I have the V&H Fuel Pak 3. I did a stage one air cleaner upgrade on my 2017 Street Glide and ran an auto tune. I had a slight hesitation on take off, nothing critical but did want to find out why. Stopped in a parking lot and called the support line at V&H. Technician was really helpful. asked if he could connect to the bike, which I allowed, he downloaded my tune, made changes and uploaded it back to the bike. All while I was in the parking lot. Fixed the hesitation and runs great. Much props to V&H for excellent support. Hope this helps.
I have a similar story regarding V&H customer service. I like the ability to have a dash display on my bars with any technical data I could want. Also, I auto tune every season off of the base map (Fxdls w/thunderheader) and you can instantly feel the difference after one minute of flashing the new map.
Love the vids as well...I can't even fathom that I am the best "Harley Davidson" guy on UA-cam...just have had ridden them since 1970...and the bulbus helmet just is not a cool look....sorry...old school bro...You are the new age 'GO PRO" school...
Ive got the FP3. I've been happy with it and like you said V&H suport is amazing. I sent them the map, they optimized it and sent it back. I think it's a good option for those of us who aren't pros.
I was thinking about putting cams in my bike until I put a wide band tuner with 2 into 1 exhaust, screaming eagle breather. It is unreal how much of a difference there is in my bike now. Wide band tuner saved me a lot of money and engine work.
You're 100% right about V&H customer service - received the FP3 last week, would not connect to iOS device, quick troubleshoot and they overnighted a replacement, boom.
Regular tuners aren't actually closed loop. A narrowband sensor only tells you if you are running above or below stoich and makes a slight adjustment to a base open loop map. A wide band sensor can detect the actual O2 in the exhaust and run a closed loop equation to keep the AFRs near spot on in any condition. No open loop map required. Though the closed loop function runs kinda slow so it's often handy to have an auto tuner spit out open loop base map coefficients and let it run that way if you aren't planning a ride from Death Valley to the top of Yosemite during your ride.
Power Vision all the way! Love being able to dive in and make changes on the PC and knowing that when I build my motor I won't need another tuning device!
I've got a Power Vision on my bike right now with an S&S 475c stage 2 setup. I'll be installing a stage 3+ 124 10.75 kit from fuel moto with the ward ported 64mm se throttle body and a TT5 target tune that I fount on ebay for 299. Fuel Moto is an awesome company to deal with.
V&H FP3 - has worked great for me on 14' HD CVO Ultra w/110. I especially like the Sensor Data Live readout available on my Iphone via Blue tooth. I'm able to see Engine Temp, HP and Torque while riding.
I bought a PV for my 2013 Deluxe and downloaded a Fuelmoto tune for my pipes and AC. Was pleased with the performance increase. I stored it in my nightstand next to my bed, 70 degrees year round. About five years later I drug it out to play with it and learn some basic tuning and was planning for a cam change. I plug it in and the screen was fuzzy and loaded with gray lines. I called PV and they said they would replace it for half price, but I didn’t have the money at the time.....
I have yet to see a dynograph of an FP3 tune that looks anything like a half decent curve. Each and everyone I've come across are absolutely horrible, with torque dips right in the range most people ride of up to 30 ft-lb. That's over 30% less power than the engine should/could be making with a solid tuner like the Dynojet PV2, TTS, or T-Max.
John mentioned a good point. If you don’t know what your doing and know your going to bring your bike to a shop to install and Dyno your bike, ask them what they recommend. What they recommend might not be the best, but what they’re more familiar in using. I wouldn’t want them tuning my bike with a tuner they’ve never used before. If your set on a few specific tuners, try and find someone who has worked with them before. Research before you buy and commit.
I've been using FP3 for about 4 years and absolutely love it and tech support is amazing. I leave mine hooked up all the time and love that I only have to use my phone to do or change anything.
I know it’s not the best tuner for a variety of reasons but I’ve been really happy with the results using the FP3 on my 2015 Limited and 2013 Sportster 72. Both have only Stage 1 mods. Love it!
Its important for everyone who watches this video to realize that while i like John and his videos, he works for a Harley Davidson dealership. Therefore he has a natural bias towards the products and companies who pay him. He isn't giving out misinformation about tuning but it is little misleading, and quite frankly I'm tired of my customers coming to me after having bought a useless autotuners wanting me to make their motorcycle run properly. Most reputable dyno shops will have a their own shop tuner (Powervision). This is the most supported, most adjustable tuner on the market. Next up is the TTS Masterttune 2 which is not mentioned in this video, due to the fact that the owner and Harley had a bad breakup. This is essentially a blue SE super tuner, which was Harley Davidsons only and now discontinued and non supported actual tuning device. Its has now been replaced with the EPA compliant Pro steet tuner which is useless EPA junk. Last year i tuned over 300 Harley Davidson builds ranging from stage 1's to builds that are making over 140hp/140ftlbs. I work at an Independently owned shop in Ohio so there is no bias here. We use the best. Simply because that is the standard we hold our work too. I really hope this at least helps save someone the headache of buying an inferior tuner. Thanks.
None is the tuner companies paid me for anything. I know a few guys that love them some TTS, but I haven’t ever used it. Therefore, it can’t possibly be one of my favorites. That’s also why I included the bit about running what you’re dyno tuner recommends. I like the FP3 and the PV because I can use them, you can use them, and the customer can use them if they’re up for it. I like the SE cuz it doesn’t void your warranty. There certainly isn’t a reason to demand the PV over the TTS if the only person using it is the dyno tuner, though. I might not have been clear enough about that part. Pretty sure I rambled plenty without going on and on about that, though.
Two of my Harleys, Twin Cams, use the FP3 and the other uses the Screamin Eagle. Yep, warranty issues with the Road King with M8. The FP3 is superior but if I were doing it again I would spend the extra and get the Power Vision. The user friendly nature of it and the high quality you just can't ignore. You get what you pay for!
Vance and Hines FP3 is awesome. And the customer service is excellent! There was a time I couldn’t get my bike started. 10 min on the phone and the guy made adjustments on WiFi and my bike fired right up. You can see all kind of vitals on your phone in real time. Engine temps, intake temps, Rpm, gear, fuel economy, injector duty cycle, throttle position, and on and on. you can do things like decel pop And trouble codes and all kind of cool stuff. I’m super happy with it.
So I just called Zippers performance who are the major distributor for the thunder max and they said that all you should have to do is plug the stock ecm in to do any of the security fobs and other things you mentioned you couldn’t do with the thundermax. Zippers is local to me hence why I wanted to know if there would be a problem with the security system stuff as the thundermax is what I will likely go with.
chargerman426 Thunder Max is a great product and will allow you to tune any option available. The one problem is it replaces your ecm. If you swap back to stock ecm, you have a stock tune because your Thunder Max ecm isn’t installed. Talk to Jaime at Fuel Moto. He doesn’t have a dog in the fight and sells both, the Power Vision and the Thunder Max. Also,they sell cheaper than the manufacturer on both.
