After watching the video advert i was still skeptical. But when i finally downloaded the plans ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxZF0EMnrujZvqHhGkxiz559uIABJWR9TG i was very impressed. The whole plan was just as you said in the video. Thank you very much. I now have a large and valuable collection for my woodworks. This is great!
I guess "partnered" is different than hired? Or contracted? Or sponsored? I mean you are affiliated with Festool with some sort of business arrangement, no?
I was really surprised how much cutting power (and torque) this saw had out of the box. I've used other (10" saws) previously and was pretty surprised with the speed and cutting ability of this Dewalt saw.I have bolted mine to a table to minimize movement which I highly recommend.This is a Great saw ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe with a light to see your cutting line (not a laser line).I'd recommend this saw fro anyone looking to upgrade from a 10" miter saw.
Something to consider regarding dust extraction on all of the Kapex models: use the 50 mm diameter hose with the shortest length you can possibly have. Makes a lot of difference in my experience.
@@cloggedpitot1well he didn’t answer you so I will. I love love love my little kapex ksc60 saw and stand. If you force it or bind it, it will cutoff on you but it’s plenty powerful to cut anything you put through it. If you get one, get the UG cart. I actually like the cart more than the saw. It’s the best mobile miter saw station I’ve ever used.
@@jeffpower6473 Thanks for your reply! I had looked at the UG but wasnt sure it was worth the space it would take up in the van. Ill reconsider. Thanks again.
Great in depth review. With the clamping issue..easily solved as you said by having a scrap block on top of the piece being cut. It adds friction to hold the workpiece it in place and.... if using any of the screw style clamps you don't need to wind so far at all. There is no need to tape anything to the clamp.. whatever style.
Thanks Jason. You answered the question that I have right now. I am in one of those garages that has one outlet on a 15amp circuit. This is cheaper for me then to upgrade my electrical. For the trolls that say just update your wiring, you have no idea of my situation so just keep it to yourselves.
That is one of the best reviews I have even seen. It must cover most things one can ask. Most people get hooked on a make, that's fine, there needs to be competition to create advacement. Great video
It certainly seems well engineered. The dustbag only cut is pretty impressive. My DeWalt sucked until I modified it it using Chris Harpster, Benchtop Woodworks' trick. And the systainer as a support is a great idea.
Excellent review. It would be interesting to try one or two battery AC adapters available for Festool hybrid sanders to allow this saw to run on AC power. Attaching the Kapex mounting plate to my table and use removable extensions is a setup that would work in my shop.
Thank you. Great review, best on UA-cam I’ve seen. For the ultra portable miter saw… this is clearly one of the best. I have to mention the Makita 8.5” 40v miter has a slightly higher cut capacity.. but not appreciably so. I feel. Now… someone out there tell me what they think about this saw for a trim carpenter on higher end jobs. 90% of the job is baseboard casing, jamb extensions, crown and wainscoting and wall and ceiling treatments like ship lap. Most of our baseboards these days are 3/4” thick by 5 1/2” tall or 7.125” tall. Casings are usually 3.5” or 5.25”. Crown is usually 4” - 6”. I really like cutting baseboard standing up. I’ve found cutting baseboards laying down is more time consuming, not much ….. however, I’m just not as accurate when cutting base laying down. What do you think? Would this saw be a good job site saw? Yes I know it’s expensive and I wouldn’t leave it overnight except where it’s very safe. I’m getting older, almost 60. I’ll never retire. With age comes a strong desire to reduce weight of tools, increase light on the job site, and truthfully I love LED cut lines. I find they also light up the area around the cut. I’m slowing replacing 100% of my power tools, both corded and cordless. By the time I’m finished selling all I currently have… I have just about every Milwaukee M-18 and M-12 took along with Makita, snd Festool … tools. I just built a new garage shop to our home. It’s not huge, but a nice size for a city. The garage/shop is 30’ deep 28’ wide. 13x30 will have a large Ford Transit Extended High cab in it. Fortunately, we have two more garage bays on the older portion o
Regarding the clamps: you can also use the clamps from the front (on the far left and far right side of the base you just next to the extensions you can see the square holes). That way the Festool / Bessey ratchet clamps will fit on thin stock, too.
@@bentswoodworking actually not, I'd say I use the clamps in front in about 20-30% of cuts that require clamping (depends on your stock width of course, but anything under 10cm it's a pretty useful option, also being able to clamp e.g. a stop blocks + workpiece at the same time)
Jason I shouldn’t say this but you are almost like a wood god, ( no I am not in love with you😀) but your videos have help me a lot I’m my retirement woodworking life. 😀
Good job on explaining the details of this saw. Can't wait to get mine. Like to see the cut capacity cutting crown . I will find out soon enough. Your work shop is nicely setup. Will you be doing a video on the new cordless ct midi dust extractor?
Looks like a good one. Do wish a more viable quick clamp was an option, and they had retained the Systainer compatibility without losing the ability to reference off the MFT grid.
