Am I a Moron for Buying the Overpriced Festool Kapex-120EB over the Dewalt DW716?
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- After using the Festool Kapex 120EB and Dewalt DW716 for a combined 13 years- I take a close look at my likes and dislikes with each of the saws.
MY FAVOURITE TOOLS (That I own and use!)
10" Miter Saw Blades:
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Freud 10" 60 tooth Slide Miter Saw Blade: amzn.to/33mELQu
Oshlun 10" 60 tooth Slide Miter Saw Blade with 5/8" arbor: amzn.to/33nAE6L
Oshlun 10" 60 tooth Slide Miter Saw Blade with 30mm arbor: amzn.to/33mFCAG
Canadian Links:
Freud 10" 60 tooth Slide Miter Saw Blade: N/A
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Oshlun 10" 60 tooth Slide Miter Saw Blade with 30mm arbor: amzn.to/3mfgt2n
Curved Bosch Oscillating Blades:
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SAWS:
FESTOOL KAPEX MITRE SAW
-This is not for everyone but if your looking for the best this is it.
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DEWALT 10" PORTABLE TABLE SAW WITH STAND
-The rack and pinion fence and lightweight body are a winning combination!
Amazon Links: US-amzn.to/3imlraF
MAKITA 18V TRACK SAW
-This is a game changer when it comes to breaking down sheet good and making precise cuts!
Amazon Links: US-amzn.to/2SlPhl2
MILWAUKEE M12 OSCILLATING MULTI TOOL
The brand new version and the old one are both 1st class all the way!
Old Version
Amazon Links: US-amzn.to/3l2MXeY
New Fuel Version
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NAIL GUNS:
DEWALT 18G BRAD NAILER
-This a cheap gun that performs as well as any gun I've used! Great tool clip as well.
Amazon Link: US-amzn.to/3neWOAg
GREX 23G PIN NAILER
-Crisp holes and fairly consistent shooting.
Amazon Link: US-amzn.to/36qCeag
DRILLS:
MAKITA SUBCOMPACT SET
-Extremely lightweight and surprisingly power. These are two of my favourite tools!
Amazon Link: US-amzn.to/34iJ3Ir
Festoon CXS
-The most precise drill in the world and my favourite tool!
Amazon Link: US- amzn.to/32djFn4
LASERS:
DEWALT LINE LASER
-Reasonably priced, works great, sticks to drywall corner beads excellent!
Amazon Link: US-amzn.to/3cQo03A
LEICA DISTO D2 MEASURE DEVICE
-Super accurate and easy to use!
Amazon Link: US-amzn.to/3l5Vazc
VACUUMS:
MAKITA 18V CORDLESS VACUUM
-This is my 3rd Favourite tool. Sucks surprisingly well and the portability is soon handy!
Amazon Link: US-amzn.to/3jo5kec
FESTOOL CT MINI
-A great portable vacuum for a mitre saw or any other hand held tool.
Amazon Link: US-amzn.to/30sW4hv
TOOL STORAGE:
FESTOOL SYSTAINER
-A great integrated system that all locks together, and can be used as a works bench as well.
Amazon Links: US-amzn.to/36tcsCi
FESTOOL ROLLING CART
-Exceptional little rolling cart for the sustainers and a great way to move heavy cabinets!
Amazon Links: US-amzn.to/3l7licX
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I went and figured out which tool I used most often in my shop. It was definitely the miter saw. I got the Kapex with the vacuum so I could run it on my Domino as well. It is so dead-on accurate right out of the box and the laser is the best. As for handling long and larger pieces of wood, with just a couple of outfeed supports, I was slinging 12-foot pieces of 2 by 6 pressure-treated lumber for deck rehab with my old blade this summer. I have used it extensively for furniture, trim, and structural work, and after 14 years, that is only $100/year to own the best.
Great saw especially ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxxnKxcY0vm4xjW8xkPbjaHuKt10gr-wG_ considering how drastically cheaper it is than every other track saw on the market. Only things I would mention is replace the blade immediately, the 24 tooth blade supplied leaves a lot to be desired.
Great video, thank you for your time. The Kapex is my "One Day" saw... one day I'll save up enough for it!!!
Thanks for checking out the channel Josh, it's appreciated!
If you ever do work on site at a client's house, the Festool price may pale in comparison to the increased client satisfaction achieved by better dust collection keeping their house clean. Obviously this isn't a concern for a lot of trades people. But Festool is worth every penny for some of us on this basis alone.
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Makita has great dust collection for a fraction of the festool
I know this video is a bit old, but I just had to comment. Over the last five years, I owned a number of different sliding mitre saws, and each had its strengths and weaknesses. I wrestled over the last year or so with a Makita LS1219L in terms of getting square cuts. Long story short, I had the same issue many others had, which was the forward rails were not tracking parallel. I tried all the fixes and they all worked for a bit - follow up with Makita did not even get a response. So I bought the Kapex with high hopes and have been blown away - this saw was square and true out of the box - flip cut test was a perfect seam and the bevels were also perfect at 45 and 60. It was no doubt expensive, but the time I will save not having to continually check and recalibrate will eventually pay for itself. And just the confidence in knowing I will get the cut I need….just great for the mental state!
