Is Buying A Used BMW (F06 M6) A Bad Idea?
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2023
- This video turned into a bit more of a rant than I had originally anticipated, but I hope I got my general point across. There is a LOT of information on forums, comments sections, social media about owning pre owned BMW's (and German cars in general) that is explicitly negative. As someone who is extremely passionate about these types of cars, I wanted to share my perspective of how I continue to justify making these purchases and why I encourage other people to do so as well when they are of the financial means.
I am still getting the hang of being in front of the camera again, so I apologize for a few of my grammatical mistakes as well as a few of my over exaggerations where I went a bit off script, lol. I prefer speaking off the top of my head because it is more authentic, but I will often overexaggerate things if I don't specifically prepare facts beforehand.
Note: Thank you guys SO MUCH for blowing up my first M6 video. I have now become partnered on UA-cam (again) because that video allowed me to hit the qualifications I needed. I am going to do my best to continue creating content centered around my passion as a car enthusiast. If there are any specific videos you guys would like to see, feel free to let me know in the comments.
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Dude I want a that gen m6 so bad. These are so slept on
It’s an awesome car! I hope you get to experience owning one soon
@@EthanYorkeindeed I will
I like your straight forward no nonsense approach just subscribed! I’ve been eyeing the gran coupe M6 as well 👀 lol
Love the content, keep up the videos
bro is passionate
Your spec is soooo nice, I love it. Wish I could find one with less than 40k miles with that interior
I'm going for a 650i and maybe trade up for an M6 when I live somewhere without winter. Planning in 4k in preventative maintenence and then 2k annually is getting set aside just in case. Still need to do more research on common issues but at least I know the common ones. Great advice and enjoy your beautiful M6!!
great breakdown, thanks
I'm late to the party but your insight is GREATLY appreciated. Liked and subscribed.
I like this guy lol. Keep it up bro
As someone who actually works at Subaru but drives an M3 your comments on the crosstrek/reliability is spot on 😂
I baby the hell outta my 640i gran coupe love the car just bought some wheels I can’t wait to install them
GREAT 👍🏾 Point!!! Youngman
Thanks for the education
You are so right! I bought my wife one, now I’m about to get one. The driving experience alone is worth it!!
well said..those cost double as you mentioned used in europe
Finally someone that knows what they are talking about. My garage is filled with the most “unreliable” BMW’s and VW’s and they are the best cars ive ever owned. I work less on them then I do on my relatives Japanese cars and yes that includes Honda
This is my next purchase for sure, once I come to terms with selling my e28 or my e34 I’m gonna need one of these next to my m3
Very good!
Thank you Ray!!
Like ur videos bro. I recently bought a 2016 m5 competition. Only reason I bought it is because it was a 2 owner car. And under the second owner the engine developed a bottom end knock. Most likely it bent a rod. So bmw replaced the engine under warranty since car was stock. So the car when I bought it had 58k miles on it engine was replaced at 33k miles. That was the selling point for me. Cuz the s63 it’s now if ur engine will blow by bending a rod or spinning a rod bearing it’s when.
The thing your not mentioning and that’s a bigger issue then rod bearings wearing out which was a bigger issue on the e60 m5 and e90 m3
The bigger issue on the s63 is rods bending due to the massive amounts of low end tq.
Second biggest issue is injector failure they get stuck open and dump fuel and thin out oil and metal in natal contact happens and boom.
But I got my 2016 m5 58k miles only mod was kw has suspension and spacers. With basically a 27k mile engine. For 39k. That’s a steal. Full leather interior loaded
That’s a fair point, although I’m almost certain the injector issue was addressed for 2015 and newer S63 cars. I’ve heard a few stories of people bending rods, but most of them are highly tuned pushing big power, often racing as well. Meanwhile, there are forum posts all over the place about even stock S63TU’s spinning rod bearings. Every car is different, the point is to understand your car’s weaknesses and do what you can do prevent issues from happening before they happen 😃 Enjoy your car!!! Sounds like you got a great deal
@@EthanYorke yes the 2015 2016 model year they didn’t upgrade the injectors from EU5to EU6 I believe. But even with that I am in a Instagram group chat with a load of MFMC owners, and they even talk about the updated injectors still failing. And even stock cars bens rods. But I agree with you. Spun rod bearings is definitely a big concern. I run 5 W-40 oil and I do oil changes every 2000 miles. It’s cheap preventative maintenance to always have fresh oil to lubricate the bearings properly.
