The Hammer that BROKE the Internet!
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2023
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John Temerian from @WeAreCurated shares the story of the Mercedes AMG Hammer auction that broke the internet and changed the market forever.
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At ANY TIME the other bidder could have entered his $800k or whatever bid. If people want to play the sniping game they risk missing out at the end of the auction for any number of reasons.
Exactly. F-that. I would of layered up
@@obe_595 you don't think that a shady dealer like this guy didn't look into the legal side.... terms and conditions for signing up the auction site will say that any comms issues negates auction results or that any auction can be considered invalid for this or that. you wouldn't even need to be a law student, never mind a lawyer to come up with that... just copy and paste from the other 1000's of auction sites...
I mean not really... it's not like your going to bid 800k prematurely. This is just how auctions work. It's not either buyers fault that the site couldn't keep up with the bidding.
@@randomenthusiast6898 if you want to have the best chance of winning that's exactly what you do. $800k is your MAX bid, the website automatically increases your bid as others enter new bids until your max bid is reached.
Sorry but no, that was YOUR CAR. You won that fair & square. They could have easily outbid you at anytime, if they want to drip drip their way at an auction, that's the risk! Nah man. You could have easily said no & they woulda had to accept it.
you don't think that a shady dealer like this guy didn't look into the legal side.... terms and conditions for signing up the auction site will say that any comms issues negates auction results. you wouldn't even need to be a law student, never mind a lawyer to come up with that... just copy and paste from the other 1000's of auction sites...
Shoulda told the other bidder tough luck better luck next time maybe get some better WiFi 🤣🤣🤣
While I totally agree, that should've been their car Fair and Square, I love that John was willing to work it out to try and make everybody happy! The Guy has a heart of Gold and is EVERY BIT as passionate as ANYBODY else that was bidding on that car. John, you always say one of my all time favorite quotes when telling us about a crazy awesome story like this, you always say, Well, "If it's meant to be, it'll Be!" I LOVE your passion! But I also love that you showed us that an even better deal than the first deal popped up and landed RIGHT in your lap. Cuz it was MEANT to BE Brother!
@@Bimmerguy88 he's a car flipper. he's only passionate buying low and selling higher. if you had a valuable car just block this guy's number immediately.
Technology is a !#&%# and a half
There's a Hammer that I knew of that isn't on the registry. It was converted by AMG in Chicago. 1987 black on black. Black center monoblock wheels. Was owned by a Psychiatrist from Chicago that had a farm in southwest Michigan. I was doing some work on the farm back in the early 00's and I remember he asked me if I could wash one of the cars and he'd let me take it for a spin. I didn't know what an AMG Hammer was as I was only a young adult then. I did know what a Mercedes E class was, so I asked about the car, and he told me it was purchased and sent to AMG for the conversion and that these were built to order. I remember it having sheepskin seat covers and a 90's Alpine CD player had been installed in the car. I drove it and fell in love with it and have wanted one ever since. I have no idea what happened to the car. I never saw it again. I'm sure the gentleman is probably no longer alive, and the car may have been sold or God forbid disposed/junked. I wish I would have known better as I would have recorded the VIN number, but I had no idea just how rare these were back then.
I've always wanted to get my own W124 and swap a 6.0L LS based engine into it and have a fun budget hammer. I have a W221 now that's a blast, but I'd love a W124 with a V8 and the AMG body kit in the garage next to it. Maybe one day I'll build one.
Doesn't sound fair to win the car at an extraordinary price to then have the carpet pulled from under your feet. All concerned should have been accepting of the outcome. An internet glitch can happen to anyone these days buying at auction online and you don't see the auction re-ran to passify the party that missed out.
What's insane about these is that it's pretty simple to replicate one of these for well under 100 grand. Granted, it won't be all original AMG parts, but MOST of the parts are standard MB parts.
Just buy a clk550 , its faster , better handling, and will cost 10k max😊
You could make it much better and still be cheaper.
Yeah but the problem with this is... You will know it's not an AMG. You could definitely make it better.
That blue Hammer is my absolute dream car. As a W124 enthusiast who loves the color blue and already owns a blue C124 it doesn't get any better.
Hell yea bro u ever thought of hitting it with some boost? Snails or a screw or even pro charge it? That would be insane
I love cars, especially 80's - 90's cars, but $800,000 is just insane.
Can one build these using a 97 300 CE coupe body ?
