Teams are NOT Happy With NASCAR's Latest Charter Proposal
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Lets gather 30 mil so we can buy an SHR charter for OOTG Motorsports
I'm down
Whos got a go fund me account
I’m down
Then we will need about another 10 million for everything else .
Stupid
Boy, if only some of us saw some possible issues with the charter system and voiced it before it was implemented.
Haa !
Been there, done that - and I still have the souvenir T-shirt!
@@twoblacklabs904 the indy tshirt or the CART tshirt?
Oh no some young hip yeebo fanboys might come out and bash you. Look out!
Gee I wonder why Tony Stewart is closing his race shop.
Cause they can't race for top 10s anymore let alone win
@@Staysick17 That's what a Bruins fan would say
@@marcforget33 shr doesn't have good equipment it's the truth alot Bruin's haters lol
@@Staysick17 If that was a reason to close the race team Rick Ware would’ve closed years ago
@@marcforget33 maybe he should he's probably losing money anyway
France family:
I have an idea
How about nascar as a live service with microtransactions.
Probly the dumbest idea ive heard all day😂🤣
Don't give them any ideas
Don't compare the France family to god damn EA lmao
@@KG_Dreamkiller As a nascar fan i have had to stop calling it "wrestling on wheels"and call it is as of today"Private equity figure eights"
I hate you right now for saying this
bruh my body is gonna stop functioning and wither away before the charter deal gets done… 💀
Okay💀
💀
*Denny delivers getting lowered into his grave"
*He burst out with a camera and records himself while screaming *TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE DID!*
*goes back to death*
*Shows no charter*
We’re going to get gta6 before that deal is done lol
We'll have fast and furious 11 before the deal is done
The sad fact is that the France Family has benefited from ALMOST every single prop in your studio. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a fan of the sport or not. The fact that their companies are tied to everything that makes the sport functional. It almost makes the sport a joke that they are now considering purchasing their own Charter’s.
"The Race Team Alliance (RTA) is a 501(c)(6) Organization based in Charlotte, North Carolina, founded by Businessman, and former NASCAR Team Stakeholder, Rob Kauffman. The organization currently consists of 15 NASCAR Cup Series teams, and is led by Jonathan Marshall. The organization negotiates with NASCAR on major topics within the League on behalf of NASCAR Race Teams in said topics, including the implementation of the Charter System, and negotiating Media Rights deals. The organization within recent years has also overseen Expansion, including the purchase of a Motorsports News site, along with a now-defunct NASCAR Esports League."
Tony is somewhere laughing right now with all this chaos and confusion lol
It's so interesting how the narrative surrounding charters has seemed to change. They seemed to be very unpopular at first, and now the conflict between NASCAR and the teams has changed things up a bit with fans' opinions. I personally don't think charters should be a thing
On one hand, it might limit the number of new teams with a huge up front buy-in. But on the other hand, starting a team with a charter means you always have some asset worth money even if your team fails to be financially solvent.
Fans might want to keep the idea of the 1970s style owner drivers scraping by on a shoestring but somehow able to compete with sheer grit. But perhaps that has been dead for three decades already and the charter system didn’t kill it, only the fan’s remaining delusion.
@@extragoogleaccount6061 having a bunch of dollar bills is an asset, until the value of the dollar tanks or the entire country folds. Then it's toilet paper or less.
Gold and oil though is another thing, and NASCAR won't let up its "gold and oil" and instead wants to print money.
The France Family owning a charter is almost a safety net. Imagine SHR sells all 4. But only 3 teams purchase. A member of the France Family can now purchased back the charter and run a team. It works in IndyCar. It works in IMSA. The specific charter is still being purchased and sold on the free market.
Makes business sense to be an option.
Good point.
That’d be cool if they supported a small team on the come up. With the hope they’d be successful and their shop could purchase a future charter on their own.
Unlike stick and ball leagues is NASCAR makes the ball, owns the courts and those that come to play can't go home with the ball.
Its easier following here than even the Nascar App to stay up to date on everything Nascar. Keep up the great work!!