Hey, Jason. I’m just rebuilding my chop saw / drill press station around real cheap tools. Festool is not in my need, or budget. Got a brainwave about work holding from this video. Few dog holes in front & behind the tools will give me some great clamping options. BTW just found Green Suiters. Very entertaining. 👍👍👍
If you have space and power isn’t an issue, I agree. If the opposite is true, I think it’s a great solution. Since I have the 120, it doesn’t make sense. But, for those that don’t, could save some money going with this.
Great review and demonstration, much appreciated. I picture this thing getting bumped and banged in my trailer. Is there any purpose-built case that protects it a little better? Obviously I can make one but I wonder if Festool makes one.
As I stated in the other video (comparing 60 vs 120), the trigger is the only thing I didn't like on this saw. I think it's utterly stupid and awkward with that side push button. If I bought this, I'd superglue that button in about 10 seconds after setting it up. It's a bad design. Beyond that, it was a completely joy to use when demoing it. $.02
Noticed that when you were preparing the saw for transporting you locked the saw down to the table which causes the blade guard to retract leaving the teeth exposed, but your batteries were still in situ. Can the saw be started like this. If not I would assume the batteries require to be removed first
Great review. The Kapex is up next on my list. I'm considering this tool instead of the corded Kapex. Still deciding. And I have a bit of time before I'm going to pull the trigger. For me... I currently have a Kobalt. It takes up a lot of space. I have a really good sized workshop. So I have the space.... but not sure a miter saw is where I want to use that space. I also don't use the miter saw alot. But it's not a tool I am ready to get rid of. I also think that part of the reason... probably the MAIN reason...I use it less is the dust collection. That is super important to me. I don't feel like battery life would be an issue. I have the track saw and have two older batteries and it does fine. But I would want the plus set that comes with two more. This way I have backups. I've wanted another set anyways. Thanks for the review!
It really depends on how much cut size you need. I got a full size kapex 120 since I use it 95% in the shop and the cordless kapex 60 wasn't released yet when I got it. It's a good tool, square from the factory, not too heavy, nearly no deflection etc etc, but more than anything else it's the dust collection that is a HUGE difference compared to other saws. It still does make a bit of dust, it's not magic and not 100%, but it's not even in the same order of magnitude, and is the difference between avoiding using the miter vs routinely use it. When it comes to very fine dust it might even be closer to 100% - it's just a few medium size chips that get pushed a bit around... The kapex is definitely a very expensive tool but the dust collection makes it worth it to me. If used outdoors as a trim saw this aspect is a lot less important of course, so it's not necessarily worth it to everyone ...
It’s a good companion to the DWS779 or DWS780 for average cuts with boards that are 2 inches or less thick. You’d probably end up using that more than the bigger blade Dewalts, however that little Festool can’t cut everything. Sometimes you have to cut crown moulding or 4x4 or 4x6 posts or you’ll need a longer sliding miter saw. That’s when you will need the bigger Dewalts. I will say that Festool is a little too proud of their miter saw when it comes to price. It has too many limitations to cost that much. If they lowered the price so it can be used as a companion saw for smaller jobs they’d sell a lot more. Otherwise buyers will just buy one larger corded saw that can do everything. I would love to have a Festool because it looks easier to handle and use and would probably use it more than my dewalt but it can’t do everything like a DWS780 can. There will be some people with money to blow that will buy it, but at that price I’m not one of them.
It needs to be said that this is the small Kapex with limited capacity...The bigger one has way more capacity for taller base and crown. I have the 120 in the shop but a Makita 1019 for on-site. 1" more height capacity for almost a third of the price
Almost 1000 euros here, 'batteries not included'. Ouch. The Festool tax is high on this one. Wonder how it stacks up against the Bosch Professional corded one at € 280,- which I own.
I disagree about other brands being in trouble. A Kapex will never replace a miter saw like the Dewalt DWS 780 as a production jib site tool. Never happen.
Cool. Keep that thing in the shop or to rough something out on site. You show up to my house with a DWS780 for anything other than a addition and I'm going to show you the door.
@@steppedon Noob alert! I have lots of festool tools , the kapex among them, but to say the dewalt mitter saws are only for rough cuts gives you away as a ...hmm, elitist amateur lol. True professionals know that there are certain situations where the Dewalt is irreplaceable. You try to make cuts on a 7 1/4 stair post with the kapex. God I’m sick of these know it all owners that think that they invented the tail on the apple.
@@steppedon they suck dude. I have one with a burnt up motor and they want 6 hundred to fix it up in Indy. I love my track saw and other festool products but the Kapex is not worth 15 hundo at all. I bought a makita battery saw to replace it. Much better and cheaper😂
@@steppedon you’re obviously a hobbyist or enthusiast with too much money or time on your hands. honestly, I would take a Dewalt Makita or even a Milwaukee over that festool for running crown molding. The fence is too short on the Kpex you can’t cut the crown molding nested and as far as calibration goes, all of those saws can be calibrated within the same tolerances, this is coming from Carpenter of 23 years. The Kapex has some nice features. It is really well-made, but also has some limitation’s.
