The Lord was working in her heart through the truth she heard and she got it, keep your eyes on Jesus not on those people who say they are Christians but act like the Devil and look down on others who are not like them.
What a great explanation, that young lady is truly trying to find the truth. She seemed so happy with your explanation almost like you took down that last barrier. I learn so much from you. Many blessing to you Frank!
Very well put, Frank. This caused me to fall away from God when I was a teenager. It took over 20 years to see the truth, that man is fallible, and we need to keep our eyes on Him.
The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone” But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god. He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men. The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning. So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan. Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
@@Theo_Skeptomai That's the whole point, John 17:3: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
@@sauliruottu5871 That's how you answer DIRECTLY. Try doing that the _first time_ next time. My personal relationships 1) involve REAL entities (persons); 2) occur at a REAL and particular location and time; 3) with REAL interactions that are observable; 4) are experienced within a REAL medium of communication (voice, body language, gesture, touch, affection); with a REAL initiation (phone call, invitation, visitation); 5) and REAL response (affirmation, disagreement, correction, encouragement). Does a Christian's personal relationship with this Christ exhibit ANY of these characteristic features? Yes or no.
@DM-dk7js Christianity isn't about Hell though. Hell is a choice for people who don't want to be with God or Christ. If you don't Iike God. Why should He force you to be with Him. Also "Hell" is not a straightforward concept on scripture. Often times "Hell" in scripture is just a cultural relevant word. Like Jesus said "Hades" not Hell, but I am not sure He actually meant there was a Hell. The bible does mention a lake of fire but I believe that comes much later personally.
Her "thank you" was filled with hope and so wonderful to see! Be encouraged and seek the Lord young lady, everything you are seeking is Found in Jesus Christ! Many of us can relate to your experience and with a tender heart. Jesus is your treasure, He is your inheritance.
The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone” But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god. He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men. The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning. So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan. Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
This was very beautiful a good point how we sometimes think we’re all that, but we’re not yes we are made in the image of God and we are his creation so we coming to Sunship when we are saved by grace we are nothing without him, but we are someone operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. That way we can love you in Jesus name.😊
Her "thank you" was filled with hope and so wonderful to see! Be encouraged and seek the Lord young lady, everything you are seeking is Found in Jesus Christ! Many of us can relate to your experience and with a tender heart we understand from also being hurt by those not loving like Christ. But Jesus is your treasure, He is your inheritance. He is worth everything.
We as Christians don't believe we r better than you ! The opposite we know we need Jesus because we need his help in our lives! May the Lord bless you n keep you! Praise the Lord!
I have an answer from the Bible. The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone” But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god. He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men. The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning. So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan. Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
I'm glad that she had a clarification to her questions. Now it's up to her to surrender herself to the risen Christ that Frank preaches with conviction.
The Bible has a different take on this. The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone” But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god. He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men. The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning. So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan. Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
I love the Beethoven analogy. I borrowed it the other day in a posting exchange I was having with someone. I think it clicked and helped to shift their perspective. Hoping so anyway. I’m going to continue to borrow it- thank you lol!
Atheists and skeptics, I know it sometimes can be contentious chatting with us, but we really do love you and we don't think we are better than you. But there is such a thing as absolute truth and The Lord Jesus Christ is the absolute truth - God manifest in the flesh and Savior of the world. We will never compromise this. Edit... Ok I see alot of demands for evidence. We all know there is an entire body of evidence to be considered. What you are really demanding is proof. If you really want the truth and have read the Bible, you should know that you do not get to demand things on your terms. God knows your heart and your motives and will not reveal Himself to you unless you demonstrate some humility and contrition.
The trouble is that people who believe what you believe never come up with any evidence for it. I'm very happy to have hours of respectful discourse about Christian claims, but please could somebody actually come up with some evidence? (And in case you were going to suggest watching Frank Turek, he really doesn't have any either.)
