Is there evidence for Jesus outside the Bible? | Peter Williams at UChicago
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Is there any evidence for audible sound recording
Not here, it seems
@Sean Baca hmmm..I was referring to the sound quality of the video. But I am interested in your comment about rocks recording volcanoes. Will look it up.
@Sean Baca Cool. Thanks
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!
Strikingly, there was never any debate in the ancient world about whether Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. In the earliest literature of the Jewish Rabbis, Jesus was denounced as the illegitimate child of Mary and a sorcerer. Among pagans, the satirist Lucian and philosopher Celsus dismissed Jesus as a scoundrel, but we know of no one in the ancient world who questioned whether Jesus lived.
There was no need to consider the question of Jesus's existence because what was claimed by the Christians was obviously fraudulent. As Hierocles later said, the Christians were subject to an easy and wreckless credulity.
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We do not have all the material that criticised Christians. Perhaps two thirds of Celsus and less of Porphyry. The Church made sure that all hard criticism was suppressed or destroyed.
Lucian was not born until 125 years after Jesus . Celsus was not born until 175 years after. it is like you being born now and with no internet ,no library no video recordings, no written recorded accounts and nothing but word of mouth writing about what happened to a person born 125 years agoin 1897. It took over 379 after the birth of Jesus ( and that birth is not correct either) before Christianity thrived.
In 379 Emperor Theodosius became Roman Emperor. On 27 February 380, together with Gratian and Valentinian II, Theodosius issued the decree "Cunctos populos", the so-called Edict of Thessalonica, recorded in the Codex Theodosianus xvi.1.2. This declared the Nicene Trinitarian Christianity to be the only legitimate imperial religion and the only one entitled to call itself Catholic. He also ended official state support for the traditional polytheist religions and customs. Catholicism was now the official religion. In 393, he banned the pagan rituals of the Olympics in Ancient Greece. Christianity was now state sponsored and promoted throughout the vastness of the Roman empire.
That is NO WHERE NEAR what you stated "never any debate"
The catholic church were in total control for centuries so anything they didn't like would be expunged.
It is painful trying to understand what he is saying.
Especially when you don’t want to understand
@Mike Diciero - If I didn't want to understand, I wouldn't be here.
Manfred Knight No, you didn’t come here for the video, you came here for the comments section only.
@Mike Diciero - Glad you're so intuitive as to read minds and intentions.
Manfred Knight it’s not about reading minds, it’s your common cliche comment that I’ve seen so many times before.
"Is there evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?"
A better question would be "Is there evidence for any of the miracles the Bible says happened, including the resurrection?"
That would be a no ;)
Try learning Hebrew and actually reading. Abundance of proof. Also plenty of English texts to choose from. You are very uneducated.
LOL I love how you just assume people are as ignorant as you because they claim there is no evidence for a god or in fact jesus outside of the bible which isn't actually evidence but a claim, wonderful - nothing in the bible is evidence of anything it is a CLAIM and it is a claim that has no supporting evidence - instead of actually presenting clear verifiable evidence you attack others instead, how very christian of you
Coffee Lover "Try learning Hebrew and actually reading."
Why? Do claims of miracles require no evidence if they are written in Hebrew?
"Abundance of proof."
This is claimed very often... but for some reason the people making the claim ( such as you) never present any of the "abundance of evidence".
"Also plenty of English texts to choose from."
Again, it makes no difference what language a claim for a miracle is written in if the claim cannot be proven or supported by evidence.
"You are very uneducated."
You forgot to present evidence for any of the miracles the Bible says happened, including the resurrection.
I don't argue with dogs. My Bible calls you that. So, be gone, pest.
“For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
God is the one who opens eyes and hearts to the Truth. No mortal man can convince anyone of the Truth.
amen
That is quite true. Even God allows hearts to be heartened in the face of great miracles. which is why so few embrace the traditional Catholic faith outside which no man will be saved
I’m convinced that many people in different denominations have a true saving faith. Christ is the foundational essence of the gospel, not man or his efforts. I find a great peace in God’s complete sovereignty. If not I would be doomed. Praise Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith.
@@MichaelDiSalvoSATandACTTutor I'm not catholic, and I know the mystery of Christ. Ephesians 3:4+5. Those who follow man and not God will bake in the lake. Jeremiah 17:5.
A good tree cannot produce evil fruit, a currupt tree cannot produce good fruit.
Does Catholicism produce pedophiles? Why can't they recognize the pedophiles? Malachi 3:18? We discern spirits by the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
You are not immune to Matthew 24:24, and saying that only catholics will be saved qualifies you for Titus 3:10+11. You are a heretic.
@@williamblake827 praise God, thank you Jesus. It baffles me that the people who put Jesus first cannot get past Matthew 4:10.
Or Revelation 19:10.
If emotion were kept out of arguments, no one would be commenting here.
@Terncote sounds like an emotional opinion.
@Terncote the people ignoring the laws of nature aren't the Christians. Makes no difference how much he gets paid, making yourself your own God will ruin you in this life before you ever get to the next. This is the proclamation of the Hebrews who realized a God outside themself meant submission was the only rational and reasonable, humane method to perpetuate any possible culture without mass casualties and mass moral evil. We can experientially look at cultures who ignore these truths and see the evident and obvious logical conclusion they come to. To ignore this lesson and the truth the "myth" of Jesus came to address is abhorrently dangerous on an incredibly broad human scale.
The human error of arrogance is thankfully conquered finally without emotional anger toward another human but with rejoicing and with communion. A Christian who balks to see others fall to the mistake of pride do not recognize their own previous stumbling and would likely appear to be a Christian newly walking toward the hope of glory in Christ Jesus, by faith justified through grace, not a perfected humanity like unto Christ who told his followers to turn the other cheek, go two miles with the man who orders you to go with him one and ultimately forgave even those who staked him to a cross and rose him up on calvary, giving his life for his brothers and sisters of his Kingdom. I'm not entirely believing the incentive is always fear but possible the polar opposite. Sometimes I believe it is compassion for the well being and for the spiritual regeneration of others
Terncote Christianity isn’t poisoning the world, intolerant people like you who make dishonest claims because you can’t fathom people that have a different viewpoint as you, that’s who is poisoning the world. There remains a gargantuan amount of history and validity that supports God as the one true God, with far more reason to believe than any other god that’s ever been worshipped or mentioned, and the Bible with its great validity that proves as such to be nothing less than a history book far more so than the Quran, the Torah and any other religious text that’s ever been written or read. Because we have 5000+ ancient manuscripts of the Bible, we have a great deal of evidence that the contents of each book of the Bible have been preserved and that the Bible has not been changed to make up for prophecy. The ancient manuscripts date all the way back to 250 BC and verify with the modern Christian Bible. The oldest of these manuscripts are the Dead Sea Scrolls. Muslims and some skeptics claim that the Bible has been changed or corrupted but secular historians have verified that the contents of each specific book have been preserved. Since the Christian Bible has not been changed and it has also told the future time and time again, we have evidence that the Bible is inspired by God. We find testimonies of atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. claiming they died, went to hell and came back because Jesus saved them. There are countless testimonies just on UA-cam alone and the people that ventured into the afterlife describe the Christian concept of life after death. If NDE’s were open to interpretation, we would find testimonies of people saying that when they died, they met Allah or Muhammad or Buddha. But since we only find testimonies of people saying they were saved from hell by Jesus, we have additional evidence that Christianity is the truth. When Muslims die, they don’t hallucinate about Allah and when Hindus die, they don’t hallucinate about reincarnation. What we see is the truth of Christianity being preached by those that died and came back. Besides the countless testimonies we have of near death experiences, we also have scientific research and evidence that verifies the existence of the afterlife. It is a historical fact that Jesus did exist, with 99-100% of scholars and historians relevant to the field acknowledging it. We have greater evidence for Jesus for Jesus' existence than we have for Alexander the Great, Tiberius Caesar and many other ancient historical figures. Altogether we have at least 42 authors that concern Jesus within the first 150 years of His life - which is absolutely incredible for ancient historical standards. We also have no early texts whatsoever that claim He didn't exist (If memory serves, such claims only surfaced in the 17th century...). Furthermore, I could run through the ontological, teleological arguments or the arguments from morality, history, the life death Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the eyewitness testimony to that, the myriads of intellectual genius's from Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Faraday, Pascal, Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard , Aquinas, Augustine etc. etc, who all believed in God and took the question to places the average man will never get to much less even understand in this life and still found it better to believe than not. But I would only mention those to show an intellectual defense of the Christian faith that I find satisfies the questions, but I don't think I or anyone else in this life will ever have perfect concrete knowing in this life, that's why the concept of faith rings true to me. God is a properly basic belief like the belief in the external world around us. God is self evident, like all men created equal is self evident. And at the end of the day the Christian story is the greatest story ever told. There is no better explanation for the big questions in life. There is great reason to believe in God, the father of Christ, and the word of the Bible as it has continuously proven through history to be an historical, nonfictional text, and yes there is also a great deal of evidence. For example, the bit that's discussed in these videos:
Archaeological Evidence proving the Bible true
ua-cam.com/video/TPLiKDciPi8/v-deo.html
How we know Jesus and the Early Church Existed
ua-cam.com/video/vQKxoBpV2NE/v-deo.html
Historical evidence for resurrection of Christ
ua-cam.com/video/A0iDNLxmWVM/v-deo.html
To add to those informative videos, I have a document with various sources, documents, and articles that take care of many of the claims and concerns from skeptics, and prove even further validity and evidence.
Resources for the skeptic : docs.google.com/document/d/1ZdtCKC2mUaKxL0_1Zf5BMO-un5ccKnad_JeLxXE3mIw/edit
As I’ve given just a taste of, the problem that atheists are faced with isn’t even close to a lack of evidence or history when acknowledging or researching Christianity. The problem that you and many other atheists have is the strong and stubborn refusal and opposition to believe in something greater than yourselves, and that great desire not to believe very often overpowers the atheist’s openness and willingness to take in, acknowledge with an open mind and heart, the very existent evidence and validity that is very much stacked against them and their often arrogant position and condescension towards Christians and religion as a whole.
Terncote Archaeological Evidence proving the Bible true
ua-cam.com/video/TPLiKDciPi8/v-deo.html
How we know Jesus and the Early Church Existed
ua-cam.com/video/vQKxoBpV2NE/v-deo.html
Historical evidence for resurrection of Christ
ua-cam.com/video/A0iDNLxmWVM/v-deo.html
To add to those informative videos, I have a document with various sources, documents, and articles that take care of many of the claims and concerns from skeptics, and prove even further validity and evidence.
Resources for the skeptic : docs.google.com/document/d/1ZdtCKC2mUaKxL0_1Zf5BMO-un5ccKnad_JeLxXE3mIw/edit
As I’ve given just a taste of, the problem that atheists are faced with isn’t even close to a lack of evidence or history when acknowledging or researching Christianity. The problem that you and many other atheists have is the strong and stubborn refusal and opposition to believe in something greater than yourselves, and that great desire not to believe very often overpowers the atheist’s openness and willingness to take in, acknowledge with an open mind and heart, the very existent evidence and validity that is very much stacked against them and their often arrogant position and condescension towards Christians and religion as a whole.
Terncote No it’s not reality, it’s a baseless claim, and you’ve made many towards me, rather than addressing the sources I’ve given. Your false claims of what you perceive as “bullshit” or your false claims of describing “Yahweh”, none of it means anything because you’ve shown too much of a cowardice to give the valid information and sources I’ve given their due diligence.
I like how people say 20-40 years references to him existing aren't reliable because they were too far after his death. Especially when alexander the great's earliest reference we base our knowledge on was 300 years after his death. Oh and the actual Cesar that was in charge during jesus's death, yeah earliest reference on him was 80 years after his death, and that is considered unreliable by scholars. We only have i believe 5 references on Cesar, the greatest Cesar of rome, that we base our knowledge on, pretty incredible that a carpenter whos been said by scholars to no doubt have a 1st rate philosophical and ethical mind who's entire career lasted a grand total of 3 years has basically the same amount of books written about him in less than century of his life, and that they would go on to be the most widely studied and scrutinized texts in history. In history, 2 sources mean it is considered to have undoubtably happened. There are 11 different sources that historians (secular and non secular) have deemed reliable. I find it hard to believe people don't want to believe in him so bad. The whole "he never existed" argument is dead. Doesn't matter if you believe he's the messiah or not, pointless to argue
Yeah, you're right, haha ;) Unlike Jesus, however, the existence of Alexander, Julius Caesar, Nero, Caligula, Augustus, Sheakespear, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Feynman, or anyone else, has zero impact on the historical understanding/knowledge/progress. They're just "labels", for the text "someone" left behind him/her! The existance of Jesus however, is of a settling importance. If he didn't exist, than christianity is nothing but a void falsehood.
Bryson Perry
It's been 3 years. Hopefully you are no longer brainwashed.
Fred Munoz false
Fred munoz HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA YOU WRONG GIVE MEEEEEEEEEE PROOF OF THAT? GONNA DESTROY YOU.
Charlito Mani
Say those who are deceived by Satan...
Common atheist fallacy; to immediately ignore evidence of the Bible and attack the person.
I once spent a very agreeable evening in a night club in Mexico City called the Bible - and the bouncer working the door was called Jesus. So there ya go - evidence for Jesus outside the Bible. Can I have my Pulitzer now?
Hes on facebook so he must be real
dannyt partyboy that’s not funny
@@calebtaylor8816 You're right that it isn't funny. Its actually quite hilarious.
You funny
Your on Facebook, But when God blots you out, Will YOU have ever existed? That's the real question.