Festool better be working on a mobile dust extraction. Imagine if they had some 2L attachment that allows for some dust collection without having to be connected to an extractor or shopvac.
@@AaronGeller I would hardly call what they released as "mobile". What I'm talking about is something that would attach to the tool or even a work surface and run off the same battery or a different battery to allow for "true" mobility
@@jseen9568 I guess I don’t understand why you think neither of their mobile solutions are mobile. The CTC is small and lightweight. I don’t think there’d be enough battery power to run that much wattage from the same device.
If you buy the cart for the KSC 60 can you mount a 120 kapex by removing the base that adapts the 60 to the cart? Do you have to buy anything else to mount the 120 to the cart in your video? Both cost $1000 so it would be a pretty big benefit to just buy the one cart if you can use either saw with it. Thanks
@@bentswoodworking Also, excellent review! The KSC 120 is too much a monster for me however, once I saw your review of the KSC 60, I'm getting one! I won't be surprised to see a tide of used KSC 120's on sale on e-bay & a customer rush on the KCS-60.
motor sounds under power just like Dewalt 7 1/4" 20v miter saw with the price I have to pay for one of those i have to try it before purchase , Hardwood will be good to try on this machine
Looks like a very nice unit but having to do 3 motions to use the saw seems a bit excessive. Being in healthcare I see safety as paramount, but at some point it MAY become a liability.
The 40v 8.5in Makita is the competitor to this and it's not heavy at all, and has tons of power. It doesn't have variable speed though. Also, the complete system for this saw with the extensions is far above everything else on the market. I have the 40v 8.5in Makita, But I think I'm going to order this.
@@frenchyroastifyI have my eyes on that Makita 216mm 40v sliding mitre saw. I have the Makita 190mm 36v sliding mitre saw, it's a good saw but the head only bevels one way.
@troyqueen9503 yeah thats fine if ur not cutting 7 5/16 concave crown but u can't cut that on the flat it has to be bedded. If it's just 4 15/16 crown that saws fine but the bigger custom stuff that saw just won't do it and for that kinda price I'll just stick w my dewalt
@Miiike604 yes I do but if I'm going to pay that much for a miter saw it should be able to cut custom crown I can go to harbor freight and buy 1 that will cut base and shoe but u spend ur money however u want.
Wow ive got the original kapex and alot other as well. However way too much. Jeez its a 2k trim saw?? If in the shop not the tool. In the field and a pro, cost/bennefit not there. Come on man. Nobody in trouble, but good review.
This is the cordless version of the KS 60. The 120 is the larger festool saw so why compare between two different saws? Yes in America you apparently don't get the corded ks60 but a quick search will show you the ks60 is not the same saw as the 120. The KS 60 has been out for a long while is a great saw made better by now being cordless but is not the 120.
He made a video comparing the two before this comment. It’s clear to anyone who has any familiarity with the 120 that there are compromises made at the smaller size with the 60
its so depressing that Festool pretend that everything works as a "system" but they consistently miss the opportunity to stay within their own system. this saw should never have a plastic tray it should be using the same base as the battery table saw. it took them two attempts to get those fences right, the first one they made was too short and couldn't manage a full board length for sheet goods. the table saw missed the opportunity to use the box to extend the table size. I have a lot of Festool gear but every time I get a new piece of gear from them I can see they just didn't think it through properly. such a shame
Excellent overview and this video pushed me over the edge in making a purchase decision - I wish that Festool offered you an affiliate link (or I hope that I didn’t miss it when I pulled the trigger! 😮)
Trigger in horrible spot, safety switch won't allow you to preview a precise cut upclose, price point is way off target for the workin man....other brands will definitely survive
Fuuuuuuu these things are expensive. I love quality tools, but seriously. When you are not being sponsored and have to pay for everything out of pocket, cost becomes a huge decision making factor. No?
Great video, you did a fantastic job reviewing it. Thanks for that. As for the saw, not much to get excited about, another very overpriced venture by Festool.
I don’t think it will be that useful for the majority of finish carpenters. I have been in the industry for over 35 years, by the time we get on site there is loads of power. Set up the corded miter saw. It makes no sense to spend that kind of money for a saw that does the exact same thing as a saw you already have.
@@jsowoodworker1265 and that might be the case for finish carpenters, and I’ll grant you that it is (I don’t know one way or the other), there are other carpenters where I could see them using this on site before all the power has been installed.