@@philb4462 We don't need to. It's near-LITERALLY right at your fingertips. And, no; you're here to PROPAGANDIZE AGAINST any evidence that's presented to you. 😏
I believe in slightly conflicting thoughts while accepting and acceptance important we must remember not to judge one another and that God is good and Jesus went to his enemies.. not the people.. but the enemy in the deeds of man which we all do onto one another.. have a blessed day stay humbling.
This is one of the most valuable four minute videos on UA-cam. God loves all humans and all humans are made in God's image, are valuable, and will eternally exist. When a human starts and grows a genuine relationship with God together (aka becomes a true Christian), that amazing relationship is eternal (e.g. it does not end when the human physical vessels are no more). When a human is committed to a life separate from God, a selfish/unhealthy relationship with God (e.g. on their worldly divisive terms), or a relationship with what they want God to be (e.g. not the true God that's Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), they will logically likely be eternally separated from God. As Frank shared, true Christians don't demonize humans that are currently non-believers. True Christians have humility, curiosity, are grateful, and strive to start and grow genuine relationships with other humans that naturally lead a collective growing relationship with God.
I am notice that last part: Meditiate on Jesus and loves what is good and true. That is true, In other situation, sometimes we make mistakes and sins, then someone warn us, they try to "warn" us that what are we do is sin, that is good one. But also many time some ppl try to slam at us because they think they know God better than us.
Eventually, the human's spiritual body going to the new heaven/earth (eternal unity with God and others) or hell (eternal separation from God and others) is a logical result based on the human's heart (including those that have not been exposed to Him before their physical vessel was no more).
@@grrinc Absolutely! Eternal destiny of a human is "logical result based on the human heart"...meaning a human's heart (their core attitudes, desires, and openness to God) naturally aligns with either unity with God or separation from Him. In Jesus's Sermon on the Mount, he shares the beatitudes (e.g. attitudes of the heart that lead to blessings and connection with God)...here's a few: humble, purity, and yearning for righteousness (which is the opposite of wicked). These reflect the kind of "heart" God desires...one that will naturally acknowledge Him (when eventually exposed to Him), seeks truth, and lives in love and humility. Conversely, a heart closed to these virtues would logically lead to separation from God. Later, Paul shares (in his letter to the church in Rome) how those who haven’t heard of Jesus will have their eternal existence determined based on the law written on their hearts. In other words...God is aware of how individuals respond to the moral awareness and conscience He has placed within them, regardless of exposure to explicit knowledge of Christ. Therefore, someone’s eternal destiny isn’t arbitrary but flows logically from how they respond to God’s revelations...whether through creation, conscience, or Christ Himself. Choosing to align one’s heart with love, humility, and God’s guidance leads to unity with Him in the new heaven and earth. It’s a continuation of that relationship. Conversely, rejecting God (whether through pride, selfishness, or willful rebellion) leads to eternal separation. This is not because God “sends” anyone to hell but because they choose a trajectory away from Him, and He honors that choice. Think of a relationship. If someone spends their life refusing to know or connect with a person, it wouldn’t make sense for them to suddenly desire eternal unity with that person. Similarly, a heart resistant to God would logically not be compatible with His eternal presence. Lastly, currently humans on Earth are in their first phase of existence. There is a second phase before the final/forever phase. It seems definitive there's opportunity to be exposed to God in the second phase if not able to in the first phase. Hope that helps.
He gave mankind a free-will to decide between the 2 choices of what to do with the Free Gift, at the asking, that is provided through Jesus The Christ. Accept the Gift for Eternal Life with Him and all His Attributes. Love, Joy, Peace, Comfort, No Pain, No Suffering, No Lack, No Loneliness, No Fear, No Tears, No Evil... Heaven. or Reject the Gift for an Eternity Separated from Him in a place without His attributes. A place of No Love, No Joy, No Peace, No Comfort, Pain, Suffering, Lack, Loneliness, Fear, Tears, Evil Continuously... The Second Death. Eternal Torment. Hell. Amen✝️🕊️
Free will between 2 choices is not a free expresion of your will. Imagine someone puts a gun to your head and says "you either choose to give me your money or you choose to get a bullet". Whichever choice you decide to take they were both imposed on you. If I dont want eternal life at all, wether its with or without God, I cant have that. God is forcing me to choose something out of 2 choices and that is the opposite of free. I dont want eternal life at all and that is what my will desires but I cant have that because God is 'puting a gun to my head'.
