More like we cant fine any "finewine" graphics card, when the time gtx1060 or rx570 domination all benchmark games but when the game are way more realistic and also poor optimization then there's a problem since most of budget card now still not powerful enough as p/p than CPU itself, if exist the price are not "budget"
I notice that more expensive 13500 is completely different beast. Got 4 extra cores\threads, 200mhz bump turbo and gpu for £40 more. It is interesting decision.
The addition of E-cores into Intel's budget oriented CPUs is a very nice addition in my opinion. Makes me have high hopes for future multicore performance on next gen processors
This seems actually a more typical conf for the Average PC gamer. I mean, the most popular GPU on Steam is the 1650. Most PC gamers don’t have deep pockets, even though when you read comments under videos of tech tubers it seems that everyone has a high end PC and upgrades all the F times.
1650 is popular on steam because of the huge amount of cheap gaming laptops that include it's weaker portable variant. Steam doesn't show you which type of GPU it is tho
@@Nonebit they do have different percentages for 3060 mobile and desktop, if I recall correctly. Still, if memory serves, they don’t have anything better than the 3060 in the top 5 and, the best GPU in the top 10 is the 3070. The 3080 is 17th or something. Ain’t saying the Steam HW survey is gospel but it is data we can look at and, Steam is the most popular online store. That data show a pretty different picture than the one you might expect reading some comments on the Internet. That’s all I’m saying. 🙂
Its always a breath of fresh air on the tech YT video scene to watch someone pairing components that are reasonably priced and that perform well together.
I just upgraded 2 systems to 5600G on a 300 and 400 series motherboard. Really worked a treat, going to get every cent I can out of these AM4 boards. An Asus Prime B350M-A from 2017 runs a 5600G perfectly, it feels even more stable and steady than a GA-B450M-DS3H which 3 years newer.
Intel's release of non K raptor lake products has been a blessing. This cpu is strong enough to handle many GPUs with little to no bottlenecks. Curious to see how it runs with something like a 4090. I5 13400 seems solid for midrange imo. Great video as always!
The 13400 should perform about 5-10% faster than a 12400 in gaming workloads. The 4.1GHz all-core boost clock really holds it back, considering the 12600K does 4.5GHz all-core in games.
@@vloblo yeah I honestly think it's not even faster than the 12400f at the same clock. Might even lose then due to the 13400 having the E cores which wrecks some games, much higher power consumption and being much hotter.
@@tilburg8683 Clocks a bit faster (0.2 Ghz). Windows 10/11's E-core scheduler is pretty good, minimal losses in gaming. At worst, E cores runs background tasks as intended. It's a net upgrade with scummy naming making people think these are 13th gen Kaby Cove cores. It seems that Intel is not going to give any processors below 13600k real Kaby Cove cores, 13600 included.
Given current LGA 1700 mobo prices, i kinda really like these new i5's. They're very very very fast and you're not going to run out of threads anymore with these. Dead end platform but who cares! You're spending a lot less than if you went AM5, are getting top tier performance and can even reuse old DDR4 memory if you want.
Yep, it might be a dead-end platform but it will certainly last for the next couple of years, and with that we only have to upgrade the gpu down the path 😁
I don't feel like purchasing AM5 for "platform longevity" is as much of a consideration for the majority of people as the internet comments try to make you believe... I'm still on an i7-8700 which is perfectly capable of doing what I want it to, despite it no longer appearing on most benchmark charts 😛
@@MLWJ1993 You'll be fine I'm still on my i7-3770 and it runs most things well lol. Only things it wont are top of the line performance hog games & games that are poorly optimized. Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F system soon though. After over 10 years, I feel like it's time for a change (mainly for all the work I'm doing on it. It performing better on games is just a plus). I agree though. Platform longevity should only be considered as a bonus. Otherwise, your budget is best put to a system that gets you the most worth for your money.
Looks like it's priced really nice too. Though I'd happily pay the extra $10-$20 for integrated graphics to fall back on and for QuickSync if you do any kind of video editing/export.
The catch with that seems to be that a 13400F retails for 229 euro here, whereas the 13400 retails for 269 euro. That same 40 euro is the difference between a 3050 and a 3060, which is a huge difference performance wise.
The efficiency cores are better for having background programs. Saw a video where they disabled the efficiency cores and the performance was the exact same except for some few like 2 fps dips. The efficiency cores allow much less performance loss if you like having your entire search history open while playing a game.
Outstanding. I guess i wasn't paying attention to the beginning narrative because you had me worried there wasn't going to be a comparison, but you nailed it at the end. It would have been a missed opportunity. You knocked this one out of the park. There is a lacking of cpu scaling content at the mid to lower end Intel chips presently and this was what i've been watching for. This is one of my favorite videos of yours. I'd keep riding this pony. Bigger channels are appealing to the biased masses and seemingly only scaling the new ryzen chips with only the high end intel chips making appearances. I'm sure it's hard work because not many do much of it consistently. Regardless, good show.
If I understand the launch info correctly, the 13400F is just a tweaked 12th gen. Only some of the higher SKUs are actually new. Hence, the differences vs. a 12400F are likely minimal, though beyond that I wonder just how much the gain would be from either CPU over a 10400F. Hmm, an x400F generational roundup would be interesting to see the scaling, if any, between generations, as even today the 8400 is quite popular on ebay.
The 13400 is essentially a 12600K with lower clocks. Consequently, the 13500 is just 13600K with lower clocks, which I honestly think is a better buy for only $20-30 more.
the performance is depressing in the US being $43 more expensive as someone wanting to upgrade from a 10100 I am 100% gonna go with the 12400/F just waiting a bit to see if the prices drop
Great review, i like that you used a budget gpu, with the settings most of us will use, and demonstrated that, the new chip, won't matter much in terms of gaming. Using settings or gpus that nobody will pair, shows different things, but i like to see how my system will behave, and not how many frames the cpu will hit at 720p paired with a rtx 4090
This comparison is much more helpful and meaning full. You did an awesome video. Most ppl use a top tier Motherboard and ram which will not give useful info to budget gamers ... thank you
Here in Indonesia, 13500 is an Absolute Bang! Always sold out everywhere, and many Indonesian tech UA-camr always recommend it for a new builders out there. So for everyone here who wants to build a new desktop setup, i really recommend it!