Meta IV that’s deep
He raised the dead, he did many wonderful things and there is no record by the Romans about this. None!
Exactly.
Mister Berzins Who cares about the Romans or anything else. It's all an illusion in truth! Jesus I would argue is within, like the Kingdom of Heaven is and everything else.
Romans wrote about Romans. Emperors and generals were they’re topic of choice, not an itinerant Jewish street preacher.
There are no preserved records of Hannibal either written during his lifetime, and he just kind of sacked Rome. Not a big deal.
@@alphaomega6497 Not true. Tacitus mentioned Christianity, and the Jewish region was under control of the Roman Empire, it would have been of major significance. Jesus had thousands of followers too.
Love seeing my Atheists friends coming to another Jesus channel. God bless!
Just here for the laughs.
Just because you believe in Jesus doesn't mean you read the Bible with the correct religion. Got you thinking now
Laura Clarke hello, I’m not religious. Jesus did all for me at the cross. Through him and him only as he claimed is eternal life. The greatest event in human history.
@@onestepaway3232 even worse don't know where you're in the world with Christ and what he asked us to do in our life time.
@@onestepaway3232 the greatest make believe story ever told 😂😂😂
There really is evidence for Jesus outside the Bible.
I've noted some evidence:
Tacitus - or more formally, Caius/Gaius (or Publius) Cornelius Tacitus (55/56-c 118 A.D.) - was a Roman senator, orator and ethnographer, and perhaps the best of Roman historians. His name is based on the Latin word tacitus, "silent".
An argument for the authenticity of the following quote is that it is written in Latin by his hand.
Tacitus' last major work, titled "Annals", written c. 116-117 A.D.., contains a biography of Nero.
In 64 AC., during a fire in Rome, Nero was suspected of being the mastermind behind the big fire in the part of the city where he wanted to carry out a building project. So he tried to shift the blame on the Christians. This was the reason for Tacitus to name the Christians, which he despised. This is what he wrote - the following excerpt has been translated from Latin by Robert Van Voorst:
"Neither human effort, nor the generosity of the emperor, nor the appeasement of the gods, ended the scandalous belief that the fire was ordered [by Nero]. Therefore, to quell the commotion, he identified as perpetrators those who were hated for their shameful practices ... whom the crowd called 'Christians', and punished them in the most unusual way. The founder of this name, Christ, was executed during the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate ... Oppressed for a time, the deadly superstition once again erupted, not only in Judea, the origin of evil, but also in the city [Rome], where all the terrible and shameful things from everywhere come together and become popular."
Tacitus' concise statement about "Christ" clearly confirms the New Testament about certain historical details of Jesus' death. Tacitus presents us with 3 facts about Jesus:
(1) Christ, used by Tacitus to refer to Jesus, was a distinctive way some people referred to him. However, Tacitus wrongly used Christ as the personal name of Jesus rather than as a title or epithet.
(2) Jesus was executed by the Roman governor of Judea.
(3) The moment of Jesus' death was during the governorship of Pontius Pilate, during the reign of Tiberius.
Tacitus was certainly one of the best historians, perhaps the best of all. As a historian he never gave in to careless writing.
Earlier in his career, when he was proconsul of Asia, he probably overlooked trials, interrogated people accused of being Christians, and judged and punished those found guilty. We can assume that Tacitus will always have checked his information before accepting it as the truth.
Another strong indication that speaks directly of Jesus as a real person comes from Josephus, a Jewish priest who grew up as an aristocrat in first-century Palestine and eventually ended up in Rome, supported by the patronage of three successive emperors. In the early days of the first Jewish revolt against Rome ( 66-70 A.D. ), Josephus was a commander in Galilee. But soon he became a prisoner of war.
He predicted that his victor, the Roman commander Vespasianus, would become emperor, and when this really happened, Vespasianus liberated him. He even adopted the name Flavius, after the surname of his patron, the emperor Vespasianus, and put it before his birth name, as in true Roman style, Flavius Josephus. Most Jews saw him as a despicable traitor. It was on the orders of Vespasian's son Titus that the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and set fire to the Temple. The image of the spoils of war they took is still depicted today on the triumphal arch of Titus in Rome.
In his two great works, The Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities, both written in Greek for educated people, Josephus tried to appeal to aristocrats in the Roman world. He tried to apply Judaism to them as a religion to be admired for its moral and philosophical depth.
In his book, Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus twice.
A fragment of this:
"Being therefore this kind of person [i.e. a heartless Sadducee], Ananus, thinking that he had a favorable opportunity because Festus died and Albinus was still on his way, convened a meeting [literally "sanhedrin"] of judges and brought forward the brother of Jesus-the-one-who-is-called-Messiah, James by his name, and some others. He made the accusation that they had broken the law and handed them over to be stoned to death".
James is mentioned only briefly in Josephus' long account. The only reason for the reference to James was because his death led to the loss of Ananus' position as high priest. James was a common name at the time. Many men called James are mentioned in Josephus' works, so Josephus had to specify which James he was talking about. The general practice of simply naming the father's name ( James, son of Joseph ), would not suffice here because Joseph was also a common name at the time. That is why Joseph identified James as the brother of the well-known Jesus ( Yehoshua ). Because Yehoshua was also a common name at the time ( Josephus names 12 other men in his works who are also called Yehoshua ), Josephus also had to specify which Jesus he spoke about. Therefore he added the sentence "the one called Messiah".
This brief identification of Jesus, merely to show which James Josephus spoke about, gains credibility with regard to the existence of Jesus because the passage itself is not about Jesus. This name appears only in a functional sense and can only be useful to identify James if the name refers to a real person, namely, "Jesus who is called Messiah".
To end we also have Suetionius.
Suetonius was born around 70 A.D. as the son of Laetus in the equites, a social class, directly under the senators, comparable to medieval knights.
The young Suetonius was educated in law and served under Pliny the Younger when he was governor of Bithynia. A number of letters from Pliny show that he was highly esteemed by Pliny as a scholar (scholastic) and friend. Pliny and Septicius Clarus, prefect of the Praetorian Guard, recommended him to Emperor Trajan who appointed him librarian/archivist. Under Emperor Hadrian he was head of the Imperial Secretariat for several years.
Suetonius speaks in his work "The lives of twelve emperors" (The divine Claudius, H.25, § 4) about the decree of expulsion by the emperor in the year 49 against the Jews of Rome:
"Claudius expelled from Rome the Jews who, uprooted by a certain Chrestus, rebelled constantly." (XXV,4).
This text confirms what the Acts of the Apostles say (Acts 18:2):
"When he arrived at Corinth in 50, Paul found there a Jew named Aquila, who arrived from Italy with his wife Priscilla, as a result of an edict of Claudius ordering all Jews to leave Rome.
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As far as we know, no ancient person has questioned the existence of Jesus. Even pagans, the Jews, the Rabbis who had turned against Jesus, did not deny the existence of Jesus. The Rabbi's claimed that Jesus' birth was illegal, that he performed miracles through black magic, and that he provoked apostasy.
So I think it is safe to conclude that Jesus really existed 😊
Jw.org
@Mr Scratch those who seek shall find. God's word, the Bible, is the truth! Watch on youtube the research that has been done so far:
1. Miracles at the Crucifixion of Christ by Genesis Apologetics.
2. Ancient Chinese records on Jesus by gtasoul.
3. Noah's Ark Found? The Ron Wyatt Story by Discovered Media.
4. God in Ancient China by Scott Sacker.
5. Dinosaurs and the Bible with Bryan Osborne by Answers in Genesis.
All on youtube.
@Mr Scratch Psalms 14:1, "Only a fool says in their heart there is no God". Be careful who you point fingers to, the rest are pointing right back at yourself. The historian Flavius Josephus did. St. Paul , Pliny and Tacitus, among many others.
Taken from Amazing facts website,
The Bible says, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16).
Answer: One of the greatest miracles of the Bible is its unity. Just ponder these amazing facts:
The 66 books of the Bible were written:
On three continents.
In three languages.
By about 40 different people (such as kings, shepherds, scientists, attorneys, an army general, fishermen, priests, and a physician)
Over a period of about 1,500 years
On the most controversial subjects
By people who, in most cases, had never met
By authors whose education and background varied greatly
Yet, though it seems totally inconceivable, the 66 books maintain harmony with one another. And even when new concepts on a certain subject are expressed, they do not undermine what other Bible writers say on the same subject.
This is almost too amazing to believe! Ask people who have viewed the same event to give a report of what happened and you’ll discover that their stories will often differ widely and will contradict each other in some way. Yet the Bible, penned by 40 writers over a 1,500-year period, reads as if it was written by one mind. And indeed it was: “Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21). The Holy Spirit “moved” them all; He is the real Bible author.
Read for more clarity: www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4875/t/is-there-anything-left-you-can-trust-
Also watch the videos posted earlier, people in far east regions of the world (China) knew about the birth of the Messiah, Savior of the entire Universe, Jesus Christ. He is the only TRUTH in a world of lies.
@Mr Scratch Jesus is the only truth. Paul was alive during the time of Jesus though he was Saul at the time and was involved in persecuting Christians until He came to know Jesus. When someone comes to Christ, they are transformed into a new creature. The former ways are gone. They become sane, whole, more loving, kind, joyous, peaceful, patient, good, faithful and have self control.
All the other religions are the works of your father the devil/👿 😂😂😂😂 Satan and his brigade of fallen angels/demons posed as gods to all ancient civilizations all over the world from the time of Babylon, Egypt, Greek, Norse, Gaelic, Aztec, Mayan, Hindi, Buddhist, Native American, Alaskan, Native Hawaiian, etc...and sadly many took the bait. Those who do NOT know how to differentiate between God's truth and the devils lies will fall for anything. You quoting from Hollywood proves my point.😂😂😂😂 Sadly many like yourself will be lost forever if you stay in your ways.
God is so amazing He gives everyone the freedom of choice to choose Him or another/the devil. Those are the only options humanity has. Those who don't want to be with God, He will lovingly let go. Heaven would probably be very torturous for those souls anyway. That is how much God loves us. That is how much God loves you despite your arrogance. He has given everyone free will to choose this day who you will serve. You can see what is happening in our world. Life is NOT guaranteed to anyone. You are here one day and gone the next. Your memory won't even exist after you're gone. While you still have breath in your lungs, humble yourself before Jesus and seek Him. It is NOT enough to just know about Him. One day very soon every knee will bow down to Jesus Christ and proclaim Him as Lord. He is the name above all names, prince of peace, mighty God, the King of all Kings, Lord of All Lords, righteous, rightful, Just God, and savior of the world. 👑❤
Good day
@Mr Scratch God does NOT murder. God's love is pure and unconditional. He is the author of all life. He is sovereign. He has the right to take away life or create life because He is the life giver. He is a JUST God. He is the creator God. God decides when your last heartbeat will be.
Everything belongs to God, so when he takes from us it is not stealing, but doing what he likes with his own property. Similarly, if God kills people it is not murder, because our lives belong to him (Deut. 32:39).
God's motivations for dealing with people are not the same as that of human murderers. Most of the time, people kill other people out of hatred, because they want something bad to happen to them, or because they don't care about them or don't want to follow God's just laws. But God says, "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live" (Ezekiel 33:11)
And God is omniscient, so he knows when a group of people have become so wicked that it would be bad for them, and for their children, and for the rest of the world, if they remain alive to keep sinning. For example, the Canaanites sacrificed their innocent children to a devil god they worshipped as part of their religion(See Deuteronomy 12:31.), and if God hadn't put an end to them, we might still see people doing that today. This also happened in ancient Mayan, Incan and Aztec cultures. You can see how the devil works. He does everything contrary to God. God had to get rid of them because the influence of these nations left unchecked would ultimately lead to the death of many more innocent people. Additionally, not only did God use Israel’s might to punish evil nations like these, He used the Babylonian, Assyrian, and Egyptian kings to punish Israel. God will often use human forces to mete out His discipline.
How many times do you expect God to warn people about the judgement that is to come? The blood of the innocent babies also cry out to God. This Earth is more alive than you think. Will God NOT avenge the innocent? God gives people many chances to give up their wicked ways and stand in the light. It is people who choose NOT to listen. Don't blame God for the sins of humans. Each and everyone has free will to choose their own fates. God does NOT owe us anything yet He has offered the gift of eternal life to each and every soul who turns from their wicked ways and follow Him fully in Spirit and in truth. The precious gift of eternal life is only because of God's son, Jesus Christ. Jesus took what was supposed to be our place on the cross. So only He is worthy to forgive the sins of humanity if we turn from the wicked ways and follow Him.
Now add to that the fact we're all sinners and deserve to die and go to hell yesterday, and the reality that we're even breathing today is sheer common grace from God. Read for more clarity: www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/15/t/baptized-paganism
@Mr Scratch lol you chose to bring up Herod? One of the most ruthless demon possessed lunatic. Knowing full well that he murdered children 2 and younger? You'd rather take the side of this murderer?! That speaks volumes about you. Whoever chooses to stay in their foolish ways will lead themselves to destruction. There is another verse that describes this kind of outlook completely. Though seeing they see not, hearing they hear not, nor do they understand. Matthew 13:13.
And Genuine righteousness leads to life, but the pursuit of evil brings death. Proverbs 11:19. Only fools willfully choose the latter.
That just means that in 112 AD people believed it.
It's like finding people 80 years after the creation of scientology. Doesn't make any of it actually true.
The fact that people believed something doesn't make what they believe in true.
Hurr durr this thing is like this other, entirely unrelated thing
The real question is: Who knows more? An edgelord atheist who read youtubes comments or 90% of historians who have all came to agree of Christ’s existence?
