The one point case against Christianity. Christians voted for Trump. Trump is a liar, adulterer, grifter and con man. Have you bought Trump's endorsed Bible. That is a low as you can go.
Some people were really pathetic. When all the gospels tell the same story, they said they copied from each other. When gospels are different, they asked, " why did the gospel writers miss this event?". Both ways, they wanted to eat them just like Orthodox Judaism.
What really makes it not a dumb question is how he’s asking. He’s not asking it as a “gotcha” question, he’s genuinely curious about why something that big isn’t in more gospels. He wants to learn
Young man, get away from these nutjobs who expect you to believe their claims without providing any legitimate evidence. The Bible is the claim, not the proof.
That speaker is trash talking the young student. His observation was excellent but dogma doesn't allow for contradictions so he tries to explain it away with some mental gymnastics. It is also written that the dead rose and marched towards the town on the day of crucifiction but no other sources found it important to mention a zombie apocalypse. Whoopsie. 🙄
@j.m.w.5064 It was mentioned during the account of Jesus’s crucifixion but clearly stated this occurred on the day of Christ’s Resurrection. Matthew 27:53
Definitely better to be humble than full of pride. Also true wisdom is found only in God above. This worldly "smarts" will only get a person so far. It takes supernatural wisdom & knowledge to make it to Heaven & that begins with the fear of the Lord.
@@gi169 It is a good answer to the question. There is every reason to expect that the four gospels would present the same event from differing points of view.
@@mikesarno7973 The fact that the other three gospels don't mention it makes it more likely that the gospel writers are telling the truth, otherwise, if it were all made up, they'd all have the same events in the same order with no alleged "contradictions".
there are 4 Gospels - In Ezekiel and revelation, there is a creature in heaven, with four faces, LION-EAGLE-MAN-OX. this creature represents the four gospels, Jesus as MAN, Jesus as servant the OX, Jesus as King and Jesus as God. This was well known in Victorian times, they published books with this four headed motif. I worked in an auctioneers, this came up often in books with a theological content. Older books. Its not seen as much after 1970 . The Victorians really understood their bible. Much of what they taught was lost by the later dumbass generations. Who read fantasy novels and mills and boons romances. Matthew is only concerned with Jewish matters. and so will deliberately omit certain thinks to do with gentiles. LUKE is the gentile Gospel directed to ME, the Christian. i should concentrate on Luke. I can read Matthew, but if I do I might mix the outcome that is solely for the Jews at the end times, with my own fate. I should avoid Matthew. If you are Jewish.. Matthew is for YOU. It deals with ISRAEL. Matthew 24. is TOXIC to Christians, they apply it to themselves? they do not understand not everything is written to them.
Caleb, I don’t know if you’ll ever see this but I just want to tell you how encouraging it is to see a young person asking great questions about Scripture. May God grant you wisdom, knowledge and understanding as time goes by. 🙏🏼 Well done! 👍
However, the scriptures tell us that those who are part of God's organisation and remain part of the vine, are active in Christian works - namely, producing fruitage, which means preaching and making disciples - which in turn requires substantial bible knowledge. Now do you see the problem that you have by inferring that some random person is an approved, knowledgeable and active Christian, when clearly they are not - the guy in the audience is not part of the vine that Jesus clearly describes in the Bible. @@saladdays180s9
@@oxybenzol9254 the parts of the Bible that have ‘severe consequences’ are rather easy to understand. Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16, etc. It shouldn’t be surprising that a collection of books taking up over 1000 pages and written by dozens of authors over many centuries in many genres has parts that are difficult to understand in modern ears - what is incredible is the depth of unity and inspiration across the whole lot.
Caleb, it wasn’t a dumb question whatsoever! Well done by you. I really don’t think that at your age, I would’ve even come close to asking such an intelligent question.
I got saved in my early 20's & people always told me I asked good questions & was wise for my age. I'm 47 now & still ask tough questions & always eager to learn all I can about Jesus & Heaven
What a gross way to describe a young Christian who looks about 14 years old. His "countenance is beautiful"? He looks like a baby whose body hasn't even fully formed. Shame on you and every single person that liked your comment.
@ And actually Jeb. His countenance is better than most Christians I know including myself almost to the point of being angelic which is.....considering he does not believe in God. I am not like he is and have a full strobg belief in God but you go on treating people the way you do. 👍👍👍👍👍
@@HeronChasing He looks like a child, because he is a child. I can see right through you, stop lying to yourself because the only one falling for it is yourself. Repent of your sinful desires. When you look with lust, you have committed adultery already in your heart.
I’ve been it that young man’s shoes so many times in the past. That was a very brave and smart question to ask and the answer was a class act. This is how we thrive Amen
That was a very good question. God, please help that young man to continue to seek you and bring godly Christian people alongside him. In the Name of Jesus, Amen!
I like it when scholars are willing to say, "we don't really know but here's our best guess." It brings a sense of honesty and genuineness to the conversation. It's definitely a question I've wondered about as well.
Insight? Hmmm. Luke couldn't include everything? That's his "insight"? So, an earthquake caused by the son of God rising from the dead, thereby granting eternal salvation to every human being who will ever exist, wasn't important enough to document. But 16 verses of genealogy was? I see.
Matthew is a Jewish Gospel that deals with Jewish matters. a Christian should read LUKE and JOHN. they should avoid Matthew? as Matthew is giving the outcome of ISRAEL. The wheat harvest. If a Christian reads Matthew 24, he will try to apply that outcome to himself. He does not understand CONTEXT. who is being addressed. If i leave a letter on a billboard, telling Tom to fix the shelves, and Harry to fix the plumbing. I do not expect to see Tom and Harry to both be doing the same job? each is directed to their own notes. There are four gospels for a reason. four cake recipes. you do not mix them all in to one big mixture. Luke is for CHRISTIANS, we read LUKE. that is what happens to us. the end times etc. Israel is to read MATTHEW. that is what happens to them. They are gathered by the angels at harvest time. We are not gathered. We are selected. Jesus comes for his church in one day. The Jews are gathered over 42 months. so you cannot mix them up? into one story?
@@DashRiprock-m3b did you not understand. they sell 4 types of chocolate bars. Marzipan, nut, raisins, coconut,. you do not sell nut and marzipan. you have separated out the flavours to target specific people. The Gospels do not have it all, because they describe Jesus in four ways. that is why there is FOUR, not 18 gospels, not one. not two? not three. As Ezekiel dated 550BC, describes a four headed creature. EAGLE-MAN-OX-LION. this creature is the Gospels. you do not put every action into all four gospels, as each action describes jesus in a particular way. if you applied for a job as a teacher? do you emphasize your ability to swim a mile a day? or how you have a parachute hobby. Nope. You tell them your qualifications, your skill set as it relates to that job. That is why there are four gospels. they deal with four aspects of GOD.
@paultimson6674 Dude, I'm not the one who declared in John 8: "17 In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true." Be advised I'm just messing with you here. God's word is true and I'm not going to be silly and nitpick why there isn't a second recording of an earthquake.
@@DashRiprock-m3b One problem we have as modern Westerners is thinking the apostles and new Testament writers had the same priorities as we do. They obviously didn’t. They thought differently as they occupied a different world.
The question poses a good argument against collusion. All 4 gospels could've said the exact same things, the exact same way and used the exact same words. That however would cast far more doubt on their validity than anything else as eyewitnesses don't do that. Neither did Jesus' disciples.
I disagree because when you read the gospels of Matthew, Luke and John, they copy a lot of Mark... Sometimes word for word. Collusion? I guess it depends how you define it.
There is collusion amongst the Synoptics, and to a certain extent John. It’s called the synoptic problem. As for story lines found in one gospel but not in an another, despite the synoptic problem, is only evidence of a particular theological concept the author feels is important to convey.
Being skeptical's a fabulous attribute to have. It'll never give you myocarditis... or a number of other issues transpiring right now... due to some experimental, pseudoscience concoction making the rounds the last few years.
John said that everything about Christ could not be contained in a book. That's why the writers chose their purpose of writing and stayed on task. Therefore you have variations in their writings.
And variations in the interpretations (as we all see different denominations) which means the book is not inerrant. The history overall may be true, but the bible isn't inerrant if people don't all view it the exact same.
Very well and nothing prevents a godman with the supernatural powers John attributes to Jesus from personally accurately and unambiguously relating his true nature and teachings for future generations. That’s not what happened. We have riddles and clues on remnant copies of papyrus texts. One may observe that not everything about the Lewis and Clark Expedition could be contained in one book either. Nevertheless we have far more original first person evidence about these real people and their experiences than we have about Jesus and his Disciples. We have Baked clay tablets and stone engravings far older than the first century but for the origins of Christianity we have papyrus remnants and no mid 1st century remnants that I’m aware of …correct me if I’m mistaken. Perhaps A real God capable of doing far better simply didn’t…but that’s neglect not love. How am I mistaken? Why not let faith just be faith? The available evidence doesn’t permit the conclusions that faith traditions insist upon. While that is perfectly fine as a faith narrative…it’s disingenuous as assertions of historical accuracy.
@@robinharwood5044 Very well Robin … people who encounter genuine extraordinary and transcendent experiences often say something along the lines of “words can never express…”. I think most of us can relate to that. So why not just let faith be faith? John doesn’t include a birth narrative (nor does Paul our earliest source) and Mark offers nothing about resurrection sightings or glorified body descriptions and no dialogues beyond an empty tomb. A real Jesus was not prevented from providing future generations with unambiguously clear and reasonably well verified narratives. That didn’t happen. We have what we have. Scholarly and scientific criticism raises genuine issues that are not resolved by dogmatic assertions of special pleading except among those with any given dogma. Yet How do such criticisms (or their dogmatic responses) prevent discipleship? Why must Christian narratives be historically “right” in order to be true in one’s heart and life?
