G'day Steve, Speaking of i3 being a better choice for "Low Budget Gaming" in comments of RGinHD (A channel devoted to those looking into VERY Low Budget Gaming) the other day I had someone try to tell me that 4core CPUs are not enough for gaming anymore 🤦♂
@@edwxx20001 The only problem is the Disappointment shirts Don't live up to their name... They are AWSOME Quality, very comfortable & not a Disappointment at all 😂 although I got last years but was sad I couldn't afford to get one this year 😞so I am disappointed by that.
@@weserphillip When did you get yours and how well does it do because I just picked one up and then I saw this video and I don't know how to feel because I played escape from tarkov on streets which is like a terrible map it was running like 30 frames in my old stuff and now it's running like a 140 frames so I don't know whether or not like I should take it back or what
I love seeing you guys cover mid to low range hardware, I was heavily considering this one for a B660 build but the local listings blessed me with an i3-12100F for $40. Not everyone can afford higher cost parts like the 13600K/13700K, and these type of videos help tremendously when it comes to making compromises for a budget build. Keep up the good work!
I genuinely appreciate the focus all the tech gurus put on price vs value. I'm researching for my first build and with my dyslexia all the numbers get overwhelming fast and it saves my few remaining brain cells (ahhh the 80s, how I wish I could remember you. I'm told we had a blast).
Hey man, glad you are getting into the enthusiast world. My tip for you: Start with your planned usage and set a budget. To make things easy, go component after component and make sure the next item is compatible with all previous ones. Write down pcie gen, socket number, ram speeds. Step by step. For gaming, the gpu is most important so spend about a third of the budget on it. Cpu doesn't need to be top of the line, so dont overspend on that, but get some with integrated graphics for future troubleshooting if you are a tinker. Then ram, storage and everything else. The case should have a lot of holes in it, so Steve can sleep peacefully.. Don't overspend on the motherboard and don't cheap out on the powersupply. For the first build, try to avoid watercooling and rgb as it needlesly complicates things. Good luck!
I'd be wary of upgrading at all this year as Intel are at the end of their motherboard support, their next gen going DDR5 exclusively, and AM5 on X670 is limited by RAM speed supported. X670 and it's memory controller are a lot like the original Ryzen, being immature and suffering from limitations in speed support. They're overpriced too. DDR5 is limited in support for Zen 4 to 6000mhz speeds. That's not fast for DDR5.
@@stevenwest1494 Thanks! Just found out that the game I was upgrading for got delayed again so I've got some breathing room. My current pc won't be able to run Dragon Age 4 Dreadwolf and several others but I can wait on those. Thanks again.
Hardware Unboxed did a video on that one. For production it's good (although production people usually just go higher end), but for gaming, the 7600 is better at same price, and the 5600 is very similar at a much lower price.
If the 13400f is just a 12600k with lower consumption then is a win. Its a pain to cool the 12600k unless you like Watercooling. Its the best upgrade for a 12100f budget build.
The 5700X is one of the best CPUs they've ever released, imo. It took the community twisting their arm over the bullshit BIOS excuse they tried to push, but once we got it, holy crap what an effective upgrade for early adopters of Zen/those on 300 series boards.
It's the best of both worlds between the 5600X and 5800X. Eight cores without the monster TDP, and priced lower (even ignoring inflation) than what I paid for my Haswell 4670K in 2014.
@@Impostor39890 wow that is insane, where I live the 5600 still goes for 150$, which is not bad but a 12400 is 155$, so there isn't much difference on that side. For gaming the best combo would probably still be 5600+B450 (140$+100$), though for productivity it would probably be a 13500+B660 (240$+$130$). Man, thinking that one can build the base for a good gaming PC for 300$ (with ram) is quite insane considering that in 2015 an i5+mobo+ram was about 350$. (I mean that considering inflation one would expect the current price for such a built to have become higher rather than lower)
Another benchmark that I think many people would find useful is a CAD/CAM software, such as fusion 360 or solid works, I would love to see how cpus and gpus stack up in 3d design.
I agree, however Solidworks is mostly single threaded, and fluids simulations are essentially memory bandwidth restricted. Most CPUs can do the calculations fast enough, the thing that takes time is transporting the data to and from RAM. It's one of the few places where quad, hexa or octa channel memory really helps.
@@AbbasDalal1000 I'am using my old B450 Gigabyte Gaming X motherboard, before installing the CPU I updated to the latest BIOS version and everything works perfect. Great choice for upgrade BTW 👍. Also I recomend you to enable PBO, set the Curve Optimiser to negative 30 value and enjoy 4650 MHz in games with low voltages and temperatures. The efficency of Zen 3 is really amazing.
Look at that little R7 1700 go. Still showing up in GN benchmarks 6 years later. I feel justified for keeping it going in my daily system for the past 5 years. It's showing its age in the latest games now, so these videos help a lot for helping me understand how much CPU growing room I have available. Your GPU reviews are also really helpful for the same reason. Keep up the great work! This CPU seems kinda weak but at least there are current generation alternatives that compete on performance and price. New market for last gen still being alive is fantastic and helped me to design a build for my brother that would be affordable and upgradable.
Great review guys try keeping the same processors on all benchmarks, specially the ones mentioned in the title(5700x). I would have loved to see how efficient the 5700x is on the power consumption bench, but it wasnt there. Also if you are doing 4 core intel, it should be fair doing the 3300x, zen + or older i would start facing them out since they are almost 4 generations old, and the people on AM4 either moved to zen 2 or zen 3.
Yes please GN. Some R3 3100 and/or 3300x numbers in these videos would be obviously the thing to do. The 3100 even has PCIe 4.0 AND 16 MB of L3 cache. UNLIKE the R3 "4100".....
Literally just bought the i5 12400 2 days ago and seeing that I picked the right CPU for the price is great! I swear if they lowered the price of the 12400 after I bought it I'll be mad lol
@@dgc2780 yeah its a great 8 core cpu! Especially with the efficient power usage and fairly cool temps. Cant go wrong with this cpu and i plan to keep mine for a while too!
I just replaced my R5 3600 with an R7 5700X. At $190 the improvement in performance is significant and noticeable. It's nice to be able to get a significant performance improvement without having to replace the ram, motherboard, power supply, cooling solution, and so on.
Same here. Built a B660/12100F system almost 1 year ago and then upgraded my GPU to a second hand 3060 Ti later in september and I can't complain at all. Runs pretty much everything that I'm interested in/playing, which is almost any game thats not a competitive game. 'don't like those in general' Currently playing Cyberpunk and its a solid experience in regard of performance. I guess even if I do decide to upgrade my CPU then it will be a 12400, not interested in higher end CPUs and that one seems to be the best for the price where I live but currently its not needed for my use case anyway.
@@daelionmr4782 Yeah, I think I will upgrade to a RTX 5070 in 2-3 years and then to a 6 core. Budget gaming is back since this i3 came back and the GPU apocalypse ended. The RTX 3060ti is a capable mid range GPU. It maxes out my ultrawide 1080p screen's resolution and 75hz refresh rate on Cyberpunk on med-high.
@@konstantinlozev2272 Thats funny cause I'm also using a 75Hz 2560x1080 Ultrawide monitor.🙂 In most AAA games I'm GPU bound and not bottlenecked by this i 3 so its a decent combination imo. For now I tend to use higher settings but I will gradually lower it in new more demanding games ofc. I don't mind using DLSS on Quality either so I'm hoping that I won't have to upgrade my 3060 Ti for like 3 years or so and then check how the budget-mid range market is and upgrade to whatever has good value in my budget range.
@@daelionmr4782 Budget gamer tech twin 😁 I do think the 1080p ultrawide is in a sweet spot in terms of resolution. I think 120hz would be a noticeable upgrade but that will be my next rig. Not the current one.
@@konstantinlozev2272 Yea I've 'upgraded' to this monitor and aspect ratio in 2019 and I like it a lot even if some games require some tinkering to get rid of the black bars. I'm mainly playing single player games and for those I like this, gives me a bit better immersion feeling than standard aspect ratio monitors. 'tho this might be just me' And ye the res is about right, a bit more demanding than standard 1080p but still not as much as 1440p so its easier to drive with ~affordable GPUs. Refresh rate is not that important to me but ofc if I ever buy a new UW monitor and it happens to have a higher refresh rate panel then ofc I wont say no to it.
