@@LeftyTheHefty the belgium f-16a in the french tech tree is this same plane at 13.3, but instead of 6 aim-9ls it gets 6 aim-9ms. The gripen A gets 12 times as many flares, HMD, radar missiles, better flight model, and its at 13.0. im so excited for it!
My guy the F-16A has the best flight preformance even out of the 13.7 gen 4s, it absolutely manhandles the gripen in a turn fight. The F-16A is great. Its better than the Su-27 (which belongs at a much lower br due to its garbage flight model alone) @LeftyTheHefty.
@@BufferThunderthe F-16A has a better flight model than the gripen. People just don't know how to dogfight and suck at it, a good f16a pilot will beat a good gripen pilot every time in a 1v1, the F-16A just points it's nose way better.
The problem is planes that has fox-3 missles should not be facing off against those that dont. Both the F-16A and F-16 ADF absolutely suffer because of this, nearly unplayable.
This was rough to watch. Very informative, tho! Great timing for me as well, I just unlocked F-15A a week ago and about 20k away from F-15C. I feel I made the right decision now going F-15 first over F-16. I know F-16C is touted to be the best, but I can't take any more suffering after trying to spade this F-15A. It's been rough going, your F-16A looked MISERABLE. Thanks for the vid!
I believe a strength of this plane is rate fighting, also when you start off in a match it generally helps if you don’t go straight down the middle because then you don’t have your team with you. Another thing is that you should try to get behind them before you turn around, keep flying straight so an f14 doesn’t get on your six like that one match
my friend who is lvl 66 in war thunder unlocked this plane after the fox 3 update and used it quite a lot and has a kdr of 1.1 even though he is quite unexperienced at that br so i dont see a huge problem here, plus just multipath if you have problems with the radar missiles and you will be fine like him. honestly just skill issue
I actually fully spaded the F15A and F16C and am yet to fully spade the F16A... Now I'm working on the F-15C. That F16A is just in a really bad rating bracket
I misspoke, I meant doesn't have a PD HDV mode, only SRC. I'll be more specific next time not that it matters as this thing doesn't have any radar missiles anyway
@@LeftyTheHefty ah, that makes sense. it is wild how they think a plane with only IR missiles is equivalent to planes that get both long range fox 1s and all aspect IRs at the same br.
@@SenratoUmi it's called having a flight model leagues better than the competition. Nothing at or below its br can hold a candle to it when you don't just try to full pull every person you see. Top that off with the second best non-irccm missile in the game, and you're a complete menace
Buddy, the F4s are already cooked. F4J, F4S, F4J(UK) and other phantoms at the same BR already suffer from the addition of the new F-14. An F-16 at a lower BR with only Aim-9Ls is the least of the phantom players concern. When they have to go against the new Persian tomcat addicts with their stupid Fakour missiles and R-27s, I don’t think an F-16 at a lower BR is a disadvantage for the phantoms.
10:47 Here’s a tip you can cancel out the over g by pushing the nose down in a quick so you can keep turning if you watch some warthunder UA-camrs you can see them do it
@LeftyTheHefty I'd highly suggest watching DEFYN or General Lee. I'm not trying to make fun of you, it's a video game after all. But you're pretty bad if you don't know such a basic piece of tech. It explains a lot of your opinions
@@LeftyTheHefty I aint good x.x but i recommend keeping radar off the whole time since you cant use it, 2 drop tanks and 16 min of fuel! that way you can drop them for emergencies
honestly f-16a should probably go 12.0 or 12.3 but not lower and the adf should go to probably 12.3 too or 12.7 they dont have many flares or many crazy good missles the only good thing they got going for them is the flight performance and the vulcan flight performance does not matter tho until you get close
To say this belongs at a lower br because dOgFiGhTiNg Is DeAd is just outright naive. The US thought dogfighting was dead in Vietnam too, and their shiny new missile bus got rolled by Mig 15s and 17s. When I play the Mig 29A, most of my kills come from gun kills and the fm is considerably worse compared to the F16A (not that it's terrible, the F16A is just that much better than the competition. I miss my old fm where I could pull more aoa than a mig 21) Most of the community are too braindead to know how to cope with radar missiles or try to learn, so they think of them as the godly be-all-end-all. To be honest it makes me understand why the snail doesn't listen to the community on a lot of things
the f-16a block 10 does not belong at 11.0, it is the other junk on it's br that has to go up! the j7e IS like a mig21 bis and a mig19s had an aryan child and the pl5b's can kill MLD's head on from quite far away but that's another issue. Just because the j7e is batshiz op doesn't mean the f16a block 10 suffers. What it should though instead is get aim9m and AIM120A's in the future since it was designed for it.
