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Jesus this might be the most hostage video you've ever made.
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Bark twice if you’re in Milwaukee
His name is Zealand
He just needs a flag in the background to complete the look.
Zealand goes on holiday to Sweden and now is in a hostage situation? Is this Midsummer?!
i took him. That's all you gotta know
If he comes back and says he liked it, that's gotta be the most obvious Stockholm sydrom diagnosis ever.
its the sign if a radical group that regularly calls for genocide against Kurds and Armenians. the group is forbidden in several european countries. he saw the need to make a political gesture, he got a political answer.
Me when I spread misinformation
Perfect response.
@@greatcarrot14It's not misinformation though.
@@greatcarrot14 In France alone:
In May 1984, Grey Wolves leader Abdullah Çatlı carried out a bombing of an Armenian Genocide memorial in Alfortville, a Paris suburb.
According to Direction générale de la sécurité intérieure members of the Grey Wolves partook in a 21 January 2012 demonstration in Paris against the adoption of the bill criminalizing the Armenian genocide denial in France.
In November 2020, France banned the Grey Wolves organization after defacement of an Armenian Genocide Memorial, organizing combat training camps in the Ardèche region in 2019, inciting violence against Kurds and Armenians and orchestrating marches targeting Armenians near Lyon.
@@greatcarrot14 GFY you radical nut job
Koeman made a deal with some high power. First, Lewi. Then Mbappe. Somehow, we drew Romania. And now, now Demiral won't play against us.
At this rate, I fully expect Switzerland to beat England and have Xhaka and Akanji celebrate by doing the Albanian eagle together right in front of the camera.
Sorry Z but I feel like you missed the target here. This was more or less the Turkish version of a Roman Salute. Germany understands this, but can't call it out that bluntly. UEFA has to act because if they don't, Germany will be forced to call it out that bluntly because they have some not-kidding-around type laws about that sort of shit. And Turkey's current government is more or less a straight up right wing dictatorship. They bathe in this sort of shit, but even they can't say so in so many words. This was a wrist slap for something that should have gotten *much* worse.
foff sn*wflake. the whole "france" team uses the press conferences to company against National Rally, its perfectly fine...
its clear what sign it was, he knew it, everyone in europe knows it. you have to be very ignorant to try to argue its anything else than the greywolf sign
the gesture he made is basically the same as if a german player would make the nazi salute, so i think he had a lot of luck with his punishment.
Well, although the gesture he made refers to a racist and extremist turkish group. It did not refer to a group who started a global war that killed over 50 million individuals and industrialised the murder of political opponents (mainly J e w s).
It is also opposed by islamists, who view it "anti-islamic", ie nationalistic... as in, ypu can't be proud to be of a country, because that takes away from Islam.
@@AhmedRizk3 this has to be the most stupid whataboutism I've ever seen 😂
The hand gesture has literally been shown on national TV around the world on wrestling shows for the past 30 years in America for the NWO & The Elite stables in WCW/WWF/WWE/AEW and in The Bullet Club stable in New Japan Wrestling😅
@@DarkArterialGore I live in India, in our country swastikas are very common I look at it and think nothing of it, but if I saw a swastika used by some German group I would not have the same association. It's as simple as that the same symbol can have different meanings and it depends on the context, it is far more likely that what he did was politically motivated than it was some cool sign.
i am SO glad
the organisation is under investigation in germany and the sign is totaly illegal in austria as well ... doing it AGAINS ausria ...
i mean hes known for being that so he cant even talk himself out everyone knows what he is
You're so glad a footballer is suspended for using a simbol?
Fuck liberty of speech I guess.
@@antoniosaldanha4500An organization who advocates for taking the freedoms of other groups of innocent people don’t deserve “liberty of speech.”
@@antoniosaldanha4500 It's not called liberty of speech, and it's not just a "simbol". It's about the same as if a German Neonazi played in the tournament and did the Hitler Salute.
