As someone who does cabinet & furniture adjustment and repairs... these look like gold. Thankyou for going over the features which only those who actually work with these things will care about.
That racking mechanism has a plastic interface gear, and if someone, for instance, falls against an open drawer, it looks like it's a weak point, and could fail easily under a "differential load".... Just a thought.
One child is all it will take to break those plastic gears. I do not like most under mount because they aren’t as durable as a set of ball bearing slides.
It can depend on the type of plastic. For example, if you were to take the case off of a garage door opener, you would find plastic gears inside; I have two garage openers where the plastic gear had to be replaced after a little over 15 years of service - and the replacement part is also plastic. Having said that, I do share your concerns.
@@stevebabiak6997 I understand what you are saying, but there is a significant difference here. The gears on this slide will have to deal with a child trying to push the drawer the wrong way. This will add stress to the plastic. I don’t care what kid of plait is, it’s still plastic.
That rack and pinion system on those slides man... Could almost feel the smoothness and stability just by watching it. 😂😂😂 Going to be picking up some of these for the bedroom dressers I have to build. Nothing more satisfying than furniture with doors and drawers that run smooth as silk.
great video! a few questions: 1. have you used the progressa's in an inset application? if so, how was the adjustment capabilities etc using them in an inset application? 2. if using in an inset , which one do you recommend ? the progressa's or the plus? We are a custom shop and have been using tandems for years but always looking for improvements especially if it means better $$ :)
This was another great video and I love everything u do and your the best and it was so much fun meeting u and thank u for being there and your the best and a great wood worker and u always will be and u won’t stop ever sir!!
Honestly, Blum has had the largest market share for a long time. With more competition, everybody wins. Expect Blum not to sit on the sideline because of this slide.
Thanks for the overview/comparison. The simplicity and standardized adjustments in the Salice clips is an immediate selling point for me. I once tried pricing out some Blum undermount slides and I got lost in all the options and part numbers. I've built my own freaking computers since I was a kid so I'm no stranger to selecting components based on compatibility, and I still struggle to make sense of Blum's hardware catalog. I'm sure someone who lives and breathes Blum hardware installations professionally would know exactly what parts to get for what situation, but as a hobbyist/DIYer, I need something more straight-forward.
I did and I haven’t regretted it. I have no negative thoughts on Blum, these are just better than the tandem I have always used. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a updated slide released from Blum now
Always good to have alternatives and competition - Blum is pretty dominant in many markets from what I gather. I do wonder about the stabilizer, or rather lack of that option from Salice though: In our kitchen we have a few 1m wide, 30cm deep drawers, and without the stabilizer trying to pull the drawer open on a corner (or close to one) would simply wedge it against the carcass. Would the Salice slides be so stiff sideways that they really don't need that stabilizer? BTW that stabilizer has nothing(*) to do with push open; it's just to stop wide, short drawers like ours to "twist" when pulled or pushed by the corners. *: There's a separate synchronizer for push open where the stabilizer is not needed that functions the same as Salice's by linking the mechanisms. I'm assuming that if the stabilizer is installed the synchronizer is not needed.
The synchronization feature in the Salice slides makes the stabilizer bar unnecessary. I saw a video where a guy put his 150 lb wife inside a drawer shut it and pushed to open it was amazing.
@@DavidSzpiech that example doesn't say anything about how rigid it is in "extreme" cases like mine though: Would you be able to push it closed *by the corner* if the drawer was 1m wide and only 30cm deep, or would it twist enough to wedge itself against the carcass like the Blum does? The lack of that stabilizer means one of two things: Either the slides themselves are so extremely rigid they won't let the drawer twist, or they haven't had too many cases like mine. It could be interesting to test...
@@koma-k it looks like free floating slides just like Blum, slides never %100 locked in to the drawer with either system which is good, they wouldnt have that smooth motion if they did. It will always wedge itself to carcass without a stabilizer, it will be same with Salice's as well.
@@karpuzsever Makes sense - carcasses and drawers aren't built to micron-level accuracy after all, so the slides need to be able to accomodate some variation.
