Initial S4 Mini build: ua-cam.com/video/kKAmABBPImg/v-deo.html More than a few of you asked how the 5950X would cope in this compact Skyreach 4 Mini build - so here it is! Note: part of the lower clocks that we’re seeing here are due to this specific motherboard, not just the increased thermals. With ideal cooling, this board will see all-core boost clocks in the 3700-3800MHz range with the 5950X, so the 3450MHz isn’t actually that terrible considering the form factor.
As amazing as this is, does the thermal throttling reduce the performance to the same level as cheaper CPUs, or does this still offer something over the 5 and 7 with the same case / hardware. Is it possible to compare how this performs in terms of creative tasks / game performance against the Ryzen 5 and 7?
@@joe_ferreira I am assuming that only tasks which utilise more cores would benefit from it, though I wonder if this will cause more thermal throttling.
@@potatotree just google "UDIMM very low profile ddr4 memory". My understanding is that they are used in 1U servers. They are quite common on e-bay, i have always been hesitant on pulling the trigger since I don't know if it is worth investing in them + the Black Ridge. Having Ali check it would be amazing
On some motherboards (*), the Alpenföhn Blackridge will have inqadequate mounting pressure. Some people got between 2-8°C thermal improvements just by adding a Noctua backplate (from the L9aL9i mounting kit)! (*) afaik this occurs mostly on cheaper motherboards which have less components and thinner PCBs, resulting in the motherboard slightly bending.
Wow, didn't know this. After testing, there appeared to be more than sufficient mounting pressure when I removed the heatsink, but I'll keep this in mind for future testing!
Is there a way to put a bigger slim fan on the cooler? A lot of the fins weren't covered. Or are the dimm sticks in the way? This content is seriously awesome and I would really be interested in another follow up video trying to optimize this to it's fullest potential. Maybe low profile ram with a bigger slim fan on the cpu cooler and deshrouding the gpu and replacing the fans with noctua ones. Now that would be a SICK video.
You can fit a 120mm slim fan on the Black Ridge but you have to use niche VLP (Very Low Profile) DIMMS. You do get slightly better performance for sure.
@@PabzRoz This is one of the best VLP memory that you can find : Micron 2x16GB 3200MHz MTA18ADF2G72AZ-3G2E1 they are Micron E-Dies D9WFL and can be overclocked to 3600Mhz @CL16 . See this thread on SFF.Network : smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/very-low-profile-ddr4-ram.9258/page-31
What a nice video. Beautifully lit with soft white light, really nice and simple graphs that stay plenty of time on screen and a balanced script. Great job
I mean he’s doubled from 200k this time last year The production value is great but his content is more niche , small form factor builds aren’t everyone’s cup of tea
@@ultraL2 agree but he does way more than sff content, a lot of good thermal testing and product reviews, he is sort of known for SFF content and maybe people only see it as a itx channel but even before I built small I was always amazed by it...watching someone build inside those massive cases is just so boring because anyone can do it...watching someone cram top of the line hardware with open loop cooling is just art 😂
I built my Dan A4 v4 last year with the Asus b550i, the same cooler setup and a 3700x. I've been really pleased with it and knew it could handle more, but im blown away to see it handle the 5950x. Great vid!
It would be really cool (no pun intended) to see how the performance of the 5950x compares with a 5900x. With _just_ 12 cores the 5900x wouldn't generate as much heat and thus not throttle as much, so could its 12 cores being lightly throttled compete with the 5950x's 16 cores being heavily throttled?
I am curious too. In theory both chips are limited to 140w by default anyway, but the 5950x might have better binning. If I had to guess the 5900x would actually lose more performance with more eco modes, but its purely speculation on my part. The only benefit might be you can get an all core overclock higher on the 5900x that lets your light core loads perform better since you lost the single core boost by manually setting the OC.
Actually no, they're both rated with the same TDP so what ends up happening is the extra power per core actually goes into achieving slightly higher all core clocks than the 5950x in the 5900x. Actually, interestingly enough, the 5900x should be hotter, given the heat is spread across less surface area (less rapid heat transfer to IHS) and an equivalent amount of heat is being generated. This is actually the basis for the 5800x being insanely hot, it's given the same power envelope as the 5950x with less surface area for dissipation, so a 5950x will clock quite a bit lower in all core (but not half because frequency/voltage isn't linear) and run a tad cooler under equal conditions.
I have a Lian-li PC-O11 Dynamic, so it's basically the complete opposite of a small form factor PC, and I still absolutely love how much content you do on SFF PCs. It makes it seem really awesome, and even tempts me to tinker around more with my own build, or look in a direction I definitely wouldn't have before for my next build.
Yeah, but where do you mount it? There is only so much space beneath the fins, and there needs to be a significant gap let where the air is sucked in or blown out, depending on which direction the fan blows. A extremely slim fan like this is definitely the way to go. If the radiator itself was designed differently to accommodate a larger and more powerful fan, youd definitely have a point, but the way it is, the only thing you can do is to moderately increase diameter.
