Why Hashirama vs Roger IS NOT CLOSE…
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This was a very good video, and I definitely agree with the verdict!
One thing I think could also be mentioned in Hashirama's favor is the Deity Gates, which are stated to seal the opponents willpower, which could debatably negate Roger's Haki even if you don't use verse equalization.
Anyway, fire vid! Keep it up!
Really, Deity Gates suppresses or seals the opponents Willpower? I have to look this up.
@@MrBrianpdj Indeed, it was stated in the databook. The description of the technique makes these two statements among other things.
"It takes away even the will of opposing - the Seal Head"
"A thing bound with the "Seal Head" has also its will of opposing sealed."
I think it's really neat because it offers a unique interaction for this matchup that isn't really present for other Naruto vs One Piece battles.
@@limbo9993 word, this is facts my guy. Thanks
This need to be pinned❤❤❤❤
@@floatingcloud94 done
7:11 The users chakra is split between the clones, the only reason Madara didn't have power drop off on his clones was because reanimation, gives the reanimated bodies unlimited chakra.
It divides chakra but strength and abilities are still the same in most cases
Clones don't have power drop of at all
@@rubixmaster7532 My bad I meant that the chakra isn't split, since the original has unlimited chakra.
@@ethanekem8677 even then that wouldn't matter, Madara has enough chakra amounts/control to rival Hashirama, who had as much as KCM2 Naruto.
That’s not true at all I’ll explain why madara has comparable chakra to hashirama who Naruto with the tails has almost as much as hashirama same Naruto who can make hundreds of bijuu level clones so why wouldn’t madara be able to do the same we know the susano is the users chakra and he susano pure chakra amount scales above the 9 tails same bijuu who naruot has half of let’s him spam biju level clones madaras clones indeed had biju levels of Chakra we know sauke couldn’t genjutu raikage cause he didn’t have enough chakra madaras clone did it with ease and we all know the 5 Kage are biju level off actual feats and back scaling ay is specifically stated to be so and tsunade is stronger then him and gaara summoned so much sand his dad Thought he was the 1 tails a actually tailed beast and mei is iffy but yeah madara can definitely pull this feat in prime it’s totally dishonest to say he can’t
These power scalers and debators are never to be trusted. They cherry pick and high/low ball respectives characters
Edit: Came back here from notification and apparently it's an ongoing warzone here 💀
his outcome is true, but much agreed.
Calc stacking + highball speed is insanity, if (A) fails to dodge a bullet moving at (C) speed, then (A) shouldn't be considered 100x faster then (C) speed, completely inconsistent.
@@DandyInLuvAnd Luffy was able to see the future to dodge them, it is light speed but you can dodge before the laser was shot, when they were shot Luffy already saw into the future and dodged them, the speed to counter observation needs to be incredebly fast or unpredictable like snakeman
@@shinyplus891you clearly don’t speak English stop commenting
@@DandyInLuvcan you tell me what is inconsistent pls ?
@@sbthesage2100 yes my english is very bad compared to "barley" and fun fact i have not seen you showing me how i am wrong about my comments , you are just insulting me saying i am dumd, then if i am dumd you could easily make understand why hashirama wins, you also didnt even responded to my questions, you literally just showing that you are wrong, you are also a human like me so being a 800 sub youtuber doesnt make you God and consedering the fact of the macths you conclude means nearly dont do enough research to know who wins, i am not saying the things you said are wrong but comparing the strongest pirate of One Piece to a guy who is very strong but he can get killed by a otsusuki like jingen or momoshiki, hashirama can have a lot of hax but people in One piece almost desintregate things for giggles , Roger clearly can take out a entire mountain with a single sword slash, he can see the future and the wood clones will be destroyed by conq haki bc shanks can take down all marines except admirals and roger is stronger, not mentioning that roger in naruto Will move 10x faster at minimun , so he to will be Impossible to be grabed by wood only if is a surprise attack and even then observation will do the work this is just by having 3 types of haki , we dont know about Rogers hax but he could be able to send normal slashes that are strong enough to one shot hashirama and this is just by Roger not being serious, hashirama can heal wounds and being dead isnt a wound, and you also said that is normal hashirama wich means his chakra is limited and Roger can just fight till hashirama lose all his chakra, so in speed Roger wins,hax is hashirama and resistance is Roger, now please i wanna see if i am wrong
Edit: btw as we seen in the anime/manga conquerer haki can damage the sorroudings ,hashirama florest emergence isnt gonna help a lot, and sage mode isnt gonna make hashirama same level as Rogers, only in reaction speed but even then Roger will be much faster to hashirama see him, Roger will not be able to see him bc he is faster than light so he will just see darkness
We haven’t even seen any true Roger feats. We saw him kinda beat Oden with no effort and a smile on his face. And we saw him stalemate WB with a smile-didn’t seem like they were trying to kill each other. Seemed more like an aggressive spar
That Oden was far weaker than the one that fought Kaido. Also we have to factor in that Roger was well on his death bed when he fought Prime Whitebeard for 3 days due to illiness. I still believe Hashirama wins.
@@DHworldwide185 how do we know he was “far” weaker? I don’t recall any indication that rogers gang went through any special power ups or fought anyone that may have caused them to level up.
Oden is likely around the same strength during his battle with Roger as he is with kaido.
I just think Roger is likely unknown in strength. Garp could probably level an island at minimum in his prime. And I imagine Roger would scale to Garp. Mihawk has been shown to casually slice ice walls without even being close and that only impressed some weaker pirates. So I imagine for Garp and Roger this wouldn’t be a challenge. In naruto, top tier fears that are consistent involve fighting tailed beasts which isn’t saying much in op since tons of characters are far bigger and seem to have a general power scale similar to the bijuu
probably? bro he'd no diff an island lmao@@Leviticusrich
@@rasenganmaster101 😂😂😂😂😂😂
And that was a sick version of roger
Respectable. Personally, I think it's the latter, for the reasons you stated. I just scale differently, but I have to respect the effort you put in, especially for a character we know little about. Now, someone debated on this before and asked where I place Hashirama in OP. Still believe he is admiral level, which I feel is fair, but like I said, I just scale differently. I do see what you saying though.