Everything that makes the kapex 120 reb heads and shoulder above the competition is not present in this saw. This review has not mentioned any of these shortcomings. Disappointed with this tool release. Where is the front bevel handle? Where is the large font and markings for the bevel angle on the back of the saw? We have to bend over every time we adjust the angle to distinguish the very small lines. I actually prefer the laser to the blade shadow light because it maintains its crispness no matter how far the blade is from the material. Where is the quick clamping method that I use so much on the kapex 120? They kept the front rail slides which ironically make less sense on this smaller saw because they limit the height of the material you can cut at a bevel angle. They basically don’t offer anything else over the competition. Rushed release. Plus I hate the stand situation, for this saw and the kapex 120 reb. This is why the germans lost the war lol. They say german engineering, I say over engineering. If I take their saw in the jobsite, first of all getting that stand with the saw attached is a pain. Stairs do exist, dear Festool, and you have to carry that whole frame on the stairs. Plus the jobs don’t all have elevators and there might be rough terrain as the construction is unfinished. You try to haul the saw on the wheels over gravel and boulders or whatever might be between you and the jobsite. Then you have to set up the stand, then attach the sides, one leg per side, never as strong as two legs per side. By the time I set up the saw and read two text messages that I received, the work day is over. That is why I use the dewalt stand and I adapted it to the kapex. In their advertising pictures you always see a guy using the saw, everything around him nice and smooth, ideal situation for the stand that he is using. How did he get there? This always irked me. Reality is a little different. You are missing on a lot potential customers by overlooking this.
For a company that has great ergonomics for all their tools, kapex is not great. Take half that money and you can get a saw that is really close to the Kapex. The extra money is not worth is.
Amazing job on the review, as usual, another overpriced Festool. I think the shadow line is the greatest feature this tool has, not sure I need it for $1k though.
After watching the video advert i was still skeptical. But when i finally downloaded the plans ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxZF0EMnrujZvqHhGkxiz559uIABJWR9TG i was very impressed. The whole plan was just as you said in the video. Thank you very much. I now have a large and valuable collection for my woodworks. This is great!
Wow, thank you much for putting this together. This video is by far the most in depth review on the KSC 60.
Festool needs to hire you. You are better than any other demonstrator I have seen. Thank you.
That’s a great compliment. Thank you
I guess "partnered" is different than hired? Or contracted? Or sponsored? I mean you are affiliated with Festool with some sort of business arrangement, no?
I was really surprised how much cutting power (and torque) this saw had out of the box. I've used other (10" saws) previously and was pretty surprised with the speed and cutting ability of this Dewalt saw.I have bolted mine to a table to minimize movement which I highly recommend.This is a Great saw ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe with a light to see your cutting line (not a laser line).I'd recommend this saw fro anyone looking to upgrade from a 10" miter saw.
I use the cord version of this saw since a year+: Simply great!
Thank you very much for the accurate review. I've just bought it! Greetings from Geneva Switzerland..
Hope you enjoy it!
Something to consider regarding dust extraction on all of the Kapex models: use the 50 mm diameter hose with the shortest length you can possibly have. Makes a lot of difference in my experience.
I have mine 8 months ago, in germany ksc is long time aviable. Good tool. But i using the csc sys 50 more now. Cross cut and rip cut in one tool👍
Just got my total package in today. Sweet set up. I hope you're getting commission😊Thanks Jason!!
How do you like it? Any issues with power? Heard rumors of them being underpowered? Im not sure if thats true and am looking to buy one.
@@cloggedpitot1well he didn’t answer you so I will.
I love love love my little kapex ksc60 saw and stand.
If you force it or bind it, it will cutoff on you but it’s plenty powerful to cut anything you put through it.
If you get one, get the UG cart. I actually like the cart more than the saw. It’s the best mobile miter saw station I’ve ever used.
@@jeffpower6473 Thanks for your reply! I had looked at the UG but wasnt sure it was worth the space it would take up in the van. Ill reconsider. Thanks again.
@@jeffpower6473 Thank you for your reply! Interesting feedback on the UG, Ill look into it.
Great in depth review. With the clamping issue..easily solved as you said by having a scrap block on top of the piece being cut. It adds friction to hold the workpiece it in place and.... if using any of the screw style clamps you don't need to wind so far at all. There is no need to tape anything to the clamp.. whatever style.
Thanks Jason, great video and has certainly helped to inform me.
Very good overview Jason, thanks for taking the time to do this video.
You’re welcome
@@bentswoodworking I have the Kapex for little more then 4 years and love it. Zero regret!
Great overview jason! this thing is gonna be a game changer for home renovations
Absolutely. That’s what I’m most excited about!
Thanks Jason. You answered the question that I have right now. I am in one of those garages that has one outlet on a 15amp circuit. This is cheaper for me then to upgrade my electrical. For the trolls that say just update your wiring, you have no idea of my situation so just keep it to yourselves.
Glad you found it helpful
Best ksc 60 video I have seen. Great job!
Great job. This was one of these reviews for-well-any tool. Bravo!
That is one of the best reviews I have even seen. It must cover most things one can ask. Most people get hooked on a make, that's fine, there needs to be competition to create advacement.
Great video
I was hoping you'd show the dust captured by the Bag, Well Done!
