Festool KS 120 REB
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
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Larger Extension Tables
To start Festool upgraded their slide-out extension tables, making their footprint bigger and better stability. They also put the MiterFast finder at the rear of the tool. The MiterFast makes the transfer of inside and outside angles from the workpiece to the saw quick and easy without complex angle calculations.
Dust Collection - Locking Hose Connection
Festool plans to make this upgrade on all their dust ports moving forward. The new connection is effective at collecting dust and now allows the hose to lock in place and prevent accidental disconnects. The hose port accommodates 27mm inside diameter and 36 mm outside diameter.
Pro Tip - We found that the Kapex has the best dust extraction when you cut/shorten your hose length to 6 feet and use a 36mm Festool hose.
Electronic Brake
The 1,600-Watt motor in the Kapex utilizes direct drive for a more efficient transfer of energy to the blade. The motor also has a magnetic brake to reduce the time needed for the blade to spin down. The electric brake that will stop the blade with in 3-seconds. This brake has a magnet around the armature, there are no contact points, and will not wear down over time.
Rail Forward design
The Kapex features a rail forward design which increases precision and creates a compact footprint. With a rail-forward design, the Kpaex REB can be placed against a wall for all cutting tasks, maximizing the work space. The rails are 30 mm in diameter and wide apart. They were redesigned to further reduce deflection and head play, especially when tilted to a 45-degree bevel. The rail forward design has long been a favorite in the shop and in tight working locations, like up against a wall. It also assists when transporting or storing the saw.
Portability
The saw weighs (47 pounds) allowing the Kapex REB easy to move around the job site. The Kapex's head locks down making it compact and preventing head movement. A two-handle location keep the Kapex REB close to your center of gravity which allows for a safer way to carry the saw.
Counter Spring Balanced Bevel
When adjusting the bevel on the Kapex REB a counter spring balances the saw head. This keeps the saw head in position even when it is not locked in place. This makes dialing in a micro-bevel angle adjustment easier and more accurate.
Bevel Lock Knob
Since we’re talking about bevels, it’s hard to overlook the Kapex REB “Bevel Lock Knob.” The knob conveniently located on the top of the Kapex REB to control the bevel positive detents and to lock the bevel angle. The bevel knob has three settings: positive detents at 0 and -45 degrees, free movement between -45 and +45 degrees and free movement up to 47 degrees. Bevels can be made to the left or right and the bevel gauge appears on both sides of the saw. You DO need to remove the fence in order to achieve a 45 degree bevel - man I wish that weren’t necessary.
Special Cutting Position
If I said you can have a 12” miter saw in a 10” blade would you take it?
One thing I learned about the Kapex REB is that it has a “special cutting position” that, locks the saw head in and allows a deeper cut at the fence. When employed, it provides greater than usual cutting capacity by utilizing the back portion of the blade more effectively. A lever controls this features and allows you to cut crown molding up to 6-5/8" in the nested position and vertical cuts 4-3/4" x 3/4"
Crown Stop with Base Extension
Sold as an optional accessory, the Crown Stop with Base Extension (494 369) attaches to the left and right of the Kapex using a V-Groove and locking knob providing additional support surface and aiding in the utilization of the special cut position. The crown stop allows the Kapex to be used in the special cutting position to cut crown molding up to 6-5/8" in the nested position.
Dual-line lasers
A favorite feature of ours is the dual-line laser. The laser is adjustable and projects a dual-line to either side of the blade to accurately define the cut area for precise cut placement.
This laser has spring-loaded carriages inside the tool that protect the laser during transport. One tip that a lot of folks don’t know is that the laser lens can be cleaned over time for better visibility.
Another unique feature of the Kapex is a special trenching capability. Simply flip the green trenching lever forward, and a twist to set cut depth. This features can be used to cut kerfs and trenches to create lap joints, dados or bend a board.
Conclusion
We think the Festool Kapex REQ makes sense for contractors looking for a high quality, precision tool that was designed to deliver functionality. - Навчання та стиль
Bought a damaged late model Kapex off Craigslist. Took it to the dealer to see about repairs. They had a fitted shipping crate on hand (Festool requires that of dealers) to ship the saw to the Indiana repair facility for $50 each way. When I returned to pick up the repaired saw I felt sick when I saw the long list of parts replaced and adjustments made. But get this: even though I was not the original purchaser, all the repair charges and shipping were free because the saw was less than 3 years old. That alone takes the sting out of Festool's high prices.