Now it’s winter, coolers perform much better than when in summer, so maybe a slim cooler can handle something in winter, but turned out to be overheated in summer
Do a complete review with different slim 120mm fans. 2x120mm vs 1x120mm vs 120+92mm vs 92mm. And flip them to get the intake vs exhaust config temps. I really look forward to A12x15 Vs P12 slim on this cooler sub 47mm with VLP RAM.
oh now now lol an NCASE M1 deserves the kinda sophistication of a weekend duffle bag. Likely a premium tanned leather one. Class deserves class my friend lol
The question is, how would this fare in terms of thermals, performance and noise compared with 5900x, 5800x? When downvolted and clocked as much as it is, this becomes in particular relevant. Let's say the current configuration has same performance as a 5900x with this cooler, then it really wouldn't make sense to get the 5950x with the reduced performance at a higher price.
The thing with it is that with a 5900x it's going to push the clocks further to meet the same power rating the 5950x already has without tweaking. Obviously running a 5900x vs a 5950x in eco mode, though, you'll reach somewhat higher clocks on the fewer cores you have. The thing with voltage/frequency is that for a couple hundred extra MHz above a certain threshold you're pushing a lot of extra power, and beyond that for 100MHz you're pushing a lot of extra power, then 50MHz, then 25MHz, all the way until you're drawing as much as a 10900k for the extra 300MHz. AMD has been settling their CPUs comfortably in the "elbow" of the inverse parabolic voltage/frequency curve. It's really a funny thing, though, because in the most taxing single workloads the binning on 5950x would help it's core reach the highest possible freq without tweaking even despite running lower clocks on the rest of the cores in a multicore workload. At the end of the day a 5900x or 5800x would really not show substantial gains in the thermal department if the total package power didn't exceed the 142w on all of them and they're all trying to push as close to it as possible without overheating. A 16 core at 2.5GHz is still greater in performance than a 12 core at 2.8GHz.
I managed to get a 5950X as well as a RTX3090 But i need to switch from a 9900K to the AMD CPU so right now i am still lost on what mobo and ram to get. (PSU available is a 1000Watt corsair) I want to go with a custom waterloop for the first time too. (CPU and GPU) All goes into a Thermaltake Core X9 case so room is no issue at all. But i am so torn upon what to get and all the options for watercooling confuse me a lot :/
Makes me wonder if I pair an Alpenfohn Black Ridge with a Ryzen 5800X, then I attach an NF-A12x25 and NF-A9x14 onto the Black Ridge (as Ali did in his original Black Ridge review) what would be the severity of compromise in performance and thermals? How would a Ryzen 5900X fair in that scenario?
Always interesting to see you push limits. Thanks to your channel, I have my first SFF build in purchasing now. MB, memory and storage are here, waiting to decide on a case and cooling until after the shortages subside and I find out what I can get. I love the idea of a build this size, but since my next one will live on a desk, I think I'll be using something a bit larger in the interest of improved cooling and more importantly, reduced noise.
Would have been interested seeing some benchmarks comparing the 5600x and the 5950x with the optimized setting, I would guess in most games the 5600x would win in CPU limited games as it would boost single cores higher, and the 5950x would win in core heavy apps, would have been interested to see some benchmark data though. But great video! 👍
The Cheap Asrock b550 m-itx can fit a 120mm fan with normal low-profile ram, if you mount the Black ridge "upside-down". you only need to mod the fan a bit by cutting half a cornor off. i had it in my K39, really nice performance, without going on compromise with having to use ultra low profile memory running at 2133Mhz.
Cool test! My 3900X runs at -1,0mV colded by Noctua L9a built into a DanCase A4. With powerlimitation to 85Watt I have 20% loss in multithreadexperience but the noise is okay with DaVinci and the cooling stable at max. 73°C. I am glad that you build such amazing little boxes! 😍
I would've liked some benchmarks to accompany this great thermal look at the CPU, so that we could know how much performance we're losing while using the PBO2 and power/temp limits.
One real world use case for a setup like this is when you need more cores for virtualization workloads. For professional developers working with distributed systems like Kubernetes, having more threads to run your software stack can be a real god send. These workloads don’t need fast cores, just lots of them. This is my use case for a similar build to this - as well as gaming of course :)
I borrow my little brother’s t-shirts too. Just kidding, I bought the alpenfohn black ridge after seeing your original review video. Thanks for the SFF focused content. Keep it up!
Thanks for doing this! I have both of these parts and was interested in how this config would work. Can you dig a bit deeper into this and see how it would benefit using 120mm Noctua fan with low profile RAM? Or have you found issues with compat with VLP RAM and AMD CPUs? Also, as shameful as it sounds, what if you cut a hole and mounted a normal thickness 120mm fan on top of the cooler in addition to the fan below? Brilliant work as usual, keep it up!