@@koma-k just think about regular ball bearing telescopic slides, it doesn't matter how much you spend on perfect dimensions or how good the rails are, because it just squeeze the drawer in between, which leads to less satisfying motion compared to tandem like slides. If the drawers are deep enough, they will work without stabilization fine enough, but in extreme cases like yours, they re nice to have, hell we tend to install that rod as soon as we get pass 70cms to just to have ease of mind
Just ordered a set of Blum, but was able to return, and picked these up and saved a bit as well. I am hoping they are smoother, which it looks like they will be. Thanks.
Thank you for taking some of the confusion out of the sometimes-overwhelming amount of choices when it comes to drawer hardware. Question: I assume their F70 drilling jig will work for the Progressa slides?
Only thing that changes in tandem and move to is slide and locking device the only major change to the box would be the back notch and that’s a very rare case.
These look interesting, i always stock about 40 boxes of blum undermounts but have used the older salice for years, they were far inferior to blum, the softclose mechanism would break sometimes and the plastic 3 way adjustment clips were absolutely horrible. Glad they stepped up their game. As of right now, i pay 18$ for blum undermount from my supplier and the salice progressa are 22$, ill try their push to open variant on my next order as again, their previous offering was absolutely horrible but far cheaper than grass or blum at the loss of the soft close feature. Time will tell, but for standard drawers if there is a 4$ savings per pair ill stick with blum, never had an issue and maybe now theyll step up their game since there is actual competition on the market
I really want to try these out. I visited the Salice web site. Question, they use the term "SMOVE" in some of their products, is this basically soft close?
Salice has made better hinges for ever and have been using them, these slides are the best on the market by far, I am not sure how the distribution will go, I checked with my vendor and they are $5 a pair less than the Blum tandem, plus they are far superior. I hope everyone sticks with Blum because they have good marketing.
I don't know what you're talking about because I just checked the progress slides at richieliue and they are 22$ a pair, I pay 18 a pair for standard blum. The standard progressa are the same price as what I pay for the movento. I guess your supplier was just raking you over the coals...
@@thewoodologist8176 well then keep using the inferior product I guess, makes it better for the rest of us, I don't do business with richleau anymore anyhow, they are difficult to deal with
You mentioned in the comments that you're not purchasing the Salice slides from the distributor, but rather from somewhere else. Could I please have that name? 🙂 Thank you for reviewing this product. It is very timely.
Jason, I've been a Salice user for many years. There is a huge advantage in comparison to Blum, and this video is a perfect demonstration of those advantages. I think you hit on at least 95% of those if not every single one! Fantastic video, my friend! I like using an illustration comparing them to a car... Blum would be the Volvo... Dependable, reliable, rugged, and an excellent choice. Salice would be the Ferrari... Faster, sleeker, sexier, but still dependable, reliable, and rugged.. IMHO, a better choice.
"Cheaper" and "less expensive" convey different meanings to me but I'm an Ole Phart😂 Inexpensive/less expensive mean less cost or more value for same price; cheap means shoddy, ill-made, and inferior quality, regardless of price. Not complaining -- just noting.
Blum конечно же интересно. Но больше интересно смотреть на то, что находится на заднем фоне. Все по полочкам, аккуратно и чистота. Лучший инструмент это - Festool, а фурнитура для мебели - Blum
The options for push to open from salice arent really all available. The f70 push to open slides have been discontinued, and so far, I can't find anywhere to purchase the progressa push to open. I have been building cabinets with the futura push which seems to be the only option readily available.
Stabilization and synchronization are 2 things. All drawers, no matter which brand, requires ideally a stabilizer for drawer over 36 inches wide. 2nd thing you must not, Blum runners are tested to 100K opening/closing cycles. Public information must be handled with care ;-)
You would need to check the prices at your supplier. I try not to talk pricing on items that are sold by various retailers across the country. The prices are dictated so it may be more or less depending on the store. Then I have people telling me how I’m wrong because the price is X on whatever website or store they shop at.