Mark Koons until the warranty wears out and the saw costs $800 to fix + $100 shipping cost?
@@mitchellkasdin1899 That would take the fun out of Festool, wouldn't it? I find myself wondering whether Festool failures are mostly attributable to out-of-shop, job site damage. Anyone care to share their insight on this matter?
Mark Koons 12 year old kapex 120 sent in for preset accuracy adjustment. Ended up with recommending we replace the fence. Over the 12 years this was the 4th time sent in for repair. Don't know what the other three were for. Really felt like they were taking advantage of the situation. Hobbyist left it in the same place in his work shop the entire 12 years.
@@whoDatBeDare That would make you hate them, huh? It's hard to imagine why the fence would need replaced. I don't know what pieces are available for owners to purchase but I know some essential parts are not for sale to the public. Between Festool, Felder, and German auto manufacturers, my opinion of their business practices is negative and generally I'd select the better Japanese products.
I had my Kapex for 14 years love it
I am DIY, I love this saw. It is so precise and enabled me to do what professionals do with more accuracy. And the handle is very intuitive. The handle is not on the side of the blade but in the line of cut. It won’t shift the blade to the side no matter what.
Your a DIY’r and you spent $1500 on a saw that’s meant for contractors and professional finish carpenters...
@@trevorm7013 probably saved that $1500 on the first big job he did by doing it himself and not hiring someone. Paid for itself in that case.
Buy the best tools you can afford, otherwise you’ll always blame the tool when in reality it is you own skills that need to be honed.
@@dennispope8160 I have a Milwaukee miter saw and it’s great but no matter what saw I use when my miters suck I swear it’s the saws fault 😂
That micro beveling is amazing.
@@trevorm7013 I have found that getting really accurate miters can depend on the wood itself as in if the wood has been squared up to perfection with jointer and planer. Once I took the time to process the wood, even if it looked squared, the miters came out way better.
I’ve had mine 9 years. Beaten the shit out of it in the rain. Framing anything. Only just blow out the Motor. Sent it for repair £276 including £34 of labour! lots of new parts fantastic service!
I have the mark 1 in my shop and love it. It's accurate and the dust extraction is as good as I've ever seen on a mitre saw. It is eye wateringly expnsive though!
On a serious note I have watched alot of your review videos and you do a really kick ass job on them. Keep it up
Awesome sliding miter saw. Just wish i could afford one. Thanks for showing it , Rob !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great review.
I always like how thorough you and the team insist on being, it's what sets you apart from other channels that just want to read out the spec sheet and do 30 seconds of the tool powered on /s.
Thumbs up.
I appreciate that!
100%
Nice machine thanks for teaching us personally I appreciate it
Great review as usual, thanks!
Rob, you and crew do a thorough job when you do reviews! I have had some different experiences, yes. I have seen some misses to, but maybe I am very annoyed when manufacturers miss what I see as obvious misses on function and user-friendliness.
One of those "misses" is the obvious inability to use the kerf cutting function properly because the saw arbor does not meet or cross the plane of the back fence! The blade is rising behind the arbor and you will never have a proper dado or rabet across the width of a board without a "spacer" to allow the arbor centerline to meet or cross the back edge!I
I have made my own "accessory" for my rail and axial 12" Bosch mitersaws. No tools, no screws, but accurate and solid hold to my back fence. Aids in dust collection too!
Btw, when I began in the trade, the best motorized mitersaw was a 9" Rockwell with a wood bed! Carbide blades were not invented yet!
I dont own a Mercedes but I do have my own staircase company and this tool blows the rest away for accuracy and micro adjustment, quite simply the best chop saw I have ever had.
i have owned many compound miter saws, Dewalt, Bosch, Hitachi and many Makitas including the newer LS 1019 L and the Kapex is the only saw that gives me table saw accuracy. Like many, i couldn't justify the price fought purchasing for years, but i do not regret it at all, it was money well spent. i find that the blades on their saws are great too, both on the Kapex and the track saws..thanks for the .great review!
I use mine for second fix carpentry and cabinetry same as you. Plus it’s so light for its size and capabilities.