Wow. Blown away and terrifying.only saw to cut square out of the box
Such a great channel man, and you have some very knowledgeable subscribers - the comments are equally as useful as your videos. Keep em coming buddy, the U.K. needs people like you!
Thanks a lot Greg! 100% agree with the commenters being awesome! I have learned a number of great things reading the comments.
Stumbled across your comparison videos and reviews great source of information. Especially when it comes to Milwaukee I think you’re the most honest on UA-cam. Went with tte festool assemble drill over the Milwaukee based on your vid. Keep up the good work Dave London UK
Really appreciate that Dave- I hope the drill works out great for you!
So I finally got the 120 this weekend. It's terrifying how dead on every angle is on the machine. Instantly fell in love with it. 😁👍
And it's terrifying how dead inaccurate my Bosch axial glide is.
@@bnssoftware3292 😂🤣😂🤣
A few plus and minuses about the festool. The saw is lighter, and easy to move, but the mobile base sucks if you’re taller than 6 foot because the handle is really low to pull walking normally. It does setup at a comparable height to other saws. The working table is too small for larger trim, and depth and length of cuts is less than a good 12” slider and it’s not powered for bulky lumber. (it’s a small 10” tops), but the saw is really good for the average job with normal trim out. The bevel adjustment has the top to release and front handle to adjust which is way better if you work on job sites pushed against a wall, or have a bad back. No more bending to release and set. Last is the dust collection is so much better. I’m inside and I average a lot less cleanup daily. I’m specifically working in occupied condos and the spaces need to be cleaned every day. Also the saw itself doesn’t hold as much dust to drag down the hallway at the end of the job. Every saw has its advantages and disadvantages and the real drawback to the festool is you’re dumping around $3000 by the time you buy the saw, base and extensions and a few blades. As others have pointed out saws don’t teach you skills and a $120 single bevel 10” saw will cut just as well as the festool in the right hands. It’s more comparable to what you drive to work. They all get you there, but the festool has a lot of expensive options that aren’t worth it to most people and you can pay a lot of bills with the money you don’t spend.
Some great points here for sure! Thanks for checking out the channel!
Wow, you said a LOT of really useful things very succinctly! Thanks! You should make some videos!
I am a trim carpenter and own these saws , I am glad you see how accurate the kapex is ,it shows up even more with mitres in heavy stock casing , and handrail
Thanks for checking out the channel Matthew
So I bought the makita 10” front rail and the dust collection is unreal. I love it. Best purchase ever. I’m glad I didn’t go with the festool but I came really close to getting it. Basically I flipped a coin and went the cheap route but it worked out better for me. Look into that Makita.
That's a great saw, I've admired the dust collection, the few times I've seen them on site.
I think I’m going with the Makita 12” front rail. I currently have a DeWalt 780 but I’m about to build a permanent miter station in the garage and the dewalt will hold off the wall too much leaving me less counter space in front of the rail system. I’m mounting a sawgear fence so I’m looking at 10’ of counter top space to the left of the saw to consider. The direct drive motor, dust collection and front release of the compound miter adjustment on the Makita met my three main likes for a saw that wasn’t $1500. I hope it lives up to its reputation.
@@tfast78 so the 12” was my first choice too. Until 3 woodworkers told over time you have a better chance of creating deflection in your blade verses a 10”. So I went with the 10. Anything too wide I just cross cut with the circular or tracksaw
Jeep vs Lexus
...I’m more of a functional, everyday driver kinda guy myself and after 26 yrs of high end cabinetry and trim work I’m happy with my dialed in dewalt. When I’m retired and pee sitting down I might be in the market for a festool...BTW get a fast cap saw hood and your job site dust problems will be a thing of the past and you’ll be the envy of every carpenter there
Seriously though, keep up the great work. I've been trying to save the money up to buy my own kapex. Every time I see it, it makes me want it more.
Thanks mate- what type of saw are you currently using?
@@TheFunnyCarpenter still using my 20 year old dewalt. I never buy a new tool until the one I own won't work anymore. I've fixed it 10+ times. Still keeps ticking. Every single week for 20 years, hundreds of employees. Awesome!
I own both of those saws. I bought the kapex with the extension wings and rolling stand when there was a big sale. Now that I have been using it for a while I can say without any question it is worth every penny. Dust collection is much better, accuracy is better and the ability to make repetitive cuts with the arms is what really sets thing thing apart for me. Good video
Thanks Ben, I'm glad you're enjoying the saw. How do you like the stand? I didn't want to pay for the stand so I just retro fit it onto a Bosch stand and ordered the little metal bracket pieces to mount on some plywood wings.
Festool? Sale? Seems suspicious
@@beantea5592 when the updated saw was released retailers were allowed to sell the previous version at a discount I managed to get my hands on one of them
@@carbb5760 Was this 120 R going to 120 REB ?
The arguments you placed are valid, except aiming down the saw blade with a Kapex is pointless as you can dial your laser guides and forget all about creeping up on your cuts. I will admit it took me about 25 minutes to dial mine in, but its in use every single day.
You are right about the dust collection, the bigger and more powerful vacuum you get with a bigger hose will collect a lot more dust (this is where Festool is no longer a tool, it becomes a system).