@@antoniosaldanha4500 so if some1 dropped a nazi salute you will say oh well libery of speech... its the same thing... do some research the group hes supporting is that bad
@@antoniosaldanha4500 if i gave you the finger right to your face, you would suddenly have a problem with symbols.
Always find it funny how anytime these kind of groups get called what they are, their defense force is ready in the comment section proving the point
As a kurd , thanks to people like you for calling these people out on their racist,genocide ideologies towards us and Armenians. They wipe us from the world if they had a chance.❤🙏
do you demand everyone on the globe to agree with your western views?
@@RegenTonnenEnte Not supporting genocide is a western view? Are you mad?
@@RegenTonnenEnte you don't have the balls to say what you cowards really mean, smd
@@RegenTonnenEnteif you don’t like western values like competing peacefully and respectfully, you can get back to your middle eastern sand mud and do your religious-ethnic wars instead
Demiral gave a hand gesture that in a lot of European countries is nearly par with the Nazi Salute (Hence it being outlawed in several countries). And it is in support of an organisation that in most countries is on watchlists and a few others already designated terrorist organisation.
And he did that on the field after an UEFA sanctioned match against the UEFA stated rules.
based as F
Imagine wanting to outlaw free speech
@@osmosisjones306 You know the Euros are in Germany right? Where Nazi symbols are outlawed? And you know this is basically the Turkish version of a Nazi salute, right?
@Jonathanizer thats why he thinks it is cool .cuz hes a kool kid.
thank god youre back to the real zealandism format
Bad take by Zealand.
Just because Turkey are the underdogs, doesn't mean one needs to support them and feel bad for them if they lose or do bad.
Using racist gang signs aren't good and should be condemned and taken strict action on.
Football isn't above humanity.
So why support blm wasnt fined?
My mother is Turkish and she was disgusted by the celebration. Its so upsetting considering I have never seen her get excited about football until Turkey's recent run in the euros. Though what is worrying is a lot of Turks feel the way he does.
The thing is that the Turkish foreign ministry claim that the decision reflects prejudice against foreigners…but the symbol itself represents prejudice against other foreigners
europeans have countless symbols representing prejudice against foreigners. europeans are so insecure about this that they put their own insecurities on other peoples
100% agree its an insane situation, but also 100% agree with the punishment. If anything, its lenient.
His showing support for a group who's main goal is commiting genocide. And has made it perfectly clear that its not that he saw this cool handsign on tiktok and throught it was fun and is very sorry for not understanding it. He didn't do it because his a massive wrestling fan and wanted to show his respect for the NWO and the Bullet Club. He knew exactly what it meant, who it was support, what they stand for, and he stands for them and is going to use this international platform given to him to promote genocide. And went out of his way to make sure everyone knew that what he meant when he made the gesture.
So yeah. 2 Game ban is frankly not nearly harsh enough.
Not to mention he used the gesture on the day of the Sivas massacre, which a lot of Alevis have also pointed out.
@@Jojafox I have to confess ignorance, I didn't know anything about the Alevis and minority sects in Turkey. So that extra context makes it even worse. But at least maybe we can learn something from this? I dunno, I'm trying to find a silver lining in a really messed up situation.
Anyway, free Kurdistan. Peace.
@@StefanWB "Free Kurdistan" until you westerners shill and praise Ataturk despite starting this whole Kurdish problem. Hypocrisy and creating further divide in other societies is truly a western moment
An Albanian player was suspended for a political symbol/message for 2 matches as well during this Euro 2024 before this one. So, this was consistent.
Who?
@@gregorgerzson1767 Mirlind Daku
Tbh, I think it would backfire if a German player did a Nazi salute and then after getting suspended in a similar way, the German FA went and said, "We support our player's expression political views and see it extremely restrictive for UEFA to silence them in this way."
Yeah but the whole "france" team uses the press conferences to company against National Rally, its perfectly fine...
@@gregorgerzson1767 stay mad and hold the huge L that the new popular front is gonna drop on election night you fascist bozo
@@gregorgerzson1767 Yeah, in press conferences not the pitch, also why is France in quotes?
