Perfect video for me. Did my 50st jump last week. My first container (Vector3) should arrive in a few weeks (fingers crossed). I´ll go with a new container (because of my size it was not likely to find a good fitting used container, checked with several riggers and then made the decision to buy new); the main, reserve and AAD will be used tho. I´m looking for something around 168 -170 sqf for my first parachute. I already jumped with Navigator 210 200 190, Pilot 168, and Scorpion 170. I weight around 57kg naked so I get a wingload of around 0.9 with a 170.
Holy shit man. The thumbnail does not give this video justice. Awesome material and editing. Please work on channel page and thumbnails design because it really doesn't reflect the content quality of your videos.
Im on the market for a rig and would love it if you could make a video on containers =) I am thinking icon because I don't understand what an extra 1-2k for a vector provides valuewise
A bit over repetitive but very good advice. Square 1 used to have a very good canopy purchase program. I don't know if they still do. You put a minimum of $ 4000 down on a new complete rig and had up to twelve months of free rentals before decision/order time. I jumped a variety of beginner canopies over about 10 months and had at least 100 jumps when I chose a Sabre 2 170 and Javelin container for my first rig. It is still my main rig 20 years later. I was in my late 50's when I started and never felt the need for a smaller / faster canopy. Only change was to Dacron lines to soften the openings.
Before buying used, I went to square 1. They do still offer the program but it's much more expensive now. I think it was around 7k for the cheapest complete. Glad I got mine through Facebook
awesome info .. thank you very much .. i'm new, older guy (early 50s) (54 jumps B lic) .. and your video will definitely help me. i dont know if i will make the right choices, but this information will certainly help prevent me from making the wrong choice ;-)
As a new skydiver, I bought a complete used rig from someone the same height and weight as me. The canopy is a fluid wings nexus, and now I can't find any reviews or info about how it flies because it's not a bigger company. Do you have an opinion on if it's appropriate for a beginner?
Jasmine Black I took a look at their website, and it is marketed to beginners. I haven’t heard of it or know anyone that’s jumped it (though I have hard of fluid wings), but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad canopy. I just can’t speak to it.
Ty, great video for the beginner like me. Just finished my AFF and now working on A lic. Working with student/rental rigs till 25 jumps then would like to purchase shortly after. This is a great reference!!!
Question - and hopefully you will see this. :) I used to jump, 20 years ago. At that time I was a C License jumping a Silhouette 210 and I weighed 230 buck naked. If I remember rightly, jump weight is to add about 35 lbs for gear and then figure out your wing loading. That put me at about 1.25:1 wing load. I considered myself an intermediate sky diver experience wise. I had a blast with the Silhouette 210, never had problems, even in higher winds and turbulence. And, I was jumping at the higher DZs (Denver area) with anywhere between 5200 and 6000 feet above sea level for the ground. PS: I came up the static line route in Seattle. Now, fast forward 20 years, no jumps, still have my C-License and going to go through recurrency. I no longer own a rig. To qualify for the recurrency jumps I need to trim my weight down as I am 11 lbs over the 1:1 wing load for the largest reserve they have for students. My weight at the DZ was 262, add the 35 lbs for the rig, 297! Ok, I need to lose weight. I need to regardless. Now, I am starting to look at putting my rig together and was planning on a Infinity or Curve container, PD reserve (not sure which yet) and another Silhouette. So I hopped on the PD web site and started looking at their recommendations. And this is where I start to get confused: Silhouette - 230, Max exit weights (lbs) - Student 161, Novice 172, Intermediate 196, Advanced 230, Expert 253, Max 276. When I plan to buy this my exit weight should be 275 (240 + 35). As I continue on my life changes I plan to downsize as my waist downsizes. Still, 200 lbs puts me back at my Marine Corps, totally in shape, weight. I can't wrap my head around these numbers. According to the chart, my 210 was undersized! Its max weight is 252 lbs and my exit weight (20 years ago) was 265 lbs. While yes, I am NOT going to jump back on a 210 or a 190 which I jumped a lot back then, I also don't plan to stay in the student/novice gear more than 10-15 jumps. Will also depend on how well I do with handling and landings. And no, I am not looking for speed or swoop. I like sporty but docile when needed.
They're great canopies if you address the slider. But I'd rather stay on the ground than jump a Sabre 1 with the original slider, or I'm not positive the slider has been addressed.