Pool 8 Consider what those historians themselves are experts in. Most studied Christianity as a major, and are Christians themselves. They study the Bible for a living. I’m sure those same researchers claiming confirmed historicity of Christ would find no historical evidence that the events of the Book of Mormon or the Koran were indeed historically accurate. At the end of the day, everyone is going to believe whatever they want to believe and they’ll find the evidence for the side of the argument they happen to fall on. Those who study this topic and find insufficient evidence to say Jesus was part of our history shouldn’t be called “edgelord atheists who read UA-cam comments.”
At the end of the day, who cares. There’s no evidence for any of the magical shit Jesus supposedly did, like his Resurrection, but billions still believe it really happened. It’s a matter of beliefs, not a matter of historical research.
Dylan It goes both ways. Atheists who major in history have their own biases, not only Christians. But even atheist history majors can agree Christ existed. Do you think you know more than they do Dylan?
Pool 8 Exactly !
The fear of fire by a loving god.
He didn't even answer the question just rambling on. About nothing shit was weak. Seek and you shall find. Knock and it will be answered. He who hath ear to hear, let him hear.
Just believe, just believe, just believe🐑
@@kal-jaysean8488 That's what scientists tell you
He is The Word Of God. He is the Son of God. He is God. He is the image of the unseen God. He is the Alpha and Omega. He is the beginning and the end. He is the Great I Am. He is Emmanuel. He is The Christ. He is The Messiah. He is The Creator. He is our Lord and Saviour. He is our Mediator. He is the Lion and the Lamb. He is Salvation. He is the way, the truth, and life.
Geez people, get to the point of the message... this didn't provide anything.
Whosoever seeks the truth shall find. God's word, the Bible, is the truth! Jesus is the ONLY truth, the way and the life.
Watch on youtube the research that has been done so far:
1. Miracles at the Crucifixion of Christ by Genesis Apologetics.
2. Ancient Chinese records on Jesus by gtasoul.
3. Noah's Ark Found? The Ron Wyatt Story by Discovered Media.
4. God in Ancient China by Scott Sacker.
5. Dinosaurs and the Bible with Bryan Osborne by Answers in Genesis.
@@jesussaves5556 yeah no.
Its all a hoax
@@elmokelmu says the one who instead believe in lies disguised as truths.
@@elmokelmu I belive shrek is Jesus reborn
@@jesussaves5556 you kinda just assumed what shrek believes without even asking him. Thats kinda rude isn't it?
I suspect you are referring to answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/ in point nr. 5? Because I see quite a few things that are wrong with it, starting with the notion that fossil dating is based on interpretation. This is plain false. With radiometric dating (where the radioactive decay of certain isotopes is measured within the rocks because all radioactive isotopes decay at a solid rate) we can get an accurate age, which is not 6000 years for like... all dinosaurs... or any dinosaurs at all. For more input on this topic, just check out one of the numerous "young earth debunked" videos here on youtube :D
Added bonus on the point of all animals having been vegetarian before sin: the jaw/theeth of carnivorous animals says it all and the reason why they are that way is evolution by natural selection, which is an evidence supported fact.
I guess that is enough of a basis to start on, right?
Jesus always existed in our real world history, until the advent of the internet. Now it seems to be a big question. Don't be fooled by false information Jesus did exist, even Muslims acknowledge his existence.
Freeone 67 Well i wish he'd get off his arse n do something.. At least a little miracle like show himself..
Or a little show of interest on what's happening here..
Odin and Thor always existed in our real world history now we view them as nothing more then old tales and myths... age and amount of people who believe something is nothing to do with if it is real or not and there are older religions then Christianity so are they ALL real or just YOUR particular set of beliefs?
Nope, he hasn't. Thanks to the internet, we now know the truth.
Got any evidence for your claim that Jesus existed?
@@mike62mcmanus so? They were still there. The Moors who built Europe were muslims...
Pauline letters, Josephus Tacitus, Thallus, Philopon, Lucian of Samosata, Mara Bar-Serapion, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, The Talmud, Celsus, Acts of Pilate, and Early Church fathers.
These Historians help us to understand that Christianity started in 30 A.D, being a Christian meant death or serious punishment, and all of Jesus disciples died for not denying him.
We also must remember the Siege of Jerusalem, almost everything was destroyed!
You should consider that before Paul became one of the forefront, he was alright living his life well while denying Christ. He lived to chastise early Christians to the point where he decided to give up his life of luxury and pristine to honor Christ. It should be apparent that people are not willing to leave their life full of opulence and riches without a true justification. Therefore, Paul's true justification for leaving his position was to honor Christ as Truth.
To sum it up, Paul could be viewed as a "foolish" man for leaving his rich life to honor someone he once hated. At the same time, he hated Christians and lived his life well until he left it to honor Jesus.
We only know this because Paul says this, but who was Paul?
@God No But they were not just followers, they were witnesses to everything Jesus did in his ministry! Why would they choose to die for a known lie?
The Acts of Pilate are a complete forgery and you are insane.
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People who believe there is no God must have all knowledge and conclude this to be 100% true through science. This is of course impossible to have all knowledge. The most you can possibly know is less than 1% of all full knowledge. This still leaves at least 99% of knowledge of which you have not touched. To make that much of a claim without nearly enough knowledge and understanding on the topic is foolish.
People who believe there is a God do not have to have all knowledge because they already know it to be true because they have met God. They know God. They feel God. They have far more evidence than non believers.
Example:
Bob says there is nobody named Michael Smith on this earth. I would say go around the world and ask names of everyone to prove it. Bob is making a huge claim based on very weak knowledge. It would be an equally weak claim to say that there IS a Michael Smith on this earth, so I would have to check around to world to prove it. But if I say this claim and I know a man named Michael Smith, and I have a relationship and talk to him, it would be proof that in fact there is one on this earth, and Bob was proven wrong.
Same goes with God. Atheists say there is no God based on no scientific evidence whatsoever. But if Christians say there is a God, it is not as outrageous because Christians know God. They have a relationship with God. They talk to God. They know there is a God. That is the evidence.
There is a God because people have met him in their heart.
Wow. Everything you just said is wrong. Wouldn't expect much else.I was a christian too, and I too would ignorantly spout at atheists in self righteous fervor.
First of all, how do you know we have 1 percent of knowledge? Besides the fact that I wouldnt even know what you mean exactly by that Have you calculated the total amount of knowledge in the universe? That is just as bad as saying that we claim to have all the knowledge.You ironically are taking the very position youre accusing us of. You have an equally valid 1 percent of information as much as we do and yet you are arrogant enough to claim that you are right and were wrong for thinking differently which is exactly what youre accusing us of.
Second of all the assertion that atheists secretly know God and are simply surpressing the truth is simply not true, and is a by product of the bible discouraging you to question it. Every follower of every religion in the planet genuinley believes as much as you do that their religoin is true and that their experiences with whatever religion are conclusion enough that such is true, Each one of these religions opposing to yours have their effective ways of living, their dense mythology, Miracles, supernatural occurences, explanations to things we have otherwise found the right answer of, and some form of relationship to the deity they serve with love and fervor. Belive it or not people have met DIFFERENT gods in their hearts and they talk to them. So if they all have the evidence that is require then which one is right? WE NEED MORE THAN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE because lies can come from personal experience..An experiment was made not so long ago where children were asked what they thought was the origin of the universe. None of them asserted to any deity, proving to you that people arent born "believiing and knowing" God. They are indoctrinated and taught to do so.People genuinley don't know the God youre talking about, and even the bible defends the notion. Read Romans 10:14-15 which says " But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? " If people already knew God then it would be such a common knowledge that would be undeniable, and thus you wouldnt even have to preach, yet you do. And if you think this is because there is some sort of conspiracy around the world so that we dont admit God exists. Youd also be wrong, but hopefully youre smart enough to know that many atheists and non-christians are seekers of truth and if any real evidence to show he positivley exists came up, they would gladly believe in it. People that are intellectually honest and have no intention of surpressing the truth actually look and research these things and come to the conclusion that God isnt real. God should be real enough to convince them, yet here we are.
Third, So how do you know the Judeo Christian God specificially is the true God? Maybe its the zorastrian God or some other shit. Point is that every religion claims to have met the real deal and they are all convinced 100 percent that theyre right and therefore everyone else is wrong. People havent ever seen such a thing as God, much less have proof beyond here-say and personal perception and experience. So because youre on the side of unprovable pseudoscientific matterless spaceless benevolent creators we havent yet proved, IT IS YOUR resposinbility to prove that such a thing even could exist. Not for us that dont believe to prove that God doesnt exist. Youre the one that needs to have a burden of proof for his existence, not us for his non-existence.
For example I could also tell you "Hey man fairies exist, I mean plenty of books have been written around them and evidence of their existence is all around us and ive personally seen one up close." And then yo'd say "Bro, fairies don' exist" to which I would respond "Welll.....Can you prove they don't exist?" You know how retarded and useless a conversation like that would be? Therefore if I have seen fairies which humanity has never in their existence, and i want people to believe, its not yours or anybodys responsibility to disprove it, its my responsibility to prove it.Which means that even if we all have that 1 percent sliver of knowledge, my 1 percent has much more going for it than yours until you can prove it. In the same way any other religion ahs that same status. Whats differenet about atheists is that we only filter out what isnt true. If tommorow we find out everything stephen hawkings said was a lie, we wont fucking defend it, and bitch and worship at his altar. We will destroy his teachings and replace them with truth. If were gonna live our lives in the dirrection of such outlandish shit, were gonna get our moneys worth, were not gonna do so even one second before , it has been proven. Faith is an unreliable way to get answers about reality.
Stfu
Yeah you right! Enternal hell for those who don’t believe in Jesus and obey him is justice punishment? I would kill myself if I was you not kidding.
Matias Pereyra
Ok I get what ur saying. They’re not my words I got it from somewhere else I forgot where. But I agree with what my comment says nonetheless. Sorry to have upset u just sharing my thoughts.
Matias Pereyra
Ur points r really valid and have made me think a lot. Thanks for the reply
The primary purpose of religion is to insure the priests are fed. Why else have an animal sacrifice that destroys a beautiful creature divinely created?
I’m sad you feel that way Bruce, may you find the salvation Jesus Christ gives, for he bridged the gap between humans and God.
The reason for the animal being sacrificed in the Old Testament is for the same reason that Jesus was sacrificed, a blameless entity that was given up in place of our sins because God loves us and otherwise the weight of sin would be death. Also, if the primary purpose of religion is to feed priests, then why do we even have priests? Surely the food would be better spent elsewhere, instead of going towards people whose entire lives revolve around “mumbo-jumbo”... while we’re asking questions, why don’t we ask the reason why we have priests? Or what they preach? Making anecdotal assumptions to disprove religion is a dangerous area. I pray that you’ll look into the things that you say and that you come to know the greatest sacrifice of the most blameless, pure of all to rescue us!
@Juice Moose, well spoken
@@noahhardie8041 🙌
@@twistiicuber1055 I hope you find logic and reason ASAP.
Jesus wants to call you home. It’s up to us to receive Him and his help. It will be when you realize you can’t do it all on your own. It’s a daily struggle for me but my faith keeps me going forward with hope for the future.
Jesus was killed for being a vandal.
I mean if he is all knowing why doesnt he just ring me then
@@wynwilliams6977 Maybe he doesn't have your number.
@@Alkes777 You think your god is all powerful but doesn't know how to find a phone number? Puny god
@@wynwilliams6977 My thoughts exactly.
Why would anyone want any evidence of Jesus OUTSIDE the Bible? ...duh --- I can' imagine anything worse than a worldly source of information about our Lord and Savior!
So the only evidence you have to believe your God exists is some 2000 years old book
@@robenkhoury7079 That's all that's necessary; and that '2000 year old book' is the most reliable piece of proof on earth.
Al Anton you mean the book that encourages slavery? And says Noah took dinosaurs into the ark when it’s been proven no dinosaur lived among humans and also is wrong about how old the earth is so how credible is that book?
@@fullmetall77 Shhhhh, sir, please. In case you have any credibility left at all as one who can reliably disseminate information to others, The Bible does not encourage slavery, does not say Noah took dinosaurs into the ark, and does not announce the age of the earth. SO, other than spreading the same old nonsense and lies about the Bible (just because you personally have no use for it -- nor it for you!) all you're really doing is revealing your appalling ignorance.
Al Anton wrong go read exodus 21 ,apparently your god says you can own a slave and beat it how is this moral?
If believers had any evidence on which to base their belief, they wouldn't require faith.
If Romans talked to people in northern Europe that belived in Thor, the god of thunder, and had written a report about it, would that be evidence that Thor exists? No.
Nice try, but no cigars.
R D but it wouldn’t be coming from Thor himself and did he record it? No. Nice try
That's not really the same is it? If people had actually MET Thor and told the Romans that, it would be relatable.. the trouble is that norse religion was based on invisible forces and how they interacted with the physical plane.. Jesus was actually written about as a man - not an unseen power..
@@wettergren1725
Some people "say" they met an angel, it doesnt mean its true. Plus you would think people would have written about a fantastical magical jesus when he was doing his miracles, yet afaik theres no independent traces he ever existed during is alledged lifetime and indirect accounts and tales only start showing up years after his death, thats a huge red flag, to me this makes it more likely that he was invented and less probable he actually existed.
People as so gulible, there are people who actually believe Noa's Arc story is real.