@BulletsGarage I’m currently doing my oil changes every 4,000 miles, sending off a sample every time I do it. So far everything has appeared well, the engine looked incredibly clean when I got the car inspected, I suspect my engine may have been replaced as well at some point considering the car has 75,000 miles
@@EthanYorke I doubt it if your previous sellers previous owners never mentioned it was replaced. They probably wasn’t that’s something that should be documented and in the history.
How’s it drive but? The f06 is one of my favourite modern bmws in the looks category but does it handle well or is it a bit boatish? What’s the weight balance like? I enjoy going fast on twisty B roads but it doesn’t seem like the ideal environment for a 6 series lol but I’ve never driven one so idk just curious
It’s definitely not an F80 or an M2. It very much prefers the freeway, but it’s not un driveable on back roads as long as they aren’t extremely tight. The weight balance is excellent making it extremely easy to correct when it steps out, but it’s got a lot of low end torque so you’ll need to be really careful on throttle. In my opinion, the car is the most entertaining and shocking above 100mph on a straight. The way the power never stops pulling is unreal
What do you do for a living, if you don’t mind me asking? Is automotive photography your primarily source of income?
I currently co-own a Photo/Video company that works primarily with real estate agents and small business owners. I am also a licensed real estate agent in California. My primary source of income changes month to month as sometimes one “job” does well while the other does not 😃
I think the m6 coupe is one of the most beautiful cars ever made. What about this? When I go to bmw warranty on a 2015 m6 it says a 7 year or 70k mile warranty is a little over 4k dollars. I would have to look into exactly what this entails and the details but if that’s the case why couldn’t I just buy a 45k m6 and buy the warranty on top of it and forget about it. Have you ever looked into warranty’s or does the whole fix it look after it yourself thing just make more sense to you?
I personally don’t like warranties because then you have to be selective with what modifications you add to the car. If you don’t want a tune or make the car fairly loud, that warranty sounds like an excellent deal! You will definitely spend more than $4,000 on repairs over 7 years, lol
@@EthanYorke yeah, I would like to keep it stock, the car is enough for me. Maybe that’s a route I should look into. It’s between this and a zl1. I can’t get over how beautiful the m6 is
@areject17 the ZL1 would definitely be the better overall performer, but the M6 would be dramatically nicer to sit in and drive every day. Visibility in the ZL1 is also not wonderful
Im also deciding between a zl1 and m6 both are mad nice. But I think if you plan on using it as a daily the m6 would be the better option as long as you address the rod bearing issue. If not then I think the zl1 would be a better weekend car @@areject17
I’m on my 6th bmw,
E34 m5
E36 m3 vert
E39 m5
E85 z4m
F22 m235i
F25 xdrive3.5i
Only 1 was a lemon 🍋 and I used to abuse it like crazy.
But every bmw I’ve owned has given me 250k miles if not more.
The m5 almost hit e34 500k
How was your experience with the E39? I LOVE those cars but frequently get pushed towards a 540i instead of an M5 because of “reliability concerns”
@@EthanYorke the e39 was amazing the usual issues tho. Proper maintenance same as the e46 m3 it will last a very long time. Water pump thermostat fan clutch and if you have the money in advance so the rod bearings also. They can take a beating and reliable. The only lemon I had was my e85 z4m it was a terrible smg and the engine gave out at like 117k . But also my own fault I was 18-19 abusing it without proper care. My own fault.
The Porsche slander is actually so funny 😂
I actually do appreciate Porsche, I just don’t think they hold a candle to BMW’s lineup. The 911 and Cayman are excellent cars, but they’re an extremely limited use case compared to almost every model BMW has made. BMW gives you the most performance in a package you can use everyday, Porsche gives you the most performance overall, but with compromises
@@EthanYorke 😂😂😂
all of mine with fsh and 100k at time of purchase cost me about 700 pounds a year on parts and i do labour myself
Do you have an email oR social media i can reach you? Was wondering if you have any ideas on how to sell an M6. Love you m6 vids, thanks!
Would you recommend the m6 convertible used out of warranty ?
All the same logic applies to the convertible, except you'll need to budget another $2,000 - $3,000 to fix the soft top when it stops working. There is another UA-camr out there somewhere who had that issue and documented the cost and process pretty extensively. If that extra amount, on top of what may be needed for preventative maintenance like rods and rod bearings, isn't an issue for you, I say go for it! If you can deal with the way the vert looks, its an even better value than the Coupe and Gran Coupe
Absolutely buy it. I have one no issues at all. Just treat it well regular maintance you will be fine. Soft top hardly has issues, the hard top on my E93 has a few small issues but nothing to break the bank.
The f90 m5 is also in that price range.
If you stay out of it you won't burn oil. Soon as you start banging on it just add a quart.
Any probs outside of the combustion chamber: is ok. smol scratch on wallet.