LOVE my Kapex. Honestly, one of my favorite day-to-day features compared to my old Dewalts is the hold down clamps. Those screw type ones from other saws take so long to be actually useful. The Kapex clamps with their quick release mech is genius.
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Another very well put together review, Rob! Its exciting to read the comments on this one because of all the controversy over price, ergonomics, and design. I've never used any Festool and have been planning to buy a Dewalt DWS780, but this makes me want to at least play around with the other brands' models before I commit. I would really like to know what your guys think of the kapex and other tools that you review outside of the head to heads. It helps to get all angles positive and negative to try to avoid surprises on a big purchase. Although, I understand if you are wary of letting other people drive your Mercedes.
The efficient dust collection alone is well worth the investment.
Always enjoy your content Rob!
At our shop we have 3 different sanders, ts75, Domino, and 4 midi's..All Festool.
Other then capacity, I prefer my cordless Makita x2 tracksaw vs ts75.
Everyone grabs my cordless Makita x2 10 inch mitersaw over the Bosch x glide (which I absolutely despise) .
Bosch has the GET75, which is comparable to the rotex.
We have started, using Mirka 1 sander, which quit working after 3 months (trying to get it warrantied at the present) .
My point is Festool charges a premium for their innovative tools, problem is other companies are catching up to them.
At a huge reduction in price.
The handle,cords, and price would keep me from buying the kapax.
Corded tools need to be better in absolutely every way for me to pay 2x,2.5 isn't an option.
I love quality tools, and now many companies make them!
Excellent review appreciate the insight.
Glad it was helpful!
I clicked to hear about the new Kapex... but my eyes were fixed on that _Board Flattening Router Jig???..._ behind you! Gonna go search your channel for that!
Great review !! Appreciate it.
Thanks for watching!
Didn't mention the most important change in the newer model imho which is the motor improvements. They have increased the power and hopefully improved the notorious motor failure that has plagued this saw. I sent mine in before the 2 year cutoff after talking to them at AWFS in Vegas. They replaced the motor with the newer one at no charge and what a difference in power. It doesn't bog down nearly as bad and so far so good!
always like your videos'......have one myself...love it
Great vid, Rob. Thanks. I think the Kapex is a 'one-step forward and one-step-back' kind of saw. Great features but cost and dependability make it 'time to look at Makita, Metabo, Milwaukee and DeWalt. Festool will become Fein if they are not careful.
Ive had the Kapex for somewhere around 4 years. I use it for all applications and currently framing inside of a 120 year old condemned remodel building. I treat this saw like your guys treat your tools. I posted some pics on the festool owners group on the topic of toughness. I strap it to the boom lift with a sysvac to work on the oriel windows and we know how jerky a boom can be and the compact design makes it easy to work right in the basket. All 45's cut side to side duue to wide 1x so the fences are off.
Bottom line.
I beat on this saw like any other tool and it is still accurate. It aint all shined up like every other youtubers kapex tho. and my festool sanders... they take the worst abuse of all.
My point i guess?
Its a good saw and the ability to flip a switch to bevel side too side instantly alone is worth the money.
To the knuckleheads that say its all plastic. Show me any scms that isnt covered in a plastic shell
12 inch kapex . Will be great
Nice. Here's another one for you. Deck screws, epoxy or ceramic coated. What's the best. I know there was a point the "Deckmate" changed who the manufacturer was. I remember calling to talk to the original manufacturer before the contact info was fixed. This was when they switched to that Torx-25 bit. The manufacturer told me that Home Depot had flipped the contract to save money and I am convinced the newer product is inferior. Any time I've pulled an old deckmate (combo PH2/SQ2) out of an exterior project, it's hardly showing signs of rust. With the "newer" deckmates, they're extremely rusted and even sometimes the heads snap off when trying to back them out. You guys do great reviews. What's the best ceramic coated screw? I bet you guys would do a great comprehensive comparison. These are expensive so it would be nice to make the right choice going forward.
nice and good video !
I'll take your word for it. Me personally I can't wrap my mind around the handle position.
How do you hold a handsaw? Can you imagine cutting staight with a handsaw that has it's handle on the side?