+Mendoogle, writes _"Also, as shameful as it sounds, what if you cut a hole and mounted a normal thickness 120mm fan on top of the cooler in addition to the fan below?"_ If you're going to do that then why use this case at all? You could always just strap a fan to the outside, but again, that kinda destroys the point of using this case.
@@fred_derf yes, definitely get your point but what if he realized huge benefits from doing so? If the case maker then released a bulged side panel or slightly thicker case to enable higher end CPUs? Is all in the spirit of getting more perf per liter and that is what we are all here for :-)
THAT WAS A SUPER BUILD, NOW I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING FEVERISHLY ON SOMEHOW LIQUID COOLING THIS BUILD,,, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS BUILD THE GREATEST SFF OFF ALL TIMES ....WE HAVE FAITH IN YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just FYI, the default power settings on Asus boards are broken. Manually setting the EDC equal to the TDC (95A if you want "stock" behaviour) fixes this and gets similar frequencies to boards from Gigabyte and MSI, at least when cooling is sufficient (had the issue myself with my 5950X on both a Crosshair VII Formula and Impact).
Not to mention the noise from the blackridge v2, even with noctua fans its a jet engine due to the dense blades. I'm running a 3900x on a AXP-100 with a 120mm noctua, it's 58mm, and running silent and cool.
Built my Ghost S1 with the Asus Strix x570 and the 5950x now I just need to find a way to use the Tophat and meta customs top plate to seal everything nicely.
Be nice to get that 5600x from ya! My sff build is almost complete. Just 3 pieces to go, ordering a Asus B550I this Friday for my NR200 build. With the lack of availability of the 5600x I'm going to have to get a 3600. Then the hunt for a 3070fe begins, im at the mercy of the scalpers I geuss.
Incredible what ryzen has allowed for in terms of power per volume. Would there theoretically be space behind the gpu backplate to extend the cpu cooler heat pipes and finstack?
This makes me wonder how other low-profile coolers like the Scythe Big Shuriken 3 would fair against a 5950X if you replaced the default fan with a Noctua NF-F12x25 3000 RPM Industrial Strength Fan. That's what I'm planning to do for a build I'm about to make in the next couple of days, and not gonna lie, I'm kinda nervous. lmao
Did a run 5950x at 4.7/4.65 with a K63 280 but r20 scored 12400 @ 100 deg . Only did it twice as first run of 4,7 (1.3725v) hit thermal limit fail. In conclusion an aio is NOT sufficiant cooling running edc 300. Motherboard limits gets me edc 215 Msi Unify-x and a toasty 90 deg. Will swap to a arctic freezer 280 but still think this is not enough and perhaps focus more on single core performance. I enjoy overclocking and ram on zen 3 is more fun than zen 2 so bonus. Also going to experiment with a asus crosshair impact which bios are less cranky than the X
Should be fine at 3Ghz, IIRC my 3950x only pulls about 65w at 3ghz, i can run passive on my noctua NH C14S as far up as 2.7ghz without manual undervolting(IE i'm using windows power plans to quickly switch between energy profiles)
Because even if it's at lower clocks is still a ton of threads for the workloads that use it. I wonder if 5900x would maintain higher clocks and if so, compared to 5950x which one would work better?
One might say that, broadly, clock speeds and cores are, in this case, analogous to swings and roundabouts, although I'm not sure where ipc would fit. Otoh, you could put it in the fridge.
Have you tried flipping the fan to push air through the heatsink and also straight out of the case? Not sure if it would help, but seems like something worth testing.
I bought this cooler after seeing it on this channel but one thing that didn't get mentioned is that it interferes with the GPU slot so you either have to reverse it and point the pipes up or use it in a case with a riser/sandwich layout. Very inconvenient that this info is never mentioned by anybody.
@@optimumtech Just wish that info was more readily available. Never seen a warning about how it impacts the GPU slot until I bought it and tried to put it on. My case had enough space at the top for me to reverse it but it doesn't look good like that.
Thanks for the review! It would be interesting to see if there was any difference in performance between the two builds, a benchmark score or game fps that stressed the cpu :D
I would like to see if the blackridge with a top 120mm noctua fan can handle the 5950x without thermal throotling in those Sliger cases that can fit it... great vid, as always...
Hey, just another data point. I've had great success limiting power/heat by disabling turbo boosting. On my linux box this locks my 3950X at 3500MHz and some really interesting numbers: 944mV, 59A (cores) + 10.25A (SOC). Not sure how this would fare in a mini itx build, though. With an NH-D15 is practically silent at 57°C at an all core workload -- I have no trouble sleeping 2m away from my PC.
Love the videos, keep it up. :) Can you make a "Budget build" video for this form Factor, -> how cheap can you go and still have a console size PC.- you already have the case and the video card , it will be a matter of how much performance can you get out of cheaper MOBOs and CPUs .
Did you lose much cpu performance. In lower threaded applications such as gaming? Also what is the most powerful cpu that can sustain full performance with a case like this?