I may have missed it, but are the cutouts on the bottom of the drawer box the same as they are with BLUM slides? Can you directly swap Salice Progressa in lieu of the supplied BLUM and not have to modify the drawer box?
I could be missing it on the Salice website, but appears its only for business to business transactions. I didn't see a way for a home based / DIY'er to get these. Checking Amazon and not seeing a lot of options there either.
Do you have experience with Hettich's line of concealed runners Quadro and Actro? I've been using the latter mainly because of their range but I wonder how they'd compare to the Salice.
Have you seen any instructions specifically for inset drawer fronts? The Blum instructions provide a formula, I cannot find anything similar in the Salice instructions. I don't see anything about inset drawer fronts at all.
Jason, do the undermount mounting jigs that you use when installing the Blums, work for the Salice as well? I have the same jigs....that's the reason for the question. Thanks.
It’s never a good sign when you go to the website and, in order to find out the price of a particular drawer slide, you need to fill out a questionnaire and submit before seeing what the price is … so unless you mention the direct price comparison, this is a pass from me at least …
That’s because suppliers can be very location dependent. There are many suppliers. Here are some to check out. Cabinetparts.com Woodworkersexpress Hafele Richelieu
Good timing. I was just looking at drawer slides for my miter station build. Not really planning on undermounts for this project though but this was still very good information. Side note, that loose flap of veneer on your miter station drawer is awfully distracting! I'm sure you have the glue in that shop to get that thing fixed!
Does anyone know whether the F70 push to open also support soft close ? From the descriptions in their website, it looks like you have to chose one: push to open or soft close, cannot have both. Blum can support both at the same time?
Naming conventions have gone off the deep end... Does the "Plus" model also need a subscription.. can I get the "Plus Ultra" for an extra monthly cost for soft close.. .. Ok.. I know my comment is ridiculous.... but this whole "Plus" thing has gotten out of hand.. my sons hockey club switched their (Club Name) Elite team name to... (Club name) Travel Plus..
Man i like the f70 but theyre so expensiveee. Also, I've been using the salice futura line and it seems like that's a closer competitor than the progressa is. Have you used the futura yet?
The Futura will still be available. The Progressa is the middle of the road slide. The F-70 has been re-named and is now the Progressa Plus. The Progressa will be priced to compete with the Blum Tandem. Which I think will be about $3.00 more per pair the the Futura you are accustomed to.
Yeah good luck with those. I ordered 12 pairs of Salice Futura (undermount push-to-open) and they came all jacked up from shipping. Salice will pack heavy slides in a box that is too big for the specific product and they throw in about 4ft of craft paper as if its going to keep things from banging around during shipping. So 5 of the slides arrived jammed in such a way that the intricate plastic parts snapped off so the mechanisms don't work at all. It's mind boggling how fragile these components are made. That tiny plastic (probably ABS) rack and pinion? Yeah say goodby to that after 2 years of use in an average kitchen. Hard pass
@andrhamm; Good to hear from actual experience...as a developer of consumer products, and industrial products, I recognized a pretty weak interface element, which would likely break under any heavy "differential" load, like somebody falling against the drawer, of something like some drawer content jamming on one side....
Maybe you should change the name of your channel to Bent's Infomercials? Woodworking does not seem to describe your channel accurately. But I do like this Italian Design, so thanks.
Yeah you’re right. Why would a channel about woodworking ever make a video showing an incredible option for a drawer slide. There couldn’t possibly be any need for a woodworker to use a drawer slide at all. These definitely fall more into the automotive field I think.
Well, really, you sound like a guy at a home show, selling "this far superior product"... Discussion of load rating at full extension, price per unit....
@@andreipopa6956 “we have x” “we have y” makes it pretty clear he’s involved with them in some way. The whole thing is a sales pitch that so obviously biased as to be insulting. This same dude made many videos praising the greatness of the product he’s now trashing and saying has zero redeeming qualities.
