I was there. It lasted more than three hours. I remember seeing cameras recording it. Is any more of it available on youtube or anywhere? I also remember it started with Cecil dancing and chanting and a lot of the middle was in conventional swing rhythm, Cecil comping while Roscoe, Lester, and Joseph each took solos. In and out, a lot of everything, and no break.
Cecil is one of the most under-appreciated geniuses around. He took what Art Tatum did and advanced it light years. Such sophisticated and complex music.
Underappreciated?! Seriously? He's been a jazz giant for decades, recording and jamming with all the jazz greats. Check his discography if you think he's underappreciated.
No kidding. I'm not talking about people who dig jazz, and I wrote and collected it, also being fortunate enough to meet and know many of the best players. It's not the amount of records someone puts out but the scope of their audience. You ask the average person on the street who Cecil Taylor is and they do not have a clue. Ask them who Kim Kardashian is and the recognition factor soars. That's the sad reality of our culture.
??? Is English your second language? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about the state of American culture and you totally missed the point! Waste of time. Bye
I got your point; I merely don't agree with it. American culture means different things to different people. Unlike many people in life, Cecil Taylor has made a living doing what he loves. I don't think that's sad. Did I break a commenting rule by disagreeing with you?
The point of weird melodies and disjointed grooves is they throw the focus on to the sounds and moods. I enjoy a good melody or groove as much as anyone but this music has its own charm IMO. It's pretty funny at times too. Love it. Some people need a sweet melody or groovy beat EVERY time. It depends what you're looking for and sometimes on your mood.
I saw in ARTE TV great concerts of them with Cecil Taylor and its something extremely interesting specially seeing them , Cecil is also a so creative person !
I think this is summed up by the look on lester bowie's face during that opening where cecil does his melancholy solo bit, when he hints at the jazz ballad tradition only to elude it..amazing.
@TokenRah Intelligence is one thing, yes, but perhaps a certain receptiveness and openness, first of all. It is indeed hard to accept that many people will always just shut their ears and hearts to the beauty of this.
could you imagine how tempting it would be to harmonize? or create a pulse? amazing control to stay away from normal conventions but still maintain cohesiveness...
I like it, but it does stretch the ear. The tune isn't as abrasive as many would assume, there's definitely melody, harmony, and rhythm here. It does swing as well, and I'm saying this as an avid Basie and Ellington fan. There's something hidden in this music, just a matter of being willing to search for it. It's not a matter of intelligence, intelligence is a farce. I hated Cecil's stuff when I first started to listen to him and now he's growing on me.
It is just a matter of education and passion rather than intelligence. Personally, I am quite happy that my musical tastes as in many other fields differ quite pretty from those of many primordial apes still suviving the stone age.
Thank you very much! I have not seen Cecil since '78 and that was him doing a solo gig, and I really miss Lester Bowie's work. Is the rest of this available?
Cecil, a great musician, is reflecting on the early 20th century musicians whose music was the roots of what we know as Avant Garde Jazz for those of you who want some inspirational elements the likes of Cecil Taylor CHECK OUT LEO ORNSTEIN
wow! these negative comments are unbelievable! I mean, you all are def. entitled to your opinions but your interpretation of this as shit really confounds me.
I came to this vid with an open mind. I am a drummer and the only discrepancy I have with free form jazz is how people bash on gospel style drumming and things like punk rock drumming for doing the same type of free form interpretation that this style of music does, yet if it is jazz it is something more than just random playing, it is now musical expression. That's the only thing I hate, at least from a drummers stand point. If your expressing yourself u should get the same respect these
I look in this way, I have to agree with this sentence. But, at the same time, the pressure of the market competition is not very benevolent for art, because the corruption of artists to do Hollywood-style music is very, very heavy, cit: gyorgy ligeti
@mjedelman check out LEO ORNSTEIN (clusterphobia at its best) CECIL'S ROOTS LAY DEEP IN THIS COMPOSER'S Early 20th century writing hence JS BACH still does it in a profound way
I don't think this works at all. Maybe the music of the Art Ensemble is just not compatible with Taylor's music. At any rate, what I hear is two musics which don't engage with each other. The assumption that there is such a thing as "The Avant Garde", with a consistent set of practices, is shown here to be an illusion. Maybe there's a parallel with bop: the fact that there are no successful recordings of Monk with either Bird or Gillespie shows that they were really taking music in different directions. Also, Taylor wasn't known for being very responsive to players outside his circle of followers: the recording with Mary Lou Williams is an example of what I mean. On the other hand, there's the sensitive way he reacts to Bill Dixon. Maybe the AEC/Taylor date was just not a good day for anyone.