Any probs inside of the combustion chamber: is not ok. wallet goes boom boom, bank says bye bye.
Coming from a lexus owner, Your knowledge and research previous to buying the car is a bigger factor in your reliability experience, I simply bought my car thinking oh toyota=reliable, I've spent $8k in maintenance and repair over a 3 year ownership. Is this also an excuse for me to buy an m6? Yes sir if I'm gonna deal with expensive repairs I might as well have fun, but I will also do more research and have the car checkout.
This was exactly my point of the video. Any car, regardless of country of origin, is capable of being a financial headache. I'm sorry you're having issues with the Lexus, that is certainly not something I'm sure you were expecting. I hope you find a well looked after M6, and if not, the Lexus seems to have prepared you for about what a problematic M6 would cost you outside of any catastrophic issues (blown engine), so at least you have some experience. Feel free to reach out to me on Instagram (bmwsupremacist) if you have any questions about a particular car
I have to disagree on model 3 performance, I had modded f30 335i, model 3 handles better, faster, better tech, it’s not boring car, plus saves me thousands on fuel and maintenance. I definitely miss the sound of the inline six, but being afraid of something breaking every time I step on it, I definitely don’t miss.
To each their own. My 328D regularly out handles my dad’s Model 3 Performance so I’m surprised to hear your take on that. Excellent car for daily driving but I’ll never own one
@@EthanYorke I do agree on German cars depreciation can be a great bargain for used cars, I like our x5 and q7 for family haulers, after 4-5 years they are 50% off retail price.
Why the M6 over the M5?
I prefer the interior layout of the M6, the way the dash “swoops” to the right of the infotainment is really attractive to me. The M5 also blends in very well but I think the M6 has a very elegant, almost Aston Martin type shape
BMW owners can't even be bothered to use turn signals. What makes people think they're going to maintain their car? Buy what you want to buy and get an extended warranty if you're that worried.
What’s wrong by doing oil change at 10K miles?
These cars have oil consumption issues, aka they burn off oil in between oil changes. The longer you go between oil changes, the less oil you’re leaving in the engine which can lead to metal on metal contact: the leading cause of catastrophic engine failure
@@EthanYorke dip stick oil checked in a while and if needed just add oil I’d say.
@@mihaigiurca4610 these cars don’t have dipsticks
But the oil can be checked via the computer. Adding oil can definitely be an option but it’s better to just change it every 3,000-4,000 miles to be safe
Every 10k miles for an oil change so they know they break down after the warranty period and can make more money off repairs 🤷♂️
buying a bmw is always a bad idea ;) but they're nice
😂
Tú no puedes comprar un bmw, por eso criticas la marca 🤣🤣
@XXST3PHENXX, you’re poor and its okay…just don’t flow with the lot
I’m buying an E39 M5 in two weeks so so not really a bad idea is it 😂
Life is short, why live with boring cars
There’s a few comparable German cars at the used price point.
It doesn’t invalidate the message, $2-6000 of initial maintenance can make most German car of that era reliable.
What would you consider to be comparable at that price? I’m not being antagonistic, genuinely curious. I’m sure there are probably some AMG Models in that range, shoot maybe even some higher mileage Bentley’s
Audi D4 S8+, Audi c7 RS7, AMG 63, M550/M650, Audi S6/S7.
I want to say Bentley and Porsches in the same class but they have some unique engineering choices at times.
My f10 m5 is verrryyyy reliable no issues at all
Heard the first 2 and it’s 🧢.
BMW’s have electrical issues and tend to always have little things break REGARDLESS of how you care for them. And, because they are German those little things are expensive and the way the vehicles are engineered you need a “good” mechanic.
I love when people call cap but put absolutely zero effort in to prove their point. I currently own 3 BMWs and have had 2 others before this, 3 over 100,000 miles, and am notorious for not taking care of my things. Despite this, none of them have/had any electrical issues at all. You’re literally just blabbing talking points you most likely heard from the 9th owner of an unserviced 7 series that doesn’t understand how their “$10,000 car” can be so problematic. My E36 is just as simple and straightforward to work on as my old Mazda/Mazdaspeed Protégé’s, my wagon is just as easy to work on as my old Focus ST. BMWs, like literally any other car except a Subaru product, run fine and for quite some time without issue if taken care of properly. Their reputation of unreliability has way more to do with irresponsible owners than actual poor design
@@EthanYorke You can love or not love whatever. There is a reason German cars are expensive UNLESS you live in Europe.