2024, I have a prebuilt PC with an RTX 4060, 16 gigs DDR5, and this CPU. The CPU is literally perfect for the GPU, neither have ever noticeably bottlenecked the other, and the PC stays quiet and cool even under 100% load on both components. I want to upgrade but at the same time, I don't really have a reason too lol
the 13th gen intel chips are quite impressive, i recently upgraded from a 5800x to a i7 13700k. i know its not exactly budget but to me its a great example of how good intel is now days
I agree but i prefer to keep my r7-5800x rig cause i plan to upgrade again only when zen5/zen6 comes out on a better developed and cheaper ddr5+pcie5.0 platform in the future. I might consider going back to Intel (16th or 17th gen) who knows, whatever brand gives me the best bang for buck platform comes home with me! I'm not an AMD fanboy, in 2020-2021 when i made my current PC my parts where the best i can afford with my budget. The only upgrade i might do it's a 599€ card that makes me play 4k@144hz maxed out without the need of upscalers. Right now i'll enjoy my rx6750xt XFX Merc Black (599€ in June2022). Only with s.a.m. + undervolt and overclock (2823mhz) i have the same performance as a stock 3070ti 😎 Games arent getting more demanding yet and i never seen my "old" hardware struggle, no need to upgrade anytime soon 😎
I am building my new Pc, finishing it after this video actually! It is a 12400f I found new for 140 USD and a b660 MSI Bazooka 145 USD. Carrying over my ram and gpu from my last build. I-5 9600k, Z370 ATX Gigabyte Board, Trident Z 3600, and an Asus Dual RTX 3060ti. This video makes me feel good about the pairing. VS the 13400f the 12400f looks to be a great value. Thank you for your hard work and appreciate the content RGINHD!
A number of years back when I had more disposable income and was just getting into 3D rendering and occasional video work, I built an X58 based system with 6 sticks of memory, 3x water cooled GPUs and an i7 with 4 cores and 8 threads (was somewhat impressive for the time). Since I enjoyed the tinkering aspect and was having too much fun on ebay.. I went from the i7 930 to a used Xeon X5650 for the additional cores. Then, like a moron I thought "well if 6 cores is better than 4, how far can I push this?" and rebuilt around a Xeon e5-2692 v2, 12 cores and 24 threads.. I'd never seen so many threads in task manager and you bet it ripped through multithreaded workloads For somewhat modern comparison, the multithread score in Cinebench was about on par with a first gen Ryzen 1700, but was released ~3.5 years earlier. Gaming power demands have gone up significantly since then, but hobby rendering workloads not so much.. Sure you can render faster with high end stuff, but for a hobby you can just render overnight any big tasks and it's the general feel while working that matters most. For that, the 12400F is actually plenty powerful enough. With half the core count of the old Xeon it's still 30% faster in multi core workloads and single core is an utterly insane improvement I feel quite confident in saying the 12400F is the new Sandy Bridge.. I still have a 2500k that I threw together in a back room out of spare parts as a general office work machine but even today it's still snappy and surprisingly capable given how cheap they were when new. The 12400F is the same, remarkable performance for the price tag and likely enough to get by for many years to come. I already have a 3080 paired with mine and will likely upgrade the GPU once more before I even consider a new CPU
I got a i5 13500 in the tray version, that way i saved about 20€. I built my new system yesterday with a Strix B660-f which also had the newest bios on it. Im very satasfied with it's performance but power consumption could be a little bit lower i think, or maybe im thinking that way because i upgraded from an i5 10400f. At first i was worrying about my AIO not fiting the LGA 1700 because its an enermax aquafusion 360mm without an actual LGA 1700 installation kit, but fortunately the more expensive and high end-like (only) asus mainboards all have like a double hole cutout for installing different kinds of coolers so that way i was able to fit my LGA 1200 bracket on that board without thermal issues.
Just assembled a budget-ish ITX build using this + a used kit of 32GB DDR5 5600m-t CL40 & a used 2070 Super that I re-pasted. So far it appears to be very good at 1080p!
Beautifully spoken and presented, sir! I thought about subscribing to you after this video, then I noticed that I was already subscribed... to a fellow Englishman! I'm planning on buying this year an ASUS Prime 660-M motherboard with the i5-13400F (with better cooler) paired with the RTX 3070 and 32 GB of 3600 MHz DD4 RAM and a 1TB M.2 SSD. 😃👍 And you are right: the 13400 is not a "budget" processor (13th Gen FFS!) but a mid-range one... unlike other UA-camrs claim!
Don't forget to mention that this cpu boost with the stock cooler only at 4100 MHz, which is terribly low, maybe also the cheap mobo is the root cause, but this cpu due OC3D could run at full load of P-Cores at 4600Mhz which is much better, we all await MSI B760 Max MORTAR which will have external clock grnerator and allows you to overclock non-K cpu via BCLK e.g. from 100MHz to 125MHz then we will see this cpu boosted around 5GHz at all P-Cores and that will be the real deal for us. Thanks for review!
Dude, thank you for making these videos, always been hard for me to wrap my head around pc building testing and all the bits between. Your videos have been a crutch of comfort thank you for that!
The I5-13400 is basically a I5-12600. I bought a 12400 for my wife's Christmas PC that we have yet to build. I don't think I'll bother returning it based on your numbers.
That's not a bad little CPU at all, and if I was going for a more realistic/less extreme build, then I'd certainly consider this, as it seems to be more than adequate at pretty much anything.
I upgraded from a 12100F to a 13400F. And it’s cool to see so many threads in task manager but I’m rocking a stock cooler and a B660 motherboard with all cpu power setting set to maximum. And well…. For me its not faster than the 12100F because it just hits the thermal and power limit immediately! So now I need to buy a new cooler asswell 🤦♂️ .