It’s a good question. If a teacher asked their whole class to write a brief history of America, all of those histories would be a little different. Some might contain this or that and others wouldn’t. Would they all contain 9/11? Would they all contain WWI? The Industrial Revolution? Ronald Reagan’s presidency? Even if all but one failed to mention a particular event, it would not invalidate the truth of the event written about in the one paper. If it happened, it happened, whether or not a lot of people wrote about it or not. As far as the Gospels, there were only four. Only four. How much of the story are we missing because five other disciples didn’t also write Gospels? At least we have Matthew’s Gospel, and he told us.
I am grateful to the gospel writers for their perceptive and who they are writing to because if all four gospels wrote word for word about one another I would be highly skeptical l of their accounts.
If all four Gospels recorded all the same events, then there there wouldn’t be a need for three of the Gospels. All the Gospels share commonalities, but each one is also unique. Their uniqueness does not make them contradictory but complimentary.
If they were all identical, that would be suspicious. We know that no two people see the same events exactly the same, even in modern courtrooms it’s a well known fact. The fact that they are different, that each testimony varies slightly on the details, is what makes them authentic. These differences are strong evidence that real people who had real experiences wrote the gospels.
Caleb read the 4 gospels and then came up with a question based on what he read in the Gospels. That’s a sign of an intelligent person. There’s no way it could be a dumb question.
Great question and wonderful response. To put the take of the Gospels into today’s prospective: cnn typically covers a story from the left point of view; while fox does the same coverage from the right point of view. They are both correct and incorrect depending on the target audience’s leanings. And mostly correct when they hit the same middle ground points. Matthew starts out with an in depth genealogy from the earthly parental perspective listing the earthly, and Luke does this the same but slightly different. John skips all this and proclaims the spiritual truth, Jesus is God in the opening of his gospel; and reinforces this with Christ saying this multiple times. Just because Matthew and Luke don’t name the exact same people in the exact order doesn’t mean these are not from the lineage of Joseph and Mary. Just because John is the only one to record the conversation with Nicodemus doesn’t mean he made it up and didn’t happen. Paul writes almost exclusively to the Gentile perspective; but it does not mean his writings are not for the Jews that accepted Christ. Even Peter acknowledges Paul’s writings. Again, great question that should prompt all of us to examine ourselves as to what we truly believe. Do we believe the Bible because one has read it and allowed the Holy Spirit to speak through the Word? Or is one just going on what a pastor, parent, or grandparent has said the Bible says? There are many today with massive followings and huge social media platforms that contort the Bible for money.
He’s right about “we don’t know why 3 of the Gospels didn’t include the earthquake”, but we also have to remember that every Gospel writer had a different point of view, depending on their culture, and they simply may not have given the earthquake any significance, and so didn’t include it. Things like this often drive us modern Americans crazy, because we are a science and time driven society. A culture that doesn’t value (or even know about) these things is hard for us to understand.
Since Matthew wrote his gospel principally for Jews, especially those who were in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus' crucifixion, he includes this event as a reminder to them, to encourage them to believe! What an experience it must have been for some of his readers to experience the earthquake, and then begin to see, walking around Jerusalem people they KNEW had died, and what and eye-opener for those who had spent the last three decades wondering what it all meant!
Each gospel stands on its own. There is no dependency. Take it for what it is. There is no need to try to "harmonize" the four. Most importantly they should be read aloud in the church, to the church.
Oh but we are so clever 2000 years later, as if we can do it better. They did not think about us, just the readers then and the writers of the 4 gospels wanted to tell the story where all the main stuff is told to their respective audiences. It's people in later years that created the problems.
When you say no need to harmonize….do you really mean they can contradict each other or can a truth be a lie? Scripture must always interpret scripture otherwise why would you trust any of it?
Nah, may He guide them to Himself. Dont put your trust in Christianity, put your trust in Jesus who saves. The church has been used for a lot of horrible things, but Christ is Lord.
@@nikkisigmon8090 Christianity is faith based on a personal relationship with our Lord God Savior Redeemer King Jesus Christ and the Bible, not on rules or religions. Romans 10:9-13. So YES, we trust implicitly, completely, emphatically in our Christianity faith in Lord Jesus Christ, Nagid (King) Adonai (Lord) Yeshua (Jesus) H'Mashiach (the Messiah). Our faith is NOT a religion - it is a personal relationship with our Savior Creator Lord Jesus and all HE wrote in His 66 books using the 40 men He chose to write them.
So far as I can see, the answer boils down to "I don't know" (plus, "either way it doesn't matter because the veracity of this event doesn't affect the truth of the resurrection", which he says is not his view but is defensible). Assumung Turek has previously argued about the importance of "impact events" in the Gospel narratives and their truthfulness (which I infer from the exchange during the question), it points out an inconsistency in Turek's own position that he doesn't address or admit.
I am no Biblical scholar or Philosopher (not taught at Georgia Tech) but I spent many hours being an "Expert Witness" in product liability trials where our product was alleged to have failed and caused injury. One "strong assertion" of the defense lawyers involved was as follows... The plaintiffs witnesses to the supposed product failure were always sequestered so they could not hear each other's sworn testimony. The corollary was that if they all gave exactly the same, identical story it was to be assumed they had been "coached" and told what to say. Supposedly, true "eye witnesses" always provide slightly different accounts due to their different viewpoint, location, perspective, prejudices, vocation, etc, etc. I apply that same "human" trait to the minor and inconsequential differences in the Gospel accounts. The differences actually PROVE that they are telling what they observed first-hand and they did not in any way attempt to collaborate or embellish their eye-witness accounts. I would like to hear from any trial lawyer that might "happen" to read this.
The gospel authors were not eyewitnesses so your whole point is moot They observed nothing "first hand" (especially not the part where Jesus is in the desert with the Devil since only these 2 were present)
Except that the wisdom contained within the pages of the Bible far exceeds even the greatest literary works of mankind and can truly lead to everlasting life. It's you who is missing out, my friend. But it needn't be that way...
@80sizzle The bible is full of recycled, much older stories that came from cultures and religions that greatly predates the advent of the israelites who would become the jewish people. The new testament, specifically Jesus' story (whom is not even fully confirmed to have ever existed) is a broad re-telling of Dionysus' lifestory infused with the general messages of hinduism and buddhism, religions which are both much older than judaism and certainly christianity. The bible contradicts itself in dozens of places, especially when it comes to what the war god Yahwe actually commands people to do (which is then further contradicted by the writings of St Paul) and when the unknown writers try to legitimize its claims by connecting his wild tales to real historic people and events, and misses the mark by decades and sometimes centuries; Joshua, the bible claims, conquored Jericho. But in reality, Jericho had been abandoned for 400 years before Joshua was born (according to the insane calculation in the bible that tells people that this planet is only 6000 years old). The bible is overflowing with lies, ripped off myths and it promotes every crime known to humankind; it teaches us that slavery is a good thing and so is subjugating women, killing gay people, incest, r@pe, every form of murder and it encourages the eradication of other cultures. It is a disgusting text and the only two books that are more evil are the koran and the malleum malificarus; the witch's hammer.
Last I checked comic characters didn’t fulfill over 300 prophecies. That’s the equivalent of blindfolding you dropping you & a tiny black speck onto a random beach & you finding that black speck on the first try while still being blindfolded
Most young souls under college age do not ask, 'Got ya' questions. For that I am glad because those questions really come from the Hearts (Souls) that are God-Forward! ❤ I pray as we all should for young people who are willing to learn and trying to get understanding from the elders of the church.
The events of Matthew 27:51-53 are all that the Bible contains directly on this subject. There is no other specific reference to those who were raised at the crucifixion of Christ. However, there is a very plain statement made in Ephesians 4:8 which enables us to come to a very clear understanding of the matter. The text reads that when Christ ascended up on high He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. The margin has it, "a multitude of captives." From this it is known that when Christ ascended to heaven, He took with Him a multitude of captives redeemed from the grave as proofs of His power over death and the grave. That multitude, brought up from the graves and made immortal, and taken to heaven, stands as a demonstration of the fact that Christ has the keys of death and the grave. They are evidences that He died and rose again, not for Himself, but for the world. In them is demonstrated the truth that the resurrection of Jesus means the resurrection and immortality of all the righteous.
Thank you for that explanation my friend. If I might add another thought to your post. I believe the feast of first fruits was celebrated on the first day of the week following the Sabbath following Passover. That means Resurrection Sunday would've also been the celebration of the feast of first fruits. When Christ brought these certain newly resurrected dead with Him to God, He would've been presenting to God the first fruits of His resurrection. The first fruits of a harvest yet to come. God bless you
@@corytrissel8348 Amen my friend, Jesus did indeed rest in the grave on the Sabbath in death, as He did in life, and then rose on the first day of the week to present the wave sheaf to His Father in Heaven. The presentation of the first fruits was a part of the celebration of the days of unleavened bread. The presentation took place on the “morrow after the Sabbath,” the sixteenth day of Abib. Leviticus 23:11. This was not a Sunday, neither by the Lord' Calendar nor by the Julian Calendar which was in use by the Roman Republic in the days of Christ. Grace to you, and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew is also the only source that mentions the many jewish saints who rose from the dead and appeared to many people just like Jesus. That was a much bigger miracle than just the resurrection of Jesus, but no one noticed it or mentioned it. Very strange, right?
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Well done Caleb, you're doing what many people DON'T do - you're TESTING what you're being told. KEEP proving to yourself, and you'll do just fine! (Acts 17:11; Phil 1:9,10; 1 Thess. 5:21; 1 Peter 3:15; 1 John 4:1)
Different people tell the same story differently. As a person who used to party and go out a lot, got into bar fights and was very social. A day after the event, we would all speak of the same incident but from different perspectives. One would tell of how two guys jumped me, one would speak of how he saw one guy attack me, and so on. One would say how I drank 4 beers the other who bought me 6 beers would speak of how I downed six beer for the evening. We all speak like this every day. One would mention a few names in a bigger group, some would mention every name in the group. Didn’t make the stories less true. Differences in who we decide to mention, does not make the entire evening untrue. I remember a bar fight that involved all of my friends, but when I talk about it I only speak of the bar fight that involved me on my best friend because we stood side by side. If another friend speak of the same bar fight he would mention 4 other guys and may not even mention me. I wish people would see how they do it every day and how the people with the gospels would do the same
Dr. Turek is right; whether or not the earthquake and the opening of the graves described in Matthew really happened does not change whether or not the resurrection occurred. It *_does_* of course change whether or not the gospel according to Matthew is true, at least on this point, and therefore if we should consider the Bible the divinely inspired Word of God.