Again, you’ve done 0 to prove they’re expensive. Expensive new? Well, duh. They’re luxury sports cars. Expensive used? That’s not really true as pretty much anything other than M cars depreciate rapidly as they approach 100,000 miles. Expensive to maintain? A used CVT for a 10th Gen Civic costs as much as a used DCT for my M6, replacing an engine in a WRX STI would cost you more than replacing the engine in my M6. So where is your point exactly? Or are you really just that bitter about having an inferior vehicle that isn’t saving you much money?
Bro I swear I have watched a million videos about the M6 before I make the decision of getting one, half the videos say its a great idea, half the videos tell me don't do it lol
If you can handle roughly an additional $500 a month on top of your monthly payment for the car throughout the year for service/repair, go for it. I also drive mine a lot though so that number will be different for everyone, I’ve done about 10,000 miles so far and have paid ~$7,000 for 3 oil changes, rear rotors and pads, a transmission leak, and some fuel evap issue. With just the oil changes and brakes, I’d be at about $3,500. Ultimately it’s just a matter of what you’re comfortable with, an M8 is going to run you $2,000+ a month in payment and, in my opinion, is uglier in every way to the M8 so the M6 is a good deal to me, even with its high cost of ownership.
@@EthanYorke brooo thank you for taking the time to explain everything in detail, this is going to be really helpful!!
Your are the biggest nerd man the way you say ‘actually’ 🤣🤣☺️🤣
If I get this car I’m babying it, the prices have dropped significantly since the last time I’ve saw a m6 price. Thanks for giving me that nudge in this direction
Car market is taking a huge hit rn, I’ve been seeing a few M6 Verts below $30k and even saw a Coupe with CCB’s for sale for $30k even. I hope you’re able to find one! Get a good deal, do rod bearings, rods, axles, and a diff brace and let that thing eat!
@@EthanYorke thanks man, i’am going to subscribe to you and hopefully have your blessing on helping keep the car maintained properly.
Massive, MASSIVE wealth killer. Saying there’s not a significant difference between BMWs and Japanese car maintenance is laughable. So a Corolla’s repairs are mostly as reliable/expensive as an M6?! Yes, BMW is expensive. I don’t think anyone sensible should argue against that. The question is: is buying one a bad idea? Is it not worth it? But to say BMW and Japanese car maintenance are similar due to labor is nuts!
Source: owned 5 Benzs, 1 Dodge, and 1 Lexus
Comparing a Corolla to an M6 is insanely silly, cmon. I thought I was pretty clearly talking about enthusiast cars. My point was that all these JDM kids will go buy themselves an 86, a Type R, etc because “reliability”, then still end up having to pay thousands of dollars to fix things. The new 86’s literally can’t take turns hard without exploding, the last gen 86 is far from being immune to issues, the Civic Type R has cooling issues among other things. Any clutch replacement is going to push $1,500 - $2,000 for any JDM car, and the newer it is the more expensive it is going to be. My buddy has an S2000, I adore that car but even those can have valve issues that require pulling the engine apart. There is virtually not a single car on the planet that you can drive as hard as you want and never have an issue, and the ones that can are going to be specific down to a VIN not to an entire make and model. Sure, a BMW is going to cost more to service. However, at least the issues with BMW’s depreciate their values to favorable prices (for the most part), whereas JDM cars like Subarus hold their value like crazy despite arguably being more unreliable. Actually, now that I mention Subaru, I’ll confidently say that owning a 2016+ WRX STi is more expensive than owning my M6, not even equal. Those cars are piles are garbage but somehow is seen as a better financial decision than buying an equal priced BMW M car that outperforms it in every way and doesn’t have an engine made of glass 😂
@@EthanYorke if your argument is that, not just a base model, but an M6 has the equivalent cost of ownership as a Japanese sports car, there’s really nothing I can say to you.
“Sure, the BMW will cost more to service” can you not read? I literally agreed with your point that the service costs would be more FFS 😂
@@EthanYorke can you read? “there’s really nothing I can say to you.”
@stocksxbondage you came to the comments section of my video to rip on me and now you wanna shut down because the conversation isn’t going as planned? 😂 Have a nice day buddy
Man likes to talk, damn.