Part of the precision of the cuts comes from your hand not skewing or misaligning the blade. If you think the machine should prevent misalignment under any force, you're terribly wrong. If you where to build such a thing, the saw would be twice as big and 4 times as heavy.
Better buy one now if you think they’re already too expensive. Heard Festool is increasing prices April 1st.
At 1/3 the $$$, I’m pretty happy with my 10” Bosch that has the folding guide system - but I would be interested in a head to head of miter saws that have guide forward designs.
Which model - Bosch does a nice job
A Concord Carpenter / ToolBoxBuzz: CM10GD is the one I have. Would be interested viewing some head to head tests that include deflection when the saws tilted - I think that may be a weak area for a lot of these saws (bosch included)
Doesn’t look like dust collection is all that great at 0:15 - agree on the sound of the motor. We do appreciate your reviews Rob! Just personally not a fan of the Festool, lot of money for not a big increase in function.
0verboosted tons of money..... don’t get hung up on one clip, it’s entirely possibly the vac was off
Just curious to how many Festool tools you have used and for how many years you used them to come up with your not much more functionality comment?
@@williamsmith9026 you're right - only track saws. In mitre saws you care about cut depth against the fence, portability, power, length of crosscut, ease of setup, accuracy and dust collection. The Festool beats most contractor saws in accuracy (this is anecdotal as I've never seen this actually measured) and dust collection (this seems to be fairly well-known).
The rest comes down to function of the saw and ergonomics. Every contractor saw arguably has a much quicker stand setup that's one piece (vs the multiple pieces for the Festool), and the start handle is particularly awkward. It has its purpose - but it's hard to say that purpose is worth 2.5x the cost when you're not getting that same increase in production. Bosch, Makita, DeWalt and Milwaukee all make incredible, durable, well-made and well-engineered saws - Festool capitalizes on its niche I'm just not sure why it's so much more expensive than the next most expensive saw (Bosch Axial Glide).
Besides the initial price tag the other thing that keeps me away from the Kapex is the arbor size that limits my blade choice and eliminates my ability to go to the orange big box and pick up a Diablo replacement like I can for my 10 and 12" dewalts!
Joey DaFish I’m a huge fan of Forrest blades. However, Festool factory Kapex blades have been AWESOME and VERY durable. No need to upgrade. I’ve not had to sharpen either my 60 tooth or 80 tooth in over 5 years. I have a spare 60 tooth I keep on hand. I recently compared the unused new 60-tooth with my 5+ year-old original. The difference was negligible. I put the original 60-tooth back on the saw for another year. It has generous carbide so I’ll have it resharpened when it’s needed. My Kapex may be THE most-used tool in my shop and on remote sites.
Steven Jaynes 5 years?? Obviously not using your saw daily.
Festool isn’t for everyone. If the first thing that comes to mind is how much is it then it’s clearly not for you.
That can't be further from the truth. Everyone has a different definition of what is rich, so let's just use the word "well-off." People are well-off because they know what is a productive tool for the job. But you BETTER know exactly how much you are spending if you want to stay well-off.
Didn’t get the Kapex because of the position of the handle, didn’t find it comfortable on repeted cutting, got the Makita instead, very happy with it, love my Festool staff otherwise. What do you think about the domino, any review on it?
They should put the same micro adjuster on the miter that is used on the bevel
I agree. Makes absolute sense.
This is my idea of a useful review
10:11 - Has the depth range been altered for the REB? One of my problems with the original KS120 was that the depth stop's range was very limited.
Great video Rob. I think the dust collection efficiency is the number one feature that helps justify the price. I've been using the Bosch 12" axial glide miter saw for about 8 years now. I love the fact I can place it against the wall when using, but the dust collection is extremely poor and there is some blade deflection due to how the saw is held into place by the axial arms. I believe a Kapex will be the replacement for my Bosch when the Bosch finally gives up. Stay safe brother.
Tried and true Dewalt 12" miter Sliding saw does 7 1/2 nested crown and 6 1/5 nested base.
This thing needs to be 12".
However, 10" saw will cut majority of the standard today's trim. But once you get into custom. It may become an issue.
IMO, the main advantage the Kapex has over (most) other CMSs is that it takes up less space, because it can be placed with its back to a wall. If you have a small shop, that can definitely be worth the price (though you might also consider Bosch's "glide" saws that can also be placed against a wall).