@sick_ibg712 When your soul leaves that temporal house you currently inhabit you will face one of two places to go over your life while here on Earth. The Judgement Seat of Christ or The Great White Throne Judgement. Your Eternal location will be Heaven or Hell. The location is COMPLETELY on your current free-will decision. Amen✝️🕊️
@@user-br3ou2cs9o If the location of where I end up is completely up to me then why is there only two choices, if two choices are all that there is then the choice is not COMPLETELY up to me. I dont want to choose between only 2 things, that is not freewill.
@@sick_ibg712 We're not talking about Baskin Robbins. We're not talking about which streaming service and program to binge watch. Eternal Life or Eternal Death are The 2 ETERNITY choices. If you say you will not decide between those 2 choices you HAVE made your decision which is to REJECT The Gift of Eternal Life and the consequence of that decision to reject is COMPLETELY, TOTALLY, ALL upon YOU.
God holds off the the rapture because he wants more non-believers to be saved... We get punished more than non-believers and they think they got it worse... Just wake up and realize Jesus loves you already
Doesn't God know everything? Even the future? Then he'd know which non believers will become Christians someday, then he does not have to wait for them, he could release the rapture right now and take them.
Why doesn't he just come and introduce himself to us non-believers then instead of leaving people like Frank Turek to make unsubstantiated claims and fallacious arguments to try to convince that this God actually exists? Surely that would be the most effective way.
As God is outside of time, He sets appointed times for events that, from His perspective, are in eternity past. I realize that's hard to understand. How can finite humans understand an infinite God? We can't. That's why it's called "living by faith". He wants us to trust Him. Events are not as important to Him as personal relationship with each of us is. No matter what, God is always good! ☺️🤗
@philb4462 There is a story in the Bible about how thousands of people followed Jesus wherever He went after He turned 5 loaves and 2 fish into enough food to feed thousands. Many of these people truly believed in Him and were "hungry" for more of whatever He said and that's why they followed Him. But likewise, many of these people followed Him only to see more "signs" and "wonders" and of course, for their next "earthly" meal. They weren't really fixated on the things He said, they only wanted to follow Him to see what else he could do. Yes, Jesus "could" appear to us all proving His existence is real, and that it's just not another fairytale like "Sleeping Beauty." He could write in gigantic letters across the whole sky in neon orange "I AM JESUS, AND I AM REAL, BELIEVE IN ME!" < or something like that. But He wants people who will follow Him who are really truly interested in what He says and in what He offers - life eternal free from all sin - the gift of salvation to any and ALL who will believe on His name. He isn't going to force anyone to follow Him though. We all have a choice of whether we are going to truly follow Him or not. I hope that helps you understand, at least a little bit. If Jesus appeared in person for the whole world to see... probably everyone would follow Him. They'd be like "Wow!" "It IS true!" But how many of those billions of people would be following Him for the words He would say and be interested in learning all they could and would want to hear more and more and more? And how many of those billions of people just want Him to perform another trick, and would sooner or later decide they'd seen better circus tricks elsewhere and say "see ya later, been nice and all, but no thank you?" So see... Jesus is real. But He will only be a part of our lives if WE choose Him. If you feel convicted at all, a little niggling in your heart and find yourself wondering, that very well could be Jesus getting your attention. Blessings to you. 🙏
@@philb4462because God gave us free will and respect our choices. Ask, and you will receive; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. Matthew 7:7
Both are lost & both hell bound. But you're right about one thing it's worse for those who know the truth & reject it than for those who have never heard the gospel.