The France's are used to complete and absolute power. No driver's unions, little say from teams on how the sport actually operates. NASCAR has produced a great product overall the 76 year history, but I think they are stagnant and outdated in their actions of how to grow the sport in the 21st century. I don't believe in dictatorships in government or sports. I want to see NASCAR move in the direction of how other sports operate between franchises and a governing body. The France family seems like they are going to greed themselves into the grave.
Denny and Michael think they are bigger than the sport. Michael comes in and wants to change things. They want more control over a business they didn’t build.
@@johnhaas2523 the brand is dying and can croak soon enough
I respectfully completely disagree with your comments. The sport does not "need to grow." They are not stagnant and outdated. And, I do not want to see NASCAR move in the direction of how other sports operate. These would be a complete disaster.
charters should not be a thing. they NEVER should have been a thing.
You win dumbest comment of the day.
True, but it's to late now. NASCAR made those owners spend 20-30 million bucks to get one, and now they wanna get rid of them ? Nope, that ain't gonna work. If NASCAR wants to dump the charter system, then they can write a check to every team that bought them
@@VladimirBlarp agreed
@@VladimirBlarp true. they opened padora's box, but they should have left it closed. while i do feel for the teams that bought one, they have never said they would be a permanent thing, so that's a little on the teams at that point.
@@justinwilliford7151 It was initially done for purse money. Non chartered teams get much smaller payouts than chartered teams get
On the one hand I am worried for the sport, but on the other hand I'm glad NASCAR is getting punished for a stupid idea. They get away with too many.
The thing is, NASCAR effectively created this monster, and now it's to late to turn back. You get rid of the charter system and it could end up bankrupting the teams (especially the smaller teams) in the long run. Then you have NASCAR wanting to potentially own their own charters, which possess a problem as you have some fans shouting "NASCAR IS A RIGGED SPORT", and them owning charters is only going to fuel that even more than what it is now! This could get really ugly if this keeps going!
@@johnhaas2523 Who gives a rip who the CEO was at the time the charter system was created! The point is, all of of this is still NASCAR's doing, regardless of who the CEO was at the time! They created all of this and now they've effectively dug themselves a hole that quite honestly I'm not sure they can get out of!
@@randallellison6421 agreed nascar did this to themselves a long time ago.
I used think nascar was planned like wrestling
Its gonna get ugly regardless.
@xXx3OOOv2 oh you know it will, they're in to deep now for it not to!
I've been watching NASCAR since the late 60's. It was great back in the day. Not so much anymore 😕
I miss the old Nascar, too and the racing was better then.
Nascars leadership is destroying NASCAR.
They gotta pay for rehab somehow
Having followed NASCAR for 40+ years, it's ALWAYS been NASCAR that has been greedy, power hungry and unreasonable.
Tony is brilliant getting out.
Tony saw the path that the current NASCAR leadership is taking and punched the ejection seat button before a crash took him out. A wise decision to exit on his own terms.
No hes not. Hes lazy
Looking back, Haas trying to sell their charters before the new charter agreement should have been a big red flag
Sell high as possible before the business folds and you get nothing..same as stocks
This is what 2 decades and 2 bad managements does to NASCAR, for ya.
With or without the stupid charters. There’s SOOOOOO MANY problems with NASCAR and the charters is one of them. Makes it worse than better
Yes, but last weekend races at Sonoma.... just watch the races, they are the best.
@@kg0173 that’s great but that wasn’t my point at all
Idk dude, I believe these charters bring some power to the teams and make them able to make some decisions, taking power away from the France Family. Taking power from them is great because the way they have been running this sport is terrible…
@@guilhermericco631 idk dude, these charters are exclusives that only the rich and big teams can afford while the small teams continuously have to fight to race in the Daytona 500, and never see a full entry list outside the 500 and even Dega if lucky, and charters are stupidly expensive…. It’s also not the right away to create a team from the ground up as well.
Whatever crap NASCAR continues to get, they deserve it because this is 2 decades of garbage management and 2 decades of bad changes.
The same argument has been made since the dawn of nascar. Great teams like Petty, Allison, Holman Moody, Junior Johnson, Bud Moore, etc have gone away and racing still exists. If Penske, Hendrick, Gibbs fade away, others will be there to take their place.
1. INDY Racing League and CART
2. PGA and Liv golf
3. HIGH Limits abd World of Outlaws(maybe)
Enjoy this amazing season while it lasts.