I’ve had my powervision since 2011 when I purchased my FLHTFB. My bike was way too lean was plagued with pretty nasty decel pops and ran so hot the rear cylinder was constantly shutting off. I installed V&H short shots and a Ness big sucker, fired up the dynovision and fattened up the AFR a bit and although my fuel efficiency suffered a bit as expected the ride ability issues are gone and the bike hauls ass. Now I intend to install the target tune and a Barnett Scorpion clutch as the stock clutch leaves a lot to be desired. Great vid man, thanks, good luck with the new shop.
FP3 is awesome for minor modifications such as mild cams, aftermarket pipes and air cleaner. I upgraded my 2019 Road Glide to a 128 Big Bore Kit; V&H told me the FP3 cannot support this type modification. I pulled the FP3 install and went to Power Vision and Target Tune. Money!!!
Also worth noting, the Power Vision has to run the Autotune cycle three times to more accurately adjust the cells when using the Narrow Band O2 sensors. DynoJet will only make incremental Cell adjustment each Autotune session to prevent damage to the bike by adjusting too much too quickly.
I have a VH3 tuner on my 16... Love it.. It tunes itself ... Select your bike by model and VIN and then your changes from stock. It uploads a map and then when you ride it it does the modifications as needed from the canned map, like doing it on a dyno but on a ride. You can keep it in learning mode for an hour or months... After that you can leave it learning or hit save and remove the unit.. The app will let you see all the engine perimeters while riding easily on your phone. If you have to go back to the dealer reload your stock map and remove the unit.... All back like stock. After service reload your modified map and ride on...
Love how you mentioned "if you have the stage 2 SE, the Pro Street is awesome" I did that on my 18 sgs and yes it is way more power than stock and since I got the ESP I'm good on the warranty end too. Win win as far as I'm concerned. 😎😎😎
@@cabby316 Cool, about 130 mph. The Harley davidson dealership i was speaking with informed me that on my 2019 softail the SE Pro Street would not alter the speed limiter for my bike which is set at 109. I'm glad it worked out for you. I'm looking at a power vision or FP3 so that I can optimize my top end. Good luck, brother and keep it between the ditches!
Cabby- I am doing same as you ( SE tuner and SE torque cam) but have s and a slip ons with bassani head pipe. Do you think my exhaust choice not being a Harley one screw up my results ? Do you think it will run well??
Im in the Uk.I bought a Powervision ecause alot of people i know in clubs and chol shops really rate the powervision as they say its the most powerful hd tuner out there.I took it with my dyna fatbob 2017 to my nearest dynojet dealer and they put it on the rolling road and mapped it perfectly.More power all the way tbrough mid range topend and low down makes the bike more rideable at very low speeds,Got rid of over run popping which i hate and so now it ticks over nice not dead slow like some like which ive been told is not good as not enough oil going to the heads or top of engine. mid range great all through the power range and top end not really needed but a marked difference.Buy a Powervision it will amaze you, 10/10
My FP3 was trash, it had connectivity issues with the bike and the Bluetooth. Bought a license for the dyno jet and it’s perfect! Was only 250 for the license and any tuner and dyno guy can do it for ya
Been running my Powervision since 2013...I have tunes in it for 3 separate bikes for those who are saying it "Marries" itself to your bike. You have to buy a softwarte license for each bike after your initial purchase so I have spent 200 dollars for each additional bike I tune. You can have up to 5 separate bikes at any given time so if I ever end up with that many I will have to delete the ones I no longer own. I got mine from Jamie at Fuel Moto also, he has been TREMENDOUS to deal with!! Every time I have a friend who buys a new bike thats exactly who I steer them to.
Good stuff John, thanks. I did my own stage 1 install and tune on my 2010 FXDC with a PowerVision and it was super simple. That being said the map I loaded was not an exact match and I eventually did a few sessions on autotune to smooth it out a bit. I did do the PC hookup thing and immediately realized this was way over my head so I never did any manual tuning that way. My current FLHR came with a stage 1 and FP3 already set up. The bike runs pretty smooth and I have considered running an autotune but haven't taken the time to do it. Maybe you just gave me the kick in the a$$ I needed.
I have tried all 3 of these and the PV is the clear winner IMO, mainly bcuz I have more than 1 bike so it only cost me $199 for additional license to tune/auto tune from the same main PV unit. The FP3 was what I wanted to use on my 18LTD but unfortunately it failed and V&H had to send me a new one. With COVID19, I couldn’t wait any longer and contacted DynoJet and they sent me a tune file in email in less than a day and all is well. V&H did eventually send me a replacement FP3 but I dont need 2 tuners so I sold it.
Surprised no mention of tts mastertune... its basically a seprt on steroids with no epa restrictions. Steve Cole is the creator of tts and the early sert's were made by him. Steve wanted to make the serts more robust and epa free and Harley didn't so they parted ways. For the warranty side of things get a third party extended warranty. It will cover more options, cost less and aftermarket items like tuners won't void the warranty. Also there's been alot of issues with power vision and the screen blanking out. Fuel moto and dynojet are aware of this but nothing has been addressed yet to fix it.
I could pick a fav from the TTS or PV...but in reality it would b just that, my favorite. Either will accomplish the same quality of tune in capable hands.
I installed a Powervision from Fuel Moto on a (new) '16 FXDB within 2-300 miles of swapping mufflers. My bike ran 100% better almost immediately, decel popping all but gone. It even seems happier. Yes, the Powervision is married to your bike. On the other hand you don't need a cell phone, laptop or other device to use it. It may not be the coolest or sexiest accessory I've purchased, but it's certainly the smartest one.
You answered my question within the first couple minutes, but I continued to watch the entire video anyway like all the rest of your videos. Love your stuff. Thanks.
The Motodude I agree. I’d be interested to see a rolling build of a under warranty bike from Stage 1 on to 4. To see what’s really reusable on each step.
Great Vid, John!! I started with the SE Tuner. When I added a Stage 3 to my 48, the SE Tuner DID NOT HAVE A STAGE 3 tab!!! No one at the dealership knew why!! So, I went to the VH FP3.
What are your thoughts on the TTS Mastertune? I have tuned a few bikes with it and it seems pretty versatile, I think we sold them for $450 I think. On a side note I have an old power vision in my toolbox that I use just to read codes which is pretty handy.
Auto tune with the V&H MP3 rocks! Install it, connect to your smart phone, set auto tune mode. Go ride through a tank or two of gas. During that time try to romp on the throttle in each gear. Easy Peasy.
You know, changing main jets in a carbrater was a lot of work too. I ordered this Powervision because its plug and play, ive decided to just enjoy it. Its cool
@@Judas114 Boomers made the internet cell phones and major medical advancement. Your generation can't tell time on a clock with hands or change a car tire and I never saw a boomer eat tide pods. A motor you can't work on without an expensive computer or a trip to the HD dealership isn't an advancement. My 72 FLH is the best running bike of the three I have. The other two are twin cams and I am selling the Road King to buy an Evo.
I have a Cobra Power Pro on my Sporty. Running with Cobra full exhaust and Arlen Ness Big Sucker air cleaner. Sounds great, runs even better. No dyno required.