This will always be a big problem and confuses and separates people from God. The God of the Bible has nothing to do with religions, God did not create religions, God created rules, commandments and laws for His people. .
One of those commands was to be in community...a community that follows the teachings of the Bible does more good as a whole than one lone ranger who loves the Lord. It's up to us to study God's word and know when we are in a community that pollutes the word of God. Christianity is not a religion...it's a relationship based on knowing Jesus and following His example left to us in the Bible.
Proverbs 6:16-19 "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." I don't think the Bible does says that God blindly loves everybody. John 3:16 say God loved the world but that does not necessarily mean everything and everyone in it, does it? God has agency, he has his own mind about things. God has preferences. 1 John 4:8 says that God is love, well of course he is. God is the author of love, he created all that in the universe. This includes the very idea of love, the possibility for love at all. But to say that God loves everyone absolutely contradicts other verses in the Bible. This is a difficult conversation to have. You don't want to say to a nonbeliever that God hates sinners, that may scare them away or make them resentful. But we also shouldn't sell people a false gospel. God is love but he is also righteous wrath. This truth is why many Christian struggle to satisfy atheists when they bring up all the slaughter from the Old Testament. How can God be love when he is having the Israelites wipe-out entire groups of people? The answer is that God's anger, his wrath is justified because all the people on earth are evil. God has every right to destroy the wicked and perverted. Humans do the same thing. ff someone is completely awful they are put to death, just look at the Nazis. Nobody has any sympathy for them, they all needed to die. Am I right or am I wrong? Were we not justified in putting down the Nazis? Was God wrong to cause the great flood? Does the creator have the right to deal with his creation as he sees fit? I believe this makes the fact that Jesus died for us all the more wonderful. Even though we were as bad a the Nazis are to us in God's eyes, he still sacrificed of himself for our sake. Truly our God is amazing, his mercy is boundless, his love is endless. But that love is not for those how go hell, is it? If God loved the sinner in hell, would he not free him from his torment? I don't know, this is just what I have gathered from reading the Bible and listening to all sorts of Christians. I have listened to Catholics, Orthodox, Baptists, Calvinists, Provisionists, all kinds of UA-cam apologists. In the end only the children of God can truly understand his Word- John 8:47. All the glory is to God. He is either glorified by his mercy or by his righteous wrath.
I'm retired at 47. went from Grass to Grace. This video here reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, honest wife, $75K biweekly and a good daughter full of love God bless America🇺🇲❤️
Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US amd abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
We need to unpack 'forgive sin'. Today this slips into a moralistic corrective, where as what we are doing is being reborn into a spirit-filled life in communion with our creator and God. We are finally connected to who we really are and our life has an integration point about the grounding absolute being of all eternity. No longer do we self-conceive, even implicitly, as a bunch of accidental cells or molecules that will reduce back to dust in a short time; just a form of dirt, really, but as a living embodied spirit in the image of God.
While for sure there are many hypocritical Christians that play Christ poorly, I think many unbelievers use this 'sense' of moral superiority to excuse themselves from opening themselves up to Christ. Sometimes the people they say are judgmental or acting superior is a manifestation of their own feelings of inadequacy. The same inadequacy we all have. But it's uncomfortable to them, and seeing others trying to serve God, even when they are doing a pretty decent job, feels like a judgement in itself. I brought my unbelieving daughter to church once or twice and everyone was nothing but welcoming and kind and genuine to her. She still insists she'll never go again because the atmosphere is 'too judgmental'.
Although I support Turek's position it is good to take in our minds, that there is difference between "I don't like what you are wearing" or "You are wearing too revealing clothes which is unacceptable in church as you tempt others into sin". If you spit on all the things, what Bible values, then there is question - what you do in church? Why this women wants to be in church if she don't believe in God? She is like an "old leaven" in 1 Cor 5. These kind of evil doers and false teachers who lead "little ones" astray. Of course I don't know the real situation in this case, but this can be a possibility. We need to protect Church. We already see what happens with "progressive" churches, when they let that kind of people take over church processes... So be kind and inclusive to everyone who seeks God's Kingdom, but at the same time be careful on false teachings and expell anyone who continually sins and don't even want to repent and so lead others astray. Do with those as Matthew 18 teaches - talk in person first, then call someone else, then talk with church leaders... If he still don't want to repent, then he needs to be expelled.
