How to record good sound in noisy environments
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2018
- How to record good sound in noisy environments can be a tricky and confusing process without knowing the key important elements involved when shooting a youtube video, commercial or promo. Not only is the mic you choose absolutely critical, the techniques in which you capture that sound and the approach you take on the overall project will pay dividends to the final result. After all recording sound like a pro takes training, experience and careful consideration for every set up.
This is some true pro sound tips, and may i say amazing. Just started freelancing and your advice and Sound Speeds gets me through those tough shoots where im like WHAT, then i refresh with some videos to remind me specific things and I feel much more confident knowing I'm going through the same the the pros do as well. Keep making videos, love to hear stuff like this!
Hi Nate, so glad your finding these videos helpful! Thanks so much for the positive feedback!
Michael Wynne you know of something that is under 100 dollars$$. In my house I dont need to cancell out that much noise (just occasional fan or plummijg noise)
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Very informative, thank you. I'm the multimedia developer for a Diesel Performance shop and I spent 8 years working in radio and TV and during my stint doing TV, we shot a lot of commercials, B Roll, news segments outside, and often high traffic areas. I've been with this company for 6 years and I've managed to convince them to let me shoot our commercials and we're moving into developing a UA-cam Channel. The gear I have is decent, but I'm on a budget and we recently moved to a much bigger shop almost 20,000 square feet, and capturing sound in a huge cavernous garage, with diesel engines and power tools running in the background can be challenging. I just shot a Christmas greeting spot and I had no problem filtering out the background noise in post, but everyone's dialogue sounds metallic like it was coming out of a tin can. I'm not using the best boom mic, but I've never had that issue with it before, but then again we were in much smaller building and the sound was easier was to manage. Any tips on how to improve the quality of the dialogue in post? I'm using Audition and everything I've tried so far isn't helping much. At this point, I may just order a lav mic system and a better boom. Appreciate your input.
Hi Ray, Thanks for the comment. Better input on the front end is always your best defense. NR in post is best in small doses. So best mics you can afford, etc. Also in that awesome 20,000 square foot are their shots that make sense that also help with reducing the noise floor? Such as offices that have glass you can see the warehouse through, etc.
@@MichaelWynneCAS Thank you this makes sense. We have several offices here on the second floor, but only two that actually look out into the shop. I have shot time-lapse footage from there but no sound was needed for those. My challenge is always when I have to shoot in the shop for Install and Vlog videos. I'll have to shop a little more for better boom and lavalier mics. BTW have you tried out the new DJI Mic System?
Nice job, Michael! Big fan of that mic as well. Should probably just pull the trigger and get one, as I know they really can come in handy, especially for noisy exteriors.
Thanks Rob ! It's a good one to have in the kit for sure.
Thank you very much for the insight! What's your take on using lavs in noisy environments? I feel like they can help a lot, since most of the time they're closer to the source. I'd love to get a CS-3E! The rejection seems comparable to an 816 but the weight is nowhere near as beastly. I've heard it can work indoors as well, what's your experience?
Hi Ilari, thanks for the comment. I find lavs also perform well for rejecting unwanted backgrounds. Sometimes that’s our only option when dealing with frame lines that don’t allow the boom mic to get as close too the source as would be necessary. I don’t use the CS-3e for interiors much because mostly those environments are pretty controlled but I have before for special circumstances.
Great video and good information on the rejection ability of the Sanken mic. Be great if you could make another video on tips and techniques for recording good sound in noisy environments :-)
good suggestion Nik, I'll be continuing to launch more videos in this playlist and will keep this topic in mind.
Hi, I really loved your explanation. I'm starting out in the video recording/production and audio is a really big challenge for me. I stay very close to the road so it's super noisy. The recording camera is picking up the noises clearer than my voice (my voice was a bit low). But to compete with the surrounding noise would mean I'd have to shout at the camera. The mics you talked about are all pretty good at blocking these background noises however they are expensive, at least for me they are. At the moment I don't have enough space to build a studio and sound proof it and even at night it's still noisy from those who don't want to sleep. At my level as a beginner and my noisy surrounding, what other options do I have in recording clear audio? Thanks
Another great video Michael! When you say "wireless boom", is the transmitter on the pole sending to a receiver feeding the MM-1, then another TX to your mixer, OR: is a TX coming off the line-out on the MM-1 fed by a cabled boom mic? The latter being a simpler setup, I tried pausing at 3:58, but couldn't tell for sure
Thanks Carl ! Good question, to clarify for my set up I have the boom going hardline into the MM1 and then the line out of the MM1 going to the Lectro TX which then transmits to my 411 in the bag.
good video, It's always good to see that professional people have noisy area's experience too, and I will have to check out that mic, looks like a dynamic.