"inside/outside the bible" is a false categorical problem in the first place. "the bible" simply describes the collection of documents that took centuries, of writings that were actually penned centuries before those who collected the works together were even born. that is, they started out as independent, and each writer didn't know that his writing was going to be included next to the others as some definitive canon. fundy atheists act like the bible was put together all at once, perhaps by some committee, or written by some kind of executive fiat by the church. thus the "evidence has to be inside/outside" falls flat. it would be much better to pose the question of "what non-Christian evidence is there for a historical Jesus"? that means you're refuting the notion that Jesus was only written about by supporters, friendly sources who viewed him in an orthodox manner. the answer is, you have some unfriendly accounts, and some friendly ones, leading to the conclusion its much more likely he existed than that he didn't (and the goofy myther alternative theories aren't even worthy of response here).
Your logical and well written comment deserves far more likes, sir.
@@JVtheDJ except you're mistaken. the Council of Nicea decided what? not the canon of scripture. have you ever even studied the "canons of the council of nicea"? Constantine didn't invent the divinity of Jesus. the two "parties" If you will, who debated at Nicea were not debating whether Jesus was God, they were merely arguing over HOW divine he was. The Arians had no "alternative scriptures" that presented Jesus differently, they merely interpreted the same scriptures in a different way. so yes, on this subject you are quite ignorant. sounds like you've been reading too much Dan Brown (an ignoramus, who based his fiction upon fringe conspiracy theories written by money-hungry attention whores with no historical or scholarly background). historyversusthedavicincicode.com (take it from another atheist, www.amazon.com/s?k=da+vinci+code+bart+ehrman&ref=nb_sb_noss )
@@JVtheDJ THE COUNCIL OF NICEA DIDN'T PICK THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. My channel provides 100% proof of this, meaning you need to get educated, JV Sport. the canon of the bible was not finalized in his lifetime and he had NOTHING to do with influencing it. zero. if anything, he was sympathetic to Arianism (which, contrary to popular belief did NOT regard Jesus as merely a "mortal prophet" but actually a god). the gnostics also regarded Christ as God (so Godly in fact, that they denied he was even human!). So no, there was no "Jesus the good moral teacher" party at Nicea that somehow got stepped on by Constantine. that's a modern fantasy that certain liberal believers dream about, but it has no basis in facts or evidence. it's not even logical.
@@JVtheDJ name even one Scripture that was available in 325 that was "rejected" by Constantine or any of the Council Fathers that portrayed Jesus as merely a man. you won't find them, because they DON'T EXIST. and please don't say "well they destroyed them" (you need evidence for this claim, or I can also claim there was a lost gospel that portrayed Jesus as a black acrobatic female dwarf from the planet Mongo but every trace of it was erased from history... with just as much legitimacy).
@@JVtheDJ which "many others" portrayed Jesus as merely a man (and not "a god")? I bet you can't name them. You will recite something from the Da Vinci Code. The Gospel of Thomas was written by the Gnostics, who believed Christ was God (so much so that they denied his humanity). the council didn't decide the biblical canon, but its even sillier to claim they excluded books that emphasized his humanity in favor of ones that emphasized his divinity. you're just repeating what you've heard from nincompoops rather than looking at the evidence yourself. but if you're so inclined, see what experts (Like Bart Ehrman, an atheist, who doesn't believe in any "gods," but is neverthless a NT scholar) have to say. you might just learn something...
The word of God is never a challenge or a debate
which god?
Doesn’t answer question
Not in your mind because you came here wanting there not to be any evidence
@Terrell Bone those who seek shall find. God's word, the Bible, is the truth! Watch on youtube the research that has been done so far:
1. Miracles at the Crucifixion of Christ by Genesis Apologetics.
2. Ancient Chinese records on Jesus by gtasoul.
3. Noah's Ark Found? The Ron Wyatt Story by Discovered Media.
4. God in Ancient China by Scott Sacker.
5. Dinosaurs and the Bible with Bryan Osborne by Answers in Genesis.
All on youtube.
@@MayberryDaze64 Evidence is evidence. It doesnt care whether I or you look at it. This only evidence presented is that there are believers who worship christ, which does not make christ more real.
@@lisalisa3635 That's not true at all Michel. There remains a gargantuan amount of history and validity that supports God as the one true God, with far more reason to believe than any other god that’s ever been worshipped or mentioned, and the Bible with its great validity that proves as such to be nothing less than a history book far more so than the Quran, the Torah and any other religious text that’s ever been written or read. Because we have 5000+ ancient manuscripts of the Bible, we have a great deal of evidence that the contents of each book of the Bible have been preserved and that the Bible has not been changed to make up for prophecy. The ancient manuscripts date all the way back to 250 BC and verify with the modern Christian Bible. The oldest of these manuscripts are the Dead Sea Scrolls. Muslims and some skeptics claim that the Bible has been changed or corrupted but secular historians have verified that the contents of each specific book have been preserved. Since the Christian Bible has not been changed and it has also told the future time and time again, we have evidence that the Bible is inspired by God. We find testimonies of atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. claiming they died, went to hell and came back because Jesus saved them. There are countless testimonies just on UA-cam alone and the people that ventured into the afterlife describe the Christian concept of life after death. If NDE’s were open to interpretation, we would find testimonies of people saying that when they died, they met Allah or Muhammad or Buddha. But since we only find testimonies of people saying they were saved from hell by Jesus, we have additional evidence that Christianity is the truth. When Muslims die, they don’t hallucinate about Allah and when Hindus die, they don’t hallucinate about reincarnation. What we see is the truth of Christianity being preached by those that died and came back. Besides the countless testimonies we have of near death experiences, we also have scientific research and evidence that verifies the existence of the afterlife. It is a historical fact that Jesus did exist, with 99-100% of scholars and historians relevant to the field acknowledging it. We have greater evidence for Jesus for Jesus' existence than we have for Alexander the Great, Tiberius Caesar and many other ancient historical figures. Altogether we have at least 42 authors that concern Jesus within the first 150 years of His life - which is absolutely incredible for ancient historical standards. We also have no early texts whatsoever that claim He didn't exist (If memory serves, such claims only surfaced in the 17th century...). Furthermore, I could run through the ontological, teleological arguments or the arguments from morality, history, the life death Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the eyewitness testimony to that, the myriads of intellectual genius's from Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Faraday, Pascal, Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard , Aquinas, Augustine etc. etc, who all believed in God and took the question to places the average man will never get to much less even understand in this life and still found it better to believe than not. But I would only mention those to show an intellectual defense of the Christian faith that I find satisfies the questions, but I don't think I or anyone else in this life will ever have perfect concrete knowing in this life, that's why the concept of faith rings true to me. God is a properly basic belief like the belief in the external world around us. God is self evident, like all men created equal is self evident. And at the end of the day the Christian story is the greatest story ever told. There is no better explanation for the big questions in life. There is great reason to believe in God, the father of Christ, and the word of the Bible as it has continuously proven through history to be an historical, nonfictional text. The problem that atheists are faced with isn’t even close to a lack of evidence or history when acknowledging or researching Christianity. The problem that you and many other atheists have is the strong and stubborn refusal and opposition to believe in something greater than yourselves, and that great desire not to believe very often overpowers the atheist’s openness and willingness to take in, acknowledge with an open mind and heart, the very existent evidence and validity that is very much stacked against them and their often arrogant position and condescension towards Christians and religion as a whole.
@Terrell Bone There is evidence. Read my previous reply
Hearing Dr. Williams teach about the historicity of the Christian faith is always an intellectual delight. I think he is quite underrated compared to colleagues who also espouse and defend the faith in academia.
He is quite honestly the best match for the atheistic polemics of the likes of Dr. Bart Ehrman. Dr. Williamsʼ books are an excellent read, too. I highly recommend his body of work.
Thank you for uploading this, Veritas Forum. Your resources are always a great help for Christians like me who desire to know the faith better.
God bless this ministry and to God alone be all the glory.
Peter Williams is a clown who is mocked inside and outside of his profession. He is not an intellectual delight. He is a tool.
As a non believer I like to think Jesus was a real man who lived a life that mirrored much of his story.
@James Henry Smith I don't believe in or worship a god, especially the monster from the bible. Real or not i would hate to see how much horrible Christianity could Ave been without the story of Jesus.
@James Henry Smith lol. How old are you.? Calm down its all made up.
@James Henry Smith I am not against anyone. I have just always thought of him as some progressive teacher or something. Don't know why. Actually his teachings, real or not, are just about the only reason there is any good deeds that come out of that cult.
@James Henry Smith you are correct. I stated i was a non believer
brothers why are you fighting with the dragon? our saviour has already won the war. find and love those who need Him. leave this den of vipers. find lost sheep.
Well the term was Right "the weak will always depend on the strong"
@@lordlopikong2597 whats your application?
a general and his minions or a teacher and his students? in either case yes youre correct
I don't know if I believe in Jesus I do but I don't can you help because you seem like you know a lot about god
I eat sheep. Well lamb is preferable.
this guy is not the lord, but he may just have keys to a shed outside
Writing was a specialized job in those days but printing was invented 1456. Knowledge is a progressive jackpot.
Mr Biggera (any relation to Mr. My Button is Biggera than Yours...?) makes an incorrect and rather Eurocentric point. Printing with moveable wooden type was invented in China in the 7th c and in the 13th c the Koreans developed printing with metal blocks - some way ahead of the Gothenburg Bible and William Caxton (although the Europeans did develop printing techniques suitable for a mass market faster than the Asians).
@@exiled_londoner Wow a historical note predicated by an insulting and lame attempt at humor. Are you 12?
@@j-joe-jeans-
Humour, rather like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
@@exiled_londoner Stupidity is not.
@@exiled_londoner Facts most certainly are not.
I found exposingchristianity com interesting and opened my eyes to the truth about who Jesus really is and what the Bible and Christianity is really about.
Do you think the author was unbiased?
U know about Christianity?
@@nelligloriasharon2890 I am a Christian Nelli. What would you like to know? Maybe I could help you
@@nelligloriasharon2890 Yes, I do, is there something I can help you understand, possibly?
Facts!
There's definitely evidence of my existence in Skyrim...
For all you atheists or people of other religions I am not familiar with: have at it. Throw shade.
But for you Christians: shut the hell up wit the disrespect. One of the rules Christians must follow is that Christians must accept and respect their neighbor. That does not mean you must agree with them. That means you must accept them; there is a difference.
this is like... evidence for the existence of worshippers of christ.
Worshippers of something they didn’t see? How silly would that be
@@frankiemoore9127 there's billions of people currently worshipping that which they cannot see. How silly are all of them?..
@@SineEyed that's like saying they can't arrest all of us. So it's a group it's somehow more believable than 1 person? What kind of logic is that?
@@undrwatropium3724 r/wooosh
The title of this is,,, is there any evidence of jesus,,, you talk to much but there is no piont,,, where is your piont and the topic,,, you talk nothing about the topic
Those who seek the truth shall find. God's word, the Bible, is the truth! Jesus is the ONLY Truth, the way and the life. Watch on youtube the research that has been done so far:
1. Miracles at the Crucifixion of Christ by Genesis Apologetics.
2. Ancient Chinese records on Jesus by gtasoul.
3. Noah's Ark Found? The Ron Wyatt Story by Discovered Media.
4. God in Ancient China by Scott Sacker.
5. Dinosaurs and the Bible with Bryan Osborne by Answers in Genesis.
All on youtube.
So what if Jesus existed? It still proves nothing in reference to the existence of god. It only proves, and I’m not even convinced Jesus did exist, that a man by the name of Jesus existed. It does not prove the accuracy of the stories and miracles. There is no proof of that. How people can’t understand that baffles me
If God does exist and if his existence is to be proved to the whole world, only way is science. Science gives us physical evidence of something by use of formulas and theories which later prove to be correct and God's existence has to be "proved"
Gaurav Chavan Yes, science would be the only way to prove god’s existence, it just seems very unlikely that proof for something like that will ever be found. Not impossible, but unlikely
@YouMake MeReal dude Jesus is messenger of God
Read your books
@YouMake MeReal And I am not saying God doesn't exist, I do believe there is some entity behind the scenes who is pulling the strings of this universe but all I am saying is
it is almost impossible to prove the existence of this entity if "God" himself doesn't want to appear infront of us
YouMake MeReal How is Jesus god? What proof do you have other than your own presupposition?
Is there evidence for noahs ark, samsons magical hair, stoning homosexuals, talking snakes outside the bible?
No. The Bible is a truth encapsulated in a story. I’m a progressive Christian that believes in God, but I don’t believe in much of the stories told in the Bible. The reason is that the Bible is a historical book that reveals how biblical characters dealt with their lives by balancing it with theology. Today we have a different story, but we can still look at the Bible for inspiration.
@@jwinthepro I'm just curious. How do you make the jump from "don't believe in much of the stories" to "believes in God". If the stories themselves are in the slightest; made up, doesn't that imply the whole thing falls apart? Perhaps I misunderstand.
@@pprocacci Much of the stories were written in a historical time in which people may have been inspired by God, and they articulated that inspiration onto paper as best they could. Back then, those people had an entirely different cultural and moral system, so of course we are going to be different today. The Bible is what you make it, and just because there are contradictions in stories does not mean that there are contradictions of God. You have to remember the Bible is a composition of books, each with its own author and own perspective. I do not believe in Noah's Ark. That's not to say that there is a message in the story, a message that is supposed to remind us the value of creation and the sins of man. In no way does my viewpoint in scripture affect my faith in God.
jwin_the_pro am, well said
adfasd is there evidence for Big Bang, evolution??
I wish this audio was better. It sounds like an interesting lecture.