yeah the thumb was meant to be a joke but IMO it's still too high. I 9Ms with IRCCM would make it more appropriate at 12.7 but there are also people in these comments saying it should be higher as-is so I don't even know anymore. I just assume the snail knows best and that it's a skill issue on my part just seems crazy to me that the F-14B sits at the same BR and I would prefer that thing in almost every situation
@@LeftyTheHefty people just keep ranting about american top tiers as if they were the horrendous undertiered nightmares of rank 4 and below. To add insult to injury, Belgian F-16 is the one that should have aim9j, the American one used them as test for avionics, they never saw service since the f-100d, which carries the aim9e which used only in avionics testing. Same for the Phantoms.
@@FutureGohanGlazer every us aircraft with capacity to launch aim9 missiles can install and operate with every single variant of the aim9. The F-4E launched aim9m's and aim7m's, why wouldn't the F-16a block 10? the block 50's main weapon isn't even the aim9m, it's the aim9x.
12.0 is too low imo. Even if missiles aren't as good as they used to be it's still probably the best ir missile that doesnt have irccm aside from the python 3 and fm is crazy and one of the best
@@shikikanaz4624 it has no radar missiles tho and since multi pathing has changed you’re going to die to radar missiles most of the time even when you’re 2in above the ground
@@itzzmadness-_-6712 12.3 is probably a bit too low for a jet like this. we cant forget that this still has one if not the best fm for a top tier jet. sure aim9Ls arent like what they used to be but its still plenty strong so i reckon 12.7 should be ok. the only problem is getting the message to gaijin to make a change in the first place
sometime you should grind the attacker tree, the av-8b+ is ridiculously good edit: headon mode for pd radars is worse than just pd, it picks people up the same as headon from front aspect but can also easily pick people up rear aspect while hdn has a hard time doing it
Headon mode is better for acquiring targets in head on aspects... hence the name.. headon.... different modes are there for different situations. Had countless situations where switching to headon let me track people that my radar otherwise wasn't picking up before
@@frumpsterfire yah its good in a dogfight but who is dogfighting beyond 10.3/10.7 its all radar missiles and the F-16A doesnt have radar missiles therefore it should be lowered to at least 12.0 or at most 12.3
@frumpsterfire I disagree with 12.0 as the flight performance would be too superior, but because it only has Fox 2's I think 12.3 would be a good spot, it wouldn't have IRCCM missiles like some attackers do and wouldn't have any BVR
it has the best flightmodel in the game and absolutely dominates the shit out of the 12.7 Sim matchmaker. play the MiG-29 stockgrind with the worst 4th gen flightmodel and then tell me this aircraft is supposed to be 11.0
![This Plane Is Actually Here... | F-16A [Apex Predators]](/img/n.gif)
Saying an f-16 with 6 aim-9ls BELONGS at 11.0 HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST WILD CLAIM IVE EVER HEARD
I was half kidding
however the other half thinks this POS should be at 1.0
@@LeftyTheHefty the belgium f-16a in the french tech tree is this same plane at 13.3, but instead of 6 aim-9ls it gets 6 aim-9ms. The gripen A gets 12 times as many flares, HMD, radar missiles, better flight model, and its at 13.0. im so excited for it!
My guy the F-16A has the best flight preformance even out of the 13.7 gen 4s, it absolutely manhandles the gripen in a turn fight. The F-16A is great. Its better than the Su-27 (which belongs at a much lower br due to its garbage flight model alone) @LeftyTheHefty.