The sport might be cooked.
It's already getting close, but the teams are trying to set things up how it is in F1, they want to have the power to decide who can and can't compete with them. NASCAR is the ultimate example of "if it's not broke, don't fix it." they had the world and they threw it all away.
Yep. They really did.
They threw it away when they abandoned its heart and soul of the Southeastern USA
NASCAR teams should hold out. Similar to the MLB strike of the 90s
I could see that coming.
I agree. I think the teams have more leverage than NASCAR thinks.
A strike would be fun. They skip a race. Void their charter. And its available to someone who wants to race. Next
History teaches us that NASCAR will continue to operate and succeed. For proof, go back and read the editorial by Big Bill France in the January 1970 issue of Stock Car Racing Magazine. Big Bill explained why NASCAR chose to race when most of the big name drivers decided to boycott the first Taledega race. The race went on, and new drivers and teams entered the sport. At least one team is still racing today.
Very interesting but honestly we're getting close to a NASCAR split like cart and Indy car.
I think it's gonna happen before the end of the decade, nobody besides the NASCAR executives are happy with the direction the sport is going, car owners can't be happy because the gen 7 cars they don't build cost way more than it did building them in house, drivers hate the car, and it prematurely ended Kurt Busch's career.
A split is all but impossible. NASCAR owns the tracks, NASCAR owns the car design, NASCAR limited the horsepower so they can use a spec engine if necessary, and NASCAR has the media deals. There is almost zero possibility that the existing teams can break off and form a new series. Tony Stewart demonstrated that.
The France Family has had a stronghold over the drivers for 75+ years and that will NEVER change.
Man, NASCAR needs to figure this out, maybe lean more towards the teams
I've said it once and I'll say it again. If the teams would just boycott a couple of races Mr Fat France will think twice about strong arming these teams.
The big issue with the negotiations is that Nascar isn't much without the race teams, and the race teams aren't much without Nascar.
Pay the chartered teams' expenses, like fuel and tires on the road, maintenance for the haulers, give out more TV money at the end of the season based on the position they finished in the standings, but get rid of the guaranteed spots in the race and make the worst charter get given out to the best finishing non-chartered entry...
And obviously, don't make them permanent. That's how I would solve the charter issue. Obviously the teams need more money, but they also need incentive to show up and compete.
Racing is supposed to be about the fastest cars who qualify get to race. But now it's who owns a charter gets to race. Not long ago in NASCAR anyone could have shown up and if they qualified they could race, but no more. The charters allow the teams to be lazy since they have no incentive since they are guaranteed to race, and allows them to be demanding that they need more of the pie. It's no longer about racing but about money. The France's created NASCAR - it's their pool so it should be their rules, if the teams don't like it then they should go elsewhere. Unfortunately NASCAR caved and created the charters giving the charter teams more power and cutting out the small guys who just want to race. Get rid of the charters, get rid of the spec cars, get rid of the playoffs, Make NASCAR Great Again.
@@johnhaas2523 Totally agree with you, I used to crew for a team at my local dirt track. NASCAR used to be like that before Brian France got involved.
You perfectly communicated my position!
It's better that something big happens now than later. If the big teams did a new series and built a car that is just made to be a great racecar without manufacturers' influence, it wouldn't be hard for them to take all the biggest names with them and get a platform where they can actually show what they're capable of. The fact that SRX was able to get the deal they did with the old names and casual energy should be extremely encouraging for the potential of something like this.
@@johnhaas2523 yeah no kidding, but I think it's silly for Eric to fear an outcome like that when I think it's kind of hope for a positive long term outcome. Otherwise, by the time things are dire enough for someone to make a split, it'll be too late to make anything of it anyway.
I wonder why they don't factor in counting the people who watch the race via in car camera? They are technically viewers.
Prediction.....the NASCAR Xfinity series will be the new premier series in stock car racing in 2025.
@@johnhaas2523 with all the charter shenanigans and the broken business model and the terrible Next Gen Car, the Xfinity series is what stock car racing should be. I'm not saying the cup series with cease to exist, but the barrier to entry is lower than in Cup.