The end of 2021 a week before Christmas and my Harley Heritage softail is in the Hog Hospital her and I try to mate with a Honda Accord off three sixteen in Ga watching you John and learning about stuff. I will be riding soon hopefully until then I will keep on watching you and other bike stuff. Thanks for stopping this old fart from going crazy.
So I bought a set of V&H Bigshots for our 2005 Dyna Wide Glide and also ordered a Super Tuner 3 for it (or is that a stereo from a past that I just don't remember?) Anyway the whole bike blew up, not just the engine or the tuner but everything, I found one half of the gas tank in a neighbors yard and the other half in the soybean field behind our house, the fenders flew over to my aunts house down the street but the frame landed in our driveway. After some hunting and salvaging I got it all back together just to learn that the tuner told me that I hit the back button instead of the forward button and so now I'll try not to make that mistake again! You live and you learn 😜
Depending on what you have done, I went to a lectron carb on my built evo. It was the best thing I ever did for that bike, simple tool less adjustments. That bike was a constant adjustment after doing a full build with case work ported heads and big cams.
My Power Commander 5 flamed in the middle of of 3k mile ride. Now have the FP3 and love it. I so agree taking off the tuner is a huge bonus. Thanks for this video great info.
1 of the best tuners available. Make sure whoever's tuning bike is very familiar with tts because you can get into trouble if you don't know what you're doing.
John, My Kove Commuter 2 just got here today. Great call, these are now my goto portable speakers. The speakers get two dirty thumbs up. Hope you got them back and are in the new shop. Congratulation on the new shop and a new journey.
John, you forgot to add that the Vance and Hines Fuel Pak is dedicated to only one bike. You can't help a bro tune his or if you replace an engine it won't work.
John, thank you for mentioning that using any tuner besides the Screamin Eagle tuner will void the warranty. Many people believe that just because they can load the stock settings back into the bike, that Harley will never know it. Wrong. Good video.
I had an orange one on an older bike I had, loved it, picking up a black one tomorrow. I’ve heard due to EPA junk they aren’t as good as the old orange ones. Fingers crossed
Regarding the Dynojet Target Tune, you first have to hook the PowerVision to get the factory map. Then send that map to Dynojet per e-mail. They send back a Target Tune version of the factory map. Then put that one on the PowerVision and flash the ECU after the Target Tune and the wide band sensors have been installed on the bike. If you do not use the Target Tune adapted map, then good luck... You may get tons of error messages unrelated to the real problem. On my FXDL, until the TT tune was installed we constantly got "Always ON 'Flash-To-Pass'" errors.
John, I'd very much like to autotune my other favorite ride...my girlfriend. Do these devices work on wives and girlfriends and if so, which ones do you recommend? She has a port available under her seat, but I definitely don't want this device to be permanently attached, as it would ruin the fun. Thanks in advance!
You're the man, YOU are the auto tuner. Or should I say, auto tune her. Unless you're one of those pussy ass dudes who behaves like one of them weak ass sitcom dads (you know the type, "duh, I'm just the dumb neanderthal man who can't even zip up my daughter's jacket without my wife, duh") then get crackin' and make it happen, captain. Auto tune her yourself! Deep down inside she'll love it, even if her girlfriends tell her otherwise. Lol
I just bought a remote controlled.. um tuner for the wife. And I can't wait till the world opens and we get to go walk around and make her squeal. Always good to keep it fun.
I installed the FuelPak and the BEST feature of this is the throttle control. I set it to Moderate and a year later it is the best upgrade on my bike. I've rode in a club and we would ride hard, I'd have to throw my wrist back taking off and still not be fast enough at times. Being able to turn my wrist half as much but get the same acceleration is amazing. There is an aggressive and 1:1 setting as well, which I haven't tried but my concern is tickets. Even with moderate sometimes I speed faster than I'm thinking I'm going because how little I have to turn my wrist.
Ride With Dinosaur absolutely. Just take it off before you visit the dealer for any warranty work. The FP3 has limited tuning (tells ecm rich or lean at stoic) so it won’t change much. Wide band (18 mm) gives the tuner values to adjust by to create a better map.
HD Screaming Eagle for me. Doesn't void warranty and it just works. It married to the bike so if you have more then one bike you need one for each bike.
Had no idea the power vision didn’t have to stay with the bike. Need this for my minimalistic night train. Just went thru hell with a set of new “c” revision lifters. If you don’t have a video on the HD lifter topic- we need one!
Thunder max replaces your ECM, so if it goes bad your out $799. It is very in depth for major mods and leaves everything on the table. Can’t go wrong here. Great recommendation, but I prefer Power Vision.
I used the Vance and Hines fp3 on my bike in the past very easy to use especially if someone like me that isn't smart phone friendly was able to use it
Hey John, what are your thoughts on the Master Tuner by TTS? Ever play around with them? My understanding is, at one time, TTS made the Screamin Eagle tuner for The Motor Company. It was about the time H-D got their Dick stomped on by the EPA, H-D and TTS went their separate ways. TTS wanted to ADD to the ability the Screamin Eagle Tuner had and H-D said NO! H-D wanted to remove some of what was currently on the Screamin Eagle Tuner. Here is the link to the TTS Master Tuner: mastertune.net/products_mastertune.html The H-D Dealer I use has a Technician who builds and tunes H-D Drag Bikes, Strip not Street Drag Bikes! With a little “Magic”, he was able to get 101hp and 118ftlbs out of my slightly modified 103 Twin Cam! His “Magic” made my bike perform and sound GREAT! Next time we are shooting for 150hp 150ftlbs! As always, THANK YOU for making GREAT Videos!
Not John...FWIW, TTS is just as good as PV. TTS made H-Ds SERT "race tuner". Replaced by the "Super Tuner" in '08. TTS could never keep up with demand for SERTs...always on BO..limited quantities to dealers because of supply. This went on for many years...we assumed that's why H-D went to the Super Tuner from a diff vendor (Kent Moore), never an availability prob since.. Steve (TTS) must have covered his butt well about non-competing...cause they came out with the MasterTune shortly after Harley dropped them.
@@bthere7437 I have a 2011 Street Glide 103. I had my dealer & dyno-tuner do an "Upgrade" once I had the 500mi "Break-in" on the clock. I'm happy with the results!
John, you are dead on that Power Vision is a great option. This unit has saved me thousands being able to read bike sensors on the fly. I have created a few videos using it to figure out why my bike was going into limp mode. I was able to watch the twist grip voltage and compare it to the carb butterfly position voltage. Recently I used it to diagnose what my battery voltage was compared to the regulator voltage. Lately I started using the Data Log feature to monitor what the bike was doing as I drove it. Best of all, DynoJet opens this tuner up to configure just about anything on their PC program. Love it and brag on it all the time. Single handedly the best tool for Harley's.
Bought fp3. Ok for exhaust and intake. Tried it with S&S 551 and SE 255 cam swaps in my 96TC. Waste of time, bought Thundermax and love it, works great. Don’t waste your money if you are swapping cams.
