The Pimlico Mystery - Did Adelaide Bartlett Get Away with Murder?
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2023
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The Pimlico Mystery was a poisoning case that gripped Victorian England, but was it murder?
In today's episode we explore the events leading up to the death of Edwin Bartlett and ask if his wife Adelaide, got away with murder...
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Can you do unsolved or old victorian, historical murders in and around Leicester please I know we have a lot of interesting murders 1 example the green bicycle murder of Bella Wright then we have the suitcase murder of highefields
Seeing our typically grave and stoic Paul in a cheeky paper crown and nibbling on some mince pies was an absolute delight! 😄 Cheers!
I love how Paul said "Relations" 😂
Yes. And with that very slight tilt of his head and a tiny sly smile on the corner of his lips. TeHe!! 🤭 (Such a scoundrel!) 😂😂 Forgive me. I couldn’t resist.
@@sarafleming9893 and my mind went off and running......
.... after a nice long pause.
Having used chloroform in university, I seem to remember that it has a distinct and pungent odour. I'd be surprised if he could drink it, even diluted, without realizing it.
Yes indeed. I used to work with chloroform (CHCl3) as an analytical chemist. I can say that ingesting it would take a significant and conscious suppression of the gag reflex. And it does indeed 'burn' the skin (as it slowly dissolves fatty tissues immediately beneath the skin surface), though not as severely or quickly as methylene chloride (CH2Cl2).
I agree. I'm old enough to have been put under using chloroform on more than one occasion by my ear doctor when I was a kid. A cloth over my nose and mouth. It's an odor that's impossible to forget, and no matter how diluted, I think it would be VERY easily detectible. 🤢
@@Kari.F. Are you kidding? With those effects, it was still used medically and on kids, no less? Yikes. I'm sorry. And thank you for the insight. I had surgery very young, in the 1960s. Happily, I do not remember almost any of it.
@@addie_is_me Very common for painful procedures that didn't take more than a couple of minutes. I had hernia surgery when I was three, and I had full on anesthesia for that one, thank goodness. All of it happened in the mid to late 1960ies. Oh, how things have changed...
I love this one!
The infection in his mouth could have been making him so sick.
A true mystery, Paul. I lean toward her being innocent. Her husband had some pretty strange quirks. It reminded me of the Lizzie Borden case. I still can't decide on that one.
Borden's case gets easy to understand if you look into the way it was covered. Sometimes people just want to believe things and make them up. The local paper was obsessed with lying about her.
Lizzie’s case is more blatant. She was clearly the guilty party in that situation. It’s honestly astounding anyone still questions it. Crazy, in fact.
@@Tsumami__ out of curiosity - what argument speaks to you the most in the Borden case? Money? Jealously? Burned dress?
I'm not gonna ask about the time between first and second murder because that's been fairly disproven with modern understanding of blood thickening.
@@Tsumami__ LOL no it's astounding that anyone still believes she could have done all the tasks needed in the very short timeframe, including cleanup and making an axe look like it had been resting in one place for years.
@@audreymuzingo933 I think a lot more points to her guilt than away from it. Not that she did it by herself necessarily, if she did it and not that there is no other possible suspect, I think she looks good for it. You are very sure though, so I am going to google the time between the murders, you brought up.
What an incredibly honest and reasonable jury!
Fortunately she had a good lawyer.
@@jenmdawgShe might have had a good lover who knew what to say that might get her off.
@@Harley_Girl68lover...😊
@@Harley_Girl68 "Might" is the very definition of reasonable doubt. Anyway to me George's testimony wasn't even that relevant. The extreme unlikelihood that someone could be murdered by a chemical that is so easily detectible, that is most relevant.
@@audreymuzingo933 you're too focused on something stupid. Back then they drank mercury. They drank everything that was bad for them. They put lead in paint. They didn't know what was bad for them and what was good for them yet. And if they did they didn't believe it. she probably put poison with water and told him it was medicine that would make him feel better. she said you have to gulp it down really fast to make it work or it will taste bad or something. It's not that hard to understand. 2+2 = 4
Another great mystery! I will say that Victorian era medicine bottles were notoriously difficult to tell apart and medical 'prescriptions' where a bit dodgy on how much you should take, so this could be as much a accidental death as a murder.