They need to pull from Nascar completely and build a series like the cars tour or something
I love NASCAR the sport, I hate NASCAR the organization. More power to the teams.
If it wasn’t for the teams , there wouldn’t be a NASCAR anymore.
The teams need NASCAR & NASCAR needs the teams, but more importantly, they both need fans to keep the sport going. Not sure how this charter issue will turn out, but NASCAR can’t afford to lose too many more fans.
It’s just weird because the balance is so much more complicated than the normal arrangements we see in the big stick and ball sports. Instead of pretty much everything coming down to team owners united as the “league” dealing with the players, it’s the sanctioning body, the team owners & drivers, and the tracks all stuffed into a big Venn diagram of competing and overlapping interests.
NASCAR has all of the negotiating power here. Personally, this “less than ideal” proposal when compared to the last one is an attempt to strong-arm them because there wouldn’t be a split, it would be akin to NASCAR locking them out or teams just staying home.
good point
It's time the teams stay home.... sometimes that's what it takes
Instead of "stay at home" the big 3 could "start and park" and show that they have some power too.
@johnhaas2523 rick hendrick owns like 50 dealerships
Joe gibs is ready to retire
Roger penski owns indy car...
Stewart has just closed
.... tell me again where ur star power is and what nascar is without the drivers.. put nascar in their spot. So what. If it's not on tv. Go to a local track.
@@johnhaas2523 let's remember. Hendrick has been sponsoring larson as a primary sponsor and is choosing to continue even with offers out there..
The more I read and hear about the drivers and NASCAR, the more I'm convinced that there is a split on the way. There are plenty of tracks across the country where drivers can go race at. If the big teams leave NASCAR, NASCAR will have a hard time drawing any crowds from Daytona to Homestead.
What would be the point of a cost cap now? Everything is spec parts basically, the only thing teams are spending money on is probably sim stuff and maybe something with smt data or something besides paying employees and the costs of running a race shop. This isn't something thats gonna hinder HMS or JGR to the point where RWR or Kaulig is on par with them.
Not everything is spec parts, and they’re definitely still spending an exorbitant amount of money in engineering to get an advantage.
We'll experience the heat death of the universe before we get a charter agreement or Truex's retirement decision
MTJ will retire. he's ready and the season has been a clown show.
@@MidlifeCrisisManagement if he was retiring he would already said it he knows Gibbs needs an answer immediately he wants another championship
@@Staysick17 I hope I'm wrong.
The Frances family has always been greedy. They are the racing version of the Walton of Walmarts.
The Waltons of Walmart are an amazing American family.
@@matthewjohnston1400 Are you serious or is that sarcasm?
"Amazing American family," you said? Yeah, they are anti-labor, anti-regulation, pro-business, Corporatocracy, right-wing nut jobs who once sold items made in American, but now sell cheap ass stuff from China.
NASCAR owning charters is a HUGE conflict of interest.
I have no confidence that a deal will get done
Now the IndyCar split of the mid 1990s was for completely different reasons to what is going on currently with NASCAR and the teams. This included Tony George not being happy that IndyCar was losing American drivers to other racing series including NASCAR and he was particularly unhappy about losing Jeff Gordon to NASCAR.
We're going to have an Indy/Cart split with Hendrick putting money behind CARS tour and SMI following suit
Indycar looking at the charter debacle in nascar and thinking about going down the same path
That’s why the charters will never be as valuable as teams think they are…,.they are not franchises. Until that happens Nascar will always have control. They would all have to leave and start their own league with a commissioner. And having NASCAR own charters is absolutely ridiculous. If teams want to sell a “team” then they should be able to negotiate what they want for the team.
In reality, the teams have more leverage!! Nascar needs the teams! The teams do not need Nascar! There are 1000s of tracks that can be raced at. There are plenty of people with a lot of money that would step up and start another racing league!
Yeah, NASCAR is gonna have egg on their face if Chase Elliott and Kyle Larson are racing in front of a packed house on some little half mile in the rural South while the big races are barely 30% full and no name ARCA drivers are crashing into each other.
@@PaperBanjo64 Facts!
Some of the concepts of NASCAR or the France family owning Charters. If so that instead of the charter being brought and sold amongst teams. Like with V8 Supercars, the charter can be managed from internal sources of NASCAR or the France family doing the buying and selling on behalf of the teams.
