@@wwerules000im surprised the guy that played Biff was as nice as he was because the way Eric Stoltz nearly broke his collar bone that enough to have a fight break out
Later in that same interview he says he was planning to get some payback on Stolz, but never got the chance as he was fired before they filmed the scene where Biff rips him out of the car.
It’s an absolute miracle that Back to Future somehow managed to capture lightning in a bottle considering all the back and forth they had during production
I know it's cruel to say, but if we had Eric Stoltz instead of Michael J. Fox, we could also have had a very recent sequel that never happened because of Michael J. Fox's health
Another interesting bit of casting was J.J. Cohen, who ended up playing a member of Biff's gang, was the favorite choice of Gale and Zemeckis for Biff himself. They both really loved his presence but ultimately felt he wasn't physically imposing enough against Eric Stoltz. Gale admitted that if Michael J Fox was cast in the first place, Cohen very well might've ended up playing Biff.
I’ve been saying two things about Eric Stoltz: one, he actually looks like he could be the son of Crispin Glover and/or Leah Thompson and two, his wardrobe looked sooo cool lol
I think Eric Stoltz's vision for Marty as a tragic character would've made an interesting premise for the sequel. The tone/genre would've been different, but it's a compelling thought to think of a boy who has knowingly missed out on so much of parents/siblings life.
Without losing BTTF as we have it, I'd love that version to exist. I know Zemeckis and Gale won't allow a remake but I honestly think a serious version could be worthwhile making.
@Pewskeepsi, it couldn't have happened for the second movie. Marty in this narrative is a reactive character, and (other than the letter, scheme to reunite his parents, and altering the destination by 10 minutes) doesn't often plan ahead. In fact, the sequel runs with that idea making him extremely impulsive any time someone calls him out. Marty wouldn't have enough time to stop and consider his life and what he missed out on since he never stops moving to the next situation. However I agree, yes it would have made for an interesting sequel.
Eric Stoltz ended up playing the lead character in THE FLY II (whose name was Martin - and later turned into a human/fly hybrid), so it looks like Eric ended up playing Marty McFly after all.
true! this was like the heel wrestler Million Dollar Man was supposed to win the WWF title at WM 4 in 1988 instead of Macho Man randy savage! history would have been different had Dibiase won that huge tournament for the vacant world title.
Instead of a reboot or remake I would love to see that darker and serious version of Back To The Future with Stolz. It sounds interesting, but yeah will never be as good as the original.
An alternate universe Back To The Future🤔 Alterante universes have basically become a genre now. However, in the 1980's this would've been a revolutionary plot device. Just as long as the making of the alternate universe movies didn't negatively effect the originals by splitting up writers, reducing budgets, and a slew of many other things that could damage the original trilogy I'd have been on board.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Thomas Wilson has said that it's Eric's hand in the shot. Likely Eric's punches were more (painfully) realistic, and thus good for the shot, based on what Wilson says in this video.
@@BulletsandblockbustersIt's also rumored that the DeLorean driving scenes at the beginning at Twin Pines Mall were also from the Stoltz version with him inside the car. But since you can't really see the driver good enough to discern who it is, they kept those shots in and added the inserts with Michael J. Fox inside.
In the skateboard scene one of the shoots is of the Stoltz stunt double. The undershirt being worn is the same one Stoltz had on in pics from those scenes, MJF had a different colour undershirt.
Claudia Wells was actually offered the role of Jennifer before Melora Hardin was cast. But, Wells was doing a TV pilot for ABC at the time. ABC wouldn’t allow Claudia to do both the TV pilot and the movie. So, Hardin was then cast as Jennifer. Then, after Eric was fired, the producers went back to Claudia…This story is found in the book “We Don’t Need Roads” by Caseen Gaines
My mom told me she went to that ride in Universal too, as well as others like Jaws, Jurassic Park, Terminator, etc... she was lucky to live back then, with all that music and movies, I wish I could go to Universal Parks.
You guys make absolutely incredible videos. The research you guys must have to do to make it so informative and interesting, the editing to make it so snappy and to the point, and the scripting to make it flow so well must take a lot of effort and we really appreciate it! Keep it up!
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I thought this video was very good and insightful. Thanks for making it! 👍 Here are a few other video ideas… 1. Pixar’s Newt 2. Godzilla 1994 3. King Kong 1996 4. The many changes made to Pixar’s Inside Out 5. The original version of Beetlejuice
Scrapping the futuristic ending also gave them the opportunity to use some of its elements for the sequel where they travel to the future. If the alternate 1985 already had flying cars and similar things, there wouldn't be much left to be futuristic in 2015.
its also a nice story arc and gives some appeal by bringing us back to a familiar place. it ties the bow nicely. maybe the most perfect movie ever to be made
Back to the Future is the perfect example of changes for the better in film. The Time Machine, the sidekicks, the ending, and the most obvious, Stoltz to Fox. Just imagine a dark and moody Marty, Professor Brown, a monkey, "Space Man from Pluto", and "Nuking the Fridge" being what we got. The Horror.
They made a reference to Eric Stoltz playing Marty McFly in TH FLASH, as Barry learns that Michael J. Fox is the lead in FOOTLOOSE and Kevin Bacon is Maverick in TOP GUN
Man, I knew a lot of this but there was actually a lot I _didn't_ know as well. The stars *_really_* aligned to give us the movie we know and love today!
BTTF has been one of my favourite movies of all time it came out when I was 10yrs old and I must of watched it 100s of times since then, there is no way it would be the cultural iconic phenomenon it is if they went down the original route, great video as always I look forward to new content next year and pride myself as a Y1OG of this channel, all the best mate
I don't believe the theory that Eric Stoltz played the character in a way that the director and writer didn't want him to play it. It is pretty obvious if you go through the earlier scripts, that Back to the Future had more of a somber tone Eric was merely playing the role the way according to that creative direction. There is no way that they shot over 90 percent of the movie with an actor that wasn't acting the way that the director and writer that they wanted him to do it. It seems like later on, they made a creative choice to have more of a comedic/light-hearted tone. Considering the opening act of BTTF still has a bit of that depressing tone. This blog post talks about it in detail.