-There is something I noticed before. People actually underrate future sight. What you said wasn't wrong, but people don't realize it's the actual future. They compare it to part 1 Sasuke sharingan when its more like Madara's "game" mangekyo sharingan. Just a heads up.
Madara had to get EMS just to use perfect susanoo just to slice a mountain.... Meanwhile Garp while in base, just casually punch mountains as a warmup 😂
…mans just unsheathed his sword, made no contact with the surrounding mountains, and cut off the tops of all of them, also as a “we’re just getting started” kind of moment. Don’t create a false narrative bro 👊
No... Factually incorrect. The force of him unsheathing the sword split several mountains around him. Didnt even come in contact... The force of it being bloody unsheathed.
lol
Ik we aren’t wanking old Garp
when did u see garp doing that
massive lowball for Rogers speed by basing it of only SoL reaction at Wano. Luffy had SoL reaction time even in pre timeskip. And since then he has learned advanced observation haki and power cliffed massively in whole cake island
Lmaoooo why is it a lowball bc if anything I did my best to wank his speed by first assuming Luffy’s reaction speeds are light speed as all those calcs for him dodging laser fire are relativistic and you can’t quantify how much faster his reactions get with future sight and the fact that brought up gear 4 being a speed multiplier when it’s just not lmao power=equal speed at least by the definition of the word at least
@@sbthesage2100 he was not relativistic after the time skip at all and only got faster from then
That might be the most retarded take I’ve ever heard from you. As his reaction time would be in the literal negatives with future sight. Bounce man is also most definitely a speed boost as it’s able to perception blitz someone faster than gear 2. And he had a lot of rel feats in base even before powercliffing in whole cake island
Luffy wasn’t Ftl til after timeskip seeing as how he got blitzed by Kizaru twice
@@youngfish1370 well not in his base form, but with rel to rel+ feats in base getting a speed multiplier of at minimum 5 or upwards of 10 would make him in the low ends of ftl in gear 2 pre time skip. Its also stupid to assume Kizaru would cap at SOL considering other characters feats
After reading One Piece Wb isn’t planetary. Not 1 feat. Sengoku isn’t a reliable source as he’s never seen Wb destroy a Planet. The reason for the exaggeration is to make sure the marines take the fight serious but there’s still nothing backing up Wb being planetary. Along with Sabaody not being that far from Marineford.
One tectonic plate of the One Piece plant is 31000km in diameter. Each tectonic plate should scale to planet the size of Mars easily.
There are 44 measured grids each's length is 27000km, therefore the circumference of the planet would be 1188000km. It's ¼ of the sun's. This is measured by pixel scaling. By taking context of the river in alabasta being 48km or 30mi wide.
Note Whitebeared was never shown to use a named attack yet. Maybe in his prime he was capable of causing massive planetary geological destruction if not literally destroy the planet. It was stated 2 times officially and 1 time in the anime/manga.
Watch the video agian and listen carefully
And why the hell would sengoku exaggerate to marines ?
Isn't that gonna make them more scared ?
hopefully we get to see what roger can do
Yea, maybe in 15yrs 😂
@@veganpower7825pffff double it and ur closer 💀
@@perrythedapapus4153so 80 years (30 years)
Roger can also use ryou haki (advance armament) being a swordsman of his level.
Yeah still the power gap is to much
True but why would he start out with it? And how does it counter Hashirama’s broken regeneration?
@@DHworldwide185because even Hashirama won’t survive his body being completely destroyed. Put a hotdog in the microwave and you will see what I mean
@@achmahnschprove that ryou would completely destroy his body
@@yudasrain4774 because Naruto characters are extremly weak from the inside. It's even said in the manga that there is no way of hardening your insides. He might heal a missing arm or two but inside he is a regular dude, and regular dudes explode when in contact with ryou
That isn't an accurate description of whitebeards power he doesn't just create tsunamis lol
Lol you’re dumb af I said his quakes create the tsunamis
@@sbthesage2100 yea but he literally creates fucking cracks through the air dummy
Stop strawmanning
@@sbthesage2100ah from what I see, you're saying quakes only which does not include tectonic plates which is also effected by white beards fruit and tectonic plates is a lot more then moving water
@@sbthesage2100 you never mentioned the scale of the one piece world to the scale of the naruto world. Because the one piece planet is believed to be anywhere from 4x larger than earth to being 100x
IF Whitebeard was truly planetary, it was only thanks to the Gura Gura’s tectonic power. Roger, who’s relative to WB, sure as hell ain’t planetary. Because haki alone could never make anyone planetary
I forgot to explain this in the video but Haki conquers coating in specific is in fact stronger than DV powers evidence for this kaido literally says Haki is superior while in his DV form while talking ab why Roger was the strongest and also the fact that white beard uses his Haki to clash with Roger rather than the Gura Gura so logic only dictates conquers coating is the strongest thing white beard can use also AP=DC
@@sbthesage2100Wow that’s interesting and fax. Keep up the good content. Just realized I wasn’t subbed lol but I’ve been subbed to you on my other account
@@sbthesage2100 Also, with regards to the calc in question, due to the gura fruit used by old man whitebeard still being "world ending" and there being a few ways to interpret that (without including vaporisation of the whole planet) + We never saw how Whitebeard would've used an Awakened version of his quake powers; It's possible to scale WB power output higher than what is shown in the video. One of the harder things with OP scaling is theres a lot less displayed feats with multiple character quotes to back it all up and more so on the anecdotal and declared feats by organisations at large.
There's also the undiscovered nerf that Kaido sufffers during his fight with Luffy by keeping the island afloat the entire time which we know made him weakr but not exactly in what way with potential regards to speed/power, or to what degree.