Complicated and hard to explain. It is much like NASCAR and the France family being the broker as the go between in the transaction
Crazy left field idea. What does a future where something like the RTA just buys NASCAR from the France family? How crazy is it to think that this whole thing is just one giant charter negotiation where the charter is the NASCAR brand, and the RTA is a new team coming in, and the France family is SHR saying "screw it, we want to cash out and let you deal with this from here on out"
I'm pretty much just here to explore any chaotic ideas
They won't sell, they will run it into the dirt and declare bankruptcy instead, due the nature of power tripping foolishness
Thinking about France family owning charters.
INDYCAR Team Penske at St Petersburg
I have thought that can alleviate everything regarding characters. Have each team purchase “race licenses” for each car for one year. Let me explain, each team must purchase a “race license” for $1,000,00 dollars for one year, per car and payment is due by January 15. This would pay for each race (34) for the cost of $29,411.75. Only four car are allowed to enter per team. Now for the one off teams that would only want to run, let’s say 4 races, the cost is still the same but they must pay the cost of $29,411.75 by January 15. They chose which ever track they want to race at as long as the race has not been filled by the standard maximum entries. If team is unable to fulfill the race due to sponsorship, they can sell their entry to someone else but must inform NASCAR 7 day before race and can only sell the license for cost of the entire ($29,411.75).The team will still be responsible to purchase the standard items at the race like tires, fuel, etc. at the track. For those team that already have a “charter”, those charter teams will only be allowed to use “ charter” for 3 years which it will go void. For those teams, there cost would be $ 900,000 for the year.
After 4 years, NASCAR can raise the price by 5% as long they have approval from 50 percent of owners.
These teams could open up their own thing and the first race can be at Rockingham, Then we go cota, eldora, Iowa We can race at the Nashville fairgrounds.
There's plenty of tracks that we could go race at
How'd it work out for SRX? At the end of the day without major sponsorship dollars and a large TV package, it's just throwing money in fire.
It's interesting to hear the difference between Hamlin's doom and gloom view and Marks and Keselowski's more measured approach. The deal will get done.
The sky is falling. JRM is smart not going Cup.
JRM is *never* going to cup. Dale Jr. might buy into a team, But it’s not gonna be JRM, Probably Earnhardt-NAME HERE Motorsports
@@BraydenBunch58 JRM is essentially Hendrick's Development system anyways, he's probably going to run the ship with Gordon.
NASCAR has no respect for their teams and the owners. I would not toss my hat in the ring and expect any good to come of it. Greedy bastard NASCAR org
The France family is starting to give me Evil McMahon WWE vibes
there is one important factor you are not factoring in when it comes to the teams breaking away that makes it different from the SRX: if Hendrick, Gibbs, Penske, 23XI, et al leave and NASCAR goes bust, that creates a HUGE vacuum in the motorsports landscape. SRX didn't benefit from that. yeah, losing the Daytona 500 would suck, but there are ample SMI tracks they could run at who would love to pick up dates.
These charter disagreements are getting scary.
yep this could all boil over like with irl and cart.
They're getting scary for the teams. NASCAR holds all of the cards.
The cup series should run the xfinity cars. There aren't charters there. There isn't a need to remove a car with a flat tire. The 5 lug wheel always gave a warning before coming off. Way too many gimmicks now. Lucky dog,getting back on the lead lap by not pitting. Put metal bodies back on.
If they do a cost cap is based off total cars or same for everyone. Wouldn't that put a 2 car team above a 3 or 4 car team or am I skewed?
The charters were free to the teams when they were created. They now have something of value to sell when they want to where in the past all they had was some used parts and maybe an old building.
The teams will eventually break off and build their own racing organization. Just watch.
And burry NASCAR hard! The teams could put on better races than NASCAR!
I hope a deal gets done, I don't want to see NASCAR destroy itself like open wheel did with the war between Tony George and Roger Penske that led to the open wheel split. It could be France against Hendrick this time.
9:02 anyone remember champ car
This is a hard one!! Again it's the big teams that want the permanent charters! Smaller teams not so much! Think about it! Would it be a situation of the big getting bigger! I mentioned this before, smaller teams, smaller budgets, wouldn't be a bad thing! It would make racing more accessible to up and coming drivers!