The thundermax does allow you to get a fob and security system programmed. I have a 2007 road king and the local dealer had no issues installing the security system . As for plugging into the shop computer . The thundermax reads all and any code thats comes up . Just need the thundermax software to read it . Its extremely user friendly .
My dealer installed my V&H Short Shots and FP3 from the showroom floor and flashed the Stage 1 map,guess my dealer void my warranty without even asking me.
No if you got the work done when new your good. I have a 883 and did the stage 1 all good.but that VandH fule pack could be a problem. Screaming eagle is the way to keep that warranty.
My local HD dealer specifically pointed out, that the V&H does NOT void warranty, nor alter emissions, regardless if they do the install, or you do it at home. V&H also claims no warranty damage.
It comes down to ur dealer. Always take it to the same place. If you are road tripping and break down just tell them not to hook up to the computer. Once ur VIN is in the computer ur 2 year warranty is gone. Just talk to the local service manager at ur local Harley and they won’t do you dirty. It’s all EPA. It isn’t Harley, it’s the government I’ve been told. Had that issue on my 18 FatBob.
My bike is carbed so a tuner won't do me much good but I will comment on the Kove speaker. It is very impression. The stereo imaging when separated is great. The subs aren't really noticable until you get the volume up. At full volume, it is pretty loud especially for its size. Several friends have ordered one after hearing mine.
One additional note about the Screamin Eagle tuner, in my experience only the Harley dealer will Dyno your bike. I was able to get good readings on the road but that was one scary ride. With my all Harley screamin eagle mufflers and breather the Road King runs like a dream and sounds awesome. For me that combo works but probably won't work for everyone. Great vid, thanks.
I wish I would have watched this yesterday. I’ve been talking to fuel Moto and decided to get the PowerVision three… It’s the one without the big screen.
I had a Dynojet PC5 on my 2011 Road Glide Ultra CVO, and just as you pointed out in the video, it got crushed and damaged under the seat. To Dynojet's credit, they did send me a new unit, but I opted instead to used the Vance and Hines tuner and could not be happier with the results. Great video brother...keep 'em coming!!!
Great channel. Thanks for great info.I saw you at the World Record Ride in Paris, TX. I wish I could have met you in person. I am on my fourth Harley. The first three I only did Stage 1. My current bike, a 2017 Road King Special, I did Stage 2 with the S&S 465 cam and their cam plate, oil pump, lifters and billet tappet cuffs and Screaming Eagle adjustable pushrods and Extreme Flow intake combined with V&H Daytona 400 slip ons. I have used V&H FP3 on all and I have never been disappointed. I admit, I have never had a bike on a dyno and I may not know what I am missing, but my RKS with the above parts runs like a dream even though I use the map from the FP3. It is a thrill to ride. For the average rider the FP3 adjusts way more than a non professional probably ought to fool around with, but I like to be able to download a map, adjust throttle response and read codes and, since I leave mine hooked up under the left side cover, I can use my phone for real time information on a ton of things too numerous to list here. And you are right about V&H customer support in real time via phone, outstanding, can't be beat. Thanks, again, for a great channel.
I've left my power vision on accidentally at car washes and blasted it directly ...it is robust enough for freaking rain Even torrential downpours. beats the other's hands down for the gauge package clusters you can put up analog or digital gear indicators RPM temperature even show actual AFR map.
One other important aspect of the PV unit is the fact that it can support multiple bikes via Dynojets license process. The FP3 nor the SEPST do not offer this and the savings is worth it. At $199 per license, its cheaper than buying a tuner for each bike.
You can use the Harley Wide Bands on the PowerVision. I that configuration now and makes a big difference using the power vision over the Harley tuner.
I have the V&H Fuel Pak 3. I did a stage one air cleaner upgrade on my 2017 Street Glide and ran an auto tune. I had a slight hesitation on take off, nothing critical but did want to find out why. Stopped in a parking lot and called the support line at V&H. Technician was really helpful. asked if he could connect to the bike, which I allowed, he downloaded my tune, made changes and uploaded it back to the bike. All while I was in the parking lot. Fixed the hesitation and runs great. Much props to V&H for excellent support. Hope this helps.
Oh wow, that’s amazing
I have a similar story regarding V&H customer service. I like the ability to have a dash display on my bars with any technical data I could want. Also, I auto tune every season off of the base map (Fxdls w/thunderheader) and you can instantly feel the difference after one minute of flashing the new map.
You should get a portion or the money because you just sold me their product in less than a minute. Thanks.
John, I think your the best "Harley-Davidson" guy on UA-cam. Wishing you nothing but success.
No sheet. Guy's a natural. Really enjoy his vids!!
Absolutely
Love the vids as well...I can't even fathom that I am the best "Harley Davidson" guy on UA-cam...just have had ridden them since 1970...and the bulbus helmet just is not a cool look....sorry...old school bro...You are the new age 'GO PRO" school...
Ive got the FP3. I've been happy with it and like you said V&H suport is amazing. I sent them the map, they optimized it and sent it back. I think it's a good option for those of us who aren't pros.
My Power Vision has been riding on the handlebar since 2011, been in the rain a zillion times, never an issue.
I was thinking about putting cams in my bike until I put a wide band tuner with 2 into 1 exhaust, screaming eagle breather. It is unreal how much of a difference there is in my bike now. Wide band tuner saved me a lot of money and engine work.
Just think how badass it will be with the cams on top of it.
You're 100% right about V&H customer service - received the FP3 last week, would not connect to iOS device, quick troubleshoot and they overnighted a replacement, boom.
Had a thunder max put on my 2010 FLHTCU when I put in the 5150 SS cam, and SS exhaust. I love the set up.
Meh,no knock control.
Hey man I just bought a ThunderMax for 2011 Ultra Classic. Is your ThunderMax still going good?
I have the power vision and for the past 7 years I've told myself I'm going to learn how to use it. Still on a base map... 😜
Regular tuners aren't actually closed loop. A narrowband sensor only tells you if you are running above or below stoich and makes a slight adjustment to a base open loop map.
A wide band sensor can detect the actual O2 in the exhaust and run a closed loop equation to keep the AFRs near spot on in any condition. No open loop map required. Though the closed loop function runs kinda slow so it's often handy to have an auto tuner spit out open loop base map coefficients and let it run that way if you aren't planning a ride from Death Valley to the top of Yosemite during your ride.
I been running the powervision with target tune, works pretty well on my head, piston and cam swap. Pretty simple to use.
Power Vision all the way! Love being able to dive in and make changes on the PC and knowing that when I build my motor I won't need another tuning device!
Did my own nitrous tune , worked great (no blown engine !) Have the Target Tune on the Bike too .
I've got a Power Vision on my bike right now with an S&S 475c stage 2 setup. I'll be installing a stage 3+ 124 10.75 kit from fuel moto with the ward ported 64mm se throttle body and a TT5 target tune that I fount on ebay for 299. Fuel Moto is an awesome company to deal with.