Not sure why they changed the tone of the movie; or, tweaked it. I think the Stoltz cut -- if it had come out today -- would hold up very well. For moviegoers who didn't grow up on Michael J. Fox, I wonder how they would react.... The Stoltz/Fox debate could be similar to the Jordan/LeBron debate. Ironically, myself being a Jordan guy, man, that Stoltz stuff looks really, really, really cool.
@@robgronotte1 no. they shot the whole thing with Stoltz. actor playing Biff said that he was already looking for a new job when they asked him to refilm everything
@@robgronotte1 Look at the production photos, Stoltz is in almost all key scenes. It's not that crazy. Exocist 4 was also completely re-filmed after poor test screenings
Really interesting video man it would be cool to see the Eric Stoltz version as it’s said it was more of a serious and darker time travel movie than the comedy we got, very informative video 👍🏻
Yes! There's an IDW comic covering that very premise, it's from around 2015 (no, really) but I always assumed as Marty integrated into it, he'd then have both sets of memories
I bought the entire trilogy for Christmas of 2023! I’m happy to learn more about the movies! I do think it was intresting of the idea of the dramatic and tragic ending.
Bob Gale is a very underrated producer. I always loved his film commentary from the first BTF dvd box set released around 2002. One thing he I particular he said was that if they happened to travel into that era (pre-2015) Lou’s cafe would not have been an aerobics gym but more like a Starbucks! Check it out.
Yes but if I were Bob Gale I would have fought Ten Times harder to keep The Original George McFly (Crispin Glover) in Back to the Future 2 and 3 despite their differences. Wold have been much better sequels for sure.
My favourite film of all time, but it's a shame about mjf getting parkinsons 😢 he was just a great actor 👍 great video as always BB keep em coming my friend, love from the uk 🇬🇧
Back to the Future is truly one of the best examples of everything happens for a reason, we thankfully got Michael J Foxx as Marty Mcfly( no offense Eric Stoltz ) and we got the DeLorian which a refrigerator originally WTF 😂
I just want to say I love this channel. I only found it last year but it's quickly become one of my favorites. Thanks for all the interesting information. Your videos are fascinating
This video is how I really got info about the Eric Stoltz version of BttF. And man, all I can say is: Release the Stoltz Cut. I fully admit that it’s probably not as good, but I am really intrigued by a version with Marty portrayed with a serious and tragic pathos. It’s so fascinating that Stoltz and the Two Bobs could look at the same story and come to such different interpretations, and I’d love to see a taste of Stoltz’s point of view.
This was one of the greatest trilogies of all time. I didn't get to see any of these films in the theater but when the third film was finally released my family and I saw it at the drive in. To this day I still think back to that night as a memorable movie-going experience.
I want to see Eric Stoltz's version of Back to the Future so bad. It could never replace the original, but in keeping with the spirit of the film, we could imagine it as an "alternate timeline" in which Marty McFly is a bit different -- a glimpse into the BTTF multiverse, if you will. C'mon Bobs, please get to work on releasing it! (For the record, I never thought Brian Wilson would release the legendary lost Beach Boys album "SMiLE," but nearly forty years after shelving it, he did just that. That brings me hope for this.)
Myself, I'd be a bit afraid of experiencing the same disappointment I felt after watching Disney/Pixar's Lightyear, as in, "I wish I hadn't seen that".
My mother actually preferred Elisabeth Shue, sure Claudia Wells was a beauty, but Shue was more expressive, I wish she had more screentime and a proper excuse to be in the film, guess Zemeckis and Gale didn't know what to do with her, but yeah, imagine if Claudia Wells was in the 2nd movie.
8:34 that’s great that Eric Stoltz saw the film as a tragedy. However while in 1955 Marty just wants to get back to the future while fixing it. He doesn’t know that there will be any changes to the future. He might guess that things could be different but for all he actually knows he was there originally. So the tragedy one happens when Marty returns home and actually figures it out and feels that is was bad that he didn’t live that different life. However, if my drunk mother was no longer a drunk and my waste of a space father was now a famous author and bought me the car I really wanted and I still everything else was just about the same, where is the tragedy?
I saw in another video, were they explained/theorized that in the original timeline, Marty was the only one in the family who had it together. When he gets back to the future, he sees that his family is unrecognizable, and thanks to his intervention, they are more together than he is. He feels alienated by the change. I don't know if that interpretation was from Stoltz directly, but given everything that he has said about how he interpreted the script, it really makes sense
@@scottpomann5353 yeah but that wouldn’t happen until the end of the movie. So why would he act like it was a tragedy before he knew that anything changed or that anything could be changed by any thing he was doing? The tragedy would happen after meeting his "new" family and learning that they are different, which only happens after meeting his mother and father on the morning of October 26 1985. Not in 1955, when the tragedy of realizing Marty not being from the family that he meets at the end of Back to the Future 1 would only happen at the end of Back to the Future 1 and not at any other time so why act like something is a tragedy before it happens? Sure foreshadow it but don’t make it the crux of the character, especially if the director, producers and writers of the movie as well as the other actors in the movie are telling you that you aren’t doing what they want from you. It makes you a bad scene partner and a bad actor. If you have such an uncompromising point of view you’ll get fired. So the ultimate tragedy for Eric Stolz was that he got fired and his career never really recovered.
I think he was voicing an objection to the happy ending which was a little contrived and disappointing for a realist. A more likely scenario possibly would have been a completely different future maybe even excluding family members. I think Stoltz brought a dose of reality to the part. Possibly to the betterment of everyone.
@@christopherfoote4643 correct! He was taking it very seriously, mostly because he stupidly thought that Marty would feel like he was going to live with a family that had an entirely different life from the one he knew from his life in 1985 even though he had a photo that was erasing his brother but not completely yet and his goal was to prevent that erasure, hoping that nothing would change and after George kissed Loraine he had almost conclusive proof that he succeeded as the photo was restored with no changes. The sad part is Eric was right the Marty (Marty Prime) that is drove in the Twin Pine Mall (Mall Prime) isn’t the same Marty (Alternate Marty or Marty A) that we see in the end of the moving when Marty Prime runs up to the Lone Pine Mall (Mall A) and watches Marty A go to 1955 where he might do different things and create another alternate 1985 this where Marty A is never born because he fails or it creates an infinite loop of alternate Martys repeating similar events over and over again. However, when all of your producers, director, cast mates and even possibly even the make up and craft services people are telling you things aren’t working try something different, I mean even Eric Stoltz knew it wasn’t working. In the end we got what we got and it is great so whatever dude. It’s all good.