@@kyorisingHe specifically said there wasn’t an equivalent product until now…lol. That means he liked one product a lot so talked about it, but now a better product is available. That’s what honest people do. Tell you factual information and why it’s better…
@@farmeunit I have no problem with people changing an opinion or liking a new thing better, but it’s insanely rare that you’d drop an old thing and suddenly hate literally everything about it. And again, there’s a lot of “we” used when talking about the company, screams an involvement beyond just a reviewer. Hell even that I don’t have any objection to as long as the person is UPFRONT and honest about it. Lead with “for full transparency I am (sponsored by, friends with, part owner of, or f*ck buddies) with this company” and it’s all good, we know how to process your opinion accordingly.
As someone who does cabinet & furniture adjustment and repairs... these look like gold. Thankyou for going over the features which only those who actually work with these things will care about.
Glad you enjoyed it
That racking mechanism has a plastic interface gear, and if someone, for instance, falls against an open drawer, it looks like it's a weak point, and could fail easily under a "differential load".... Just a thought.
I have been wanting to tell you thank you for your service to our country.
My pleasure
Tandem and movento are also interchangeable same boring pattern, same drawer box construction specs
Such a life saver the day after I was shopping for drawer slides! Just in the nick of time! Thanks
Glad I could help!
Plastic gear and gear rack.
One child is all it will take to break those plastic gears. I do not like most under mount because they aren’t as durable as a set of ball bearing slides.
It can depend on the type of plastic. For example, if you were to take the case off of a garage door opener, you would find plastic gears inside; I have two garage openers where the plastic gear had to be replaced after a little over 15 years of service - and the replacement part is also plastic.
Having said that, I do share your concerns.
@@stevebabiak6997 I understand what you are saying, but there is a significant difference here. The gears on this slide will have to deal with a child trying to push the drawer the wrong way. This will add stress to the plastic. I don’t care what kid of plait is, it’s still plastic.
Good stuff 😀. When you build cabinets infrequently it’s tough to keep up with the the options for drawer slides . This really helps 😀
Glad you enjoyed it
I thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated your exceptionally brilliant analysis on these new drawer slides!
Well-done, Sir!
That rack and pinion system on those slides man... Could almost feel the smoothness and stability just by watching it. 😂😂😂 Going to be picking up some of these for the bedroom dressers I have to build. Nothing more satisfying than furniture with doors and drawers that run smooth as silk.
Oh yeah!
great video! a few questions: 1. have you used the progressa's in an inset application? if so, how was the adjustment capabilities etc using them in an inset application? 2. if using in an inset , which one do you recommend ? the progressa's or the plus? We are a custom shop and have been using tandems for years but always looking for improvements especially if it means better $$ :)
Progressa if you want to save on $$. But again, it depends on your drawer box dimension and weight rating desired/needed.
This was another great video and I love everything u do and your the best and it was so much fun meeting u and thank u for being there and your the best and a great wood worker and u always will be and u won’t stop ever sir!!
Great information. I still havent jumped into the undermount drawer slides. Probably going to be what I use on my laundry room makeover.
Oh you definitely need to try undermount. You will never go back!
Really appreciate the in depth review of these. I've always wanted another alternative to the BLUMs tandem.
Glad I could help!
Honestly, Blum has had the largest market share for a long time. With more competition, everybody wins. Expect Blum not to sit on the sideline because of this slide.
Thanks for the overview/comparison. The simplicity and standardized adjustments in the Salice clips is an immediate selling point for me. I once tried pricing out some Blum undermount slides and I got lost in all the options and part numbers. I've built my own freaking computers since I was a kid so I'm no stranger to selecting components based on compatibility, and I still struggle to make sense of Blum's hardware catalog. I'm sure someone who lives and breathes Blum hardware installations professionally would know exactly what parts to get for what situation, but as a hobbyist/DIYer, I need something more straight-forward.
Yeah it can be confusing for sure. I find Salice more user friendly especially for those not as familiar with the catalogs
Great video, Jason! As a Blum person, I am going to give these a shot. Thank you for the video.
I did and I haven’t regretted it. I have no negative thoughts on Blum, these are just better than the tandem I have always used. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a updated slide released from Blum now
Just in time for my kitchen remodel. Thanks!