Richard Leigh To each his/her own. I hear so much that’s playing and listening in an unforced and genuine responsive sense that I could listen and watch over and over, which in fact I’m doing.
"there are no successful recordings of Monk with either Bird or Gillespie" Wrong!!! There is "Bird and Diz," an album which features all three. At the time Monk was not as well known as Parker, so it was considered a suprising and significant choice to have him be selected to play on the album. Check out the track "bloomdido," I highly recommend it. Great solos from Parker and Monk!
@@sebastianschweigert7117 I don't remember how much succsessful was that recording (I'll check it out immediatly after listening to this video), but I remember very well a live recording of Parker playing "well you needn't" with Monk - my impression about that recording is that Parker couldn't really fit in Monk's world: he hadn't a proper key. on the other hand Monk was all but a true bopper... so often he sounded inappropriate in that context. Just my point of view (and I could change it)
lester bowie! heart and soul. conjuring forms with cecil, joseph, don, mal and roscoe. a soundtrack for the nervous systems of humanoid planet earth. psychic communions to learn from and savor.
nope - it sounds like a virtuoso piano player, that's what he actuallt was. the point is that you haven't got enough musical education. The problem here being only your assunption that you can give such definitive evaluations regardless your personal level of knowledge. Had you said " I don't like it" it would have been absolutely appropriate.
Your comments are not logical. Why blame the Art Ensemble for the lack of creativity and originality of your fellow students? And college ain't gonna help them if they don't have any talent.
You are off on some ignorant tangent. This isn't the future of jazz, it's the past and the present. And who cares? Back then nobody cared about "the future" or movements. It was about exploration and expression. Get out of academia. You are what's wrong with jazz in college. Stop reading about Wynton Marsalis's jazz reformation. Really. It's sad how corporate some of you kids are coming out of jazz school. You can sure play licks and scales, though. You're oh so legitimate.
Again, the same f'ing riff. He starts out saying something unique and then the same pattern! Unbelievable. Why don't people ask him why he plays the same thing over and over and over and over!
These guys are the musician's equivalent of Jackson Pollack. "I actually am a great artist, but instead of painting you something that resembles art, I'm just gonna throw paint at the fucking wall and CALL it art". These guys are the same way. Actually great musicians, but instead of playing something that has the fundamental makings of music or song, such as having a time signature or anything resembling cadence or rhythm, they just play random notes in succession and call it music. And no, Jimmy Hendrix did not do the same thing as this but on a guitar.
You have no idea what you're talking about. This is a little like someone with no understanding of algebra, even, complaining that higher maths make absolutely no sense.
actually the man was a virtuoso player (and a competent musician would immediatly check it out besides his/her own tastes) with a degree at New England Conservatory. So: the man knew how to play piano. If you can't check out this you are not entitled to say nothing more than "I like it" or "I don't like it" period.
I was there. It lasted more than three hours. I remember seeing cameras recording it. Is any more of it available on youtube or anywhere? I also remember it started with Cecil dancing and chanting and a lot of the middle was in conventional swing rhythm, Cecil comping while Roscoe, Lester, and Joseph each took solos. In and out, a lot of everything, and no break.
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Hi Gordan that's the link to entire concert
Cecil is one of the most under-appreciated geniuses around. He took what Art Tatum did and advanced it light years. Such sophisticated and complex music.
Underappreciated?! Seriously? He's been a jazz giant for decades, recording and jamming with all the jazz greats. Check his discography if you think he's underappreciated.