And think
Bro! Stop the cap bro. I own a Porsche 911 c4S and I went through 6 BMWs. My 911 is way more reliable and cost me way less to service and maintain than my BMWs. Also my full coverage insurance with hagerty is $125 month for a car that’s way more valuable than most BMWs. Every single 911 is way more reliable than any M6….bore scoring and IMS issues were less than 5 percent of all 2000-2005 911’s….you also showed a Porsche 911 turbo calling it unreliable? 😂😂. That car has a “metzger” engine which is bulletproof!…..please do your research before posting. Great content otherwise 🤙
Unreliable probably wasn’t the right word. My experience with Porsche, as someone who hasn’t owned one, has been that the price to get in is much higher than most BMW’s and parts prices seem astronomical in comparison. That last point is mostly bias towards aftermarket parts though, to be fair. To your credit, Porsche’s are probably more reliable, on average, than BMW’s, although I still hold my breath on that simply because the mileage expectations for the two brands are very different. 50k miles can be considered high miles for a 911 whereas 50k is low to medium miles for most BMW models including M’s. I’m making assumptions here, but something tells me things like oil leaks and coolant leaks on a 70,000 mile 911 is “to be expected” because that is considered high mileage whereas an equivalent BMW model gets called unreliable for it. Again, I’ve never owned a Porsche so I could be way off base here.
On the insurance note, I’ve never had much issue with my M’s. My F80 M3 was $110 (was on my parent’s policy at the time) per month and my M6, 328D, and E36 are $340 per month total on my own policy (25 years old). I’ve never gotten a quote for a Porsche so I don’t have much to add there.
You’re 100% correct that I should have done more research, I think I was just eager to film a video. I agree that all 911’s are reliable than both models of the M6, but 911’s are obviously not immune from their own costly issues. I came off more antagonistic than I needed to in the video, but all I was trying to say is that the value a lot of the BMW M cars offer, even with their issues, is very high. If I spend $20,000 maintaining my M6 (that would be almost every major issue occurring) over my ownership, I will have spent $65,000 on the car in total. Maybe I’m bias, but that still needs like a pretty insane bargain for a 600+ horsepower GT car in a pretty limited colorway with an interior that, to me, feels like it’s on par with a Bentley. If you asked me if I’d rather have my M6 knowing it would have $20k worth of problems or a problem free example of whatever 911 $65k would buy me, I’d pick the M6.
What year is the 911? How many miles? I appreciate the feedback! I’m glad you’re enjoying the Porsche life 😎
@@EthanYorke I have a 2004 C4S that I bought with 73,000miles and right now I have 158,531 miles and I daily drive it. My friend is a Porsche collector and he has a 911 in his collection with 246,000 miles and counting. Thanks for your feedback and keep the content coming. Great review of the M6
@GarthLovesTRAVEL Nice! I love knowing those cars are getting driven 🔥
You’re telling OP to stop the cap and then say Porsches are cheaper to maintain and service than BMWs. I own a 992 GTS and I also own a G 82M4C. In the past I’ve owned an E92 M3, B7 RS4 a 991.2 Carrera S and F82 M4 and a 718 Cayman T. So I have a pretty good idea on what the maintenance costs are for all of those vehicles and Porsche is definitely more expensive than BMW. The labor cost and parts are more expensive, but they are well built cars and if you maintain them, all of them, you’ll find you get good results. Just because you’ve owned a 997 C4 S and some older BMW‘s does not make you an expert anymore than it does mean and these kind of blanket statements is what spreads this kind of bullshit across the inter webs… it all comes down to doing your research. Make sure you get an inspection before purchasing a used BMW or PPI for a used Porsche and then maintain them well, it’s not rocket science. People are just lazy about maintaining their cars or do poor research prior to buying a used one.
@@Peanutdenver lmfao!! You should read more and do your own research. I commented about the part where he used the picture of a 997 turbo and called Porsche unreliable!. Since you are such an expert because “you owned” all these cars and know so much! You should know that a 997 turbo has a metzger engine which is bullet proof and is the most reliable 911 without fail so that s why i wrote “ do your research” before posting!!. Also in “MY” opinion based on owning bmws and still a bmw owner and fan that’s why I was watching his video about the M6 because I was thinking of buying one and I now own one since watching his video….i still know that my Porsche is cheaper to maintain than any bmw I have owned and I am yet to have a opinion on the M6 . I made my comment based on my experience! I said stop the cap because he was wrong about posting the metzger which he didn’t even know about the reliability of that car. Anyways have a good life and fun with all your cars
Hey man we want less people driving Bimmers why you you selling us out let them drive Toyotas
I’m 17 and the car is 24k from dealership and has 95k miles im not sure but the price sounds like a steal
If you can handle ~$2,000 - $4,000 in service if/when something goes wrong (other than massive failures like the entire engine), I say go for it. Expect to pay about $6,000 up front after purchase to replace rod bearings, fix oil leaks, and possibly service the brakes
@@EthanYorkeso your saying about 8k I will cost to replace that with labor? Damm. I wanted a 60k mile one had good service records tho
Going to say one thing… CCP
Fantastic production bro👏👏 felt like I was in the car with you n then the exterior shots tied it all together🤌😮💨🫡