Could there be a meaningful difference in temperature when using the Ghost S1, the NH-L12 Ghost S1 Edition and the X570-I Strix? Thanks for the video. Great stuff!
Thanks for another great video! :) Would be interested to see how is the performance with low profile ram & 120mm slim fan. I'm using this combination to run my HTPC and it's dead silent for intel quad core.
I’d love to see a follow up to this video where you test the biggest or best air cooler for all the SSF cases you have. I have an ncase m1 and while I have an aio, it would be good to see how an cooler would fair.
What i'd do is a manual undervolt, in a 3800x i dropped 13º with the same all core frecuency and static voltage and in a 3200g with undervolt also variable frecuency and offset voltage dropped like 10º under load .
For on-site event editing this looks like a great idea, throw in a couple of portable screens and peripherals and you're set. But instead of a backpack I'd go for a small pelican case thst maybe you'd be able to use as stool in extreme cases.
What do you use to check stability after setting the undervolting in PBO? I tried using prime, had no issues, but then some programs crashed, which didnt with a lower undervolt. Can someone recommend a test to verify stability after undervolting? Thanks!
It would be interesting to see some benchmarks, or real world performance. I wonder if that CPU is the fastest you can get in that cast, or if a less thermal limited CPU would actually outperform it.
i just built a 5600x and 3060 ti in a geeek a30 v2 case with a noctua l9a with one case fan im getting spikes to 76c but usually its 72- 73c is that ok then for daily use im also getting another case fan soon..also how come u dont use flex power supplies? i love mine i got a enhance brand 600w paltinum model that ws modded by geeek.com so its fully modular
Initial S4 Mini build: ua-cam.com/video/kKAmABBPImg/v-deo.html
More than a few of you asked how the 5950X would cope in this compact Skyreach 4 Mini build - so here it is!
Note: part of the lower clocks that we’re seeing here are due to this specific motherboard, not just the increased thermals. With ideal cooling, this board will see all-core boost clocks in the 3700-3800MHz range with the 5950X, so the 3450MHz isn’t actually that terrible considering the form factor.
You really nailed it, again. Keep up the good work Ali!
As amazing as this is, does the thermal throttling reduce the performance to the same level as cheaper CPUs, or does this still offer something over the 5 and 7 with the same case / hardware.
Is it possible to compare how this performs in terms of creative tasks / game performance against the Ryzen 5 and 7?
oh wow, congratz on the 420k subs, your channel grew insanely fast from 40k! very well deserved!
@@matthewjethro2874 my thoughts exactly. If you can only get 3.5ghz then maybe a 5600x might out perform this...
@@joe_ferreira I am assuming that only tasks which utilise more cores would benefit from it, though I wonder if this will cause more thermal throttling.
I would love to check how the cooler performs using a 120 slim fan and a set of very low profile ram sticks
Yeah that would be interesting, especially since I think someone who builds in this case would definitely go that far.
@@potatotree corsair lpx.
@@potatotree I have seen people do it in the DAN A4 with this cooler and a 120 fan but those sticks are not easy to come by.
@@potatotree just google "UDIMM very low profile ddr4 memory". My understanding is that they are used in 1U servers. They are quite common on e-bay, i have always been hesitant on pulling the trigger since I don't know if it is worth investing in them + the Black Ridge. Having Ali check it would be amazing
Coursair vengeance? And Arctic slim p12 pwm fans?
Visuals and editing are top notch as always!
Simp
@@mechanicalmonkee6262 you are simp
Yeah the production quality on this channel is insane. Huge respect!
Idk how you manage to keep your videos so short yet so informative. I guess that's what getting straight to the point is about.👍🏻
He talks a little faster than most. He also continuously talks, seldomly pauses for affect.
The visuals and professional production is awesome
On some motherboards (*), the Alpenföhn Blackridge will have inqadequate mounting pressure.
Some people got between 2-8°C thermal improvements just by adding a Noctua backplate (from the L9aL9i mounting kit)!
(*) afaik this occurs mostly on cheaper motherboards which have less components and thinner PCBs, resulting in the motherboard slightly bending.
Wow, didn't know this. After testing, there appeared to be more than sufficient mounting pressure when I removed the heatsink, but I'll keep this in mind for future testing!
I myself modified the backplate of the mobo to achieve more pressure. Extended the hole diameters and dremeled down the standoffs.
Is there a way to put a bigger slim fan on the cooler? A lot of the fins weren't covered. Or are the dimm sticks in the way? This content is seriously awesome and I would really be interested in another follow up video trying to optimize this to it's fullest potential. Maybe low profile ram with a bigger slim fan on the cpu cooler and deshrouding the gpu and replacing the fans with noctua ones. Now that would be a SICK video.
You can fit a 120mm slim fan on the Black Ridge but you have to use niche VLP (Very Low Profile) DIMMS. You do get slightly better performance for sure.
@@davidcork771 Yup I figured. Thanks man. Get some VLP ram in there with an overclock. Seen some get up to 3600mhz with looser timings.