I am glad I went with the 5700x for under $200. It was a simple drop in upgrade over my 3600x and my 1% lows and average frames went up. It will hold me over until AM5 matures a little more and motherboard and ddr5 ram prices go down. For now the 5700x is well balanced with my 3080 at 1440p
@@sirsiver It would have only been a better deal if I was building a pc from scratch. But I was already on AM4 so the 5700x was a simple drop in upgrade. I will wait another year for AM5 prices to drop even further before I build a new pc. For now the 5700x is more than enough performance for my needs
@@sirsiver If I went AM5 I would most likely go for the 7800x3d. But since its $450 because it released recently, I will wait a little longer for it go down in price
Ayuda, en mi caso voy a armar una PC desde 0, no se si irme por un i5 12400f, un 13400f , o un r7 5700x, o saltar a am5 la verdad están caras las placas am5 y las Ddr5, ayuda :( es mi primera PC que armare, es solo para jugar.
The 13500 and 13600 non K, have had like no reviews. The 13600K is an excellent gaming/productivity hybrid CPU but its expensive, id think the 13500/13600 might be a better deal for people who need that extra multithreaded performance.
Just got this cpu (13400F) yesterday and all i care about is the cheaper price when compared to 12600K and the core count (6P+4E). This makes it perfect for my KVM virtualization needs and gaming. I'd say it was a good bargain for the price.
@@unbreakableironman I'm using Gigabyte Z690 Gaming-X (DDR5). Also I upgraded the CPU to i7-13700F. There is also a DDR4 version of the same motherboard and it's an excellent one for the money.
12400 was so good that AMD had to answer with 5600 and healthier prices/value overall. While, 13400f costs more than 12400 and almost as much as 12600kf, but it is a "scuffed" version of it
This would've been great value maybe half a year ago, the 12600k/kf used to cost closer to 300. But with Zen 3 prices constantly plummeting, they just keep being the best choice for budget systems. Remember how damn expensive Ryzen 5000 CPUs were at launch? It's amazing how much room they have to adjust the margins on those.
@@tiarkrezar If you like AMD ecosystem.. I personally being an AMD user for decades, but now days i appreciate intel's chipset BIOS and CPU combo more than AMD to be honest.
@@arslanm4483 probably cause its a good bit less fussy for starters and gets better software support. Its also less ram sensitive, which also comes with less fussiness. Its not something that would matter to most people as long as AMD gives better value in terms of overall performance but when the value is about the same or AMD has worse value it starts to matter way more as a difference maker. Also when i say fussiness i dont mean it in the same way that Radeon has a history of driver and architectural issues, for the most part Ryzen is pretty great and software wise gets hard carried by Microsoft regardless of how much AMD screws up any software they do themselves. This is why you see people who will even prefer Ryzen over Intel but dont touch Radeon GPUs. I kinda went on a tangent that im sure people will disagree with but point is Intel definitely is a little better quality of life than Ryzen but usually its not enough to matter for most people. Theyre close to equal in terms of that kinda comparison
I got mine for $220 six months ago. It wasn't the best value when it launched, but Holy shite, it increased my fps in most of my games by 20-30fps over my old 2600x. Well worth the $$
You know what's hard to justify??? Any AMD graphics card. Haha... I had 3090 on day 1. Was wonderful for 2 years. Sold it for 300$ to a friend, when my 4090 arrived day 1 launch. The poor performance and build quality of AMD graphics cards keeps me away from trying their CPUs. While using a 4090 at 4k resolution, CPUs really don't matter anyway, and I use an LG 42 C2 OLED 4k 120... the 5800x, 13600K, 13900KS, 7950X3D.... all should perform exactly the same at 4k in every modern game. The 4090 is stunning, and running games at 4k 120fps NATIVELY is an absolutely breathtaking experience. . Everyone should have one.
@Michael Belgium No they aren't lol, as shit as the ones on the 13400 are you can still see the 1% low improvement and that's on a clean and unrealistic system that will just have to deal with window's bs. They allow for all the pcores to be solely used for gaming and that's a pretty big advantage. Once again though they're less useful seeing they are alderlake cores that have lost a few 100mhz of boost and a GHz of base clock
It would be great if Gamer's Nexus think about elucidating the details of the changes in the instruction sets brought with new cpu and gpus and how can they benefit the system programmers thereby.
The 13500 is interesting for the core count and reasonable price at MSRP, at least for productivity uses if not gaming. But this and the other rehashing of 12th gen is a bit disappointing from Intel. The ~$200 and lower segment needs some better competition, and not just old CPUs.
Just give it some time, DDR5 prices are coming down and A620 will make a 7600 build a reasonable suggestion if you're not on a super tight budget. I'm not expecting much from Intel though, unless they're going to slash prices hard.
@@Wakka9000 What are you on? A620 is set to release soon-ish, although we don't know exactly when this year, and DDR5 prices have come down enough to at least enter the conversation...?
I do love the work you guys do. However the relative scaling chart around the 18m mark was a little weird to look at and I am not sure if it was a value-add to the video. I think it would be better if you listed the CPUs on the sides of chart that showed their advantage. I was having a hard time reading it.
It's funny to look back and see how the tables have turned, with AMD being the champion of gaming CPUs. With that said, I will be getting i5-13500 for home server because it offers really really good value for the money. That is if you host many small workloads for which having 6P + 8E is perfect, because it is more efficient to have many moderate power cores than few high power ones that have to switch between many threads.
I'm looking to upgrade my PC and even though AMD have some solid and cheap CPU's in the past, Intel have become competitive with their pricing as the I3 12100f is a steal at under £100 for me new while the R5 5600 is £134 new and is a weaker chip. It even competes fairly well with the R5 5600k in most games too and that's £158 but even then the I5 12400f beats the 5600x in most games and that's £156. All in all, 12th gen Intel beats the 5000 series in both price and performance and I'll probably get Intel here just for that great value but the 13th gen Intel is a little shit with little improvements unless you go for the I5 13600k which looks to be a great chip at a great value.
@@crackajacka87 that is not true so much, 12 and 13th generation you see in tests are usually tested with ddr5 memory. Sure you can go this way but MB price is going nearly double and ddr5 is double price to ddr4. Today in new build u need to go for 32gigs and that is solid price diference on budget. Ryzens going ddr4 a relatively cheap mobos usually perform better compared to ddr4 intels.
True. I bought the 9700K 5 years ago because I wanted higher FPS (Zen 2 wasn't out then) but I was burned due to it having 'only' 8 cores with no HT. I experienced lots of stuttering and whatnot and even more so recently. Learnt my lesson and told myself I would rather have lower fps than a consistently stuttering system. Funnily enough, Intel now offers more cores per dollar so I'm getting the 13700K.
@@BugThorn ... Every test I've seen had the same set up but with a different CPU and board and that's it, same ram, same GPU and same PSU and the results still show better price to performances. As for how much ram you actually need, most games run comfortably at around the 10GB mark and so 16GB is still a safe bet for new builds and you only want to go 32GB if you're video editing, rendering or modding with map editors. If you have 32GB of ram and burning through it doing processes then an AMD motherboard might improve performances just a little but I've seen tests on 3200 ram vs 3600 and there was practically no difference in frames added and so you dont really need anything better than a 3200 for gaming as the higher bandwidth and speeds only really benefit processing jobs.
@@crackajacka87 Sorry man, you are too much confident at what you write, althoug i think no so much experienced, no offence. ua-cam.com/video/JH8UTc6lwX8/v-deo.html what about this? Also you propagate that you are fine with 16GB, man this is not a safe bet anymore, that was 5 years ago. New EFT map eats you through 16Gigs alone a start buffereing, hogwarts proved to be ram hungry too in 4K for example. New UE5 games with nanite will be even more hungry as There is less optimalization overhead needed. 16Gigs may be enough mostly, but not a safe bet anymore. Keep your tabs open do some other stuff while GAMING and you are out of ram pretty easily, let alone content creation. And ram speeds, i didnt spoken about. Diference in ddr5 vs ddr4 is the point, and 3200 compared to 5600 will give new cpus in many tasks a big advantage, thats a fact. Watch review on i5 13500, There are some serious differences in apps, where it compete with even 7700 on ddr5, falls far behind with ddr4.