V&H FP3 - has worked great for me on 14' HD CVO Ultra w/110. I especially like the Sensor Data Live readout available on my Iphone via Blue tooth. I'm able to see Engine Temp, HP and Torque while riding.
I bought a PV for my 2013 Deluxe and downloaded a Fuelmoto tune for my pipes and AC. Was pleased with the performance increase. I stored it in my nightstand next to my bed, 70 degrees year round. About five years later I drug it out to play with it and learn some basic tuning and was planning for a cam change. I plug it in and the screen was fuzzy and loaded with gray lines. I called PV and they said they would replace it for half price, but I didn’t have the money at the time.....
Have PV for several years and love it. Also let’s you monitor engine performance in real time if you mount it to your handle bar.
Yeah, that's what I'm doing. PV2 with Target Tune. Graphs set to a big RPM gauge with oil pressure, engine temp, and fuel economy gauges to the right.
Great video. Very informative and I like your humorous delivery without being over the top and obnoxious. Subscribed.
Really enjoy my FP3. It’s incredibly user friendly for sure.
Me too!!
I should buy a fp3 and a header pipe
Yeah I put one on your ole lady and she went from draggin her teeth to deep throat no gag.
I have yet to see a dynograph of an FP3 tune that looks anything like a half decent curve. Each and everyone I've come across are absolutely horrible, with torque dips right in the range most people ride of up to 30 ft-lb. That's over 30% less power than the engine should/could be making with a solid tuner like the Dynojet PV2, TTS, or T-Max.
Didn’t even think about that issue with the ThunderMax, glad you posted this I was looking at buying it for my RG. Totally changed my mind!
I was lucky and got a harley auto tuner before the EPA made harley pull it off the shelf. Timing is everything.
John mentioned a good point. If you don’t know what your doing and know your going to bring your bike to a shop to install and Dyno your bike, ask them what they recommend. What they recommend might not be the best, but what they’re more familiar in using. I wouldn’t want them tuning my bike with a tuner they’ve never used before. If your set on a few specific tuners, try and find someone who has worked with them before. Research before you buy and commit.
My Harley is currently in the shop. I wish you were my tech.
I've been using FP3 for about 4 years and absolutely love it and tech support is amazing. I leave mine hooked up all the time and love that I only have to use my phone to do or change anything.
I know it’s not the best tuner for a variety of reasons but I’ve been really happy with the results using the FP3 on my 2015 Limited and 2013 Sportster 72. Both have only Stage 1 mods. Love it!
Its important for everyone who watches this video to realize that while i like John and his videos, he works for a Harley Davidson dealership. Therefore he has a natural bias towards the products and companies who pay him. He isn't giving out misinformation about tuning but it is little misleading, and quite frankly I'm tired of my customers coming to me after having bought a useless autotuners wanting me to make their motorcycle run properly. Most reputable dyno shops will have a their own shop tuner (Powervision). This is the most supported, most adjustable tuner on the market. Next up is the TTS Masterttune 2 which is not mentioned in this video, due to the fact that the owner and Harley had a bad breakup. This is essentially a blue SE super tuner, which was Harley Davidsons only and now discontinued and non supported actual tuning device. Its has now been replaced with the EPA compliant Pro steet tuner which is useless EPA junk. Last year i tuned over 300 Harley Davidson builds ranging from stage 1's to builds that are making over 140hp/140ftlbs. I work at an Independently owned shop in Ohio so there is no bias here. We use the best. Simply because that is the standard we hold our work too. I really hope this at least helps save someone the headache of buying an inferior tuner. Thanks.
None is the tuner companies paid me for anything. I know a few guys that love them some TTS, but I haven’t ever used it. Therefore, it can’t possibly be one of my favorites. That’s also why I included the bit about running what you’re dyno tuner recommends. I like the FP3 and the PV because I can use them, you can use them, and the customer can use them if they’re up for it. I like the SE cuz it doesn’t void your warranty. There certainly isn’t a reason to demand the PV over the TTS if the only person using it is the dyno tuner, though. I might not have been clear enough about that part. Pretty sure I rambled plenty without going on and on about that, though.
I'm right here with ya......probably recognize each other by names...
Two of my Harleys, Twin Cams, use the FP3 and the other uses the Screamin Eagle. Yep, warranty issues with the Road King with M8.
The FP3 is superior but if I were doing it again I would spend the extra and get the Power Vision. The user friendly nature of it and the high quality you just
can't ignore. You get what you pay for!
Vance and Hines FP3 is awesome. And the customer service is excellent! There was a time I couldn’t get my bike started. 10 min on the phone and the guy made adjustments on WiFi and my bike fired right up. You can see all kind of vitals on your phone in real time. Engine temps, intake temps, Rpm, gear, fuel economy, injector duty cycle, throttle position, and on and on. you can do things like decel pop And trouble codes and all kind of cool stuff. I’m super happy with it.
Hay John yes it totally stinks about the warranty deal. I'll have to leave mine stock until out of warranty. Thank god I have the 114 M8.
Lost 3 gear. Moco denied warranty! Hoping tuner keeps bike cooler/richer for long life engine!
POWERVISION FROM FUELMOTO USA !!!! None better ..Built my bike 30,000 miles ago and still freaking rocks 116/126 2010 HD Limited
So I just called Zippers performance who are the major distributor for the thunder max and they said that all you should have to do is plug the stock ecm in to do any of the security fobs and other things you mentioned you couldn’t do with the thundermax. Zippers is local to me hence why I wanted to know if there would be a problem with the security system stuff as the thundermax is what I will likely go with.
chargerman426 Thunder Max is a great product and will allow you to tune any option available. The one problem is it replaces your ecm. If you swap back to stock ecm, you have a stock tune because your Thunder Max ecm isn’t installed. Talk to Jaime at Fuel Moto. He doesn’t have a dog in the fight and sells both, the Power Vision and the Thunder Max. Also,they sell cheaper than the manufacturer on both.
Thundermax doesn’t use the M8s knock sensors, harleys Delphi computer is way better than the thundermax, the power vision Delphi combo is the best
I’ve had my powervision since 2011 when I purchased my FLHTFB. My bike was way too lean was plagued with pretty nasty decel pops and ran so hot the rear cylinder was constantly shutting off. I installed V&H short shots and a Ness big sucker, fired up the dynovision and fattened up the AFR a bit and although my fuel efficiency suffered a bit as expected the ride ability issues are gone and the bike hauls ass. Now I intend to install the target tune and a Barnett Scorpion clutch as the stock clutch leaves a lot to be desired. Great vid man, thanks, good luck with the new shop.
You mentioned reseting the PIN with the fob. Could you do a video on how to do that?
That requires a digital tech as far as I know
It's in your Owners Manual how to do this.
FP3 is awesome for minor modifications such as mild cams, aftermarket pipes and air cleaner. I upgraded my 2019 Road Glide to a 128 Big Bore Kit; V&H told me the FP3 cannot support this type modification. I pulled the FP3 install and went to Power Vision and Target Tune. Money!!!
I used the Fuelpack with my 2010 Superglide. Made a bad running bike from the factory run like it should.
