Man, I love the Supers. I have hiked all over there, but it's such a vast area. Ita a hikers haven and camping and backpacking mountain these days. Love the legend and history. There are so many stories. However the Lost Dutchman and his cabin were there in late 1800's, way after the Spanish.
This was fun. Could you do a piece on the Livengood Mine in Alaska? I know it isn't lost, and is still a working mine. But all I've ever heard about it is photographs, and random stories about Jay Livengood, who I named my oldest son after. There isn't a lot of information about the mine.
I have another subscriber asking about old mine in Idaho that I am putting together. I will take a look at this mine you requested and see what I can do. Thank you for watching. I really appreciate it. Remember new video everyday Saturday.
The movie is complete horse-shit. Almost everything is made up. The only "clue" that in truth exists is a large hole in the top of Palomino Mountain. You can find it on the internet as "Aylor's Arch" (named after lifelong Dutch Hunter Chuck Aylor that had a permanent camp under it (with his wife Peg) until they moved out of the mountains). In the Fall, you can stand in several areas on the West Side of Blacktop Mesa, and see the moon through the arch. But there's nothing hidden in any of those areas. There are other aspects of the movie that are true, but Julia Thomas was a medium-skinned black woman (I believe Octaroon is the term) that spoke fluent German after working for a German Family for many years. This was why Waltz liked her so much. If you really like the story, you should pick up an old book from 1953 by Sims Ely "The Lost Dutchman Mine"
I dont believe the stories i read, that say the Lost Dutchman mine has been found. My Grandfather grew up on a ranch that his pioneer parents founded. It was outside of Prescott , Arizona. It had many small mines on the property. I did some work in them when i spent my summers there as a teenager. Alway been interested in old mines and ghost towns. I like your stories.
I've read dozen of different stories about the Lost Dutchman and I am no further ahead in coming to grips to what is true and what isn't. Thanks for watching. I appreciate it!
I think you repeated the massacre twice. There was one in the late 1840s with supposedly one survivor. But I don’t think there were any in the 1860s since the Arizona territory was under US control. Any large body of men coming up from Mexico at that time would have been seen as an act of war since settlers were already moving into the area by that time. Furthermore, history records no such event.
Thank you for watching. I have almost 100 videos and every story I have researched will have anywhere from a couple to dozens of different versions, especially stories like this where there was no actual mine or town. Everything from names to dates to the number of men to questions as to why everyone was killed but one. In this particular video there are versions that state that never was a dutch man as other versions claim. There is a version that states it was US soldiers were killed. I read a few dozen men dies and I also read hundreds of men died. What I do is take a mix of all the stories and and try my best to put it in a video. That is why I have a disclaimer on on the channel home page that states names, dates, facts and figures can be wrong. All I can tell you with 100% certainty is that I wasn't there to witness any of this first hand. Thanks for commenting and for watching.
The conquistadors never entered the Superstitions. They traveled up the Verde River. Fr.Kino and the Jesuits never entered the Superstitions. Fr. Kino's reason for being in Arizona wasn't gold. He was trying to establish a land route to the Jesuit missions in Baja California from Sonora, Mexico. There were Mexican miners in the Superstitions, but they weren't a family named 'Peralta.' That was an invention of James Addison Reavis in his 'Baron of Arizona' scam that many years later was applied to the LDM by a newspaper man named PC Bicknell. The facts are: Mexican miners discovered a rich vein of gold in the Superstitions and were subsequently killed and ran off by the Apaches. An old man died in Phoenix in 1891, and 40 lbs of rich gold ore was found in a candle box under his bed. There are a few other instances of rich gold ore being found in the Superstitions. Most of the rest of the stories you hear were invented by authors to sell newspapers and books.
@@LuckyBaldwin777 You know "never" is a strong word unless you were actually there for hundreds of years watching over the Superstition Mountains making sure no Spanish explorers ever made their way into them? What we have are legends and while most legends are stories that have gone through multiple tellings over time there is usually some basis of fact. When it comes to the story of Jacob Waltz we unfortunately have few facts but plenty of stories. We do however know he was a real person who came from Germany and eventually made his way to the Arizona territory. We know he homestead in what is now downtown Phoenix. Where he built an Adobe home, had a few chickens and a garden. We also know he made friends with Julia Thomas and Rinehart Petrasch. We know that Jacob gave Julia money to help pay some of her debt and expenses for running her confectionary business in gold ore. There are more facts we know but this is enough to establish identity and that Jacob had in his possession gold ore. We also know about the candle box under the bed with the 40 lbs of gold ore the Richard (Dick) Holmes ended up with. So where did this gold ore come from? Most legends (stories) claim that Jacob got it from a mine somewhere in the Superstitions. Is this the truth? I can't honestly say for certain, but since I wasn't there I can only go on what I have personally read and researched. The thing is Jacob Waltz is real and his gold is real. He got it from somewhere. I choose to believe he got it from the Superstitions, from a mine or prospect previously worked by someone before he came up on it. Who those someones actually were we only have legends and tales. I choose to believe that it could have been found by some of the numerous expeditions of Spanish explorers that made north into what would become the Southwest of United States. They did find gold and silver. And perhaps they were the source of information that ultimately led Jacob Waltz into the Superstitions to become a legend himself.
Man, I love the Supers. I have hiked all over there, but it's such a vast area. Ita a hikers haven and camping and backpacking mountain these days. Love the legend and history. There are so many stories. However the Lost Dutchman and his cabin were there in late 1800's, way after the Spanish.
Thank you for watching and the commenting. I appreciate it.
This was fun. Could you do a piece on the Livengood Mine in Alaska? I know it isn't lost, and is still a working mine. But all I've ever heard about it is photographs, and random stories about Jay Livengood, who I named my oldest son after. There isn't a lot of information about the mine.