Had no idea about some of these original ideas! I really do like the idea that the future ends up like the Jetsons and retro future sci fi. I never liked the whole rock n roll sub plot as much, as it's kind of a thin joke that rock n roll happens becuase of any one song. Chuck Berry just would've wrote something else, etc... anyway love this movie, great video and great topic
@@Draknfyre a lot can be shot in 6 weeks, and reports vary as to how much he filmed. Some say he shot up to 95% of marty's parts. Regardless, i want to see all the parts eric filmed. RELEASE THE STOLTZ CUT!!
Another perfect synopsis of what could have been. Keep it up brother. PS> I have to say your videos centered on one movie rather than multiples (like Spielberg’s ET feature) are more effective.
Thanks! I only did the videos on Spielberg and Tarantino because there wasn't enough material to do an entire video about only one of their unmade films.
The refrigerator wouldn’t have gone over nearly as well. Funny how it still seems completely believable to me that a DeLorean could travel through time and I’m 44! Idk, seems legit to me! 🤣👏
It's so true that Back to the future is a perfect movie . Its hard to believe anyone else in those parts . Yes the second one isn't as good but the third one made up for it . That is one franchise I could never see being remade or messed with.
I love this channel because, as a film buff, I feel like I already know everything about these classics... but you always seem to come up with new knowledge that I've not yet been privy to. Like the ending where George is the Heavyweight Champ of The World. That's hysterical! Plus all the BTS footage and photos that are fascinating. Keep these comin'! Cheers and Happy New Year!
The Chuck Berry scene is always funny 😂 It never even occured to me about Marty's being outside of his own (new) upbringing like that, that's an interesting point and idea A "Grandmaster"-like Doc Brown though? Fantastic 😂
Lots of interesting questions about how and what relationship Doc and Marty are implied to have might have different answers. There’s a subtext that Lorraine suspects Doc and Marty are romantically involved in the MJF version, for example, I wonder if it’s more or less present in the Eric cut
@@SumDumGyI’m from the future. Your curiosity got the best of you and you tracked down the Eric Stoltz version online and paid to see it. You then posted on UA-cam how you wish you hadn’t. Trust me, I’m from the future.
Coming in to this video as a BTTF nerd, I assumed I wouldn’t learn anything new about the film. Color me shocked as I was unaware that Melora Hardin was the OG Jennifer. Thanks for the new info!
I love Back to the Future! All 3 movies are amazing. Good history review! I got to meet Christopher Loyld himself at a comic convention recently! He’s an awesome guy!
the original sounds like it can work as its own stand alone movie. In fact, if they ever want to reboot the franchise like they have so many others at least they already have a script that differs from the original
The WORST mistake in History will be when someone reboots a Perfect film. Hell to the No....Only Sequels can be possible made...not reboots. None of these actors can be replaced properly ever. Hubris and Pride might try though.
Ive watched all your videos, top tier and always informative and entertaining ... I'd love to see a much longer hour+ deep dive on any of these videos or other ideas
Really wanna see all the Eric Stoltz scenes! Not only because I wanna see how he plays Marty, but also how he plays the role with the other actors. Ever since I heard about the story with Eric Stoltz, I noticed more and more things in the movie like actors have slightly different haircuts or makeup in scenes where MJF is not in the picture. When Marty punches Biff in the Cafe it's the most obvious scene which is cleary not Michael J Fox: The lightning is different and Thomas F. Wilson has for some reason less wrinkles. Also the scenes where Marty wears the Anti-Radiation Suit, he looks taller, now I don't know if that is also Eric Stoltz or if that's his stuntman.
I have noticed some things like that, too. In some scenes, we get a more laid back Doc. Then we get the zany, Jim-From-Taxi version. They spliced two different movies. The Stoltz cut probably holds up very well!
@@markyacoubian1911as a method actor, Eric would have established what relationship Marty has with Doc and may have workshopped it with Lloyd. In contrast MJF is sleep deprived and likely doesn’t have the time to go deep on his character. So Lloyd likely carried that into the reshoots
@@The_CGA Stoltz version would have been a good stand-alone movie. IF they release it on Netflix or something, it would be the BLOCKBUSTER HIT of the summer.... Doc was good -- it feels like some scenes you get "Goofy" Doc as well as Doc 2.0 or something. Some "mash-up" scenes. I would think that Crispin Glover's "do-over" scenes (if that happened) showed TONS of improvement. Doc/Biff/George were characters that helped carry that movie.
I rewatched these movies this weekend and I also thought the same, that Marty lost to have grown up in a better upbringing. He just came back and they were all well to do and... he kept the same mindset?? Idk
Jeff Goldblum as a younger Doc could have been interesting in a way, since we could have had Marty not only interact with his parents as teenagers, but the Doc would have been a young adult at the time as well, possibly still in the early stages of his scientific academics and being amazed at what his future self will accomplish, maybe at this point still unsure if he was making the right decisions in his life versus the comparison of a suave, confident 1980s Doc Goldblum.
"Space man from Pluto" hahahaha Whether it's on Reaper's reviews or this channel, I love that clip from the simpsons "oh how convenient". You guys are knocking it out of the park with the quality man, remember me when you hit 500k subs
I don't know what Sid Sheinberg was thinking. Even in the 80's that title would have been box office poison and laughed at. His rationale contradicts itself since he thinks BTTF is too genre, but Spaceman From Pluto isn't. Despite him saying some might say it evokes Sci-Fi movies. I.e. genre. I'm sure to this day people would be saying that movie lied as none of the characters are spacemen.
@@davidjames579 He was clearly not in touch with the modern audience. 'Space man from pluto' sounds like a movie that'd get made in the 50s. Although I guess if Marty's dad writes a book about the space man from pluto (inspired by marty's time machine) then the title makes sense.