Cummon HD!!!
Got the V&H Fuelpak3 to go with my Arlen Ness deep cut monster sucker, V&H power duals & SVT Bonshakers. Couldn't be happier!
Also worth noting, the Power Vision has to run the Autotune cycle three times to more accurately adjust the cells when using the Narrow Band O2 sensors. DynoJet will only make incremental Cell adjustment each Autotune session to prevent damage to the bike by adjusting too much too quickly.
I have a VH3 tuner on my 16... Love it.. It tunes itself ... Select your bike by model and VIN and then your changes from stock. It uploads a map and then when you ride it it does the modifications as needed from the canned map, like doing it on a dyno but on a ride. You can keep it in learning mode for an hour or months... After that you can leave it learning or hit save and remove the unit.. The app will let you see all the engine perimeters while riding easily on your phone. If you have to go back to the dealer reload your stock map and remove the unit.... All back like stock. After service reload your modified map and ride on...
Love how you mentioned "if you have the stage 2 SE, the Pro Street is awesome" I did that on my 18 sgs and yes it is way more power than stock and since I got the ESP I'm good on the warranty end too. Win win as far as I'm concerned. 😎😎😎
Awesome. Getting the same done next week. Excited!
Except for the factory ecm speed limiter. 109 mph
@@robertmcdougal2966 all I know is one day I was clocked doing 208kph.
@@cabby316 Cool, about 130 mph. The Harley davidson dealership i was speaking with informed me that on my 2019 softail the SE Pro Street would not alter the speed limiter for my bike which is set at 109. I'm glad it worked out for you. I'm looking at a power vision or FP3 so that I can optimize my top end. Good luck, brother and keep it between the ditches!
Cabby- I am doing same as you ( SE tuner and SE torque cam) but have s and a slip ons with bassani head pipe. Do you think my exhaust choice not being a Harley one screw up my results ? Do you think it will run well??
Im in the Uk.I bought a Powervision ecause alot of people i know in clubs and chol shops really rate the powervision as they say its the most powerful hd tuner out there.I took it with my dyna fatbob 2017 to my nearest dynojet dealer and they put it on the rolling road and mapped it perfectly.More power all the way tbrough mid range topend and low down makes the bike more rideable at very low speeds,Got rid of over run popping which i hate and so now it ticks over nice not dead slow like some like which ive been told is not good as not enough oil going to the heads or top of engine.
mid range great all through the power range and top end not really needed but a marked difference.Buy a Powervision it will amaze you, 10/10
TTS Mastertune, been using it for over 8 years.
Yes sir!
1 of the best if not the best tuner available.
My FP3 was trash, it had connectivity issues with the bike and the Bluetooth.
Bought a license for the dyno jet and it’s perfect! Was only 250 for the license and any tuner and dyno guy can do it for ya
New fan and I don't even own a bike. Used to have a sport 883 that I loved. Sub!
Been running my Powervision since 2013...I have tunes in it for 3 separate bikes for those who are saying it "Marries" itself to your bike. You have to buy a softwarte license for each bike after your initial purchase so I have spent 200 dollars for each additional bike I tune. You can have up to 5 separate bikes at any given time so if I ever end up with that many I will have to delete the ones I no longer own. I got mine from Jamie at Fuel Moto also, he has been TREMENDOUS to deal with!! Every time I have a friend who buys a new bike thats exactly who I steer them to.
I used the FP3 for a 1275 kit on my 883. While it worked it was little tedious.
Selecting a map and flashing it to the bike with your phone is tedious?
TTS Mastertune and a Doc Weaver dynotune in Minneola, FL. PERIOD!
Good stuff John, thanks. I did my own stage 1 install and tune on my 2010 FXDC with a PowerVision and it was super simple. That being said the map I loaded was not an exact match and I eventually did a few sessions on autotune to smooth it out a bit. I did do the PC hookup thing and immediately realized this was way over my head so I never did any manual tuning that way. My current FLHR came with a stage 1 and FP3 already set up. The bike runs pretty smooth and I have considered running an autotune but haven't taken the time to do it. Maybe you just gave me the kick in the a$$ I needed.
I have tried all 3 of these and the PV is the clear winner IMO, mainly bcuz I have more than 1 bike so it only cost me $199 for additional license to tune/auto tune from the same main PV unit. The FP3 was what I wanted to use on my 18LTD but unfortunately it failed and V&H had to send me a new one. With COVID19, I couldn’t wait any longer and contacted DynoJet and they sent me a tune file in email in less than a day and all is well. V&H did eventually send me a replacement FP3 but I dont need 2 tuners so I sold it.
Surprised no mention of tts mastertune... its basically a seprt on steroids with no epa restrictions. Steve Cole is the creator of tts and the early sert's were made by him. Steve wanted to make the serts more robust and epa free and Harley didn't so they parted ways.
For the warranty side of things get a third party extended warranty. It will cover more options, cost less and aftermarket items like tuners won't void the warranty.
Also there's been alot of issues with power vision and the screen blanking out. Fuel moto and dynojet are aware of this but nothing has been addressed yet to fix it.
when you are saying third party extended warranty are you talk about HD ESP extended service plan?
@@southernblueblood5402 i had one back in 2012 i think. Can't remember the name but there was a couple. Esp i think is one ive heard about online.
I could pick a fav from the TTS or PV...but in reality it would b just that, my favorite. Either will accomplish the same quality of tune in capable hands.
I installed a Powervision from Fuel Moto on a (new) '16 FXDB within 2-300 miles of swapping mufflers. My bike ran 100% better almost immediately, decel popping all but gone. It even seems happier. Yes, the Powervision is married to your bike. On the other hand you don't need a cell phone, laptop or other device to use it. It may not be the coolest or sexiest accessory I've purchased, but it's certainly the smartest one.
Great Video...what about the TTS that a lot of Harley Davidson dealers in Europe are recommending?..Thanks a lot for the infos
Towcester Tuning Shop?
I have the tts. I like it a lot.
TTS b fine, as good as PV...it's all about the competency of the dude doing the tuning. As long as you can get into the ecm..it's good.
Tts is a great tuner one of the best cannot go wrong and if thats what theyre familiar with even better!
You answered my question within the first couple minutes, but I continued to watch the entire video anyway like all the rest of your videos. Love your stuff. Thanks.
I’d love more info on the SEpro tuner because it’s the only one I can install without voiding my warranty.
The Motodude I agree. I’d be interested to see a rolling build of a under warranty bike from Stage 1 on to 4. To see what’s really reusable on each step.
Great Vid, John!! I started with the SE Tuner. When I added a Stage 3 to my 48, the SE Tuner DID NOT HAVE A STAGE 3 tab!!! No one at the dealership knew why!! So, I went to the VH FP3.
What are your thoughts on the TTS Mastertune? I have tuned a few bikes with it and it seems pretty versatile, I think we sold them for $450 I think. On a side note I have an old power vision in my toolbox that I use just to read codes which is pretty handy.
That's the best of the best !!!!!