No kidding. I'm not talking about people who dig jazz, and I wrote and collected it, also being fortunate enough to meet and know many of the best players. It's not the amount of records someone puts out but the scope of their audience. You ask the average person on the street who Cecil Taylor is and they do not have a clue. Ask them who Kim Kardashian is and the recognition factor soars. That's the sad reality of our culture.
I guess I don't find it sad. I rather doubt Cecil Taylor, Lester Bowie, and so on, find (or found) their careers sad.
??? Is English your second language? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about the state of American culture and you totally missed the point! Waste of time. Bye
I got your point; I merely don't agree with it. American culture means different things to different people. Unlike many people in life, Cecil Taylor has made a living doing what he loves. I don't think that's sad. Did I break a commenting rule by disagreeing with you?
This is jazz.
Purest form. Truest notes.
It's like talking, but better.
RIP Cecil. You are sublime.
This is beautiful and incredible.
Twenty fine years later, and it's still revolutionary sounding.
It still is, 30 years later.
The point of weird melodies and disjointed grooves is they throw the focus on to the sounds and moods.
I enjoy a good melody or groove as much as anyone but this music has its own charm IMO. It's pretty funny at times too. Love it.
Some people need a sweet melody or groovy beat EVERY time. It depends what you're looking for and sometimes on your mood.
So freakin sublime! Ahhhh, Lester!
Cecil and Lester totally locked in .... amazing.
Thanks for this ❤
a rare treat - thank you~
This is incredible.
Thank you for posting this beautiful music
I saw in ARTE TV great concerts of them with Cecil Taylor and its something extremely interesting specially seeing them , Cecil is also a so creative person !
this brings back memories..... thanks
What a stunning perfomance!!
I think this is summed up by the look on lester bowie's face during that opening where cecil does his melancholy solo bit, when he hints at the jazz ballad tradition only to elude it..amazing.
these guys are like the parliament funkadelics of jazz
Apt description.
No funkadelic so here...!! Pure JAZZ THATS IT..!!
@TokenRah Intelligence is one thing, yes, but perhaps a certain receptiveness and openness, first of all. It is indeed hard to accept that many people will always just shut their ears and hearts to the beauty of this.
i could listen to cecil for a hour.
FANTASTICO
Yes, with music is FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👋👋🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🙏
Incredible sounds.
amazing. the infinite realms of free jazz.
This is music! Very beautiful music...
¡Esto es música! Muy bella música...
Yes, this 10 minutes video is taken from a one hour great concert video of Art Ensemble with Cecil.You can find it in Soulseek
lovely.
🎼🪄✨...Beautiful Piece... Remembering ✨Lester Bowie✨on his Birthday, October 11th...Much love & respect to The Family,
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It's happening!
❤
so expressive...
could you imagine how tempting it would be to harmonize? or create a pulse? amazing control to stay away from normal conventions but still maintain cohesiveness...
this is music!
¡esto es música!
I like it, but it does stretch the ear. The tune isn't as abrasive as many would assume, there's definitely melody, harmony, and rhythm here. It does swing as well, and I'm saying this as an avid Basie and Ellington fan. There's something hidden in this music, just a matter of being willing to search for it. It's not a matter of intelligence, intelligence is a farce. I hated Cecil's stuff when I first started to listen to him and now he's growing on me.
pickinstone it just takes patience and stretching your ears and brain a little.....
It is just a matter of education and passion rather than intelligence.
Personally, I am quite happy that my musical tastes as in many other fields differ quite pretty from those of many primordial apes still suviving the stone age.
Top notch
Thank you very much! I have not seen Cecil since '78 and that was him doing a solo gig, and I really miss Lester Bowie's work. Is the rest of this available?
jeez! I just couldn't stop patting my foot and bobbing my head..???????????????
yeah, they're speakin their own language. This is the JAZZ. Listening and singing. Improvising. FREE COMMUNITY.
quit arguing and listen and relax
This music is so fucked up, that i love it!