Even so I still agree with the verdict but I think theres fairly reasonable means to make Rogers AP calc a bit higher and his speed a bit higher, but still not fast enough to reach hashirama. I think as we learn more about the God Valley incident and the greater overall powers of Rock etc we'll get better means to found calcs for that era of pirates going forward
Your logic makes no sense cause we saw Roger match whitebeard in all his glory head on and survived
@@alllenwelllsRoger dog walks Hasirama because of one reason
that being that both versus have very identical power scaling and Hashirama is mid series character ( mid as in he was introduced earlier I am not calling Naruto mid and I'm including boruto too💀) and Roger is one of the top dogs of one piece it is very very simple 😂
I agree with everything except speed because you forgot to mention luffy gained the speed of his gear 4th in base at whole cake and then went on to get even stronger in wano gaining that even faster speed to his base once again so you forgot some multipliers
Yeah cause I didn’t feel like calc stacking without multipliers tf lol also I wanked w gear 4 that shit is not a speed multiplier idk why people even think that
@@sbthesage2100 then what does snake man do slow him down tf this was lame
@@movaymem never said that but where is your quantification for an amp that was never stated this a pretty L argument buddy I’d slam you on your head in a debate
@@movaymem
im bad at explaining but
gears dont have to always give speed buffs
Cuz
Kaido hybrid was keeping up with luffy
Luffy then jumped into gear 4 snake man form
Kaido was still keeping up like before g4
Luffy then got adv haki + g4
And Hybrid kaido was still keeping up
Same to g5
Hybrid Kaido was still keeping up,
If u say he got speed buff in each gear then kaido hybrid was toying around with luffy for the whole fight not usin his max speed
@@bye9925you forget that a character can be faster than all of them
Kaido was stronger in general against luffy during that entire fight
Gear 4 is a speed multiplier
720 times the speed of light ? what kind of drugs did you take ?
Future sight isn’t the same as sharengan, sharengan can’t see the future.
Hashirama vs Roger is really a good fight hashirama can stand in roger's conqueror's haki also roger could cut hashirama's wood with his divine departure the fight will be massive but roger have advantage because of his speed roger is fast if we really see him in other scenes and also roger could slash hashirama's wood release and a direct attack to hashirama.
roger is featless hes not even ftl and at best is planet level
hashi stomps
@@user-cg9pr2ho1f no he don’t bruh Roger ain’t featlese he went head to head with Gary and he went head to head with white beard and he flat out stomped Odin who was stated a worthy rival to kido clearly u have never watched one piece
@@scaryravioli8470he means Roger hasn’t shown any impressive feat’s especially compared to hashirama
@@scaryravioli8470Garp is also featless the only one who isn’t is wb from mf and oden fought Kaido who was new and came from the rocks crew the current Kaido easily oneshots oden
@@user-cg9pr2ho1fwb can destroy earth and roger fought against him for 3 days straight now you tell me hashiramas feats
I cant say I agree but I respect your opinion. Good vids keep it up bro.
If recent OP chapters are anything to go off of, Roger is going to have feats of another caliber that we have yet to see.
Yea just look at garps galaxy punch and that’s old garp
@@liljockey yeah look at hashirama literally dog walk a Charka Fox that can supply a planetary destruction
@@liljockeyone piece characters still retain their old strength even after they are old as Garp. What Garp should is what he is capable of during his prime. But his stamina and durability is weak and also any attack that old one piece characters do is their strongest attack from any point in their life but their durability is weak because of age same for their speed
@@Calamity8the main weakness of old people in one piece is consistency too, they can generate the power but at times they do worse thsn they should
kurama statement is instanty contradicted by the fact that a 50% kurama didnt even destroy a good portion of the hidden leaf village so idk where your getting "multi-continental" from. and how is kcm 1 77x the speed of light it was never explained in the video
I don’t know man 🤷♂️ an old Rayleigh (Roger’s Right Hand Man) was clashing with Kizaru who is the embodiment of light speed. SO6P Madara died to backshot from Black Zetsu. You know who wouldn’t? Just a weak character like Katakuri. You know what is faster than light, the future.
The only argument I can for Naruto characters with light speed is the 4th Hokage, with their Flying Raijin technique.
Unless we go with your case where Sakura is at least 850x the speed of light because she landed a punch on Kaguya, which speed should scale higher than both Hasirama and Madara 😂
One thing you didn’t add is gravitational force which can change a lot with speed and power since the one piece world is much bigger they have a bigger gravitational force
And we see gravity play into factor with kaguyas dimension
So like how Superman would have the speed of a regular man on his own planet that has hundreds of times gravity, but on our small, puny, weak, pathetic planet, Superman is faster than a speeding bullet.
I don’t think it will make much of a difference. Even if it equals out there speed, one character is still way stronger than the other, and it’s not going to change the power difference.
@@WarFox7012 But the Naruto world is pretty small, honestly. It's smaller than OUR world. And the One Piece world is even bigger than our world. Most Naruto characters would be crushed by the gravity of the One Piece world if they were to take one step there.
The real question is, should we take this into consideration? Or should we act like this whole discussion never happened, and pretend like the gravity on both worlds is equal?
@MrMegaSuperDuperMe no it's not lol
I feel like the speed scaling is wack. Same for Kaido's scaling. How can it only be 9 times FTL if Luffy in base was faster than light already, and Gear 2 is a 10 times amp? And Kaido one shot Luffy, so that attack should be waaaaay above just 9 times. Then we have to take into account how strong haki amps you, with fodder being able to make arrows blow through stone. Then we got Luffy in Whole cake island being around multi continental already, and he got multiple powerups that Roger would still be above. I don't see how Hashirama is surviving getting blitzed and Kamusari'd which is durability negation.