And again the earthquake with the ground splitting and the veil ripping would not make a lot of sense or splash to pagans and gentiles. But it sure rings a Korah bell from the mountain and they would definitely see the resemblance. It would have been something specific to the jews and matthew is a jewish gospel. If ron wyatt is correct then when the earth rent, the blood of the sacrifice fell on top of the ark of the covenant. Not a specific artifact to any but of the jewish race at that time.
@@Maxdickus You said: _"And again the earthquake with the ground splitting and the veil ripping would not make a lot of sense or splash to pagans and gentiles."_ I am not sure if that is true; in many pagan myths or even biographies of famous people, portents like these are described as well; darkening of the skies, eclipses, thunderstorms, etc. are quite common. The concept was pretty much universal. You said: _"But it sure rings a Korah bell from the mountain and they would definitely see the resemblance. It would have been something specific to the jews and matthew is a jewish gospel."_ The specific events may have special significance for the Jews or people familiar with their lore, but the general concept of portentous events was widely known and understood. You said: _"If ron wyatt is correct then when the earth rent, the blood of the sacrifice fell on top of the ark of the covenant. Not a specific artifact to any but of the jewish race at that time."_ Ron Wyatt had to ask permission to the owners of the Garden Tomb to carry out his investigations, and was supervised by representatives of the Garden Tomb Association. They have published an official letter stating that Ron Wyatt did not find anything.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
The earthquake was recorded by the Romans at the time, the darkness was recorded by various peoples around the world including but not limited to The Chinese Empire of the time, these events were as such recorded by sources not directly in the region. As for the dead rising from their graves, if memory serves me right, Pilot write back to Rome about this and other events revolving around Jesus. I could be mistaken about it being Pilot, but it was by a Roman and he did write to Cesar about them.
Your first claim is probably referring to Thallus supposedly referring to the darkness at Jesus death. This was based on a later quotation of Thallus that has been debunked because we have the original text. Your second claim is probably referring to Pliny the younger. Pliny was the first Roman to ever mention anything about Christians..... in 110ad, so not exactly early
@NathanD.-yo8zg You don't have to drive down to the local library for sources. G 👀 gle "Recorded earthquakes in Jerusalem during the Roman Empire" and you should get this: There are multiple recorded earthquakes in Jerusalem during the Roman Empire, including: 31 BCE Josephus Flavius wrote about an earthquake that occurred in early spring 31 BCE, during the proxy war between King Herod and the Nabataeans. The earthquake struck while Herod's army was camped in the open. 33 AD An earthquake occurred on April 3, 33 AD, causing moderate damage, especially to the western side of Temple Mount. 66-70 AD An earthquake occurred during the Pentecost festival, the night before the Jewish War. Josephus described the earthquake as being accompanied by a voice from heaven that said, "let us remove from here". 70 AD Many earthquakes were recorded during the Roman siege of Jerusalem. The other "debunking" that you claim is a WOFTAM for me to type anything. Go back to your Darwinism and it's racist elitism.
@fluffysheap type into Google: "There are multiple recorded earthquakes in Jerusalem during the Roman Empire, including:" and the results are listed. Then search Roman Empire recorded earthquakes and the results are lengthy, as the empire was huge. But 31 and 33 AD are listed. As for China: History of the Latter Han Dynasty This Chinese classic describes a total eclipse in the fourth month of the summer, during which the sun and moon were eclipsed. The record also states that the emperor proclaimed a pardon for all people, and that the sins of all people were on one man. Imperial records The imperial records of the time included a note that stated, "The Man from Heaven died". Some say that the Chinese had no knowledge of Jesus in 3-AD, and that Christian missionaries would not have gone to China at that time. However, others say that the Chinese recorded the darkening of the sun and the proclamation of pardon in their history. Again, feel free to research it and add to that a search into the religion of China during the Dynasties. They didn't use the terms we use in English but much of it is similar or identical to Yahweh of The Holy Bible in too many ways.
@fluffysheap 2 of my replies have been deleted, maybe because I copy pasted from different sources. Or maybe someone deleted them. Idk. Happened to your response and to the other comment reply too. Am wondering if this comment gets deleted too.
“Luke was running out of scroll so left some stuff out probably” - definitely sounds like what the inspired word of god would be limited by, a lack of stationary!
Not a dumb question! What a very precious young man...I can say things like this cuz I'm a grandma 👵 I bet he's his grandma's favorite (all of mine are my favorites 🤩)
Different parts of the Bible speak to different people. For example, for me, the part where Peter tells Jesus that he will die along with him and then Jesus tells Peter that he will deny Jesus three times. Peter doesn't believe Jesus and says that will never happen. But then it does happen and Peter is ashamed of himself and is immediately in the greatest despair of his life. He weeps because he knows in his heart that what Jesus says is true and he can't possibly love like Jesus does. That's what the Catholic church is built on. Peter is very weak but he realizes his weakness and he goes back to Jesus again and again every time he falls. I'm Peter every day of my life. I sin every day. I tell Jesus that I'm going to avoid sin but then I do it anyway. It is my own hands that hammer the nails through the wood of the cross every day. Like Peter, I am a sinner.
"And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure. Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness. But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him." I John 3:3-6
That is a smart question! If I might take my own stab at it, what is an impact event varies from person to person. For example, if you were to ask me "Did you pay that $20,000 bill?" I would probably say "I'm not sure, I'd have to check" because in my job I pay those kinds of bills all the time, whereas the impact of an earthquake to me, even the slightest tremor, would have me talking about it for days compared to someone from California 😂
Two perspectives of gospels: One: Like four different portraits of one person by four different artists, all will be different, yet all will capture elements of the same person Two: The gospels are like the progression of reporting on an unfolding news event. Mark - A "first on the scene" account of what happened. Just basic facts with little elaboration like a reporter first on the scene. Luke - A little later, once the reporter can gather more information and include more in the story. Like a longer newspaper story from a different reporter. Matthew - Covered the story for the Jewish audience, so it focuses more on what the Hebrew people found interesting. John - Like the "True Story" book detailing things that reporters didn't initially catch or elaborate on. Order of events was arranged for dramatic writing purposes, not like reporting on events by a journalist. As events unfold in news story it is not unusual for certain events to be omitted at first, and other's to be de-emphasized later on. That doesn't mean that it wasn't true. It happened. Jesus existed in the flesh. He came to earth to teach, heal, preach, give inspiration, and fulfil prophecy. He died on the cross for all who believe so we could have abundant and eternal life. If you are missing that, I pray some day you will realize this truth and believe.
Mark was certainly not 'first on the scene' - this is not even a claim of the church, Mark was allegedly recording sermons of Peter - but even this is probably not true. Luke copied Mark and so did Matthew. John clearly makes some of his Gospel up, recording events for which there were no witnesses.
They all miss the most important event , one that hasn't stopped happening till today and will not stop . That Christ died on the cross for our sins and offered us salvation unto eternal life through Him The fact that after 2000 yrs people still believe and accept Christ as the living God . The fact that more and more people are still giving their lives to Christ .
When we take the 4 Gospels and align them with each other using the feeding of the 5,000 as a center point all of the Messiah's miracles and Ministry can be easily seen and it was 70 weeks not 3 1/2 years.
It actually makes more sense that only Matthew recorded the earthquake, the veil in the Temple torn, and the dead rising from their graves in the wake of Christ’s death on the cross. It’s the same with him being the only one to talk about the Magi coming to see Christ after his birth or the star that they followed in the sky to find him. The reason why is because the gospel itself was meant to be received by the Jews themselves and as such it deals with Jewish prophetic fulfillments in Christ and proofs that he was the Messiah the Jews had awaited moreso than the other gospels do. There’s actually extra biblical sources for the earthquake when Christ died as well like from the historian Thallus as an example who also wrote about this event along with the darkness that befell Judea during the crucifixion
@ Thallus wasn’t a Christian, and he recorded the same events in his history of Judea from that time period. You’ll have to do better argumentation than that next time 😉
@ the resurrected dead in Matthew’s gospel were not “zombies”. When GOD raises the dead to life they do not have rotten flesh or feel the need to cannibalize the living, instead they are like you and me. It’s interesting how you feel the need to adlib in order to support your own narrative. What Thallus did record supports the ending of Matthew’s gospel
One theory (based upon a very early account of how the Gospels were derived and in what order) is as follows: - Matthew was written first primarily to the Jews. - Mark was a shorter, later account because it was Peter's account transcribed by Mark shortly before his death (because Peter wasn't quite as fluent in Greek) -- with explanation of its creation possibly mentioned in 2 Peter 1:12-21. - Luke's account was purportedly based upon the Gospel given to Paul and confirmed by Luke through eyewitnesses (likely while Paul was in a Roman prison). - John's gospel was the last written and essentially filled in the places of important verbal details that weren't often included within the other gospels. Consequently, neither Mark's gospel nor Luke's gospel were directed to the Jews of Judea who would remember that earthquake. Moreover, by the time he wrote his gospel, John was most likely living in "Asia" (i.e., Greek-speaking Anatolia (i.e., present day Turkey) and interacting primarily with Gentiles. Thus, the only Gospel writer who would think that the earthquake was inherently important (as a confirmation) for the narrative would be Matthew. It was an early account with the earthquake still fresh in the minds of Gospel of Matthew readers.
I hope this young man realizes that this was a fantastic question. One of my favorite books is The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. The questions that he asks or questions that I wanted to ask all my life and I have been studying the Bible for over 50 years. Asking why is what makes life great, and trying to find out the reasons why. Asking questions is what builds your faith.
*Does anybody know which study-bible that is used in this video? It has those little picture icons of a bible, and a cross at the beginning of each book, I believe. You can see an example of it @**1:48** Which study bible is this? thanks! :)*
That's right, it's not a dumb question. Especially because it's one without a concrete answer. If the answer is "we don't know" or even "we can't know," then we can only speculate. Like, "Why did God..."