@@gregorgerzson1767 dude, just say you're some right wing 'tard
@@evatco9188 Son in a press conference praising the silver wolves would be allowed? You really belive your shits?
Because people have brought it up, here's the context for the hand symbol's usage in the world of pro wrestling:
Sean Waltman aka X-Pac, was a member of a backstage group in mid-90s WWF known as the Kliq, which included Kevin Nash (Diesel), Scott Hall (Razor Ramon), Shawn Michaels, and HHH. Waltman supposedly encountered the wolf symbol during a tour of Europe, and introduced it to the rest of the group, who started using it backstage because they thought it was cool. They called it the "Turkish Wolf", but I doubt they knew/cared about the political significance. When Nash, Hall, and later Waltman jumped to WCW and founded the renegade group the New World Order (stylised nWo), they overtly used the gesture on television. The name "Too Sweet" derives from Nash, who would say "too sweet" when giving the gesture. It became especially prominent during the 1998 storyline where the nWo split into two factions: the Hogan-led faction, nWo White, was "Hollywood"; the Nash-led faction, nWo Red was "Wolfpack". From there, the symbol stuck in the minds of wrestling fans.
Finn Balor, aka Fergal Devitt (or Prince Devitt as he was known in Japan), was the original founder of Bullet Club in Japan. He states that he and Karl Anderson also thought the symbol was cool, and felt that they were paying homage to the nWo, which has significant ties to Japan - the nWo angle was partly inspired by the UWFI invasion of New Japan Pro Wrestling in the early-mid 90s, and there was an nWo Japan faction as well as Japanese members such as Masahiro Chono. The members of Bullet Club, including Kenny Omega, A.J. Styles, and the Young Bucks - a tag team consisting of brothers Matt and Nick Jackson - popularised "Too Sweet" as the name of the hand symbol. Balor left Bullet Club to join WWE, but the Young Bucks have continued to use the symbol in AEW, even though they couldn't initially refer to themselves as Bullet Club because it's a trademarked term owned by New Japan. The Bucks are executive vice presidents and co-founders of AEW. And that's why it's used in wrestling today.
Any attempt to mitigate or downplay the political significance of the hand gesture, especially in Europe, and the sensitivity surrounding it especially as relates to persecuted groups such as Alevis, the Armenians, the Kurds, etc. because of its prominence in pro wrestling is disingenuous and wilful disregard for context, cultural sensitivity, and honestly just decent human values of empathy and understanding. Pro wrestling took something political, stripped it of context, and used it to sell t-shirts, because that's what pro wrestling does. It doesn't mean wrestlers are necessarily wrong to use the symbol, but comparing it to the Demiral situation is a most egregious example of a false equivalency.
Hehe I answered someone in the short version. Thanks for the complete one from a fellow wrestling fan.
9:48 he shouldn’t be allowed to play on a UEFA pitch in a UEFA tournament ever again.
Like any other blm supporters and pro-lgbt lunatics? Or one rule for antiwhites and antifas and one rule for nationalists?
Wrong take, IMHO. I don't know much about Turkey internal politics, but, its seems that Demiral saluted a group that holds hostile views toward Kurdish, Armenian, Jewish and Christian people, and believes in the superiority of the Turkish nation. In the past, members of the Gray Wolves have committed numerous acts of violence ,
Yeaah, but blm-kneel was totally fine. What a joke.
@@gregorgerzson1767I don’t think the blm movement is aligned closely to ideas of direct hostility to ethnic or religious groups but I do believe any game of sports should remain as a political as possible
@@asonwillis7869 Ah, yeah, just an antiwhite, neomarxist hategroup, that killed whites, burned properties and looted shops
@@asonwillis7869 It isn’t, the BLM organization is entirely segmented from the movement - and beside that, BLM organization members aren’t constantly massacring people at memorials
@@asonwillis7869asians would disagree.
The Ban schould be way longer, in Fottbal is no room for Fascism and Racism UEFA schould have been way Harder on Demiral.