Edit: ong bro used vs wiki💀
I agree he scaled hashirama's speed well but downplayed pp speed
most high tier characters after timeskip are in the 1000s of times faster than light
@@Edolph_6mif anything I wanked Roger 😭 gear 4 isint a speed multiplier
Gear 2 is not a 10x multipler lmao that shit is a mistranslation
Also all ur doing is talking ab unquantifiable multipliers just say you’re a calc stacking crayon eater and don’t know how to scale also I wanked rogers speed by saying if you think gear 4 is a speed amp which it’s fucking not lol
What's even worse for hashirama is that whitebeards "destroy the world" feat was when he was insanely wounded and has like stage 20 cancer, and Roger was on the level if not stronger than him when he was in his prime
There is literally no feats about wb being planetary other then being for hyped.
Wb is at max multicontinental
Madara+ sussano+ 9 tails was literally multicontinental with no effort what so ever which it means he is higher. Hashirama was just smiling and chilling fighting that. Hashirama destroys prime Roger's.
Wb island level at max with wank
Sage mode hashirama easily continental level
@@irvinmorales5641multiple times is it said that his devil fruit could destroy the world, and the fact that even when he was on the verge of death he was destroying huge parts if marineford, and he was holding back, because he wanted to save Ace, and roger being better than him in his prime
@@irvinmorales5641Madara, is multi continental near his max, because he was using his strongest hacks against hashirama and lost, and Madara isn't vaporising the planet in one shot, so at most he is multi continental, because destroying the world in one shot compared to fragmentation is not as strong
I dont get how he said the one piece planet is twice the size of our sun when he showed a clip that said it was almost 9 times bigger
Yassop has best observation haki. He can continously see well into the future they stated in Red
Enel has the best observation, (saw hours into the future with his mantra meaning he has the most capacity of future sight) but he is very slow so he cant dodge unpredictable attacks.
@@cleond.kingfire9113 he did not see hours into the future. He just had a wide range.
I don’t think the flying raigen counts as minatos speed. Him blitzing the raikage was only because of that technique he would literally be slower than naruto even in his transformation
I think teleportation counts as speed. It's literally just moving from one place to another really fast. Of course, there are some limitations on it, like Minato can only teleport to his markings. But he literally has the ability to create more markings whenever he wants and carries plenty of disposable, marked kunais. So Minato has no problem using his teleportation wherever and whenever he wants.
And by your own logic, the Raikage's "speed" was only because of his technique too, the Lightning Armor.
Except we also see base minato fighting alongside kakashi who was comparable to kcm naruto so scaling still checks out
You also have to be fast enough yourself to use the teleportation if that makes sense like minato wasnt ab to cut through the raikage bc of pure teleportation he needed to that fast to pull it off also the raikage is stated to not be inferior to Minato in speed in the war arc and he has 0 teleportation and is still yet to pass minato and the raikage dosent say faster bc of teleportation nor would that be the sole reason bc again minato would still have to be fast enough to blitz though the raikages reactions which are also to be stated to move as fast as minato weather that be teleportation or not so again everything checks out
@@sbthesage2100 by that logic everyone who use the substitution jutsu is mftl to incalculable because kakashi even says it’s a moving speed thing.
@@seanwuzhere12 this dosent address the point I made ab minato blitzing through the Raikage’s reactions or him being as fast as the raikages reactions ? Nor the fact that base Minato was able to fight alongside a kakashi who is kcm 1 Naruto level in speed
Earthquakes also affect the mantle not just crust. About 900km in the range of damage considering it is just a regular earthquake. 1 shockwave in his prime should be enough to one shot a planet since his main feats are from marineford and he is severely weakened.
this is a horrible scale, and no matter how powerful the earthquake, it cannot generate the energy required to be planet-level, it would still at best be moon-level
@@nbell0089 one peice world is larger than our sun by quite a bit so it’s not to far fetched
AINT NO WAY, you said Hashirama can surpass haki, firstly its stupid to compared OBS haki to Sharigan because OBS is serepate from your senses, but next Haki doesnt not equal Charka, they are different
Bro you have to use verse equalization plus hashirama is way too powerful for roger in base
@@flareshuriken1661 Noooo you dont, and even if you do read the manga, its stated that again OBS ignores illusions and is serepate from your senses
@@thegamingpiecereactions3914 Since when does hashirama fight with illusions, btw that isn't true, haki users have been caught in illusions
@@flareshuriken1661 Ok so? Read the manga and argue with the manga, plus in a bunch of manga there are bound to be inconsistencies
@@thegamingpiecereactions3914 If that where true than things like alchohol wouldn't have effect on haki users, it did on kaido with his fight with luffy. Lets not forget that utas df exists. And no it nevers says that obv haki ignores illusions
1. If wb put all his haki and strength and his fruit into 1 punch he fragmenting that planet into 4 pieces. 2. You're acting like hashirama cant get blitzed. Just because youre fast doesnt mean you cant get blitzed. 3. I didnt know future sight became non existent. Roger can atleast see into the future for a few seconds. 4. Since acoc is dura-neg roger just needs to hit hashirama a few times to beat him. I think roger wins high diff at most
As someone who watched both I got Roger winning. No way Ppl think hashirama win this I can't even see hashirama beating kaido.
@soullost8502 and i think I NChammer said naruto was the strongest hokage I think, and if luffy can't beat naruto yet but give him a good run for his money and roger is probably like 2x stronger than luffy why can't roger beat hashirama.
@@duckytheduckduck before gear 5 I had Naruto winning now I don't see no way Naruto can win
@soullost8502 current naruto isn't stronger than hashirama or luffy but naruto with kurama I think is beating both
@@duckytheduckduck Nah I think Gear 5 is just too much for Naruto even with Baryon mode, he wouldn't be able to do any real dmg based on the fact luffy would just not be affected by the attack or he would reflect it
It’s like one piece flys directly over your head 😭 if you honestly think hashirama can defeat Rodger then you’re crazy , there is not a single Justu in his arsenal that can penetrate the defense of rodgers coating haki or fast enough even touch Rodger due to conquering haki allowing him to see 10 seconds into the future… also , hashirama literally was going to kill himself with a kunai .. a fucking kunai & a character like kaido fell from the sky head first & survived without a scratch & Rodger was stronger than kaido .. so Rodgers attack power is very very dangerous for hashirama…
Roger died to stab at his execution. Get debunked
Bro is just a Naruto meatrider
W as usual, and keep it up your growing fast. When I first saw your channel you was at 200 subs and that was just 2 months ago.