People don't leave the church because of people outside the church.. they leave the church because of how they are treated inside the church. I was a member of a church for over a decade, and I had many struggles. I tried to go to the elders and they flat out told me they would revoke my membership unless I stopped bringing these things up. When I was being abused, I told one of the elders that I was being abused, I still have the message proving I said it. He wanted to get together to talk about it. And when I told him in person he told me to stop playing the victim. He just wanted to meet in person, so there wasn't evidence of what he told me. This isn't just a one time thing. It happened quite a few times by multiple people, across several churches. Needless to say, I'll never attend another service. It's easy to silence me, or to call me a liar or heretic.. it's not so easy to accept the truth. Just curious how much God is honored by that?
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25:31 Actually we all are destined to an eternal life....the guy in the second comment says he thinks eternal life would be boring...I agree eternal separation from God in a place where there is nothing to restrain evil...not sure I'd call it boring but eternal boredom sounds like hell. On the other hand eternity with someone I feel is my best friend and having all eternity to explore things we don't even know about...yeah I will not be bored for even one second. Plus there's the fact we won't be experiencing time as we do here.
@PP_Derrick Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. You can't wail and gnash teeth if you cease to exist. I'll listen to Jesus's words and not yours.
Romans 5 Christ in Our Place 6 For when we were still without strength, [d]in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
To all atheist we are not better than you. We are just sharing the gospel because we are afraid your soul will burn for an eternity and we don't want that for you. We do love you. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
@thorpeaaron1110 no. I believe in GOD because he has shown me through the complete changing of my life he is real. I want to be with him wherever he is and he gave me that gift when he saved me
I've put my trust in Christ because God has promised to rid evil from the world and me. There is no final justice and peace without God. It is clear that man is incapable of resolving evil on it's own because we all have evil within our hearts.
Many people who disbelieve in jesus often lead devout pious lives and follow very strict and demanding religious practices with regards to worship, diet, clothing and relationships. Yet these people according to Christian narratives disbelieve in jesus because they *"want to sin"* 🤔🤫 Some live lives of isolation and quiet contemplation taking vows of celibacy and silence but the loving jesus still deems these people unworthy of anything other than eternal torment. Conversely however a murderer so long as he truly repents and accepts Jesus on his death bed he can spend an eternity in paradise with those he murdered. Unless of course those people also found the "evidence" for your God unconvincing, in which case the murderer would be looking down from paradise on the people he killed as they too suffered for eternity with atheists like me 😡
That negative thinking going through her head came from the evil one. He whispers garbage in people's ears all the time. Say Yes to relationship with Jesus because He wants to talk with you. That's what relationship is.
To be a Christian comes about by the affectionate call of the Holy Spirit. He chooses you. Jesus came down from heaven, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died a substantionary death on the cross for those that were His. He chooses whom He will save. So the question is not for us to answer.He exist outside of the constraints of time. Meaning we don’t know if in the future He will choose to save you. You don’t even know but he does. We are saved by grace, through faith it is a free gift from God. None of us earned it or deserve it. It’s only His work and He deserves all the glory for it.
Not all church hurt is the fault of the church. Of course we need to be patient and loving to all especially those who don't know the Lord. But Paul also gave instructions to those who were wilfully walking in sin. A little leaven leavens the whole lot. These days churches can be pharasies or they can just allow all kinds of sin. We need Balance
All unbelieving humans are "Lost Sheep" Matthew 18:12 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains, and go and search for the one that is lost?