Perfect!
Thk U 4 the video as a finish contractor that does built in & vanities much appreciated!
Glad you enjoyed it
Are the plastic rack and pinon parts replaceable?
I switched my hinges from blum to salice because everything works together especially lazy suzan middle hinge.
Always good to have alternatives and competition - Blum is pretty dominant in many markets from what I gather.
I do wonder about the stabilizer, or rather lack of that option from Salice though: In our kitchen we have a few 1m wide, 30cm deep drawers, and without the stabilizer trying to pull the drawer open on a corner (or close to one) would simply wedge it against the carcass. Would the Salice slides be so stiff sideways that they really don't need that stabilizer?
BTW that stabilizer has nothing(*) to do with push open; it's just to stop wide, short drawers like ours to "twist" when pulled or pushed by the corners. *: There's a separate synchronizer for push open where the stabilizer is not needed that functions the same as Salice's by linking the mechanisms. I'm assuming that if the stabilizer is installed the synchronizer is not needed.
The synchronization feature in the Salice slides makes the stabilizer bar unnecessary. I saw a video where a guy put his 150 lb wife inside a drawer shut it and pushed to open it was amazing.
@@DavidSzpiech that example doesn't say anything about how rigid it is in "extreme" cases like mine though: Would you be able to push it closed *by the corner* if the drawer was 1m wide and only 30cm deep, or would it twist enough to wedge itself against the carcass like the Blum does? The lack of that stabilizer means one of two things: Either the slides themselves are so extremely rigid they won't let the drawer twist, or they haven't had too many cases like mine. It could be interesting to test...
@@koma-k it looks like free floating slides just like Blum, slides never %100 locked in to the drawer with either system which is good, they wouldnt have that smooth motion if they did. It will always wedge itself to carcass without a stabilizer, it will be same with Salice's as well.
@@karpuzsever Makes sense - carcasses and drawers aren't built to micron-level accuracy after all, so the slides need to be able to accomodate some variation.
@@koma-k just think about regular ball bearing telescopic slides, it doesn't matter how much you spend on perfect dimensions or how good the rails are, because it just squeeze the drawer in between, which leads to less satisfying motion compared to tandem like slides. If the drawers are deep enough, they will work without stabilization fine enough, but in extreme cases like yours, they re nice to have, hell we tend to install that rod as soon as we get pass 70cms to just to have ease of mind
Just ordered a set of Blum, but was able to return, and picked these up and saved a bit as well. I am hoping they are smoother, which it looks like they will be. Thanks.
They are!
Thank you for taking some of the confusion out of the sometimes-overwhelming amount of choices when it comes to drawer hardware. Question: I assume their F70 drilling jig will work for the Progressa slides?
Glad it was helpful! And I assume it does how only the name changed.
Only thing that changes in tandem and move to is slide and locking device the only major change to the box would be the back notch and that’s a very rare case.
Great video! I’m sold.
These look interesting, i always stock about 40 boxes of blum undermounts but have used the older salice for years, they were far inferior to blum, the softclose mechanism would break sometimes and the plastic 3 way adjustment clips were absolutely horrible. Glad they stepped up their game. As of right now, i pay 18$ for blum undermount from my supplier and the salice progressa are 22$, ill try their push to open variant on my next order as again, their previous offering was absolutely horrible but far cheaper than grass or blum at the loss of the soft close feature. Time will tell, but for standard drawers if there is a 4$ savings per pair ill stick with blum, never had an issue and maybe now theyll step up their game since there is actual competition on the market
Thanks from one of your local viewers. You are one of the best on YT.
Thank you so much!! I greatly appreciate it!!
I really want to try these out. I visited the Salice web site. Question, they use the term "SMOVE" in some of their products, is this basically soft close?
Salice has made better hinges for ever and have been using them, these slides are the best on the market by far, I am not sure how the distribution will go, I checked with my vendor and they are $5 a pair less than the Blum tandem, plus they are far superior. I hope everyone sticks with Blum because they have good marketing.