This is what put me over the edge with regard to buying. My Hitachi 12" was like 3 feet deep.
@@ILruffian it's one of the big reasons I'm selling my Dewalt DWS780 and getting a Kapex. The DWS780 requires so much space and then if you want to hook up dust collection to it, which is mediocre at best, you need another 8-12" of space because it hooks up at the further back spot on a slider. I have cabinets that go 36" out from my wall thinking that would be enough, but I still couldn't fit it with dust collection hooked up. That was the final straw for me and a Kapex is on the way. I have a garage shop and can't dedicate the space the DWS780 required. The dust collection on it was horrible too.
@@atomictyler You won't regret it. May be short notice, but consider buying today to avoid 1/1/2023 Festool price increase.
Hey rob, Great review. Almost making me want to get a kapex again! I’m a big festool user but could just not get used to the handle orientation on that saw. Also I do a lot of work with hardwoods and i feel the older saw was a bit underpowered, do you feel the new model’s motor is stronger then the previous model?I do love the rail forward design and the upfront controls.
Judd Lincoln it’s seems the same but it’s hard to tell
Judd Lincoln that rail forward design is sweet..... others are copying it
Judd - have you looked a the newer Makita? Better price
@@ConcordCarpenter I actually have the newer 12” makita in my shop. It’s a pretty good saw.
He mentioned using the 36mm hose for dust collection and cutting it down to 6 ft.
I asked at Woodcraft whether this can be done and they called Festool and were told you can't do that any more because the hose ends aren't the same size.
I suspect they might be getting confused with the new 27/32 hose (which is the standard hose that comes with their vacuums now) that goes from 27 mm to 32 mm and therefore has hose ends that are different sizes (ID).
Does anyone know if you can still cut a 36 mm hose?
I also was having a hard time finding another 2 hose ends for 36mm hose so you could still use the other section.
Any info on this would be greatly appreciated
I had an old model kapex, and sold it for the 36v 10” makita and i have been extremely happy with the makita. I know you did a review on the 12” makita, i was wondering what your opinion was between the new kapex and the 12” makita?
Thoughts on the handle and safety? I've been using a Hitachi C10FSH for 20 yrs and am used to the vertical either left or right handed. Looks similar to the Kapex.
How do you like the Hitachi? I just bought one, but alas, they are made in China now. Mine has a 1/3mm dip in the table and the same amount of 'slop' in the angle detents. I'm thinking sending it back.
"I don't own a Mercedes, I wish I did" here's my kapex 😂
I love festool, but it’s an expensive addiction
Great review! Only thing that bugs me is the sound of the motor.
Not the price?
Oh yeh... spins up and down to the sound: Ddddollarrrrrrssssss. After nearly 9 years of that sound it’s still chunking great. So, overall, it might be the sound of pppennniessssss...
CONCURR
So there are mitre saw motors you actually like the sound of? As someone once said, "Just cut the f**king wood"
Yeah it sounds awful
were you cutting a 1x6 vertically at the beginning of the video?
Nice video Rob!!! I have a Festool drill and I love it! Battery lasts forever and it just "feels" solid. Thoughts on their track saw?
I love my TS75. Damn accurate, the finish cut is unbelievable
@@williamvolbrecht2232 the 75 is great and has no competiton for it's size. But the ts55 is underpowered, just get the mafell, it's a little more expensive but the king of saws (one of the only affordable mafell tool tho hahah)
I've used the ts55 for about 11 years. Incredibly accurate saw. Great for plywood and sheetgoods. Underpowered for thicker materials, for instance trimming bottoms of drawers or beveling sides of doors. Extreme precision for fine cabinetry or millwork.
Would you say rob that the festool minor saw is more accurate then makita minor saw.
Ive got the first model which I bought just before this one came out.I bought it for the dust extraction cutting MDF trim which will probably get us all eventually.Dust extraction is good.I find its a good saw but no more accurate than my Dewalt 717 which is a very nice saw for the money.Buy 4 Dewalts for the price of the Festool.
I prefer the dw717. I have had mine for 10yrs. Still cuts beautifully.
clean money cuts are all about the blade. A quality, sharp blade combined with a smooth calculated cut will provide perfect cuts no matter that saw.