As much as Michael J Fox is definitely the perfect fit for the mass hit appeal of the movie, I think what Eric Stoltz was going for might've been incredible to me. I always viewed the role as he did and he really seemed to sell it, and that's with Back to the Future being one of my top 5 movies 😅
He had the right approach to Marty's mindset, only he executed it in the worst way possible and alienated his coworkers which led to his recasting. Now that A.I. is all the rage maybe someone could do the Eric Stolz version.
@@djpegaolate reply but lots of really fantastic actors that have made great films are really annoying to work with. So I don’t think it means the film would have been less good. Probably very different. I’m sooo desperate to see the Soltz version so maybe I’m biased
Wow, Eric Stoltz captures the 80s punk rocker feel better, Michael J. Fox is perfect in the role and we lucked out by getting the the movie we got
Eric is a bad actor
Still, I wouldve loved to see Eric's punk rock version of Marty McFly.
BTTF was perfect, but I liked several of the alternate ideas from 4:44 to 6:18 in this video.
Jon Cryer could have been a good Marty McFly imo.
No MJF was the right choice…
The Eric Stoltz version is an INCREDIBLE example of when a film has the potential, but just needs the right ingredients.
The guy was way to into it, sounds like he should of been fired sooner, pushing your co star to hard and hurting them, is not good.
@@wwerules000im surprised the guy that played Biff was as nice as he was because the way Eric Stoltz nearly broke his collar bone that enough to have a fight break out
Later in that same interview he says he was planning to get some payback on Stolz, but never got the chance as he was fired before they filmed the scene where Biff rips him out of the car.
Glad they hired Michael J. Fox
@@stevereynolds5684 That was an awesome interview! I haven't been able to find it again. Actually hysterical listening to Tom talk about it.
It’s an absolute miracle that Back to Future somehow managed to capture lightning in a bottle considering all the back and forth they had during production
Well, thanks to time travel they knew exactly when and where lighting would strike!
Lame @@MeisterKleisterHeisstEr
if you read enough back stories, you can pretty much say the same about almost every movie ever made, and especially the "successes"...
Reminds me of all the production hell Toy Story 2 went through
I guess it was just a real long storm for them
It’s hard to picture a Back to the Future without Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd.
MY thoughts exactly!! 💯 🤔
try dammit
I know it's cruel to say, but if we had Eric Stoltz instead of Michael J. Fox, we could also have had a very recent sequel that never happened because of Michael J. Fox's health
If it had worked out with Eric, we would never have known how the Michael version would have turned out.
@@matthewmurdock7329no please NO MORE SEQUELS
Another interesting bit of casting was J.J. Cohen, who ended up playing a member of Biff's gang, was the favorite choice of Gale and Zemeckis for Biff himself. They both really loved his presence but ultimately felt he wasn't physically imposing enough against Eric Stoltz. Gale admitted that if Michael J Fox was cast in the first place, Cohen very well might've ended up playing Biff.
Tom Wilson was perfect as “Biff”. A little bit of kismet that made this movie the classic it is.
@@kato64Yup, but Clancy Brown would’ve been a great Biff.
I’ve been saying two things about Eric Stoltz: one, he actually looks like he could be the son of Crispin Glover and/or Leah Thompson and two, his wardrobe looked sooo cool lol
same
Bet anything his version was really good, too!
That's really it?
So he had the look but none of the presence, personality, charisma, energy, or memorability that Michael J. Fox brought
@@bderrick4944 Michael J Fox got the job. Everyone is happy. There’s no need to kick Eric Stoltz in the balls.
I think Eric Stoltz's vision for Marty as a tragic character would've made an interesting premise for the sequel. The tone/genre would've been different, but it's a compelling thought to think of a boy who has knowingly missed out on so much of parents/siblings life.
Without losing BTTF as we have it, I'd love that version to exist. I know Zemeckis and Gale won't allow a remake but I honestly think a serious version could be worthwhile making.
Marty should be like Batman. Every few years a director gets to create a movie based upon their own interpretation of the character
@@EverettBurger And they get darker and grittier with each version lol
Yeah the seriousness of Stoltz would be better suited for a post 2000s developed movie. The 80s just had to much camp.
@Pewskeepsi, it couldn't have happened for the second movie. Marty in this narrative is a reactive character, and (other than the letter, scheme to reunite his parents, and altering the destination by 10 minutes) doesn't often plan ahead.
In fact, the sequel runs with that idea making him extremely impulsive any time someone calls him out.
Marty wouldn't have enough time to stop and consider his life and what he missed out on since he never stops moving to the next situation.
However I agree, yes it would have made for an interesting sequel.
It's weird how Eric is considered a dramatic actor but he was absolutely hilarious as Lance in Pulp Fiction. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
Exactly. As the funny dope dealer he was pretty good in his role.
No, you don’t gotta stab her three times!
Why isn't there any footage of the Stoltz clips?
Eric is very talented
Eric is such a better actor than Fox.
Eric Stoltz ended up playing the lead character in THE FLY II (whose name was Martin - and later turned into a human/fly hybrid), so it looks like Eric ended up playing Marty McFly after all.
I always knew the protag in that film looked a lot like Michael J Fox
true! this was like the heel wrestler Million Dollar Man was supposed to win the WWF title at WM 4 in 1988 instead of Macho Man randy savage! history would have been different had Dibiase won that huge tournament for the vacant world title.
Exactly. Plus Mc and Mac translates to son of. As he plays the son of Seth Brundle. So what a perfect name in the end.
This is one of the greatest comments ever.
The final version we got for Back To The Future is perfect as is
Instead of a reboot or remake I would love to see that darker and serious version of Back To The Future with Stolz. It sounds interesting, but yeah will never be as good as the original.
An alternate universe Back To The Future🤔
Alterante universes have basically become a genre now. However, in the 1980's this would've been a revolutionary plot device. Just as long as the making of the alternate universe
movies didn't negatively effect the originals by splitting up writers, reducing budgets, and a slew of many other things that could damage the original trilogy I'd have been on board.