@@PabzRoz
This is one of the best VLP memory that you can find : Micron 2x16GB 3200MHz MTA18ADF2G72AZ-3G2E1 they are Micron E-Dies D9WFL and can be overclocked to 3600Mhz @CL16
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See this thread on SFF.Network : smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/very-low-profile-ddr4-ram.9258/page-31
@@charlesdetaille2215 That's actually the memory I was thinking of. I believe ballistix use micron e-die as well. It's pretty good.
What a nice video. Beautifully lit with soft white light, really nice and simple graphs that stay plenty of time on screen and a balanced script. Great job
If you swap out the standard RAM for some VLP modules, you can replace the 92mm fan on the cooler for a 120mm for that tiny bit of extra cooling.
Is that really "tiny bit"... isn't that more like 40% more cooling power? (sry for being late to the party)
How does this channel not have over 1 million?? Always great content and awesome editing production 👍
I mean he’s doubled from 200k this time last year
The production value is great but his content is more niche , small form factor builds aren’t everyone’s cup of tea
@@ultraL2 agree but he does way more than sff content, a lot of good thermal testing and product reviews, he is sort of known for SFF content and maybe people only see it as a itx channel but even before I built small I was always amazed by it...watching someone build inside those massive cases is just so boring because anyone can do it...watching someone cram top of the line hardware with open loop cooling is just art 😂
Because of videos like this.
Your videos are part of the reason why I bought a 4k monitor. Amazing shots, that A7SIII is looking mighty fine.
I built my Dan A4 v4 last year with the Asus b550i, the same cooler setup and a 3700x. I've been really pleased with it and knew it could handle more, but im blown away to see it handle the 5950x. Great vid!
Now I wonder how much a couple of 40mm x 10mm Noctuas on the top would help airflow and the clock speeds you would reach with a 5900X
It would be really cool (no pun intended) to see how the performance of the 5950x compares with a 5900x. With _just_ 12 cores the 5900x wouldn't generate as much heat and thus not throttle as much, so could its 12 cores being lightly throttled compete with the 5950x's 16 cores being heavily throttled?
I am curious too. In theory both chips are limited to 140w by default anyway, but the 5950x might have better binning. If I had to guess the 5900x would actually lose more performance with more eco modes, but its purely speculation on my part.
The only benefit might be you can get an all core overclock higher on the 5900x that lets your light core loads perform better since you lost the single core boost by manually setting the OC.
Actually no, they're both rated with the same TDP so what ends up happening is the extra power per core actually goes into achieving slightly higher all core clocks than the 5950x in the 5900x. Actually, interestingly enough, the 5900x should be hotter, given the heat is spread across less surface area (less rapid heat transfer to IHS) and an equivalent amount of heat is being generated. This is actually the basis for the 5800x being insanely hot, it's given the same power envelope as the 5950x with less surface area for dissipation, so a 5950x will clock quite a bit lower in all core (but not half because frequency/voltage isn't linear) and run a tad cooler under equal conditions.
I have a Lian-li PC-O11 Dynamic, so it's basically the complete opposite of a small form factor PC, and I still absolutely love how much content you do on SFF PCs. It makes it seem really awesome, and even tempts me to tinker around more with my own build, or look in a direction I definitely wouldn't have before for my next build.
Thanks for the video. Appreciate the testing you share with us.
Hardware canucks when PBO with undervolt offset performs 50% better than eco mode :O
Didn't think I'd be be hearing that GarageBand loop again in a 2021 UA-cam video. Brings back a lot of memories
You literally make the content to the questions I ask myself.
My complaint about this cooler is how small the fan is, if you put a bigger fan on the cooler it should cool better
Yeah, but where do you mount it? There is only so much space beneath the fins, and there needs to be a significant gap let where the air is sucked in or blown out, depending on which direction the fan blows. A extremely slim fan like this is definitely the way to go.
If the radiator itself was designed differently to accommodate a larger and more powerful fan, youd definitely have a point, but the way it is, the only thing you can do is to moderately increase diameter.
You can mount 15mm fan under or on top of Black Ridge, or 25mm on top. Fan brackets are already included.
I'm surprised you don't add a backplate to the Blackridge. I noticed warping on my board, so added one for rigidity. It helped a great deal!
Superpowered mini hotboxes are some of the coolest pc builds that can be made
Now it’s winter, coolers perform much better than when in summer, so maybe a slim cooler can handle something in winter, but turned out to be overheated in summer
Pretty sure Ali lives in Australia, so it is actually summer there rn
Do a complete review with different slim 120mm fans. 2x120mm vs 1x120mm vs 120+92mm vs 92mm. And flip them to get the intake vs exhaust config temps. I really look forward to A12x15 Vs P12 slim on this cooler sub 47mm with VLP RAM.
As always, a video of amazing quality.
i always find myself coming back to your channel to check out on various ITX builds... you are the niche out there :-)
I like how this chanel isnt cringy like all other tech chanels
I know what you mean.