@@BufferThunderthe F-16A has a better flight model than the gripen. People just don't know how to dogfight and suck at it, a good f16a pilot will beat a good gripen pilot every time in a 1v1, the F-16A just points it's nose way better.
Imagine flying the Netz at 13.0 😢
The problem is planes that has fox-3 missles should not be facing off against those that dont. Both the F-16A and F-16 ADF absolutely suffer because of this, nearly unplayable.
Totally agree. My poor German migs can't be played at all
Don’t seem to have that problem with the mig 29 at 12.7 or even the mig29g at 13.0, it doesn’t get a majority of 13.7 games
3:45 r27 jumpscare
Man i just found you and you are def one of my favorite war thunder youtubers now, you crack me up, keep the grind going man!
This was rough to watch. Very informative, tho! Great timing for me as well, I just unlocked F-15A a week ago and about 20k away from F-15C. I feel I made the right decision now going F-15 first over F-16. I know F-16C is touted to be the best, but I can't take any more suffering after trying to spade this F-15A. It's been rough going, your F-16A looked MISERABLE. Thanks for the vid!
You definitely did. The F-15A is godlike and the F-15C is even better
3:46 the misile flyby is just amazing
I believe a strength of this plane is rate fighting, also when you start off in a match it generally helps if you don’t go straight down the middle because then you don’t have your team with you. Another thing is that you should try to get behind them before you turn around, keep flying straight so an f14 doesn’t get on your six like that one match
yeah I thought I was behind them at that point lmao, that's probably a better way to play this aircraft. Thanks for the tips king
my friend who is lvl 66 in war thunder unlocked this plane after the fox 3 update and used it quite a lot and has a kdr of 1.1 even though he is quite unexperienced at that br so i dont see a huge problem here, plus just multipath if you have problems with the radar missiles and you will be fine like him. honestly just skill issue
I actually fully spaded the F15A and F16C and am yet to fully spade the F16A...
Now I'm working on the F-15C.
That F16A is just in a really bad rating bracket
bro this thing is at the right spot in the Br bracket 11.0 is F5 tier
This thing should be reserve br!!!! Nice vid man love ur bgm ❤ keep up🔥
SMH you must be awful also if your agreeing with this Idiot!
The F-16A has the best flight model out of all the gen 4s, just because it doesn't have good missiles doesnt make it bad
nah its not. F-16AJ is even lighter and better than F-16A but still not best flight model when compared to Gripen
@pheaktra_ depends, the gripen is better in a rate fight, 2 circle, and wide rolling scissors, the f16a demolished it in the 1 circle.
@@pheaktra_ yes and no, the gripen is a delta wing which means that whilst it does turn like an ufo it also bleeds ALL speed in 1 circle
28:00 "no pulse doppler"
28:30 Looks at radar display, it has pulse doppler.
I misspoke, I meant doesn't have a PD HDV mode, only SRC. I'll be more specific next time
not that it matters as this thing doesn't have any radar missiles anyway
@@LeftyTheHefty ah, that makes sense.
it is wild how they think a plane with only IR missiles is equivalent to planes that get both long range fox 1s and all aspect IRs at the same br.
@@SenratoUmi it's called having a flight model leagues better than the competition. Nothing at or below its br can hold a candle to it when you don't just try to full pull every person you see. Top that off with the second best non-irccm missile in the game, and you're a complete menace
as a us main ima be honest feels like im cheating using US jets. suffering from success if you will
most of them are really good, this one just doesn't do it for me
lol just unlocked the f16x while waching the video randomly
hell yeah brother
It really csnt go down in br like at 12.3 itd be so over powered against lower brs what is a f4 ment to do against or a mig 21piss
It already faced mig21 before, basically everything shits on mig21bishit anyways
@@reinni2968 12.7 cant fave 11.3 dummy
Buddy, the F4s are already cooked. F4J, F4S, F4J(UK) and other phantoms at the same BR already suffer from the addition of the new F-14. An F-16 at a lower BR with only Aim-9Ls is the least of the phantom players concern. When they have to go against the new Persian tomcat addicts with their stupid Fakour missiles and R-27s, I don’t think an F-16 at a lower BR is a disadvantage for the phantoms.