It certainly seems well engineered. The dustbag only cut is pretty impressive. My DeWalt sucked until I modified it it using Chris Harpster, Benchtop Woodworks' trick. And the systainer as a support is a great idea.
Excellent review. It would be interesting to try one or two battery AC adapters available for Festool hybrid sanders to allow this saw to run on AC power. Attaching the Kapex mounting plate to my table and use removable extensions is a setup that would work in my shop.
is that confirmed to work?
I REALLY wish we could have seen the leveling knobs.
Great overview Jason and thanks for sharing!!
You’re welcome buddy
In the clamping options section, you can also clamp from the front, not just the rear
True, I should have mentioned that. However, I think the front clamping scenarios may be few and far between
@@bentswoodworking. Maybe, but on narrower stock, it's invaluable & much easier to use than the rear. Plus you can use the ratchet clamps.
Great video!!! love how you cover the details. Wish you woud do a comparison video of the new Kapex 60 vs 120.
Maybe I will 😉
@@bentswoodworking please do!
Really nice to see the stuff you’re NOT too happy with too 👍🏽 great review
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you. Great review, best on UA-cam I’ve seen.
For the ultra portable miter saw… this is clearly one of the best. I have to mention the Makita 8.5” 40v miter has a slightly higher cut capacity.. but not appreciably so. I feel.
Now… someone out there tell me what they think about this saw for a trim carpenter on higher end jobs. 90% of the job is baseboard casing, jamb extensions, crown and wainscoting and wall and ceiling treatments like ship lap.
Most of our baseboards these days are 3/4” thick by 5 1/2” tall or 7.125” tall. Casings are usually 3.5” or 5.25”. Crown is usually 4” - 6”.
I really like cutting baseboard standing up. I’ve found cutting baseboards laying down is more time consuming, not much ….. however, I’m just not as accurate when cutting base laying down.
What do you think? Would this saw be a good job site saw? Yes I know it’s expensive and I wouldn’t leave it overnight except where it’s very safe.
I’m getting older, almost 60. I’ll never retire. With age comes a strong desire to reduce weight of tools, increase light on the job site, and truthfully I love LED cut lines. I find they also light up the area around the cut.
I’m slowing replacing 100% of my power tools, both corded and cordless. By the time I’m finished selling all I currently have… I have just about every Milwaukee M-18 and M-12 took along with Makita, snd Festool … tools.
I just built a new garage shop to our home. It’s not huge, but a nice size for a city. The garage/shop is 30’ deep 28’ wide. 13x30 will have a large Ford Transit Extended High cab in it. Fortunately, we have two more garage bays on the older portion o
Great review. You could double stick a small block to the bottom of the ratchet clamp so it will reach a thinner piece of material.
Saw this thing a Cerritos. Amazing how much power it has for such a little saw. Cut through 8/4 oak like butta
Yeah, powerful saw
Regarding the clamps: you can also use the clamps from the front (on the far left and far right side of the base you just next to the extensions you can see the square holes). That way the Festool / Bessey ratchet clamps will fit on thin stock, too.
True, I should have mentioned that. However, I think the front clamping scenarios may be few and far between
@@bentswoodworking actually not, I'd say I use the clamps in front in about 20-30% of cuts that require clamping (depends on your stock width of course, but anything under 10cm it's a pretty useful option, also being able to clamp e.g. a stop blocks + workpiece at the same time)
What a complete review...!! (as usual) Thank you..!!
Glad you liked it!
Great review and tour. Thanks 🙂
Wish these saws had stops on the bevel at 33.9 and 30.
Up front bevel adjustment
Thanks Bent…well done review!
You’re welcome
Wow the portability factor is huge on this
Excellent demo 👌
Jason I shouldn’t say this but you are almost like a wood god, ( no I am not in love with you😀) but your videos have help me a lot I’m my retirement woodworking life. 😀
Glad to help
Great video, very informative and useful details - Thanks!
Glad you found it helpful
Good job on explaining the details of this saw. Can't wait to get mine. Like to see the cut capacity cutting crown . I will find out soon enough. Your work shop is nicely setup. Will you be doing a video on the new cordless ct midi dust extractor?
Thanks for the thorough review sedge better watch out😅
He can’t be replaced Joe 🤣
Cannot wait to get these in our Louisville Woodcraft store!Love Festool.
My buddy works there 👍
Looks like a good one. Do wish a more viable quick clamp was an option, and they had retained the Systainer compatibility without losing the ability to reference off the MFT grid.
If you put the spacers underneath to be in line with a Systainer, it will still reference the MFT holes
Sold. Getting one off this review.
Hey, Jason. I’m just rebuilding my chop saw / drill press station around real cheap tools. Festool is not in my need, or budget. Got a brainwave about work holding from this video. Few dog holes in front & behind the tools will give me some great clamping options.
BTW just found Green Suiters. Very entertaining. 👍👍👍
Glad you’re enjoying the podcast!
Excellent and informative video. Keep up the great work!
