing but, your pacing and on point script kept me riveted.
Thank You, Ward
Be Well.
Keep up the excellent content
Being a Military history buff, I thank you. I knew of Bill Mitchell but had only some knowledge of his brilliance.
Maverick's name in Top Gun is Pete Mitchell, and his father "Duke Mitchell". They must have chosen that surname as a tribute, and also, given the characters' personality as a "rebel", it fits perfectly.
Thanks for this great historical video. It was very enlightening. Certainly Billy Mitchell saw the future of military aviation that others didn’t.
FYI!!! It's probably the best historical brief you've done so far, Ward.. A few years ago, I bought myself and another fellow Snipe an aft of the bomb bay ride in a Colling's Foundation B-25J. It was money totally well spent. It gave me a total appreciation of the Doolittle Raiders.
So interesting! I’m a Marine Vet who’s dream it was to be a Harrier Pilot… settled for Machinegunner,, and going for my private pilots license… was curious what Mitchell’s ties to Wisconsin were, as we named Mitchell International Airport in honor…. With a B25 as you drive into the main spot
Thank you for this story, I really enjoy learning the history of this nation. Fair winds, Mr. Carroll
Well Done! Thank you for reminding us of the brilliance of General Mitchell.
From a Retired Airman to. Retired Sailor, thank you for this episode, and good job.
He should have a CVN named after him and USAF's biggest bomber base should bear his name.
As a Brit I fully agree with your view. Billy Mitchell was a superb visionary and it doesn't matter which side of the pond you reside on he was right. We in Britain were a bit luckier, we did have the foresight to build aircraft carriers. The first being HMS Argus a converted merchant ship. It had an unobstructed landing deck and entered service in 1918.
You got that right about the base. Space Force is the base that should have his name. He should have his own statue in DC. Rickenbocker should also get a lot more recognition. Fooey on their little ego passing contest.
Pissing contest
Outstanding military history lesson. Keep these coming!!!
A great story that needs to be remembered. Thanks Ward
Thank you for sharing finite knowledge that most Americans are too embarrassed to admit. I served as a fire-control tech on A6-A&B Intruders in ‘68 & ‘69 with the 1st Marine Air Wing in Vietnam. Proud beyond words for the work I did and of the close air support and planned missions our pilots flew. We have 100% to win a war that our leaders in Washington never truly understood….does anything ever change? 🙏🇺🇸😎