Thanks Score Moore ! The Sanken CS-3e short shotgun mic is a condensor microphone so unlike a dynamic mic it will require a preamp that provides phantom power
I want to start an youtube channel, but my neighboors start screaming every time I start recording
Sometimes you got to just go with it, and I think your on to a great title for your video Hannah
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me too lol
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Hi Ahmed, Thanks for the comment! If I had to remake the video, I'd take out the portion about the microphone. If you listen closely, it's mostly about shooting style. The truth is no microphone can shoot next to a noisy road without hearing the noisy road. Sure some are better then others, but the most important thing is understanding the goal of the shoot. So if there is a lot of talking head footage for example you simply should not shoot next to a road. However if you absolutely have to, then a hand held dynamic mic would be the way to go. Like an RE50 handheld mic which is around 200 US dollars I believe. Hope this helps, and thanks for watching!
I really like this because it's making me think about how I need to work with and around unavoidable noise, not necessarily escape it. Are sound guys Zen or what?
Well said tedmichaels!
I like the CS-3E a lot but my favorite mic is still the DPA 4017B. Lemme know if you ever want to borrow one.
I may take you up on that Allen, Thats one I know a lot of sound people like for excellent off axis rejection. I’ve demo’d it before but didn’t get a chance to really get familiar with it.
Michael Wynne Say the word brother.
Great video any tips on recording sound in a echoey room, where your shooting a commercial where you can’t really put sound blankets ect? Thanks
Use a super cardioid mic for reflective rooms, and try to negotiate some creative solutions that work with the frame. Talk to producers about it, see what can be done ahead of time.
@@MichaelWynneCAS gotchu thanks i’ve got the MKH 416 and most i can do it put some blankets behind the camera. Thanks again
Hi Michael thanks for this video. Following current trends can you advice me on a complete package i can use to kill back ground noise. Secondly do you have an online course in sound
Hi Neba, Check out channel memberships. There are some workshops on wiring, mic'ing in cars, and other topics that may be a fit for you.
Hello Michael! Thanks for a informative video.
We here at The Firebox have a question for you:
We film fires, campfires, on location often up in the mountains. We need to figure out how records good quality firecrackling & blazing sound, without too much backround noise. For now there is simply too much noise from us moving, talking, making firewood, wind blowing etc.
We try to position ourselves some distance from the fire but the sound carries well up in the mountains, creating a lot of boring editing work in post.
So we need a mic that can isolate the sound of a fire, while blocking out most others sound. Is this possible?
And if so can you recomend any mics?
It needs to be durable as we often film in quite crazy conditions.
Thanks in advance,
The Firebox
Hi Checked out your channel, very cool stuff. A little off topic, but I feel like I hear a tiny bit of wind noise on your mics, be sure you're using plenty of wind protection on the mics when outdoors. Also as far as background noise the more directional the mic pattern the better, consider MS or XY stereo captures as well. Anything with a rejection tube with fins ( aka shotgun mic ) that's super or hyper cardiod will be your best best!
@@MichaelWynneCAS Hello Michael, thanks for replying! Yeah the wind noise is not too bothersome to be honest. I like that the videos communicate the elements with some degree of accuracy.
What I don't like however is when I have to, in editing, cut out all the times I sneezed, or we talked, or made some other human annoying noise, and replace it with copied fire sounds that are off sync with what the fire is actually doing.
Ive been looking into shotguns yes, and they are probably a good way to go. I wanted to get the Mike 600 from Sennheiser. But the problem is, I HAVE a Zoom5. So now I'm thinking to actually get a vocal mic or two, and connect them to the Zoom, then turn of the main xy mic. Aren't vocal mics extremely area sensitive and directional? Meaning I won't hear anything that is more than a meter or two away and certainly not behind the mic. This would also be quite a lot cheaper than buying the Sennheiser....