Italian player got banned from Football permanently for doing the [censored by youtube].
Dimorol got off easy.
[censored by youtube] is some nasty work.
Lazio players smh
Dude, "we" are not hurting Turkeys chance at making a run, Merih Demiral is hurting their chances.
First of all, we Germans are kinda sensitive when it comes to racism and promoting hate groups based on our history. In contrast to other countries that like to be all hush-hush about their sketchy past, we decided to educate young people about what happened in order to make sure it hopefully will never happen again.
Secondly, I would have expected the guy to be thrown out of the tournament for good. Imagine if a German player celebrated scoring by throwing a Nazi salute and talking about Lebensraum in the post-match interview. Could you imagine if an American player celebrated by putting on a KKK hood and unfurling the Confederate battle flag, and afterwards he'd say "The South will rise again"?
To add some context for non-German readers: The German media was in a complete uproar after Demirel showed the handsign, with a lot of Kurdish and Alevi activists getting a platform to talk about the threats and actual violence they or people they knew had experienced from the Gray Wolves, with several of them demanding he be banned entirely from the tournament and expressing disappointment about the short ban. If anything good comes from this situation, then that it might have brought enough attention to the ideology of the Gray Wolves to the general public that they might finally be outlawed in Germany.
to add further context in this sensitive Germany is a party called AfD (alternative for Germany) which got over 10% votes in the last elections for the EU Parlament
this is classical German behavior with double standard
there is a on going genocide in Gaza, Israel is literally on court in the ICC for this genocide and Germany is besides Israel and defends them
comparing the nazi salute with this is not the same, even in Germany the sign of the wolf is NOT illegal
the government is watching many organisationy, which don't do anything at all "guilt free until proven guilty"
this is such a shit show I hate it so much
@@Jojafox People do not understand that this gesture is not only used by Gray Wolves. In Turkey, it is used by your mildest nationalists to your ultra-nationalists.
@@mrtats6590 So what is your point? Are you saying? What is the meaning of the gesture? You have written nothing down to say that its not an equivalent to the Nazi Salute or KKK White Power.
Please trust me when i say i ask this in earnest. But does the German education system teach about German Africa/German Pacific colonies in the pre-ww1 era? Or do they mostly focus on the bad men of the 30s and 40s?
10:38 the ghost of the united states's run in copa america
Actually terrifying
WHAT THE FU
😂😂😂😂
Pretty normal to ban racists salutes on the World stage. Would be insane if this was allowed
you are insane
I’m actually glad that UEFA is taking it seriously. Just because a far right party is in government doesn’t mean we suddenly have to give them creditability and let what otherwise would be unacceptable slide.
You should do some more research into what that hate group has done and believes in and I think you’d be less inclined to both sides this issue.
Thing is, grey wolves are basically fascists. The Turkish argument is that the gesture doesn’t stand for them but for “Turkish pride”. Also, they called the action “political” because of the involvement of the German foreign ministry, saying that UEFA only acted the way they did because of it.
being far right is something really absurd, being far right on a "Middle East" State (which is already far right by our standards) is something else. I mean honestly, if the "best players" are racist and support genocide I'd argue who cares if they lose on the field, they've brought it onto themselves.
Someone kneels down in defense of black lives and all hell break lose, now we are questioning if a player should be suspended for 2 games during a sports tournement? He should be. If not for more.
The reason why we are having this conversation is because they are not what we consider "western". Aka Western/Central Europe, anglosphere. SEE: How we allow Chinese international students to treat tibetans, uyghurs, and japanese.
10:40 Are you getting robbed??
dude, if you still don’t understand, it’s as if he’s doing a nazi salute
Or to put the weird defenses into context it's as if you used a swastika and everyone was defending it because "iT's A hInDu SyMbOl Of GoOd LuCk".