This video was helpful in upgrading my roommate's PC from a 6600K to a 13400F. Not only does that old thing have 4 cores with no multithreading, but the highest memory frequency it supports is 2133. So my man's getting a pretty sizeable upgrade! The 12400F was about $20 cheaper, so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to not go for the 13 just to further future proof things by juuuuust that much. Didn't go with a K because it was about $50 more and he definitely won't need anything like that for enough time to go until the next full upgrade. CPU is still going to be more powerful than the 1080 he's got in there and when he does inevitably get a new GPU he's not the kind of guy who is going to be spending over $500 on one.
I bought this a few days ago and installed it, bloody brilliant. I couldn't believe the performance improvement from using an old i5 3rd gen to upgrading to this
I've heard good things, yes. I'm personally coming from an i7 3rd gen myself & after over 10 years, I've started to feel its age in both work & games. Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F soon (got it for $85!) which should be enough for my needs, I can't wait!
@@KilliKonKarnage granted, while I've also transferred to using SATA SSDs along those years, I'll also be moving to M.2 NVMes for this upgrade, which seems to be even better. I imagine loading/saving & copying/transferring workfiles would be extremely efficient with it, based on what I've seen.
I recommend you to test cpus with the RPCS3 emulator. A really demanding cpu program and you can see the real performance of every cpu you test. Even more with the games that aren't fully playable, like God of War 3, Red Dead Redemption and the Infamous games.
You typically don't see games allocating work to E-cores, at least not for primary game logic since those benefit from higher clockspeeds of the P-cores. In spiderman they're used for asynchronous tasks (like shader compilation) though so they're not entirely useless in gaming either.
I will be "upgrading" my Pentium G7400 to that i5 in the future. I won't be soon, as the price for that i5 13400 is a bit too high. But when it is the price of something like a i5 10400f, I will definitely get one.
I still feel like a "budget" gamer but my specs are beyond budget and more into high end now. Started off with budget parts so maybe that's why! Great video and review as always!
The reason why i like intel because they're the only ones actually making budget products.. AMD doesn't even bother with the 3 series or even the x500 of 5 series
I still use a i7 10750h laptop with a rtx2060. 1080p ultra mode with Forza Horizon 4 with the new engine update . Still runs the game over 117Fps and about 93fps low . Forza is really good with using your hardware . I will test forza 5 soon on that laptop.
The clock speeds were a bit odd, weren't they? Looking at skinflint, it's supposed to hit 4.6 ghz with turbo boost 2.0. I'm not very familiar with Intel, is that something you can only enable in more expensive motherboards?
I was planning to make a build with the i5-12400f + rx 6750xt/3060ti and then I got a message from a friend the 13400f dropped. I'd say this cpu would be a worthy investment
@@sleepy_szn as attractive as it is, I may end up switchin build last minute, Now that i gave it some more thought, it is quite a significant part change, from 5400 to 6300 RON (I live in Romania) I was originally going for a 12400f and a b660 motherboard, But i might even go R5 5600 + B550 because I decided to go with the Rx 6750xt First time going AMD so it will be an interesting change, also I don't care about RT so im fine with the more powerful 6750xt over the 3060ti (its actually cheaper XD)
With 10 cores in the core i5 at the non-K level, I would assume this will be what core i5 is going forward. Ryzen 5 is going to have to get their IPC up to compete, it's going to be a bloodbath.
An interesting note about the 13400 and 13500, the 13400 is an ADL chip while the 13500 is RPL, aside from the clock/ecore differences I wonder how performance changes along with the slight tweaks that come with RPL (namely improved ecore/ring behavior and a stronger IMC)
I'll be honest, if I were building a new system right now, I'd probably just get a b550 and 5600g. Call it a day. For me it would be about $60 or so cheaper to go that route. I see nothing wrong with the 13400f, if the price dropped to some extent then it would give it more value as an option.
Your budget orientated mentality has been slowly rubbing off on me this last year, I spent £80 on an i5 10400f from CEX, £95 on a MSI z490i ITX from ebay and £50 on 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 3200 new. I just need to find a bargain GPU upgrade for my GTX 980 now, I've had it since 2014, but it's served me well with an i7 3770 all those years. I could have afforded to build new, but I'm tight af and love a bargain mate.
I still feel very good about my 12400F, and I have it matched with a 3060, so a 13400F wouldn't offer too much more. I'm sure the single core performance seems a bit better though.
hello guys, i have the same cpu and im wondering why my CPU doesnt reach its max clock as in the spec sheet (4.6ghz) its always locked at 4 , is there any way to get more speed please ?
I have i7 12700f and i9 12900k and adjusting pl1 and pl2 was the thing in performance and turbo boost,my brother asked intel about pl1 and pl2 bcs he has a lab of testing psu's,cpu's,gpu's they told him its not out of the specs to adjust the pl1 and pl2,but more voltage on 13/14 gen is bad,so just adjusting the pl1 and pl2 isnt the problem,so you can set the pl1 and pl2 to 148 [for your cpu] and you will have turbo boost forever in high load tasks... like gaming and productivity. That wont downgrade the cpu..the problem was not the power limits with 13/14th gen it was the voltage...so be safe to adjust your pl1 and pl2 to your cooling solutions
I'd like to see reviewers start to give an average GPU % usage and 1% low GPU usage instead of raw FPS. The job of the CPU is to feed the GPU to keep it at 98%+ usage. If it drops it means the engine is trash or the CPU is too weak. Reviewing like that would also educate people on the role of a CPU. When i have FPS issues i look at my GPU usage to see if it is normal behavior.
In the past we could buy an I5 with about 150$ and it was capable of doing everything back in the days. Now we have to pay over 200$ for a good CPU. Not only that, but even the I3 used to make sense at about 100$ in the I3-8100 days... Since then it remained 4 cores only. The I3 13100 should have at least 2 E cores, but they want ot bad. They want it not to make sense. Prices are going up and up and this is not good
Is the motherboard the reason for the low 4.1 GHz clock speed? The CPU is supposed to boost to 4.6 GHz on all cores, but that must be without the 65 W power limit. Anyway, in Poland, the 12400F costs about $143, the 13400F costs about $203. Gigantic difference for very little gain. The entire 13th gen locked i5 line-up is a rehash of Alder Lake. The 13400F is literally a 12600K (identical core count and cache), but with lower clocks.