My decision to Upgrade from a 5 year old First gen Ryzen 5 1600 (non-X) to a 5700X on the bios updated B350 mobo was the best decision of the year 2022. Thanks AMD.
With exception to the top 1% most demanding games.. zen3 cores will be producing playable framerates for many years to come. I likely will keep mine for 3 or maybe even 5 years longer. Depending on what you're playing it may still be fast enough to continue using.
I use E cores for virtualization and 13400 is a huge discount for my plans to buy 12600K (I use iGPU for the host). For AMD I would have to go to 2 CCDs for better performance and with 12600K I pay extra for bump in performance that I do not need. The closest competition for my use-case is 3700X. () So yeah shrug, but I am not being mad that I got a discount on a MB and second GPU compared to 5700X. (Not a chipset thing, just motherboards that support a second GPU for VFIO are generally more expensive on both platforms)
@@mircomputers True, I was trying to convey a point that e-cores, local pricing and iGPU can make it a cheaper option. You are correct that it is even more true for 13500.
Unfortunately no one really talks about this CPU. I currently own one for past 9 months and extremely good for gaming. Even on lowest possible settings it is bottlenecked by RTX 3070 on 1080p( if I lower the resolution to 720P I get 10-15% FPS bump on specific title). But I want to see how it compares to i5 12600K/13600K & i7 12700K/13700K on DDR4 as well as DDR5. I myself have 32GB of DDR4 3200 corsair vengeance RGB pro kit and MSI Z690 Tomahawk wifi DDR4 motherboard.
As this release cycle has come through your suite, never been more thankful for buying the 5800X3D when it was on sale. Yes I'm on a 'dead' platform, but when it outperforms or matches the current generation of top of the range, I can't complain. Will be interesting seeing the new X3D chips soon given the core performance uplift but it looks like I'm going to be happy with my build for years
If you say so.. In my opinion am4 is at its peak, because they had years to make it as efficient as possible (software-wise) and if you bought a newer mainboard you are not left behind with i/o, etc. It will at least take another 4 years until you can call am4 outdated and dead I think is a term which depends on your performance needs. As a gamer it will take a looong time until you run against a wall, especially considering that most games which you want to play at 60+ fps are heaviely gpu bottlenecked. As long as I can play with the highest settings enabled getting those sweet 60+ fps and less than 100% cpu load, I am very happy with my pc.
Ok here in Germany the price for the intel i5 13400f in combination with a motherboard is actually way lower than any AMD CPUs (over 100$ cheaper) and the 12600k is also about 100$ more than the 13400f.
I wonder what price would make this CPUs good, given that AMD’s been particularly going aggressive with the pricing over the last few months on the 5000 and 7000 series. It’s possible that Intel could do something similar
I wouldn't be so sure about _Intel_ getting more aggressive with pricing. Among other things, Alder Lake didn't sell as well as Intel hoped, hence the coded statement with the Q4 losses and the rebadged SKUs.
If I had to describe it in one word, inoffensive. Bit of a pointless product right now, but a good example of "there's no bad product, only a bad price". It needs to not bee too much more expensive than a 5600 to really make sense. If the 5600 is below 150$ it just means that the 13400F needs to come down with at least 20%, if not 30%, which is a LOT.
Just replaced my 2700x for an 5700x. I am not disappointed at all. In the end, this will be giving my current mainboard some more life for at least 2-3 years.
Just stuck a 5700x in my sons rig and at $179 at microcenter and currently sitting at 4.8GHZ + 32GB 3400c14 Ram with a overclocked RTX 3070 FTW3 it's great setup.
Bought a used 12600kf for the same price. Had a z690 motherboard. I think a good enough deal considering here in Austria a new 12600k is 70€ more then a 13400f. And I am a bit power constricted with my Mac G4 case and 120mm aio
People in different countries are going to have different prices for different cpus. In the first 5 minutes the only relevant piece of information i got was that it runs R6 at 500+ fps. I don't know why you structured your video like this but i would suggest you start with technical data first, including the specs and the benchmarks and at the end of the video you can talk about the pricing in the US and the cpus "value"
Im still going hardcore with my ryzen 1500x 😅 with evga gtx 1060 3GB version and 512gb samsung 860 evo ssd. I did upgrade to a 35 inch 3440x1440 ultrawide and i love it
Speaking of Arctic, how about a thermal compound test suite comparing Arctic's MX6 with brands from Thermal Grizzly , Kin Pin, Noctua and others. I love Thermal Grizzly's Extreme but it's so expensive.
Sweet, I was hoping to see a comparison between the Ryzen 7 5700x and i5-13400F. 2 weeks ago I had finally switched from the good old s1150 platform ( i7-4770k@4.2Ghz /w Scythe Katana 4, Asus Maximus VI Hero and 4x4Gb Team Vulcan red ddr3@2666mhz) to a new AM4 one based on the R7 5700x ( bought for ~170$) /w Silentiumpc Fera 5 Argb (~30$), Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite v2 ( ~135$) and 2x16Gb ddr4@3200mhz Adata XPG Spectrix D41 Rgb ( ~52$ because I had a 65$ coupon available). I initially wanted to go with the i5-13400F, but it was ~65$ more expensive and a B760 atx board was also ~35$ pricier. Since I'm a casual user and also living in Romania, where the minimum wage is ~305 euros ( ~335$), every dollar counts. Plus, I can barely sense a difference as a casual user in normal everyday tasks compared to my i7-4770k. Now I need to upgrade my Gtx 1070 and 1080p Dell P2414h 60hz@78hz monitor with something more powerful in order to actually make use of the R7 5700x. I did noticed that ingame micro stutters in games like FFXIV are gone now and my fps increased a bit in Guild wars 2, even with this gtx1070, but that's a massive cpu dependent game ( and also poorly optimised). In rest, the average fps increase in other games is like 5-10% max, but with some noticeable less micro stutters in some games, therefore higher 1% lows compared to the i7-4770k. Hopefully I can find an RX6600XT for less than 270$ on the used market... and maybe an AOC 24G2 at a good price.
I can see this CPU being a lot more interesting later on in the 13th gen cycle if it gets more discounts. At least right now, I would rather pay a similar price for a second hand 12600k.
This chip is pretty much a downclocked 12600k. If you get a 12600k you kind of have to get a Z series board or whats the point of an unlocked chip? and when you get a z series board and 12600k its starting to get up there in price compared to the 13400f just chuck a somewhat decent b660m board in like an MSI prime 660m and just unlock the power limits and call it a day.
@@atom608 if the cpu is virtually the same at stock (better most of the time), why would people need the z-class board? Overclocking isn't required it's only a feature Intel locks to profit on motherboards, and besides that overclocking is pretty much dead if you need to pay more just get a better cpu with that extra money
Do you factor in ddr4 v. ddr5 in these tests? Ddr5 prices are getting decent-ish at the lower end & ddr5 motherboards aren't significantly more expensive on the Intel side at least
It's absolutely mind-blowing to me that there are no differences between the i5-12100F, i5-12400F, and i5-13400F - despite being at least a year apart and like 200$ in price difference. Does Intel innovate at all these days?
6P+4E = 8 core cpu with fancy PR name, cheaper build cost on intels side, without lowering consumer price. Intel marketing team was smart on those, selling E cores as 'new tech', when its really just cast off older tech that couldn't be threaded.
My 12 threads of 4.7ghz zen3 is hands down the best value computer part I have ever purchased. I would imagine it will still be delivering playable frame rates for 5 more years.
Have you noticed any (notable) differences between using DDR4 vs DDR5 on 12/13 gen Intel? The argument that DDR4 system is cheaper comes up frequently, but reading the charts I believe you only test with DDR5. Might be worth mentioning.