Hashirama: “Damn it! I’m out of chakra!”
Roger: “let’s go get a drink or something until you get it back”
Hashirama is never out of chakra he fought madra for days he is a master of sage mode which requires loads of charkra just to train he is gonna stomp Roger and still would have enough chakra to destroy the one piece world
Tell me you never watched Naruto without telling me you never watched Naruto
@@Vihaan8888 Admirals fought for 10 days straight. They are considered weaker than a Yonko. Now Roger is not only a Yonko level but also the King of Pirates. Advanced Observation and Conquerors is all he needs to beat these guys. Lmao.
@@Vihaan8888 Narutards maybe the worst scalers out there, Imma be real.
Hashirama just has better regeneration and better ap and more versatile.
The regen is irrelevant since Roger one-shots him and with the speed diff it's just not a fight. Roger Blitz one shots.
I Liked This Video, Due To The Fact That Even With Small Feats Between The Two Character Their Titles (King Of Pirates) And. (God Pf Shinobi), Means Something Already, Good Vid Mate
Bro really said Hashirama can run around the world 5000 times in a single second… his numbers are making no sense. Like the attack potency of Hashirama is apparently 10x higher than Kurama even though he has nothing as destructive as a bijuudama. His wood release can absorb and supress chakra, that’s why he can beat the nine tails, and his wood release is extremely durable to be able to block those attacks, but that doesn’t mean his wood release hitting someone would do the same kind of damage, it just means that Hashirama is a hard counter for tailed beasts who have no techniques or skills, they’re just big and strong and blow sh*t up
AP and destructive capacity are two different things. Hashirama can hurt people with that level of durability doesn’t necessarily mean he can blow up the planet. He can easily negate Bijuu bombs and I do mean EASILY as shown in his fight against Madara and the Ten Tails. Listen to the evidence before you critique it.
Travel seped doesn't mean reaction and combat speed
When sengoku said that whitebeard can destory the world he never meant Earth and if you know how big is onepiece world (least DWARF STAR) size is u need to think again😂😂😂
Light speed is so Fast in one piece that I can see it with my eyes
Read manga
1: the 73x SOL feat is invalid and has been debunked. the "calculation" was done through pixel scalling. if you look at the MANGA CANNON hokage naruto is having trouble saving himawari from deltas light speed laser.
2: the naruto data books are inconsistent and therfore INVALID, this further supports the first point and also debunks the world ending feat of kurama since FAR SUPERIOR characters like full power code and daemon dont even destroy the building they are on when they clash.
3: claiming primebeards world ending feat is surface level is HEADCANNON at best since we have been shown in real time that awekening turns the DF into a whole new beast. also the dynamic of roger/WB is questionable since sick roger is shown to rival a WB with no fruit, that would make sick roger equal to primebeard with no fruit (or with a fruit depending on whether you think WB did use his fruit off screen), on the other hand if you think roger is not affected by his illness then that would potentially put wb over roger or vice versa.
Very nice 🔥🔥🔥🔥🖤
So Whitebeard is moon level? Lol
Wb can break the air punches sekizo that’s guys used so Guy wouid have to use night guy which WB can dodge or use advanced Aranament haki to protect himself from night guy
Also
Hashi would just stomps manh was laughing whn madara clocks his Susanoo witu nine tails
@@buggah4947 roger doesnt blitz anything... Yall one piece fans need to accept that its the weakest of the big 3.
@@Xero-rr2ol But in reality it's not. Naruto is the weakest in the big 3. But If boruto is included, then one piece verse would lose. And that's only because of one character, Shibai. Other characters would lose. Boruto should not be included with Naruto when we take the big 3. If you are just saying Naruto including boruto, then Bleach > Naruto > Op. If Shibai was not included then Bleach > Op > Naruto.
@@niteeshj1097we have not seen shibai powers yet in boruto and if i am the only one that didnt saw it then pls no spoilers
@@shinyplus891 Yeah we have not seen anything from shibai but we know for sure that he has eaten many chakra fruits and eats planets and stuff. Isshiki can destroy planet. Ohtsusuki god should be way above that. And it's not just blind assumption. It's even said that he is not in the same dimension. Suggesting that he is in the 4th dimension. So yeah.
@@niteeshj1097 how can i explain this? I will try, so there are plain dimensions and material dimensions. The plain dimensions are the ones we can see and exist everywhere everytime like diferent levels of One material dimension, like we are in a material dimension made with plain dimensions and we are in our big bang existence in the 3rd plain dimension, so in resume material dimensions are like planets per example and plain dimensions are the way we see the material,
So shibai is in a another universe made out of planets like we are, btw there also are pocket dimensions and those are between the 2 universes ( pocket dimensions are like material dimensions but more unstable as you may saw sometimes in your life that they are broken or something like the backrooms ) between universes there are windows and sometimes they open, so with this all shibai must be a very broken character to do this, and about the otsusuki God he doesnt care about naruto universe existence, Gods are mostly like that
Hope this wasnt confusing,maybe try rereading all this if you get lost
Hashirama a would just jump Roger with his wood clones. What is stopping Hashirama from making his wood clones all summon their own 1000 arm budha clone?
Chakra?
Shinsusenju is his ultimate jutsu how can he just spam that shit 1000x in an instant.
My personal view on this is, Roger was not only on par but surpassing a guy who has the power to literally destroy islands upon activating his power, that’s not to undertone on hashirama because outside of kaguya, Indura, asura, and other jinchuriki, he is by far the strongest character in the series by just naturally grown feats alone, but still we are talking about a guy who stands on top of the entire one piece verse, and as it stands I’d have to give this one to Roger
This isn’t really a good comparison. One of them barely get any confirmed seats we know characters he’s around the strength of butt white beard. We mostly see him out of his prime along with Garp, and the other guy. He fights is a mystery.