There was a letter written to Rome by the guy in charge of Isreal (I do not remember his name) He mentioned that a guard near the tomb told him the about the earthquake. So it happened and it was a small thing to them because it was common.
Such a good questioner does not deserve to be patronised and belittled like that. He asks specifically about impact events, and neither Frank nor, Frankly, any of the pious comments that I have seen here, is honest enough to consider that point. Everyone starts from the premise that all of the canonical gospels are ex hypothesi true, and after that either you rationalise away the actual language of your texts away or cop out saying you don't know. An honest approach might say that it doesn't really matter if you believe in the true point of what Jesus said. Such an approach might add that the gospels were written by human beings who wanted to make a good story and therefore augmented it with what they thought would capture the popular imagination and lead them thus in the right direction. An honest historian's approach would say that none of that history might be true, but that there is nevertheless significant content in the recorded sayings of Jesus to warrant the serious spiritual attention that it has received in some quarters.
Each evangelist wrote for a different audience. It was unlikely, in those days, that any one audience was even aware of another's version, and centuries before the Church would set them side by side - available for comparison.
Speculating as to the inconsistency doesn't resolve the inconsistency of course. When witnesses have inconsistencies and omissions between each other, we have a forensic job of sifting through the evidence to determine the impact of those inconsistencies. We can't cross-examine dead authors. But in this case the smart question is asking why the accounts don't add up on a key event. Frankly, if in a courtroom the answer is "I don't know", examine whether "I don't know" on this one issue casts doubt on other evidence. Perfect alignment of stories can also be a red flag that stories have been edited for consistency. Misalignment on a key fact is a red flag that the key fact may not have happened. Either way, its literally impossible to just accept "the word of God" while acknowledging that the 12 apostles were not God when they wrote their accounts. It is their word you are analyzing, through 2000 years of cross filtered translations between multiple languages and editions which were intentional edits. The King James Bible, for example, was not an attempt to reconcile inconsistencies. It was an attempt to standardize a fractured narrative, done by people who also had to speculate through the inconsistences.
These men the disciples were not book writers, they were not journalists, they just tried to write down years after Jesus ascended back into Heaven, what they remembered happening so that when they died their teachings of what Jesus taught them could continue on, they were eyewitness accounting what they remembered and saw, and since all their accounts are similar but different shows it’s true, and that they didn’t collaborate their stories.
I think that's exactly the point, Frank. An oddball occurrence or two calls into question the reliability of the text in general. I could just as easily flip that and say "whether or not Jesus' resurrection took place doesn't change whether or not all the dead patriarchs came out of their graves". It's disingenuous, and I think you know that.
Matthew writes to the Jewish audience. Here is a thought for consideration: The Earthquake would have been important as it was what shook the foundation of the temple and caused the structure to become unstable, and this is the reason why the Sanhedrin never again met in the temple in the place of judgement. they had to move it to another location. This is documented in extra-biblical records. If memory serves me right, this is also documented in the Talmud. So perhaps, the reason this is put in by Matthew is that it was a unique event which impacted the Jewish community and the Temple structure itself.
ForChristians, Jesus’s life and resurrection is the most critical event in history, and yet its record is documented ambiguously by multiple unknown authors in multiple formats, in a language (Greek) unknown by any of the people involved. Frank has good reason to “apologize” for this.
That kids question was not dumb but he was being observant, what most people don’t understand is that the gospel accounts are written by different individuals who had different traits. Luke was a physician and if you notice how he primarily focused on Jesus’ miracles ( healings) since that was something that he was familiar with…
I want to know how Matthew knew the dead had been raised to life on the Friday if they waited in the tombs for 3 days before leaving to talk to people. Imagine looking into an opened tomb on Saturday and seeing a resurrected person just chilling for a bit.
Nice question. Never actually thought about it. At a guess, Mark and Luke both got the accounts second hand. Mark through Peter and Luke through Mary. Both would be talking about their best friend and son, respectively. And the earthquake wouldn't really feature. Matthew would have been hiding away somewhere, likely feeling guilty as can be so would be more attuned to that. That's just a guess though, could be waaaaay out
Just a few days ago I was wondering the same question but concerning the resurrection of Lazarus. Why did only John record this impact event? (btw I believe Bible is the perfect word of God, I am just wondering … )
A similar question comes to my mind- who was the first person Jesus resurrected? Definitely not Lazarus cos his resurrection was close to Lord's crucifixion.
I say Abraham. Luke 16:22 “And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;” King James Version (KJV) @@sebastian_manuells
I would submit that it wasn’t Luke’s decision not to include the earthquake, it was the Holy Spirit! All scripture is given by inspiration of God. If all four writers of the gospels wrote everything they witnessed, there wouldn’t be enough papyrus on the planet!
But all the graves opening up and zombies walking around is abnormal, and no one but Matthew recorded anything about that. How credible does that make the gospels?
@@itsJPhere it has no bearing whatsoever on the other Gospels. Just like if you and I both witnessed a car accident from a different perspective and you saw 100 people standing across the street but I was paying attention to the person lying on the ground and was giving him CPR. The fact is: the car accident happened. You have some of the info. I have some different info. This is basic forensic science 101 stuff and why police interview multiple witnesses. Now ask yourself this: if every Gospels contained precisely all the same details arranged in the same order.... wouldn't that tell you more than likely one person or one group was tweaking all the details to ensure everybody was on the exact same page? Having multiple witnesses who focus on different aspects of the same story tells us one thing: it's very likely they are unbiased and reliable rather than working off a "decided narrative." Also, the Bible says the dead were raised and came out of their tombs. More than likely, their bodies were restored fully. It didn't say there was a zombie apocalypse. "The Walking Dead" reruns aren't very useful if you want to understand what the Bible has to say about this.
@@itsJPhere In any trial, the witnesses all tell somewhat different stories. Then there is the issue of later changes that are put in to enhance a story. I'm not saying that that happened in this case, but it could. And if it did it would not change in any way the significance or truth of Yeshua's death and resurrection.
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Some people were really pathetic. When all the gospels tell the same story, they said they copied from each other. When gospels are different, they asked, " why did the gospel writers miss this event?". Both ways, they wanted to eat them just like Orthodox Judaism.
What really makes it not a dumb question is how he’s asking. He’s not asking it as a “gotcha” question, he’s genuinely curious about why something that big isn’t in more gospels. He wants to learn
God, be with that young man and bring him to you. I like how he was actually wanting to learn instead of blindly arguing
Young man, get away from these nutjobs who expect you to believe their claims without providing any legitimate evidence. The Bible is the claim, not the proof.
That speaker is trash talking the young student. His observation was excellent but dogma doesn't allow for contradictions so he tries to explain it away with some mental gymnastics.
It is also written that the dead rose and marched towards the town on the day of crucifiction but no other sources found it important to mention a zombie apocalypse.
Whoopsie. 🙄
@@j.m.w.5064 Typical response from an immature Christian! Dude, you have know idea who you're dealing with... Dr. Turk would CRUSH you in a debate!
@j.m.w.5064
It was mentioned during the account of Jesus’s crucifixion but clearly stated this occurred on the day of Christ’s Resurrection. Matthew 27:53
@@j.m.w.5064 You see the world through a dark lens.
Humility is far more impressive than being smart
hard 2 find anymore
Humility is the lubricant of society.
How so?
Definitely better to be humble than full of pride. Also true wisdom is found only in God above. This worldly "smarts" will only get a person so far. It takes supernatural wisdom & knowledge to make it to Heaven & that begins with the fear of the Lord.
That's actually one of the best questions I've seen asked of Dr Turek.
Well, how did you like Dr. Tureks answer then?
@@gi169 It is a good answer to the question. There is every reason to expect that the four gospels would present the same event from differing points of view.
@@gi169 Has Frank ever given you a wrong answer?
@@mikesarno7973 "Synoptic Problem."
@@mikesarno7973
The fact that the other three gospels don't mention it makes it more likely that the gospel writers are telling the truth, otherwise, if it were all made up, they'd all have the same events in the same order with no alleged "contradictions".
Anyone who asks questions for information is not dumb; that's actually one way to be un-dumb.
there are 4 Gospels - In Ezekiel and revelation, there is a creature in heaven, with four faces, LION-EAGLE-MAN-OX. this creature represents the four gospels, Jesus as MAN, Jesus as servant the OX, Jesus as King and Jesus as God. This was well known in Victorian times, they published books with this four headed motif. I worked in an auctioneers, this came up often in books with a theological content. Older books. Its not seen as much after 1970 . The Victorians really understood their bible. Much of what they taught was lost by the later dumbass generations. Who read fantasy novels and mills and boons romances. Matthew is only concerned with Jewish matters. and so will deliberately omit certain thinks to do with gentiles. LUKE is the gentile Gospel directed to ME, the Christian. i should concentrate on Luke. I can read Matthew, but if I do I might mix the outcome that is solely for the Jews at the end times, with my own fate. I should avoid Matthew. If you are Jewish.. Matthew is for YOU. It deals with ISRAEL. Matthew 24. is TOXIC to Christians, they apply it to themselves? they do not understand not everything is written to them.
@paultimson6674woah 😳 - your commentary , along with this video, is very interesting and appreciated 🙏
Undumb 😂
@@indigofenrir7236 Is believing magic to be real smart?
@@hhh-et2vi Is criticizing a book you've never read smart?
Caleb, I don’t know if you’ll ever see this but I just want to tell you how encouraging it is to see a young person asking great questions about Scripture. May God grant you wisdom, knowledge and understanding as time goes by. 🙏🏼
Well done! 👍
We're seeing it brother. God sees it, and around the globe others will see it. Grafted in you are part of that vine.
However, the scriptures tell us that those who are part of God's organisation and remain part of the vine, are active in Christian works - namely, producing fruitage, which means preaching and making disciples - which in turn requires substantial bible knowledge.
Now do you see the problem that you have by inferring that some random person is an approved, knowledgeable and active Christian, when clearly they are not - the guy in the audience is not part of the vine that Jesus clearly describes in the Bible.