I don't know what you're talking about because I just checked the progress slides at richieliue and they are 22$ a pair, I pay 18 a pair for standard blum. The standard progressa are the same price as what I pay for the movento. I guess your supplier was just raking you over the coals...
@@thewoodologist8176 well then keep using the inferior product I guess, makes it better for the rest of us, I don't do business with richleau anymore anyhow, they are difficult to deal with
You mentioned in the comments that you're not purchasing the Salice slides from the distributor, but rather from somewhere else. Could I please have that name? 🙂
Thank you for reviewing this product. It is very timely.
You don’t buy direct from Salice. Instead you buy from places like Wurth, Richelieu hardware, cabinetpart.com, etc
Jason, I've been a Salice user for many years. There is a huge advantage in comparison to Blum, and this video is a perfect demonstration of those advantages. I think you hit on at least 95% of those if not every single one! Fantastic video, my friend! I like using an illustration comparing them to a car...
Blum would be the Volvo... Dependable, reliable, rugged, and an excellent choice.
Salice would be the Ferrari... Faster, sleeker, sexier, but still dependable, reliable, and rugged.. IMHO, a better choice.
I made the switch and haven’t looked back!
did the veneer rip off that drawer front?
Thanks Jason. Great video/information. Makes sense to switch!
Glad it was helpful!
"Cheaper" and "less expensive" convey different meanings to me but I'm an Ole Phart😂
Inexpensive/less expensive mean less cost or more value for same price; cheap means shoddy, ill-made, and inferior quality, regardless of price.
Not complaining -- just noting.
They look really nice, will you do a video covering install of the Saliche?
I have a video on installing them 👍
You mentioned the holes line up. Does this include the hole on the back of the drawer box?
Yes, same location
@@bentswoodworking Thanks. I actually just finished watching your install video and saw it was answered there too. Thank you.
I couldn't find anywhere online that has the progressa plus for sale, only the progressa smove.
Blum конечно же интересно. Но больше интересно смотреть на то, что находится на заднем фоне. Все по полочкам, аккуратно и чистота. Лучший инструмент это - Festool, а фурнитура для мебели - Blum
The options for push to open from salice arent really all available. The f70 push to open slides have been discontinued, and so far, I can't find anywhere to purchase the progressa push to open. I have been building cabinets with the futura push which seems to be the only option readily available.
F70 (now Progressa+) Push to open are available through any local Salice distributor
I can’t find 12 f70… are futura the same?
@@kevinb6102 Futura are a great slide but the F70 are rated at 154lbs Dynamic Load and they have the dual rack and pinion of the Progressa.
@@kennyclerke3404 thanks !!!
Could find nothing on them on there web page and only 1 on amazon. Do you have a better source for these please?
Stabilization and synchronization are 2 things. All drawers, no matter which brand, requires ideally a stabilizer for drawer over 36 inches wide. 2nd thing you must not, Blum runners are tested to 100K opening/closing cycles. Public information must be handled with care ;-)
"Requires ideally" I wouldn't use in a sentence together. It's either you require it, or it is ideally recommended. Do you work for Blum? lol
We also need more videos like this well done Bent's Woodworking. We need more Woodworking influencers, everybody wins :D
What is the difference between the Progressa+ PUSH (push-to-open) and SMOVE (soft-close)?
My supplier lists the Progressa as a face frame application. Is there a reason these wouldn't be useable on frameless applications?
I'm wondering the same thing
Progressa can be used in Frameless or Frame style.
They can be used for either
I have been unable to find someone who sells Salice Progressa to a DIY. Blum no problem finding them for sale even on Amazon.
I wish you would have discussed the actual cost between the slides.
Totally agree. Price point will dictate to me what I buy
You would need to check the prices at your supplier. I try not to talk pricing on items that are sold by various retailers across the country. The prices are dictated so it may be more or less depending on the store. Then I have people telling me how I’m wrong because the price is X on whatever website or store they shop at.
I may have missed it, but are the cutouts on the bottom of the drawer box the same as they are with BLUM slides? Can you directly swap Salice Progressa in lieu of the supplied BLUM and not have to modify the drawer box?