Bro if wb was able to destroy the world with his fruit then roger cant be said to be the same as we know wb would use his earthquakes and tsunamies so we can't say roger is moon level
I am now wondering why i wasted my time😂💀
Wym
Yeah 😂
If pretimeskip luffy is lightspeed with gear 2, and post timeskip sabaody luffy is at least lightspeed in base, so with gear 2 he is 10c. (gear 2 is 10x multiplier not 5x)
Disregarding any speed increases until dressrosa and assuming gear 4 is only a 2 times muliplier on top of gear 2 (this is very conservative), so dressrosa gear 4 luffy is 20c (10c base x 10 for gear 2 x 2 for gear 4).
He also gets much faster when fighting katakuri but ill disregard that for now.
Then in wano he goes from getting no diffed by kaido using gear 4, to fighting him in base and doing better than he did in gear 4 meaning his base is as fast as his pre wano gear 4 ie 20c. Therefore using gear 4 he is 400c (20c base x 10 for gear 2 x 2 for gear 4).
Then gear 5 and a fully recovered luffy is easily a x2 multiplier and roger is easily at least 2 x as fast. So roger is at least 1600c.
Ap isn't close, hashirama is way stronger.
However as im saying roger around twice as fast and has dura neg, he blitzes and one shots.
Of course this also depends on how you scale haki and chakra so there's no way to confrim.
You can get Naruto characters 1000x light speed based off a calc of Naruto dodging the 4th Raikage.
@@DHworldwide185 what's bigger 1600 or 1000?
Land of waves naruto has light speed reaction time
@@tdg3040 I mean, that naruto (`with the kyubi amp) is stronger than Kakashi at the time. (Haku>zabuza)
But Naruto doesn't cliff this in base for a long time.
If pretimeskip luffy is lightspeed with gear 2
lmao you ignoring Rayleigh statement about light speed when training luffy
I love both series and hashirama should have a massive edge in ap and raw hax.
Roger’s Unga bunga taijutsu sword attack are not enough to put down a character like hashirama.
Idc who wins, As long one piece is finally put at debate at yt.
I’m confused about hashirama’s speed. Why does he scale to minato? That makes no sense. Also he is not small planet level.
But, all in all good vid.
Except roger slams
Why don’t you think Hashirama is small planetary when he scales above the Nine Tails? I agree about the Minato scaling but he would still be FTL regardless. Roger has no counters for Deep Forest Emergence or his broken Regeneration that can repair and replace organs.
@@DHworldwide185 Because the nine tails is not planetary lmao. Do you actually think the BASE NINE TAILS THAT GETS CUT BY BASIC WIND STYLE CAN FIGHT TONERI ? Absolute Moron. Nobody prior to the hard-line six paths characters is light speed in naruto, that's Hard confirmed, can't scale your way around it. Madara's lightfang was barely dodged by naruto, he even got his Truth seeking ball cut, and said "Woah !" on the panel. And that's with HEAVY SOSP Precog. The attacks stated to be lightspeed too.
I believe u neglected the fact hashirama has genjutsu. Also all of your evaluation of rogers abilities are assumed via inference. Using luffy and whitebeard as the basis for his abilities. First of all you can't use whitebeard's strength to do so because that assumes that roger was at his level of brute power. We don't know that since we don't know much about how he fights. Plus the fact, we have limited knowledge on how whitebeards power can be utilized in a one on one fight. It could very well be terrible in that situation. Using luffy's speed doesn't work either because you have to assume so much.
Way too much of the scaling of one piece seems based too much on statements characters is always going to be a bit iffy. You have to assume they aren't meant to be hyperbolic and assume the writer put any thought into the scaling( and not just saying things that sound big and inpressive).
Hashirama is multi continental easy and we've seen it and it's said the maps have to be redraw and yeah it was shown no one in one is beating Hashirama
WB can literally destroy the World, he can spam that power without any fatigue and he could also increase the output of his earthquake his just being careful having his crew beside him.
Comparing Naruto to OP is useless because no one knows the scale in OP so you all are guessing.Until we see Rodger go all out there is no comparison that will make sense.
Kaido is so fast Luffy's future sight can't keep up Luffy says in chapter 1001 "dang it i was reading the future and everything it's so fast"
To be fair we have seen more of hashirama then Roger
Roger was killed by 2 regular blades during his execution so... his durability is just as iffy as Naruto humans imo
He was sick lmao
even if he have that durability hashirama cant even touch roger lol
As if madara didn't die to sword stab.
@@itsoblivion8124 Hashirama was going to die to a kunai too.
Also how you gonna power scale people who havnt been given any real screen time. Just hypothetical on hypothetical
Hashirama has screen time and plenty of feats.. Roger is featless tho so.
@@Xero-rr2olExcept he fought prime whitebeard on equal footing, who has plenty of ap/dc feats in marineford (when he was old as well) so you can get an idea of how strong he is. If we only went off feats characters like whis would have less dp than master roshi lol.
@@Xero-rr2ol rodger is not featless lol you just dont watch one piece and it shows
Great video but I feel like you are being little biased.Half Kurama is not planetary. The thing is that, if half of kurama was planetary, it would cause so many plot holes in Naruto. Because then kaguya, momoshiki, isshiki etc., would literally destroy the naruto planet with a literal snap of their finger. But they can't do that. And if they were that strong truly then, their clash would literally destroy planets. So we can easily conclude that the Kurama statement refers to the rage. And thank god you didn't bring up the kaguya scaling which is bs. People think she created the dimension while in the official kanji it is stated that she only switches them. And I would say movement speed goes to hashirama while reflex and combat speed goes to roger. Sage mode does help with the reaction speed but the future sight is just too op. Shanks has at least 10 seconds of future sight and that is minimum. So roger would have great reaction speed. And we can see Zoro dodge kuma's attacks pre time skip which are light speed. So pre time skip zoro is faster than light. And this actually makes a lot of sense because post time skip luffy dodged light speed attacks and called them slow. And post time skip luffy is way faster than pre time skip zoro.