Aaahhhh! A proper "Agatha Christy" whodunit"
Well done, as always, Paul!
My question to you is... were the genders reversed, would you feel the same? For most people the answer is no, they would demand justice for Adelaide...
@@frakismaximus3052if the genders were reversed and it was murder I doubt he'd've gone and woken up the Landlord first and, assuming she too performed Edwin's maudlin antics, she'd've be denounced as "hysterical and obviously suicidal. Case closed".
@@frakismaximus3052 It sounds like you carry unjustified bias about what bias you think "most people" carry, LOL.
That said, this would not be a simple question of "which gender would kill which gender?" If the deceased were Adelaide, it would be very interesting to note that she had been treated like a child by her husband, who was also so controlling he wouldn't even allow her medical care during childbirth. Given that history, the prosecution could make the case that he made her drink the concoction under some pretense about her health or whatever.
But if I (a woman) were on the jury, I would NOT convict him, because I know what reasonable doubt means!
Why would she kill him? And in such a sloppy manner? He was fine with her affair and seemed like he genuinely cared about her. He was leaving her money anyways.
I guess one could argue she just couldn't wait for him to die naturally, but that would make her pretty monstrously cold, and that doesn't really fit with taking care of him so well, for so long. Why not kill him then, when it would have been less suspicious? And why kill him in such a sloppy manner? That diesn't fit with a "highly intellegent" woman who knows her in-laws are suspicious of her. The motive to murder him just seems very problematic to me.
How did it seem like he genuinely cared about her? You know nothing about the relationship. It wasn't an affair, he let it happen, it's called an open relationship. She said she drugged him to keep him from having sex with her, that's not something a sane non-murdering woman does, how are you so blind to obvious truth?
It sounds as if the wife was innocent. Circumstances can be stranger than fiction.
She had him buy the chloroform, lied about it, and then changed her statement to say she did use it to knock him out to avoid being intimate with him sometimes. She did it.
@@MikadoYumaDr. Leach said that Edwin insisted on being given a prescription for chloroform. Dyson had the prescription filled. Yes, he lied about it, for whatever reason. Chloroform can be used as an aphrodisiac and was well known to have this property. Dyson may have feared that he might be suspected of using it this way.
@@SuzanneU it literally says the girl got it for her husband without telling him and without giving the doctor a good reason for having it. The doctor assumed it would help the patient, you're wrong. She got the prescription without his knowledge and killed him. It's so obvious.
Truth is people back then are kind of just stupid. If you're lovely wife gives you a cup of water mix with something that smells funny but tells you it's just medicine that'll help you feel better you'll probably drink it. Especially if she tells you to gulp it down. Not that strange. But your pee heads can't comprehend that, so she's probably innocent because you can't put 2+2 together
Sounds as if she murdered her husband, Who was dumb enough to drink a cup of whatever the hell was in it just because his wife says so.. but I mean no right truth is stranger than fiction or something poetic that makes me seem smart..
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If the landlord could smell the ether in the glass he must have smelled it also. Have a wonderful New Year Paul, I look forward to new stories in 2024.
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Wasn't she a lovely creature!
Fascinating video. Well done.
Creature, creature!! any specific type????
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Sounds like he could have easily died from an infection that spread from his teeth to his blood. And tbh, if I was suffering like that from severely rotting teeth and in that era, yeesh, I might consider drinking that chloroform, too.
That happens more often than people realize. It is very easy to get sepsis from having a infection in your mouth
Could his bad breath due to the rotten teeth overpower his sense of smell as well?
@@vixxter3099
True , my son had sepsis 4 yrs ago , they put it down to an infected tooth. Luckily he came through it and is fine.
Another fascinating story and well narrated.
Those pictures make her look surprisingly modern. She could be from the 1980s, not 1880s.
yes indeed. some cases from the 1920s look even more antiquated. she has a timeless appearance.