@@vlad54rus-a But that cannot be true on motherboards with a Z chipset. I am certain you can set the highest single-core boost multiplier for all cores. At least that used to be the case with older CPUs. I guess B and H chipsets do not allow that, since it is kind of like overclocking.
@@vlad54rus-a Wow, that is terrible, especially compared to the Ryzen 7600, which boosts to ~5 GHz on all cores and you can overclock it. Thanks for the info, I will make sure to stay away from locked Intel CPUs.
You should mention what operating system you use since windows 11 was made with Intel in mind. I don't think Linux or windows 10 can leverage the different core frequencies of the performance and efficiency cores, and would more than likely slow the system compared to previous gen CPU's.
Thank god Intel is bringing more cores to their budget CPUs. AMD is asking $300 for a 6-core 7600x. Intel is giving you 10 cores for $200. 13th gen also works on very cheap B660 and z690 (as well as the new 700 series boards) which are considerably cheaper than AMD's AM5 boards, which start at $200+. Also the fact that 12th and 13th gen offer DDR4 and DDR5 support, while AMD is forcing DDR5, makes that another area going with Intel can save you more money.
Why do you use h610 motherboard? I bought a new pc (from i3 2310m and GeForce 410m to i3 12100f and RX 6500 XT) and did some research on the differences between b660 and h610 motherboards and discovered that h610 doesn't support dual channel memory.
HOW MANY TIMES do you require that to be done? It is a moving target as DDR5 gets slowly cheaper and faster. I still do not see the extra money worthwhile but i do know that changes with every week that go's past
1:33 how much faster? I use davinci, and I would love to see a lineup of good, mid range, normal systems and do speed tests side by side. That's why I get frustrated with people like Linus and Jay, while their content is good, perhaps even excellent, the focus too much on super high end stuff, or really rare bits of tech, and, I love that, but I also can't relate. That's why RGHD is my go to "daily driver" channel. You produce excellent and *RELATABLE* content.
TestingGames channel did the same comparison i5 13400f vs i5 12400f but he has 10-20 difference. He is using rtx 4090 at 1080p, do you think that is possible adding better gpu than rtx 3060 ti?
We live in an age where budget cpus are still cheap with plenty o performance to be used for years but budget gpus of the same kind don't exist
Yeah hopefully some day
Maybe the best price/performance budget GPU is the RX 6600.
More like we cant fine any "finewine" graphics card, when the time gtx1060 or rx570 domination all benchmark games but when the game are way more realistic and also poor optimization then there's a problem since most of budget card now still not powerful enough as p/p than CPU itself, if exist the price are not "budget"
6600? 6650 xt? 6700 xt?
@@AndreFreitas91250 grabbed one last month. It's perfect if you stick to 1080p but not really above.
I notice that more expensive 13500 is completely different beast. Got 4 extra cores\threads, 200mhz bump turbo and gpu for £40 more. It is interesting decision.
Yeah that does look tempting indeed
Was going to comment exactly this. 13500 looks like the sweet spot in this generation
Hopefully the performance is as good as it sounds, that would make the 13500 a really good option for 1200 dollar builds
probably better off with a 13600k because of the extra cache
Do you need extra 4 E-cores for desktop!! I guess we don't need efficiency cores from a gaming point of view. If it's a laptop, it makes sense.
The addition of E-cores into Intel's budget oriented CPUs is a very nice addition in my opinion. Makes me have high hopes for future multicore performance on next gen processors
@Lurch Just out of curiosity, what makes you stay away from E-Cores?
@@tech_evolved because amd is the little guy and people have no problem paying massive premiums for anything they buy... intel or amd
Actually, they are almost completely useless for desktops 😁It would be better to have 2 more regular cores instead of 4 "little ones" .
am I the only guy who wants 4-P cores but 16-E cores?
@@aleksazunjic9672 pretty sure the size is 1P to 4E on the die
Really appreciate the different coloured results for 13400f in the comparison section. Made it way easier to understand
This seems actually a more typical conf for the Average PC gamer. I mean, the most popular GPU on Steam is the 1650. Most PC gamers don’t have deep pockets, even though when you read comments under videos of tech tubers it seems that everyone has a high end PC and upgrades all the F times.
You wrong ma man, the most popular GPU is Other. Ba dum tss!
@@jetblack15 Fancy seeing you here. LOL.
1650 is popular on steam because of the huge amount of cheap gaming laptops that include it's weaker portable variant. Steam doesn't show you which type of GPU it is tho
@@Nonebit they do have different percentages for 3060 mobile and desktop, if I recall correctly. Still, if memory serves, they don’t have anything better than the 3060 in the top 5 and, the best GPU in the top 10 is the 3070. The 3080 is 17th or something.
Ain’t saying the Steam HW survey is gospel but it is data we can look at and, Steam is the most popular online store. That data show a pretty different picture than the one you might expect reading some comments on the Internet. That’s all I’m saying. 🙂
Its always a breath of fresh air on the tech YT video scene to watch someone pairing components that are reasonably priced and that perform well together.
I just upgraded 2 systems to 5600G on a 300 and 400 series motherboard. Really worked a treat, going to get every cent I can out of these AM4 boards. An Asus Prime B350M-A from 2017 runs a 5600G perfectly, it feels even more stable and steady than a GA-B450M-DS3H which 3 years newer.
i've got the 12400F with a 3070Ti for my living room pc and that is bloody awesome. i have no doubt that the 13400F also is bloody awesome
Intel's release of non K raptor lake products has been a blessing. This cpu is strong enough to handle many GPUs with little to no bottlenecks. Curious to see how it runs with something like a 4090. I5 13400 seems solid for midrange imo. Great video as always!
Definitely, and thank you :)
13400/13500 is Alder Lake refreshed, not Raptor Lake.
The 13400 should perform about 5-10% faster than a 12400 in gaming workloads. The 4.1GHz all-core boost clock really holds it back, considering the 12600K does 4.5GHz all-core in games.
@@vloblo yeah I honestly think it's not even faster than the 12400f at the same clock. Might even lose then due to the 13400 having the E cores which wrecks some games, much higher power consumption and being much hotter.