@@jondonnelly3 *Linus*
Small Correction. 4:30 Clock speeds are 1,110 MHz Hz faster. Wow
Great video as always, original content to the highest quality.
oh now now lol an NCASE M1 deserves the kinda sophistication of a weekend duffle bag. Likely a premium tanned leather one. Class deserves class my friend lol
NR200 too
The question is, how would this fare in terms of thermals, performance and noise compared with 5900x, 5800x? When downvolted and clocked as much as it is, this becomes in particular relevant. Let's say the current configuration has same performance as a 5900x with this cooler, then it really wouldn't make sense to get the 5950x with the reduced performance at a higher price.
The thing with it is that with a 5900x it's going to push the clocks further to meet the same power rating the 5950x already has without tweaking. Obviously running a 5900x vs a 5950x in eco mode, though, you'll reach somewhat higher clocks on the fewer cores you have. The thing with voltage/frequency is that for a couple hundred extra MHz above a certain threshold you're pushing a lot of extra power, and beyond that for 100MHz you're pushing a lot of extra power, then 50MHz, then 25MHz, all the way until you're drawing as much as a 10900k for the extra 300MHz. AMD has been settling their CPUs comfortably in the "elbow" of the inverse parabolic voltage/frequency curve. It's really a funny thing, though, because in the most taxing single workloads the binning on 5950x would help it's core reach the highest possible freq without tweaking even despite running lower clocks on the rest of the cores in a multicore workload. At the end of the day a 5900x or 5800x would really not show substantial gains in the thermal department if the total package power didn't exceed the 142w on all of them and they're all trying to push as close to it as possible without overheating. A 16 core at 2.5GHz is still greater in performance than a 12 core at 2.8GHz.
I managed to get a 5950X as well as a RTX3090
But i need to switch from a 9900K to the AMD CPU so right now i am still lost on what mobo and ram to get. (PSU available is a 1000Watt corsair)
I want to go with a custom waterloop for the first time too. (CPU and GPU)
All goes into a Thermaltake Core X9 case so room is no issue at all.
But i am so torn upon what to get and all the options for watercooling confuse me a lot :/
Makes me wonder if I pair an Alpenfohn Black Ridge with a Ryzen 5800X, then I attach an NF-A12x25 and NF-A9x14 onto the Black Ridge (as Ali did in his original Black Ridge review) what would be the severity of compromise in performance and thermals? How would a Ryzen 5900X fair in that scenario?
Always interesting to see you push limits. Thanks to your channel, I have my first SFF build in purchasing now. MB, memory and storage are here, waiting to decide on a case and cooling until after the shortages subside and I find out what I can get. I love the idea of a build this size, but since my next one will live on a desk, I think I'll be using something a bit larger in the interest of improved cooling and more importantly, reduced noise.
THE INTRO MUSIC, PLEASE, WE NEED IT
Forever Sunset - City Lights, City Dreams
Haha I recognised the synth as a GarageBand loop from 2011 straight away
@@tensorwizard8722 YES THIS
Great vids man keep it up 👍
Bravo ! the best work that I have seen from all the UA-camrs and Techs ! PRO level !
Would have been interested seeing some benchmarks comparing the 5600x and the 5950x with the optimized setting, I would guess in most games the 5600x would win in CPU limited games as it would boost single cores higher, and the 5950x would win in core heavy apps, would have been interested to see some benchmark data though. But great video! 👍
The video I have been waiting for!!!
The Cheap Asrock b550 m-itx can fit a 120mm fan with normal low-profile ram, if you mount the Black ridge "upside-down".
you only need to mod the fan a bit by cutting half a cornor off.
i had it in my K39, really nice performance, without going on compromise with having to use ultra low profile memory running at 2133Mhz.
Hey! MSI just the RTX 3060 Ti Aero ITX! Would love to see a Velka 3 build with that and a 5600x!
Have you tested the 8 core 5800x in that case ? I am interested
That Will work just fine at 70-80°C but clocked 100-200 mehz lower and with undervolt.
Cool test! My 3900X runs at -1,0mV colded by Noctua L9a built into a DanCase A4. With powerlimitation to 85Watt I have 20% loss in multithreadexperience but the noise is okay with DaVinci and the cooling stable at max. 73°C.
I am glad that you build such amazing little boxes! 😍
I would've liked some benchmarks to accompany this great thermal look at the CPU, so that we could know how much performance we're losing while using the PBO2 and power/temp limits.
One real world use case for a setup like this is when you need more cores for virtualization workloads. For professional developers working with distributed systems like Kubernetes, having more threads to run your software stack can be a real god send. These workloads don’t need fast cores, just lots of them. This is my use case for a similar build to this - as well as gaming of course :)
If only this cases can be bought by us mere mortals
They can
@@weavercs4014 always out of stock
I borrow my little brother’s t-shirts too.
Just kidding, I bought the alpenfohn black ridge after seeing your original review video. Thanks for the SFF focused content. Keep it up!