MFiskeaux true so lone as the miter saw is precise, aligned with no head or shaft wobble
I have a question. What brand is the red router next to you? I like seeing around the workshop 😊👍🏻
Milwaukee
Very accurate saw ,but the dust shroud still catches on the fence when cutting at an angle ,ie 20 to 45 degrees ,and you have to remove the fence festal wants to look at this problem ,other than that it’s a very good saw
Late to the review but I like the idea of the Festool. I’m about to return my 3rd Makita LS1219 in two weeks. Very disappointed in the quality control. It’s a lot of extra coin for the Festool but I should have followed my own advice in the beginning - Buy once cry once.
A few days ago I bought a Makita 40v cordless got it home and discovered it was cutting 1mm out of square over a 200mm depth of cut so no better than my old saw i was replacing. I took it back to the shop and checked another 2 saws of the same model and they both had the same error on the same side. I needed a saw quickly for a challenging joinery job so rather than waste more time checking the accuracy of saws in the same price range I bit the Festo bullet and bought the Kapex 120. It's a dream compared to the cheaper brands....no tears this time!
As you said Rob I couldn't justify the price and kapex doesn't offer much than the front rail and dust extraction , so I went with the dewalt 12" flexvolt and it's very accurate saw for 60% less money , and no matter what festool claims regarding the height cutting capacity, still can't beat the capacity of the 12 inch
The old model is still available, new, for just over $1,000. If you were purchasing today, would you get the older model or pay over $500 more for the new model?
So what’s the difference between same models but ending in REB and EB ?
looks like a great saw. Which is more accurate the Festool laser or the DeWalt XPS LED light positioning system?
Kunjiklub _ I think the led light is the better choice- it never can lose calibration and auto adjusts for blade thickness
@KelMaster Construction Good points. I've only used a DeWalt miter saw with the XPS so I was just wondering the difference with the laser. So far I really like it, and as you mentioned, it doubles to illuminate the area.
@@ConcordCarpenter Thanks for the clarification on that. Great video and I look forward to more content of yours.
It would be nice if the safety button was next to the start button. That was my biggest beef about the kapex. Better yet would be no safety button at all.
Can anyone pls tell me how tall this saw is with the handle all the way up? Thankyou.
you didnt all of the new features of the saw??????????? good vid
Very important it doesn't matter which machine.the best you can do buy always a Slide Compound Mitre Saw with the handle in a line above the saw blade,everything has to be in line Slide bar rails,handle,and saw blade. it's better no tilt saw blade, and engine with softstart .
Handle vertical or horizontal above saw blade is okay if it is in line above the saw blade and in line with slide bar.Everything has to be in line this is important.example bosch gcm 800 sj / gcm 8 slj professiona / Evolution rage 3 / FESTOOL KS 60 / EVOLUTION RAGE R255 sms...
Rob… what about the new cordless Festool miter? It seems to be very capable with the exception of cutting base in the vertical and crown nested.
I hate lasers so the Kapex would bother me after using shadow line saws but the new Festool miter uses the shadow line.
The biggest question is… can a 8.5” miter saw be a primary miter saw for a trim carpenter?
We just got one this week
Wish they'd ditched the laser for a shadow line.
I would love to see a head to head comparison between the old and new kapex specifically if the new one has a stronger motor.
Hey great job again, a drill ilove if you can review in great details is the 3 speed metabo hammer drill, I kown you featured it in your head to head but will like to see a stand alone review like the impact driver, or given the circumstances in your shop lol
Are you saying the Kapex won’t handle the job sight abuse
not sold yet cordless
Doesn’t look like true direct drive, no belt or gears ? Looks like where the motor is mounted it would have to transfer from vertical to horizontal ?...is it a flex shaft ?
joe o that I’m not sure of....I can ask
sold
I've been using my Kapex for 10 years and it runs like the day I bought it. Considering buying another one for a renewed warranty if there are some new features that make it worth it but I'm expecting the one I have to last another 10 years at least.
It seems that a lot of thought is put into dust extraction. I love removing the collector and watching the sawdust fly
Rooster Tail!!!
I have achieved great accuracy with my new rail forward Makita. I am a pro and have had all brands. The Makita is the smoothest saw I have had yet. That Festool motor doesn't sound too healthy.
gmusic Larsen that Makita is a real nice saw
Jeah whay do all Festool sound like they got gravel in the engine? I mean they work ok.