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How come the Bible wasn't written in a way so all would understand especially when not understanding has severe consequences?
Then why does He rely on pedophiles to spread his message instead of showing up?
Jeeeeeez
@@oxybenzol9254 the parts of the Bible that have ‘severe consequences’ are rather easy to understand. Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16, etc. It shouldn’t be surprising that a collection of books taking up over 1000 pages and written by dozens of authors over many centuries in many genres has parts that are difficult to understand in modern ears - what is incredible is the depth of unity and inspiration across the whole lot.
Caleb, it wasn’t a dumb question whatsoever! Well done by you. I really don’t think that at your age, I would’ve even come close to asking such an intelligent question.
I’m probably 3x your age and I didn’t think of it at all!
👏👏👏
I got saved in my early 20's & people always told me I asked good questions & was wise for my age. I'm 47 now & still ask tough questions & always eager to learn all I can about Jesus & Heaven
Caleb is not dumb and his countenance is beautiful.
What a gross way to describe a young Christian who looks about 14 years old. His "countenance is beautiful"? He looks like a baby whose body hasn't even fully formed. Shame on you and every single person that liked your comment.
That is an extremely inappropriate way to refer to a kid who looks about 14 years old.
@ And actually Jeb. His countenance is better than most Christians I know including myself almost to the point of being angelic which is.....considering he does not believe in God. I am not like he is and have a full strobg belief in God but you go on treating people the way you do. 👍👍👍👍👍
@@HeronChasing He looks like a child, because he is a child. I can see right through you, stop lying to yourself because the only one falling for it is yourself.
Repent of your sinful desires. When you look with lust, you have committed adultery already in your heart.
@@HeronChasing He looks like a child, because he is a child. Repent of your sins.
I’ve been it that young man’s shoes so many times in the past. That was a very brave and smart question to ask and the answer was a class act.
This is how we thrive
Amen
That was a very good question. God, please help that young man to continue to seek you and bring godly Christian people alongside him. In the Name of Jesus, Amen!
pray🙏🙏🙏
It was a great question Caleb!
I like it when scholars are willing to say, "we don't really know but here's our best guess." It brings a sense of honesty and genuineness to the conversation. It's definitely a question I've wondered about as well.
I love listening to the insights of Frank Turek.
"Insights" - lol.
🙏🙏🙏
Insight? Hmmm. Luke couldn't include everything? That's his "insight"? So, an earthquake caused by the son of God rising from the dead, thereby granting eternal salvation to every human being who will ever exist, wasn't important enough to document. But 16 verses of genealogy was? I see.
Every young person has a time in their life when they have these questions. Kudos to him for searching
Good question young man. One day I’ll ask Matthew myself!
Matthew is a Jewish Gospel that deals with Jewish matters. a Christian should read LUKE and JOHN. they should avoid Matthew? as Matthew is giving the outcome of ISRAEL.
The wheat harvest. If a Christian reads Matthew 24, he will try to apply that outcome to himself. He does not understand CONTEXT. who is being addressed. If i leave a letter on a billboard, telling Tom to fix the shelves, and Harry to fix the plumbing. I do not expect to see Tom and Harry to both be doing the same job?
each is directed to their own notes.
There are four gospels for a reason.
four cake recipes.
you do not mix them all in to one big mixture.
Luke is for CHRISTIANS, we read LUKE. that is what happens to us. the end times etc.
Israel is to read MATTHEW. that is what happens to them. They are gathered by the angels at harvest time.
We are not gathered. We are selected. Jesus comes for his church in one day.
The Jews are gathered over 42 months.
so you cannot mix them up? into one story?
I think it would be better to ask the other Apostles why they didn't include it. Luke would be the one I'd ask considering how long his gospel was.
@@DashRiprock-m3b did you not understand. they sell 4 types of chocolate bars. Marzipan, nut, raisins, coconut,. you do not sell nut and marzipan. you have separated out the flavours to target specific people. The Gospels do not have it all, because they describe Jesus in four ways. that is why there is FOUR, not 18 gospels, not one. not two? not three. As Ezekiel dated 550BC, describes a four headed creature. EAGLE-MAN-OX-LION. this creature is the Gospels. you do not put every action into all four gospels, as each action describes jesus in a particular way.
if you applied for a job as a teacher? do you emphasize your ability to swim a mile a day? or how you have a parachute hobby. Nope. You tell them your qualifications, your skill set as it relates to that job. That is why there are four gospels. they deal with four aspects of GOD.
@paultimson6674 Dude, I'm not the one who declared in John 8:
"17 In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true."
Be advised I'm just messing with you here. God's word is true and I'm not going to be silly and nitpick why there isn't a second recording of an earthquake.
@@DashRiprock-m3b One problem we have as modern Westerners is thinking the apostles and new Testament writers had the same priorities as we do. They obviously didn’t. They thought differently as they occupied a different world.
Thank you CrossExamined
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Thank you, GiL !
Shalom, Brother 💚
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Peace to you as well brother...
God's face shine upon you...
That was a great question, and asked with a good intent.
The question poses a good argument against collusion. All 4 gospels could've said the exact same things, the exact same way and used the exact same words.
That however would cast far more doubt on their validity than anything else as eyewitnesses don't do that. Neither did Jesus' disciples.
I disagree because when you read the gospels of Matthew, Luke and John, they copy a lot of Mark... Sometimes word for word.
Collusion? I guess it depends how you define it.
There is collusion amongst the Synoptics, and to a certain extent John. It’s called the synoptic problem. As for story lines found in one gospel but not in an another, despite the synoptic problem, is only evidence of a particular theological concept the author feels is important to convey.
@@mustachemac5229 They copied a lot? How much is that?
Eyewitnesses should have some things in common. That also would be suspect if they didn't.
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No. Some of the text is word for word copied. We know it is.
Are you aware of the Q, L and M sources?
Google it.
@@frankguetta9529I’m a Farrer hypothesis guy. Much more logical in my submission. Read Mark Goodacres book on it. Or search for one of his lectures
He's not being dumb, he's being humble
Very humble. Unlike a lot of snarky know it all skeptics!!!!
Being skeptical is a good thing, it's probably why you don't believe in Hinduism. And Frank is the only (know it all).
@@hhh-et2viindeed. Love skepticism
Being skeptical's a fabulous attribute to have. It'll never give you myocarditis...
or a number of other issues transpiring right now...
due to some experimental, pseudoscience concoction making the rounds the last few years.
@@hhh-et2vi 🤣🤣
@@hhh-et2viindeed
John said that everything about Christ could not be contained in a book. That's why the writers chose their purpose of writing and stayed on task. Therefore you have variations in their writings.
And variations in the interpretations (as we all see different denominations) which means the book is not inerrant. The history overall may be true, but the bible isn't inerrant if people don't all view it the exact same.
Very well and nothing prevents a godman with the supernatural powers John attributes to Jesus from personally accurately and unambiguously relating his true nature and teachings for future generations. That’s not what happened.
We have riddles and clues on remnant copies of papyrus texts.
One may observe that not everything about the Lewis and Clark Expedition could be contained in one book either. Nevertheless we have far more original first person evidence about these real people and their experiences than we have about Jesus and his Disciples. We have Baked clay tablets and stone engravings far older than the first century but for the origins of Christianity we have papyrus remnants and no mid 1st century remnants that I’m aware of …correct me if I’m mistaken.
Perhaps A real God capable of doing far better simply didn’t…but that’s neglect not love.
How am I mistaken?
Why not let faith just be faith?
The available evidence doesn’t permit the conclusions that faith traditions insist upon.
While that is perfectly fine as a faith narrative…it’s disingenuous as assertions of historical accuracy.
No, John said that not everything could be contained in a book. “Everything could not” means “nothing could”.
@@robinharwood5044 Very well Robin … people who encounter genuine extraordinary and transcendent experiences often say something along the lines of “words can never express…”. I think most of us can relate to that. So why not just let faith be faith?
John doesn’t include a birth narrative (nor does Paul our earliest source)
and Mark offers nothing about resurrection sightings or glorified body descriptions
and no dialogues beyond an empty tomb.
A real Jesus was not prevented from providing future generations with unambiguously clear and reasonably well verified narratives. That didn’t happen. We have what we have.
Scholarly and scientific criticism raises genuine issues that are not resolved by dogmatic assertions
of special pleading except among those with any given dogma.
Yet How do such criticisms (or their dogmatic responses) prevent discipleship?
Why must Christian narratives be historically “right” in order to be true in one’s heart and life?
John invented a lot of his gospel.
It’s a good question.
If a teacher asked their whole class to write a brief history of America, all of those histories would be a little different. Some might contain this or that and others wouldn’t. Would they all contain 9/11? Would they all contain WWI? The Industrial Revolution? Ronald Reagan’s presidency? Even if all but one failed to mention a particular event, it would not invalidate the truth of the event written about in the one paper. If it happened, it happened, whether or not a lot of people wrote about it or not. As far as the Gospels, there were only four. Only four. How much of the story are we missing because five other disciples didn’t also write Gospels? At least we have Matthew’s Gospel, and he told us.
I am grateful to the gospel writers for their perceptive and who they are writing to because if all four gospels wrote word for word about one another I would be highly skeptical l of their accounts.
Consider reading on the Synoptic Problem. There are many word for word copies in Matthew and in Luke who used Mark as source material.
If all four Gospels recorded all the same events, then there there wouldn’t be a need for three of the Gospels. All the Gospels share commonalities, but each one is also unique. Their uniqueness does not make them contradictory but complimentary.
@@nathanaelsmith4251 Complementary, just like the human body and the body of Christ.
If they were all identical, that would be suspicious. We know that no two people see the same events exactly the same, even in modern courtrooms it’s a well known fact. The fact that they are different, that each testimony varies slightly on the details, is what makes them authentic. These differences are strong evidence that real people who had real experiences wrote the gospels.
Pity they can't agree on Christ's last words, when the crucifixion happened, who first saw the resurrected Christ, and a lot of other things.
@mirandahotspring4019 You gonna cite examples or are you just all talk?