@@sick_ibg712 There are no slaves, and no property in heaven, only brothers, sisters, best friends, loved children, all things that bring joy, and God as your eternal companion more intimate and loving than any married couple has ever been. It is going to be better than any imagined utopia the observable universe can contain, and it's all a free gift. I'm guessing you reject that, and sadly you will get what you want if that continues to be your posistion. That choice has consequences that are far worse than any of us can possibly imagine. Since all good comes from God, if you reject it, all that you will have left is evil. No light, no love, no joy, no peace, no contentment, no friends, no contact other than abuse and torment. Nothing positive at all and that is how you will suffer alone forever by your own choice. Even your sense of "I was right" will be taken from you. In Every Hellish Near Death Experience (NDE) I have heard about, the person understands fully that they deserve what they receiving. The best moment on earth is a weak reflection of all the wonderous moments of eternity in heaven, and the worst moment on earth is better than the best moment in hell without God. I'm so sorry for you.
A Christian if honest, does not believe that they are better than non-Christians. They may be a better person based on comparing their actions to those other persons, just as they can be a worse person if they use their faith as a crutch and act spitefully towards others. Christians just desire to live closer to the truth by accepting Christ as Lord and Savior.
Absolutely that salvation is not about wearing the label of 'Christian' as an identity. Salvation is a natural result of being a true Christian, which is having a genuine and growing relationship with God/Yahuah together via the Holy Spirit empowered spiritual connection to God the Father through Jesus. John 14:6: Jesus said, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'
MANY are "Christian" by name ONLY. Father gave me a waking vision of in the clouds, HE let me see how FEW have a relationship with Jesus. In the clouds it looked big enough for hundreds maybe thousands and that includes the dead in Christ.
No God love all but to spend eternity with Him you must accept JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR. THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH THE SON . IT IS WRITTEN. AMEN.
"... will not perish, but have eternal life" If those who don't love Jesus have eternal life too, doesn't that contradict this verse, and the many like it?
Eternal life in John 3:16 refers to an everlasting, joyful relationship with God through genuine and growing relationship with God while on Earth. Those who reject God do face an eternal existence, but the Bible calls this 'perishing' or eternal separation from God, not eternal life. The two outcomes are fundamentally different in quality and experience. God's promise in John 3:16 is an invitation to choose eternal life over the alternative.
@mlwilliams4407 I suppose that's the only way is to make the assumption that it means quality of life not actually what all the verses say 👍. That's perhaps presumptious, but I get that the only way to make it make sense.
@@unbelievablepancake Spiritual beings are energy. No spiritual beings ever cease to exist (e.g. angels, human's spiritual body, etc), but they can be transferred/transformed. Physical beings (e.g. human's physical body) is a temporary vessel that, if not abruptly made no longer a vessel, becomes more capable and then less capable over time until it expires. So of course perish, death, etc for the physical body is different than for the spiritual body. Logically, when a being is living a superior life (with humility, curiosity, gratefulness, love, logic, compassion in unity with all of existence and its/our Creator), it is of higher quality with superior results (e.g. eventually eternal life united with God together vice eternally separated from God and each other). Hope that helps.
@mlwilliams4407 thanks ☺️ This is true. The only challenge I see theologically is that like Christ, our physical bodies will also experience ressuection, then experience the judgement (separation of the sheep and goats). The majority of verses talk about the permanent destruction/perishing of the wicked. I only find one verse that hints at life and death is actually about quality of life. John 3:16; 10:28, Romans 6:23, Galatians 6:8, 2 Peter 2:6. Matthew 10:28, Psalm 37:38 - these are just some that talk about the wicked being destroyed like Sodom and Gomorah (1Peter 2:6). Was Sodom and Gomorah just a quality of life parable, and not actually destroyed forever in a physical sense? We all die physically. That's not something reserved for the wicked. I'm still struggling with what I read in scripture vs what church has taught historically.