@@ot0m0t0 hahaha that is the first thing I thought when I got mine, thought there was something wrong with it, but it hasnt exploded yet.
They need to go cordless. Makita and Dewalt are ahead of the curve.
Funny how everybody is going and im going back to not chasing batteries around..
Apparently that is not their plan and makes sense to me. I heard the are developing a power bank to plug in their power tools (vac, mitre saw etc). I personally don't think the technology is good enough for cordless mitre saws yet.
@@hamishgoodley7208 I've been using the Makita 36v cordless for 2 years now. I'll never go back.
Handle position is a deal breaker otherwise I'd own one . Everything else i love other than the stand , but i would just stick with the toughbuilt stand i own . But that handle positing having to stretch up over to press the safety realise is just too much . Bosch 12" Glide beats this all day long
Problem is that the handle/trigger isn’t oriented properly. It’s vertical and it should be horizontal. It’s very awkward to use.
It's interesting how those who use this type of equipment for a living would consider it expensive , yet it's not as if $1 a day for 2 years is going to be noticed or the Truck it's transported in doesn't cost $30 a day in fuel . Not to mention the $60k Truck . In the end , you spend your money on what you want to ........ Thanks for the review .
I am considering buying one. However here in Australia if you purchase with the stand its almost $3,000. Even without its just over $2,000. Its not for the DIY for sure. I earn my living making doors and windows so if its serviceable for many years then its an investment.
$1500… not a big deal. I just wish Festool would listen to US buyers and make one more saw.. in its line. Festool… if your willing to listen make another saw. (1) keep striving to high quality. (2) offer a 12” saw (3) offer a horizontal handle (4) use a shadow line and add flood light that lights up the right and left wings but don’t wash out the cut line. (5) keep weight under 50 lbs.
Festool isnt the mercedes of tools, it's the freaking bently.
Rob, What does the REB stand for? You kept saying in this video REQ. I have had mine for 11 years , it just quit on me today. I think it is the switch. Has anyone you know that has had to ship theirs in for service? I heard they replace anything that could be worn out making your cost to repair expensive.
Barry,
R= reface / updates
E = electronics
B = Brake
I always have a customer call Festool repair service for an estimate
Happy Holidays
@@ConcordCarpenter Thanks Rob for responding. I watched several UA-cam videos repairing a Kapex, I just ordered new parts for mine and will be repairing it myself. I am replacing the switch, electronic board and brushes. That should keep me going for for a while. If I had sent it to Festool I am afraid it would have been to expensive not worth it, because I would like a new one. Why spend $800.00 -1000 on repairs when 500.00 more get a new saw.
Still not battery and AC power ????
Nathan Tairawhiti soon we hope
What's the router on the sled? And the sled system please?
Woodpeckers slab flattening sled. Milwauee router
I fail to see how this better than a Bosch GCM12SD, especially considering the Bosch is slightly more than 1/3 the price and has a more powerful motor.
Still on the fence about cost. Wow thats steep
Hello sir !!!!!! My name is Ketan Khandekar and i am from India.I am a amateur woodworker and have no experience with Festool Tools.I have read several reports on the web which say that Kapex has a lot of motor problems.I have also read that their motors are not durable and also do not have the quality compared to other brands.I was planning to purchase a Festool tool but given the amount of complaints i had to cancel my decision.Would you kindly guide me in this aspect.Your co-operation will be most appreciated.
I have a Delta Cruiser and a Bosch I can't understand what this saw is doing to justify close to 1000.00 more in price. Nobody ever actually says why it's worth the money. I've got 1200 invested in 2 saws that have great accuracy, ergonomics and features. What more is the festool giving me?
Joe Blow way better precision than the Cruser.
@@ConcordCarpenter that's your response? It's more accurate than one of the saws I mentioned? Is it 1000.00 more accurate? I'm doing trim in million dollar houses with the cruser, again what is the festool offering for 1k more money? I watched your 6 minute review of the delta from 2 years ago and I don't experience deflection in cuts its butter smooth if it wasnt I wouldn't use it.