I would say durability is roger considering he took attacks from wb. His durability and endurance should be very high. Hashirama has great durability but it wouldn't matter against roger who has multiple types of dura neg. Hax part I agree. Hashirama has sage mode, his wood style etc., which gives him decent advantage. But the hax different would not be like a complete 1 side stomp. Roger has great haki. He has 2 type of dura neg, ability to put his will power over others which can actually cause physical damage, and atleast a 10 second future sight. But hashirama does have the better hax. The thing is that, the Raikage was stated to be almost light speed. So KCM 1 Naruto is at least light speed. I would say KCM 1 Naruto is 2x SOL reaction because we were not given exact values but we can use some headcanon. And with the SO6P and KCM 3 and Sage mode and everything included it's safe to assume Naruto has 300x SOL reaction speed(We were not given specific values). But hashirama has way lesser speed than this Naruto. So this would make hashirama have lesser reaction speed than Roger.
crazy how he didn't respond to this comment.
Zoro wasn't FTL pre times skip he could barely dodge his moves at most low rel that he was reaching
@@rowmeinor maybe he didn't see it, like seriously
@@faith4657 Wdym zoro wasn't light speed reaction before time skip? I literally gave you the feat. First go learn to debate. Zoro dodged kuma's attacks which are light speed. Go watch one piece and learn how to scale
@@niteeshj1097 please don't be an ass and considered to reduce your tone. I know that he dodged them I literally watched one piece, I also know how to skill unlike you who didn't know that the Zoro was struggling the hell to dodge this man's paw's, literally like he could barely Dodge them he was only like going small movements. That's only like low rel
I watch both anime but i don't remember hashirama displaying such strength,considering naruto is much stronger than the later after the war only displaying at least moon level strength.
Ok, firstly the whitebeard thing was stated in anime, the naruto kurama thing was stated in a databook, its like looking at a one piece databook that says zoro can cut the world with one blade, like your not gonna take that seriously because its not in story.
I don't understand why a freaking wood bending is able to drain chakra and melt susanno💀💀
😂😂😂 👏👍 good question ⁉️
The wood can absorb chakra.
a broken "yang" nature release that alter reality that's why
Yeah you are right, i totally agree
If you think about even tho one Piece world is shown as a globe they low key are taking history and knowledge from flat earth theory… because within the flat earth theory, if the Earth was actually flat, it would be astronomically way larger than they said it would be even more landmass is yet to be undiscovered… and in one piece, they treat continents as islands, and in the flat earth theory the Earth as we know, it is not a globe in space, but a giant landmass in the infinite ocean
Would you do whitebeard vs tobirama?
I can make whatever video u want for 20 bucks
The easiest way to answer any fight against Roger is to ask wheither that character is capable of defeating Kaido. Kaido, Whitebeard, Big Mom, Shiki, AND ROCKS, lost to literally brute force and haki from Roger and Garp.
This video is very biased towards Naruto, especially considering there's isn't enough data to scale, as stated early inthe video, yet somehow still scales them up.
I don't agree with speed calculation in both of the verses.
I still think that they both are pretty relative in everything and there is no need for Verse equalization as Chakra being Spiritual enerr can harm haki user like Whitebeard got stabbed by swords even though he he had Haki.
This match is going to draw I am sure about that.
bro you’re a genius i understood 5% of what you said
This def not the way I would scale WB lmao
lowballed beyond belief; idk why frag to vap of crust was mentioned
No one cares what u think
Bc tsunamis and earth quakes can’t destroy more than the surface of the earth ?
@@sbthesage2100 this is a common misconception from people who don’t know the first thing about seismology, which funnily enough you didn’t mention any earth quake calcs which yield higher values off his range alone ( super telling ). When plates shift seismic energy propagates beyond the earth surface but it’s never enough to significantly affect the inner and outer core due to the magnitude of the quake which blatantly is different in the case of Whitebeard with planetary range. Also, it’s stated during marineford when he embedded his fingers into the sky that when he was shifting the base that it wasn’t an earthquake at play meaning he can do beyond that, his ability is to cause general vibrations not inherently specific to tectonic activity.
@@futuresekkai earthquakes cannot destroy the entirety of a planet bc they are results in stresses of the crust wtf are you even talking ab bro you’re just saying a bunch of shit you think is cool but it’s actually irrelevant 💀
My guy said high ball luffy and kaido speed bro that’s such a low ball it’s beyond crazy
Gonna be honest. I thought Roger was gonna win. But I'm OK with the outcome and this was a W vid
You cannot scale minato or naruto to hashirama. Madara as we know has a sharingan and rinnegan he more than likely saw naruto coming from a mile away. And minato was also stated to be way faster than the other hokages, and his speed is only significantly amped due to the Flying thunder God technique.
The Sharingan is an amp in reaction speed tard Rock lee literally explains you can have high reaction speed and still get blitzed madara is blocking that’s his combat speed also Minato’s speed minato in base also scales to raikage who’s stated to not be inferior to him In speed with or without ftg and we know this for a fact bc minato blitzes through the raikages reactions which are stated to be as fast as minato lmao scaling still stands
Join the discord if you want to debate it tho
I don't know why u r down playing op. well the entire vid is based on your perspective in my perspective i can scale roger above all top tiers in Naruto and roger can one shot hashirama.
Vivre card kind if states that he wasn't actually planetary
the issue is, observation haki does not and should never equate to speed, dodging something you know will happen does not make you faster than it, dodging a speeding car does not make you as fast as a car, dodging a bullet that you knew would go somewhere will not make you as fast or faster than a bullet. I genuinely dont see how people think it does.
Luffy didn't use haki to aim dodge the pacifista. You can see the point of view of the lasers coming to Luffy first before he dodges them. Also besides the first beam which had the most distance to prepare the second and third are point blank since they were all shot together and he moved his head between them. Even in the case he was using observation haki you still need to be fast enough to react to it. How do you think Luffy still manage to hit Katakuri despite him having future sight and knowing all of Luffy attacks 5 seconds into the future.