I could be missing it on the Salice website, but appears its only for business to business transactions. I didn't see a way for a home based / DIY'er to get these. Checking Amazon and not seeing a lot of options there either.
Thanks for posting this! Very informative and concise.
Do you have experience with Hettich's line of concealed runners Quadro and Actro? I've been using the latter mainly because of their range but I wonder how they'd compare to the Salice.
I have not. I have used Blum and Salice
Whats the difference between progressa and the futuras?
Have you seen any instructions specifically for inset drawer fronts? The Blum instructions provide a formula, I cannot find anything similar in the Salice instructions. I don't see anything about inset drawer fronts at all.
Hi, i little of topic but i noticed that you have plugged the dog holes in your MFT benches and i wondered why and with what?
Thanks for this. I'm about to do my first undermount drawer slide installation.
Are the Futura slides just the Progressa without the adjustment?
The Progressa is a completely different product than the Futura. Futura installs differently
Jason, do the undermount mounting jigs that you use when installing the Blums, work for the Salice as well? I have the same jigs....that's the reason for the question. Thanks.
The jig will work for the Progressa, all locations are the same.
@@matthewmanz7311 Thank you.
Yes they do
The day after my Blum undermount slides arrive, I watch this video. Talk about terrible timing on my part.
🤦🏼♂️ next time
It’s never a good sign when you go to the website and, in order to find out the price of a particular drawer slide, you need to fill out a questionnaire and submit before seeing what the price is … so unless you mention the direct price comparison, this is a pass from me at least …
Well you would be buying these from a distributor not from the company. Thats how most companies operate. I order from suppliers
@@bentswoodworking can you supply a link to supplier?
@@bentswoodworking since posting the comment, I found them on Amazon … comparable pricing … thanks!
Great to see another lifetime warranted slide.....
Is the pinion made out of plastic?
Great info, thank you very much.
Glad it was helpful!
Grass is the best.
I would love to buy these but I cannot figure out where to buy them. I wish you would have given us a supplier's name.
That’s because suppliers can be very location dependent. There are many suppliers. Here are some to check out.
Cabinetparts.com
Woodworkersexpress
Hafele
Richelieu
@@bentswoodworking thank you.
I think you may have sold me here.
They are great and I use the for everything now
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it
Good timing. I was just looking at drawer slides for my miter station build. Not really planning on undermounts for this project though but this was still very good information. Side note, that loose flap of veneer on your miter station drawer is awfully distracting! I'm sure you have the glue in that shop to get that thing fixed!
🤣 luckily I will be building a new one this year.
Yeah I noticed that too, and yes it does distract your eyes. 😲
Does anyone know whether the F70 push to open also support soft close ? From the descriptions in their website, it looks like you have to chose one: push to open or soft close, cannot have both. Blum can support both at the same time?
That is correct! Either push to open OR soft close; not both.
Has anyone tried to use these under mount slides on a drawer that has a half blind dovetail front? Is it possible without the slide being visible?
For a pull out application? There is the Progressa Plus Shelf slide, which is completely bottom mounted and has no side cage.
Naming conventions have gone off the deep end... Does the "Plus" model also need a subscription.. can I get the "Plus Ultra" for an extra monthly cost for soft close.. .. Ok.. I know my comment is ridiculous.... but this whole "Plus" thing has gotten out of hand.. my sons hockey club switched their (Club Name) Elite team name to... (Club name) Travel Plus..
Do the new Salice slides use the same notch and bore pattern as the Blum?
The notch for Progressa is 2” (a little bigger than Blum’s) but the bayonet hole is the same size and location.
Awesome video as usual
Appreciate that
Man i like the f70 but theyre so expensiveee. Also, I've been using the salice futura line and it seems like that's a closer competitor than the progressa is. Have you used the futura yet?
The Futura will still be available. The Progressa is the middle of the road slide. The F-70 has been re-named and is now the Progressa Plus. The Progressa will be priced to compete with the Blum Tandem. Which I think will be about $3.00 more per pair the the Futura you are accustomed to.