Got into the groove! Now where is the rest?
This is free jazz.Needs repeated listening for appreciation. This is similar to modern classical music. Check the music of people like John Cage .
Lol, i'm pretty sure Taylor and Cage didn't like each other much.
@@Tachot123 I'm pretty sure the first respected the latter - Cage had a very bad opinion on jazz at all, including free forms.
Great Black Music.
très puisssant ... !
just listen again.
think:open
@BIGH07 I agree with you, but one might add that It's helpful if you know what you are doing ...
right on, Daddy-O ... it's Kool for Cats and Hip to the Rythmn !
i little bit out of synch, but absolutely awesome. Love the duo Cecil/Lester, from 2:35 on
Cecil, a great musician, is reflecting on the early 20th century musicians whose music was the roots of what we know as Avant Garde Jazz for those of you who want some inspirational elements the likes of Cecil Taylor CHECK OUT LEO ORNSTEIN
At the very beginning, look at Lester, Cecil does that to you.
大巨人ｾｼﾙ･ﾃｲﾗｰのピアノがいつになくモノ悲しい､WITH ｱｰﾄ･アンサンブル･ｵﾌﾞ･ｼｶｺﾞ､６０年末期の激動を思い出す!素晴らし! #jazzm
wow! these negative comments are unbelievable! I mean, you all are def. entitled to your opinions but your interpretation of this as shit really confounds me.
OK!!!!!!
Although Miles Davis didn't embrace free jazz ,at a certain part of his career his music contained free jazz elements.
abstract jazz, not my favorite, but jazz would not be complete without it
The importance of your statement can't be overstressed. Btw I've my share of free jazz. Although it's not what I normally play.
@@paxwallacejazz My taste does include dissonance and a number of different scales but I like tonality. I suppose in this respect I'm conventional.
Like eatin your broccoli lol!!
I came to this vid with an open mind. I am a drummer and the only discrepancy I have with free form jazz is how people bash on gospel style drumming and things like punk rock drumming for doing the same type of free form interpretation that this style of music does, yet if it is jazz it is something more than just random playing, it is now musical expression. That's the only thing I hate, at least from a drummers stand point. If your expressing yourself u should get the same respect these
THIS IS A PEARL
ASTOUNDING!!!
Is it Lester Bowie on trump?
ｾｼﾙ･ﾃｲﾗｰ と A E C (1984)､爽快に息苦しくなった! #jazzm
@johannjakobfroberger The whole thing is out of sync lol. Still sounds good.
Who are the sidemen?
I look in this way, I have to agree with this sentence. But, at the same time, the pressure of the market competition is not very benevolent for art, because the corruption of artists to do Hollywood-style music is very, very heavy,
cit: gyorgy ligeti
@mjedelman
check out LEO ORNSTEIN (clusterphobia at its best) CECIL'S ROOTS LAY DEEP IN THIS COMPOSER'S Early 20th century writing
hence JS BACH still does it in a profound way
I don't think this works at all. Maybe the music of the Art Ensemble is just not compatible with Taylor's music. At any rate, what I hear is two musics which don't engage with each other. The assumption that there is such a thing as "The Avant Garde", with a consistent set of practices, is shown here to be an illusion. Maybe there's a parallel with bop: the fact that there are no successful recordings of Monk with either Bird or Gillespie shows that they were really taking music in different directions. Also, Taylor wasn't known for being very responsive to players outside his circle of followers: the recording with Mary Lou Williams is an example of what I mean. On the other hand, there's the sensitive way he reacts to Bill Dixon. Maybe the AEC/Taylor date was just not a good day for anyone.
thank you for your thoughtful comment
Richard Leigh To each his/her own. I hear so much that’s playing and listening in an unforced and genuine responsive sense that I could listen and watch over and over, which in fact I’m doing.
"there are no successful recordings of Monk with either Bird or Gillespie" Wrong!!! There is "Bird and Diz," an album which features all three. At the time Monk was not as well known as Parker, so it was considered a suprising and significant choice to have him be selected to play on the album. Check out the track "bloomdido," I highly recommend it. Great solos from Parker and Monk!