Then use Captions
In the end all he said that worshippers of christ existed and that they were willing to die for their beliefs (granted, martyrdom doesnt sound bad if you believe youd be going straight to heaven afterwards lol)
The answer is a big fat NO !
The answer is yes
Faith is the evidence for things unseen.
Faith is a human weakness... a failing.
@@ozskipper That's just like your opinion man.
@@kylebarefield2560 not at all. The definition of "faith" is belief without evidence!
That really is a human weakness, a failing. And, its certainly nothing to be proud of.
@@ozskipper Ok man not gonna get into a debate here cause it will be like talking in circles but I'll just say that my faith is so strong that I know in my heart of hearts there is a god so if I feel the strength in me and don't feel like a failure through my faith how can it be weakness in me?
@@kylebarefield2560 Hmm. Everyone who believes in a god uses faith. Belief without Evidence. Its faith that flies planes into buildings. Its faith that makes people believe in talking snakes and donkeys.
Faith is the removal of critical thinking. Faith restricts learning. Yes, its very much a weakness.
I don't know of the wider context of this particular video's discussion, but this video is not evidence at all for the existence of a historical Jesus. For a start, the letter is 80 years removed from Jesus' death. Secondly, all the letter demonstrates is that Pliny had observed some Christians and their beliefs in the early 2nd century in Bithynia-Pontus; which is absolutely irrelevant to the existence of a historical person who was a non-contemporary, in a different country nearly a century earlier.
Ironically, this letter is probably the most important evidence against the specious claims of the persecution of Christians under Domitian in the 90s AD. In this letter, Pliny is asking the current emperor Trajan on how to deal with Christians, as he'd never had to legal prosecute them prior to this - under Domitian, Pliny was in several positions of high office in Rome, and served in judicial affairs during his 'purge' of the senate. If Pliny had never prosecuted Christians by the time this letter was written, then the (much, much later) Christian claims of persecution under Domitian are extremely unlikely.
Helpful, thank you
No one denies that Christians existed but that is NOT the same as showing that Jesus was real. P.S. If it's called mathematics (plural with an S) if you shorten it, it remains plural and still needs an S. So Maths is correct but Math is not.
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‘diesel prices in my area are approximately 7% more than regular gas, but the mileage is over 20% greater-do the math’
‘did closing thirty beds hurt emergency waiting times? You do the math!’
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To this day I still think the bible is just some weird story some random guy wrote and became popular.
S 6 V 9 N there were over 40 authors in different eras
Who on earth would invest her time to write a weird story that is so profound and confound that you can interpret it for every situation in every generation and still be accurate. Not that in those day they have a movie company and people are being paid for their script to be published for play in the auditorium.
Also you can't have different author writing about a person and come to same conclusion unless they have seen the miracles happening with their own eyes and life or they have heard from someone.
@@mangneokhongsai3257 theres 340,000 cross references between the old and new testament, it couldn't have been random
@@rudywitdatooli Yes of course it might even be more to me, the reason with the cross reference between the old and the new testament is because the old testament talks about the coming of a chosen one "Messiah" and how the new world or the kingdom of God will be like, or the process of salvation from sin. 340,000 cross references doesn't mean that someone fabricated the new testament from old testament it's just they are connected to each other in one or some form.
So there are tens of thousands of copies of "Winnie the Pooh." There are at least that many references to it from people who have read it or reviewed it. So therefore it is true.
Comparing me to Winnie the Pooh? Are you kidding me? #Triggered
Comparing you? Hardly. You’re nothing compared to the Pooh.
Yeah? I've just kicked his fluffy ass, when he was trying to steal honey in Riverwod!
No contemporary writing of Jesus outside the Bible
what is contemporary writing
The new testament wasn't contemporary, or even close, so none in the bible either
@Raymond Palmer That simply is not true, no such writings exist and for the record the fakes are based on what European christians wanted him to look like, dude would of been a short brown palestine looking dude back then. The fakes appeared from 1827 onwards.
@TheFacts Dude is obviously either seriously deluded or trolling, best to ignore him i think
@TheFacts Yes I meant palmer, to a certain extent yes, I mean he can apparently work out how to use the internet for example, but reasoning above the level of a five year old? not so much
Except none of them were actual contemporaries of Jesus.
Imagine what kind of "History" we would write for Elvis if we were to start now and have nothing prior written down. I mean he resurrected as well, or at least people believe they have seen him since his death.
@@Tovec8 Exactly!
@gsundiszno The thing that bothers me is that we have certainly more and better sources for John the Baptist, than we do for Jesus and even Christians don't consider John to be anyone particularly special except by his connection to the less verified figure of Jesus. We have comparably excellent sources from Paul - someone I would argue was a greater impact on early Christianity than even Jesus himself - since we have his letters and thus his actual accounts and thoughts about how the church should be run. We know Paul existed and know what he said and all sorts of things about him; but for Jesus we have vague allusions and must take on "faith" for some reason.
@Bad Cattitude
*The fact that the gospel writers felt the need to include the very problematic and embarrassing Baptism of Jesus by John says a lot.
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Not really. No more than any other story where the hero fails or is considered weak or is the underdog in our modern stories. It is done to humanize the character.
*Also, Jesus's disciples wouldn't have felt the need to write anything down, they thought Jesus was coming back within their lifetime.*
Boy were they wrong. Where did they get that idea? Oh yeah, from Jesus.
*The Gospels (except possibly Mark) were written after the Temple was destroyed, gotta keep that in mind*
Thank you for admitting we have bad sources for Jesus. It doesn't change anything and agrees with what I said before.
It must be taken by FAITH there is no way around it.
@Cool Breeze santa Claus has no prove.
Faith is bad..
@@RGE_Music Like the Bible Jesus.
@@SurenEnfiajyan here you go
www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources
No it doesn’t need to be taken by faith
There are like more than 10 000 gods. Which one is real though?
MINE, of course!
@@freddyflintstoned913 No, MINE!
GoldActual God the father of Christ, which has far more evidence than any other
@@MayberryDaze64
Jesus and holy spirit are not God
Jesus exists, He is the beginning of the end. So the end of days (The Last Days) started when Christ became flesh.
Please promise to read all.
Jesus is our Living Passover, so let us thank Him for His sacrifice.
Yeshua Ha Massiach
Acts Chapter 4 verse 12: " There is no salvation through anyone else, nor is there any other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved."
Who is Christ? Who is Jesus?
Born of a virgin, Mary.
Mathew Chapter 1 verse 20: " behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to him (Joseph), in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for that (Christ)which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, the Christ, is God's word made flesh. Jesus is Jehovah God's (The Creator's) Word made into flesh.
1 John chapter 5 verse 7: " For there are three that bear a record in heaven, The Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one."
John chapter 1 verse 1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John chapter 1 verse 14: " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
John chapter 1 verse 10: " He was in the world, and the world knew Him not."
Hebrews chapter 4 verse 12: " For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
How beautiful and awesome is God's Word, who is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, magnificent in all His glory, is He.Amen!
John's Vision Of Christ Seated On His Throne In Heaven:
Revelation chapter 4 verse 2 to 3: " Immediately, I (John), was in the Spirit, and behold a throne sat in Heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance, and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald."
Why did Christ Jesus came and sacrificed His precious life for sinners like us?
Christ (God's Word made into flesh), came because through flesh (Adam's flesh) sin entered the world, and then because of sin death entered the whole earth. Through flesh(Jesus Christ's flesh), the earth will be saved, sin is destroyed, and the curse of death shall be broken, death and the grave shall be cast into hell.
Christ, who is God's Word made into flesh, sacrificed His life for us. He was crucified for our sins and transgressions.
Christ died, and on the third day He resurrected in the flesh, conquering death and the grave. Now, Christ is seated in Heaven, at the right hand of Power(God). Through Christ's sacrifice we gain Salvation through God's abundant mercy and grace. We are reconciled and recompensed back to God, through the shed blood of His beloved Son Christ Jesus.
John chapter 3 verse 16: " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
Romans chapter 5 verse 8: " But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Christ came to undo the sin and eternal death brought upon the world through the sin of Adam.
Death in Adam, Life In Christ:
Romans chapter 5 verse 19: " For as by one man's disobedience, many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience, many will be made righteous."
Romans chapter 5 verse 18: " Therefore, as through one man's (Adam's) offense judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even through one Man's (Christ's) righteous act, the free gift came to all men, resulting in the justification of life."
Romans chapter 5 verse 17: " For if by the one man's offense(Adam's offense), death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in the life through the One(Jesus Christ).
Romans chapter 5 verse 12: " Therefore, just as through one man (Adam)sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned."
Romans chapter 5 verse 21: " "So that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Do you now see that through Adam, sin and death entered the world, so that is why Christ Jesus came to give life, and give it abundantly? Yes Christ came to give eternal life through Salvation.
Adam's flesh brought sin, death, destruction, and condemnation.
Christ's sacrifice, the crucifixtion of His flesh, brings reconciliation of sins, life, resurrection, eternal life, salvation
Christ is coming back again, not as a sacrificial lamb. He is coming back as a roaring, waring lion, to destroy sin, death, and the grave once and for all. Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen! Hallelujah!
Revelation chapter 22 verse 12 to 13: " And behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. "
Now do you see friends, Why Christ Jesus is so so Important for our Salvation? Yes.
Now, do you understand why there is only one way to God, and that is only through Christ Jesus,only? Yes.
Christ is Salvation. Christ is our Lord and Saviour. Christ is the only way to God. Christ is the only Mediator between God and men(us humans).
God loves us so much, He does not want anyone to perish in hell. God wants all sinners to be saved. That is why He sent His Word to save the world. God's Word became flesh, and dwelt among us to save us.
Will you accept Christ and be saved?
Romans chapter 6 verse 23: " For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
John Chapter 3 verse 16: " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
Salvation is free!
Salvation is free!
Christ already paid the price, all you have to do is recieve salvation through acceptance of Jesus Christ, Yeshua Ha Massiach.
So who is Christ?
He is The Word Of God. He is the Son of God. He is God. He is the image of the unseen God. He is the Alpha and Omega. He is the beginning and the end. He is the Great I Am. He is Emmanuel. He is The Christ. He is The Messiah. He is The Creator. He is our Lord and Saviour. He is our Mediator. He is the Lion and the Lamb. He is Salvation. He is the way, the truth, and life.
Amen!
I love you Lord!
John chapter 14 verse 6: " Jesus said to him," I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Colassians chapter 1 verse 15 to 16:
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him."
John chapter 1 verse 1 to 4:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men."
I hope that you know Christ, and understand Christ better now,to the glory of God.
Amen!
Christ is for all who will receive Him.
Please pray this prayer with me. ***Lord Jesus, please come in to my heart. I accept You as my Lord and Savior, You are the Son Of God, You are the Word Of God, You are God. You are the Great I Am, the One Who Was, Who Is and Who Is To Come. I believe that You sacrificed your life for me and died, and on the third day You awoke and raised up your body in the flesh. I believe You are coming back again in the flesh (In your resurrected body). I believe Salvation is only through You. No one comes to God (Jehovah) The Father, but through You. Forgive me Lord of my sins. I renounce all of my sins past and present this day. I will sin no more with your help dear Lord. I want to be close to you Lord, now and forevermore. Keep me in Your bosom. Heal me oh Lord, and please help me, be near me and never let me go. Write my name in Your Book of Life. Please prepare a place for me, in Your Father's House. Hear my prayer dear Lord. In Jesus mighty name, I pray. Amen ****
May the Lord continue to be with you and strengthen you through any difficult journeys ahead.
This is how our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ said we should pray.Matthew chapter 6 verse 9 to 13:
"Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen."
Now that you understand who Christ is, share Christ with others.
Amen!
"God's kingdom will come on earth, as it is in heaven," but after the coming antichrist's kingdom. Christ is the end of the antichrist/antichrist's kingdom.
1 Corinthians 15: 51, "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed."
Seek Christ now, while He still can be found.
He is The Word Of God. He is the Son of God. He is God. He is the image of the unseen God. He is the Alpha and Omega. He is the beginning and the end. He is the Great I Am. He is Emmanuel. He is The Christ. He is The Messiah. He is The Creator. He is our Lord and Saviour. He is our Mediator. He is the Lion and the Lamb. He is Salvation. He is the way, the truth, and life.
so actually no historic proof but just rambling about some letters?
ivek777 what else would there be all history is is letters
What would you see as evidence?
Dynamic Love Ministries for real I mean we have the letters written by people who existed mean would you accept a random letter from history that says there is no God though
This was not a letter about Jesus.. it was a letter about a bunch of people who worshipped someone.. who themselves made no claim of knowing.. would not stand up in court
Dont end up in hell for eternity because of you hardened heart
Jesus is real even outside the bible...historical events r called BC (Before Christ)...
That doesn’t prove anything idiot.
What proves ur life idiot
Znvxy the hell are you talking about?
Haaajjajajaa that’s not what bad means
*6 mins wasted*
You should have paid more attention then
There were many writers in the first century AD who should have mentioned Jesus if he had existed and not a single one did. The most prominent of these is Josephus whose lack of a mention of Jesus was commented on as a problem by Christians writers in the 2nd and 3rd centuries until the problem was solved in the 4th century by Eusebius who inserted the Testimonium Flavianum into the text. Unfortunately he did a hamfisted job of it so we can easily see it as a forgery today.
Josephus DESCRIBED JESUS'S APPEARANCE what are you talking about???
@@LTJBryant55 Did you not read my comment. Josephus only contains the Testimonium Flavianum which I explained was a forgery and a single scribal insertion of the word 'Christ in a part that is actually talking about Jesus son of Damnius. Hence we know Josephus does NOT mentioned Jesus.