I don't know if in America this is valid but in Europe we get 3 years theft protection and three years warranty included in the price of the machine along with 10 years spare parts guarantee.
In America I can see DeWalt is extremely popular, but I believe the quality of the tools sold on the US market is higher than what it is in Europe and I have tried all models of DeWalt and Makita mitre saws and they do not come close to the Festool quality.
I dialled mine in as well, I just don't really like using the laser.
I love the shadow light of the dewalt great and accurate
@@TheFunnyCarpenter to be honest, it is something of preference, although now led lighting to show you where the blade is shows to be much more accurate, I tried a friend of mine's mitre saw and it really eases accuracy of cuts
@@wwmilanl Festool brought than in on their cordless mitre saw.
The inaccuracy is more likely to be nothing to do with either saw. When you are working with wood there is a limit to accuracy required as it is not 100% stable.
I can't believe I haven't been using your scientific test disclaimer line. You mean all I have to do is tell people not to argue with me in the comments???!!!!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It works about 50% half of the time🙃. I’m saving up for a testing robot to be on the safe side:)
i own a Kapex and own that dewalt not a fair fight in the least. The 12" sliding Dewalt is no slouch but i still prefer the Kapex for all trim work except when bast exceeds 4" thats when I grab the dewalt.
Being a lefty and cutting both handed with every tool I own, us lefties have a completely different pov than righties.
Festool/kapex is quieter and cleaner, other than that, the man makes the tool, the tool doesn't make the man. I can use a coping saw and give a greenie with 100k worth of kapex festool products a run for his money.
I will say though kapex finish guns are in fact levels above the competition.
Kapex/festool= workshop
Non-kap/fes= in the field
Lol when unload the Kapex onto the job site you’d best bring the heat:)
Hop out in $400 Redwings, with $400 occidentals, unload $20k in kapex tools, unload 2 cases of nail putty, 5 cases of caulk....for 100ft of mdf base🤣🤣🤣
Didnt watch the video but, no.
I had the dewalt, bought the kapex and sold the dewalt a week later.
Do i wish i had the 12 inch dewalt for large shit sometimes? Yes.
The ease of bevel release and lock is worth the price alone
nice video but missed what to me is the most important aspect of a mitre saw....how accurate is the cut over a wide board over at least 200mm (8inch)...90deg; 45deg; compound 45x45deg
Bottom line is if it's worth it to YOU. I don't get wrapped around the axle about tool prices, though $1500 IS steep. I think for a more apples to apples saw comparison with more similar features, the difference isn't nearly that high. For professionals, these are money making tools. If the features and benefits give you results and make you more productive, the price difference, even at this level, is not really an issue if the tool lasts and remains tight. Just like anything else, if you want high end features, you have to pay for them. While I can't justify that cost difference, justification is a subjective thing. One bonus of purchasing an expensive tool is that you will inherently take better care of it. Not so much if you have multiple employees using your stuff. I went with the Makita 36v saw. I like it, but it's HEAVY as heck! I plan on getting the Milwaukee M18 7-1/4 model this year for portability. Keep up the great work.
Edit: As for accuracy, I find that simply using a marking knife instead of a pencil eliminates the vast majority of inaccuracy.
Good tip. That 7-1/4" Milwaukee is really nice. I've tried it cutting some 3/4" maple and the power was amazing.
The hold down clamp on the Kapex is far superior to anything on the market. It is fast to clamp and secure. These guys complaining about the price are the same ones driving $75k dollar pickups to the jobsite . I bet that Kapex saves you time and jobsite mess. That alone is worth the money.
I would agree! The hold down clamp is extremely nice- although I never really use it.
It's always nice when the HD guy gives you back your finger.
You are comparing a fixed compound miter saw with a sliding compound miter saw. Compare the sliding Dewalt to the Kapex and it would be a better comparison. I have the DW717 sliding Dewalt, and the table is not flat, the fence is not square to the table, and the slide is not true. I’ve worked and worked on the saw to true it up. On a four-cut test, my Dewalt is out 0.042” over 11 inches. That was after grinding down the table, installing a wood fence with adjusting screws to square the face up. There is just no way to adjust slide. It would be fine for rough carpentry, but not finish work.
This reminds me of my last Hitachi saw. It was in the middle of belt sanding the table down I decided I may just need to buy a better saw:)
I would buy the festool and i will buy the festool that is a great saw. if someone says you're dumb for buying a festool, well seams to me they are the one with the problem. lol
You can get the festool dust shoe for under $20 and after a little grinder work it can be installed in the dewalt, dust collection works as good as the festool for $20 not a bad deal
You need to know this....Festool is engineering everything in house with their development department! Dewalt is just copying existing systems. Also, Festool is all about safety! So that's the reason you cannot pick-up the blade gard easily by hand! ( Just activate the system with the triggers, release the power trigger, and you are able to put the blade on sight to a mark on the wood you wanna cut, so there is NO reason to pick-up the blade gard with your hand!). Also, because Festool is using ballbearings, the machine will stay accurate as long as the machine will live! Dewalt will start to feel loose after some years, the entire system that you use to cut the wood will start to move left and right, so making a true cut is no longer possible. Dust will clog up the Dewalt so much, that you have to treat it with lube, in order to be able to use it, and the motor is under powered. The thing is though, in all honesty, you CANNOT compare these miter saws to each other. The Dewalt is made for rough building work ( foundation work for instance) and the Festool is made for more finer and precision work, like cabinet/ furniture making.You don't start the Baha 500...with a Ferrari right?! :-)
I don’t agree that the Kapex is not worth the 4xtra capital layout. The other saws are laughable inaccurate if you make fine furniture and installations. Ant the thingy that you’ve never used.... don’t be a moron and find out how to use it - worth it mate. Finally time is money and clean-up is. A breeze with Festool. It’s a
‘No brainer”.