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Great for on site finish carpenters but hard to see the purpose of a battery powered one in a shop (if you have the space)
If you have space and power isn’t an issue, I agree. If the opposite is true, I think it’s a great solution. Since I have the 120, it doesn’t make sense. But, for those that don’t, could save some money going with this.
@@bentswoodworking Didn't realize you guys don't have the corded KS60, in that case this could definitely be a great option for a shop too.
Brilliant review ❤
Excellent overview, Bent. Just one correction: 80 millimeter is around 3 inch 3/16, not as you mentioned 2 plus.
Great review and demonstration, much appreciated.
I picture this thing getting bumped and banged in my trailer. Is there any purpose-built case that protects it a little better? Obviously I can make one but I wonder if Festool makes one.
Festool does not make any separate protection
I have the Makita 8 1/2 XGT. One battery. They seem to be very close to each other.
Gonna pass on this but I’d be interested in the festool cordless table saw , is that coming to America
It is, later this year hopefully
Wow, looks like my DeWalt track saw clamps will work just perfectly with this saw. Saving my penny's.
Forgive me, but I have to ask. Have you ever made a workshop comparison?
As I stated in the other video (comparing 60 vs 120), the trigger is the only thing I didn't like on this saw. I think it's utterly stupid and awkward with that side push button. If I bought this, I'd superglue that button in about 10 seconds after setting it up. It's a bad design. Beyond that, it was a completely joy to use when demoing it. $.02
Damn shame Festool didnt think to embed levels into the wings,
and that measurements we not consistantly given in BOTH inch and metric.
Perfect video Thank you
Noticed that when you were preparing the saw for transporting you locked the saw down to the table which causes the blade guard to retract leaving the teeth exposed, but your batteries were still in situ. Can the saw be started like this. If not I would assume the batteries require to be removed first
It's a nice miter saw but it's a shame that it only comes in a cordless version.
Please please do a compare video of this with the 120
Coming out this week!
@@bentswoodworking You are a Hero sir
Great review. The Kapex is up next on my list. I'm considering this tool instead of the corded Kapex. Still deciding. And I have a bit of time before I'm going to pull the trigger. For me... I currently have a Kobalt. It takes up a lot of space. I have a really good sized workshop. So I have the space.... but not sure a miter saw is where I want to use that space. I also don't use the miter saw alot. But it's not a tool I am ready to get rid of. I also think that part of the reason... probably the MAIN reason...I use it less is the dust collection. That is super important to me. I don't feel like battery life would be an issue. I have the track saw and have two older batteries and it does fine. But I would want the plus set that comes with two more. This way I have backups. I've wanted another set anyways. Thanks for the review!
It really depends on how much cut size you need. I got a full size kapex 120 since I use it 95% in the shop and the cordless kapex 60 wasn't released yet when I got it. It's a good tool, square from the factory, not too heavy, nearly no deflection etc etc, but more than anything else it's the dust collection that is a HUGE difference compared to other saws. It still does make a bit of dust, it's not magic and not 100%, but it's not even in the same order of magnitude, and is the difference between avoiding using the miter vs routinely use it. When it comes to very fine dust it might even be closer to 100% - it's just a few medium size chips that get pushed a bit around...
The kapex is definitely a very expensive tool but the dust collection makes it worth it to me. If used outdoors as a trim saw this aspect is a lot less important of course, so it's not necessarily worth it to everyone ...
What is the blade size?
Have you ever compared it to the corded version? Is there a difference in power?
It’s a good companion to the DWS779 or DWS780 for average cuts with boards that are 2 inches or less thick. You’d probably end up using that more than the bigger blade Dewalts, however that little Festool can’t cut everything. Sometimes you have to cut crown moulding or 4x4 or 4x6 posts or you’ll need a longer sliding miter saw. That’s when you will need the bigger Dewalts.
I will say that Festool is a little too proud of their miter saw when it comes to price. It has too many limitations to cost that much. If they lowered the price so it can be used as a companion saw for smaller jobs they’d sell a lot more. Otherwise buyers will just buy one larger corded saw that can do everything. I would love to have a Festool because it looks easier to handle and use and would probably use it more than my dewalt but it can’t do everything like a DWS780 can. There will be some people with money to blow that will buy it, but at that price I’m not one of them.
Could I run this saw effectively on the MW 1000? Thanks for the review and I’m intrigued by the small shop potential of the KSC 60. Cheers!
29:05 would've hoped for 4 cuts on a 45 and all joined together
Are they going to put out this saw but corded? I like the small saw but am not ever going to buy a battery powered saw.
I don’t know of any plans like that
It needs to be said that this is the small Kapex with limited capacity...The bigger one has way more capacity for taller base and crown. I have the 120 in the shop but a Makita 1019 for on-site. 1" more height capacity for almost a third of the price
Please compare to a Milwaukee 7 1/4 mitre saw, thanks
Almost 1000 euros here, 'batteries not included'. Ouch. The Festool tax is high on this one. Wonder how it stacks up against the Bosch Professional corded one at € 280,- which I own.