This is actually bad. AMD didn't release a budget oriented cpu and while Intel used to do it, They're making cheap and low tier cpus cost more (if I explained correctly). This means they're going to leave the -200$ market empty with just a few cpus so people go for higher tiers which will lead to even more expensive cpu.
Yep seems that's why AMD didn't release the 5600 and 5700x until almost two years after the 5600x and 5800x. They knew people would go for the better price to performance cpu if they had released it at the same time
Do you ever occosionally do sort of "state of cpus 2023" type videos? Last built a system a couple? years ago with a ryzen r9 3900x and looking to build a new system now but its so hard getting up to date on the current state of things each time I do this.. videos catching people up who only pattention when their doing builds would be nice :)
New % chart is a good addition at 18:17. Just a suggestion on the colors, maybe 2 sets of red where one is darker? I thought I was looking at Intel vs AMD bars.
The crazy thing is you can get a Ryzen 5 5600 for $140 or less right now, which includes AMD's decent Wraith Stealth cooler. Its a great value for sure :)
it has less power consumption so it could be good for pairing with cheaper motherboards. For example get a dd4 with B660 or H610 kit with 13400f and it could be reasonable
yeah combination with ecores should lower power, if done properly sad 13100 doesnt have ecores as rumored (well basically will be on par with 13400 lul)
I watched the vid and frankly I am a bit disappointed in the conclusions and don't agree. As far as all the value and performance criticisms of the 13400 (F in testing), and somehow being a slightly lesser 12600K being called a bad or "meh" thing, I don't really understand it frankly? The 13400 is in between the 12400 and 12600 in all areas pretty much in the best ways possible for the consumer. The power usage is down near 12400 levels which allows for easier cooling vs a 12600K (which means cheaper), the performance is in between the 2, and the cost is in between the 2. You can get the 13400 and have better performance than the 12400 while paying less than a 12600K and have a far easier time cooling it. Win win. I got a 13400 (non F) the day they became available for my new PC Build and returned the 12600K I had on hand to use originally (saved $25). I don't overclock so it was a wasted feature really and cooling needs were much greater. I am a mild gamer at best but do a lot with photos and video editing so the 13400 is a better option than the 12400. The 13400 has far and away exceeded my expectations and has been a great purchase. I think it fits right in between the 12400 and 12600 very well. Maybe it would have been better to be released as the i5 12500 vs the one they did release as it uses Adler vs Raptor but it is what it is. For many users it is a good choice as it is a very good combo of performance, power usage, and cost. I disagree wholeheartedly with Steve that it is meh and not a good pick.
thanks for letting us know that getting the 12400 at a discount is better than 13400 i only wish the 12600k wasnt priced next to the 13600kf so i could recomend it instead of the 13400f (locally)
An idea/advice: Could you think about / have a survey about that competetive/high refresh games (like CS:GO and R6) CPU rank whould be better if organized by 1% low? I usually play competetive, fast-paced games, I have 240Hz/1080p display, so I more interested in less deeps, less high frametimes, much more than higher avg. fps, because avg. is mostly enough and also practical to limit to ~240fps/g-sync/freesync. If I have issues in-game I have with it with 1%/0.1% lows. This kind of prior maybe whould more talkative/representative graphs for other competetive players. Maybe worth a survey. Thank you the hard and independent work you do all!!! Best regards!!!
If we compare 13400f vs 5700x and 7600 now, after we waited for months AMD to cut prices and after lots people bought in outrageous prices, then we must add in the comparison, that AMD often gives some free games with it's cpus - tetris, pacman or whatever... :)
I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 1700 to the Ryzen 7 5700x on my B350 board. Tech Deals said I needed a 5950x but I only game at 1080p 60 so this is plenty imo.
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Just got in my disappointment tee in the mail, Fantastic as allways. Thanks Steve!
G'day Steve,
Speaking of i3 being a better choice for "Low Budget Gaming" in comments of RGinHD (A channel devoted to those looking into VERY Low Budget Gaming) the other day I had someone try to tell me that 4core CPUs are not enough for gaming anymore 🤦♂
Great video as always! Is there a possibility that you review the i5 13500? I think its a great mid tier budget cpu
@@edwxx20001 The only problem is the Disappointment shirts Don't live up to their name...
They are AWSOME Quality, very comfortable & not a Disappointment at all 😂
although I got last years but was sad I couldn't afford to get one this year 😞so I am disappointed by that.
Great video! I'd like to see gaming power consumption in such videos as those CPUs will likely not be bought for production work.
"This in fact is just a scuffed 12600k"
Perfect summary.
I guess the price jumped, but got mine for $170. So confused by this
Yep, all the budget ones in 13th gen are re-binned 12 gen dies. They are indeed 12600's that were re-binned.
P cores are a mistake.
yes it is locked 12600k true maybe with some type of mbds you can overclock it great !
@@weserphillip When did you get yours and how well does it do because I just picked one up and then I saw this video and I don't know how to feel because I played escape from tarkov on streets which is like a terrible map it was running like 30 frames in my old stuff and now it's running like a 140 frames so I don't know whether or not like I should take it back or what
I love seeing you guys cover mid to low range hardware, I was heavily considering this one for a B660 build but the local listings blessed me with an i3-12100F for $40. Not everyone can afford higher cost parts like the 13600K/13700K, and these type of videos help tremendously when it comes to making compromises for a budget build. Keep up the good work!
I genuinely appreciate the focus all the tech gurus put on price vs value. I'm researching for my first build and with my dyslexia all the numbers get overwhelming fast and it saves my few remaining brain cells (ahhh the 80s, how I wish I could remember you. I'm told we had a blast).
Hey man, glad you are getting into the enthusiast world.
My tip for you:
Start with your planned usage and set a budget.
To make things easy, go component after component and make sure the next item is compatible with all previous ones. Write down pcie gen, socket number, ram speeds. Step by step.
For gaming, the gpu is most important so spend about a third of the budget on it. Cpu doesn't need to be top of the line, so dont overspend on that, but get some with integrated graphics for future troubleshooting if you are a tinker. Then ram, storage and everything else. The case should have a lot of holes in it, so Steve can sleep peacefully..
Don't overspend on the motherboard and don't cheap out on the powersupply.
For the first build, try to avoid watercooling and rgb as it needlesly complicates things.
Good luck!
Will upgrading RAM fix that?
I'd be wary of upgrading at all this year as Intel are at the end of their motherboard support, their next gen going DDR5 exclusively, and AM5 on X670 is limited by RAM speed supported. X670 and it's memory controller are a lot like the original Ryzen, being immature and suffering from limitations in speed support. They're overpriced too. DDR5 is limited in support for Zen 4 to 6000mhz speeds. That's not fast for DDR5.
@@jantomas4884 Hey thanks! I wrote all that down. I appreciate the help.
@@stevenwest1494 Thanks! Just found out that the game I was upgrading for got delayed again so I've got some breathing room. My current pc won't be able to run Dragon Age 4 Dreadwolf and several others but I can wait on those. Thanks again.
Hopefully the 13500 review is coming up. Thats more the value-orientated i5 this gen.
Particularly for production workloads
Hardware Unboxed did a video on that one. For production it's good (although production people usually just go higher end), but for gaming, the 7600 is better at same price, and the 5600 is very similar at a much lower price.
If the 13400f is just a 12600k with lower consumption then is a win. Its a pain to cool the 12600k unless you like Watercooling. Its the best upgrade for a 12100f budget build.
This cpu is like the rtx 4060, almost the same performance, but a Lot more efficient
Absolutely love the fact you include siege in these benchmarks
The 5700X is one of the best CPUs they've ever released, imo.
It took the community twisting their arm over the bullshit BIOS excuse they tried to push, but once we got it, holy crap what an effective upgrade for early adopters of Zen/those on 300 series boards.
It's the best of both worlds between the 5600X and 5800X. Eight cores without the monster TDP, and priced lower (even ignoring inflation) than what I paid for my Haswell 4670K in 2014.
And the 5700G as well! xD
@@chovekb 5700G is gimped by the cache and frequency reduction. Doesn't perform anywhere close to relevancy with current deals.