Amg story from John Temerian, best way to start the day. Thank you for all the great stories and experiences. Have a great day everyone!
It doesn’t matter if you are a fan of the AMG hammer or Lamborghini Countach when JOHN speaks so passionately about these cars it could make ANYONE Fall in Love with them.
Thanks ED for GREAT car content!!!
thanks for explaining the cocaine part
The Blue Hammer looks a lot better IMO. That thing is sweet! 😮💨😁
So funny, as previously mentioned Rob Deer and my dad have been best friends for decades. I grew up with Rob and remember that car in the garage when I was younger. I’ll send him this video he will get a kick out of it.
I’m a HUGE rob deer fan as a wisco boy
This was a wild auction to watch!
"I'm going to pay top dollar at $400k" proceeds to bid $705k and lose.
What a roller coaster. Great story as always.
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Once he won the first auction and got an insane amount of press it raised the value of the car and the other bidders got salty. I don’t think that was fair curated deserved the car.
Nailed it
I woulda told the other bidder tough luck better luck next time. He didn’t get screwed out of a car. YOU did
I pointed the first Dutch collector to the .172 antracite grey Manual Wide Body Coupe 6.0 when it was for sale in Italy. It had a 66k asking price, and had an SEC-look grille on it. I couldnt afford it at the time, but that was and still is my one dreamcar. I wih I had the funds back then. But now hearing these prices I feel like I can ditch that dream.... I'll have to build my own w124 saloon into a tribute car then to fullfil that dream a bit... sad truth.
Luckily the guy knew what he had and didn't succumb to a BS offer.
Really like Johns stories. It seems that he grew up with "some money" in the family. Whats amazing is his work ethic and passion for cars. He could have probably coasted on money within the family, but turned it into an incredible business.
Absolutely exceptional work ethic! Hats off!
PS. While Hammers are great looking cars, they seemed WAY overpriced. Me thinking this is why I would suck at speculation in the exotics market
Luckily the owner was not an idiot and the car subsequently sells for over double the offer at auction...
Hammers are definitely overrated in a number of ways. Just 3 years after the Hammer the 500e would come out and it was much faster, wider, and used a newer engine based on the Hammer's engine. Plus the hammer was over twice the price. Then a year after that AMG made the e60, which had even more power, and more importantly a much better tuned power curve. Then 3 years after that even the base model W210 was faster than the 500e.
@@amazin7006 true but it's all about rarity and the history - hammer was the fastest sedan of its time and it's pre-merger amg, custom built for customers by amg. hell it was faster than the supercars of the time - higher top speed than the countach or testarossa. that wasn't the case with the 500e. there were only 30 hammers made. that's mega mega rare. that's the main reason that they are worth so much. plus "hammer" sounds cool.
John mentioned his dad had a Ferrari, so he had “some money” for sure.
The price of hammers is from people born in the 1970’s that idealized cars from the 1980’s. They remember these as the first high horsepower fast sedans. Things were different and really slow back then. They’ll stay high for a couple of decades then be forgotten and prices will fall.
You've clearly not watched John's stories about his history, Rj in Oz
My neighbor had a hammer parked in his garage for 10 years with flat tires - asked him everyday to sell it to me and then he moved away :(
how long ago is that ? were you trying to lowball him out of a load of money like this guy tried lol?
Does anyone see a trend with this channel? I think it should be called ‘Murcielago Hammer Countach Speculation Wiki’ instead.
They want to get those values up haha
@@amazin7006 of course. It’s lost credibility.
Request for two videos. One, tall people compilation of experience with sports cars. Two, short people experiences compilation.
I believe I remember seeing Rob Deer’ Hammer at County Stadium as a kid:) MKE 414 also witnessed Rob hit 4 HR’s in one game.
Could have interviewed the dude from Garage90x who won the car. A guy who wanted the car and not the profits..... John wanted the car for $300K? Man...
My thoughts exactly. I don't like John, he's just an upper level shady dealer that glorifies himself.
Come hard times I totally see him selling drugs to kids.
An example of a car price driven by rarity of car and not the performance
Well, now I need to have a blue on blue hammer. Such a beautiful car
It’s awesome to have your success and be able to do what you think is the right thing to do! Some believe that you won the auction fair and square, and I agree. But what you believe yourself does mean a lot at the end of the day
And this is why normal people can't even afford to buy a car these days! Thanks guys!
That grey Hammer is awesome, but that Blue on Blue one is something else!