Auto tune with the V&H MP3 rocks! Install it, connect to your smart phone, set auto tune mode. Go ride through a tank or two of gas. During that time try to romp on the throttle in each gear. Easy Peasy.
I miss the days of a feeler Gage a screw driver and a timing light to tune your Harley.
I heard that. All I want to do is richen up my fuel mixture and gotta buy a tuner for that? Jeez
You know, changing main jets in a carbrater was a lot of work too. I ordered this Powervision because its plug and play, ive decided to just enjoy it. Its cool
You miss the days of inferior engineering?
Okay boomer.
seriously!? backfires & crank start?? No thanks!
@@Judas114 Boomers made the internet cell phones and major medical advancement. Your generation can't tell time on a clock with hands or change a car tire and I never saw a boomer eat tide pods. A motor you can't work on without an expensive computer or a trip to the HD dealership isn't an advancement. My 72 FLH is the best running bike of the three I have. The other two are twin cams and I am selling the Road King to buy an Evo.
I have a Cobra Power Pro on my Sporty. Running with
Cobra full exhaust and Arlen Ness Big Sucker air cleaner. Sounds great, runs even better. No dyno required.
How do you feel about t-max
I've had awesome support and it can tune almost any upgrade you will throw at it ...
Matthew fisher love mine
He explains in the video why he doesn't like the t-Max.
The end of 2021 a week before Christmas and my Harley Heritage softail is in the Hog Hospital her and I try to mate with a Honda Accord off three sixteen in Ga watching you John and learning about stuff. I will be riding soon hopefully until then I will keep on watching you and other bike stuff. Thanks for stopping this old fart from going crazy.
Hey John thanks for still posting! Can I bring the FP3 to a Dyno and they tune it? Thanks again! Stay safe and healthy
So I bought a set of V&H Bigshots for our 2005 Dyna Wide Glide and also ordered a Super Tuner 3 for it (or is that a stereo from a past that I just don't remember?) Anyway the whole bike blew up, not just the engine or the tuner but everything, I found one half of the gas tank in a neighbors yard and the other half in the soybean field behind our house, the fenders flew over to my aunts house down the street but the frame landed in our driveway. After some hunting and salvaging I got it all back together just to learn that the tuner told me that I hit the back button instead of the forward button and so now I'll try not to make that mistake again!
You live and you learn 😜
Can you recommend 3 tuners who know how to tune a Carby? Aint no computer on my EVO
Your tuner on a carbed evo is a screwdriver
@@Tberg725 And an assortment of jets.
Depending on what you have done, I went to a lectron carb on my built evo. It was the best thing I ever did for that bike, simple tool less adjustments. That bike was a constant adjustment after doing a full build with case work ported heads and big cams.
My Power Commander 5 flamed in the middle of of 3k mile ride. Now have the FP3 and love it. I so agree taking off the tuner is a huge bonus. Thanks for this video great info.
Damn. No kidding. I just put one on my Harley fxbb and i live in Az.
Any thoughts or experience on the TTS tuner?
1 of the best tuners available. Make sure whoever's tuning bike is very familiar with tts because you can get into trouble if you don't know what you're doing.
John, My Kove Commuter 2 just got here today. Great call, these are now my goto portable speakers. The speakers get two dirty thumbs up. Hope you got them back and are in the new shop. Congratulation on the new shop and a new journey.
Any experience with TTS?
John, you forgot to add that the Vance and Hines Fuel Pak is dedicated to only one bike. You can't help a bro tune his or if you replace an engine it won't work.
I’m a big fan of all things Vance & Hines...
John, thank you for mentioning that using any tuner besides the Screamin Eagle tuner will void the warranty. Many people believe that just because they can load the stock settings back into the bike, that Harley will never know it. Wrong.
Good video.
I’ve got an old Orange Super Tuner, but I’m not educated enough (yet)to use it.
-‘13 Wide Glide-
Jay S same here lol
I had an orange one on an older bike I had, loved it, picking up a black one tomorrow. I’ve heard due to EPA junk they aren’t as good as the old orange ones. Fingers crossed
What’s the price on the black one Steven?
@@JaySorsby1 I’ve found it for 250-300.
IMO:
I’d save another $150 and get the PowerVision. But once cry once.
Regarding the Dynojet Target Tune, you first have to hook the PowerVision to get the factory map. Then send that map to Dynojet per e-mail. They send back a Target Tune version of the factory map. Then put that one on the PowerVision and flash the ECU after the Target Tune and the wide band sensors have been installed on the bike.
If you do not use the Target Tune adapted map, then good luck... You may get tons of error messages unrelated to the real problem. On my FXDL, until the TT tune was installed we constantly got "Always ON 'Flash-To-Pass'" errors.
I really like the Thundermax, it will self dyno as you drive...
Good video, I'd love to see one on basics on tuning, things you can/should do and then things you CAN but shouldn't!
Wondering why you don’t mention TTS MASTERTUNER?? Why don’t you like it?
Its a great tuner
Thank you for the breackdown really apreciate you taking the time to make this video
John, I'd very much like to autotune my other favorite ride...my girlfriend. Do these devices work on wives and girlfriends and if so, which ones do you recommend?
She has a port available under her seat, but I definitely don't want this device to be permanently attached, as it would ruin the fun.
Thanks in advance!
You're the man, YOU are the auto tuner. Or should I say, auto tune her.
Unless you're one of those pussy ass dudes who behaves like one of them weak ass sitcom dads (you know the type, "duh, I'm just the dumb neanderthal man who can't even zip up my daughter's jacket without my wife, duh") then get crackin' and make it happen, captain.
Auto tune her yourself! Deep down inside she'll love it, even if her girlfriends tell her otherwise. Lol
I just bought a remote controlled.. um tuner for the wife. And I can't wait till the world opens and we get to go walk around and make her squeal. Always good to keep it fun.
I installed the FuelPak and the BEST feature of this is the throttle control. I set it to Moderate and a year later it is the best upgrade on my bike. I've rode in a club and we would ride hard, I'd have to throw my wrist back taking off and still not be fast enough at times. Being able to turn my wrist half as much but get the same acceleration is amazing. There is an aggressive and 1:1 setting as well, which I haven't tried but my concern is tickets. Even with moderate sometimes I speed faster than I'm thinking I'm going because how little I have to turn my wrist.
is it safe to leave the fp3 on the bike?
Mines been on the bike for months, no problem
Ride With Dinosaur absolutely. Just take it off before you visit the dealer for any warranty work. The FP3 has limited tuning (tells ecm rich or lean at stoic) so it won’t change much. Wide band (18 mm) gives the tuner values to adjust by to create a better map.
thank you for the reply guys
HD Screaming Eagle for me. Doesn't void warranty and it just works. It married to the bike so if you have more then one bike you need one for each bike.
TTS MasterTune??
My TTS Master Tune works Great!
The best
Had no idea the power vision didn’t have to stay with the bike. Need this for my minimalistic night train. Just went thru hell with a set of new “c” revision lifters. If you don’t have a video on the HD lifter topic- we need one!
Thundermax!