@@shadeland Do you happen to have a reference for the Performance Designs Sabre 1 slider issues? I never thought I would need to think about this, but recently was jumping with someone who was on an unmodified Sabre 1. They were not receptive to hearing about needing to change out the slider, even though they had hard enough openings that later in the day they tore part of their canopy. Has PD released a statement about this? I don't think I'm going to change this jumper's mind, but they might not be the last person I run into with a Sabre 1.
@@dikayembe Gary Peek did some research into the Sabre 1 openings, sadly he's passed away and his website has gone offline but I did find an archived version of a report he did: web.archive.org/web/20160327023430/www.pcprg.com/hardop.htm The original slider dimensions were 20" by 30", but if you send a Sabre 1 to PD to be relined I think they quietly will put a new slider on that's 26" by 30" (I'm not sure if that's the case though). THey've never acknowledged it formally I think for liability reasons. I think the slider replacements may be why some people are convinced they aren't a problem. Have them check the slider dimensions.
Great content. I specially like the fact you kept the list short. Thank you for sharing! As a newly A licensed, do you think it makes sense to buy a complete rig (used or new) while flying the 200s or should I aim to get one when I'm able to fly ~ 190 / 170s?
@@bethmerrill305 thank you. To answer my own question, now with a few more jumps, I'd recommend not worrying about rig until one is comfortable landing a 150 canopy just because the 150s seem to be the most marketable size (at least in the area where I'm located). I was lucky I found a 2nd hand complete rig in good conditions directly with a rigger I trust.
What a great video. They ought to put this at every major DZ and at every canopy manufacturers site. IF you elect PD, and IF you are about to choose a Saber variety -- get a Silhouette instead. Its snappier, just as safe, easier to pack, and doesn't have painful openings. You can always get a Stilleto later when you're ready for spinning line-twists
Perfect video for me.
Did my 50st jump last week. My first container (Vector3) should arrive in a few weeks (fingers crossed).
I´ll go with a new container (because of my size it was not likely to find a good fitting used container, checked with several riggers and then made the decision to buy new); the main, reserve and AAD will be used tho.
I´m looking for something around 168 -170 sqf for my first parachute. I already jumped with Navigator 210 200 190, Pilot 168, and Scorpion 170.
I weight around 57kg naked so I get a wingload of around 0.9 with a 170.
Holy shit man. The thumbnail does not give this video justice. Awesome material and editing.
Please work on channel page and thumbnails design because it really doesn't reflect the content quality of your videos.
Im on the market for a rig and would love it if you could make a video on containers =) I am thinking icon because I don't understand what an extra 1-2k for a vector provides valuewise
1978-83 version: My first was C9, then PTCH-C, Strato Star, and Magnum.
A bit over repetitive but very good advice. Square 1 used to have a very good canopy purchase program. I don't know if they still do. You put a minimum of $ 4000 down on a new complete rig and had up to twelve months of free rentals before decision/order time. I jumped a variety of beginner canopies over about 10 months and had at least 100 jumps when I chose a Sabre 2 170 and Javelin container for my first rig. It is still my main rig 20 years later. I was in my late 50's when I started and never felt the need for a smaller / faster canopy. Only change was to Dacron lines to soften the openings.
Before buying used, I went to square 1. They do still offer the program but it's much more expensive now. I think it was around 7k for the cheapest complete. Glad I got mine through Facebook
awesome info .. thank you very much ..
i'm new, older guy (early 50s) (54 jumps B lic) .. and your video will definitely help me.
i dont know if i will make the right choices, but this information will certainly help prevent me from making the wrong choice ;-)
As a new skydiver, I bought a complete used rig from someone the same height and weight as me. The canopy is a fluid wings nexus, and now I can't find any reviews or info about how it flies because it's not a bigger company. Do you have an opinion on if it's appropriate for a beginner?
Jasmine Black I took a look at their website, and it is marketed to beginners. I haven’t heard of it or know anyone that’s jumped it (though I have hard of fluid wings), but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad canopy. I just can’t speak to it.
Ty, great video for the beginner like me. Just finished my AFF and now working on A lic. Working with student/rental rigs till 25 jumps then would like to purchase shortly after. This is a great reference!!!
Question - and hopefully you will see this. :)
I used to jump, 20 years ago. At that time I was a C License jumping a Silhouette 210 and I weighed 230 buck naked. If I remember rightly, jump weight is to add about 35 lbs for gear and then figure out your wing loading. That put me at about 1.25:1 wing load. I considered myself an intermediate sky diver experience wise. I had a blast with the Silhouette 210, never had problems, even in higher winds and turbulence. And, I was jumping at the higher DZs (Denver area) with anywhere between 5200 and 6000 feet above sea level for the ground. PS: I came up the static line route in Seattle.