You nailed everything I hate about the Bosch mitre saw. It's my second big Bosch purchase I ended up regreting. The amount of dust that thing pukes out and its weight is extra gross.
The Bosch axial glide is the biggest pile of crap I ever bought. Now instead of the Kapex costing me $1700, it's $2400.
Going to the larger extractor fitting does increase efficiency but that would mean changing the fitting over for most of your other tools as they would still be the smaller 27mm (1- 1/16).
Due to this i run it with the smaller fitting which does restrict the kapex outlet a little but more convenient.
Indeed! I'd like to make a quick video looking at a few option for this.
I have the Bosch saw and sometimes wonder if I should have bought the Kapex since the Bosch has HORRIBLE dust collection but is such a great saw... one of your awesome comparisons would be nice between the Bosch and Kapex
Thanks for checking out the channel! Here you go:ua-cam.com/video/WJiyEDeYS4Q/v-deo.html
Wow! Your channel is really blowing up. I subscribed to you back when you were less than 1000 followers (on my old personal account). So your now getting two subscribers for the price of one. Your videos have really been getting better and better. It’s cool to see such great progress and really great content. Keep it up my friend!
Thanks Dude:). Thanks for checking out the channel
I make a lot of small display cases, military shadow boxes etc, and I simply could not get either one of my Dewalt saws to cut as precisely as the Kapex. Is it way over priced, hell yes!.....but it truly has set and forget accuracy. When I need to make a bevel cut, I don't need to recheck the blade once I set it back to 90 degrees......as it's always perfect, each and every time. Did I mention the Kapex is overpriced?........all festool items are overpriced! Otherwise it's been a fantastic addition to my shop and I look forward to never buying another Kapex, as once is enough! Great review.
100% agree. The Mitre stops are bang on solid, the Bevel adjustment is razor thin precise. Brings joy rather than frustration. Cheers
wonder if they plan to making a 12" Kapex.
I have had the DW716 and it was amazing except the strong kick when I let the trigger go at end of a cut. Also the round surface where the blade cuts tru was lower than the sides and that was why I got rid of it. Also the Dewalt miter arrow is different you have an older saw.
I think the most interesting miter saw is either the Bosch or delta saws with the arms instead of rails.
That Bosch with the terminator arm instead of the sliding rails is amazing! I’m gonna break my saw so I “need” to buy the Bosch. Haha.
@@TonightWeGrill Бош, сейчас на очень. Качество очень плохое.
Unless you need accurate cuts.
I just bought a Dewalt dw716 and I’m having some trouble with the sliding fences. They’re not square to the base and a bit out of plane with each other. Should I return the saw? Or can I fix that with wood auxiliary fences?
Nobody is mentioning that Festool is variable speed, and with a carbide blade on low rpm, you can do silent/cold cuts with it, which is neighbor friendly?
Cool editing. Thanks for taking the time.
I've used both saws for years, you should have had a dewalt slider for an exact comparison. The kapex is a shop saw, and the dewalt can stand up to the jobsite rigors. I will never buy another kapex, waste of money, but the dust collection is second to none. I just keep my dewalt 20v blower handy at all times to blow off the dewalt saw (when im outside). Inside it needs a chop saw hood to collect. I've tried the axial glide Bosch. It is by far superior sliding to both saws. Another thing to note is that the dewalt sliding arm sticks out the back, while the kapex slider is in the front, giving you a tighter space against a wall
I’ve been lugging around my Kapex for 5 years and so far so good. My DW706 lasted about 8 years before the motor blew up. I’ve borrowed my friends 12” axial glide should have a vid by next Saturday. Thanks for checking out the channel:)
@@TheFunnyCarpenter my dewalt saw is a 2008, going on 13 years, nothing broke yet, lol knock on wood. Nice channel man. I'll be following for sure
Festool does pretty rigorous stress testing on their stuff to make sure it holds up on job sites. Drop tests, shaking while dangling from the power cord on some and they even ship sand from Arizona to blast the tools to make sure they fail
Depends on what you want to achieve. The Dewalt is my choice because it has a 12” blade.
No Kapex can cut through a 3 1/2” newel without flipping it.
It can’t cut through a 10” wide skirt board on a beveled angle Front to back. The Kapex excels a bit on most other things by a small margin.
Blade size matters.
And the price of $1999.00 Canadian really bites.