Jesus was only heard in where he lived and not outside of it. How do you know that these writers never heard of him?
@@progamerzach1 We can only know what they wrote and none of them mention Jesus. There were many people who lived and wrote in that part of the world (including in Galilee and Jerusalem) and not a single one ever mentions Jesus or any of his works or disciples. If you want to check their works here are a few names of contemporary writers to start you off..
Philo of Alexandria, Josephus, Justus Tiberias (native of Galilee),Arrian, Lucius Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD) Dion Pruseus, Pliny the Elder, Pater Calus, Suetonius, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran, Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintus Curtius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Valerius Flaccus, Quintilian, Forus Lucius, Lucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Alulus Geuius, Statius, Ptolemy, Columella, Diochry Sostom, Hermogones, Lysias, Valerius Maxiimus, Cornelius, Titus Livius, Cluvius Rufus, Publius Petronius (the Roman consul) who lived in Jerusalem.
There is no contemporary account from any writer of the existence of Jesus.
@@Matthew_Holton You are wrong again...www.josephus.org/testimonium.htm
Even if we did prove that Jesus existed, this wouldn't prove any of the miraculous claims made by the Bible. And it definitely wouldn't prove that he is the son of God.
@flash2fr3sh so rather than debating what I said, you instead resort to using a childish insult. That says it all really.
Suraj Opinion is Never Better Jesus was very much a real man
There’s still no evidence of him
Don't you think this is all pointless? We could all agree that historians say this person existed, and some of these things happened..but it isn't like they could conclude he actually did miracles.
So we're still stuck in the resting place of many other religions, where historians can conclude some of the stories really happened.
it's just like fundy atheists to shift the goalposts. try this: go see if you can debate a young earth creationist. they will say "oh yeah? well maybe that fossil is real and maybe it shows development of one species into another, but it doesn't show X, Y, Z... so the earth is still young and my interpretation of the bible is still true!" lol. you guys deserve each other.
@Arcexey. the "if Jesus didn't have divine powers it's useless to question whether he existed" thing is missing the point. the fundy atheist is arguing Jesus didn't exist PRECISELY because he is offended by the claim that Christians say Jesus was divine, and wants to undermine that, thinking this is the way to do it. the trouble is that the evidence and the experts are not on his side, even the ones who share his atheistic worldview. only a couple of fringe scholars agree (you can find fringe theorists in any field). so he must explain then why we should listen to his viewpoint rather than what the evidence points to and what the experts say about it. whether Jesus was divine or not, according to history, it matters whether we are correct in saying Jesus existed or not, just as it would with any other figure. the point is to follow the evidence to the most probable conclusion. history is for the sake of knowledge. of course the Christian believer would "want" Jesus to exist. if Jesus did not exist, then Christianity, at its core, would be disproven (there are other religions out there one could choose from if this happened). but if the Christian somehow "knew" Jesus didn't exist, then why would they want to persist "believing" in something they "knew" had been disproven? so the Christian would be being accused of being a madman, who believes something he knows is untrue, for illogical reasons (you can't make something true simply by wishing it to be so). In actual fact, if the question has been posed to a Christian in the first place, they can quickly discover that in fact the evidence DOES point to Jesus existing and the experts are overwhelmingly in favor of that conclusion. so he is not "believing against reason" in this case. the fundy atheist who embraces Mythicism, however, IS believing something against the expert consensus, against the evidence. they may sincerely believe there is a conspiracy within the historical profession to hide "the truth" just as a young earth creationist may believe there is a sinister conspiracy within the scientific community to cover up the "falsehood" of evolution, the big bang, etc. indicating an old earth. so they bear the burden of proof to show why we should accept the existence of this conspiracy. see the issue here? most of us are not fundamentalists of one stripe or another. we tend to go with what the evidence points to and what the experts agree on, if we consider these issues at all. once educated on an issue, it's pretty easy to go along with it if you're a normal person. most of us recognize we don't have perfect knowledge, and we can learn things and change our minds in light of new evidence. historyforatheists.com
@@HeroQuestFans What the F#$% is a "fundy atheist"? Are you 10 years old?
Wow your arguments are fallacious and irrational.
@@HeroQuestFans again mo proof of Jesus doing miracles
@@oddity4650 The stadium wants their goalposts back.
People are praying to a wall at night
I don't get it, if you don't believe in Jesus why do you watch these videos? I'm a christian
Kaylee Torres because they have nothing better to do with their time other than obsess over things they don’t believe in
Brad, then why do so many of these so called “critical thinkers” resorting to petty and personal insults and name calling? As well as ignoring valid information when it’s given to them?
Brad I wasn’t talking about you specifically, you are referring to atheists in general and I’m pointing out that the behavior of many of them isn’t demonstrative of what you are saying their intent is. If critical thinkers are trying to piece together evidence, then why do so many of these critical thinkers ignore said evidence and resort to ad hominem attacks? This is plain to see in the comments of this video and many others.
Brad.
There remains a gargantuan amount of history and validity that supports God as the one true God, with far more reason to believe than any other god that’s ever been worshipped or mentioned, and the Bible with its great validity that proves as such to be nothing less than a history book far more so than the Quran, the Torah and any other religious text that’s ever been written or read. Because we have 5000+ ancient manuscripts of the Bible, we have a great deal of evidence that the contents of each book of the Bible have been preserved and that the Bible has not been changed to make up for prophecy. The ancient manuscripts date all the way back to 250 BC and verify with the modern Christian Bible. The oldest of these manuscripts are the Dead Sea Scrolls. Muslims and some skeptics claim that the Bible has been changed or corrupted but secular historians have verified that the contents of each specific book have been preserved. Since the Christian Bible has not been changed and it has also told the future time and time again, we have evidence that the Bible is inspired by God. We find testimonies of atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. claiming they died, went to hell and came back because Jesus saved them. There are countless testimonies just on UA-cam alone and the people that ventured into the afterlife describe the Christian concept of life after death. If NDE’s were open to interpretation, we would find testimonies of people saying that when they died, they met Allah or Muhammad or Buddha. But since we only find testimonies of people saying they were saved from hell by Jesus, we have additional evidence that Christianity is the truth. When Muslims die, they don’t hallucinate about Allah and when Hindus die, they don’t hallucinate about reincarnation. What we see is the truth of Christianity being preached by those that died and came back. Besides the countless testimonies we have of near death experiences, we also have scientific research and evidence that verifies the existence of the afterlife. It is a historical fact that Jesus did exist, with 99-100% of scholars and historians relevant to the field acknowledging it. We have greater evidence for Jesus for Jesus' existence than we have for Alexander the Great, Tiberius Caesar and many other ancient historical figures. Altogether we have at least 42 authors that concern Jesus within the first 150 years of His life - which is absolutely incredible for ancient historical standards. We also have no early texts whatsoever that claim He didn't exist (If memory serves, such claims only surfaced in the 17th century...). Furthermore, I could run through the ontological, teleological arguments or the arguments from morality, history, the life death Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the eyewitness testimony to that, the myriads of intellectual genius's from Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Faraday, Pascal, Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard , Aquinas, Augustine etc. etc, who all believed in God and took the question to places the average man will never get to much less even understand in this life and still found it better to believe than not. But I would only mention those to show an intellectual defense of the Christian faith that I find satisfies the questions, but I don't think I or anyone else in this life will ever have perfect concrete knowing in this life, that's why the concept of faith rings true to me. God is a properly basic belief like the belief in the external world around us. God is self evident, like all men created equal is self evident. And at the end of the day the Christian story is the greatest story ever told. There is no better explanation for the big questions in life. There is great reason to believe in God, the father of Christ, and the word of the Bible as it has continuously proven through history to be an historical, nonfictional text, and yes there is also a great deal of evidence. For example, the bit that's discussed in these videos:
Archaeological Evidence proving the Bible true
ua-cam.com/video/TPLiKDciPi8/v-deo.html
How we know Jesus and the Early Church Existed
ua-cam.com/video/vQKxoBpV2NE/v-deo.html
Historical evidence for resurrection of Christ
ua-cam.com/video/A0iDNLxmWVM/v-deo.html
To add to those informative videos, I have a document with various sources, documents, and articles that take care of many of the claims and concerns from skeptics, and prove even further validity and evidence.
Resources for the skeptic : docs.google.com/document/d/1ZdtCKC2mUaKxL0_1Zf5BMO-un5ccKnad_JeLxXE3mIw/edit
As I’ve given just a taste of, the problem that atheists are faced with isn’t even close to a lack of evidence or history when acknowledging or researching Christianity. The problem that you and many other atheists have is the strong and stubborn refusal and opposition to believe in something greater than yourselves, and that great desire not to believe very often overpowers the atheist’s openness and willingness to take in, acknowledge with an open mind and heart, the very existent evidence and validity that is very much stacked against them and their often arrogant position and condescension towards Christians and religion as a whole.
Brad I typed this out awhile back and saved it, so while I did copy it, it is my own, however it’s all relevant and valid to the subject, but it’s much easier to have something saved then to type it all up and search for the sources again. Try again and address the valid info I provided please.
It is not a step in that direction because until you break the supernatural barrier, there is nothing special about him existing. My point was that some characters in some religions all really existed, and since there's no way we could prove anything supernatural (assuming you agree), it's just all totally trivial. I can accept every single non supernatural event and it will still give 0 credit to a supernatural cause.A new religion could potentially be more 'entrenched' than Christianity.
Actually there's a reason why the Bible is being used it's written by historians and also prophets of the time yes most pp at the time did not write Abt it bec in my opinion just like nowadays many pp had been executed innocently and many pp does black magic at the time so they simply just though it was black magic. And plus u don't need to read dabt it simply check the natural disasters reports and there really is a time recorded around Jesus crucifixion whereby there was a terrible earthquake the site clearly states during crucifixion
@Arexey, the only thing "special" about Jesus, in the viewpoint of the secular historian, would be that his life was responsible for creating one of the most influential and enduring religions on the planet today. so that in itself makes it important to establish as best we can, what we can know about his existence and life. but whether or not he existed, the fact remains of the influence of him. Still, even if he had not been influential at all, and his movement had died with him 2000 years ago he would still be "worth" studying as any figure of the past, since history is not merely concerned with studying "great men" who are "relevant to today's society." History can be used in a purely utilitarian manner, but it is not required that we do so. knowing whether Jesus or Gamiliel or Honi actually existed won't get us to Mars or isolate a medical cure for cancer, but it is still worth pursuing. and so far the evidence for historicity is far superior to the evidence for any of the proposed alternative "Myther" positions (such as that Jesus was invented by some Roman conspiracy, or that he was a magic mushroom, or a "judaized" version of dying and rising mystery cult savior gods, or a metaphor for the Sun, or an amalgam of various different historical figures, a visiting space alien, or some other kind of hoax, etc). the "silence" thesis, that we "just don't have enough evidence to say one way or the other" is probably the strongest "Myther" argument, but its insufficient in that if it were applied universally, it would erase pretty much every figure of antiquity since it raises the bar of evidence significantly (just to get rid of Jesus, so a fundy atheist can score points against modern Christianity they disagree with).
@@christopherkanghongong7029 Wow - barely an argument in that rant. Did you actually read what you posted?
@@HeroQuestFans Such a long BS word soup. I especially think the "(just to get rid of Jesus, so a fundy atheist can score points against modern Christianity they disagree with)." is laughable.
Care to actually build a proper syllogism we can address?
@@j-joe-jeans "Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people, otherwise there would be no religious people" Dr House, MD
I believe Jesus existed, our world calendar is literally based on his birth.
Whay confuses me is that even if Jesus was/isn’t real, then how does one explain the AD or BC footers in any history textbook? For as long as I can remember, we seemed to just always leave those as markings for one linear timeline that happened ages ago, and yet, humanity back then wasn’t nearly as civilized as we are now
@Amy - it's called google.
Once you find out for yourself how AD / BC was added many centuries after Christs' supposed death, you then have to ask yourself what calendaring systems were put in place PRIOR.
Here's a hint that'll lead you further w/ your google foo: The Chinese
Was there evidence in his speech? Everything he said can apply to any faith or cause; people get emboldened and stubborn in their beliefs over time.
A A not really. He didn’t have evidence. Since his basis can apply to multiple beliefs, it doesn’t help in figuring out which is correct or if there is a correct belief. Too vague and useless points.
@@Roberto-ku6ou why are u repling to yourself u got no life
@@duanebaron5238 why are you relying?
@@Roberto-ku6ou because i feel bad for you not having anyone to talk with
@@Roberto-ku6ou and he got evidence in this video it just went out your other ear
You ARE immature to demand evidence and yet present no compelling reason that your expectation of such data reveals more about the truth of the subject, than what has been presented by skilled professionals in their fields as evidence. You can nitpick for the literal in all the many allegories, parables, & largely symbolic passages (completely missing their point) all day, but it's simply your demand of what "evidence" IS (that justifies belief) that seems epistemologically incoherent.
we know Plato Aristotle Galileo existed, i just want to see accounts. i hope you think that youre not the cleverest lol
@@ElNiNjA246 Neither are you by demonstration.
Short answer: no
Long answer: no
Jesus never existed
Yeah, fuck historians, am I right?
Jesus lives
@@SonOfGod0600 Jesus delivered my amazon packages, he's from Brazil. He never claims to be a god
@@JustAGuyProduction Could you back up your claim? Give me a list of those historians and their credentials. That or I just got baited lol.
@@dillingerplan5663 proof jesus didn't exist: memegenerator.net/img/images/17057061.jpg
In a speech about "evidence", its offputting to have a man clearly speaking in a rhetorical form.