Sorry for the long reply, haha. Just trying to get this thing right.
I really like the Cmit because of the sound quality of course but also because it forgives pretty well. In a basic dialogue scene, I can put the mic in the middle and only angle the microphone. Contrary to the 416 that is exigent for the boom op. How does the CS3 perform in that situation?
Hi Thomas, I also really like the cmit 5U, I think you’ll find the CS-3e very similar in this regard but with some differences on how much side rejection your getting.
I just read an article about it on Jwsound. That is what people usually say. Both really good microphone sound wise but Cmit forgives more. I'll have to rent it to listen to them in the same situation !
any recommendations for indoor for a concrete location acoustically untreated (20 x 30' and ceiling height 12')? every recommended hypercardioid but definite specific mic recommendation yet. Super echoi!
Hi Carlos, if the location is temporary rig 8x8 hanging acoustic blankets to the ceiling aka furniture pads, and or carpets on the floor. Thats a tuff environment and treating the acoustics will be necessary. Or hang blankets / place baffles around the area your shooting if the frame is tight enough.
@@MichaelWynneCAS thx u! Do u recommend one specific boom mic for this enviroment?
Hi. What plug-in would you recommend for taking out backround noise without loosing vocal quality from my rode shotgun 4 pro?
Hi ALDOC, I would try IZOTOPE RX
Hi Michael, I just randomly parked on this video to ask whether or not you’ll review the DPA 2017? I’m using primarily Sanken and Seinnheiser supercardiods and wondering where this budget-priced DPA might sit. Thanks!
Hi Leo, thanks for putting this on my radar. Just read up on the DPA site, if I get my hands on one I’ll loop back around. I’d be interested in it’s RF immunity as I know the 4017b is known to be problematic in that area.
@@MichaelWynneCAS great! Thanks. I’d love to see your tests that area and its voicing compared to some others.
Hello sir, can you please suggest me a Wireless microphone (nosie cancellation mic) for church live streaming purpose
What mic would you recommend for loud crashing waves on cliffs in a seascape environment. At the moment can’t afford a Sanken so trying a rode NTG-2.? TIA
Hi Tia, for ambience recordings see about using stereo mics such as an MS shotgun that takes two inputs. A BP4029 will be worth looking at, make sure you consider wind protection cause that will be critical. Good luck!
@@MichaelWynneCAS thanks for the reply. Unfortunately the BP4029 is a little out of my price range at the moment, they are quite expensive and I don’t know if they would be any better than the NTG-2 that I’m using at the moment?? After all they are both shotgun mics? I was thinking of a short condenser mic? What would your advice be please?
How does the Sanken compare to something like an MKH 816? I've never had a chance to use the Sanken
The MKH816 is a true shotgun mic with a longer rejection tube, it's also heavier with a larger profile. Most short shotgun mics such as the Sunken CS3e are more commonly used then traditional shotgun mics such as the MKH816 and MKH70
have you used the dpa 4017c how does it compare to the CS3E rejection wise ?
I have Int2, but mostly the 4017B which I believe is an interchangeable mic element which is more comparable to off axis rejection. The biggest difference between the two that I notice is the three capsule design of the CS3e allows for longer reaches without the loss of low end ( proximity effect in reverse ) however the 4017C/B is also quite impressive as well. But two totally different sounding mics with different sonic personalities.
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im trying to look for a mic i can use fro streaming but the room i stay in is not exactly quiet any mics i can use on streams without having to worry about the ambient noise levels?
Hi PotatoGeming, for the scenario your describing lav mics would be best, they reject room ambience quite well and perform excellent in noisy backgrounds.
@@MichaelWynneCAS thanks ill go check on those types of mics
How do you think the CS-3e would perform against the SuperCMIT as far as off axis rejection? I have one but don't have a CS-3e, so just wondering?
Hi Allen, my opinion is both mics perform excellent for off axis rejection. If off axis was the only the measurement I'd say that the CS-3e would most likely be the winner. But I typically use my CMIT-5u when doing narrative because I enjoy the sound of it.
@@MichaelWynneCAS Do you know if the CMIT sounds the same, similar, or exactly like the SuperCMIT? I read it sounds fairly different from a CMIT but I have no personal experience with a CMIT.