The Gray Wolves are infamous for violently attacking Alevis, Armenians and Kurds, basically every minority group in Turkiye that they don't see as "ethnically Turkish". They're violent, ultra-nationalist, right-wing extremists whose members have committed several terrorist attacks. Boiling them down to "having been founded as the youth-wing of a conservative party and being followed by controversy" is dangerous. There's a reason they're considered the biggest right-wing extremist group in Germany, with almost 20.000 supporters.
@@DrZaius3141 He is literally Turkish though, so the Hindu player playing for a European team hypothetical is literally real. You can't just assume malice and punish people because of your personal hatred and lack of knowledge.
Next you'd say Christian players shouldn't be allowed to make a cross across their chest because Christians persecuted a certain group of people somewhere in history.
@@lolumoreally funny use of the word hatred in the context of advocating for non-Turkish genocide
@@DrZaius3141you might as well say the buddhist temple were made to worship Adolf Hitler 🙃
Finally done with the set up
I'm really liking this new video format. Hopefully your kidnapper is keeping you well
Z is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
"Ne mutlut türküm diyene" is a quote of Atatürk after declaring the Turkish Republic every Turks knows this and its used by everyone left wing right wing etc. Athletes usally say it after winning something important for the country not just football players but volleyball, martial arts, Olympics and so on
It would also be fine for die mannschaft to say something like "long live germany" or whatever after a win. Where it would get problematic is if they would do a roman salute at the the same time.
*Mysterious person slides in room*
Good on uefa.
Talking about how the Turks are here to conquer Europe again in the context of a Turkish player showing a nationalist gesture on the anniversary of the massacre of 33 Alevis by the same Turkish nationalists that use this greeting was...certainly a choice. A poor one. Love you Zealand, but this one wasn't it.
Also, members of the Gray Wolves are literal murderers, what are you talking about? They were behind several assassinations and assassination attempts from the 70s to the 2010s. There has been debate in Germany to outlaw them for quite some time, given that they are classified as the largest right-wing extremist group in Germany. Yes, bigger and better organized than German Neonazis.
Bellingham didn't get a suspended suspention I believe. He got a probationary suspention for 1 match, for one year. If he misbehaves again within the year, he will get this 1 match added on to whatever punishment will be handed out for the new misbehavior
Banning a gesture is crazy
Saw the title I thought it was about your background
If a German player is lifting his shirt to reveal a swastika he's not getting out of a ban by saying it's a symbol of Buddhism. That player is also definitely getting more than just a 2 game ban.
Whatever the reason, as a public figure you just HAVE to be aware of this stuff and you can't just use it without considering what could come of it. I'm not saying Demiral is part of the Grey Wolves and wants to align himself with them but he just can't shout it out and let everybody assume.
For a turkish person to do this is like throwing a hi hitler sign, if he actually is involved with the group he needs to be banned from professional football overall, only a 2 game ban basically tells people that this kind pf behavior is not gonna lead to big consequences.
Unfortunately turkey is under a natinalist dictatorship so thry would actually endore that behavior.
Turkey was nationalistic since its inception. You focus way too much on the fire rather than what started the fire
@@lukashradecky5492 turkey existed for centuries, wtf are you talking about.
If a German player made the Hitler salute, would you say the same? It sucks that the guy is suspended? LOL
Apples and oranges
@@lukashradecky5492 its the same thing...
@@pedrofreitas4262 Turkiye is an inherently nationalistic society where most people not associated with the mentioned far right terrorists are bound to use a symbol. Very typical of a westerner to do 10 minutes of research on a nation with a different culture then projecting the ills of your far right on to others
@@pedrofreitas4262 It isn't.
Please tell me I'm not the only one to see Zed's kidnapper.
15:25 I guess the closest example you could get regarding things blowing up and becoming a controversial talking point during a major football tournament would be Luis Suárez’s temporary yet not solitary albeit ephemeral flirtation with Italian clavicular vampirism garnering on downright cannibalism.
Please don't talk on something you don't understand. It's not OK to show a hate group's symbol on such a stage and his punishment is actually light for what he did.