Most people that I know that have festool’s believe it makes them better. The fact is no tool can compensate for bad skills
If I was new to the hobby or craft and thought I needed a Festool Kapex to add to my arsenal to improve my work flow I would seriously consider purchasing a Festool track saw and either a DeWalt, Bosch or Delta sliding miter box saw. Far superior and useful than owning one extremely high priced saw that has better dust collection. I do know why woodworkers and carpenters are recently so concerned with mitersaw dust collection and own a wood lathe, table saw, router, drill, etc.. Marketing seems to be the most obvious in my opinion. Making sawdust is no differ than any other tradesman in other occupations, everyone makes a mess in creating their art forms and aren’t as hung up.
Hell of a point on the track saw cheaper miter saw combo. For me the dust collection is nice, but it's the bevel cutting ability of the Kapex that sets it apart in my case. For the average person hell no... buy the cheaper option.
Don't forget that a lot of these materials throw off toxic dust.
Thank you for the comparison. I own a high end construction company. We are always looking for the best tools for our trades. Dust control has become a very important part of our drive toward safer work environment, cleanliness and the over all experience for our customers.
Price isn’t really and issue as we depreciate and keep them for a long time.
We already own Featool vacs, sanders and track saws. We are considering replacing our dewalt 780’s with the Kapex or we have been considering the new Makita 40amp 10” miter saws.
I own a dual battery Makita and it does a great job catching 90% of the dust. But it’s kind of nice to have a vacuum that auto starts and stops with the Featool tools we already own.
Any thoughts on this? I’d would be buying the saws for our trim carpenters.
The nice thing about the Kapex is how accurate it is with very little effort. For trim work, that is key so sounds like a no-brainer. I have also found it to be a very safe saw as it is hard to get around the blade safety guard and the built-in hold-downs are terrific. Maintenance is easy and the detents and lasers are pretty much foolproof as well as VERY accurate. The only thing I don't know is how well it holds up to getting slung around job sites.
You should definitely take a look at the KSC60 for trim work too if you’re in the batteries already.
If price is no object I’d go with Mafell. Pricier but better build quality than festool. I own both & prefer the Mafells hands down. I use Festool sanders, the Kapex, & dust extraction & Mafell track saws & their cordless Kss40 which almost replaces the kapex in terms of accuracy, cut capability, & portability.
should of tested it with the Dewalt 780 for a more accurate comparision. But the Dewalt 780 dust collection with vac id say is like 50% max
fair point
Brands like Hilti and Festool are much higher quality and their warranty (at least hilti's) is far better and should be accounted for. That said, I use dewalt hand tools. I don't have any larger power tools for wood working currently. All my fancy stuff is welding/fabrication related.
Dude. That was an awesome video. The music montage was perfect. I’d buy the Kapex just cause you can cut to faster bear music. Seems the Dewalt needs too slow of a beat for my tastes.
From my experience, the DeWalt chop and slider saws are well suited for rough construction, not finish work - they're clunky and lack the finesse for finish work. The Hitachi SCMS is a much more refined tool for finish, as is the Festool. I would go on ebay and look for an original Hitachi sliding compound miter saw, not the new bastardized Metabo HTP saws. But if all you're doing is decks and rough framing, the DeWalt is fine.
Not a bad point. My last saw was the Hitchi 10"SCMS. I liked it but when it came to cutting nested crowing was fairly terrible.
Finish Carpentry TV would beg to differ.
It's all in how you set them up. My Dewalt droppy is absolutely excellent and very accurate.
I highly disagree .... the dewalts are great for trim work, ive been making a living with them for many years and i started out on a 9" Rockwell miter saw , yes a 9" !
I also disagree. I use my dewalt almost exclusively for fine woodworking and finish work, and it's deadnuts accurate, and smooth. I've also never had a problem with it bogging or burning. The stock blade is all decent at preventing tear out. I paid under $300 for mine and I think it's an incredible value.
@@DWINTERS14 They are considered expensive here in NZ. I got mine on a promo with a stand for $1399. Everything is expensive here, but I'm the only one of two guys in my area with a Dewalt saw in my van, and the only one with a table saw in my van. My company has shitty 10 year old 7'1/4" Makitas, some of them not even sliders on the trucks, and one DWS780 in pride of place in the workshop. They have a Makita table saw that quickly broke. The local glass company has the same Dewalt table saw as me, but all the boys have to borrow it from the workshop of they need it. I'm the only one in town with a table saw on board at all times. I guess that's what happens when you don't spend all your money on booze and hookers lol.
But what about the Bosch in the background!?
Did another video on the channel looking at it.
Haha nice musical edit @7:35 I’m loving my Kapex for cabinetry, especially with the UG stand. But the blade guard is a serious pain. I even struggle to line up the laser to my pencil mark because it covers so much of it until you start plunging. My favourite part about it other then accuracy is definitely how easy the bevel is to use. I did everything I could not to use the bevel on my old DWS780.
Thanks man! Good point on the Bevel, I think that's why most people end up not making bevel cuts- the average saw out there is a chore to get it set up!
@@TheFunnyCarpenter exactly! And then when you do get it set up they’re either so inaccurate or just heavy that they deflect to much on a bevel, and accuracy is just way harder then it needs to be.