@@tilburg8683 Clocks a bit faster (0.2 Ghz). Windows 10/11's E-core scheduler is pretty good, minimal losses in gaming. At worst, E cores runs background tasks as intended. It's a net upgrade with scummy naming making people think these are 13th gen Kaby Cove cores. It seems that Intel is not going to give any processors below 13600k real Kaby Cove cores, 13600 included.
Given current LGA 1700 mobo prices, i kinda really like these new i5's. They're very very very fast and you're not going to run out of threads anymore with these. Dead end platform but who cares! You're spending a lot less than if you went AM5, are getting top tier performance and can even reuse old DDR4 memory if you want.
Yep, it might be a dead-end platform but it will certainly last for the next couple of years, and with that we only have to upgrade the gpu down the path 😁
@Cake it'll last for atleast 5 years
I don't feel like purchasing AM5 for "platform longevity" is as much of a consideration for the majority of people as the internet comments try to make you believe...
I'm still on an i7-8700 which is perfectly capable of doing what I want it to, despite it no longer appearing on most benchmark charts 😛
@@MLWJ1993 You'll be fine I'm still on my i7-3770 and it runs most things well lol. Only things it wont are top of the line performance hog games & games that are poorly optimized.
Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F system soon though. After over 10 years, I feel like it's time for a change (mainly for all the work I'm doing on it. It performing better on games is just a plus).
I agree though. Platform longevity should only be considered as a bonus. Otherwise, your budget is best put to a system that gets you the most worth for your money.
@@Don_Akane89 Get i5 12400f if you can. 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads will give it another long run as your i7 3770 did.
Looks like it's priced really nice too. Though I'd happily pay the extra $10-$20 for integrated graphics to fall back on and for QuickSync if you do any kind of video editing/export.
Ah yeah good shout. IGPU can be a lifesaver sometimes
The catch with that seems to be that a 13400F retails for 229 euro here, whereas the 13400 retails for 269 euro. That same 40 euro is the difference between a 3050 and a 3060, which is a huge difference performance wise.
and to have an actual useable PC if your graphics card dies in the meantime, or for troubleshooting
@@fermitupoupon1754 Good point, would never try to talk anyone out of a 3060 vs 3050 because of $40 euro.
This CPU already has 12 cores. Quicksync isn't that required.
Wow you actually review this cpu first than those bigger tech you tubers
The efficiency cores are better for having background programs. Saw a video where they disabled the efficiency cores and the performance was the exact same except for some few like 2 fps dips. The efficiency cores allow much less performance loss if you like having your entire search history open while playing a game.
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Just built a build for a friend with a 12400f and 3060ti! Runs all games amazing.
Wow
Outstanding. I guess i wasn't paying attention to the beginning narrative because you had me worried there wasn't going to be a comparison, but you nailed it at the end. It would have been a missed opportunity. You knocked this one out of the park. There is a lacking of cpu scaling content at the mid to lower end Intel chips presently and this was what i've been watching for. This is one of my favorite videos of yours. I'd keep riding this pony. Bigger channels are appealing to the biased masses and seemingly only scaling the new ryzen chips with only the high end intel chips making appearances. I'm sure it's hard work because not many do much of it consistently. Regardless, good show.
Thank you :)
Thanks for testing it with a more reasonable GPU, really helps to put things into perspective.
Glad you liked it!
If I understand the launch info correctly, the 13400F is just a tweaked 12th gen. Only some of the higher SKUs are actually new. Hence, the differences vs. a 12400F are likely minimal, though beyond that I wonder just how much the gain would be from either CPU over a 10400F. Hmm, an x400F generational roundup would be interesting to see the scaling, if any, between generations, as even today the 8400 is quite popular on ebay.
Almost; the 13400 gets four E-cores.
Essentially, you get a 12400 that gets to dedicate all of its P-cores to games.
The 13400 is essentially a 12600K with lower clocks. Consequently, the 13500 is just 13600K with lower clocks, which I honestly think is a better buy for only $20-30 more.
Exactly it's a 12400 with higher base clocks, E cores (which Imo is a bad thing really unless you also do a lot of things besides gaming).
@@steph_on_yt 13500 is alder lake based, it does not have extra L2 cache that comes with raptor lake (13600k +)
@@anusmcgee4150 I meant the architecture, but yes there's changes to core counts, cache and the usual.
the performance is depressing in the US being $43 more expensive as someone wanting to upgrade from a 10100 I am 100% gonna go with the 12400/F just waiting a bit to see if the prices drop
Great review, i like that you used a budget gpu, with the settings most of us will use, and demonstrated that, the new chip, won't matter much in terms of gaming.
Using settings or gpus that nobody will pair, shows different things, but i like to see how my system will behave, and not how many frames the cpu will hit at 720p paired with a rtx 4090
This comparison is much more helpful and meaning full. You did an awesome video. Most ppl use a top tier Motherboard and ram which will not give useful info to budget gamers ... thank you
Here in Indonesia, 13500 is an Absolute Bang! Always sold out everywhere, and many Indonesian tech UA-camr always recommend it for a new builders out there. So for everyone here who wants to build a new desktop setup, i really recommend it!
2024, I have a prebuilt PC with an RTX 4060, 16 gigs DDR5, and this CPU. The CPU is literally perfect for the GPU, neither have ever noticeably bottlenecked the other, and the PC stays quiet and cool even under 100% load on both components. I want to upgrade but at the same time, I don't really have a reason too lol
the 13th gen intel chips are quite impressive, i recently upgraded from a 5800x to a i7 13700k. i know its not exactly budget but to me its a great example of how good intel is now days
I agree but i prefer to keep my r7-5800x rig cause i plan to upgrade again only when zen5/zen6 comes out on a better developed and cheaper ddr5+pcie5.0 platform in the future. I might consider going back to Intel (16th or 17th gen) who knows, whatever brand gives me the best bang for buck platform comes home with me!