He does not answer the question at any point.
Yes he does, you just came here not wanting an answer to exist thus you’ve trained your mind to block it out.
@@MayberryDaze64 No he does not answer the question of whether there is evidence of Jesus existing as a being or as merely an avatar for the incarnation of christ principle. He ONLY discusses whether there is evidence of the figure Jesus being seen as divine by early Christians immediately after the founding of christianity as opposed to it happening gradually.
JAMES BOND Stop. He does an UNBIASED explanation of both views and opinions on the topic. He did a very good job.
He's a piece of shit.
Mike DiCiero wait , so can you tell me the answer from the video?? like summarize it for me cause I really couldn’t find him answering the question at any point ... please don’t give me some stupid response just give me the summarized answer ... IS THERE PROOF THAT JESUS CHRIST EXIST
Waste of time, don’t bother watching
Old stories and references to those old stories are not evidence that those old stories are true.
How is it true then?
All you need is faith man! Doing nothing and thinking about something is sure to change the outcome.
Also, to be more blunt, Pliny's letter does not have the name "Jesus" in there. Thus, his letter is only corroboration that Christianity existed around 115 CE in a few various places. Try again next time!
Why did y’all turn off commenting on your other video with this same title, the one about the Josephus quote _(Testimonium Flavianum)?_ Was it because people were pointing out how that’s a known forgery, and we even know who forged it (Bishop Eusebius, who practically bragged about it)?
That's fine for you, but why did Paul invite people to interrogate witnesses that Jesus had returned from the dead? He did not merely say to look inside yourself for a feeling. I think Paul was correct, and people who follow his advice will have a lot more success in witnessing.
he did not get their signatures notarized.
There are the eyewitness accounts and the Creed as iterated by the Apostle Paul in I Cor. 15, Pliny, Josephus, others as follows:
The first is from Tacitus (55-120). He was a Roman Senator and historian who wrote several important works, among them one known as the Annals. In that work he tells about Christians in Rome and states "Christus, the founder of the name [Christian], was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius."(15.44) (The numbers at the end of each quote indicate where it may be found in that work.)
The second is from Suetonius (69 - died some time after 122), a Roman historian and secretary to the emperor Hadrian (ruled from 117-138). In his book, The Lives of the Twelve Caesars, he wrote concerning the emperor Claudius, "As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome."(25.4) This reference from Suetonius may match with an incident in which the emperor expelled Jews and that is found in Acts 18:2: "There [Paul] met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome." It must be noted that some believe Chrestus does not refer to Jesus Christ but to an individual named "Chrestus." Yet the verse from Acts would give validity to Suetonius’ reference being to Jews who had become Christians.
The third reference to Jesus by Josephus is short and is also from the Antiquities [and most scholars believe it is authenticate]: "[Festus] assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as law-breakers, he delivered them over to be stoned." (20.9.1)
+Scott gregery I did read the manuscript of Josephus and Tacitus...they were oven prforgeries...and I still can’t see how you come to that conclusion., NO ONE of ALL this “evidence” is of actual eye witnesses, nothing but hearsay past from one person to another.Unbelievable! Religious fanatics will believe anything
Scott gregery you said there were "eyewitness accounts' . No there are not.
Scott gregery
The problems with this passage should be obvious to anyone with even a casual knowledge of Josephus…. He was thoroughly and ineluctably Jewish and certainly never converted to be a follower of Jesus. But this passage contains comments that only a Christian would make: that Jesus was more than a man, that he was the messiah, and that he arose from the dead in fulfillment of the scriptures. In the judgment of most scholars, there is simply no way Josephus the Jew would or could have written such things. So how did these comments get into his writings?
Josephus was an elite Jew, born in Jerusalem a few years after Jesus’ alleged crucifixion. He served as a Jewish military leader in Galilee, the very place alleged to have been home to Jesus. Josephus’ father, MATTHIAS, was of Jewish royalty and lived during the alleged life of Jesus, in Jerusalem, the very town in which many of Jesus’ main events were supposed to have transpired. It is curious that Josephus’ father NEVER MENTIONED A MIRACLE WORKER BY THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARETH.
Also, Matthias followed his paternal ancestors and served as a PRIEST IN THE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM. He was an aristocratic priest. One of his duties was to oversee the affairs of the Jewry in Jerusalem and Palestine during the Roman occupation.
1. Over 500 people saw Jesus after the resurrection according to the bible.
2. Jesus fed over 5,000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish and not a single person wrote about any of his miracles. There's nothing historical about Jesus and the bible.
The Apostle Paul and His Times: Christian History Timeline
c. 20-30 Studies Torah in Jerusalem with Gamaliel; becomes a Pharisee
c. 30-33 Persecutes Christians......BUT NEVER HEARD ABOUT JESUS ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE UNTIL AFTER THE RESURRECTION.
The fact that a census was not written down anywhere by a highly sophisticated empire that took meticulous records of everything from wages to Roman soldiers, to trials and other official local events should be an issue but isn't.
The bible says the Jesus character was famous: Yet no one writes about him during his life.
Mark 1:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And immediately his (FAME SPREAD ABROAD THROUGHOUT ALL THE REGION ROUND ABOUT GALILEE).
Luke 4:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a (FAME OF HIM THROUGH ALL THE REGION ROUND ABOUT).
Luke 5:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and (GREAT MULTITUDES) came together to hear, and to be healed by him of their infirmities.
John 11:45King James Version (KJV)
45 (THEN MANY OF THE JEWS) which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, (BELIEVED ON HIM)
Again.. second hand stories.. not 1st. If I write about some nutter who claims he was a sausage .. someone reading said letter can't claim there was a human sausage in 2000 years time
itsatz you are wrong
Bibles should be in the fiction section of libraries. It's not meant to be taken seriously. It was written to inspire Jews against Roman rule.
John 14:12 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
If this is true, then why aren’t Christians raising people from the dead, healing the deaf and blind, cursing fig trees, walking on water, and turning water to wine?
It’s because Jeezus is a fraud, that’s why!
Des Gardius 2012 you know Jesus was real right
Jesus was without sin, and he also truly, without a shadow of a doubt, knew God was real for a fact, and therefor believed. The bible also says that for whoever believes they can move a mountain, the mountain will move. If you have the slightest doubt that God can do this for you, it will not happen.
So what you're saying is that Christians cannot do miracles? I myself have witnessed miracles. For example, I knew a guy who's leg was two inches shorter than the other. He was in his twenties, and walked with crutches. One day he asked me to pray for him, and I did. I believed without a doubt that God could heal this man's leg. While we where sitting there, we watched his leg start to grow out. It was one of the most unbelievable things I had ever seen. Since then he hasn't needed crutches.
Another thing to note is that the bible has a LOT of metaphors, so not everything that you read means what you think.
You haven't seen alot of what happens. I've seen cancers fall off people in Jesus name. And I've heard many testimonies about people who died and came back. So don't fool ya self fam
Because Jesus Christ was not historical. He is in man as mans wonderful imagination. There is no other Jesus Christ. To the imagination all things are possible because it is the mouth of God. First came the word(reality). This is why Christ must die and resurrect to save man. In other words you cannot that your current personality into a new personal reality.
Des Gardius The most important work in these last days is that of preaching and disciple-making. In fact, Jesus foretold that his disciples would do works even greater than his! (John 14:12) He did not mean that we would perform miracles as he did. Rather, his followers would preach and teach in a larger territory, to more people, and for a longer period of time than he did.
in other words... no
Yes there is
McJuggerNuggets is life where? I’d like to see.
This video is great and I recommend checking it out as it demonstrates secular sources outside of the Bible and outside of Christianity that attest to the existence of Jesus:
ua-cam.com/video/vQKxoBpV2NE/v-deo.html
Nabeel Hussain huh?
Truth Rejecter,
I could run through the ontological, teleological arguments or the arguments from morality, history, the life death Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the eyewitness testimony to that, the myriads of intellectual genius's from Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Faraday, Pascal, Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard , Aquinas, Augustine etc. etc, who all believed in God and took the question to places the average man will never get to much less even understand in this life and still found it better to believe than not. But I would only mention those to show an intellectual defense of the Christian faith that I find satisfies the questions, but I don't think I or anyone else in this life will ever have perfect concrete knowing in this life, that's why the concept of faith rings true to me. God is a properly basic belief like the belief in the external world around us. God is self evident, like all men created equal is self evident. And at the end of the day the Christian story is the greatest story ever told. There is no better explanation for the big questions in life. There is great reason to believe in God, the father of Christ, and the word of the Bible as it has continuously proven through history to be an historical, nonfictional text, and yes there is also a great deal of evidence. For example, the bit that's discussed in these videos:
Archaeological Evidence proving the Bible true
ua-cam.com/video/TPLiKDciPi8/v-deo.html
How we know Jesus and the Early Church Existed
ua-cam.com/video/vQKxoBpV2NE/v-deo.html
Historical evidence for resurrection of Christ
ua-cam.com/video/A0iDNLxmWVM/v-deo.html
To add to those informative videos, I have a document with various sources, documents, and articles that take care of many of the claims and concerns from skeptics, and prove even further validity and evidence.
Resources for the skeptic : docs.google.com/document/d/1ZdtCKC2mUaKxL0_1Zf5BMO-un5ccKnad_JeLxXE3mIw/edit
If Jesus was real or not it does not prove any miracles
Let me save you some time. The answer is no.
How did you come to that conclusion?
@@joesteele3159 all bits of evidence found at a date far later than the event occurred are always up for speculation in a crime investigation due to aging memory, death of witnesses etc this is the standard for regular people. Now, outside of the bible, there have only been a couple of people to report on jesus. Josephus, and Tacitus claim eyewitness accounts, thast being said they reported these "Eyewitness accounts" nearly 100 years after Jesus was reported dead, thus marking them completely invalid. If there is so much evidence that Cesar or king Herod existed, why so little to no evidence of even the real life existense of the "King of Kings", no record at all of any resurrection , or life after coming back? The fact that the only accounts about him were all written so much later and with varying information in the only book that even speaks of him, (other than the Qur'an but that was written much later) should make it evident to us as educated modern people that the story is mostly a tall tale so common of primitive folk 2000+years ago in the middle east.
@@Mr.Classic91 I can definitely understand why it would seem suspicious. But I would point out that evidence is still evidence even if it's from a terribly unreliable source. It might be a complete sham but then there might be something to it. The only way to really know is to dig deeper. A lot deeper.
Off topic question but my curiosity has me wondering. Is Mr. Tuba your real name or is that a nickname?
@@joesteele3159 the only religious ideal i wont contest is "i dont know". Being sure you know wrhat happens after we die is stupid and dangerous. Also, lol no it became a nickname but it was originally a randomly generated gamertag i was assigned
@@Mr.Classic91 So you you're not an expert tuba player? Lol
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled the Word of Life. For the life was manifested and we have seen it and bear witness”
Noahs boat what a joke.
So Mr George17 has read the book of John in the New Testament... so? I continue to be astounded that any literate or moderately intelligent or half educated person ca think that merely quoting from someone else's writing (especially writings by an anonymous author nearly two thousand years ago which has been subject toi numerous dubious translations and re-translations by equally anonymous scribes with known biases and agendas) can be used as an argument for any position other than "we don't know".
@James Henry Smith Plenty of fake Christians out there
@James Henry Smith I would disagree far more fake lukewarm Christian’s, Christ tells us few will enter the Kingdom
@@goerge1742 what kingdom?
Jesus is not bad because he is not real I am not trying to harm christians but he is a copy of my god LORD KRISHNA
U trippin bruh
Jesus is very fake and I don't believe in him at all but I rather believe in him than that krishna motherfucker. that's why India is the land of filth, poverty, bad smells, and ugly brown dark faces.
No, I don't think it's pointless to argue the existence of someone who matters that much to so many millions of people. It matters because logically if Christ didn't exist, then such faith in Him and His teachings are in vain. His mere existence doesn't prove His divinity/powers, but it sure as heck is a step in that direction vs. nonexistence. And no, it's not in the resting place of other religions, not even close. Christianity(NT) is FAR MORE historically entrenched vs. any other religion.
cleverest the other day I was just the way you are not a good time to get a little bit more time with you on this forum is not an intended recipient please delete the original owner of a little more than one of my resume for your help me
I'm more interested in whether he existed as a being or merely an avatar for the incarnation of christ principle. The latter would point to an earlier influence blended with the monotheism of Judaism/zoroastrianism.
Timothy Smaglick I love everything you said except us true Christians aren’t apart of a religion... we believe in Christ and follow Him, we do not follow religion. I just want others that read this comment know that because sooo many people always say “what makes your religion any different from other religions?” “What makes yours true & unique?”
There's no evidence inside or outside the bible, as the gospel is no evidence.
fisterklister Did you not watch the video at all? He named numeral sources external to the Bible....
You shouldn't be allowed to comment before watching the video...
fisterklister, You didn’t watch the video
Fisterklister you stupid fuck watch the video then comment
@@rockybutler lol
The sound quality is bad and his English accent combined is almost unbearable although I'm interested in the content. I made it about 1/4 of the way through. There are other videos on this subject so I decided to "jump ship". Sorry. Maybe someone - like the one who made it - can work on the audio to improve its quality.
Mainstream historians (religious and non-religious) generally agree that it is reasonable to believe that Jesus existed. We can't be 100% sure but I would concur with them.
As for the miracles, that's another story. Here we move into the realm of faith and leave the company of mainstream historians.