Hard for me to comment as I've never owned a Festool. But 1500 dollars for something my cordless Kolbalt miter does perfectly for 200 dollars is hard to fathom. I used to think Milwaukee was to expensive and now I'm hooked. So maybe I'll atleast give Festool a try at some point. But not this saw. Lot of people love that Dewalt. Most common miter saw I see on sites.
For the money Dewalt saws are tough to beat.
Bringing a festool on site seems silly to me. My festool are never going to leave my shop.
I bought a dewalt miter saw after using a ryobi. The dewalt is unbelievably better than the ryobi. But in my small shop in which dust collection is extremely important and space is limited the Dewalt quickly became a burden. Working outside I love it. But inside the back facing rails make it so cumbersome. And it sprays out dust everywhere.
I gifted the Dewalt to my dad bc I have no room for it. I currently have no miter saw and I’m using a festool tracksaw saw in its place. I can’t wait to get a Kapex.
Once you have the festool system there is no going back. Everything is so beautifully compatible and user friendly. Relevant to my situation is that The Kapex and stand sits exactly the same height (90 nm) as the festool multifunctional table. So instead of having a bulky Dewalt miter saw folded in a mobile stand in my way while trying to maneuver boards around in the shop I’ll be able to slide boards across both level surfaces.
My two favorite brands are festool and Dewalt. For some things Dewalt is a no brainer over festool for me- like drill bits. I’m not gonna spend festool money when Dewalts are great. But once I upgraded to a festool carvex from a Dewalt jigsaw I will never use my Dewalt jigsaw again (inside at least.)
I am sorry, I usually like your videos, but this is not a good comparison. Talk about how the Dewalt is so simple, and there is more to the Kapex, yes, because one is a chop saw, the other is a slider. There is of course going to be differences. Not a brand thing, Just not a fair apples to apples compare. I agree it is pricey, but again, not a fair comparison, the Kapex has so many better features than other saws. Accuracy is number one to me. When I first got the saw, took it out of the box, cut a 15" or saw ply, took two cuts, with a stop, flipped it over, cut the other way, you can not tell it was two cuts. Dead on accurate out of the box. Plus the Kapex clamps are genius. If something is a pain to use, we don't use it, with the kapex, I use the clamps every time because they are so quick and easy. The Kapex is also a space saver in the back, VERY nice feature. Plus how the bevel adjustment works, just turn the knob, another innovation. Not to mention, how can you compare, even price wise, brand aside, between a chop saw and a slider? I am not a FT fanboy, but sorry, this was not a good comparison. If it was a Dewalt slider, then it would be more fair.
DWS779 $349 DWS780 $499 Amazon. In some regions the free cart and Home Depot has the Ridgid universal miter saw cart for $99. Also I think Lowes has the DWS779 with the big stand combo
Thanks for the great video. Ironically, I just spent $1500 to replace by Dewalt 780 and I feel like a moron, about 100%. I bought the hype on the dust collection as I have a small hobbyist woodworking shop and obviously want as little dust as possible. I honestly cannot tell much difference between dust collection on the 780 versus the Festool ($1500 (:. I have spent a lot of time experimenting with different hoses and setups thinking I must be doing something wrong as I was expecting the 90% dust collection. Aw shucks.
If you ever get a chance to see these two saws in the right type of lighting, you will probably notice the difference in dust collection. The Kapex does a fairly nice job at keeping the finer dust out of the air. Lol at least you will look like a top pro:). I always thought it would be funny if I showed up on site with my ridiculously priced miter saw and then proceeded to just shat the bed in terms of quality.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Thank you😊. That helps me feel a little better
Are you using a festool vac? They base that number on use within their own brand
@@beantea5592 Thanks. I tried it with a Festool vac and didn’t see any noticeable difference with the naked eye. I suppose if you were able to measure it with some sort of device, it likely would make a difference.
Dust collection is about the fine dust that suspends in the air & kills you slowly. The big stuff is meant to fall on the ground & not float in the air. You vacuum that up yourself.
0:57 I miss this feature. It was very handy
absolutely
@@TheFunnyCarpenter The laser on my Kapex is very accurate so I find I don't need to do this very often. Great video. I appreciate your candor.
It would be hard to find many, if any, people who buy and use the Festool alternative who don’t fully appreciate the value of a premium tool. It is noteworthy that these two saws are nowhere near the same tool so price comparison is irrelevant. Also, Home Depot guy seems a bit slooooow.
Fair points, I thought it would be interesting to take a look at what an extra 1000$ gets you! Also don't sleep on the Dewalt that's a mighty production trim saw!
i have the kapex from 2016, and in the 5 years that i’ve had it, i’ve had to send it out twice already. The motor burned up each time, but the first was covered under warranty. this last time it was not, and while they did upgrade the guts to a newer contactless motor, it still cost me $500. it’s a nice saw, but jeeeeeez.
That's brutal James!
@@TheFunnyCarpenter omg i know, i almost bought a makita and told them to just keep it.