I'm not an AMD fanboy, in 2020-2021 when i made my current PC my parts where the best i can afford with my budget. The only upgrade i might do it's a 599€ card that makes me play 4k@144hz maxed out without the need of upscalers. Right now i'll enjoy my rx6750xt XFX Merc Black (599€ in June2022). Only with s.a.m. + undervolt and overclock (2823mhz) i have the same performance as a stock 3070ti 😎
Games arent getting more demanding yet and i never seen my "old" hardware struggle, no need to upgrade anytime soon 😎
too small upgrade
First ever review of a processor that will be very popular for years to come ^_^
We need a 13500 review 😎
I was waiting for this video, thank you.
Hope you enjoyed it!
I am building my new Pc, finishing it after this video actually! It is a 12400f I found new for 140 USD and a b660 MSI Bazooka 145 USD. Carrying over my ram and gpu from my last build. I-5 9600k, Z370 ATX Gigabyte Board, Trident Z 3600, and an Asus Dual RTX 3060ti. This video makes me feel good about the pairing. VS the 13400f the 12400f looks to be a great value. Thank you for your hard work and appreciate the content RGINHD!
I never knew I needed the "Motherboards on mossy brick" aethstetic, but i'm glad you do it.
😁
A number of years back when I had more disposable income and was just getting into 3D rendering and occasional video work, I built an X58 based system with 6 sticks of memory, 3x water cooled GPUs and an i7 with 4 cores and 8 threads (was somewhat impressive for the time).
Since I enjoyed the tinkering aspect and was having too much fun on ebay.. I went from the i7 930 to a used Xeon X5650 for the additional cores.
Then, like a moron I thought "well if 6 cores is better than 4, how far can I push this?" and rebuilt around a Xeon e5-2692 v2, 12 cores and 24 threads.. I'd never seen so many threads in task manager and you bet it ripped through multithreaded workloads
For somewhat modern comparison, the multithread score in Cinebench was about on par with a first gen Ryzen 1700, but was released ~3.5 years earlier.
Gaming power demands have gone up significantly since then, but hobby rendering workloads not so much.. Sure you can render faster with high end stuff, but for a hobby you can just render overnight any big tasks and it's the general feel while working that matters most. For that, the 12400F is actually plenty powerful enough.
With half the core count of the old Xeon it's still 30% faster in multi core workloads and single core is an utterly insane improvement
I feel quite confident in saying the 12400F is the new Sandy Bridge.. I still have a 2500k that I threw together in a back room out of spare parts as a general office work machine but even today it's still snappy and surprisingly capable given how cheap they were when new. The 12400F is the same, remarkable performance for the price tag and likely enough to get by for many years to come.
I already have a 3080 paired with mine and will likely upgrade the GPU once more before I even consider a new CPU
I got a i5 13500 in the tray version, that way i saved about 20€. I built my new system yesterday with a Strix B660-f which also had the newest bios on it. Im very satasfied with it's performance but power consumption could be a little bit lower i think, or maybe im thinking that way because i upgraded from an i5 10400f. At first i was worrying about my AIO not fiting the LGA 1700 because its an enermax aquafusion 360mm without an actual LGA 1700 installation kit, but fortunately the more expensive and high end-like (only) asus mainboards all have like a double hole cutout for installing different kinds of coolers so that way i was able to fit my LGA 1200 bracket on that board without thermal issues.
Just assembled a budget-ish ITX build using this + a used kit of 32GB DDR5 5600m-t CL40 & a used 2070 Super that I re-pasted. So far it appears to be very good at 1080p!
Beautifully spoken and presented, sir! I thought about subscribing to you after this video, then I noticed that I was already subscribed... to a fellow Englishman! I'm planning on buying this year an ASUS Prime 660-M motherboard with the i5-13400F (with better cooler) paired with the RTX 3070 and 32 GB of 3600 MHz DD4 RAM and a 1TB M.2 SSD. 😃👍 And you are right: the 13400 is not a "budget" processor (13th Gen FFS!) but a mid-range one... unlike other UA-camrs claim!
I might buy the 13500 in the future for a production build.
Don't forget to mention that this cpu boost with the stock cooler only at 4100 MHz, which is terribly low, maybe also the cheap mobo is the root cause, but this cpu due OC3D could run at full load of P-Cores at 4600Mhz which is much better, we all await MSI B760 Max MORTAR which will have external clock grnerator and allows you to overclock non-K cpu via BCLK e.g. from 100MHz to 125MHz then we will see this cpu boosted around 5GHz at all P-Cores and that will be the real deal for us. Thanks for review!
I just got a pc with the regular 12gb 3060 and the i5 13400f, thank you for this video!
Wanna get the 13400f bit it is but is expensive, but great choice
The card tanks when nanite is on and ray trace but other than that the card performs well with the processor!!!
Dude, thank you for making these videos, always been hard for me to wrap my head around pc building testing and all the bits between. Your videos have been a crutch of comfort thank you for that!
400f series are something else.
I believe every single 13th gen intel cpu is more than enough in 2023 games
Linus seemed to point out that the non-K SKUs of the 13th gen chips got a paper launch. Your review is the only one I have seen so far
Thank you very muck mate. The 12400F is what I'll buy. Let''s hope the price goes down a little. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, and enjoy your new cpu!
Looking forward i5 13500 review!
The wind was uncooperative in that intro, repeatedly nudging the box and outing it as empty.
The I5-13400 is basically a I5-12600. I bought a 12400 for my wife's Christmas PC that we have yet to build. I don't think I'll bother returning it based on your numbers.
I'm still oh so very happy with my i5 10600k + 3060 12GB thank you very much! :)
i'd like to see your 10400 get in on this action.
its amazing that a budget cpu better then my i7 9700
its nice how budget gaming is alot more accessable now
That's not a bad little CPU at all, and if I was going for a more realistic/less extreme build, then I'd certainly consider this, as it seems to be more than adequate at pretty much anything.
Really love those garden b-rolls you do to present the hardware.
Glad you like them!