I genuinely think Zealand has no understanding of just how dangerous, violent, murderous and downright racist the Gray Wolves actually are.
WTF looool you have no idea what the sign means
Have you been to a metal concert?
Context matters.
He never defended anything about it. He just told us the news and read the news about it and read what UEFA said and what the Turkish government said about it. If you watched the full video and saw the end of it, the only thing he said that this situation sucks and it’s unfortunate
bro if you look at the göktürkler's flag its the same grey wolf symbol. yeah i know it has been used by the group in this video. but there is no way that its like equal to the nazi hand. every turk i know is ok with this hand gesture. but its our history way before the ottomans as well. its a complicated thing i might say and its hard for the foreigners to understand
Man im so glad the armchair experts on the internet deemed this move as genocidal and ultra nationalist just by hearing it from each other . So happy to learn about my culture from weterner assumptions
I may have a disdain for Turkish nationalism as it can get racy at times but these Westerners clearly know nothing and are exaggerating
At first I was thinking 'Shame, he was immense in that game,' now I just think it's a shame for the rest of the team who were a joy to watch in the last round, I hope they can still be positive against the Netherlands.
turkish ultra groups already encouraged all of the turkish fans in attendence against the netherlands to do the salute as well so....
@@noreturn2231 we will find out how much influence they have and there will be a fine after the tournament. I was hoping they could get a boost from the last game.
He really let the side down.
Everyone know he was really just flashing the NWO Wolfpack sign from the WCW in the 90's
Bad time to be a 90s wrestling fan in european football
Never expected Zealandism to be a both-sider when it comes to Nazis.
Did somebody shit in your head?
That's so hateful of you, unnecessarily so
He never defended anything about it. He just told us the news and read the news about it and read what UEFA said and what the Turkish government said about it.
Understand the perspective of the far right or ultranationalists to effectively combat them
According to Nazis Turks are inferior people so what are you saying? What does showing a historical Turkish symbol have to do with Nazis
I wonder if you'd be singing the same tune if a german player did the nazi salute as a celebration, my guess is probably not
Turks did not throw Jews in gas chambers so I can't see how showing a Turkish cultural sign could possibly have something to do with Nazis
Sounds like a FAFO
holy shit, insane situation number x on youtube just droped
Hostage streamer vibes are back 🙌🏼
Honestly, after the explanation, 2 games doesn't seem like it's nearly enough.
The gesture is highly dubious and the player did know that and still stand behind his celebration.
If a player does the Nazi salute, he would be banned too. Demiral knew and still did it, it's really dumb
Two games for doing that in Germany is some slap on the wrist shit, well getting only two games overall is some slap on the wrist shit.. But considering that Germany has some laws regarding these types of "salutes" it's extra slappy.
All the people here talking about how bad the Grey Wolves are missing the point.
In Turkey that salute is not seen as the exclusive symbol of the Grey Wolves.
For example all the leaders of the major political parties in turkey(apart from the kurdish party) have used that salute in public.
If these politicians disagreed with the fascist group they wouldn't be using the fascist group's symbol, right??
@@humphrey4480 If these westerners disagreed with fascist groups they wouldn't be using a fascist group's symbol, right??
@@humphrey4480 The group also has light blue as their symbol. Does that make wearing the color light blue fascist? americans and europeans have 0 education…
@@James-zi5en What symbol are you referring to?
oh please the punishement is incredibly light, if a german player shows the nazi salute like this, he isnt banned for 2 matches he never plays again, and rightfully so.
‘Ne mutlu türküm diyene’ doesn’t really have a true translation in English. The saying was brought to history by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the founder of Türkiye Cumhuriyeti. And the saying isn’t attached to any party or movement so you and the people got it really wrong.
So in the end ‘Ne mutlu Türküm diyene’ is a saying that every Turkish people would say with pride because it basically says ‘How Happy is a Turk that can say I’m a Turk’ which is a showing of respect and appreciation towards our ancestors who fought for this soil and to the people who built this country out of pure havoc and through difficult times.