@@jimtekkit 5800x does not have a monster tdp at all, it has a terrible design of 8 cores within 1 ccd is why it gets so hot
@@SamLoki I think he means relative to the 5700X. They're very close in performance and have similar cores etc, yet the 5700X draws far less power.
Ryzen 5 5600 is still one the best value CPUs right now . If you also consider motherboard prices , it's a no brainer
It's one of the best value CPUs in history!
I can get Ryzen 5600+mobo for the same price as a 12400f now, the price dip since late 2022 has been tremendous.
@@Impostor39890 wow that is insane, where I live the 5600 still goes for 150$, which is not bad but a 12400 is 155$, so there isn't much difference on that side. For gaming the best combo would probably still be 5600+B450 (140$+100$), though for productivity it would probably be a 13500+B660 (240$+$130$).
Man, thinking that one can build the base for a good gaming PC for 300$ (with ram) is quite insane considering that in 2015 an i5+mobo+ram was about 350$. (I mean that considering inflation one would expect the current price for such a built to have become higher rather than lower)
yup. and down the line maybe throw in a used 5800x3d and a crapload of cheap ddr4 ram.
My wife’s bang for the buck gaming setup has the 5600 paired with a RX6600. Such a solid combo.
Another benchmark that I think many people would find useful is a CAD/CAM software, such as fusion 360 or solid works, I would love to see how cpus and gpus stack up in 3d design.
I agree, however Solidworks is mostly single threaded, and fluids simulations are essentially memory bandwidth restricted. Most CPUs can do the calculations fast enough, the thing that takes time is transporting the data to and from RAM. It's one of the few places where quad, hexa or octa channel memory really helps.
Bought a 5700x couple weeks ago, after Ryzen 2600 it is an absolute blast.
Have a 2600x planning to upgrade to same which Mobo do you have?
@@AbbasDalal1000 I'am using my old B450 Gigabyte Gaming X motherboard, before installing the CPU I updated to the latest BIOS version and everything works perfect. Great choice for upgrade BTW 👍. Also I recomend you to enable PBO, set the Curve Optimiser to negative 30 value and enjoy 4650 MHz in games with low voltages and temperatures. The efficency of Zen 3 is really amazing.
Nice upgrade! I went from a 3600x to a 5700x recently and I instantly noticed better %1 lows and better average frames
Look at that little R7 1700 go. Still showing up in GN benchmarks 6 years later. I feel justified for keeping it going in my daily system for the past 5 years. It's showing its age in the latest games now, so these videos help a lot for helping me understand how much CPU growing room I have available.
Your GPU reviews are also really helpful for the same reason. Keep up the great work!
This CPU seems kinda weak but at least there are current generation alternatives that compete on performance and price. New market for last gen still being alive is fantastic and helped me to design a build for my brother that would be affordable and upgradable.
The amount of time it must take you guys to get these results for us is probably crazy. It is appreciated though!
Glad i bought a 12600k like a year ago. It's been an amazing CPU for me, long may it last.
Great cpu! And you will always have the opportunity to upgrade to 13th gen down the road when prices on them go down
Thank you for your work and this video!
Keep up the good work!
Great review guys try keeping the same processors on all benchmarks, specially the ones mentioned in the title(5700x). I would have loved to see how efficient the 5700x is on the power consumption bench, but it wasnt there. Also if you are doing 4 core intel, it should be fair doing the 3300x, zen + or older i would start facing them out since they are almost 4 generations old, and the people on AM4 either moved to zen 2 or zen 3.
Yes please GN. Some R3 3100 and/or 3300x numbers in these videos would be obviously the thing to do. The 3100 even has PCIe 4.0 AND 16 MB of L3 cache. UNLIKE the R3 "4100".....
Literally just bought the i5 12400 2 days ago and seeing that I picked the right CPU for the price is great! I swear if they lowered the price of the 12400 after I bought it I'll be mad lol
I'd Love to see a review of the i5 13500. Just recently upgraded to the 13500 and its an amazing CPU for price to performance in my opinion!
Which mobi did u choose?
Thanks for adding the 5700X, glad to see it still compares well.
Yeah this video makes me feel good about my 5700x purchase. Glad its still hanging with the newer cpus
@@Bdot888 Got mine brand new at $176 sale! so yeah i think im covered for at least 4 years thanks to that awesome CPU
@@dgc2780 yeah its a great 8 core cpu! Especially with the efficient power usage and fairly cool temps. Cant go wrong with this cpu and i plan to keep mine for a while too!
I just replaced my R5 3600 with an R7 5700X. At $190 the improvement in performance is significant and noticeable. It's nice to be able to get a significant performance improvement without having to replace the ram, motherboard, power supply, cooling solution, and so on.
I got a i3 12100f once it came out.
Recently paired it with a RTX 3060TI for EUR 275.
Can't be happier with its performance for the money.
Same here.
Built a B660/12100F system almost 1 year ago and then upgraded my GPU to a second hand 3060 Ti later in september and I can't complain at all.
Runs pretty much everything that I'm interested in/playing, which is almost any game thats not a competitive game. 'don't like those in general'
Currently playing Cyberpunk and its a solid experience in regard of performance.
I guess even if I do decide to upgrade my CPU then it will be a 12400, not interested in higher end CPUs and that one seems to be the best for the price where I live but currently its not needed for my use case anyway.
@@daelionmr4782 Yeah, I think I will upgrade to a RTX 5070 in 2-3 years and then to a 6 core.
Budget gaming is back since this i3 came back and the GPU apocalypse ended.
The RTX 3060ti is a capable mid range GPU. It maxes out my ultrawide 1080p screen's resolution and 75hz refresh rate on Cyberpunk on med-high.
@@konstantinlozev2272
Thats funny cause I'm also using a 75Hz 2560x1080 Ultrawide monitor.🙂
In most AAA games I'm GPU bound and not bottlenecked by this i 3 so its a decent combination imo.
For now I tend to use higher settings but I will gradually lower it in new more demanding games ofc.
I don't mind using DLSS on Quality either so I'm hoping that I won't have to upgrade my 3060 Ti for like 3 years or so and then check how the budget-mid range market is and upgrade to whatever has good value in my budget range.
@@daelionmr4782 Budget gamer tech twin 😁
I do think the 1080p ultrawide is in a sweet spot in terms of resolution.
I think 120hz would be a noticeable upgrade but that will be my next rig. Not the current one.
@@konstantinlozev2272
Yea I've 'upgraded' to this monitor and aspect ratio in 2019 and I like it a lot even if some games require some tinkering to get rid of the black bars.
I'm mainly playing single player games and for those I like this, gives me a bit better immersion feeling than standard aspect ratio monitors. 'tho this might be just me'
And ye the res is about right, a bit more demanding than standard 1080p but still not as much as 1440p so its easier to drive with ~affordable GPUs.
Refresh rate is not that important to me but ofc if I ever buy a new UW monitor and it happens to have a higher refresh rate panel then ofc I wont say no to it.
I am glad I went with the 5700x for under $200. It was a simple drop in upgrade over my 3600x and my 1% lows and average frames went up. It will hold me over until AM5 matures a little more and motherboard and ddr5 ram prices go down. For now the 5700x is well balanced with my 3080 at 1440p
I paid a 7600x 205 euro for my new build, maybe if you waited a bit you could get a better deal :/
@@sirsiver It would have only been a better deal if I was building a pc from scratch. But I was already on AM4 so the 5700x was a simple drop in upgrade. I will wait another year for AM5 prices to drop even further before I build a new pc. For now the 5700x is more than enough performance for my needs
@@Bdot888 sure it's a great processor, indeed the investment for am5 is not worth in your case
@@sirsiver If I went AM5 I would most likely go for the 7800x3d. But since its $450 because it released recently, I will wait a little longer for it go down in price
Ayuda, en mi caso voy a armar una PC desde 0, no se si irme por un i5 12400f, un 13400f , o un r7 5700x, o saltar a am5 la verdad están caras las placas am5 y las Ddr5, ayuda :( es mi primera PC que armare, es solo para jugar.
The 13500 and 13600 non K, have had like no reviews.