I upgraded from a 12100F to a 13400F. And it’s cool to see so many threads in task manager but I’m rocking a stock cooler and a B660 motherboard with all cpu power setting set to maximum. And well…. For me its not faster than the 12100F because it just hits the thermal and power limit immediately! So now I need to buy a new cooler asswell 🤦♂️ .
i use the old classic evo 212 black on my 12600k. works nice, and was like $21 (run it on a asus b660 with powerlimit set to 240watt)
THANK YOU! Surprised this chip isn't getting more attention for PCtube
13400f is the same price as the 12600k in my region making it DOA but that being said, x400f chips do usually drop in price quickly
This video was helpful in upgrading my roommate's PC from a 6600K to a 13400F. Not only does that old thing have 4 cores with no multithreading, but the highest memory frequency it supports is 2133. So my man's getting a pretty sizeable upgrade! The 12400F was about $20 cheaper, so it didn't make a whole lot of sense to not go for the 13 just to further future proof things by juuuuust that much. Didn't go with a K because it was about $50 more and he definitely won't need anything like that for enough time to go until the next full upgrade. CPU is still going to be more powerful than the 1080 he's got in there and when he does inevitably get a new GPU he's not the kind of guy who is going to be spending over $500 on one.
6600k to 13400f is not an upgrade , it's a sidegrade, since you have to ditch your motherboard for lga12000
I bought this a few days ago and installed it, bloody brilliant. I couldn't believe the performance improvement from using an old i5 3rd gen to upgrading to this
I've heard good things, yes. I'm personally coming from an i7 3rd gen myself & after over 10 years, I've started to feel its age in both work & games. Will personally be upgrading to a 12100F soon (got it for $85!) which should be enough for my needs, I can't wait!
@@Don_Akane89 trust man. I've also upgraded from using over 10yr old HDD to m.2 NVMe SSDs. It's insane. Unbelievable lol
@@KilliKonKarnage granted, while I've also transferred to using SATA SSDs along those years, I'll also be moving to M.2 NVMes for this upgrade, which seems to be even better.
I imagine loading/saving & copying/transferring workfiles would be extremely efficient with it, based on what I've seen.
I recommend you to test cpus with the RPCS3 emulator. A really demanding cpu program and you can see the real performance of every cpu you test. Even more with the games that aren't fully playable, like God of War 3, Red Dead Redemption and the Infamous games.
Awesome! Now i know I don't need to upgrade my 12400F
Gread video, it will be better if you could show the usage of P & E cores, so it will be clear if E cores is recognized and used properly by games
You typically don't see games allocating work to E-cores, at least not for primary game logic since those benefit from higher clockspeeds of the P-cores.
In spiderman they're used for asynchronous tasks (like shader compilation) though so they're not entirely useless in gaming either.
The H610 is probably costing this cpu a lot of performance. A decent B660 (B760) will hold the 13400 Boost clock a LOT longer/higher.
yep that board is garbage, cpu is throttling hard.
p-cores are running at 4090mhz, which is the highest a 13400 can go
i just got an i5 11400H my first ever intel pc bought it like 4 days ago gonna upgrade it today
I will be "upgrading" my Pentium G7400 to that i5 in the future. I won't be soon, as the price for that i5 13400 is a bit too high. But when it is the price of something like a i5 10400f, I will definitely get one.
Excited to see how it does in Premiere.
1440p videos are always a treat🙂
Thank you so much I was building my first gaming computer and did not know what the fan was for that was included
P.s. I was in a panic until I watched your video. Couldn't find anything online
I still feel like a "budget" gamer but my specs are beyond budget and more into high end now. Started off with budget parts so maybe that's why! Great video and review as always!
I love how down to earth you are
I'm still very happy with the performance with my 12400 I had for 149usd at MC.
Love the vengeance lpx dram, a budget classic.
The reason why i like intel because they're the only ones actually making budget products.. AMD doesn't even bother with the 3 series or even the x500 of 5 series
I still use a i7 10750h laptop with a rtx2060.
1080p ultra mode with Forza Horizon 4 with the new engine update .
Still runs the game over 117Fps and about 93fps low .
Forza is really good with using your hardware .
I will test forza 5 soon on that laptop.
would love the see the 13400 vs the 13500 since the 13500 has 8 e cores vs the 4 e cores on the 13400
what is the point of cpu testing when gpu bound? It is not 13400f test, but 13400f + 3060ti. It will be obsolete, when 4060 will come out.
GN & HuB
Shouting out all the Steves!
Just built my very first pc! I3 10300 and a rx 5600xt, I'm planning on upgrading the CPU at some point but for now it works good!
Awesome :)
@@RandomGaminginHD Did you see my comment a bit ago? I really am serious about selling my old system, if you're interested.
much thanks for the review 😍
The clock speeds were a bit odd, weren't they? Looking at skinflint, it's supposed to hit 4.6 ghz with turbo boost 2.0.
I'm not very familiar with Intel, is that something you can only enable in more expensive motherboards?
I would like an answer to this question too as i am looking at buying this combo in a couple of weeks time.
I was planning to make a build with the i5-12400f + rx 6750xt/3060ti and then I got a message from a friend the 13400f dropped. I'd say this cpu would be a worthy investment
This my extact partlist. Did want to go with a r7 5700x tho but the i5 13400f seems very attractive
@@sleepy_szn as attractive as it is, I may end up switchin build last minute, Now that i gave it some more thought, it is quite a significant part change, from 5400 to 6300 RON (I live in Romania) I was originally going for a 12400f and a b660 motherboard, But i might even go R5 5600 + B550 because I decided to go with the Rx 6750xt
First time going AMD so it will be an interesting change, also I don't care about RT so im fine with the more powerful 6750xt over the 3060ti (its actually cheaper XD)
With 10 cores in the core i5 at the non-K level, I would assume this will be what core i5 is going forward. Ryzen 5 is going to have to get their IPC up to compete, it's going to be a bloodbath.
E-cores.. Helpful sometimes, yes. Real cores.. no.
@@peterpan408 Define "real cores". E-cores are pretty real to me since I can physically touch them 😛
Great vid!!!
An interesting note about the 13400 and 13500, the 13400 is an ADL chip while the 13500 is RPL, aside from the clock/ecore differences I wonder how performance changes along with the slight tweaks that come with RPL (namely improved ecore/ring behavior and a stronger IMC)
All chips below i5-13600k are ADL ...
In next video I would like to see Power Usage, because 12400f was super efficient chip for gaming and daily use.