@@nameslastnames4507 Isn't it crazy how when i step sideways while a car is like 1m from me I instantly because as fast as a car, Also Isn't Katakuri's entire thing is that he wanted to lose this fight or something
@@Kasairoe No it wasn't but even if you want to claim it so the same situation thing with Kaido. Luffy couldn't dodge Kaido with future sight and Kaido wasn't even using his own. Point blank will make you faster than the car. What do you want the attack to spawn inside you to dodge it???
@@nameslastnames4507 pointblank does not make you faster, you sound stupid bro, precognition shouldn't ever be talked about concerning speed in any conversation because it isn't speed, it is prediction of where something will be and avoiding a position.
Bro am I only one who finds it stupid the one piece world having a surface area half a million times our own, like I understand and can agree with it being bigger but scaling it to twice our own star seems absurd and although things like the alabaster river have some crazy size I don’t at all think it was odas intention. The very max I can get on board with is continental one piece, star level one piece just seems like insane wank by op fans to try equalise it with the other big 3
The one piece world is NOT bigger than the sun, not even close, if it was then it would take millenniums to cross the grand line and the new world.
Weapon+ short range- roger
Healing,hax, durability,skill, abilities -hashirma
Speed and strength is almost same and reflex also
Strength roger had haki attacks
Hasirama wood cannot be burn with fire strong lava attacks need still can regenerated
Id firstly like to say, I have not fully seen the video. Now, Whitebeard can destory the one piece world not just the surface but the world itself, because its anime, meaning the impossible is possible buts that all
5:50 at the epicenter of 100's of biju bomb exploding.......did this not bring up any drastic red flags about how your power scaling of \Hashirama and hence every other Naruto character was Clearly way off? Why do people go off Unbacked words rather than the actual feats of the characters from their Media? NOTHING for the Naruto/Boruto series has truly come close to showing any character remotely close to fragmentation level, and I mean NOTHING. Its always been talk (Hyperbolic information) FEATS are what matter. Feats like how the best we have ever seen in Naruto/Boruto have only be around Mid country side at best, as shown/proven by examination of the battlefield and collateral damage of said fights. Not that this really matters as OP characters rely mostly on dealing meaningful direct attacks over the over dramatized AOE ish attacks from Naruto, to which case we still see that those CQC style attacks still prove comparable amounts of collateral damage then shown in the Naruto series. Why is this important, because FEATS are things that ACTUALLY happen. And don't even get me started on how wrong the Speed calcs are, or even the drastically underwhelming explanation of how Busted Haki is.
I dont agree with with this roger would be faster than hashirama as the admirals would be able to beat him
wtf are you smoking
@@sbthesage2100 Reality.
Wouldn't hashirama's planetery level ap be weaker than roger's? since the naruto planet is probably extremely smaller compared to the one piece world.
Good bid but I hate when ppl say that luffy is star lvl because white beard could possibly destroy a star bro he can do that because his devil fruit WHICH LUFFY OR ANYONE ELSE WIO SCALES TO PRIME OR OLD WHITEBEARD HAVE IT MAKES ME SO MAD
Just off ur logic and dialogue i followed immediately 😂 love this analysis
Although I still think this fight is more even than people want to admit
Why hashirama vs roger is not close
1 is a ninja 1 is a pirate
Both are dead
1 has chakra 1 has haki
Both are strong
1 has wood style 1 has d.departure
Both do massive damage
Hashirama's AP is leagues above compare to island level fodders
Interesting video, I agree most about it but at the same time I dont think we’ve seen enough of what Roger can do to scale tbh
its roger cuz we havent even seen him going all out
naruto is barely faster than light vs madara
hashirama will clap uncle roger.
Hashirama has that MSG
In both universes, light is very slow, it takes Kizaru, the literal light logia user, around 10 seconds to use a light attack, and then it takes the light some time to get to the object, but for Naruto, I'm just going off of clips I've seen, as I don't watch Naruto
The attacks are slowed in every anime so we can see and understand them. You can see the fights taking place in dragon ball - a verse from which fodder casually one taps either verse - also has a tournament take a full "hour" despite fighters basically all fighting MFTL.
Whitebeard has the power to destroy the world: one piece fans 😎
Kurama is said to be able to turn the world to ash: one piece fans 😡
Why are you being savage to the comments bro. :/ also we don’t know Roger’s full power as well. Not saying there’s no point to the video but also using reanimated hashirama would be unfair because of unlimited chakra pull and regen. Plus putting haki and chakra in a equalizing battle is just too confusing. Ryou destroys organs and seeing the future is op but I honestly don’t know what’s the point in this battle good bye
this video was old current roger decimates entire narutoverse
Luffy gear 5 vs Kizaru
This susano one slash can cut anything in universe
-madara uchiha.
Who the fuck is roger then
I don’t think Hashirama can do genjutsu which is what makes this fight interesting because if he did it would be over because he would just instantly put Roger in a Genjutsu, which would not be interesting to make a comparison simply because it would be over instantly
He can but not on the Uchiha level
@ericwilliams6905 thanks but I’d also think it’s hard to compare anime’s like could roger knock out Hashirama with conquerors haki or not it’s weird because against any Uchiha even way weaker ones compared to Hashirama would beat roger with genjutsu
@@Onlyaducklol123 that's why I don't compare different anime
@@Onlyaducklol123 Haki ignores all hax so genjutsu just wouldn't matter.
Also hasharia's durability wouldnt even matter for the most part because Rodger has 2 forms of durability negation
We also like to ignore who they are im sorry i take the tree ninja who can clone himself over the most piratey pirate that ever did sail lmao
So serious question is the entire verses speed based off the raikages statement? Pretty fragile reasoning if so
current one piece power scaling beats naruto
I just wish we got more feats from some of one pieces strongest