It might be better. I'd still like to see a version with Stoltz.
Universal would have to pay millions to stoltz for using his image if they release the original version of bttf in its entirety.
@@951oct actually I doubt it. He was paid at the time to be in the film. The footage is owed by Universal.
Lame. Thumbs down. Sounds like you think slasher films are "good"
Eric Stoltz still being in the film for a second is a good trivia question/answer
I think when he punches Biff in the diner although I’ve heard this debunked
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Thomas Wilson has said that it's Eric's hand in the shot. Likely Eric's punches were more (painfully) realistic, and thus good for the shot, based on what Wilson says in this video.
@@BulletsandblockbustersIt's also rumored that the DeLorean driving scenes at the beginning at Twin Pines Mall were also from the Stoltz version with him inside the car. But since you can't really see the driver good enough to discern who it is, they kept those shots in and added the inserts with Michael J. Fox inside.
Thought it was common knowledge and mentioned it the dvds@@Bulletsandblockbusters
In the skateboard scene one of the shoots is of the Stoltz stunt double. The undershirt being worn is the same one Stoltz had on in pics from those scenes, MJF had a different colour undershirt.
I’d love to see some footage of Eric in the role with audio.
Same here
same
The master print is bound to appear one of these days, I'm sure of it
@@djpegao i feel the same, probably for an anniversary. Fingers crossed!
Wow, I thought I knew everything about Back to the Future, but you had some items in the videos that even I had never heard of before! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed!
Ikr, I was about to skip this because I thought I knew all the BTS stuff for BTTF, but I was so wrong. Im loving this channel
Same, there's always something new to learn, makes me love the movies even more than I already did.
Claudia Wells was actually offered the role of Jennifer before Melora Hardin was cast. But, Wells was doing a TV pilot for ABC at the time. ABC wouldn’t allow Claudia to do both the TV pilot and the movie. So, Hardin was then cast as Jennifer. Then, after Eric was fired, the producers went back to Claudia…This story is found in the book “We Don’t Need Roads” by Caseen Gaines
One of the greatest movies of all time. Glad I was able to go to the ride before Universal changed it.
My mom told me she went to that ride in Universal too, as well as others like Jaws, Jurassic Park, Terminator, etc... she was lucky to live back then, with all that music and movies, I wish I could go to Universal Parks.
How and when was it changed? I recall it as a simulator ride. We experienced it in the 90’s if I remember correctly.
@@glennac they changed the ride to the simpson ride
@jesustovar2549 I went in the early 2000s, and they had all of that.
I also got to ride that in the Delorian at Universal Florida in 1992. Great ride
crispin glover is usually the main talk of conversation with anything back to the future, nice to see something different for a change
You guys make absolutely incredible videos. The research you guys must have to do to make it so informative and interesting, the editing to make it so snappy and to the point, and the scripting to make it flow so well must take a lot of effort and we really appreciate it! Keep it up!
Thank you! Really appreciate that.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I thought this video was very good and insightful. Thanks for making it! 👍
Here are a few other video ideas…
1. Pixar’s Newt
2. Godzilla 1994
3. King Kong 1996
4. The many changes made to Pixar’s Inside Out
5. The original version of Beetlejuice
Back to the Future trilogy is very majestic 🌍🌟
Scrapping the futuristic ending also gave them the opportunity to use some of its elements for the sequel where they travel to the future. If the alternate 1985 already had flying cars and similar things, there wouldn't be much left to be futuristic in 2015.
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its also a nice story arc and gives some appeal by bringing us back to a familiar place. it ties the bow nicely. maybe the most perfect movie ever to be made
Back to the Future is the perfect example of changes for the better in film. The Time Machine, the sidekicks, the ending, and the most obvious, Stoltz to Fox. Just imagine a dark and moody Marty, Professor Brown, a monkey, "Space Man from Pluto", and "Nuking the Fridge" being what we got. The Horror.
This movie beat Rambo AND Rocky IV as the top grossing film in the US in 1985. The filmmakers made a great choice. 👍
Jennifer was going to be called Susie
Back to the future is still great to watch even today.
Failure and set backs are a blessing many times. Lloyd and Fox ended up being part of a perfect movie.
They made a reference to Eric Stoltz playing Marty McFly in TH FLASH, as Barry learns that Michael J. Fox is the lead in FOOTLOOSE and Kevin Bacon is Maverick in TOP GUN
Man, I knew a lot of this but there was actually a lot I _didn't_ know as well.
The stars *_really_* aligned to give us the movie we know and love today!
BTTF has been one of my favourite movies of all time it came out when I was 10yrs old and I must of watched it 100s of times since then, there is no way it would be the cultural iconic phenomenon it is if they went down the original route, great video as always I look forward to new content next year and pride myself as a Y1OG of this channel, all the best mate
Agreed and thank you :) same to you!
I don't believe the theory that Eric Stoltz played the character in a way that the director and writer didn't want him to play it. It is pretty obvious if you go through the earlier scripts, that Back to the Future had more of a somber tone Eric was merely playing the role the way according to that creative direction. There is no way that they shot over 90 percent of the movie with an actor that wasn't acting the way that the director and writer that they wanted him to do it. It seems like later on, they made a creative choice to have more of a comedic/light-hearted tone. Considering the opening act of BTTF still has a bit of that depressing tone. This blog post talks about it in detail.
I don't think it was anywhere near 90% filmed. I heard 40% estimated elsewhere.
Not sure why they changed the tone of the movie; or, tweaked it. I think the Stoltz cut -- if it had come out today -- would hold up very well.
For moviegoers who didn't grow up on Michael J. Fox, I wonder how they would react.... The Stoltz/Fox debate could be similar to the Jordan/LeBron debate.
Ironically, myself being a Jordan guy, man, that Stoltz stuff looks really, really, really cool.
@@robgronotte1 no. they shot the whole thing with Stoltz. actor playing Biff said that he was already looking for a new job when they asked him to refilm everything
@@CoolGobyFish it may be thst the scenes with Biff were shot first.