I can't believe I just muted Race Hub to hear what Eric had to say!! 🙄
Very nice work, Eric 👍👍
We thought it was ugly when a wheel comes off from a car on the racetrack. Get ready to see a much bigger 💩- show when the wheels fall off of NASCAR. The proverbial cracks in the dam are starting to appear.
They keep this up, and Congress might take a look at them when they are done with Live Nation / Ticket Master.
They already want to drop teams to 3 charters and that would destroy nascar there wouldn't be 35 car fields
I agree! Let Hendrick, Gibbs, Penske and TrackHouse sport 4 cars in the Cup Series. Those seem to be the major teams right now. RFK could be in there as well.
It would allow new teams into the sport.
@@slick-px4pq if they can afford it shr is a field filler now imagine other drivers were gonna get just about any driver can win any race now except shr drivers and Kyle bush lol
Oh if you remember the IndyCar split from 1996 to 2008 CART lasted until 2003 and ChampCar, which was formed after CART collapsed, was on the verge of collapse its self by 2008. So the series owned by the teams and later partly by shareholders didn’t do well during the split at all. The IRL didn’t do well either but It did better than the series owned by the teams and shareholders. That’s another reason why an IRL/CART style split would be a complete disaster for stock car racing in the United States.
All I can say is, teams build a Cars Tour LMS and tell NASCAR to kiss your bumper.
I wonder what would happen if Hendrick, JGR, Penske, Childress, if there is no agreement, showed up at Daytona with Xfinity cars and no cup cars .
@@johnhaas2523 I hope none of them have to hold out or get out. I only put Childress in because he is one of the "old teams" sticking together.
I may be in the minority, but i don't care for the charter system.
It grants the teams some protection, but it also increased the barrier to entry and has been a headache during these negotiations.
I agree!!!! Kills the business model. Not gonna work in a Motorsport ecosystem. NASCAR making themselves even more high class. Let me invest 30+ million dollars and get 0 return until I sell. Poor business model. I get it the idea of it but it’s not a stick and ball sport. Waaay more variables and factors involved.
I go back and forth on the topic. I don't know if they're good or bad, but I definitely know that permanent charters shouldn't be a thing. Buying a charter needs to have a limit. One year, five years, whatever it needs to be. But not permanent.
It’s time for the teams to play hardball…. I personally think they have much more leverage…. NASCAR can go F itself… they are a block bully and run it like east coast mafia organization….. tell them to go pound sand….
NASCAR let the cat out of the bag with the charter system. It created a scenario that gave teams protections and with those protections has come an opportunity for a stake in ownership of NASCAR. NASCAR can not take that away now and expect to survive. It's time that they accept it and turn these charters into the fractional equity pieces that they are. What these charters ultimately are are shares of NASCAR and it's time they treat them as such. Both sides need to to think of it as a share of stock.
My theory on the France family wanting charters: “Celebrity” drivers from other series. F1 drivers, Supercars, Offroad racers.. it’s a cash grab for merchandise sales and tv ratings.
It’s almost like they’re running a business.
Every team should have at at the most 4 charters, limiting to 3 charters will make the sport so much closer to each other.
Wonder what would happen if teams went on strike kind of like that one dega race where most of the star racers did not race and nascar pulled in drivers from a lower series.
This is a bit of a doomsday prediction, but I can't help but think of the tried and true saying of the 3 generations of success. "The 1st generation learns to build a business from the ground up, the 2nd generation learns to grow an already established business, and the 3rd generation just inherits a successful business and has no idea how to do either, ultimately crashing the business." It's why family wealth has been shown to only last 3 generations before it disappears and NASCAR is on it's 3rd generation of leadership...
Actually, NASCAR was on its third generation of leadership, but, as you predicted, the third generation (Brian France) kinda screwed everything up and the second generation (Jim France) had to come in and straighten it back out. I hope the fourth generation (Ben Kennedy) can keep it straightened out.