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I noticed those too. Mutton chops, but not quite the usual ones!
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She probably remarried. The old man wanted her to have a lover, cause he himself was unfaithful. Why else would he be convinced he had syphillis? Guilt took him.
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The prosecution couldn't prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.
Absolutely, and it's refreshing to see, considering how many of these old cases ended with someone getting hanged despite massive reasonable doubt, LOL. Heck, even some MODERN cases.
Interesting story, as chloroform has a distinct odor he must have been dosing himself. The doctor did say he was hysterical and overly concerned with his health. I am trying not to apply modern thought processes on the times then, very different views.
Maybe he had Munchausen syndrome?
@@MikadoYuma From what I've seen, just about every Victorian with coins left over after food and shelter .... had Munchausen's. 😆
Curiouser and curiouser. I think that I would in all conscience have to say 'Not Guilty'.
I watched the marvellous Dame Sue Black giving 3 lectures on forensics, (here on YT) and in one of them she said that for the justice system to work; if there is any Shadow of a doubt, the jury must find not guilty. I think this jury acquitted themselves well.
Don’t you love it when you feel miserable and your doctor just tells you to touch grass? A timeless phenomenon.
Depends on the grass 😂
HAPPY Christmas paul from 🇮🇪
Adelaide bears a strong resemblance to the actress Hllary Swank.
I wouldn't say "strong" but I see it now that you point it out.
EDIT: How about, if Hillary Swank and Audrey Tautou had a baby. 😁
It seems to me that the two men were more than friends.. maybe some camouflage going on here.
That's a spicy take 😉
Paul, the resemblance between you and 'the rebel without a cause' is uncanny, you being dangerously dapper and all !
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I just gotta say she has a really cute lil pixie haircut that seemed to be ahead of her time hairstyle wise, murderous or not, she was pretty, and that's a really nicely preserved photo of her! 😊
Yes I liked my own comment 🫣😵💫✌️...
Always neat to see new historical images on a case.
If she had done it why didn't she get rid of the glass. Was he also dosing himself too and just got the dose wrong after finding out she was too
Because some murderers are not too bright. 😂
Because she looked less guilty leaving it. Her husband had odd ideas so suicide wasn’t out of the question. Her lover seemed to know what to say to provide doubt and she openly admitted to drugging him to not have to have relations. I think there is a big chance it was a well thought out plan. She even brought in another “Doctor” to say her was fine knowing he didn’t believe he was. She set the stage no doubt!
@@Harley_Girl68 "no doubt"? I sure hope you are never on an actual jury, LOL.
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Mmmm, one to ponder. Happy Hogmanay Paul 🎉
I don't see how it's possible to derive either innocence or guilt from the described circumstances, I agree with the verdict. Maybe with modern forensic methods there could have been a definitive answer.
Well there would certainly be more than nose-smelling for chemical analysis, ha. But even if the same lethal chemical was in both the stomach and the drinking glass, it would still take evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Adelaide was the one who put it in the glass.
I think her husband was being devious when he changed his will
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Perfect verdict, perfect example of 'reasonable doubt.' Nowadays it might be different. For one thing real chemical analysis of the stomach and drinking glass contents would be a lot more reliable than nose-sniffing, lol. But even if chloroform was indeed present in both vessels, that still wouldn't prove that Adelaide put it in the glass. In fact, there would still be ample reasonable doubt that she did NOT, because if it does burn the mouth so badly, it's extremely unlikely that Edwin wouldn't have noticed and kept drinking it.
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I'm going to leave this one to the jury and let her innocence stand.
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Interesting case and excellent narration paul ❤ this one has me thinking but i think i agree with the jury
Love your shows sir.
Imagine living your ordinary life and dying, and then -/+100 years later, your entire life and death is laid out in a book/movie/video. Bet no one sees that coming 😂
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The one thing I’m curious about is the state of her hair, it looks like it’s been cropped with a pair of blunt scissors. Very unusual for the time she lived in!
I enjoyed that,thank you.
Reminds me one other, maybe more famous, poisoning case, that of Charles Bravo.