Edit: when I was updating the Astra tier list, Thórr snuck into T-4. She should be at the top of T-1. Hey! I'm at a family reunion, but had to sneak away to look at this monstrosity. My apologies for the lower. quality. There were a few things that worked better than expected, but a few things that didn't. I also couldn't pack a lighting rig, so no facecam this time. Happy thanksgiving to all our US folks, and I hope the rest of you are enjoying your weeks!
could you PLEASE do an intermediate / returning / casual FEH player´s guide for the end of 2024 / beginning of 2025? There is NOTHING on the whole youtube covering this. All I see are videos of people quitting this game or analysis for established players.
Really glad to see Tree Dad; I was waiting for his release! He looks pretty good and definitely scary, but why did they make him dark mythic when there's Embla and Loki, who cancels positive stats? I get it; if they made him anima, the defence would be more insufferable than it already is, but they could easily change his effect to be negative. That way he can at least be run with Embla. His prf b is honestly good but a bit underwhelming, like how an inheritable shield fighter is better than a prf. Kinda funny, but it's still pretty good. I wish they at least gave him the Slvanni shield to help with tanking more so he would be immune to armour effectiveness and more tanky. Regardless, he's still terrifying and will reign chaos, especially in summoner duels. 😭 Also, they really do hate Hræsvelgr. They updated Nidhoggr's weapon but not hers, who we fought literally way earlier than her in chapter 3. It makes no sense. :'( Also I noticed that Nidhog was supposed to be a defence mythic; if you look at her weapon effects in the story, it's more enemy phase-oriented, b but they changed it now to offence, so they make Laerded Dark last minute. Anyways, I'm probably going to go for Laerded, as I really like his design and him as a villain, so I'm probably going for him, although I really despise the share.
Tree dude is going to be used on all seasons, not just dark. We have seen this countless times in the past from legendary Sigurd, to embla, medeus, and recently Heidrun. Players don't care if the mythic/legendary is out of season, if the effects are broken enough the unit will be added to a defense team. It's not just saves that this stupid effect hits either, those Omni tanks (typically older or f2p options) that rely on BoL to counter things like emblem Sigurd, brave Felix or ninja Lucina, now cannot use that skill because any ally within 2 spaces will tank the hit instead of the Omni tank. It's completely broken and never should have been added to the game. I don't think a "LSigurd fix" (AR structure) will fix this either, the mechanic of the effect itself is just too broken and is immune to power creep... Intsys really messed up by not limiting the effect to only work under player control (like Leif's galeforce). Oh and those player phase enjoyers celebrating this units release, he comes with inheritable warp bubble, so I hope you weren't relying on warping to player phase blocked off defense teams, because he counters that too.
To give an idea of how broken this forced save effect is, imagine if at the start of turn your player phase units were given an unpurgeable buff that forced to that unit to attack your own units before they could attack the enemy team. That's how broken and stupid tree dudes forced save effect is.
I agree 100% ! This unit make pre-BoL4 Lyon look like a fair unit in comparaison... This unit gonna create way too much chaos. With shield fighter that restrict player phase the invested ard gonna be a pain... Especially with Sigurd and Felix... D: I guess you can tie your support defense to counter it at least ? I'm tempted to pull for him and use him on ARO against people who use him in ARD to make people taste their own poison lol
@@turtle-bot3049I feel like you are exaggerating how big of a problem he will be. You know what to expect in dark season and can work around it. You just need a bulky unit with lower defense. Peony unmerged can reach 33 defense if you invest in it and if she has merges (She has been around long enough that even F2P players could have a good amount) she can hit up to 39 at +10 (without emblem merges or an Aid) meaning she won't be a liability. I personally just plan to use Hraesvelgr as my lowest defense unit since she is fairly bulky even with lower defense (33 with a bane). There are plenty of ways to work around this effect, it just makes you think more.