Now, fast forward 20 years, no jumps, still have my C-License and going to go through recurrency. I no longer own a rig. To qualify for the recurrency jumps I need to trim my weight down as I am 11 lbs over the 1:1 wing load for the largest reserve they have for students. My weight at the DZ was 262, add the 35 lbs for the rig, 297! Ok, I need to lose weight. I need to regardless.
Now, I am starting to look at putting my rig together and was planning on a Infinity or Curve container, PD reserve (not sure which yet) and another Silhouette. So I hopped on the PD web site and started looking at their recommendations. And this is where I start to get confused:
Silhouette - 230, Max exit weights (lbs) - Student 161, Novice 172, Intermediate 196, Advanced 230, Expert 253, Max 276.
When I plan to buy this my exit weight should be 275 (240 + 35). As I continue on my life changes I plan to downsize as my waist downsizes. Still, 200 lbs puts me back at my Marine Corps, totally in shape, weight.
I can't wrap my head around these numbers. According to the chart, my 210 was undersized! Its max weight is 252 lbs and my exit weight (20 years ago) was 265 lbs.
While yes, I am NOT going to jump back on a 210 or a 190 which I jumped a lot back then, I also don't plan to stay in the student/novice gear more than 10-15 jumps. Will also depend on how well I do with handling and landings. And no, I am not looking for speed or swoop. I like sporty but docile when needed.
A v detailed and useful video for new sky diving enthusiasts like me.
Don't ever jump a saber1... not even close to worth it
They're great canopies if you address the slider. But I'd rather stay on the ground than jump a Sabre 1 with the original slider, or I'm not positive the slider has been addressed.
@@shadeland Do you happen to have a reference for the Performance Designs Sabre 1 slider issues? I never thought I would need to think about this, but recently was jumping with someone who was on an unmodified Sabre 1. They were not receptive to hearing about needing to change out the slider, even though they had hard enough openings that later in the day they tore part of their canopy. Has PD released a statement about this? I don't think I'm going to change this jumper's mind, but they might not be the last person I run into with a Sabre 1.
@@dikayembe Gary Peek did some research into the Sabre 1 openings, sadly he's passed away and his website has gone offline but I did find an archived version of a report he did: web.archive.org/web/20160327023430/www.pcprg.com/hardop.htm
The original slider dimensions were 20" by 30", but if you send a Sabre 1 to PD to be relined I think they quietly will put a new slider on that's 26" by 30" (I'm not sure if that's the case though). THey've never acknowledged it formally I think for liability reasons.
I think the slider replacements may be why some people are convinced they aren't a problem. Have them check the slider dimensions.
@@shadeland You're a superstar! Thanks man. Really appreciate all the education you're putting out.
Great content. I specially like the fact you kept the list short. Thank you for sharing!
As a newly A licensed, do you think it makes sense to buy a complete rig (used or new) while flying the 200s or should I aim to get one when I'm able to fly ~ 190 / 170s?
That's a good question for your instructors and the veterans that you jump with. I'd highly recommend asking your instructors and coaches.
@@bethmerrill305 thank you. To answer my own question, now with a few more jumps, I'd recommend not worrying about rig until one is comfortable landing a 150 canopy just because the 150s seem to be the most marketable size (at least in the area where I'm located). I was lucky I found a 2nd hand complete rig in good conditions directly with a rigger I trust.
This is useful ! A lot!
How different is 1.0 to 1.1 WL? I know moving from 250 to 230 during AFF was HUGE. Wasn't getting blown around nearly as much
What a great video. They ought to put this at every major DZ and at every canopy manufacturers site. IF you elect PD, and IF you are about to choose a Saber variety -- get a Silhouette instead. Its snappier, just as safe, easier to pack, and doesn't have painful openings. You can always get a Stilleto later when you're ready for spinning line-twists
What are the companies you find lacking in service?
I'm glad I found your channel. Excellent contents. Thank you.
Hi Tony, we chated a little via reddit. But it goes again the rules to ask there. Do you maybe have some 170ft canopy for sale? Fusion guy from reddit
Hey George, sorry I do not.
Spectre was my first, and I loved it.
Thank you for these in depth videos Tony, really appreciate it
Wow, super useful! Thanks Tony!
Genius Video for decision!👍🏻👍🏻
Really good video Tony!
Thanks for this video!
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TY for info