So THE saying is nothing but pure (national pride/milli gurur)
Yeah but when answering that in response to that symbol it's more like "only true turks" eg no kurds, armenians, christians etc.
@@Hyde_Hill you really don't know what you're talking about. Atatürk said everyone who lives on these lands and wants to be a part of this nation can call themselves as Turks, your religion or heritage does not matter, if you feel like a Turk then you can be one, that was the meaning, it is an inclusive saying, not divisive. Also, seriously, who gets offended by something like "proud to be American" as a non american for example? National pride is a thing that exists, things definitely did not have to escalate this much.
@@Hyde_Hill Turk is someone who lives in the Borders of Turkey. If a Christian or a Kurd lived in the borders of Anatolia. They are also Turks. I have a very close Christian friend and he is very Turk as a Turk can be.
@@Pringolier çok iyi açıklamışsın kanka, saol
He was paying homage to Hulk Hogan's icon NWO hand sign
Yeah Sean Waltman stole it from the Grey Wolves when on tour in Europe. Not knowing what it actually meant. That is how it got in the Kliq then NWO then later Bullet Club as an homage.
😂😂😂Gregg was just chilling
Was half expecting to see a shadow of a gun pointed at you cause wtf is this hostage ahh setup
you just cant be political. other players got banned as well and rules apply to everyone
'Ne Mutlu Türküm diyene' is actually comes from Atatürk, not from Grey Wolves.
new day, new hostage situation
For someone apparently educated on the Ottomans you're completely ignorant of Turkish history and actions. Not the first time either.
10:25 he literally says as much in the video
he should just have said hes a huge fan of japanese metal and a fan of babymetal xD because the metal fox sign we use at metal concerts is the same as the wolf sign xD
2 games is way too soft by UEFA. Should've been a few more (including games after the Euros ofc)
Is anyone going to mention that the ottomans never got passed Vienna, until now.
This part of world is so messed up. No point in doing anything about it. I was in Istanbul for a month 10 years ago and i can tell you its fucked up country. Im from Poland that has its own issues , but at least our woman can go out in the evening to have a dinner and feel safe
I also had a Turkish gf and she despites all Turkish man. Most of them apparently don't know what soap is
Ok tomek
@@tomekkaminski2677 yeah you are not facist or racist but we are right :D
Genuinely, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Not knowing what soap is? This is just misinformation
The hostage is back
Zealand, I love you man but you definitely missed here. I don't think you would have made this video if you were more familiar with the political landscape of Turkey, specifically their far right.
Why are people comparing this to Bellingham. I’m not an England fan but there is a clear difference between what he did and what Demiral did. What Jude did was not a political symbol and he didn’t keep talking about it. Why are people being ignorant?
They only feign ignorance because they know it's optically not adventageous to outright support the hand gesture.
@@der_balrog1383 whataboutism. A favorite tactic by political trolls, because while it is easy to debunk the base argument, it takes like 10 times more words to debunk than to make the whataboutism argument. Sometimes for trolls, its about volume, not about winning the argument.
Icl I just thought he was like a fan of heavy metal which is kinda cool
It would be equivalent to if a US national team or MLS player showed Confederate symbolism on the pitch in game. Or lifted his shirt to reveal a 'free the January 6th guys' shirt underneath. Would that fly in the US? Not in a million years.
He is suspended from the game for actions committed during the game. People get punished for that all the time. If you don't do that, all bets are off. Then some other player will make another, worse political provocation next time. And then when you try to suspend them, people will say: but you let Demiral off last time, what gives ?
I don't care what he tweets off pitch, he can support whatever cause he wants. I don't think that has anything to do with the punishment, or should have. But again, imagine an American player tweeting 'The South will rise again' or even just anything MAGA related. Would a player like that have his free speech respected in the US, just because it's officially constitutionally protected?
Please Z, blink twice if you're being held hostage
He umm he thinks we're over Vienna doesn't he!?