Thanks for doing this! I have both of these parts and was interested in how this config would work. Can you dig a bit deeper into this and see how it would benefit using 120mm Noctua fan with low profile RAM? Or have you found issues with compat with VLP RAM and AMD CPUs? Also, as shameful as it sounds, what if you cut a hole and mounted a normal thickness 120mm fan on top of the cooler in addition to the fan below? Brilliant work as usual, keep it up!
+Mendoogle, writes _"Also, as shameful as it sounds, what if you cut a hole and mounted a normal thickness 120mm fan on top of the cooler in addition to the fan below?"_
If you're going to do that then why use this case at all?
You could always just strap a fan to the outside, but again, that kinda destroys the point of using this case.
@@fred_derf yes, definitely get your point but what if he realized huge benefits from doing so? If the case maker then released a bulged side panel or slightly thicker case to enable higher end CPUs? Is all in the spirit of getting more perf per liter and that is what we are all here for :-)
@@Mendoogle OK, I thought you were talking about an end-user modification, not a test system.
THAT WAS A SUPER BUILD, NOW I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING FEVERISHLY ON SOMEHOW LIQUID COOLING THIS BUILD,,, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS BUILD THE GREATEST SFF OFF ALL TIMES ....WE HAVE FAITH IN YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would love to pair it with Thermalright AXP-90 Full Copper.
Just FYI, the default power settings on Asus boards are broken. Manually setting the EDC equal to the TDC (95A if you want "stock" behaviour) fixes this and gets similar frequencies to boards from Gigabyte and MSI, at least when cooling is sufficient (had the issue myself with my 5950X on both a Crosshair VII Formula and Impact).
Not to mention the noise from the blackridge v2, even with noctua fans its a jet engine due to the dense blades. I'm running a 3900x on a AXP-100 with a 120mm noctua, it's 58mm, and running silent and cool.
Built my Ghost S1 with the Asus Strix x570 and the 5950x now I just need to find a way to use the Tophat and meta customs top plate to seal everything nicely.
Be nice to get that 5600x from ya! My sff build is almost complete. Just 3 pieces to go, ordering a Asus B550I this Friday for my NR200 build. With the lack of availability of the 5600x I'm going to have to get a 3600. Then the hunt for a 3070fe begins, im at the mercy of the scalpers I geuss.
This video just came when i was struggling to find an answer , thanks
I believe the cooler can accommodate a 120mm fan right? Did you perhaps try with that too...?
Incredible what ryzen has allowed for in terms of power per volume.
Would there theoretically be space behind the gpu backplate to extend the cpu cooler heat pipes and finstack?
This makes me wonder how other low-profile coolers like the Scythe Big Shuriken 3 would fair against a 5950X if you replaced the default fan with a Noctua NF-F12x25 3000 RPM Industrial Strength Fan.
That's what I'm planning to do for a build I'm about to make in the next couple of days, and not gonna lie, I'm kinda nervous. lmao
good video! love to see more!
Is your ram low enough to have instead used a 120mm X 15mm fan? It would be interesting to see the difference it could make.
Did a run 5950x at 4.7/4.65 with a K63 280 but r20 scored 12400 @ 100 deg . Only did it twice as first run of 4,7 (1.3725v) hit thermal limit fail. In conclusion an aio is NOT sufficiant cooling running edc 300. Motherboard limits gets me edc 215 Msi Unify-x and a toasty 90 deg. Will swap to a arctic freezer 280 but still think this is not enough and perhaps focus more on single core performance. I enjoy overclocking and ram on zen 3 is more fun than zen 2 so bonus. Also going to experiment with a asus crosshair impact which bios are less cranky than the X
Should be fine at 3Ghz, IIRC my 3950x only pulls about 65w at 3ghz, i can run passive on my noctua NH C14S as far up as 2.7ghz without manual undervolting(IE i'm using windows power plans to quickly switch between energy profiles)
I don’t understand what the term “stock” meant during testing. The alpenphon black ridge isnt a stock cooler.
Because even if it's at lower clocks is still a ton of threads for the workloads that use it. I wonder if 5900x would maintain higher clocks and if so, compared to 5950x which one would work better?
Im watching this with my 4460 and 960 in a sugo sg5. And imagening how nice it would be to upgrade.....
Running the exact same, CPU still seems fine to me, waiting for the 3050Ti as that might be a worthy upgrade
@@Yuzuki1337 yes me too. Im not going to upgrade the cpu. The gpu i was waiting for the 6700, or Nvidia's equivelant.
This is literally the best Tech channel on UA-cam why the hell does he not have over 1 million subs already
One might say that, broadly, clock speeds and cores are, in this case, analogous to swings and roundabouts, although I'm not sure where ipc would fit.
Otoh, you could put it in the fridge.
Have you tried flipping the fan to push air through the heatsink and also straight out of the case? Not sure if it would help, but seems like something worth testing.