you can not use the f16 and aim 9l right
Best dogfighter in game btw its the lightest f16 in the game block 10s are but whatever
10:47 Here’s a tip you can cancel out the over g by pushing the nose down in a quick so you can keep turning if you watch some warthunder UA-camrs you can see them do it
dang I've tried this and it didn't seem to do anything. I'll have to try again, appreciate the tip king
@LeftyTheHefty I'd highly suggest watching DEFYN or General Lee. I'm not trying to make fun of you, it's a video game after all. But you're pretty bad if you don't know such a basic piece of tech. It explains a lot of your opinions
i actually love the f-16A i think its great at this br bc u mainly get down tiers and as long as u dont get the fox3 u can handle fox 1's easily
I'm sure if I was good at the game I would feel the same :D
@@LeftyTheHefty I aint good x.x but i recommend keeping radar off the whole time since you cant use it, 2 drop tanks and 16 min of fuel! that way you can drop them for emergencies
is chat in realistic just so much more active than in arcade?
Yeah. Guys just have a long time to fly to the merge with no buttons to press 😂
i love this thing how dare u insalt my no bvr playstyle its preformance is amazing and the aim9ls are really good
Respect to you if you can make it work, I couldn’t figure it out
@@LeftyTheHefty ye it can be hard due to lack of countermeaures, I just play it hyper aggressivly
honestly f-16a should probably go 12.0 or 12.3 but not lower and the adf should go to probably 12.3 too or 12.7 they dont have many flares or many crazy good missles the only good thing they got going for them is the flight performance and the vulcan flight performance does not matter tho until you get close
To say this belongs at a lower br because dOgFiGhTiNg Is DeAd is just outright naive. The US thought dogfighting was dead in Vietnam too, and their shiny new missile bus got rolled by Mig 15s and 17s. When I play the Mig 29A, most of my kills come from gun kills and the fm is considerably worse compared to the F16A (not that it's terrible, the F16A is just that much better than the competition. I miss my old fm where I could pull more aoa than a mig 21) Most of the community are too braindead to know how to cope with radar missiles or try to learn, so they think of them as the godly be-all-end-all. To be honest it makes me understand why the snail doesn't listen to the community on a lot of things
Wait till this guy gets to the Netz 💀
honestly i love the netz since it got changed and buffed, its now also 12.7 but has 40g missiles
@@notnurfcreanga This post was made before the netz was downtiered in BR.
Now it is clapping
@@Bun-BunG FRRRRRRR
Why not using chaff
try netz
next time
If this should be at 11 then where F4E should be lol
That’s a good point 😂
only needs to go to 12.3, i think its an excellent aircraft. and just based on the ending bring 30 min fuel with 1 tank and fly on 103% WEP
oh and to avoid g lock when your turning hold S for a second to go into normal g's then keep pulling
You’re probably right but I was still tilted when I made the thumbnail 😂
appreciate the tips king
My f4e just escaped facing the f16 every game i dont want this again
@@KauppaKomissaari yeah f-4e could go down to 11.0 again and would not affect lower battle ratings much
@@spaceinvaders4825 propably but it is balanced very well atm
the f-16a block 10 does not belong at 11.0, it is the other junk on it's br that has to go up!
the j7e IS like a mig21 bis and a mig19s had an aryan child and the pl5b's can kill MLD's head on from quite far away but that's another issue. Just because the j7e is batshiz op doesn't mean the f16a block 10 suffers.
What it should though instead is get aim9m and AIM120A's in the future since it was designed for it.
yeah the thumb was meant to be a joke but IMO it's still too high. I 9Ms with IRCCM would make it more appropriate at 12.7 but there are also people in these comments saying it should be higher as-is so I don't even know anymore. I just assume the snail knows best and that it's a skill issue on my part
just seems crazy to me that the F-14B sits at the same BR and I would prefer that thing in almost every situation
@@LeftyTheHefty people just keep ranting about american top tiers as if they were the horrendous undertiered nightmares of rank 4 and below. To add insult to injury, Belgian F-16 is the one that should have aim9j, the American one used them as test for avionics, they never saw service since the f-100d, which carries the aim9e which used only in avionics testing. Same for the Phantoms.