@@sebastianschweigert7117 I don't remember how much succsessful was that recording (I'll check it out immediatly after listening to this video), but I remember very well a live recording of Parker playing "well you needn't" with Monk - my impression about that recording is that Parker couldn't really fit in Monk's world: he hadn't a proper key. on the other hand Monk was all but a true bopper... so often he sounded inappropriate in that context. Just my point of view (and I could change it)
I checked out Bloomdido and I'm sorry to confirm my idea: it is not such a succsessful recording at all.
大巨人､ｾｼﾙ･ﾃｲﾗｰだ､何故か荘厳でモノ悲しい響き､withｱｰﾄ･ｱﾝｻﾝﾌﾞﾙ･ｵﾌﾞ･ｼｶｺﾞ～あの60年代後期が甦る! #jazzm
lester bowie! heart and soul.
conjuring forms with cecil, joseph, don, mal and roscoe.
a soundtrack for the nervous systems of humanoid planet earth. psychic communions to learn from and savor.
ohhhhh, scary lol , yet beautiful .
for people who don't get the music....
one answer
drugs :D
Why are you being so mean?
@TokenRah holy shit dude
Jimi Hendrix on Drums
FORWARDS EVER BACKWARDS NEVER
this sounds like one of those kids that bas the piano wen they first learn.
nope - it sounds like a virtuoso piano player, that's what he actuallt was. the point is that you haven't got enough musical education. The problem here being only your assunption that you can give such definitive evaluations regardless your personal level of knowledge. Had you said " I don't like it" it would have been absolutely appropriate.
WOW...Cecil is extraordinary...so subtle and forceful.....ouch...so many things in his music
Don't be so mean man... That's not needed at all.
jazz musicians do. Point Blank...
Your comments are not logical. Why blame the Art Ensemble for the lack of creativity and originality of your fellow students? And college ain't gonna help them if they don't have any talent.
I dont get it. I'm a huge fan of jazz, but I can't get into this.
That's ok, just listen.....
You are off on some ignorant tangent. This isn't the future of jazz, it's the past and the present. And who cares? Back then nobody cared about "the future" or movements. It was about exploration and expression. Get out of academia. You are what's wrong with jazz in college. Stop reading about Wynton Marsalis's jazz reformation. Really. It's sad how corporate some of you kids are coming out of jazz school. You can sure play licks and scales, though. You're oh so legitimate.
Again, the same f'ing riff. He starts out saying something unique and then the same pattern! Unbelievable. Why don't people ask him why he plays the same thing over and over and over and over!
It's an animal farm isn't it?
It takes a certain level of intelligence to get whats going on here.
This is true: Cecil Taylor is repetitive (and he hasn't swing)
Ricardo: you are even more repetitive even if you change nickname... swing ... is it necessary to have swing in order to have good music? I think not.
These guys are the musician's equivalent of Jackson Pollack. "I actually am a great artist, but instead of painting you something that resembles art, I'm just gonna throw paint at the fucking wall and CALL it art". These guys are the same way. Actually great musicians, but instead of playing something that has the fundamental makings of music or song, such as having a time signature or anything resembling cadence or rhythm, they just play random notes in succession and call it music. And no, Jimmy Hendrix did not do the same thing as this but on a guitar.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
This is a little like someone with no understanding of algebra, even, complaining that higher maths make absolutely no sense.
cecil's playing has actually very little randomness to it, from a harmonic point of view already...
You don't know much about art or music.
Dogmatic point of view, You are not a free artist
My IQ dropped drastically after seeing this
Ironically it would only take a low IQ to comment some shit like this
OMG is this what people consider music?? Learn how to play piano!
Learn to tie a noose. And then put it to use
Your soul sucks man..!!
actually the man was a virtuoso player (and a competent musician would immediatly check it out besides his/her own tastes) with a degree at New England Conservatory. So: the man knew how to play piano. If you can't check out this you are not entitled to say nothing more than "I like it" or "I don't like it" period.