Try using CTR. Undervolts by this program are amazing
I bought this cooler after seeing it on this channel but one thing that didn't get mentioned is that it interferes with the GPU slot so you either have to reverse it and point the pipes up or use it in a case with a riser/sandwich layout. Very inconvenient that this info is never mentioned by anybody.
It's designed for slim cases / those with a sandwich layout. If it's interfering with your graphics card, you've got space for a much larger cooler.
@@optimumtech Just wish that info was more readily available. Never seen a warning about how it impacts the GPU slot until I bought it and tried to put it on. My case had enough space at the top for me to reverse it but it doesn't look good like that.
@@optimumtech what mounts are you using for the blackridge?
Is it possible to use a larger fan the covers more of the heat sink fins? I think that could help better cooling
Thanks for the review!
It would be interesting to see if there was any difference in performance between the two builds, a benchmark score or game fps that stressed the cpu :D
Great video, in your initial build you didnt come arounds temps of the CPU. Do you have graphs for comparison (5600x vs 5950x)
I would like to see if the blackridge with a top 120mm noctua fan can handle the 5950x without thermal throotling in those Sliger cases that can fit it... great vid, as always...
Your muscles get bigger every video
Me after reading the title:
Ah! Absolute mad lad!
Hey, just another data point. I've had great success limiting power/heat by disabling turbo boosting. On my linux box this locks my 3950X at 3500MHz and some really interesting numbers: 944mV, 59A (cores) + 10.25A (SOC). Not sure how this would fare in a mini itx build, though. With an NH-D15 is practically silent at 57°C at an all core workload -- I have no trouble sleeping 2m away from my PC.
Love the videos, keep it up. :)
Can you make a "Budget build" video for this form Factor, -> how cheap can you go and still have a console size PC.-
you already have the case and the video card , it will be a matter of how much performance can you get out of cheaper MOBOs and CPUs .
you should test it with VLP RAM and a 120mm fan
He cud mod the case to give it a power bulge to get a slim 120mm on top. Get out the cutting disk!
@@jondonnelly3 no, the cooler supports a 120mm fan underneath if you use vlp ram
Did you lose much cpu performance. In lower threaded applications such as gaming? Also what is the most powerful cpu that can sustain full performance with a case like this?
Losing 1Ghz is an insane amount and not worth it at all
47mm Cooler: *exsists*
5950x: And I took that personally.
Could there be a meaningful difference in temperature when using the Ghost S1, the NH-L12 Ghost S1 Edition and the X570-I Strix?
Thanks for the video. Great stuff!
Thanks for another great video! :)
Would be interested to see how is the performance with low profile ram & 120mm slim fan. I'm using this combination to run my HTPC and it's dead silent for intel quad core.
I’d love to see a follow up to this video where you test the biggest or best air cooler for all the SSF cases you have. I have an ncase m1 and while I have an aio, it would be good to see how an cooler would fair.
Love the video! Could you put out a guide for undervolting 5800x in bios? Maybe a guide with the x570 TUF Gaming Pro? Would be much appreciated!
As mentioned, check out his PBO2 video, that should help I guess
I've been wondering have you ever tried using that one Cryorig slim fan to see if it would fit that cooler?
What i'd do is a manual undervolt, in a 3800x i dropped 13º with the same all core frecuency and static voltage and in a 3200g with undervolt also variable frecuency and offset voltage dropped like 10º under load .
How does it perform when the fan is set to blow through the heatsink? Looks likes it's pulling air through
For on-site event editing this looks like a great idea, throw in a couple of portable screens and peripherals and you're set. But instead of a backpack I'd go for a small pelican case thst maybe you'd be able to use as stool in extreme cases.
What do you use to check stability after setting the undervolting in PBO? I tried using prime, had no issues, but then some programs crashed, which didnt with a lower undervolt.
Can someone recommend a test to verify stability after undervolting? Thanks!
Hows the 5900X compared?
It would be interesting to see some benchmarks, or real world performance. I wonder if that CPU is the fastest you can get in that cast, or if a less thermal limited CPU would actually outperform it.
How is performance vs the 5600X?
Please make a follow-up video where you make either a ultra portable full setup or a Thicc laptop using this case
could we get a revisit of the Alpenfohn Black Ridge with VLP ram and 120mm underneath?
Do you think the 5800X would be okay to run in this system?
I could see this used as a VR system you could put on your back for VR, like the ol' zotac backpack vr rig they made a couple of years ago
i just built a 5600x and 3060 ti in a geeek a30 v2 case with a noctua l9a with one case fan im getting spikes to 76c but usually its 72- 73c is that ok then for daily use im also getting another case fan soon..also how come u dont use flex power supplies? i love mine i got a enhance brand 600w paltinum model that ws modded by geeek.com so its fully modular
If 5700X would run stock but set the voltage manually, would it lower the temps and make the Black Ridge still a viable cooler for an 8 core cpu?
can you make a video with the 12core and 8 core:) would be were nice from you.