@@LeftyTheHeftygaijin Def doesn't know what it's doing with this game lol
Bro no F-16A in US service ever had 9M or aim-120
@@FutureGohanGlazer every us aircraft with capacity to launch aim9 missiles can install and operate with every single variant of the aim9. The F-4E launched aim9m's and aim7m's, why wouldn't the F-16a block 10? the block 50's main weapon isn't even the aim9m, it's the aim9x.
Please do 16c next so I know if it’s even worth the grind
f-16c is definitely worth grinding. It's good and fun; since it has aim-120 and enough chaff's.
That’s coming soonTM
3:46
This being just .3 below gripen and f15 is fucking insane, adf's same br, which shouldnt be the case.
yah the F-16A should be 12.0 or at most 12.3 it just doesnt have good enough armaments to be 12.7
12.0 is too low imo. Even if missiles aren't as good as they used to be it's still probably the best ir missile that doesnt have irccm aside from the python 3 and fm is crazy and one of the best
@@shikikanaz4624 it has no radar missiles tho and since multi pathing has changed you’re going to die to radar missiles most of the time even when you’re 2in above the ground
@@itzzmadness-_-6712 12.3 is probably a bit too low for a jet like this. we cant forget that this still has one if not the best fm for a top tier jet. sure aim9Ls arent like what they used to be but its still plenty strong so i reckon 12.7 should be ok. the only problem is getting the message to gaijin to make a change in the first place
you think this is bad? the kfir c.7 is the same place/worse place
i think f16 performs good until it reaches above 800km/h
That’s a bit of a problem don’t you think
@@LeftyTheHeftythat’s how every plane works, just stay between 600 and 800 km/h and you’ll beat every single aircraft in a dogfight
sometime you should grind the attacker tree, the av-8b+ is ridiculously good
edit: headon mode for pd radars is worse than just pd, it picks people up the same as headon from front aspect but can also easily pick people up rear aspect while hdn has a hard time doing it
good to know, appreciate it king. I didn't really bother with the radar on this thing since IR is all I have
Attacker tree coming soonTM
@@LeftyTheHefty alr, yeah i think 12.3 might be a better br for it, only ir and can face 13.7 is really unfair
Headon mode is better for acquiring targets in head on aspects... hence the name.. headon.... different modes are there for different situations. Had countless situations where switching to headon let me track people that my radar otherwise wasn't picking up before
Nice!! got good video to watch! This f16 thank god I skipped It.. thanks for the content...keep up the good work!
yea this should be at an other br
If F-4's are at 12.0 i think the F-16A should be lowered the 12.3 at least, it makes sense
12.3 is crazy. the thing still has the best performance out of every gen 4 in the game +aim 9Ls. 12.7 is the lowest it has any right to be
@@frumpsterfire yah its good in a dogfight but who is dogfighting beyond 10.3/10.7 its all radar missiles and the F-16A doesnt have radar missiles therefore it should be lowered to at least 12.0 or at most 12.3
@@itzzmadness-_-6712 an F16 at 12.0 are you out of your damn mind man?
@@frumpsterfire no
@frumpsterfire I disagree with 12.0 as the flight performance would be too superior, but because it only has Fox 2's I think 12.3 would be a good spot, it wouldn't have IRCCM missiles like some attackers do and wouldn't have any BVR
it has the best flightmodel in the game and absolutely dominates the shit out of the 12.7 Sim matchmaker.
play the MiG-29 stockgrind with the worst 4th gen flightmodel and then tell me this aircraft is supposed to be 11.0
Stop bringing full fuel on a lightweight dogfighter ffs
probably
@@LeftyTheHefty it would probably solve ~45% of your problems with it. The rest is for the block 50
too early
I always am
@@LeftyTheHeftyu should try the netz for real suffering
@@LeftyTheHeftyu should try the netz next
Average USA main
hard wired
Anyone else see that on his radar is said f18?…
the AV8B+ has an F-18 radar so that’s how it shows up on the RWR.
At least that’s the official story 😏
@@LeftyTheHefty ohh ok thanks man