So despite you refusing to say it, they are a replacement for the Blum slides...
more parts to break D:
There doesn’t appear to be a link to the project website
In the video description
In the video description
@@bentswoodworkingdoesn't appear to be a link in the video description....
@@scottstarek4996 Its literally in the first line under video views
Yeah good luck with those. I ordered 12 pairs of Salice Futura (undermount push-to-open) and they came all jacked up from shipping. Salice will pack heavy slides in a box that is too big for the specific product and they throw in about 4ft of craft paper as if its going to keep things from banging around during shipping. So 5 of the slides arrived jammed in such a way that the intricate plastic parts snapped off so the mechanisms don't work at all. It's mind boggling how fragile these components are made. That tiny plastic (probably ABS) rack and pinion? Yeah say goodby to that after 2 years of use in an average kitchen. Hard pass
@andrhamm;
Good to hear from actual experience...as a developer of consumer products, and industrial products, I recognized a pretty weak interface element, which would likely break under any heavy "differential" load, like somebody falling against the drawer, of something like some drawer content jamming on one side....
Just about to order a heap of movento slides for a job and saw this.. Awesome, a few problems solved...oh not available in Australia yet...goddamnit.
Seems odd not to even mention warranty.
The Progressa line specifically seems to be very hard to find in North AMerica. I've only found them at Hafele.
Maybe you should change the name of your channel to Bent's Infomercials? Woodworking does not seem to describe your channel accurately. But I do like this Italian Design, so thanks.
Yeah you’re right. Why would a channel about woodworking ever make a video showing an incredible option for a drawer slide. There couldn’t possibly be any need for a woodworker to use a drawer slide at all. These definitely fall more into the automotive field I think.
Excellent info, excellent. Italy is a plus
Glad you think so!
I know you Bent . You will spend a arm and leg for quality stuff .
It’s not always a good thing 🤣
Typical, no prices discussed. I’m buying the best price point and availability. Ive used the Blum for years. If the Salice is cheaper I’m on it
That’s cause the supplier sets the sale prices. Not Salice. But if you are using the Blum, I would recommend trying these
Buy American - buy Blum. They assemble in US even though maybe compenents from Europe whereas Saliche is all in house in Italy, it seems.
For the life of me I can't find pricing. Their website shows me a distributor, maybe I need to call to find out...
Edit. Amazon. 62 bucks for 21 inch
Man i hate it when someone says "I'll leave a link...." to this product i have talked about for 10 minutes and then there is NO link
dude it was in the very first line under the video views
@@pctatc66🤦🏽♂️ someone wasn’t paying attention to the obvious lol
Man I hate it when people don’t read what’s directly infront of their face.
You should really label this as an ad, you’re clearly involved with the company. Not saying your information is bad or wrong, but be transparent.
How is this a ad? , it’s comparing 2 products in the same price range with one being far superior. Pretty basic comparison video.
Well, really, you sound like a guy at a home show, selling "this far superior product"... Discussion of load rating at full extension, price per unit....
@@andreipopa6956 “we have x” “we have y” makes it pretty clear he’s involved with them in some way. The whole thing is a sales pitch that so obviously biased as to be insulting. This same dude made many videos praising the greatness of the product he’s now trashing and saying has zero redeeming qualities.
@@kyorisingHe specifically said there wasn’t an equivalent product until now…lol. That means he liked one product a lot so talked about it, but now a better product is available. That’s what honest people do. Tell you factual information and why it’s better…
@@farmeunit I have no problem with people changing an opinion or liking a new thing better, but it’s insanely rare that you’d drop an old thing and suddenly hate literally everything about it. And again, there’s a lot of “we” used when talking about the company, screams an involvement beyond just a reviewer. Hell even that I don’t have any objection to as long as the person is UPFRONT and honest about it. Lead with “for full transparency I am (sponsored by, friends with, part owner of, or f*ck buddies) with this company” and it’s all good, we know how to process your opinion accordingly.
One thing I did notice is rhat Salice's website sssuuuuccckkss. It's borderline impossible to navigate.