The 13600K is an excellent gaming/productivity hybrid CPU but its expensive, id think the 13500/13600 might be a better deal for people who need that extra multithreaded performance.
Apologies for the irrelevant question, but, what's the progress on the fan tester? It's been quite a while since we got an update on it.
Considering all the recent videos, I think they just don't have currently the time/manpower to do much with it.
Just got this cpu (13400F) yesterday and all i care about is the cheaper price when compared to 12600K and the core count (6P+4E). This makes it perfect for my KVM virtualization needs and gaming. I'd say it was a good bargain for the price.
What motherboard are you going to use for the 13400F? Tring to find a mobo that has DDR4 slots and gen 4 m.2, and gen 4 PCI for the GPU.
@@unbreakableironman I'm using Gigabyte Z690 Gaming-X (DDR5). Also I upgraded the CPU to i7-13700F. There is also a DDR4 version of the same motherboard and it's an excellent one for the money.
12400 was so good that AMD had to answer with 5600 and healthier prices/value overall. While, 13400f costs more than 12400 and almost as much as 12600kf, but it is a "scuffed" version of it
This would've been great value maybe half a year ago, the 12600k/kf used to cost closer to 300. But with Zen 3 prices constantly plummeting, they just keep being the best choice for budget systems. Remember how damn expensive Ryzen 5000 CPUs were at launch? It's amazing how much room they have to adjust the margins on those.
@@tiarkrezar True, Only if Intel cut 12th gen prices like AMD
@@tiarkrezar If you like AMD ecosystem..
I personally being an AMD user for decades, but now days i appreciate intel's chipset BIOS and CPU combo more than AMD to be honest.
@@1300l why tho
@@arslanm4483 probably cause its a good bit less fussy for starters and gets better software support. Its also less ram sensitive, which also comes with less fussiness. Its not something that would matter to most people as long as AMD gives better value in terms of overall performance but when the value is about the same or AMD has worse value it starts to matter way more as a difference maker. Also when i say fussiness i dont mean it in the same way that Radeon has a history of driver and architectural issues, for the most part Ryzen is pretty great and software wise gets hard carried by Microsoft regardless of how much AMD screws up any software they do themselves. This is why you see people who will even prefer Ryzen over Intel but dont touch Radeon GPUs. I kinda went on a tangent that im sure people will disagree with but point is Intel definitely is a little better quality of life than Ryzen but usually its not enough to matter for most people. Theyre close to equal in terms of that kinda comparison
I got a 5800x for $200 at microcenter, really hard to justify the 13400f right now.
I got mine for $220 six months ago. It wasn't the best value when it launched, but Holy shite, it increased my fps in most of my games by 20-30fps over my old 2600x. Well worth the $$
I feel like that 13400f will make sense only when Intel 14th gen drops and the price has dropped $80.
and the 5700x is currently $179.99, insane value
You know what's hard to justify??? Any AMD graphics card. Haha... I had 3090 on day 1. Was wonderful for 2 years. Sold it for 300$ to a friend, when my 4090 arrived day 1 launch. The poor performance and build quality of AMD graphics cards keeps me away from trying their CPUs. While using a 4090 at 4k resolution, CPUs really don't matter anyway, and I use an LG 42 C2 OLED 4k 120... the 5800x, 13600K, 13900KS, 7950X3D.... all should perform exactly the same at 4k in every modern game. The 4090 is stunning, and running games at 4k 120fps NATIVELY is an absolutely breathtaking experience. . Everyone should have one.
@@mattgreenfield8038 Even 6800xt can run 4k at 120fps in 99% of the games.
I actually thought by adding 4 e cores would make it a really competitive cpu
If it retained the last gens price point, sure
E-corecel
e cores are worthless
@@wagswams5842 The 12600K also has 4 E-cores, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
@Michael Belgium No they aren't lol, as shit as the ones on the 13400 are you can still see the 1% low improvement and that's on a clean and unrealistic system that will just have to deal with window's bs. They allow for all the pcores to be solely used for gaming and that's a pretty big advantage. Once again though they're less useful seeing they are alderlake cores that have lost a few 100mhz of boost and a GHz of base clock
Man, I feel really good about going from an i7-2600 to i5-12400F.
It would be great if Gamer's Nexus think about elucidating the details of the changes in the instruction sets brought with new cpu and gpus and how can they benefit the system programmers thereby.
The 13500 is interesting for the core count and reasonable price at MSRP, at least for productivity uses if not gaming. But this and the other rehashing of 12th gen is a bit disappointing from Intel. The ~$200 and lower segment needs some better competition, and not just old CPUs.
Just give it some time, DDR5 prices are coming down and A620 will make a 7600 build a reasonable suggestion if you're not on a super tight budget.
I'm not expecting much from Intel though, unless they're going to slash prices hard.
@@Spentalei by the time that happens, there will be new lineup and nobody will care.
@@Wakka9000 What are you on? A620 is set to release soon-ish, although we don't know exactly when this year, and DDR5 prices have come down enough to at least enter the conversation...?
You have gotten way too much mileage out of "Thanks Steve". I love it.
I do love the work you guys do. However the relative scaling chart around the 18m mark was a little weird to look at and I am not sure if it was a value-add to the video. I think it would be better if you listed the CPUs on the sides of chart that showed their advantage. I was having a hard time reading it.
It's funny to look back and see how the tables have turned, with AMD being the champion of gaming CPUs. With that said, I will be getting i5-13500 for home server because it offers really really good value for the money. That is if you host many small workloads for which having 6P + 8E is perfect, because it is more efficient to have many moderate power cores than few high power ones that have to switch between many threads.
I'm looking to upgrade my PC and even though AMD have some solid and cheap CPU's in the past, Intel have become competitive with their pricing as the I3 12100f is a steal at under £100 for me new while the R5 5600 is £134 new and is a weaker chip. It even competes fairly well with the R5 5600k in most games too and that's £158 but even then the I5 12400f beats the 5600x in most games and that's £156. All in all, 12th gen Intel beats the 5000 series in both price and performance and I'll probably get Intel here just for that great value but the 13th gen Intel is a little shit with little improvements unless you go for the I5 13600k which looks to be a great chip at a great value.
@@crackajacka87 that is not true so much, 12 and 13th generation you see in tests are usually tested with ddr5 memory. Sure you can go this way but MB price is going nearly double and ddr5 is double price to ddr4. Today in new build u need to go for 32gigs and that is solid price diference on budget. Ryzens going ddr4 a relatively cheap mobos usually perform better compared to ddr4 intels.
True. I bought the 9700K 5 years ago because I wanted higher FPS (Zen 2 wasn't out then) but I was burned due to it having 'only' 8 cores with no HT. I experienced lots of stuttering and whatnot and even more so recently. Learnt my lesson and told myself I would rather have lower fps than a consistently stuttering system. Funnily enough, Intel now offers more cores per dollar so I'm getting the 13700K.
@@BugThorn ... Every test I've seen had the same set up but with a different CPU and board and that's it, same ram, same GPU and same PSU and the results still show better price to performances.
As for how much ram you actually need, most games run comfortably at around the 10GB mark and so 16GB is still a safe bet for new builds and you only want to go 32GB if you're video editing, rendering or modding with map editors.
If you have 32GB of ram and burning through it doing processes then an AMD motherboard might improve performances just a little but I've seen tests on 3200 ram vs 3600 and there was practically no difference in frames added and so you dont really need anything better than a 3200 for gaming as the higher bandwidth and speeds only really benefit processing jobs.
@@crackajacka87 Sorry man, you are too much confident at what you write, althoug i think no so much experienced, no offence. ua-cam.com/video/JH8UTc6lwX8/v-deo.html what about this?
Also you propagate that you are fine with 16GB, man this is not a safe bet anymore, that was 5 years ago. New EFT map eats you through 16Gigs alone a start buffereing, hogwarts proved to be ram hungry too in 4K for example. New UE5 games with nanite will be even more hungry as There is less optimalization overhead needed. 16Gigs may be enough mostly, but not a safe bet anymore. Keep your tabs open do some other stuff while GAMING and you are out of ram pretty easily, let alone content creation. And ram speeds, i didnt spoken about. Diference in ddr5 vs ddr4 is the point, and 3200 compared to 5600 will give new cpus in many tasks a big advantage, thats a fact. Watch review on i5 13500, There are some serious differences in apps, where it compete with even 7700 on ddr5, falls far behind with ddr4.