Wow John is such a sweetheart to allow other people to bid on it again along with being respectful to the owners. Surprised he managed to find an even more exciting AMG Hammer whilst getting to enjoy it. Sold that car and the new owner even let him still drive it to a car show!! 😎
Would have had no choice on the online auction. When you register you click their terms and conditions that allow them to say auction not valid etc etc
@@huzcer Well the auction seemed to be valid just one of the bidders couldn’t continue as there was so much new foot traffic. Could’ve been an excuse as well you never know but again he’s just such a genuine guy to even allow that.
@@iceslayer777 such a genuine guy that he told the owner not to do the auction that he'd get a better deal with him and offered him 300k. Then bid 705k in the very same auction. Genuine guy lol 😂 I would trust this "genuine guy" about as much as Charles Ponzi. He's a slimy flipper and that's it. At least the actual car went to a true Merc collector guy into a collection - Garage90x
@@huzcer He literally got the owner an extra $100k and of course he would offer very low in-case nobody else took up on the opportunity. Dealers need to make money but he already offered I think it was $500k and then did $660k at auction so it’s a generous amount of money. Not to mention you’re supposed to do research to see whether the car is able to fetch more or not especially at auctions compared to private hands. He’ll eventually collect a lot more cars especially if the business doesn’t have nearly as many juicy cars just laying around.
@@iceslayer777 my opinion would be be that he might have have had a better chance if he had offered more to the owner initially. we don't know what his max bid not in the auction was. The owner wasn't a schmuck in this case - knew what he had. But half of these car buying stories revolve around dealers salivating about basically preying on someone who doesn't know the true value of something and getting them to hand it over before they find out. It's the nature of the business but that doesn't make it not suspect.
Someone elses internet problems isn't your problem.
You won that car fair and square, kudos to you for being such a stand up guy and still trying to make everyone happy.
Great car and story!
Im glad you got the blue one instead. Much nicer color and better equipped (recaros, AMG steering wheel) and the widebody. Besides the story, and maybe US Hammer being fewer in production, I think the black car is mostly hype.
introduced me to this page lol opened my eyes to the world of cars
What a crazy twist to the tale
I remember seeing this hammer as a kid driving around abq for awhile it lived blocks from my parents house
Love the Classic Mercedes! 🇩🇪
I get these cars rarity and history but for that kinka $$$ I would rather have many other cars. I would be curious to see if these cars can maintain these huge values.
I wonder if the Hammer is what spurned the legend of the 930 that gave I15 the name "cocaine alley"...
Never trust someone who is making money off you and they say I really think it would be better for you. They really mean this will be better for me.
100% in the case of this guy!
These guys are relentless when it comes to tracking down cars like this and flipping them for top dollar
Right thing? Nope. I won and that is it 😂😂😂
that other bidder was definitely top 5 sore losers of all time, if the gem got away then it got away but he clearly had more money then patience so in the end he got his way
Luckily the owner was not an idiot that would take a lowball no-auctions offer and the car subsequently sells for over double the offer at auction...
I never miss a John story.
always involves trying or succeeding to lowball some car owner out of a ton of value. fortunately didn't work in this case...
@@huzcerhe’s a car dealer and the offer he originally made was fair for this car seeing previous sales history. It’s easy for you to say he was low balling him after knowing the full story.
@@Gorlamii. his offer was less than 1/2 its value. that's lowball. the fact that he actually then bid $705k himself on the very same auction soon after trying to screw the guy over telling him not to auction proves that beyond any doubt whatsoever!
@@huzcer Why wouldn't you want to pay less for a car? The owner can say no if they don't like it and negotiate up. Buy low, sell high.
@@bwofficial1776 so he offers 350k or something like that. on top says don't do an auction. then bids 705k at the auction which is actually completely wild in terms of disparity of numbers. he would have had a much better chance of getting the car if he actually wasn't being so greedy. it's obvious that he wasn't dealing with the oily car dealer "dream scenario" of the owner being some dumb idiot widow who knows nothing about cars so if you want the car offer something more realistic. not a very good negotiator from the way he tells the story tbh...
I Was Stationed In West Germany on 1988 & 89. I Had a Motorcycle. I'd Be Running 140 mph ( Not KPH) on the Autobahn & Be Passed like i wes Standing Still . It Looked Like a Big Benz with spoilers all around. Were Them Hammers?