First Class review
Don’t you have the corded KS60 in North America?
We do not
I disagree about other brands being in trouble. A Kapex will never replace a miter saw like the Dewalt DWS 780 as a production jib site tool. Never happen.
Cool. Keep that thing in the shop or to rough something out on site. You show up to my house with a DWS780 for anything other than a addition and I'm going to show you the door.
@@steppedon Noob alert! I have lots of festool tools , the kapex among them, but to say the dewalt mitter saws are only for rough cuts gives you away as a ...hmm, elitist amateur lol. True professionals know that there are certain situations where the Dewalt is irreplaceable. You try to make cuts on a 7 1/4 stair post with the kapex. God I’m sick of these know it all owners that think that they invented the tail on the apple.
@@steppedon they suck dude. I have one with a burnt up motor and they want 6 hundred to fix it up in Indy. I love my track saw and other festool products but the Kapex is not worth 15 hundo at all. I bought a makita battery saw to replace it. Much better and cheaper😂
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@steppedon you’re obviously a hobbyist or enthusiast with too much money or time on your hands. honestly, I would take a Dewalt Makita or even a Milwaukee over that festool for running crown molding. The fence is too short on the Kpex you can’t cut the crown molding nested and as far as calibration goes, all of those saws can be calibrated within the same tolerances, this is coming from Carpenter of 23 years. The Kapex has some nice features. It is really well-made, but also has some limitation’s.
Where did you buy that aluminum straight edge ?
It’s UJK and I got it form TSO products
Festool better be working on a mobile dust extraction.
Imagine if they had some 2L attachment that allows for some dust collection without having to be connected to an extractor or shopvac.
They've released two mobile dust extractors this year already
@@AaronGeller I would hardly call what they released as "mobile".
What I'm talking about is something that would attach to the tool or even a work surface and run off the same battery or a different battery to allow for "true" mobility
@@jseen9568 I guess I don’t understand why you think neither of their mobile solutions are mobile. The CTC is small and lightweight. I don’t think there’d be enough battery power to run that much wattage from the same device.
If you buy the cart for the KSC 60 can you mount a 120 kapex by removing the base that adapts the 60 to the cart? Do you have to buy anything else to mount the 120 to the cart in your video? Both cost $1000 so it would be a pretty big benefit to just buy the one cart if you can use either saw with it. Thanks
Yes its the same cart
Been meaning to ask... are you a former DI ?
I was at Ft. Benning GA... (Ft 'Beginning' as some joke)
Yes, I was a DS is 1-50 from 12-15
@@bentswoodworking Also, excellent review!
The KSC 120 is too much a monster for me however, once I saw your review of the KSC 60, I'm getting one!
I won't be surprised to see a tide of used KSC 120's on sale on e-bay & a customer rush on the KCS-60.
motor sounds under power just like Dewalt 7 1/4" 20v miter saw with the price I have to pay for one of those i have to try it before purchase , Hardwood will be good to try on this machine
Other brands are in trouble, I don't think so. It's Festool, made well and price for only the wealthy. Pricing will always hurt Festool.
Looks like a very nice unit but having to do 3 motions to use the saw seems a bit excessive. Being in healthcare I see safety as paramount, but at some point it MAY become a liability.
It’s fairly natural after using it a couple times
I just don't understand a cordless, battery powered miter saw. Makes no sense to me, but what do I know... I'm old.
Honestly I love the Makita cordless but it’s just so heavy for my use and it’s not that user friendly. This might honesty be a worthy contender
It’s an impressive miter saw
I use the 8 1/2" 40 v cordless. It's awesome and very light.
The 40v 8.5in Makita is the competitor to this and it's not heavy at all, and has tons of power. It doesn't have variable speed though. Also, the complete system for this saw with the extensions is far above everything else on the market.
I have the 40v 8.5in Makita, But I think I'm going to order this.
Thanks man
@@frenchyroastifyI have my eyes on that Makita 216mm 40v sliding mitre saw. I have the Makita 190mm 36v sliding mitre saw, it's a good saw but the head only bevels one way.
? Does the dust bag fit the 120 ?
I don’t see why it wouldn’t. It’s the same dust port connection I believe
@@bentswoodworking do you no if it’s available to buy ? Now ?
@@bentswoodworking I found the dust bag would you try it on your 120 and let us no if it clears everything when you change the saw’s position’s thnx
Why not just make those "additional feet" standard. Silly.
The additional feet that raise the saw height?
100% agree! Just another way of squeezing more money out of someone that has already spent a lot of money on a very expensive miter saw.
Great a miter saw that won't cut custom crown I'm sure it's GREAT for base and shoe though!
I always cut my crown on the flat.
@troyqueen9503 yeah thats fine if ur not cutting 7 5/16 concave crown but u can't cut that on the flat it has to be bedded. If it's just 4 15/16 crown that saws fine but the bigger custom stuff that saw just won't do it and for that kinda price I'll just stick w my dewalt
You don’t own multiple saws for dedicated purposes? Odd.