My decision to Upgrade from a 5 year old First gen Ryzen 5 1600 (non-X) to a 5700X on the bios updated B350 mobo was the best decision of the year 2022. Thanks AMD.
With exception to the top 1% most demanding games.. zen3 cores will be producing playable framerates for many years to come. I likely will keep mine for 3 or maybe even 5 years longer. Depending on what you're playing it may still be fast enough to continue using.
Great decision! I love my 5700x so far and it will be great for years to come
I use E cores for virtualization and 13400 is a huge discount for my plans to buy 12600K (I use iGPU for the host). For AMD I would have to go to 2 CCDs for better performance and with 12600K I pay extra for bump in performance that I do not need. The closest competition for my use-case is 3700X.
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So yeah shrug, but I am not being mad that I got a discount on a MB and second GPU compared to 5700X. (Not a chipset thing, just motherboards that support a second GPU for VFIO are generally more expensive on both platforms)
Why not 13500, you get much for $15 more.
if you need the cores, 13500 is just sooo much better
@@Oz-gv5fz Great suggestion, it is also cheaper than 12600K :)
@@mircomputers True, I was trying to convey a point that e-cores, local pricing and iGPU can make it a cheaper option. You are correct that it is even more true for 13500.
Would have been nice to see the 13500 on the charts. Surely is very close but +200mhz and 4 more E cores for like 40 bucks makes it interesting
Unfortunately no one really talks about this CPU. I currently own one for past 9 months and extremely good for gaming. Even on lowest possible settings it is bottlenecked by RTX 3070 on 1080p( if I lower the resolution to 720P I get 10-15% FPS bump on specific title). But I want to see how it compares to i5 12600K/13600K & i7 12700K/13700K on DDR4 as well as DDR5. I myself have 32GB of DDR4 3200 corsair vengeance RGB pro kit and MSI Z690 Tomahawk wifi DDR4 motherboard.
As this release cycle has come through your suite, never been more thankful for buying the 5800X3D when it was on sale. Yes I'm on a 'dead' platform, but when it outperforms or matches the current generation of top of the range, I can't complain. Will be interesting seeing the new X3D chips soon given the core performance uplift but it looks like I'm going to be happy with my build for years
If you say so.. In my opinion am4 is at its peak, because they had years to make it as efficient as possible (software-wise) and if you bought a newer mainboard you are not left behind with i/o, etc. It will at least take another 4 years until you can call am4 outdated and dead I think is a term which depends on your performance needs. As a gamer it will take a looong time until you run against a wall, especially considering that most games which you want to play at 60+ fps are heaviely gpu bottlenecked. As long as I can play with the highest settings enabled getting those sweet 60+ fps and less than 100% cpu load, I am very happy with my pc.
Ok here in Germany the price for the intel i5 13400f in combination with a motherboard is actually way lower than any AMD CPUs (over 100$ cheaper) and the 12600k is also about 100$ more than the 13400f.
I wonder what price would make this CPUs good, given that AMD’s been particularly going aggressive with the pricing over the last few months on the 5000 and 7000 series. It’s possible that Intel could do something similar
I wouldn't be so sure about _Intel_ getting more aggressive with pricing. Among other things, Alder Lake didn't sell as well as Intel hoped, hence the coded statement with the Q4 losses and the rebadged SKUs.
I'd say at about 190$ it will be worthy of consideration and at 170$ it starts to become the default option for a budget build.
"The CPU version of a shrug".
That's the power of metaphor. All those tests and measurements summarized in one pithy phrase.
So the move is, use the money to buy a 12600k or save some money and get a 12400(F).
I'm a simple man, I see a "Thanks Steve" intel™ snippet, I press like.
Would have loved to see the 13500 on the chart too since that s the only i5 in stock where i live
If I had to describe it in one word, inoffensive. Bit of a pointless product right now, but a good example of "there's no bad product, only a bad price". It needs to not bee too much more expensive than a 5600 to really make sense. If the 5600 is below 150$ it just means that the 13400F needs to come down with at least 20%, if not 30%, which is a LOT.
Crazy that the 65w 3700x is still hanging in, in alot of benchmarks.
LMAO ,,, basically useless , was not great to begin with and has just been outclassed by lower priced and better performing cpu's
@@tilapiadave3234 Sure, 2 years later! LOL
@@tilapiadave3234 This comment is so ignorant.
Same with the 3600
@@kadrix732 It is you that is so ignorant you fail to see FACTS
I paid 130€ for the 5600 and i'm set. Wake me up when AM6 show up.
Lol yes the 5600 is a budget beast. I will stick with my 5700x for a couple years and wait until AM5 matures more and prices get cheaper
Just replaced my 2700x for an 5700x. I am not disappointed at all. In the end, this will be giving my current mainboard some more life for at least 2-3 years.
Which is a good thing, you dont wanna buy complete new setup at current mainboard prices
hey which motherboard buy with this procesor ?
@@Povilaswildlife For a 5700X I'd recommend a B550 board. It's where everyone seems to agree the sweetspot is.
@@Povilaswildlife get a B550 board. GN had a video comparing B550 boards quality with Buildzoid. Perhaps you should check that video. 😁
@@titan_fx i thinh about elite v2 aorus
Just stuck a 5700x in my sons rig and at $179 at microcenter and currently sitting at 4.8GHZ + 32GB 3400c14 Ram with a overclocked RTX 3070 FTW3 it's great setup.
Killer system! Great choices!
Your son has a great rig! That's a great combo
When the technical and nice way of referring to a product is bad... some engineer is softly hugging his pillow tonight.
Bought a used 12600kf for the same price. Had a z690 motherboard. I think a good enough deal considering here in Austria a new 12600k is 70€ more then a 13400f. And I am a bit power constricted with my Mac G4 case and 120mm aio
Thanks for the video Steve, hope your health is going ok, all the best.
People in different countries are going to have different prices for different cpus. In the first 5 minutes the only relevant piece of information i got was that it runs R6 at 500+ fps. I don't know why you structured your video like this but i would suggest you start with technical data first, including the specs and the benchmarks and at the end of the video you can talk about the pricing in the US and the cpus "value"
Thank you for including the i5-10400 in your comparison charts!
Im still going hardcore with my ryzen 1500x 😅 with evga gtx 1060 3GB version and 512gb samsung 860 evo ssd. I did upgrade to a 35 inch 3440x1440 ultrawide and i love it
Thats trully hardcore ... You still can upgrade to 5xxx processor and get awesome performance 5 years after
Can that 1060 power a 1440p ultrawide tho ?
@@HeinekenLasse hell no lmao.
I love that the technical breakdown conclusion is "its a scuffed 12600k 🤷♂"
efficiency core sound more like a gimmick honestly
Steve, could you also include RPCS3 in your future benchmarks? Many thanks :)
Do you think pairing the 5700x with a 4000 series gpu is a good combo or should I get the 5800x3d
Depends on the game.
First choice: 5800X3D.
Second choice: 5600X.
If you play at 1440p or 4k, then the 5700x should handle it fine. I have a 5700x paired with a 3080 at 1440p and all the games play smoothly
Speaking of Arctic, how about a thermal compound test suite comparing Arctic's MX6 with brands from Thermal Grizzly , Kin Pin, Noctua and others. I love Thermal Grizzly's Extreme but it's so expensive.