Why does this give me the terrorist video in Homeland vibes lmfao
Damn when he did it I thought it meant I love you
The dark shadowy figure behind you was so fucking creepy.
You mean his shadow lmao?
@@jhamartbrown Wasn’t a shadow. Whomever he shares the hotel room with was lurking at one point in the right corner of the screen as we see it.
Got to keep nWo Wolfpack off that European tour
1:46 good enough to play in a league comparable to league one? What a champion lmao
That's being generous
@@SUPERROSS1000 if I'm not mistaken that's what ELO says saudi arabia compares to
He played for Juventus and Atalanta…
@@matthewkwiatkowski8402 hey it's the really cool guy who adds nothing to a conversation
@@jaquandrejones good enough to be paid obscene money for it, that's the difference. Besides, I think this euro proved many players from Saudi are still absolutely world class. I mean Kante could probably still walk into any top european club startin XI lol
He should be and could be banned from part-taking in any UEFA-organised football. Period.
Holy shit he's actually been kidnapped...
At least they are letting him post his daily Zealandisms.
“They” can be seen at 10:49
Zealand Try Not To Change Background Challenge
He's gotten kidnapped again
Considering your comments I feel like this video needs to be edited. There is no both sides in this issue, and I think you see that now.
If he agreed to something before participating in the tournament then this seems valid to me, otherwise people should be allowed to have bad opinions.
The quality keeps hilariously gets worse every new update, that egirl/eboy set up will be remembered
I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but the same player did a political sign a few years back when the state of Türkiye was invading Kurdish Syrian areas. So giving a fee is just like showing that he can do this over and over again
There is a lot to unpack here, but the phrase how happy is the one who says he is a Turk is not part of that group at all, it is an ataturk quote
Honestly tired of ppl who don’t understand at all trying to speak on it. I wish you would have looked closer into the phrase and everything zealand
Makes no difference. Its linked to the far right group
@@isaacainsworth4537Germany's Bundesadler is not forbidden but Nazis used the eagle symbol as well do you care ?
@@eren9001LOL wrong, try again, you too stupid to know shit and a quick google talks about it being used as a coat of arms in medieval times, 1433 by Sigismund of Luxemburg, then 1871 to 1918 German Empire and then 1950 to present. Try again, this time not lying to prove your shit point.
@@isaacainsworth4537 its not at all, its literally just a normal phrase. its like saying god bless america.
The phrase he used in his tweet doesn't actually belong to Grey Wolves. It was originally used by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and therefore, along with his idea o nationalism, it embraces every single ethnicity that happens to have a Turkish passport. A big debate, I know but I just wanted to emphasize why Demiral actually used that phrase. It was a show of respect to Ataturk himself, which is kind of a red-line in Turkey as you know.
Absolute nonsense.
Maybe that gesture is a bit too sweet for UEFA
NWO took it from the Grey Wolves. Sean Waltman saw it on a tour in Europe not knowing what it meant. Introduced it to the Kliq, so made it into the NWO and then later as tribute the bullet club. Also larger explanation in the comment section.
The Grey Wolves seem very similar to the Young Turks
as a turkish guy i think wolf to us is like a rooster of france or duch s lion badge thing and 'ne mutklu türküm diyene' is famous saying of our country founder(Atatürk)
I get that dude. But the issue is when you let far-right to appropriate those signs and don't fight back it will receive a negative connotation.
Brother he literally said Ne mutlu Türküm diyene on twitter while doing the symbol come on
@@marco0445 pardon if saying in bad english.its like mbappe saying How happy is the one who says I am a french and do rooster symbol i would not care
Parroting Erdogan. That specific wolf sign is associated with the Grey Wolves, eg fascists. Nothing like the French rooster or Dutch lion. Don't excuse fascism.
@@Dante-mr3rz In Turkey, the gesture is associated with all nationalists from mildest to ultra. It is in Europe that it is only associated with ultra nationalists, because those are the only times Europeans see the gesture.
One game ban and move on, making an elephant out of a fly...
Perhaps he’s just a fan of Babymetal?