I have another subscriber asking about old mine in Idaho that I am putting together. I will take a look at this mine you requested and see what I can do. Thank you for watching. I really appreciate it. Remember new video everyday Saturday.
The legend lives on!
World famous. Thanks for watching.
Somebody who can decipher spanish signs should watch old movie Lust for Gold with glenn ford. They show interesting peralta? map.
That's a great idea. Thanks for commenting and thank you for watching.
The movie is complete horse-shit. Almost everything is made up. The only "clue" that in truth exists is a large hole in the top of Palomino Mountain. You can find it on the internet as "Aylor's Arch" (named after lifelong Dutch Hunter Chuck Aylor that had a permanent camp under it (with his wife Peg) until they moved out of the mountains). In the Fall, you can stand in several areas on the West Side of Blacktop Mesa, and see the moon through the arch. But there's nothing hidden in any of those areas. There are other aspects of the movie that are true, but Julia Thomas was a medium-skinned black woman (I believe Octaroon is the term) that spoke fluent German after working for a German Family for many years. This was why Waltz liked her so much. If you really like the story, you should pick up an old book from 1953 by Sims Ely "The Lost Dutchman Mine"
I dont believe the stories i read, that say the Lost Dutchman mine has been found. My
Grandfather grew up on a ranch that his pioneer parents founded. It was outside of Prescott , Arizona. It had many small mines on the property. I did some work in them when i spent my summers there as a teenager. Alway been interested in old mines and ghost towns. I like your stories.
I've read dozen of different stories about the Lost Dutchman and I am no further ahead in coming to grips to what is true and what isn't. Thanks for watching. I appreciate it!
Beautifull places
I love that area and history. Thanks for watching.
Wake up and See Mountains almost everyday...
Nice. Thanks for watching.
Should be renamed certain death mountains.
Lot of stories about different folks dying there.Thanks for watching!
Superstition mountains look like a strawberry cake during the morning and night, during the day it looks like a chocolate cake 🍰.
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It’s a lie he found all that gold in Spanish cache
That's good to know. Thanks for watching
I think you repeated the massacre twice. There was one in the late 1840s with supposedly one survivor. But I don’t think there were any in the 1860s since the Arizona territory was under US control. Any large body of men coming up from Mexico at that time would have been seen as an act of war since settlers were already moving into the area by that time. Furthermore, history records no such event.
Thank you for watching. I have almost 100 videos and every story I have researched will have anywhere from a couple to dozens of different versions, especially stories like this where there was no actual mine or town.
Everything from names to dates to the number of men to questions as to why everyone was killed but one. In this particular video there are versions that state that never was a dutch man as other versions claim. There is a version that states it was US soldiers were killed. I read a few dozen men dies and I also read hundreds of men died.
What I do is take a mix of all the stories and and try my best to put it in a video. That is why I have a disclaimer on on the channel home page that states names, dates, facts and figures can be wrong. All I can tell you with 100% certainty is that I wasn't there to witness any of this first hand.
Thanks for commenting and for watching.
Lots of empty land
The conquistadors never entered the Superstitions. They traveled up the Verde River. Fr.Kino and the Jesuits never entered the Superstitions. Fr. Kino's reason for being in Arizona wasn't gold. He was trying to establish a land route to the Jesuit missions in Baja California from Sonora, Mexico. There were Mexican miners in the Superstitions, but they weren't a family named 'Peralta.' That was an invention of James Addison Reavis in his 'Baron of Arizona' scam that many years later was applied to the LDM by a newspaper man named PC Bicknell.
The facts are: Mexican miners discovered a rich vein of gold in the Superstitions and were subsequently killed and ran off by the Apaches. An old man died in Phoenix in 1891, and 40 lbs of rich gold ore was found in a candle box under his bed. There are a few other instances of rich gold ore being found in the Superstitions. Most of the rest of the stories you hear were invented by authors to sell newspapers and books.
@@LuckyBaldwin777Thank you for this amazing bit of information
@@LuckyBaldwin777 You know "never" is a strong word unless you were actually there for hundreds of years watching over the Superstition Mountains making sure no Spanish explorers ever made their way into them?
What we have are legends and while most legends are stories that have gone through multiple tellings over time there is usually some basis of fact.
When it comes to the story of Jacob Waltz we unfortunately have few facts but plenty of stories. We do however know he was a real person who came from Germany and eventually made his way to the Arizona territory. We know he homestead in what is now downtown Phoenix. Where he built an Adobe home, had a few chickens and a garden. We also know he made friends with Julia Thomas and Rinehart Petrasch. We know that Jacob gave Julia money to help pay some of her debt and expenses for running her confectionary business in gold ore.
There are more facts we know but this is enough to establish identity and that Jacob had in his possession gold ore. We also know about the candle box under the bed with the 40 lbs of gold ore the Richard (Dick) Holmes ended up with.
So where did this gold ore come from? Most legends (stories) claim that Jacob got it from a mine somewhere in the Superstitions. Is this the truth? I can't honestly say for certain, but since I wasn't there I can only go on what I have personally read and researched.
The thing is Jacob Waltz is real and his gold is real. He got it from somewhere. I choose to believe he got it from the Superstitions, from a mine or prospect previously worked by someone before he came up on it. Who those someones actually were we only have legends and tales. I choose to believe that it could have been found by some of the numerous expeditions of Spanish explorers that made north into what would become the Southwest of United States. They did find gold and silver. And perhaps they were the source of information that ultimately led Jacob Waltz into the Superstitions to become a legend himself.
why couldnt the apache make an arrangement or a trade, the peraltas werent disturbing the apache in any way or using violence
I have read different stories saying that the Apache didn't like anyone in their territory and they always seemed eager to fight. Thanks for watching.