The charter system, top 25, then top 35 in owner's points, and that other nonsense to basically guarantee specific drivers in the races were all stupid ideas from the get go. 43 fastest get in, period. If you were 44th, you didn't race. Plain and simple. That's how it should always been. The very thought of NASCAR having to cover top teams to get them in the race and push out teams that got the job done is ridiculous.
I think Denny may have meant permanent charters wouldn't cost teams anything. He said it as a jab at nascar wanting to milk it's teams
IRL/CART or USAC/CART style split anyone. That’s how this could end with some of the larger teams starting their own sanctioning body and the rest staying with NASCAR. This would spill disaster for stock car racing in the United States. Look at what happened to open wheel racing in the United States during the IRL/CART split. It hurt both series and modern day IndyCar has never really fully recovered from the IRL/CART split. That’s why this is so concerning to so many people of a certain generation who actually remember the IRL/CART split.
9:06 because no NASCAR team owners own and operate the second biggest domestic racing series 🙄
What's worse the charter or waiver system?
Both need to disappear completely
Fans might want to keep the idea of the 1970s style owner drivers scraping by on a shoestring but somehow able to compete with sheer grit. But perhaps that has been dead for three decades already and the charter system didn’t kill it, only the fan’s remaining delusion.
It’s all about the $$$$$ & complete control for asscar
Hopefully a deal gets done soon because the last thing Nascar needs is a possible split happen and we saw what happen with indycar they have still haven’t recovered from their split.
I don't know how I feel. On one had the charter system seems like its gatekeeing people from being able to compete and is like 30 million to buy one which they are in limited quantity too. What is this F1? I don't want F1 levels of gatekeep. The more new drivers and teams that can enter cheaply the better. On the other hand if the charter system ensure teams get more revenue maybe there should be a contact agreement with nascar where they get more slice of the pie.
I'm mostly frustrated with this charter stuff because if it didn't exist sounds like Dale Jr would have a Cup team already by now. When OG drivers of the sport can't even get in whats the point?
In my opinion make the charters go to the teams in the top 22 in owners points and have everyone else have to race in
Headed to Iowa for my first nascar race. Any tips to make sure I get the full nascar experience?
Hope you have a fun weekend
Eric you should have listened to Denny's full podcast because he addressed The Leverage as compared to what he was talking about which is what the money was involved
I say go back to the current owner points the way it used to be with the top 35 or make everyone qualify and even if your first in the points and you’re slow, you could end up going home
If Marcus Smith was smart, he would be talking to some 50 billion dollar asset group about starting a new racing series with the top 5-6 cup teams. LIV Golf gave them the blue print. Nascar could be without their stars if the Frances continue to play hard ball.
That would be like the Open wheel split. The sport would never be the same. Then again, it would look good on the France family.
I just hope Smith elects to snub 23XI given how much Hamlin likes to throw shade at track promoters
The problem is the France family owns most of the tracks.
@@LandmastersOh the diversity exclusion group with make sure 23XI gets another charter. Rajah Curuth driving 😂
Why would Marcus Smith side with Denny Hamlin, who has publicly attacked him numerous times and the 1 or 2 owners that are fighting this charter agreement over the decades of an established relationship with NASCAR?
If NASCAR eventually makes a cap on 3 cars per team... You better believe there will be a Hendericks Team A and team B = a reality of a 6 car team!
nascar has always owned the charters since day 1, and can pull a charter for non-performance.
Stockcar racing could be dead if this happens
Stock car racing existed for 80 years before the charters existed...
@@nothinghere7391 ik I'm just making a joke
Got your joke ! Ok - Teams could have their own series , ya know .
Nascar hated seeing Stewart’s race program ! I rather enjoyed it , myself . I think the drivers
Thought it was fun , but probably didn’t make millionaires ! O dear -
@@bobwilson758 I'm sure the p.o.s. gen7 has some NASCAR license tied too it so they'd need to make new cars
Here is what I think, it's all about greed ( France Family). Everyone wants to make more money and the fans suffer.
The France family wants all the power ! In my opinion they already have to much power ! I believe before it's over there will be hell of a change ! I believe Honda will be involved ! I believe what teams does survive will be racing overseas to ! This is a long time from being over in my opinion !❤
Watching Eric on nights after work is such a highlight for me. From his power rankings to looking at who the favorites are for the week.