@@robgronotte1 Look at the production photos, Stoltz is in almost all key scenes. It's not that crazy. Exocist 4 was also completely re-filmed after poor test screenings
Really interesting video man it would be cool to see the Eric Stoltz version as it’s said it was more of a serious and darker time travel movie than the comedy we got, very informative video 👍🏻
Thanks!
Fox never recovered from the stress of filming both the movie and the show together. He still shakes to this day from the toll it took on him.
I always imagined that as Marty settled into the new future he would start to remember events from that new future.
Yes! There's an IDW comic covering that very premise, it's from around 2015 (no, really) but I always assumed as Marty integrated into it, he'd then have both sets of memories
Basically, like the movie Frequency
Kind of what happens to the Flash on Flashpoint (comic+animated movie+TV version)
I bought the entire trilogy for Christmas of 2023!
I’m happy to learn more about the movies!
I do think it was intresting of the idea of the dramatic and tragic ending.
Please don’t stop making these videos. You are currently my favorite channel on youtube!
Thanks!
Wow! So much hardwork and chance/luck/serendipity making art that perfect.
Still love B2TF! Love it! Love the franchise as well. MJF was gold. Great actor.
Bob Gale is a very underrated producer. I always loved his film commentary from the first BTF dvd box set released around 2002. One thing he I particular he said was that if they happened to travel into that era (pre-2015) Lou’s cafe would not have been an aerobics gym but more like a Starbucks! Check it out.
Yes but if I were Bob Gale I would have fought Ten Times harder to keep The Original George McFly (Crispin Glover) in Back to the Future 2 and 3 despite their differences. Wold have been much better sequels for sure.
My favourite film of all time, but it's a shame about mjf getting parkinsons 😢 he was just a great actor 👍 great video as always BB keep em coming my friend, love from the uk 🇬🇧
Agreed and thank you
Eric Stolz's Marty had some cool looking clothes.
I am beginning to think that Bob and Bob didn't read their own script. They replaced the Stoltz movie with "ALEX P. KEATON IN SPACE (TIME)!"
Really love how The Flash movie incorporated Eric Stoltz as Marty if this version of Back to the Future was made in a different timeline
That's such a fun reference, I loved it lol
Back to the Future is truly one of the best examples of everything happens for a reason, we thankfully got Michael J Foxx as Marty Mcfly( no offense Eric Stoltz ) and we got the DeLorian which a refrigerator originally WTF 😂
💯 we dodged a bullet
@@Bulletsandblockbusters we dodged a huge shotgun sized bullet lol 🔥💯
Just want to say thanks for making this excellent documentary. The pace, depth, detail, original content and the overall presentation are top notch.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
I just want to say I love this channel. I only found it last year but it's quickly become one of my favorites. Thanks for all the interesting information. Your videos are fascinating
Wow, thank you! Glad you enjoy it!!!
This video is how I really got info about the Eric Stoltz version of BttF. And man, all I can say is: Release the Stoltz Cut.
I fully admit that it’s probably not as good, but I am really intrigued by a version with Marty portrayed with a serious and tragic pathos. It’s so fascinating that Stoltz and the Two Bobs could look at the same story and come to such different interpretations, and I’d love to see a taste of Stoltz’s point of view.
This was one of the greatest trilogies of all time. I didn't get to see any of these films in the theater but when the third film was finally released my family and I saw it at the drive in. To this day I still think back to that night as a memorable movie-going experience.
Trilogy? Nah, the sequels were terrible. They should have stopped with the first one. The first is definitely a top 100 movie of all time.
I want to see Eric Stoltz's version of Back to the Future so bad. It could never replace the original, but in keeping with the spirit of the film, we could imagine it as an "alternate timeline" in which Marty McFly is a bit different -- a glimpse into the BTTF multiverse, if you will. C'mon Bobs, please get to work on releasing it!
(For the record, I never thought Brian Wilson would release the legendary lost Beach Boys album "SMiLE," but nearly forty years after shelving it, he did just that. That brings me hope for this.)
Myself, I'd be a bit afraid of experiencing the same disappointment I felt after watching Disney/Pixar's Lightyear, as in, "I wish I hadn't seen that".
The one change I would of agreed with was George looking at the 1955 newspaper clip of Marty playing Johnny be Good and saying "nah cant be".
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
I am grateful Claudia Wells was cast, but disappointed she couldn't continue, especially for family reasons.
My mother actually preferred Elisabeth Shue, sure Claudia Wells was a beauty, but Shue was more expressive, I wish she had more screentime and a proper excuse to be in the film, guess Zemeckis and Gale didn't know what to do with her, but yeah, imagine if Claudia Wells was in the 2nd movie.
@@jesustovar2549 yeah
Me too. When Elizabeth Shue appeared on the second one I was like...What happened?
Such a rocky road to perfection, loved this vid ❤
(also loved the title anecdote at the end 😂)
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8:34 that’s great that Eric Stoltz saw the film as a tragedy. However while in 1955 Marty just wants to get back to the future while fixing it. He doesn’t know that there will be any changes to the future. He might guess that things could be different but for all he actually knows he was there originally. So the tragedy one happens when Marty returns home and actually figures it out and feels that is was bad that he didn’t live that different life. However, if my drunk mother was no longer a drunk and my waste of a space father was now a famous author and bought me the car I really wanted and I still everything else was just about the same, where is the tragedy?
I saw in another video, were they explained/theorized that in the original timeline, Marty was the only one in the family who had it together. When he gets back to the future, he sees that his family is unrecognizable, and thanks to his intervention, they are more together than he is. He feels alienated by the change. I don't know if that interpretation was from Stoltz directly, but given everything that he has said about how he interpreted the script, it really makes sense
@@scottpomann5353 yeah but that wouldn’t happen until the end of the movie. So why would he act like it was a tragedy before he knew that anything changed or that anything could be changed by any thing he was doing? The tragedy would happen after meeting his "new" family and learning that they are different, which only happens after meeting his mother and father on the morning of October 26 1985. Not in 1955, when the tragedy of realizing Marty not being from the family that he meets at the end of Back to the Future 1 would only happen at the end of Back to the Future 1 and not at any other time so why act like something is a tragedy before it happens? Sure foreshadow it but don’t make it the crux of the character, especially if the director, producers and writers of the movie as well as the other actors in the movie are telling you that you aren’t doing what they want from you. It makes you a bad scene partner and a bad actor. If you have such an uncompromising point of view you’ll get fired. So the ultimate tragedy for Eric Stolz was that he got fired and his career never really recovered.