Possibly but probably not. there were only 30 made worldwide which is practically a unicorn. that's why it's worth so much money. most likely just something else seriously rapid like a 560 SEC that fits that time and way more common. There was a widebody version with a near 180mph top speed.
Why Did You capitalize Almost Every word? You only capitalize the first word and proper nouns.
That seems a bit much for a souped up 1980's Mercades E class, but hey... it's not MY money :)
Not a Mercedes guy either but it looks totally plain, not even high spec inside, doesn't have the 2 piece deep dish AMG wheels, regular color, no OBC, hell even no Sportline seats.
Exactly of course it does. These creeps want to make elite classic cars out of everything. Completely ruined the market and fun of collecting. This guy is the type of guy who would pay 700k for a 150k old Benz and still likes to wear Balenciaga because he doesn't care what they did. Gtfoh Buddy your burnt
@@rabajdajr3001 agree re the cars. These oily specimens would talk up anything to try to flip for more money. What did Balenciaga do?
Is this a repost of a previous video?
We posted the story while the auction was live. This is the behind-the-scenes look at what happened after the video came out.
@@VINwikigive us a link Ed
Fair to everyone except for Curated.
Dodged a major bullet by not paying over 700 grand for that thing.
What’s with all the clickbait lately?
To do exactly that. Get you to click.
Which you did.
@@donovanchilton5817 UA-cam is about minutebait, so clickbait doesn't get immediate revenue from ads like online magazines
Maybe you guys can help me.
My grandfather had a blue AMG Hammer. I reached out to a gentleman who knew hammers and mentioned he may know where it is. I’ve emailed him several times with no response now. Please let me know what I can do to get in contact with you guys if you know where this one is. Please and thank you!!
Best storyteller
700K for that box of rocks, yikes, no way
I want more Rabbit!
Go as big as you can
When you drive up the market price of a car, you are not helping the community. You’re simply making these cars even more unobtainable for many, many, many enthusiasts. Hell, the biggest group of enthusiasts.
You’re not helping them by doing that, you’re hurting them.
This dudes life is beyond. Grew up down street from Renntech and had a Muria at 20 something. That alone is too awesome. How some people's lives fall in to place amazes me. The odds it's just unreal
All is possible with Daddy's money.
Right lol
It wasn’t all peaches and cream dude. Look into his story
So glad to see the value soaring on these cars since I daily drive a 300 CE with a V8 swap.😎
Was the MB that was flipped in the 3rd act of the original Road House movie a real Hammer?
no, i think that was just a sec coupe though. dont think they'd buy a $200k car to do a flip for a movie like that in the 80's.
I’d have told that dude to kick rocks. Dude was mad he lost the car, that’s the car game man, you can’t win ‘em all. That’s pretty stand up of John to think of the owner in that instance though.
So because someone had a crapy computer you don't get the car. How is that even a excuse
I'd think twice before paying 10k for that car
AWESOME
Screw that, that sounds like the car auction center problem. You purchased that car fair and square. That guys a baby typical rich guy who didn’t get what he wanted
Those prices are UNREAL. For what is in essence an f-ing 2door German TAXI with a giant engine in it.
Never EVER would i pay that kind of money for a pre merger AMG.
Coolvstory non the less
Garage90x has it now. The guy is a legend.
sounds like he's a sour looser and entitled, far from a legend
Better going to him than a flipper
very true. John Temerian is the type of guy who inflates cars & hypes them up strictly for his gain. @@huzcer
only a pro athlete or a rapper has that kinda money to squander.
not again..well at least its not 700k car that u dont want..
don't tell john any secrets!
Let the bidding war begin!!!
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Hindsight is a b@stard! I have always liked the Hammer seeing one on Miami Vice back in the day.
Stole the world record 😂
Is that Donut? 🍩
They're going to complain about fairness when they wanted to drip their way to the max bid? that's their risk, at any point they could of put a 850k bid.
I wouldn't been as nice. Especially when you were willing to sell them back the car after you were done with your promotional events with it.
$761k for a W124 coupe? Jesus. One of my favourite cars, but the price people will pay to show off is insane. These cars aren't rare. They built zillions of W124s. A nice-ish but not actually that extraordinary V8 up the front and some AMG badging isn't worth $750k. I assume whoever bought it isn't going to drive it, because what a disappointment they're going to get! A nice straight six model probably drives better.
You won the car fair and square?! Why would you roll over? Makes no sense.