I wanted to love the Kapex Rob - but the ergonomics of that handle were a no-go for me. It wrecks all the other advantages of the saw (for me - obviously lots of folks love them)
ill take the weird handle if it cuts down on deflection. Ive always had right handed dewalts and easily adjusted to handle.
Interesting review, but are you paid somehow by the manufacturer?
Susan Mandeville nope
@@ConcordCarpenter Glad to hear that!
Здравствуйте. Будьте Добры вопрос назрел. При условии длительного ,( кратковременного ) хранения пилы kapex ks 60, допустимо или хранение пилы с кареткой ( головой) закреплённой в самом нижнем положении ( как при переноске) или она должна быть в верхнем положении ( поднята) , я к тому не повлияет ли это на упругость пружины в будущем. В инструкции такой информации не нашел
All mitre saws are the same. Rob, no they're not. I named mine Julia 🤣 she's a Makita compound mitre never failed me yet.
G Moblie I, sure Julia is a special girl ;)
@@ConcordCarpenter you have to some fun at work 😁 and the best way is name you're tools.
Great, now I don't have t read all the manual pages ;-)
You should!
One feature that stops me from getting it is handle and trigger. Like Dewalt style much better
Not paying $1500 when I can get the DeWalt for less then $500 on sale like I did. I can buy three for the price of one.
Thanks for stopping by. The men’s room is at the end of the aisle.
I’m glad Festool is expensive that keeps the penny pinchers away from the nicer things in life.
Might be an awesome saw but I can't get passed the very awkward handle
It’s designed to be ambidextrous. After using it for a couple of days it feels normal. Festool has a 30 day money back guarantee on their tools. Get one and try it for a few weeks. If you don’t like it, ship it back for a refund.
Totally agree with you here. That handle design looks like it would be hard on the wrists after a few cuts. The wrist doesn't naturally flex that way.
Handle orientation actually gives much better control through the cut. Try it and see.
Walter Lane it didn’t for me at all. I’m a lefty and was using it right handed. Very awkward (for me)
Rob, thanks for another great video and hello from a couple of towns east. I have a question for you and the group. I bought a 120 REB yesterday. When I got it home, I checked the table. The center table is noticeably proud relative to both of the fixed side tables (the actual table sides, not the built-in extension wings). I'm wondering if I'm my expectations are too high. Given the price and Peter Parfitt's endorsement of the Kapex as a "cabinet grade saw," and since I've got a 7 1/4" Milwaukee that's dead flat all the way across, I don't think so but would appreciate some input. I made a video illustrating the issue: ua-cam.com/video/yhZjywLeGMQ/v-deo.html
As you can see in the video, using a live on the saw table, if I push the level down on the side tables, I get .030-.031" on one side and 0.26-0.27" on the other. I confirmed that the plastic insert on the center table is below flush, so that's not the issue. My concern is that if I clamp one side of the work piece it's no longer sitting flat on the center table. Although the difference is small, with several cuts you could stack up the tolerance difference to a noticeable amount. Also, since the work is not fully supported by the center table, it's possible (maybe even likely) that the piece will flex a little and the cuts will vary some front to back on a single cut. I should mention that I haven't cut anything on this saw yet because I want to be able to return it if this saw really is out of usual Festool specs.
Am I being too fussy? Peter Parfitt touted the Kapex as a cabinet-grade saw. This doesn't feel "cabinet-grade." For comparison, at the end of the video I compare a 7 1/4" Milwaukee DBSCMS, which is 1/3 the price of the Kapex - and it's dead flat across the tables. That may be luck of the draw, since the center table of a 10" Milwaukee that's in the house right now is noticeably below the level of the side tables, which would potentially be a problem since a large piece is not fully supported (flex). For $1500, though, I expected more.
Please let me know what you think - thanks!
I heard of too many people burning out the motors for it to be a anomaly
solomon quinn
Festool received about a 1-2 percent repair/return on their Kapex motors burning out. Their process is when a tool hits a 2-3 percent of failure is when they start looking into why or what is happening. With the Kapex , Festool started early , redesigned the motor and has been fine ever since. It’s tough to break an impression, I get that!
True but you can imagine that people like me that never had a problem with it for the past 6 years, will not waste time on forums or other platforms to counter balance the negative experiences. We just enjoy it and go about our lives.
The only festool product worth the money is the plunge saw , the rest are far too expensive, beautifully made though