Thunder max replaces your ECM, so if it goes bad your out $799. It is very in depth for major mods and leaves everything on the table. Can’t go wrong here. Great recommendation, but I prefer Power Vision.
He explains in the video why he doesn't like the t-Max.
@@bigdawgqc and he is almost 100% wrong in everything he said about it LOL
I used the Vance and Hines fp3 on my bike in the past very easy to use especially if someone like me that isn't smart phone friendly was able to use it
Hey John, what are your thoughts on the Master Tuner by TTS? Ever play around with them?
My understanding is, at one time, TTS made the Screamin Eagle tuner for The Motor Company. It was about the time H-D got their Dick stomped on by the EPA, H-D and TTS went their separate ways. TTS wanted to ADD to the ability the Screamin Eagle Tuner had and H-D said NO! H-D wanted to remove some of what was currently on the Screamin Eagle Tuner.
Here is the link to the TTS Master Tuner: mastertune.net/products_mastertune.html
The H-D Dealer I use has a Technician who builds and tunes H-D Drag Bikes, Strip not Street Drag Bikes! With a little “Magic”, he was able to get 101hp and 118ftlbs out of my slightly modified 103 Twin Cam! His “Magic” made my bike perform and sound GREAT! Next time we are shooting for 150hp 150ftlbs!
As always, THANK YOU for making GREAT Videos!
What dealer do you go to?
Not John...FWIW, TTS is just as good as PV. TTS made H-Ds SERT "race tuner". Replaced by the "Super Tuner" in '08. TTS could never keep up with demand for SERTs...always on BO..limited quantities to dealers because of supply. This went on for many years...we assumed that's why H-D went to the Super Tuner from a diff vendor (Kent Moore), never an availability prob since.. Steve (TTS) must have covered his butt well about non-competing...cause they came out with the MasterTune shortly after Harley dropped them.
@@tracyblake9707 One south of the Twin Cities in MN.
@@bthere7437 I have a 2011 Street Glide 103. I had my dealer & dyno-tuner do an "Upgrade" once I had the 500mi "Break-in" on the clock. I'm happy with the results!
John, you are dead on that Power Vision is a great option. This unit has saved me thousands being able to read bike sensors on the fly. I have created a few videos using it to figure out why my bike was going into limp mode. I was able to watch the twist grip voltage and compare it to the carb butterfly position voltage. Recently I used it to diagnose what my battery voltage was compared to the regulator voltage.
Lately I started using the Data Log feature to monitor what the bike was doing as I drove it.
Best of all, DynoJet opens this tuner up to configure just about anything on their PC program.
Love it and brag on it all the time. Single handedly the best tool for Harley's.
Which ones best for my 1989 XLH1200?
LOLZ,... trick question, NONE OF THE ABOVE
Fone Zombie back when man ruled technology with manual force! 😂
@@newbelgium4 You got that right NB4! A new shorty carburetor was cheaper & more effective for me ;)
Bought fp3. Ok for exhaust and intake.
Tried it with S&S 551 and SE 255 cam swaps in my 96TC. Waste of time, bought Thundermax and love it, works great. Don’t waste your money if you are swapping cams.
Thundermax
The thundermax does allow you to get a fob and security system programmed. I have a 2007 road king and the local dealer had no issues installing the security system . As for plugging into the shop computer . The thundermax reads all and any code thats comes up . Just need the thundermax software to read it . Its extremely user friendly .
My dealer installed my V&H Short Shots and FP3 from the showroom floor and flashed the Stage 1 map,guess my dealer void my warranty without even asking me.
No if you got the work done when new your good. I have a 883 and did the stage 1 all good.but that VandH fule pack could be a problem. Screaming eagle is the way to keep that warranty.
My local HD dealer specifically pointed out, that the V&H does NOT void warranty, nor alter emissions, regardless if they do the install, or you do it at home. V&H also claims no warranty damage.
It comes down to ur dealer. Always take it to the same place. If you are road tripping and break down just tell them not to hook up to the computer. Once ur VIN is in the computer ur 2 year warranty is gone. Just talk to the local service manager at ur local Harley and they won’t do you dirty. It’s all EPA. It isn’t Harley, it’s the government I’ve been told. Had that issue on my 18 FatBob.
My bike is carbed so a tuner won't do me much good but I will comment on the Kove speaker. It is very impression. The stereo imaging when separated is great. The subs aren't really noticable until you get the volume up. At full volume, it is pretty loud especially for its size. Several friends have ordered one after hearing mine.
The old orange super tuner is as good as the power vision IMO.
I have a stage 2 power cam hd auto tuner wbo2 have had no problems bike runs great not the most power but very reliable 14000 miles on bike no issues
I think the Harley setup is a solid balance of performance and reliability
One additional note about the Screamin Eagle tuner, in my experience only the Harley dealer will Dyno your bike. I was able to get good readings on the road but that was one scary ride. With my all Harley screamin eagle mufflers and breather the Road King runs like a dream and sounds awesome. For me that combo works but probably won't work for everyone. Great vid, thanks.
I wish I would have watched this yesterday. I’ve been talking to fuel Moto and decided to get the PowerVision three… It’s the one without the big screen.
I had a Dynojet PC5 on my 2011 Road Glide Ultra CVO, and just as you pointed out in the video, it got crushed and damaged under the seat. To Dynojet's credit, they did send me a new unit, but I opted instead to used the Vance and Hines tuner and could not be happier with the results. Great video brother...keep 'em coming!!!
Great channel. Thanks for great info.I saw you at the World Record Ride in Paris, TX. I wish I could have met you in person. I am on my fourth Harley. The first three I only did Stage 1. My current bike, a 2017 Road King Special, I did Stage 2 with the S&S 465 cam and their cam plate, oil pump, lifters and billet tappet cuffs and Screaming Eagle adjustable pushrods and Extreme Flow intake combined with V&H Daytona 400 slip ons. I have used V&H FP3 on all and I have never been disappointed. I admit, I have never had a bike on a dyno and I may not know what I am missing, but my RKS with the above parts runs like a dream even though I use the map from the FP3. It is a thrill to ride. For the average rider the FP3 adjusts way more than a non professional probably ought to fool around with, but I like to be able to download a map, adjust throttle response and read codes and, since I leave mine hooked up under the left side cover, I can use my phone for real time information on a ton of things too numerous to list here. And you are right about V&H customer support in real time via phone, outstanding, can't be beat. Thanks, again, for a great channel.
Purchased the Kove speaker ,they sound great and a good price shipped fast.
I've left my power vision on accidentally at car washes and blasted it directly ...it is robust enough for freaking rain Even torrential downpours. beats the other's hands down for the gauge package clusters you can put up analog or digital gear indicators RPM temperature even show actual AFR map.
One other important aspect of the PV unit is the fact that it can support multiple bikes via Dynojets license process. The FP3 nor the SEPST do not offer this and the savings is worth it. At $199 per license, its cheaper than buying a tuner for each bike.
You can use the Harley Wide Bands on the PowerVision. I that configuration now and makes a big difference using the power vision over the Harley tuner.