The 12400F was already good and this is even better
I'll be honest, if I were building a new system right now, I'd probably just get a b550 and 5600g. Call it a day. For me it would be about $60 or so cheaper to go that route.
I see nothing wrong with the 13400f, if the price dropped to some extent then it would give it more value as an option.
you could just get a 12400f. pair it with a b660 or h670 mobo.
there are some great deals on 12400f + mobo atm. Defo would get one of those.
Your budget orientated mentality has been slowly rubbing off on me this last year, I spent £80 on an i5 10400f from CEX, £95 on a MSI z490i ITX from ebay and £50 on 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 3200 new. I just need to find a bargain GPU upgrade for my GTX 980 now, I've had it since 2014, but it's served me well with an i7 3770 all those years.
I could have afforded to build new, but I'm tight af and love a bargain mate.
I still feel very good about my 12400F, and I have it matched with a 3060, so a 13400F wouldn't offer too much more. I'm sure the single core performance seems a bit better though.
The 12400f is still a beast indeed
@@RandomGaminginHD if i wanna build a new setup, i can take 12400f?or would be better pay in addition to 13400f?
hello guys, i have the same cpu and im wondering why my CPU doesnt reach its max clock as in the spec sheet (4.6ghz) its always locked at 4 , is there any way to get more speed please ?
I have i7 12700f and i9 12900k and adjusting pl1 and pl2 was the thing in performance and turbo boost,my brother asked intel about pl1 and pl2 bcs he has a lab of testing psu's,cpu's,gpu's they told him its not out of the specs to adjust the pl1 and pl2,but more voltage on 13/14 gen is bad,so just adjusting the pl1 and pl2 isnt the problem,so you can set the pl1 and pl2 to 148 [for your cpu] and you will have turbo boost forever in high load tasks... like gaming and productivity. That wont downgrade the cpu..the problem was not the power limits with 13/14th gen it was the voltage...so be safe to adjust your pl1 and pl2 to your cooling solutions
@@ZeleniKamion hello, as im not experienced with what you said and dont know its meaning, do you have a guide or a video i can follow please ?
Anyone buying in the I5 category of processors is probably fine with 60 fps at 1080p because that's what their monitor supports.
My man Steve never takes suggestions. Cinebench R23 mate !! Please
Is this better than Ryzen 7 5700X? For gaming and editing
I'd like to see reviewers start to give an average GPU % usage and 1% low GPU usage instead of raw FPS. The job of the CPU is to feed the GPU to keep it at 98%+ usage. If it drops it means the engine is trash or the CPU is too weak. Reviewing like that would also educate people on the role of a CPU. When i have FPS issues i look at my GPU usage to see if it is normal behavior.
In the past we could buy an I5 with about 150$ and it was capable of doing everything back in the days. Now we have to pay over 200$ for a good CPU. Not only that, but even the I3 used to make sense at about 100$ in the I3-8100 days... Since then it remained 4 cores only. The I3 13100 should have at least 2 E cores, but they want ot bad. They want it not to make sense. Prices are going up and up and this is not good
Is the motherboard the reason for the low 4.1 GHz clock speed? The CPU is supposed to boost to 4.6 GHz on all cores, but that must be without the 65 W power limit.
Anyway, in Poland, the 12400F costs about $143, the 13400F costs about $203. Gigantic difference for very little gain.
The entire 13th gen locked i5 line-up is a rehash of Alder Lake. The 13400F is literally a 12600K (identical core count and cache), but with lower clocks.
13400 all core boost is, and always was, 4.1 GHz. Same for 12400 where all core boost is always 4.0 GHz.
@@vlad54rus-a But that cannot be true on motherboards with a Z chipset. I am certain you can set the highest single-core boost multiplier for all cores. At least that used to be the case with older CPUs.
I guess B and H chipsets do not allow that, since it is kind of like overclocking.
@@THU31 The last gen where this was possible is Haswell. Modern non-K CPUs don't allow this anymore.
@@vlad54rus-a Wow, that is terrible, especially compared to the Ryzen 7600, which boosts to ~5 GHz on all cores and you can overclock it.
Thanks for the info, I will make sure to stay away from locked Intel CPUs.
You should mention what operating system you use since windows 11 was made with Intel in mind. I don't think Linux or windows 10 can leverage the different core frequencies of the performance and efficiency cores, and would more than likely slow the system compared to previous gen CPU's.
Thank god Intel is bringing more cores to their budget CPUs. AMD is asking $300 for a 6-core 7600x. Intel is giving you 10 cores for $200. 13th gen also works on very cheap B660 and z690 (as well as the new 700 series boards) which are considerably cheaper than AMD's AM5 boards, which start at $200+. Also the fact that 12th and 13th gen offer DDR4 and DDR5 support, while AMD is forcing DDR5, makes that another area going with Intel can save you more money.
E-cores.. 😉
Why do you use h610 motherboard? I bought a new pc (from i3 2310m and GeForce 410m to i3 12100f and RX 6500 XT) and did some research on the differences between b660 and h610 motherboards and discovered that h610 doesn't support dual channel memory.
You got false info. H610 has dual channel but only 2 DIMM slots.
bro, im still gaming on a i5 4690K OC to 4.5GHz paired with a 1060 6GB. looking to get this CPU next upgrade
Cool video idea would be to see if DDR5 matters on budget hardware or if it's worth it
HOW MANY TIMES do you require that to be done? It is a moving target as DDR5 gets slowly cheaper and faster. I still do not see the extra money worthwhile but i do know that changes with every week that go's past
1:33 how much faster? I use davinci, and I would love to see a lineup of good, mid range, normal systems and do speed tests side by side. That's why I get frustrated with people like Linus and Jay, while their content is good, perhaps even excellent, the focus too much on super high end stuff, or really rare bits of tech, and, I love that, but I also can't relate. That's why RGHD is my go to "daily driver" channel. You produce excellent and *RELATABLE* content.
MSI H610M is a budget Motherboard, but trust me it can handle Core i5 12400F very well without dropping the performance.
TestingGames channel did the same comparison i5 13400f vs i5 12400f but he has 10-20 difference. He is using rtx 4090 at 1080p, do you think that is possible adding better gpu than rtx 3060 ti?