@@indigofenrir7236 I gave three examples, can't you read?
Caleb read the 4 gospels and then came up with a question based on what he read in the Gospels. That’s a sign of an intelligent person. There’s no way it could be a dumb question.
Great question and wonderful response.
To put the take of the Gospels into today’s prospective: cnn typically covers a story from the left point of view; while fox does the same coverage from the right point of view. They are both correct and incorrect depending on the target audience’s leanings. And mostly correct when they hit the same middle ground points.
Matthew starts out with an in depth genealogy from the earthly parental perspective listing the earthly, and Luke does this the same but slightly different. John skips all this and proclaims the spiritual truth, Jesus is God in the opening of his gospel; and reinforces this with Christ saying this multiple times.
Just because Matthew and Luke don’t name the exact same people in the exact order doesn’t mean these are not from the lineage of Joseph and Mary. Just because John is the only one to record the conversation with Nicodemus doesn’t mean he made it up and didn’t happen.
Paul writes almost exclusively to the Gentile perspective; but it does not mean his writings are not for the Jews that accepted Christ. Even Peter acknowledges Paul’s writings.
Again, great question that should prompt all of us to examine ourselves as to what we truly believe. Do we believe the Bible because one has read it and allowed the Holy Spirit to speak through the Word? Or is one just going on what a pastor, parent, or grandparent has said the Bible says? There are many today with massive followings and huge social media platforms that contort the Bible for money.
He’s right about “we don’t know why 3 of the Gospels didn’t include the earthquake”, but we also have to remember that every Gospel writer had a different point of view, depending on their culture, and they simply may not have given the earthquake any significance, and so didn’t include it. Things like this often drive us modern Americans crazy, because we are a science and time driven society. A culture that doesn’t value (or even know about) these things is hard for us to understand.
A different point of view yet some parts were copied word for word.
@@vladtheemailer3223 which parts?
@@user-oz1fd1hz9d Look up "plagiarism in the gospels" and "synoptic problem."
Since Matthew wrote his gospel principally for Jews, especially those who were in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus' crucifixion, he includes this event as a reminder to them, to encourage them to believe! What an experience it must have been for some of his readers to experience the earthquake, and then begin to see, walking around Jerusalem people they KNEW had died, and what and eye-opener for those who had spent the last three decades wondering what it all meant!
So why did the residents of Jerusalem not believe in any of these myths?
Is that what Matthew told you?
@@AyubHamid-n8o
Read Matthew 15:8. You'll get your answer
Each gospel stands on its own. There is no dependency. Take it for what it is. There is no need to try to "harmonize" the four. Most importantly they should be read aloud in the church, to the church.
Please read up on the Synoptic Problem, they are very much dependent…particularly Matthew and Luke
Oh but we are so clever 2000 years later, as if we can do it better. They did not think about us, just the readers then and the writers of the 4 gospels wanted to tell the story where all the main stuff is told to their respective audiences.
It's people in later years that created the problems.
@@AutumnVine101because we know more now
When you say no need to harmonize….do you really mean they can contradict each other or can a truth be a lie? Scripture must always interpret scripture otherwise why would you trust any of it?
It's always good to ask questions, how else can we know the answer?
When I discovered that earthquake is recorded in the NOAA earthquake database and references the crucifixion, my faith was encouraged.
They had instruments set up back then? The source you cite uses the gospel as a record so not a proof of any kind.
May Jesus Christ the God guide all Muslims,Buddhist,Hindu,Agnostic and Atheist to Christianity.
Agreed, of course He already has through His Word. cheers
Nah, may He guide them to Himself. Dont put your trust in Christianity, put your trust in Jesus who saves. The church has been used for a lot of horrible things, but Christ is Lord.
@@nikkisigmon8090 Christianity is faith based on a personal relationship with our Lord God Savior Redeemer King Jesus Christ and the Bible, not on rules or religions. Romans 10:9-13. So YES, we trust implicitly, completely, emphatically in our Christianity faith in Lord Jesus Christ, Nagid (King) Adonai (Lord) Yeshua (Jesus) H'Mashiach (the Messiah). Our faith is NOT a religion - it is a personal relationship with our Savior Creator Lord Jesus and all HE wrote in His 66 books using the 40 men He chose to write them.
@@nikkisigmon8090How about Jesus or a God just showing up, outside of a books claim.
@@nikkisigmon8090, do u suggest Christianity is the church?
great question and great answer. humble young man.
So far as I can see, the answer boils down to "I don't know" (plus, "either way it doesn't matter because the veracity of this event doesn't affect the truth of the resurrection", which he says is not his view but is defensible). Assumung Turek has previously argued about the importance of "impact events" in the Gospel narratives and their truthfulness (which I infer from the exchange during the question), it points out an inconsistency in Turek's own position that he doesn't address or admit.
Great question!
I am no Biblical scholar or Philosopher (not taught at Georgia Tech) but I spent many hours being an "Expert Witness" in product liability trials where our product was alleged to have failed and caused injury. One "strong assertion" of the defense lawyers involved was as follows... The plaintiffs witnesses to the supposed product failure were always sequestered so they could not hear each other's sworn testimony. The corollary was that if they all gave exactly the same, identical story it was to be assumed they had been "coached" and told what to say. Supposedly, true "eye witnesses" always provide slightly different accounts due to their different viewpoint, location, perspective, prejudices, vocation, etc, etc.
I apply that same "human" trait to the minor and inconsequential differences in the Gospel accounts. The differences actually PROVE that they are telling what they observed first-hand and they did not in any way attempt to collaborate or embellish their eye-witness accounts. I would like to hear from any trial lawyer that might "happen" to read this.
The gospel authors were not eyewitnesses so your whole point is moot
They observed nothing "first hand" (especially not the part where Jesus is in the desert with the Devil since only these 2 were present)
I'm glad that he reassured the young man that his question was not dumb.
This is exactly like comicbook nerds arguing about which stories should be canon and which ones should be omitted from a characters history.
Except that the wisdom contained within the pages of the Bible far exceeds even the greatest literary works of mankind and can truly lead to everlasting life. It's you who is missing out, my friend. But it needn't be that way...
@80sizzle The bible is full of recycled, much older stories that came from cultures and religions that greatly predates the advent of the israelites who would become the jewish people.
The new testament, specifically Jesus' story (whom is not even fully confirmed to have ever existed) is a broad re-telling of Dionysus' lifestory infused with the general messages of hinduism and buddhism, religions which are both much older than judaism and certainly christianity.
The bible contradicts itself in dozens of places, especially when it comes to what the war god Yahwe actually commands people to do (which is then further contradicted by the writings of St Paul) and when the unknown writers try to legitimize its claims by connecting his wild tales to real historic people and events, and misses the mark by decades and sometimes centuries; Joshua, the bible claims, conquored Jericho. But in reality, Jericho had been abandoned for 400 years before Joshua was born (according to the insane calculation in the bible that tells people that this planet is only 6000 years old).
The bible is overflowing with lies, ripped off myths and it promotes every crime known to humankind; it teaches us that slavery is a good thing and so is subjugating women, killing gay people, incest, r@pe, every form of murder and it encourages the eradication of other cultures.
It is a disgusting text and the only two books that are more evil are the koran and the malleum malificarus; the witch's hammer.
Last I checked comic characters didn’t fulfill over 300 prophecies. That’s the equivalent of blindfolding you dropping you & a tiny black speck onto a random beach & you finding that black speck on the first try while still being blindfolded
Most young souls under college age do not ask, 'Got ya' questions. For that I am glad because those questions really come from the Hearts (Souls) that are God-Forward! ❤
I pray as we all should for young people who are willing to learn and trying to get understanding from the elders of the church.
The events of Matthew 27:51-53 are all that the Bible contains directly on this subject. There is no other specific reference to those who were raised at the crucifixion of Christ.
However, there is a very plain statement made in Ephesians 4:8 which enables us to come to a very clear understanding of the matter.
The text reads that when Christ ascended up on high He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
The margin has it, "a multitude of captives."
From this it is known that when Christ ascended to heaven, He took with Him a multitude of captives redeemed from the grave as proofs of His power over death and the grave.
That multitude, brought up from the graves and made immortal, and taken to heaven, stands as a demonstration of the fact that Christ has the keys of death and the grave.
They are evidences that He died and rose again, not for Himself, but for the world. In them is demonstrated the truth that the resurrection of Jesus means the resurrection and immortality of all the righteous.
Thank you for that explanation my friend. If I might add another thought to your post. I believe the feast of first fruits was celebrated on the first day of the week following the Sabbath following Passover. That means Resurrection Sunday would've also been the celebration of the feast of first fruits. When Christ brought these certain newly resurrected dead with Him to God, He would've been presenting to God the first fruits of His resurrection. The first fruits of a harvest yet to come. God bless you
@@corytrissel8348 Amen my friend, Jesus did indeed rest in the grave on the Sabbath in death, as He did in life, and then rose on the first day of the week to present the wave sheaf to His Father in Heaven.
The presentation of the first fruits was a part of the celebration of the days of unleavened bread. The presentation took place on the “morrow after the Sabbath,” the sixteenth day of Abib. Leviticus 23:11.
This was not a Sunday, neither by the Lord' Calendar nor by the Julian Calendar which was in use by the Roman Republic in the days of Christ.
Grace to you, and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Great question, Caleb!
Good job young man. You honestly ask better questions than any atheist in the comments will ask.
That is because there are no atheists in the comments or anywhere. The Bible tells us this brother.
@@gi169 waves in atheist
@gi169 Aaaaaaw poor gil, You're an atheist when it comes to every other religion.
@@gi169How many other religions do you think declare that they have the truth?
Matthew is also the only source that mentions the many jewish saints who rose from the dead and appeared to many people just like Jesus.
That was a much bigger miracle than just the resurrection of Jesus, but no one noticed it or mentioned it. Very strange, right?
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Well done Caleb, you're doing what many people DON'T do - you're TESTING what you're being told. KEEP proving to yourself, and you'll do just fine!