@Miiike604 yes I do but if I'm going to pay that much for a miter saw it should be able to cut custom crown I can go to harbor freight and buy 1 that will cut base and shoe but u spend ur money however u want.
@@davidjohnston7.62x51 fair point. Understood.
Wow ive got the original kapex and alot other as well. However way too much. Jeez its a 2k trim saw?? If in the shop not the tool. In the field and a pro, cost/bennefit not there. Come on man. Nobody in trouble, but good review.
Still the best when they are working
This is the cordless version of the KS 60. The 120 is the larger festool saw so why compare between two different saws? Yes in America you apparently don't get the corded ks60 but a quick search will show you the ks60 is not the same saw as the 120. The KS 60 has been out for a long while is a great saw made better by now being cordless but is not the 120.
He made a video comparing the two before this comment. It’s clear to anyone who has any familiarity with the 120 that there are compromises made at the smaller size with the 60
its so depressing that Festool pretend that everything works as a "system" but they consistently miss the opportunity to stay within their own system. this saw should never have a plastic tray it should be using the same base as the battery table saw. it took them two attempts to get those fences right, the first one they made was too short and couldn't manage a full board length for sheet goods. the table saw missed the opportunity to use the box to extend the table size. I have a lot of Festool gear but every time I get a new piece of gear from them I can see they just didn't think it through properly. such a shame
Excellent overview and this video pushed me over the edge in making a purchase decision - I wish that Festool offered you an affiliate link (or I hope that I didn’t miss it when I pulled the trigger! 😮)
Trigger in horrible spot, safety switch won't allow you to preview a precise cut upclose, price point is way off target for the workin man....other brands will definitely survive
Fuuuuuuu these things are expensive. I love quality tools, but seriously. When you are not being sponsored and have to pay for everything out of pocket, cost becomes a huge decision making factor. No?
nice detailed commercial
everything my dewalt saw does at half the price and without the akward handle position
I am a finish carpenter/ contractor. I just see a big expensive and not much return! It’s for hobby guys with money!
Same, with the saw and the wings the kapex platform is incredible. Just as a saw it’s sort of just the same as everything else
There’s no such thing as a 12” Kapex. Biggest is 10”.
Great video, you did a fantastic job reviewing it. Thanks for that. As for the saw, not much to get excited about, another very overpriced venture by Festool.
Overpriced in what way? Price is one of many factors for those who use this full time.
I don’t think it will be that useful for the majority of finish carpenters. I have been in the industry for over 35 years, by the time we get on site there is loads of power. Set up the corded miter saw. It makes no sense to spend that kind of money for a saw that does the exact same thing as a saw you already have.
@@jsowoodworker1265 and that might be the case for finish carpenters, and I’ll grant you that it is (I don’t know one way or the other), there are other carpenters where I could see them using this on site before all the power has been installed.
all i can say is thank you for your service but festool isnt on a grunts pay grade have a good life
What was the point of this comment? Many people can afford to get ahold of festool products if they so desire
Everything that makes the kapex 120 reb heads and shoulder above the competition is not present in this saw. This review has not mentioned any of these shortcomings. Disappointed with this tool release. Where is the front bevel handle? Where is the large font and markings for the bevel angle on the back of the saw? We have to bend over every time we adjust the angle to distinguish the very small lines. I actually prefer the laser to the blade shadow light because it maintains its crispness no matter how far the blade is from the material. Where is the quick clamping method that I use so much on the kapex 120? They kept the front rail slides which ironically make less sense on this smaller saw because they limit the height of the material you can cut at a bevel angle. They basically don’t offer anything else over the competition. Rushed release. Plus I hate the stand situation, for this saw and the kapex 120 reb. This is why the germans lost the war lol. They say german engineering, I say over engineering. If I take their saw in the jobsite, first of all getting that stand with the saw attached is a pain. Stairs do exist, dear Festool, and you have to carry that whole frame on the stairs. Plus the jobs don’t all have elevators and there might be rough terrain as the construction is unfinished. You try to haul the saw on the wheels over gravel and boulders or whatever might be between you and the jobsite. Then you have to set up the stand, then attach the sides, one leg per side, never as strong as two legs per side. By the time I set up the saw and read two text messages that I received, the work day is over. That is why I use the dewalt stand and I adapted it to the kapex. In their advertising pictures you always see a guy using the saw, everything around him nice and smooth, ideal situation for the stand that he is using. How did he get there? This always irked me. Reality is a little different. You are missing on a lot potential customers by overlooking this.
This saw is technically 6 years old
For a company that has great ergonomics for all their tools, kapex is not great. Take half that money and you can get a saw that is really close to the Kapex. The extra money is not worth is.
Amazing job on the review, as usual, another overpriced Festool. I think the shadow line is the greatest feature this tool has, not sure I need it for $1k though.