I think it's OK to have faith in a Divine Jesus. The problem arises when one tries to force their irrational beliefs on others (which rarely works anyway). Although I do believe it's completely rational to believe there is a God/Divine force/Grand designer. One can't be completely sure of this but most of what we believe is based on very dubious evidence anyway.
I believe that faith in Jesus can help connect some people to this Divine force/power at the ground of reality.
People connect with their higher power in different ways and a mature faith can see the many paths to God (although I hasten to emphasize "many" paths not "all" paths).
@@mikewilt7857 "Paul's writings in Galatians bring out that Abraham and Moses were allegories." WHAT?!? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Logo ligit looks like an overpowered wifi
There wouldn’t be atheists if God didn’t exist. May Jesus Bless you guys
By that logic, there wouldn't be famine, disease, baby-killing, dismemberment, etc ... if God didn't exist.
there wouldnt be atheists if theists didnt exist
errr you understand the christian god claim is one of tens of thousands of different gods... Atheism is a single stand on a single point, a lack of belief in gods due to no evidence, silly we even need a word for it after all we dont go around calling ourselves antiunicorns
Some Greek & Roman sources Thallos, an author from antiquity gives the earliest possible reference for Jesus, from approximately 55 AD. He’s quoted in his lost 3 part history of the Mediterranean, mentioning an eclipse the date of the crucifixion which some claim could be the darkness that supposedly fell the day Jesus died (Matthew 27:45):When Julius Africanus writes about the darkness at the death of Jesus, he added: “In the 3rd (book) of his histories, Thallos calls this darkness an eclipse of the sun, which seems to me to be wrong. Roman writer Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus Pliny the Younger a powerful Roman lawyer, senator & intellectual famed for his letters which were turned into ten popular books. Tacitus is generally accepted as the greatest Roman historian. In his Annals, he mentions Christ, Mara Bar Serapion, Lucian of Samosata and Famed NeoPlatonist writer Celsus that's 7 that I know of.
So 22/23 years later?
pete Walsh Alexander the great was not written abt till 300 years later.
@@hellooutthere8956 That isnt even close to being true, that he was written about extensively during and after his time, that is a myth put about by christains to try and justify the zero info about jesus
Taticus was referring to tales he had heard from somebody else about christains not christ, and your other evidence is in some lost writings somebody maybe saw an eclipse...
@@wynwilliams6977 Tacitus gave a Historical and factual account of Christ. He gave the time, place, and who was ruling in that exact time Christ was murdered. Christ existed, it is up to you, to believe and Love him.
I don't see how references to the religion do anything to support the existence of Jesus of history. I think we can safely say that if there was a Jew named Yeshua who was the historical Jesus then he was clearly almost nothing like what people today believe Christ was.
I watched this video for 3 minutes and still didn’t hear anything regarding the title...
You are focusing on the wrong..focus on love and Perdue god and he will show himself..god loves you all :) if u wanna know god start with the evil one
Blaise B. Huh
(cont'd) If you wish to dispute the majority of trained historians at large, I'd like an at least equally plausible source to dismiss their learned views, or I am better off rejecting your own as "less credible" (and so I do)
You can study the works that have been done.
You can take the witness of Peter and James to Paul.
You can take the fact that these men's eye witness of a crucified, then risen Jesus.
You can take the conversion of Paul.
You can take the acceptance, even by atheists,
That the writings date all the way back.
You can take the Creed's of the sects.
These are valid writings.
But Josephus and tacitus are non believers and wrote about Him.
You could take the shear number of copyist works written off the originals that survive.
You can listen to scholars and historians.
You can travel there and find the sites that Ron Wyatt dug up.
You can watch the videos made by Wyatt's wife that captured his testimony and video of his finds.
If you can't figure that out.
God hasn't drawn you to be a saved soul and you can go back to whatever you do in your denial that makes you happy on Earth till the time comes.
You choose.
so it is a choice one makes freely?
@@playtime5051 a choice is a choice, the wrong choice is eternal just as Is the right one.
You have a time to find the truth and if you yearn for it, it will come to you.
Lots of witnesses had this experience, others differ, that's between a person and his God.
@@dannylinc6247 That is excellent!
I agree 100 percent. It is personal.
Not for others to worry about for you correct? As in going around like the Mormons and Muslims whom infuse their religion with their state. Violating our most sacred American right. Separation of Church and State. Give us liberty from other's beliefs or give us death. That is why only the secular should ever hold office. Religious people want others to believe as they do. They don't practice the most sacred oath placing our country before anything else. I served in the USMC. I put the constitution ahead of any one of a hundred different religions bibles. There are religious idiots that go around trying to get people converted. The violates a person's personal journey. If God gives you free will -then leave that person alone to find their own way. Besides America's God is Columbia - She is a fusion of Columbus as a mythological indian Goddess.
pagangrove.wordpress.com/2016/07/05/columbia-the-goddess-of-america/
@@playtime5051 wow, you have a whole bunch of information to find out.
The idea of sep, church, state, is that the government cannot establish a religion or make you give to theirs or participate.
That's not held as a God given right, but rather an idea discussed between Jefferson and people in England that was adopted to protect the people from their government.
We are a nation under God that began with a prayer.
No specific religion or denomination is expected of anyone, but judeo/Christian values and the king James bible are the basis in the thoughts of our founders.
You make your own choices, but don't try and take God out of where the founders held Him dear.
"One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
That's not a religion, which is a method people practice to worship God.
Our pledge is pointing out the founders viewpoint as they founded a constitutional republic.
They referred to it as their great experiment and they made the people, Cited as those who are striving for a perfect union of the colonies and territories they lived in.
The fact that fairness and equality are strived for by the people continues to grow and change, but the founders knew the commandments of God from their king James bible. And so it is our basis for right and wrong.
Noone should try to make you attend church or give.
They must leave it to your parents, teachers, and leaders to set a good example and voters need to be able to make changes and have their bill of rights.
Look at all the wrongs, they happen when we ignore God and basic values held by our founders.
There is masonic influence but not so in the documents as it is in architecture.
You can learn more about what was said, and by whom by listening to CSN or asking questions on "to Every Man an Answer" I have heard much discussion there on these topics and the historical evidence for what I am saying. On that network.
It's so difficult to get true news today and hear from God fearing men, so I recommend them.
@@dannylinc6247 We are a nation under God that began with a prayer. That is added to later dogma
A mention of Jesus in reference to Christianity in Jewish writings 80 years after his death is not proof of Jesus actual existence. It only proves that there were people who were worshiping Christianity.
There are no non-biblical or even biblical writings of Jesus life at the time he was alive. The apostle Paul is the only person who wrote of Jesus who actually could have known him and he did not do so until 40 years after his death. Paul may have actually embellished true events or made up the whole story to save Christianity.
There are no other writings about the life and times of Jesus Christ.
There is no proof of god and that's ok. There is no need of proof to have faith.
Personally I don't believe part of it. Even if there was a creator it isn't what any current religion thinks that's for sure.
***** It's not a position. Evolution has both of those kinds of evidence. The genetics alone prove it.
Paul's first letter was about 20 years later not 40
Nathan Hill How do you know this?
+sevenrats I have an honest question. If Jesus didn't exist that would mean his 12 apostles wouldn't have existed either. And do we know the historicity of them?
This is a rambling rant of what I think happened regarding Jesus, historically. TL;DR = he existed, preached mostly meaningless fables; got crucified for 1 day, let down nearly dead, recovered in the tomb, lost faith in God, fled Jerusalem and lived somewhere else or died of infection due to the sword wound.
I believe that there is NO GOD, but Jesus did indeed exist, he went around Galilee, Jerusalem etc preaching fables and rhetoric; that sounded good but ultimately had no real meaning other than some moral tales - say the ancient equivalent of a Star Trek episode.
He may have had autism or some strange personality quirk, that led him to not understand when he was irritating powerful and dangerous people. I would say maybe he was a bit mentally slow; but some of his sayings do show wit and intelligence (these may however have been made up by the Gospel writers)
Jesus ultimately gathered a small following, so would go and preach with them. I think he did annoy the Jewish authorities - he didn't preach 100% approved doctrine, and he interfered with business (the incident with the money changers probably did happen). We don't know if he did claim to be God; the Jewish autorities probably claimed to the Romans that Jesus claimed to be rightful king/ruler and so the Romans reluctantly got rid of him.
He was then crucified (the gospels even disagree on what day, which shows how reliable they are...) - but as a storm was brewing, the Roman soldiers in charge wanted the deed done so they could get out of the rain. As Jesus had been heavily scourged beforehand he was unresponsive on the Cross, so they didn't bother breaking his legs and waiting for him to die; they wanted it over so they stabbed him in the side. I believe they inflicted a non fatal (or a not immediately fatal) wound with this stab, and Jesus was unconscious and close to death at this stage.
The Bible doesn't state that Jesus was on the Cross for any more than a day, and the normal Crucifixion timescale could be 3 days or more. Usually the victim ran out of energy and suffocated, or to speed up the process the Romans broke the victims legs so they couldn't support their weight. There are stories of Romans surviving cruxificion after 3 days after recieving a Pardon - one upper class Roman saw one of his old friends on a Cross - he had been there for 2 days. He petitioned the Emperor for a pardon and got one - the man was taken down from the Cross and after a period of healing, made a full recovery. Another story tells of 3 men being pardoned after 3 days - 1 survived, 2 did not recover.
So Jesus followers had asked for his body; the Romans thought he was dead but stabbed him in the side to make sure, and took down his body for Jesus's followers. He was still alive but with the rain etc he felt cold and his followers thought he was dead. They then placed his body inside a tomb (note they did not bury him) Inside the tomb he regained consciousness and slowly recovered. After 3 days of recovering he left the tomb (as for how he moved the rock, perhaps he was able to shout to a guard on the outside - perhaps he was buried with food offerings that he ate). The fact he still had his wounds also lends credence to this theory.
He went and visited his apostles who were amazed but likely felt bad that they had abandoned Jesus. No idea if they actually believed Jesus had risen from the dead, or if they knew he hadn't actually died at all.
I think Jesus then rightly knew, that if the Romans found him, they would not see him as God who conquered Death - they would instead realize they had botched his Crucifixion - and they would this time put him to death properly.
So, after seeing his apostles, in order not to dissapoint them - he made up "I am going to be with God now" - and fled far, far away. It could even be that the sword wound was actually serious - and he recovered from the trauma of crucifixion, only to pass out and die of an infection caused by punctured intestines - maybe he was then buried as an unknown.
Maybe if Jesus did infact think he really was the Messiah - after being Crucified he realized he was nothing special at all (which is why he said My Lord, Why have you forsaken me?" - which I believe he really did say) - maybe he even lost faith in God entirely after being flogged and crucified. So he went somewhere else and became an Indian philosopher, or studied the Greeks, or perhaps went back to making cabinets and chairs. The fact that the Gospels disagree on what Jesus said during the crucifixion shows that most of it is made up. Him saying he is thirsty and him asking why God forsook him I believe are the only genuine ones.
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@@delinseurn yep. plus MJ diddled little boys. two truths in one reply.
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Hahaha you can be a good story teller. Unfortunately, your story lacks basic knowledge of the Roman culture and in-depth reading of the four gospels.
@@viktorkibet1171 Do you believe in the TRUE messiah, Joseph Smith of the LDS Church? He brought Jesus to the Americas and it is Joseph Smith you will be judged by when you die. The Bible has been corrupted and the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on Earth, even more so than the Bible. Do you believe in the Book of Mormon; the Pearl of Great Price and the D&C's?
On high there is God (Elohim), below that reports Joseph Smith. Jesus then reports to Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was ordained by God - it was the second thing God did after creating the Earth; even before he imagined Jesus.
If you ask God this with sincerity he will give you a burning in the bosom - you will know it is the truth - or end up in Outer Darkness.
I can't believe the sound is so bad. I cannot understand a word he is saying.
its already 2019.Gods?dude are you serious?
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sorry for spelling mistake
Have an open mind. With how big and eternal the universe is, both god and no god are equal possibilities. If religion can help people to become better and do good in the world, I see no issue. Just the fact that he COULD exist is enough to make me want to be a more moral human.
@@Musicwmatty there are no gods just powerful beings who declare themselves god
@@shivanshsharma72hh define oxymoron. Every god, or as you define them, powerful beings, were created by other powerful beings before them. We too can transcend to that... If we earn it
I love Jesus, always n forever, my feet is grounded no dout what so Eva..one day hopefully uz will wake up
Find proof and we will
Psa 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
reading some fiction boring book, huh? it doesn't make any sense. the bible is a statements book with lies
@@nelsonjoseph279 only a fool would believe that a 2k year old book is something you can base your whole life around and that a heart can think or talk
@@waifu_png_pl6854 when driving a car and you been caught by a cop, they ask you for a proof will you show your photos with your car to prove it's your or will show the written documents to prove it is your car.. same thing to prove if you own a house 🏠 .. you see a written document is necessary for any claims.. so is the Bible written proof of who God is and what he has done for mankind... Read it for yourself don't be ignorant of your life.. which is gift of God to you you haven't created yourself, you belong to God (JESUS) turn to him.
Even atheists admit Jesus existed at least in a historical way. Everyone believes different ways he existed but he did exist
So there is actual evidence of zombies....damn
Funny thing is Jesus is not the first to raise from the dead, apparently a Jewish Rabbi who died in the 1950s has been seen and heard in Israel again, so maybe Zombies are among us lol
@@christineayres7094 I heard Jesus's ressurected body could pass through solid walls. Sound like your average zombie?
@@meta4zs There is no proof of any religious claims. We have this new modern thing that actually works - it's called science. Though the bible is a useful tool to divide people with.