@@AllenCavedo I don't have any experience with the Super CMIT, just the CMIT 5u. It would be interesting to me to hear the two back to back.
hi in vlog videos some ppl speak very low even in public places yet their voice is heard very clear and also the background noises are not heard as much . can u suggest a mic for vlogging please.
Hi Manasa, for vlogging on a DSLR try a lav mic!
Hi Michael, thanks for the video here .. really terrific! I must ask .. what kind of mic would you use for nature recording? I'm not looking to record specific up-close sounds - birds, leaves in the wind, streams etc - just general nature room tone. I've been using a Sennheiser 416 along with a Sound Devices MixPre-3, and as clear as the sound is, I find that it is still quite noisy .. sort of a windy sound throughout even when there is no wind. Interior audio is perfect but, exterior is a different matter. Any advice on specific gear to use for this purpose and how obtain clean sound for this specific kind of audio would be greatly appreciated. Thanks kindly!
HI Oen, experiment with XY, OTRF and MS stereo recordings. Exterior ambience can have a lot of layers and sound somewhat washy as a base layer which is what I think you may be interpreting as wind. The benefit of stereo recording is imaging. Our brains here more naturally in stereo and are more likely to believe or accept what we're hearing this way. Also make sure your using adequate wind protection outside for your mics.
@@MichaelWynneCAS Hey, thanks so much for the info Michael .. I really do appreciate it!
HMMM good to know!
i wanna cry lmao, i'm so new in the sound world, so grateful for this videos 😭🙏
Glad it was helpful!
Great video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Saigon is THE high noise background. 75-80db street noise is not unusual at all. 55-60db is a recording studio.
The average noise floor of a professional recording studio is much lower around 20db SPL A weighted. Also keep in mind when comparing db that it is based on a logarithmic scale not linear. So what seems like not a lot of difference can vary on how we hear or perceive the level of a background environment.
Thank you for the “sound advice”. It all ways that could be interpreted. Heh
Thank you Archie!
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You should write the microphone recommendations 👍🏼
Hello Michael,
Nice job but i don't why this video shown in result when upload video to UA-cam get worse and noisy 10× please can guide me
thanks and subscribed you
Hi Sanjay, I've personally not experienced increased noise upon uploading to youtube. Is it possible something is happening in the export?
@@MichaelWynneCAS thank you
My home is on road side so how can I record sound without any noise pls solution Because a lot of traffic goes from the front of my house 😖🙏
Subbed haha. Great video
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks michigan1777.
Michael Wynne yes sir! Keep making great content
What's the point of the haha
thank you for the tips! new sub here.
Thanks James!
Anyone know how to reduce the noise?
I record in quiet places but my videos have noise
cheap xD
The cs3 has a better rejection than a mkh70?!?!? Normally a large shotgun has better off-axis rejection from what i know...
Hi Danny, I have a mkh70 and love it and often use it on my scripted work for big ole wides that really need to pull out the dialogue from a distance like a true shotgun mic like that can do. But for this project everything was pretty tight framing so I felt the cs-3e short shotgun to be the best choice for me
where is the mic info?
The mic I spoke about is the Sanken CS3e, check out their website for specs.
If you don't show an example, then whats the point?
Young Geist good point, feel free to IMDB me and watch some of the shows I mixed and you’ll have plenty of examples.
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the ultimate nice moment
Think should be clear this is for pros and not start ups like me
It’s 1000 quid plus mike
Hi Nadeem, thanks for the comment! Feel free to hit me up for specific questions and I'm happy to respond.
Michael Wynne - u r very kind - I have had very frustrating experience with condenser microphones in my untreated studio started looking for dynamic cardioids - loved ur recommendation but price was inhibitive as cud use on my DSLR outdoors - I simply needed something for reasonable conversation and ended up with Samson Q2U (I’m a very low end user in this area) - learning audacity too. Any recommendations for low end users like me - many thanks for your reply ...
Nadeem Afzal for your DSLR talking portions check out the Deity W Lav. It’s affordable, plugs directly into camera and an excellent budget option. Lavs typically do well in noisy environments to!
Michael Wynne - really appreciate the advice - looking into it now
Cs3 is king.
I just came for info, I didn't come for a vlog