I have used the non-sliding Dewalt for decades as pro finish carpenter. Can't beat the depth of cut for cutting crown and base in position. (Why didn't Festool make a 12" machine, at least for US market?) Long ago on a job, I made a cone from a Dixie cup and used it to enlarge the dust inlet on the Dewalt. Further iterations of this "Big Mouth" modification hasn't made it a rival for Kapex efficiency, but it does make a significant improvement. The Kapex massive bevel scale is awesome, but there are work methods to achieve precise bevel angles that eliminate the need for micro-measurement of bevel angles altogether.
Excellent point on the dust chute modification. With a little ingenuity anything is possible!
That is my exact Dewalt saw. I'm pretty happy with it. Trimmed a lot with it. I would not spend $1500 on a miter saw. Could you do a review of a cheap harbor freight sliding miter saw?
That’s a classic saw, it’s what I started out with. Build a nice reputation with it for sure!
The harbor freight 12in sliding miter, the Hercules one. Is a direct clone of the dewalt. It’s inferior in every single way. I wouldn’t buy it.
My boss owns the Hercules and I own the dewalt.
My boss also has the Hercules table saw, wouldn’t buy that either
2020 and the dewalt saw is still the best mitre saw. I have three 12" double bevels, two 10" and the slider. I'm a finish carpenter, cabinetmaker and custom woodworker for over 30 years and dewalt is just the best at miter saw. I'm not brand loyal since the only other dewalt power tools I own are their electric hand planer and the new electric table saw. Cordless is makita or milwaukee and I would not buy anything but porter cable for a router.
Dewalt has always made a great reliable Miter Saw.
You're right dewalt makes the best sliding miter saw period. Nothing else comes close.
Your comparing 2 saws that are completely different. A Dewalt 780 vs the Kapex would be a better comparison. For me the 10 “ Kapex just doesn’t cut it with a 4” newel.
Wow! $1500!!! That's a hard pill to swallow.
Jeffrey Coon yes the pill is like a golf ball🤣
You almost cut my nail guns out of the video but I did pay attention a lot better this time lol
Jeffrey Coon lol, I’m going to do a chatting question type video for the 24th- I’m going to take those guns off the wall and get some good shots:)
@@TheFunnyCarpenter that would be awesome! Lol
Not that bad, itll pay for itself eventually
Dude you could do a sitcom on UA-cam using Leroy as the main character. That shit was funny 😄
Re the simplicity of the mechanisms, you appear to be comparing apples with pears as one is a straight out mitre saw while the other is a compound mitre saw which needs more parts to do its job
Lol. One of the best tool reviews I’ve seen ever. Not being hyperbolic or sarcastic either. 👍👍 LeeeeeRoy Jenkins!
I would imagine if your doing extremely fine grade furniture your better off with the Kapex . If your doing finish carpentry, even stain grade your better off with a Dewalt or equivalent! If your just dealing with trim work in a house your never going to absolutely "need" the extreme accuracy of the Kapex. Due to the nature of trim boards etc. Now if your the type that just has to have the very best of everything than by all means dish out all that money. Lol! At some point one has to realize that the majority of the quality of any project is the direct result of the ability of the tradesman and not the tools used. I've personally witnessed crappy work from people who have the "very best" tools ! The quality of thier tools is wasted on them! Just my two cents....
Agreed in all points!
I loved the D.J. thing in the end great overall comparison video
Haha great video, every finishing carpenter I know that has purchased the kapex has had issues with the motor frying out :( pains me to say it cause I am a festool fan for some of their products.
Kevin Smith that sucks about the motors. I know quite a few guys with the saw and haven’t had any issues, but seems like a real problem.
They had a recall recently on the Kapex 120 - REB model in the UK, not sure what the case is there but give them a call, at least you can get it serviced by festool at no cost for you
Noticed a red blade on your kapex, what saw blades are you using? Just wondering because the festool blade are a little pricey like everything else
Comparing a chop saw with a sliding saw is not exactly fair. The DWS780 would be fairer- still half the price.
The DW716 is the most common saw for Cabinet installers in North America in my opinion. I thought'd it be nice to compare it to another good option. I have a comp coming out next week with the Kapex and The Bosch Axial Glide, so that may be more up your alley. Cheers
@@TheFunnyCarpenter lol you see what I mean about the amount of disclaimers you need on UA-cam so ppl don’t jump on obvious things like you and everyone weren’t aware?
I don’t recall the part in the video where you claimed it was a perfect apples to apples fair comparison.
Kermit I would like to make a parody video where I do a vs type video with like an oscillating tool vs a wrench or something.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter hahaha definitely do that. But you have to do it 100% serious so all the captain obvious heads explode. $10 says no matter how extreme their differences are, if you do it with a strait face, you’ll still get ppl saying it’s unfair.
Kermit seems like a challenge!
I always say this. Try the kapex with out dust collection. Then try it with. That’s how you can tell how good it actually is. I’ve done it by accident in someone’s front room wile fitting architraves and skirting wasn’t a fun day. 🙄😂.
Lol the Kapex is absolutely terrible without a vacuum.
Dewalt 780 all day. I wish rigid would make their newer model sliding compound miter saw at a high quality. It has such cool features for finish carpenters, but it’s just low quality and too many of them have blade wobble right out of the box.
Forgot to add, have the DW705 for over 25 years, 75 fricking pounds, I am too old for these heavy saws, I use the DCS361M1 for smaller jobsite trim work...