I think he was voicing an objection to the happy ending which was a little contrived and disappointing for a realist.
A more likely scenario possibly would have been a completely different future maybe even excluding family members. I think Stoltz brought a dose of reality to the part. Possibly to the betterment of everyone.
@@christopherfoote4643 correct! He was taking it very seriously, mostly because he stupidly thought that Marty would feel like he was going to live with a family that had an entirely different life from the one he knew from his life in 1985 even though he had a photo that was erasing his brother but not completely yet and his goal was to prevent that erasure, hoping that nothing would change and after George kissed Loraine he had almost conclusive proof that he succeeded as the photo was restored with no changes.
The sad part is Eric was right the Marty (Marty Prime) that is drove in the Twin Pine Mall (Mall Prime) isn’t the same Marty (Alternate Marty or Marty A) that we see in the end of the moving when Marty Prime runs up to the Lone Pine Mall (Mall A) and watches Marty A go to 1955 where he might do different things and create another alternate 1985 this where Marty A is never born because he fails or it creates an infinite loop of alternate Martys repeating similar events over and over again. However, when all of your producers, director, cast mates and even possibly even the make up and craft services people are telling you things aren’t working try something different, I mean even Eric Stoltz knew it wasn’t working. In the end we got what we got and it is great so whatever dude. It’s all good.
I think the tragedy comes with the fact that Marty didn't live that better life. He would always have the memories of his original worse timeline.
Had no idea about some of these original ideas! I really do like the idea that the future ends up like the Jetsons and retro future sci fi. I never liked the whole rock n roll sub plot as much, as it's kind of a thin joke that rock n roll happens becuase of any one song. Chuck Berry just would've wrote something else, etc... anyway love this movie, great video and great topic
We need to petition for the Eric Stoltz cut! 😂😂😂
yeah
He only shot for 6 weeks. They fired him before they finished so there isn't a full "cut." More like bits and pieces.
@@Draknfyre good enough for me as long as we can see some footage of Stoltz
@@Draknfyre a lot can be shot in 6 weeks, and reports vary as to how much he filmed. Some say he shot up to 95% of marty's parts. Regardless, i want to see all the parts eric filmed.
RELEASE THE STOLTZ CUT!!
@@zyg9*me too*
Do it already universal
You’ll bring in a boatload of $$$
Come on!
I hope that all of the Eric Stoltz footage gets released in 2025 for the movie's 40th anniversary.
Missed opportunity to show a shot of the 2 Bobs from Office Space when you showed the other 2 Bobs
Haha wish I thought of that
I saw this movie so many times as a kid. This was one of the biggest movies of this period.
80's were a different time.
Another perfect synopsis of what could have been. Keep it up brother.
PS> I have to say your videos centered on one movie rather than multiples (like Spielberg’s ET feature) are more effective.
Thanks! I only did the videos on Spielberg and Tarantino because there wasn't enough material to do an entire video about only one of their unmade films.
The refrigerator wouldn’t have gone over nearly as well. Funny how it still seems completely believable to me that a DeLorean could travel through time and I’m 44! Idk, seems legit to me! 🤣👏
We’ve kind of made it happen (combined with the Delorean’s OG engine not being much of a survivor)-RV conversions of DeLoreans are pretty nice
Once again you killed it. Best channel on yt
Thank you!!!
Love to see the Eric Stoltz version of back to the future
I can see Jeff Goldblum as Doc Brown.
It's so true that Back to the future is a perfect movie . Its hard to believe anyone else in those parts . Yes the second one isn't as good but the third one made up for it . That is one franchise I could never see being remade or messed with.
They should release this version, why not...?
Now I'm morbidly curious to see what Jeff Goldblum as Doc Brown would be like
I love this channel because, as a film buff, I feel like I already know everything about these classics... but you always seem to come up with new knowledge that I've not yet been privy to. Like the ending where George is the Heavyweight Champ of The World. That's hysterical! Plus all the BTS footage and photos that are fascinating. Keep these comin'! Cheers and Happy New Year!
Thank you! Thrilled you’re digging the videos. And same to you!
The Chuck Berry scene is always funny 😂
It never even occured to me about Marty's being outside of his own (new) upbringing like that, that's an interesting point and idea
A "Grandmaster"-like Doc Brown though? Fantastic 😂
The one time Studio interference helped a movie it all depends who the studio head Is and there creative choices
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Just rewatched yesterday. So good. As great as people think it is i still think it is underrated. What a perfect movie.
13:09 that is not ironic. The 3 of them being considered for the same role and also appearing together in another film is the opposite of irony.
Back to the Future has always been one of my favorite movies since 1985, but I’d still love to see that Eric Stoltz version out of curiosity.
Lots of interesting questions about how and what relationship Doc and Marty are implied to have might have different answers. There’s a subtext that Lorraine suspects Doc and Marty are romantically involved in the MJF version, for example, I wonder if it’s more or less present in the Eric cut
No you don’t. Trust me, if you saw it you would wish you hadn’t.
@@navyvet05 Possibly but morbid curiosity…
@@The_CGA I don’t see any evidence of that, or Lorraine’s suspicions in the film at all. I’m pretty sure Doc is never mentioned in her presence.
@@SumDumGyI’m from the future. Your curiosity got the best of you and you tracked down the Eric Stoltz version online and paid to see it. You then posted on UA-cam how you wish you hadn’t. Trust me, I’m from the future.
Spielberg worrying about kids getting stuck in refrigerators is wholesome.
That was a common way for kids to die in the 80s while playing hide n go seek.
Coming in to this video as a BTTF nerd, I assumed I wouldn’t learn anything new about the film. Color me shocked as I was unaware that Melora Hardin was the OG Jennifer. Thanks for the new info!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Holy Sh$#. Nice work Sir.