@hanzou1238 and you (and almost everyone else) are underselling just how big of an issue he will be... It's the same thing every time a Dev creates something that breaks fundament aspects of the game (for any game).... "Oh it will be fine", "just work around it", "your overstating the problem" etc, etc, yet 1 month later there's nothing but "this thing is so broken, why did they make this", "[insert dev/company here] must give us a hard counter now". As for your peony example, that 39 defense with zero DR, no shield fighter, no laguz friend, no BoL (or halved BoL at best) is totally going to save peony who's forced to save your tank from an unmerged base kit ninja Lucina (or brave bernie) when most tanks/saves/frontline units have bare minimum 40 visible defense currently (even the speedy ones). At best all that investment will do is shift the problem down to the next support unit, so you then have to whale that next support units defense, then the next one and the next one by which point your supports are no longer supporting so why bring them at all? Don't forget, this is just 1 matchup, AR will have minimum 2/3 of the following, Sigurd (AoE), Felix (multi action), Lucina (ranged brave debuffer), all of which will be running at you turn 1 and all of which require the latest tanks with insane DR, secondary effects and support, to even consider tanking those 3, all of which also have unmatched movement/reach. I've also heard your same excuses before, multiple times. If legendary/mythics with such broken effects to see them ran off season were so easy to "work around" why did Intsys have to introduce stuff like safety fence to directly counter them, shouldn't players have just worked around it? What you've failed to understand is that effects like this are just not healthy for the game. It's not just a case of "think more", effects like this break the fundamentals of the game. Besides, tanking already required more thought than player phasing due to how overpowered nukes/galeforce have gotten combined with how many free actions player phase units get now. Embla already ensured you had to position correctly and play "with thought" to work around her anti-save and feud effects, tree dudes effect is map wide and spreads (removes intelligent positioning as a skillful counter), there is no skillful counter, it is literally, smite your tank in, pray they can tank everything without any 2 range support and have anti-warping + a choke point you can use to prevent backline snipes (and pray no emblem Celica or pass unit who ignores all anti warping). That's not skilled or thoughtful play, that's just you better whale for the latest broken new tank that makes shield fighter look like a trash skill.
@@turtle-bot3049 You are still making the problem worse than it is. I wasn't saying Peony has that defense to tank, it was to prevent her from getting Assign Decoy. A base kit Brave Bernadetta with zero investment and neutral IV kills Ninja Lucina if Assign Decoy is put on her, and Hraesvelgr survives and kills Brave Felix if she has it. It isn't very hard with how many effects we have to pull this off. Bernadetta also makes it easier for other melee units to survive as well. A Legendary F Corrin with only inheriting Atk/SPD Bond 3 can survive and kill Felix and Sigurd with 20 Dragon Flowers, no merges or whaling necessary. In this set up Corrin and Brave Bernadetta are your saves and both survive because of Paranoia. There is also the option to have Felix just run in and kill the guy before his effect goes off. Felix with an AOE can kill most saves and get to him.
I had a funny thought of giving barricade to bride nailah. She's infantry so she can use spike wall and barricade, she has +1 move, canto and isn't slowed by terrain. She can run one of the Dr beast specials because she has piercing in her weapon on specials (also its beast/dragons only but at this point you probably know that)
Great skills overall but mythic armor sucks due to the fact you can't stat stack them. This is coming from someone who has a +7 Fomortis. Thank god for shield fighter because I don't have a use for him if not for it.
How do you even play against him? No save and no warping (reduced galeforce potential). I guess you could omnitank but with your support really far away so they don't get killed by assign decoy... Moreover you need to stop warping, survive Felix and Sigurd and kill them or they wreck your team. Fun times... Why are defense mythics the most obnoxious?
I think you hit it on the head with “obnoxious” We’ll have to see how bulky he is. Since he’ll usually be on the frontline, you’ll have to target him early. For omnitanks, it’s the low defense units that you’ll have to isolate. All of this is doable, but it’s one more piece of complexity creep that is making the game harder to understand.
HE'S DARK! THEY DOUBLED DOWN ON DARK SEASON! JUST RUN YOUR SAVES IN ASTRA/ANIMA! PS: WHY DID THEY CHANGE NIDHOGGR WEAPON AND WHERE IS YOURR FACE MY GUY?
They added abit more effects for Nidhoggr but didn't bother to do it with Hræsvelgr who literally appeared in chapter 3 and still have that same weapon. 😭
Laeraðr is very annoying, counter savior in this meta shield fighter and omnitank who need get buff from ally within 2 space. Bye Shield Fighter, bye Support in Dark season 😂
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Edit: when I was updating the Astra tier list, Thórr snuck into T-4. She should be at the top of T-1.
Hey! I'm at a family reunion, but had to sneak away to look at this monstrosity. My apologies for the lower. quality. There were a few things that worked better than expected, but a few things that didn't. I also couldn't pack a lighting rig, so no facecam this time.
Happy thanksgiving to all our US folks, and I hope the rest of you are enjoying your weeks!
you're always my go to channel for banner analysis, thanks for doing this on holidays 😁👍
could you PLEASE do an intermediate / returning / casual FEH player´s guide for the end of 2024 / beginning of 2025?
There is NOTHING on the whole youtube covering this. All I see are videos of people quitting this game or analysis for established players.
Happy Thanksgiving Joel!!
Joel pulling out the best Kellam cosplay ever just to review the final banner of book 8, such dedication 👏
Fehology ain't the same without Joel.