Temerian needs to tape his hands to his sides
How this guy is able to pay a world record price $661,000 with the intention of “selling at some point down the line” and still turn a profit and run a business is beyond me, but props to him. Keep making that money for more blouses.
Every dealership does this. There’s a dummy out there.. I work for a classic car company.. and it’s the same concept. Buy it and mark it up as you’re given a discount deal!
Well, at first he tried to buy it at 300.000, fully aware that it could fetch a new record. So if the seller would would have agreed to 400.000, he could have made easily a 300.000-450.000 of profit on it.
@@Heidelaffe I’m not arguing it at those prices. Jon fully committed to paying $661,000 (a then-world-record price) to basically sit on the car for a time before attempting to make money on it. When you’re the one paying more than anyone else has ever paid it makes it tough to turn a profit.
The thing with the Hammer is there are only a handful of them, literally there are, or were 13 made for the US and only 30 world wide. That was in the 80's, and so the chances of finding one was low then and now 40 years later it's even lower as they get taken off the roads. So yeah, if you bought one of the few and then just sat on it until there were even less you could probably turn it into a million dollar car quite easily, especially if you were able to hand over an amount of verified details and prove that it was the one from the internet story
Why are these cars called ‘hammers’?
Must be hunter's
Nah I wouldn’t have gave it up I would kept the car and sold it to him for 761k period
TLDR : Shady dealer tries to buy car for half its value with no auction but owner is not an idiot looking to get fleeced. Car then sells for over double that offer at auction for world record price. Shady dealer actually himself bids twice his previous offer ($705k) in the auction after telling the guy not to auction but still doesn't win the car.
It seems you really don't like John do you...
@@jamesrichards5601 Here's a question for you .... would you honestly believe anything this guy would tell you if he was trying to buy a car from you !? Thought it was the same guy and went and checked and yes it was - the guy who conned the 1 of 2 Turbo Countach owner (other one with Lambo so effectively 1 of 1) - basically details how he was telling the guy how the Countach market was bad blah blah etc when it's a basically one-off car!
@@huzcer These are valid points, but I do specifically recall him saying "cars like these are such unicorns, that it's hard to even put a value on them" on that episode which let's face it in the context of a Countach turbo, is very true as like you said, there is only one in public circulation. Cars like these are only worth what someone is willing to pay so actually it really depends on the provenance of the example, spec etc.
These tactics and behaviours are pretty much universal in the car trade so I think it's not really an issue since the owner didn't comply to his offers. Had he gotten the car for $400k, different story. If both the buyer AND the seller are happy with their deal, there's no issue.
@@jamesrichards5601 oh I get that it's part and parcel of the business but that doesn't mean that it's not slimy. Hence the negative connotations around the term " used car salesman". That's what he is - just with higher prices!
@@huzceryeah, shame any dealer makes any profit. They should lose money on every transaction. Makes more sense.
So yeah another story where a boomer buys something for too much money to spite a younger person and never let the car see the light of day again.
Yo
That whole auction sounds shady! I don’t buy the glitch, story.
I Woulve told the other guy to kick rocks. Screw him.
Still wearing Balenciaga? Yikes.
morning
I told my cousin around 2016 to buy pre merger AMG's he missed the boat.
Did you buy some?
@@timkinley1779 I was and I'm broke, my cousin has $, he just recently bought a C43.
ROADHOUSE
No way I would have been like kick rocks rub it on your chest it's my car that's all options work oh no you're bid didn't go through? Guess what that sucks to my car pissed off that's some bullshit right there
You should have won the car in my opinion. Just shows if you complain enough someone will budge lol
when you register on an online auction site you tick the box with all the stuff that you don't read and in there it basically says that an auction may or may not be deemed final etc blah blah blah. the auction site get a % so higher price of course they are going to go for it.
Money. It talks.
That’s some BS in my opinion that the guy complained about his shit glitching on the original auction like it’s an auction whatever happens happens he’s the kind of guy that would throw a fit at a live auction because he didn’t bid fast enough or something
When you sign up to an auction site you tick a box for lots of terms and conditions that include things like any auction may or may not be deemed final etc etc etc
Just shows that rich people get whatever they want all they had to do is whine a little bam Auction us like that much more money ok will roll right over our integrity. So when people say "a fair price" there is not such a thing.
Man I love these cars too!!
But. whoever the opposing bidder was, nobody likes this guy lol
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Too many men get woodies over cars. It’s a mode of transportation. So who cares.
Oh I’m early