Thanks!
this dudes videos are so high quality his view counts should be way hihjert
Thomas Wilson had me dyin when he spoke 😂😂😂😂
Simply the greatest film and film series ever made. Thankyou for sharing this suoerb video.
Futurepedia has the entire still gallery of Eric Stoltz filmed scenes.
I love Back to the Future! All 3 movies are amazing. Good history review! I got to meet Christopher Loyld himself at a comic convention recently! He’s an awesome guy!
You never disappoint
Thank you
I hope one day we can see this version
6:42 - what's this from?
Huey and the News Power of Love clip
Thanks @@CaioMribeiro95
the original sounds like it can work as its own stand alone movie. In fact, if they ever want to reboot the franchise like they have so many others at least they already have a script that differs from the original
The WORST mistake in History will be when someone reboots a Perfect film. Hell to the No....Only Sequels can be possible made...not reboots. None of these actors can be replaced properly ever. Hubris and Pride might try though.
I am waiting a few more years to watch this with my 4 and 6 year old boys. Can't wait
Christopher Lloyd after reading the script: I AM GOING TO PUT THIS IN THE TRASH! 🤣
At least he didn't rip it up and end up having to tape it back together.
Ive watched all your videos, top tier and always informative and entertaining ... I'd love to see a much longer hour+ deep dive on any of these videos or other ideas
Thanks! I may start a podcast so would go longer doing those episodes
That was the best thing to happen to the 1 of the best trilogies to date all the delays fixed to make it brilliant, another great video 😀
Really wanna see all the Eric Stoltz scenes! Not only because I wanna see how he plays Marty, but also how he plays the role with the other actors. Ever since I heard about the story with Eric Stoltz, I noticed more and more things in the movie like actors have slightly different haircuts or makeup in scenes where MJF is not in the picture. When Marty punches Biff in the Cafe it's the most obvious scene which is cleary not Michael J Fox: The lightning is different and Thomas F. Wilson has for some reason less wrinkles. Also the scenes where Marty wears the Anti-Radiation Suit, he looks taller, now I don't know if that is also Eric Stoltz or if that's his stuntman.
I have noticed some things like that, too. In some scenes, we get a more laid back Doc. Then we get the zany, Jim-From-Taxi version. They spliced two different movies. The Stoltz cut probably holds up very well!
@@markyacoubian1911as a method actor, Eric would have established what relationship Marty has with Doc and may have workshopped it with Lloyd. In contrast MJF is sleep deprived and likely doesn’t have the time to go deep on his character. So Lloyd likely carried that into the reshoots
@@The_CGA Stoltz version would have been a good stand-alone movie. IF they release it on Netflix or something, it would be the BLOCKBUSTER HIT of the summer.... Doc was good -- it feels like some scenes you get "Goofy" Doc as well as Doc 2.0 or something. Some "mash-up" scenes. I would think that Crispin Glover's "do-over" scenes (if that happened) showed TONS of improvement. Doc/Biff/George were characters that helped carry that movie.
well?....
amazing how great Michael j Fox did considering he was probably exhausted the whole time shooting it.
The fridge idea more a rip of a well know time machine call the Tardis Doctor Who.
Love it. Even with how much I already knew, you still find new details!
Glad you enjoyed!
Stoltz is a great actor, would have been interesting to see what may have been, but I think we're all glad we got the film we have
I rewatched these movies this weekend and I also thought the same, that Marty lost to have grown up in a better upbringing. He just came back and they were all well to do and... he kept the same mindset?? Idk
i wish in a couple of years the decided to put all of the stoltz clips together that ways we can see what couldve been bttf but stolzs version
Same
Id love if you did one on the sequels as well of back to the future
Part 2 is coming out next week :)
@@Bulletsandblockbusters nice 👌
Funny stuff :)) Often, I want to see another variant of the same movie, out of curiosity.
Jeff Goldblum as a younger Doc could have been interesting in a way, since we could have had Marty not only interact with his parents as teenagers, but the Doc would have been a young adult at the time as well, possibly still in the early stages of his scientific academics and being amazed at what his future self will accomplish, maybe at this point still unsure if he was making the right decisions in his life versus the comparison of a suave, confident 1980s Doc Goldblum.
Marty we need to go back to the past make the original back to the future
Would be interesting to see
"Space man from Pluto" hahahaha
Whether it's on Reaper's reviews or this channel, I love that clip from the simpsons "oh how convenient".
You guys are knocking it out of the park with the quality man, remember me when you hit 500k subs
We will!!! Thanks!
I don't know what Sid Sheinberg was thinking. Even in the 80's that title would have been box office poison and laughed at. His rationale contradicts itself since he thinks BTTF is too genre, but Spaceman From Pluto isn't. Despite him saying some might say it evokes Sci-Fi movies. I.e. genre. I'm sure to this day people would be saying that movie lied as none of the characters are spacemen.
@@davidjames579 He was clearly not in touch with the modern audience. 'Space man from pluto' sounds like a movie that'd get made in the 50s.
Although I guess if Marty's dad writes a book about the space man from pluto (inspired by marty's time machine) then the title makes sense.
As much as Michael J Fox is definitely the perfect fit for the mass hit appeal of the movie, I think what Eric Stoltz was going for might've been incredible to me. I always viewed the role as he did and he really seemed to sell it, and that's with Back to the Future being one of my top 5 movies 😅
i agree
He had the right approach to Marty's mindset, only he executed it in the worst way possible and alienated his coworkers which led to his recasting. Now that A.I. is all the rage maybe someone could do the Eric Stolz version.
Quite possibly he brought some realism to the part. It probably wasn't an accident they initially cast Eric Stoltz.
@@djpegaoHe might have alienated cast members but it probably made a better movie.
@@djpegaolate reply but lots of really fantastic actors that have made great films are really annoying to work with. So I don’t think it means the film would have been less good. Probably very different. I’m sooo desperate to see the Soltz version so maybe I’m biased
I want to see all this Stoltz footage they got.
I've heard Bob Gale say they won't release all of the Stoltz footage out of respect for Eric Stoltz.
The Fly 2 (1988) also C.Thomas Howell was an apparent possibility for Marty McFly. K.I.D (1990)! (Rare retro flick)