It's really nice to see the excitement in his face when talking about FEH
10:45 barricade is inheritable to all beasts and dragons only
they uploaded the inherit restrictions on twitter
This was from before the final cutscene of the book, when Nidhogger was still in darkness.
Background kinda dark this time around
Really glad to see Tree Dad; I was waiting for his release!
He looks pretty good and definitely scary, but why did they make him dark mythic when there's Embla and Loki, who cancels positive stats? I get it; if they made him anima, the defence would be more insufferable than it already is, but they could easily change his effect to be negative. That way he can at least be run with Embla.
His prf b is honestly good but a bit underwhelming, like how an inheritable shield fighter is better than a prf. Kinda funny, but it's still pretty good. I wish they at least gave him the Slvanni shield to help with tanking more so he would be immune to armour effectiveness and more tanky.
Regardless, he's still terrifying and will reign chaos, especially in summoner duels. 😭
Also, they really do hate Hræsvelgr. They updated Nidhoggr's weapon but not hers, who we fought literally way earlier than her in chapter 3. It makes no sense. :'(
Also I noticed that Nidhog was supposed to be a defence mythic; if you look at her weapon effects in the story, it's more enemy phase-oriented, b but they changed it now to offence, so they make Laerded Dark last minute.
Anyways, I'm probably going to go for Laerded, as I really like his design and him as a villain, so I'm probably going for him, although I really despise the share.
Tree dude is going to be used on all seasons, not just dark.
We have seen this countless times in the past from legendary Sigurd, to embla, medeus, and recently Heidrun. Players don't care if the mythic/legendary is out of season, if the effects are broken enough the unit will be added to a defense team.
It's not just saves that this stupid effect hits either, those Omni tanks (typically older or f2p options) that rely on BoL to counter things like emblem Sigurd, brave Felix or ninja Lucina, now cannot use that skill because any ally within 2 spaces will tank the hit instead of the Omni tank. It's completely broken and never should have been added to the game. I don't think a "LSigurd fix" (AR structure) will fix this either, the mechanic of the effect itself is just too broken and is immune to power creep... Intsys really messed up by not limiting the effect to only work under player control (like Leif's galeforce).
Oh and those player phase enjoyers celebrating this units release, he comes with inheritable warp bubble, so I hope you weren't relying on warping to player phase blocked off defense teams, because he counters that too.
To give an idea of how broken this forced save effect is, imagine if at the start of turn your player phase units were given an unpurgeable buff that forced to that unit to attack your own units before they could attack the enemy team. That's how broken and stupid tree dudes forced save effect is.
I agree 100% ! This unit make pre-BoL4 Lyon look like a fair unit in comparaison... This unit gonna create way too much chaos. With shield fighter that restrict player phase the invested ard gonna be a pain... Especially with Sigurd and Felix... D:
I guess you can tie your support defense to counter it at least ?
I'm tempted to pull for him and use him on ARO against people who use him in ARD to make people taste their own poison lol
@@turtle-bot3049I feel like you are exaggerating how big of a problem he will be. You know what to expect in dark season and can work around it. You just need a bulky unit with lower defense.
Peony unmerged can reach 33 defense if you invest in it and if she has merges (She has been around long enough that even F2P players could have a good amount) she can hit up to 39 at +10 (without emblem merges or an Aid) meaning she won't be a liability. I personally just plan to use Hraesvelgr as my lowest defense unit since she is fairly bulky even with lower defense (33 with a bane). There are plenty of ways to work around this effect, it just makes you think more.
@hanzou1238 and you (and almost everyone else) are underselling just how big of an issue he will be... It's the same thing every time a Dev creates something that breaks fundament aspects of the game (for any game).... "Oh it will be fine", "just work around it", "your overstating the problem" etc, etc, yet 1 month later there's nothing but "this thing is so broken, why did they make this", "[insert dev/company here] must give us a hard counter now".
As for your peony example, that 39 defense with zero DR, no shield fighter, no laguz friend, no BoL (or halved BoL at best) is totally going to save peony who's forced to save your tank from an unmerged base kit ninja Lucina (or brave bernie) when most tanks/saves/frontline units have bare minimum 40 visible defense currently (even the speedy ones). At best all that investment will do is shift the problem down to the next support unit, so you then have to whale that next support units defense, then the next one and the next one by which point your supports are no longer supporting so why bring them at all?
Don't forget, this is just 1 matchup, AR will have minimum 2/3 of the following, Sigurd (AoE), Felix (multi action), Lucina (ranged brave debuffer), all of which will be running at you turn 1 and all of which require the latest tanks with insane DR, secondary effects and support, to even consider tanking those 3, all of which also have unmatched movement/reach.