Sweet, I was hoping to see a comparison between the Ryzen 7 5700x and i5-13400F. 2 weeks ago I had finally switched from the good old s1150 platform ( i7-4770k@4.2Ghz /w Scythe Katana 4, Asus Maximus VI Hero and 4x4Gb Team Vulcan red ddr3@2666mhz) to a new AM4 one based on the R7 5700x ( bought for ~170$) /w Silentiumpc Fera 5 Argb (~30$), Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite v2 ( ~135$) and 2x16Gb ddr4@3200mhz Adata XPG Spectrix D41 Rgb ( ~52$ because I had a 65$ coupon available). I initially wanted to go with the i5-13400F, but it was ~65$ more expensive and a B760 atx board was also ~35$ pricier. Since I'm a casual user and also living in Romania, where the minimum wage is ~305 euros ( ~335$), every dollar counts. Plus, I can barely sense a difference as a casual user in normal everyday tasks compared to my i7-4770k. Now I need to upgrade my Gtx 1070 and 1080p Dell P2414h 60hz@78hz monitor with something more powerful in order to actually make use of the R7 5700x. I did noticed that ingame micro stutters in games like FFXIV are gone now and my fps increased a bit in Guild wars 2, even with this gtx1070, but that's a massive cpu dependent game ( and also poorly optimised). In rest, the average fps increase in other games is like 5-10% max, but with some noticeable less micro stutters in some games, therefore higher 1% lows compared to the i7-4770k. Hopefully I can find an RX6600XT for less than 270$ on the used market... and maybe an AOC 24G2 at a good price.
I can see this CPU being a lot more interesting later on in the 13th gen cycle if it gets more discounts. At least right now, I would rather pay a similar price for a second hand 12600k.
This chip is pretty much a downclocked 12600k. If you get a 12600k you kind of have to get a Z series board or whats the point of an unlocked chip? and when you get a z series board and 12600k its starting to get up there in price compared to the 13400f just chuck a somewhat decent b660m board in like an MSI prime 660m and just unlock the power limits and call it a day.
@@atom608 if the cpu is virtually the same at stock (better most of the time), why would people need the z-class board? Overclocking isn't required it's only a feature Intel locks to profit on motherboards, and besides that overclocking is pretty much dead if you need to pay more just get a better cpu with that extra money
Well the 5700x is the best option right now.
Amazing how amd pulled this off!!!
Yeah no wonder they released it almost two years after the 5800x. They knew it would be a popular option. I am glad I waited and went with the 5700x
I have a 12600k, absolutely love it
20:08 release your inner ballerina
lol
Do you factor in ddr4 v. ddr5 in these tests? Ddr5 prices are getting decent-ish at the lower end & ddr5 motherboards aren't significantly more expensive on the Intel side at least
It's absolutely mind-blowing to me that there are no differences between the i5-12100F, i5-12400F, and i5-13400F - despite being at least a year apart and like 200$ in price difference. Does Intel innovate at all these days?
Oh cool, Steve's reviewing the CPU I bought a couple weeks ago!
FML.
I got the Ryzen 7 5700x for less than 200 brand new! pretty sweet deal
funny part I have the 13400f with 32 gig ddr 5 5600 and a RX7900xt and happy I am big time .
wow, the new graphics and intro/outro is looking awesome. great vid GN team
I've been very happy with my 5700X. Reviews like this make me even more happy.
6P+4E = 8 core cpu with fancy PR name, cheaper build cost on intels side, without lowering consumer price.
Intel marketing team was smart on those, selling E cores as 'new tech', when its really just cast off older tech that couldn't be threaded.
Are you dropping reviews for the 13500 and 13600 non-K ?
Oh dude, almost 3 years later and the Zen 3 CPUs still being beasts (5600 & 5700X) for less than 200 bucks.
My 12 threads of 4.7ghz zen3 is hands down the best value computer part I have ever purchased. I would imagine it will still be delivering playable frame rates for 5 more years.
Coming from a 3rd Gen i5, it’s absolutely the best upgrade I could make in my budget. Really happy with it
if you ignore every other option, yes, this is the best upgrade you could make
Have you noticed any (notable) differences between using DDR4 vs DDR5 on 12/13 gen Intel? The argument that DDR4 system is cheaper comes up frequently, but reading the charts I believe you only test with DDR5. Might be worth mentioning.
This is actually bad. AMD didn't release a budget oriented cpu and while Intel used to do it, They're making cheap and low tier cpus cost more (if I explained correctly). This means they're going to leave the -200$ market empty with just a few cpus so people go for higher tiers which will lead to even more expensive cpu.
Yep seems that's why AMD didn't release the 5600 and 5700x until almost two years after the 5600x and 5800x. They knew people would go for the better price to performance cpu if they had released it at the same time
$100 markup here in Australia. Gosh darn.
Will there be a look at the i5 13500?
Do you ever occosionally do sort of "state of cpus 2023" type videos? Last built a system a couple? years ago with a ryzen r9 3900x and looking to build a new system now but its so hard getting up to date on the current state of things each time I do this.. videos catching people up who only pattention when their doing builds would be nice :)
New % chart is a good addition at 18:17. Just a suggestion on the colors, maybe 2 sets of red where one is darker? I thought I was looking at Intel vs AMD bars.
I debated watching the video after the overall summary in the first minute but I was curious as to how bad it is.
I love your no punches pulled approach
The crazy thing is you can get a Ryzen 5 5600 for $140 or less right now, which includes AMD's decent Wraith Stealth cooler. Its a great value for sure :)
Yeah the 5600 is still great and holding its weight against these new gen cpus!
it has less power consumption so it could be good for pairing with cheaper motherboards. For example get a dd4 with B660 or H610 kit with 13400f and it could be reasonable
yeah combination with ecores should lower power, if done properly
sad 13100 doesnt have ecores as rumored (well basically will be on par with 13400 lul)
I watched the vid and frankly I am a bit disappointed in the conclusions and don't agree. As far as all the value and performance criticisms of the 13400 (F in testing), and somehow being a slightly lesser 12600K being called a bad or "meh" thing, I don't really understand it frankly? The 13400 is in between the 12400 and 12600 in all areas pretty much in the best ways possible for the consumer. The power usage is down near 12400 levels which allows for easier cooling vs a 12600K (which means cheaper), the performance is in between the 2, and the cost is in between the 2. You can get the 13400 and have better performance than the 12400 while paying less than a 12600K and have a far easier time cooling it. Win win. I got a 13400 (non F) the day they became available for my new PC Build and returned the 12600K I had on hand to use originally (saved $25). I don't overclock so it was a wasted feature really and cooling needs were much greater. I am a mild gamer at best but do a lot with photos and video editing so the 13400 is a better option than the 12400. The 13400 has far and away exceeded my expectations and has been a great purchase. I think it fits right in between the 12400 and 12600 very well. Maybe it would have been better to be released as the i5 12500 vs the one they did release as it uses Adler vs Raptor but it is what it is. For many users it is a good choice as it is a very good combo of performance, power usage, and cost. I disagree wholeheartedly with Steve that it is meh and not a good pick.
GN, you are missing AMD R9 CPUs in the Blender and Code Compile charts.
Thanks Steve
great review, thx buddy
thanks for letting us know that getting the 12400 at a discount is better than 13400
i only wish the 12600k wasnt priced next to the 13600kf so i could recomend it instead of the 13400f (locally)
same situation in my region, 12600k is priced next to the 13600kf, ridiculous
will you be making an extra large modmat or a updated large one soon?
13500 review when
An idea/advice: Could you think about / have a survey about that competetive/high refresh games (like CS:GO and R6) CPU rank whould be better if organized by 1% low?
I usually play competetive, fast-paced games, I have 240Hz/1080p display, so I more interested in less deeps, less high frametimes, much more than higher avg. fps, because avg. is mostly enough and also practical to limit to ~240fps/g-sync/freesync.
If I have issues in-game I have with it with 1%/0.1% lows. This kind of prior maybe whould more talkative/representative graphs for other competetive players. Maybe worth a survey.
Thank you the hard and independent work you do all!!!
Best regards!!!
6:43 You really call me out like that oof lol.
1 year later and he's eating these words. 13400f is amazing. Period.😊
lol Yes))
If we compare 13400f vs 5700x and 7600 now, after we waited for months AMD to cut prices and after lots people bought in outrageous prices, then we must add in the comparison, that AMD often gives some free games with it's cpus - tetris, pacman or whatever... :)
The "Thanks Steve" always gets me.
I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 1700 to the Ryzen 7 5700x on my B350 board. Tech Deals said I needed a 5950x but I only game at 1080p 60 so this is plenty imo.