(Acts 17:11; Phil 1:9,10; 1 Thess. 5:21; 1 Peter 3:15; 1 John 4:1)
Different people tell the same story differently. As a person who used to party and go out a lot, got into bar fights and was very social. A day after the event, we would all speak of the same incident but from different perspectives. One would tell of how two guys jumped me, one would speak of how he saw one guy attack me, and so on. One would say how I drank 4 beers the other who bought me 6 beers would speak of how I downed six beer for the evening. We all speak like this every day. One would mention a few names in a bigger group, some would mention every name in the group. Didn’t make the stories less true. Differences in who we decide to mention, does not make the entire evening untrue. I remember a bar fight that involved all of my friends, but when I talk about it I only speak of the bar fight that involved me on my best friend because we stood side by side. If another friend speak of the same bar fight he would mention 4 other guys and may not even mention me. I wish people would see how they do it every day and how the people with the gospels would do the same
Good question, good answer. 👍
Dr. Turek is right; whether or not the earthquake and the opening of the graves described in Matthew really happened does not change whether or not the resurrection occurred.
It *_does_* of course change whether or not the gospel according to Matthew is true, at least on this point, and therefore if we should consider the Bible the divinely inspired Word of God.
And again the earthquake with the ground splitting and the veil ripping would not make a lot of sense or splash to pagans and gentiles. But it sure rings a Korah bell from the mountain and they would definitely see the resemblance. It would have been something specific to the jews and matthew is a jewish gospel. If ron wyatt is correct then when the earth rent, the blood of the sacrifice fell on top of the ark of the covenant. Not a specific artifact to any but of the jewish race at that time.
@@Maxdickus You said: _"And again the earthquake with the ground splitting and the veil ripping would not make a lot of sense or splash to pagans and gentiles."_
I am not sure if that is true; in many pagan myths or even biographies of famous people, portents like these are described as well; darkening of the skies, eclipses, thunderstorms, etc. are quite common. The concept was pretty much universal.
You said: _"But it sure rings a Korah bell from the mountain and they would definitely see the resemblance. It would have been something specific to the jews and matthew is a jewish gospel."_
The specific events may have special significance for the Jews or people familiar with their lore, but the general concept of portentous events was widely known and understood.
You said: _"If ron wyatt is correct then when the earth rent, the blood of the sacrifice fell on top of the ark of the covenant. Not a specific artifact to any but of the jewish race at that time."_
Ron Wyatt had to ask permission to the owners of the Garden Tomb to carry out his investigations, and was supervised by representatives of the Garden Tomb Association. They have published an official letter stating that Ron Wyatt did not find anything.
That’s a really good observation, Caleb. I hadn’t even thought about that before.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
Good question. And ready to learn.
The earthquake was recorded by the Romans at the time, the darkness was recorded by various peoples around the world including but not limited to The Chinese Empire of the time, these events were as such recorded by sources not directly in the region.
As for the dead rising from their graves, if memory serves me right, Pilot write back to Rome about this and other events revolving around Jesus.
I could be mistaken about it being Pilot, but it was by a Roman and he did write to Cesar about them.
[Citation needed]
Your first claim is probably referring to Thallus supposedly referring to the darkness at Jesus death. This was based on a later quotation of Thallus that has been debunked because we have the original text.
Your second claim is probably referring to Pliny the younger. Pliny was the first Roman to ever mention anything about Christians..... in 110ad, so not exactly early
@NathanD.-yo8zg You don't have to drive down to the local library for sources.
G 👀 gle "Recorded earthquakes in Jerusalem during the Roman Empire" and you should get this:
There are multiple recorded earthquakes in Jerusalem during the Roman Empire, including:
31 BCE
Josephus Flavius wrote about an earthquake that occurred in early spring 31 BCE, during the proxy war between King Herod and the Nabataeans. The earthquake struck while Herod's army was camped in the open.
33 AD
An earthquake occurred on April 3, 33 AD, causing moderate damage, especially to the western side of Temple Mount.
66-70 AD
An earthquake occurred during the Pentecost festival, the night before the Jewish War. Josephus described the earthquake as being accompanied by a voice from heaven that said, "let us remove from here".
70 AD
Many earthquakes were recorded during the Roman siege of Jerusalem.
The other "debunking" that you claim is a WOFTAM for me to type anything.
Go back to your Darwinism and it's racist elitism.
@fluffysheap type into Google:
"There are multiple recorded earthquakes in Jerusalem during the Roman Empire, including:" and the results are listed. Then search Roman Empire recorded earthquakes and the results are lengthy, as the empire was huge. But 31 and 33 AD are listed.
As for China:
History of the Latter Han Dynasty
This Chinese classic describes a total eclipse in the fourth month of the summer, during which the sun and moon were eclipsed. The record also states that the emperor proclaimed a pardon for all people, and that the sins of all people were on one man.
Imperial records
The imperial records of the time included a note that stated, "The Man from Heaven died".
Some say that the Chinese had no knowledge of Jesus in 3-AD, and that Christian missionaries would not have gone to China at that time. However, others say that the Chinese recorded the darkening of the sun and the proclamation of pardon in their history.
Again, feel free to research it and add to that a search into the religion of China during the Dynasties.
They didn't use the terms we use in English but much of it is similar or identical to Yahweh of The Holy Bible in too many ways.
@fluffysheap 2 of my replies have been deleted, maybe because I copy pasted from different sources.
Or maybe someone deleted them. Idk.
Happened to your response and to the other comment reply too.
Am wondering if this comment gets deleted too.
That was a very good question.
“Luke was running out of scroll so left some stuff out probably” - definitely sounds like what the inspired word of god would be limited by, a lack of stationary!
LOL
Inspired word meaning the truth of what happened. I think you are confusing human condition with godly.
@@robert-cd4nd I think you’re confusing a joke with something serious
He established the evidence from the compressed events. He is just speculating as you are about what should be there.
@@chrisazure1624 no idea what you’re trying to say
Not a dumb question! What a very precious young man...I can say things like this cuz I'm a grandma 👵 I bet he's his grandma's favorite (all of mine are my favorites 🤩)
It's an excellent question. And it's not the only case.. why nobody but John reports the amazing resurrection of Lazarus?
Different parts of the Bible speak to different people. For example, for me, the part where Peter tells Jesus that he will die along with him and then Jesus tells Peter that he will deny Jesus three times. Peter doesn't believe Jesus and says that will never happen. But then it does happen and Peter is ashamed of himself and is immediately in the greatest despair of his life. He weeps because he knows in his heart that what Jesus says is true and he can't possibly love like Jesus does. That's what the Catholic church is built on. Peter is very weak but he realizes his weakness and he goes back to Jesus again and again every time he falls. I'm Peter every day of my life. I sin every day. I tell Jesus that I'm going to avoid sin but then I do it anyway. It is my own hands that hammer the nails through the wood of the cross every day. Like Peter, I am a sinner.
"And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.
Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness. But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him." I John 3:3-6
That is a smart question! If I might take my own stab at it, what is an impact event varies from person to person. For example, if you were to ask me "Did you pay that $20,000 bill?" I would probably say "I'm not sure, I'd have to check" because in my job I pay those kinds of bills all the time, whereas the impact of an earthquake to me, even the slightest tremor, would have me talking about it for days compared to someone from California 😂
Asking a question for knowledge is the least dumb thing you can do. Godspeed young man on your search for knowledge and Truth.
Two perspectives of gospels:
One: Like four different portraits of one person by four different artists, all will be different, yet all will capture elements of the same person
Two: The gospels are like the progression of reporting on an unfolding news event.
Mark - A "first on the scene" account of what happened. Just basic facts with little elaboration like a reporter first on the scene.
Luke - A little later, once the reporter can gather more information and include more in the story. Like a longer newspaper story from a different reporter.
Matthew - Covered the story for the Jewish audience, so it focuses more on what the Hebrew people found interesting.
John - Like the "True Story" book detailing things that reporters didn't initially catch or elaborate on. Order of events was arranged for dramatic writing purposes, not like reporting on events by a journalist.
As events unfold in news story it is not unusual for certain events to be omitted at first, and other's to be de-emphasized later on. That doesn't mean that it wasn't true.
It happened. Jesus existed in the flesh. He came to earth to teach, heal, preach, give inspiration, and fulfil prophecy. He died on the cross for all who believe so we could have abundant and eternal life. If you are missing that, I pray some day you will realize this truth and believe.
Mark was certainly not 'first on the scene' - this is not even a claim of the church, Mark was allegedly recording sermons of Peter - but even this is probably not true. Luke copied Mark and so did Matthew. John clearly makes some of his Gospel up, recording events for which there were no witnesses.
They all miss the most important event , one that hasn't stopped happening till today and will not stop .
That Christ died on the cross for our sins and offered us salvation unto eternal life through Him
The fact that after 2000 yrs people still believe and accept Christ as the living God .
The fact that more and more people are still giving their lives to Christ .
When we take the 4 Gospels and align them with each other using the feeding of the 5,000 as a center point all of the Messiah's miracles and Ministry can be easily seen and it was 70 weeks not 3 1/2 years.
It actually makes more sense that only Matthew recorded the earthquake, the veil in the Temple torn, and the dead rising from their graves in the wake of Christ’s death on the cross. It’s the same with him being the only one to talk about the Magi coming to see Christ after his birth or the star that they followed in the sky to find him. The reason why is because the gospel itself was meant to be received by the Jews themselves and as such it deals with Jewish prophetic fulfillments in Christ and proofs that he was the Messiah the Jews had awaited moreso than the other gospels do. There’s actually extra biblical sources for the earthquake when Christ died as well like from the historian Thallus as an example who also wrote about this event along with the darkness that befell Judea during the crucifixion
Or. Matthew liked to make up ridicule stories.
@ Thallus wasn’t a Christian, and he recorded the same events in his history of Judea from that time period. You’ll have to do better argumentation than that next time 😉
@@narrowistheway77
Thallus didn't write about a bunch of zombies taking a walk in Jerusalem... Did he?