Once again...a very informative video. Thanks!
So nice of you
I see that red blade on your Kapex, looks to be a Freud. I can't find anything like it, anywhere, only the spendy Festool or Oshlun's you linked to. What/where/how...I'm not a fan of the Oshlun's, would be interested in a Freud.
The Freud is just a regular blade that I had bored out at a sharpening machine shop. I made a video on blades for the Kapex where I mentioned this.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Nice to hear that you are fighting back against Festool's proprietary practices. Like 1/4 hex that isn't quite (they round off the corners!) and non-standard dust holes in sanders. It really is quite blatant. Along with pricing policies that got them fined several million a few years back.
what about the precision of the cuts ? Is it better on the festool ?
Yes it is
I would hardly call that comparison accurate. Why would you cut 4inch base flat.
What about the blade deflection of the KS60? Is it as good as the KS120 or even better?
I haven't used the KS60, but looking at the design it looks like it would be just as good as the KS120.
I don't know why I'm watching this. I'm not buying neither one. My miter saw needs are met by: The Bosch glide arm one, and, a 10 inches Skil. End.
Neither of them? I have run both and after getting the Bosch Axial glide I haven't touched either ever again.
What do you like better about the Axial glide?
@@TheFunnyCarpenter The ease of tilting the head, the accuracy, the zero gravity stand, the fact I can put it against the wall and not have to worry about slide rails hitting, the ability to adjust the tension on the glide mechanism. I also like the quality of the saw over both the Festool and the Dewalt. The Axial glide is bullet proof. I'm not gentle on my equipment, and the Axial glide takes its fair share of abuse and still cuts perfectly every time. Though if we are honest with each other the other 2 are fine, I'm extremely brand loyal and have been using a Bosch saw for a while, I know my saw and dislike swapping from what I know.
@@ericdevarney4089 the bosch is a fantastic saw glad I got mine
I have a DEWALT that is 25 years old looks new and cuts great. Look at Forrest saw blades
I’m not a pro so the Festool is a non starter. I’d think a pro would have to be pretty darn busy to even sniff at $1.5k.
My Dewalt DCD 727 54V Saw make no so much Mess. I use a Dewalt cordet Vacuum and the Couple is great. I doesnt need a Kapex
What about the Bosch miter saw sitting under the kayak? 😆
😁another saw I’ve borrowed from a buddy. I’m thinking I might make a different style video with it. Thinking of doing it vs the Kapex but mostly just different tests and adjustments with less talking- try and get some more cinematic camera shots. Then maybe do one funny-ish type skit comedy situation in the middle. What’s your favourite type of saw review video?
@@TheFunnyCarpenter ha would definitely like to see that bosch in action. I've used a few bosch chop saws, always liked them. I've used the Kapex as well, I can't get over the handle. The only benefit in my opinion to the Kapex is the dust collection. My favorite type of tool videos in general is what's the real world use? You'll never get any to agree with your opinion of a tools unless it's the viewers preferred tool brand. I'm sure you've figured that out by now lol.
The More complicated blade guard on the festool is due to a European regulation regarding operator safety.
Good info, thank you
The Europeans are very afraid of work.
@@paulwhat322 No. Europeans regard safety as important.
Leroy needs his own show
Don’t tell him that, he’ll never stop talking about it!
@@TheFunnyCarpenter lol. Leroy is the best!
what is the nested position?
Crown is upside down against the fence and base of the saw.
2.25 got a desert brewing back there
Not sure there is a point comparing old af compound not sliding mitre saw with new sliding compound mitre saw...
That old af saw is the most common job site saw in North America.
Can you do a comparison on the Kapex and the Bosch? BTW, great content and keep them coming.
I've borrowed the Bosch 12" Axial glide from my friend and am working on a review.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Sweet! Looking forward to hearing the bell on it!
Don't waste your time. The Bosch is best used as a boat anchor.
How new were the blades on each?
Both pretty much the same
How long the brushes lastin kapex ?awesome video
I’m a finish carpenter. Kapex definitely not worth the money . The Dewalt you are comparing to is not good because it doesn’t slide. A 10” or 12” sliding compound Dewalt will cut anything and do it well. As far as dust goes.. well that’s what brooms are for. There will always be a huge mess regardless of the saw.
I bought the Festool Kapex 120 reb with great enthusiasm thinking that I was buying a top quality saw, a serious mistake. The quality of the saw is not in line with its price. Very very disappointed with the best. Infinitely better Makita or Dewalt. Don't waste your money on Festool.
If you do the bosch dust boot upgrade to the dewalt it's dust collection is comparable to the kapex. I run both saws.
That's an excellent point! I'll have to check into that.
You should be using the same blade on each saw for a good dust comparison. One could be flicking dust sideways and the other flicking it backwards.
Good point- although the tooth geometry on both the blades is very close.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Yea i assumed they were much the same. I can't remember who but a UA-camr did a review on blades and how they shoot the dust in which direction which i thought was interesting.
Great video anyway mate, keep it up!
What blade are you using on the Kapex?
I have found that the Vac needs to be more powerful for the DeWalt.
Good job.