I've also heard your same excuses before, multiple times. If legendary/mythics with such broken effects to see them ran off season were so easy to "work around" why did Intsys have to introduce stuff like safety fence to directly counter them, shouldn't players have just worked around it?
What you've failed to understand is that effects like this are just not healthy for the game. It's not just a case of "think more", effects like this break the fundamentals of the game.
Besides, tanking already required more thought than player phasing due to how overpowered nukes/galeforce have gotten combined with how many free actions player phase units get now. Embla already ensured you had to position correctly and play "with thought" to work around her anti-save and feud effects, tree dudes effect is map wide and spreads (removes intelligent positioning as a skillful counter), there is no skillful counter, it is literally, smite your tank in, pray they can tank everything without any 2 range support and have anti-warping + a choke point you can use to prevent backline snipes (and pray no emblem Celica or pass unit who ignores all anti warping). That's not skilled or thoughtful play, that's just you better whale for the latest broken new tank that makes shield fighter look like a trash skill.
@@turtle-bot3049 You are still making the problem worse than it is. I wasn't saying Peony has that defense to tank, it was to prevent her from getting Assign Decoy. A base kit Brave Bernadetta with zero investment and neutral IV kills Ninja Lucina if Assign Decoy is put on her, and Hraesvelgr survives and kills Brave Felix if she has it. It isn't very hard with how many effects we have to pull this off. Bernadetta also makes it easier for other melee units to survive as well. A Legendary F Corrin with only inheriting Atk/SPD Bond 3 can survive and kill Felix and Sigurd with 20 Dragon Flowers, no merges or whaling necessary. In this set up Corrin and Brave Bernadetta are your saves and both survive because of Paranoia.
There is also the option to have Felix just run in and kill the guy before his effect goes off. Felix with an AOE can kill most saves and get to him.
how did thorr fall back down to t4 astra in just one month 💀
He said it was a mistake lol
I can’t wait to pair Nidhoggr with Brave Bernie, making her a near save. And I might throw Ice Felicia to give Bernie NCD
PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR DOSAGE 10 HP HEAL AFTER COMBAT PLEASE
It's a shame Laeradr doesn't have a better share. Sothe is decent but a second Rearmed or Attuned wouldve been better.
Face reveal at 10k?
Does he know?
I had a funny thought of giving barricade to bride nailah. She's infantry so she can use spike wall and barricade, she has +1 move, canto and isn't slowed by terrain.
She can run one of the Dr beast specials because she has piercing in her weapon on specials (also its beast/dragons only but at this point you probably know that)
Great skills overall but mythic armor sucks due to the fact you can't stat stack them. This is coming from someone who has a +7 Fomortis. Thank god for shield fighter because I don't have a use for him if not for it.
Barricade is dragons & beasts only
How do you even play against him? No save and no warping (reduced galeforce potential). I guess you could omnitank but with your support really far away so they don't get killed by assign decoy... Moreover you need to stop warping, survive Felix and Sigurd and kill them or they wreck your team. Fun times... Why are defense mythics the most obnoxious?
I think you hit it on the head with “obnoxious”
We’ll have to see how bulky he is. Since he’ll usually be on the frontline, you’ll have to target him early.
For omnitanks, it’s the low defense units that you’ll have to isolate. All of this is doable, but it’s one more piece of complexity creep that is making the game harder to understand.
@FEH Thanks! Looking forward to your video on how to deal with him
Having multiple units with the lowest defense can also help
HE'S DARK! THEY DOUBLED DOWN ON DARK SEASON! JUST RUN YOUR SAVES IN ASTRA/ANIMA!
PS: WHY DID THEY CHANGE NIDHOGGR WEAPON AND WHERE IS YOURR FACE MY GUY?
They added abit more effects for Nidhoggr but didn't bother to do it with Hræsvelgr who literally appeared in chapter 3 and still have that same weapon. 😭
Summer Nidhogger will break the game
New year*
it's gonna be the year of the snake.
Remove the "dho" from her name and she will definitely break the game for causing an outcry of crybabies.
I feel like Thor needs to get bummed up on that Astra Tier list she's at least Reginn level after refine
It was a mistake. He ranked her Top of Tier 1. I see her as tier Zero.
@Uniacoty oh cool I just saw the pinned post
What do you mean "Dark Heiðrun?" Heiðrun is dark Heiðrun...
I always find Nidhoggr annoying on defense especially when she transforms... Really hard to kill unless you have Brave Alfonse Kingmaker buffs..
Laeraðr is very annoying, counter savior in this meta shield fighter and omnitank who need get buff from ally within 2 space. Bye Shield Fighter, bye Support in Dark season 😂
Infantry Emblem FTL