@ the resurrected dead in Matthew’s gospel were not “zombies”. When GOD raises the dead to life they do not have rotten flesh or feel the need to cannibalize the living, instead they are like you and me. It’s interesting how you feel the need to adlib in order to support your own narrative. What Thallus did record supports the ending of Matthew’s gospel
@narrowistheway77
So, the answer is no, thallus didn't write anything about a bunch of raised corps walking around. Got it.
One theory (based upon a very early account of how the Gospels were derived and in what order) is as follows:
- Matthew was written first primarily to the Jews.
- Mark was a shorter, later account because it was Peter's account transcribed by Mark shortly before his death (because Peter wasn't quite as fluent in Greek) -- with explanation of its creation possibly mentioned in 2 Peter 1:12-21.
- Luke's account was purportedly based upon the Gospel given to Paul and confirmed by Luke through eyewitnesses (likely while Paul was in a Roman prison).
- John's gospel was the last written and essentially filled in the places of important verbal details that weren't often included within the other gospels.
Consequently, neither Mark's gospel nor Luke's gospel were directed to the Jews of Judea who would remember that earthquake. Moreover, by the time he wrote his gospel, John was most likely living in "Asia" (i.e., Greek-speaking Anatolia (i.e., present day Turkey) and interacting primarily with Gentiles. Thus, the only Gospel writer who would think that the earthquake was inherently important (as a confirmation) for the narrative would be Matthew. It was an early account with the earthquake still fresh in the minds of Gospel of Matthew readers.
I hope this young man realizes that this was a fantastic question. One of my favorite books is The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. The questions that he asks or questions that I wanted to ask all my life and I have been studying the Bible for over 50 years. Asking why is what makes life great, and trying to find out the reasons why. Asking questions is what builds your faith.
Try reading some Bart Ehrman as well to get a balanced view.
You buy into Strobel's nonsense?
I thought that all the gospels were written anonymously? They did not have any of the author's names on them and the writers can not be identified.
He just admitted that each of the gospel writers had their own agendas... Imagine that. So much for it being the word of God.
I think we at least know for certain that Matthew was extremely detail-oriented as well, based upon how detailed the genealogy of Jesus is written.
How about all of the gospel writers 'remembering' the raising of Lazarus? I think that qualifies as an impact event.
Its like each writer of the gospels were given certain plot points to keep in it, but could make other changes as they saw fit.
What would be the point in having four Gospels if they were all exactly alike?
When they’re alike, they say they copied each other and aren’t reliable. When they’re different, they say they’re contradictory and aren’t reliable.
@SaintPaul-bp3qr People who don't want to believe in the Bible will find all kinds of excuses not to.
Why is it not in the other gospels? Mark, Matthew and John did not think of making it up.
*Does anybody know which study-bible that is used in this video? It has those little picture icons of a bible, and a cross at the beginning of each book, I believe. You can see an example of it @**1:48** Which study bible is this? thanks! :)*
After a bit of a search...he is using stock images. I found them on Shutterstock. I can't find which Bible they are using.
That's right, it's not a dumb question. Especially because it's one without a concrete answer. If the answer is "we don't know" or even "we can't know," then we can only speculate. Like, "Why did God..."
There was a letter written to Rome by the guy in charge of Isreal (I do not remember his name) He mentioned that a guard near the tomb told him the about the earthquake. So it happened and it was a small thing to them because it was common.
Such a good questioner does not deserve to be patronised and belittled like that.
He asks specifically about impact events, and neither Frank nor, Frankly, any of the pious comments that I have seen here, is honest enough to consider that point. Everyone starts from the premise that all of the canonical gospels are ex hypothesi true, and after that either you rationalise away the actual language of your texts away or cop out saying you don't know.
An honest approach might say that it doesn't really matter if you believe in the true point of what Jesus said. Such an approach might add that the gospels were written by human beings who wanted to make a good story and therefore augmented it with what they thought would capture the popular imagination and lead them thus in the right direction.
An honest historian's approach would say that none of that history might be true, but that there is nevertheless significant content in the recorded sayings of Jesus to warrant the serious spiritual attention that it has received in some quarters.
Each evangelist wrote for a different audience. It was unlikely, in those days, that any one audience was even aware of another's version, and centuries before the Church would set them side by side - available for comparison.
Definitely NOT a dumb question!
Speculating as to the inconsistency doesn't resolve the inconsistency of course. When witnesses have inconsistencies and omissions between each other, we have a forensic job of sifting through the evidence to determine the impact of those inconsistencies. We can't cross-examine dead authors. But in this case the smart question is asking why the accounts don't add up on a key event. Frankly, if in a courtroom the answer is "I don't know", examine whether "I don't know" on this one issue casts doubt on other evidence. Perfect alignment of stories can also be a red flag that stories have been edited for consistency. Misalignment on a key fact is a red flag that the key fact may not have happened. Either way, its literally impossible to just accept "the word of God" while acknowledging that the 12 apostles were not God when they wrote their accounts. It is their word you are analyzing, through 2000 years of cross filtered translations between multiple languages and editions which were intentional edits. The King James Bible, for example, was not an attempt to reconcile inconsistencies. It was an attempt to standardize a fractured narrative, done by people who also had to speculate through the inconsistences.
These men the disciples were not book writers, they were not journalists, they just tried to write down years after Jesus ascended back into Heaven, what they remembered happening so that when they died their teachings of what Jesus taught them could continue on, they were eyewitness accounting what they remembered and saw, and since all their accounts are similar but different shows it’s true, and that they didn’t collaborate their stories.
I was taught that Jesus is The King of Kings, The Servant of God, The Son of Man, and The Son of God in the four Gospels (from my memory.)
He actually seems like a smart kid.
I think that's exactly the point, Frank. An oddball occurrence or two calls into question the reliability of the text in general. I could just as easily flip that and say "whether or not Jesus' resurrection took place doesn't change whether or not all the dead patriarchs came out of their graves". It's disingenuous, and I think you know that.
Matthew writes to the Jewish audience. Here is a thought for consideration: The Earthquake would have been important as it was what shook the foundation of the temple and caused the structure to become unstable, and this is the reason why the Sanhedrin never again met in the temple in the place of judgement. they had to move it to another location. This is documented in extra-biblical records. If memory serves me right, this is also documented in the Talmud. So perhaps, the reason this is put in by Matthew is that it was a unique event which impacted the Jewish community and the Temple structure itself.
ForChristians, Jesus’s life and resurrection is the most critical event in history, and yet its record is documented ambiguously by multiple unknown authors in multiple formats, in a language (Greek) unknown by any of the people involved. Frank has good reason to “apologize” for this.
The question is not dumb, the answer, though....
The only thing "dumb" is having a question and not pursuing the answer
That kids question was not dumb but he was being observant, what most people don’t understand is that the gospel accounts are written by different individuals who had different traits. Luke was a physician and if you notice how he primarily focused on Jesus’ miracles ( healings) since that was something that he was familiar with…
Even a lot of gotcha questions aren't dumb...it's just how you react and deal with the answers.
That was a decent question
There were actually two separate quakes mentioned by Matthew. Another one when the angel moved the stone from the tomb.
John was present at Calvary, so his perspective will differ as the others were using 2nd hand information
I want to know how Matthew knew the dead had been raised to life on the Friday if they waited in the tombs for 3 days before leaving to talk to people.
Imagine looking into an opened tomb on Saturday and seeing a resurrected person just chilling for a bit.
Nice question. Never actually thought about it. At a guess, Mark and Luke both got the accounts second hand. Mark through Peter and Luke through Mary. Both would be talking about their best friend and son, respectively. And the earthquake wouldn't really feature. Matthew would have been hiding away somewhere, likely feeling guilty as can be so would be more attuned to that. That's just a guess though, could be waaaaay out
Ot helps if one can zoom put all the way and look at a possible purpose for the while book. Context helps I haven't done it
Just a few days ago I was wondering the same question but concerning the resurrection of Lazarus. Why did only John record this impact event? (btw I believe Bible is the perfect word of God, I am just wondering … )
A similar question comes to my mind- who was the first person Jesus resurrected? Definitely not Lazarus cos his resurrection was close to Lord's crucifixion.
I say Abraham.
Luke 16:22
“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;”
King James Version (KJV)
@@sebastian_manuells
@ I understand your reasoning. But I meant who was the 1st in new testament to be resurrected by Christ?
well that answered a question that i didn't know needed answered! interesting
I would submit that it wasn’t Luke’s decision not to include the earthquake, it was the Holy Spirit! All scripture is given by inspiration of God. If all four writers of the gospels wrote everything they witnessed, there wouldn’t be enough papyrus on the planet!
Did God command plagiarism?
@@vladtheemailer3223No, that was Joe Biden!🤫😂
I've lived in that part of the world. They have a lot of earthquakes. That would make it less impactful and less likely to be remembered.
But all the graves opening up and zombies walking around is abnormal, and no one but Matthew recorded anything about that. How credible does that make the gospels?
@@itsJPhere it has no bearing whatsoever on the other Gospels. Just like if you and I both witnessed a car accident from a different perspective and you saw 100 people standing across the street but I was paying attention to the person lying on the ground and was giving him CPR. The fact is: the car accident happened. You have some of the info. I have some different info. This is basic forensic science 101 stuff and why police interview multiple witnesses.
Now ask yourself this: if every Gospels contained precisely all the same details arranged in the same order.... wouldn't that tell you more than likely one person or one group was tweaking all the details to ensure everybody was on the exact same page? Having multiple witnesses who focus on different aspects of the same story tells us one thing: it's very likely they are unbiased and reliable rather than working off a "decided narrative."
Also, the Bible says the dead were raised and came out of their tombs. More than likely, their bodies were restored fully. It didn't say there was a zombie apocalypse. "The Walking Dead" reruns aren't very useful if you want to understand what the Bible has to say about this.
@@itsJPhere In any trial, the witnesses all tell somewhat different stories. Then there is the issue of later changes that are put in to enhance a story. I'm not saying that that happened in this case, but it could. And if it did it would not change in any way the significance or truth of Yeshua's death and resurrection.
If you want an impact event what about the resurrection of Christ only occurring in the Gospel of John, the last gospel?