@@unbelievablepancake Absolutely! Yes, a human is a 3-in-1 being with a physical body (in natural realm), a spiritual body (in spiritual realm), and a soul (bridge between the natural and spiritual realm aka consciousness). When a human dies, their physical body is no more and their soul/spirit (energy) is either transferred/transformed and alive/kinetic in paradise in the 3rd heaven, or asleep/potential in Hades/Sheol. When the new heaven/earth and hell eventually replace the current heavens/earth, a human's soul is either redeemed and spirit united with God and others eternally, or the human's soul is destroyed and spirit separated from God and others eternally. Right, both the "sheep and goats" separation in Matthew 25:31-46 and the description of the final judgment in Revelation 20:11-15 confirm that the wicked will face the "destruction" described above while the righteous enter eternal life. - While everyone dies physically (Hebrews 9:27), scriptures like Romans 6:23 contrast eternal life with the "wages of sin," which is death. This second death refers not to the annihilation of existence but to separation from God (Revelation 21:8). - Verses like 2 Peter 2:6 (regarding Sodom and Gomorrah) are often misinterpreted as annihilationism (e.g. the wicked are completely destroyed and cease to exist after judgment). Jude 1:7 clarifies that Sodom serves as an example of "eternal fire," showing ongoing consequences rather than simple physical destruction. - Passages like Matthew 25:46 distinguish "eternal punishment" from "eternal life," not implying annihilation, but a sustained, conscious separation from God's presence (2 Thessalonians 1:9). John 10:10 promises "life to the full," showing a higher quality of life tied to the eternal union with God. However, eternal life in Scripture primarily refers to both a relationship with God in the present and a future promise of immortality with Him. John 3:16 and Romans 6:23 emphasize a stark choice: eternal life or perishing (a loss of relationship and existence with God). The "quality of life" interpretation complements but does not negate these eternal distinctions. Hope this helps...and yes, there's tons of opportunity for humans (including Christians) to have completely open hearts to let God and His Truth freely flow in.
Imagine living in a world with zero bad things of any sort. that's heaven. Imagine living in a world with zero good things, that's hell. imagine living in a world with good and bad things, that's where we are now. which do you prefer?
I dont know her situation but i have friends that felt the church was "holier than thou" and judgemental. Turns out they were wanting to stay in their sin and feeling guilted by the church living by Gods standard. Theres plenty of Pharisees out there. But do a little self reflection to see if the reason is your life of sin. Always look inward as well.
yeah there's a lot in her comment, possible sitting around "weaker" Christians. Yes there are commands in the bible for like men not to have long hair (1 cor 11), or women to dress modesly (1tim 2), but God never says how long is too long or how modest is modest enough. Why? Because it's based on your relationship with God. Rely on him to tell you how long is too long. It's about relationship with the Father and the Son, not religion.
It won't let me comment I don't have a section so I'm jumping on your friend... God punishes the Christians because he wants everybody to be saved so we have to wait until a few more people get saved that are non-believers would that not make them special in their own way?
@@oreally8605 So can you right now just chose to believe something you dont and really believe it? I do not seem to be able to do that, I am either convinced or I am not and only new evidence and reasoning can change it by convincing me of something else.
No believing is not a choice which is why faith in Jesus isn't belief only, it is putting your faith IN Him, and being faithful TO Him, not just mentally agreeing that 'He is the Son of God'. While you DO need to believe that, it is not the only thing. As Scripture says, even the demons believe and shudder. So what are you supposed to do to get yourself to believe? It is to pray to God and ask HIM to reveal Himself to you and help YOU to believe. That's all that God is asking. As Jesus says in Matthew 7:7-8: “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." This is literally a promise from God right there, if you seek Him, He will show you. Similar to the promise in James 4:7 which says: "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
Adam was created in God’s image, but when sin was committed, that image was taken away from him and his successors therefore we were created in Adam’s image. Only when we are born again restore God’s Image in us. My source is “Body, Soul, and Spirit” by Dr. Peter S. Ruckman. I am not saying that I am right about my sources for I, too, am still learning.
Yes we are to share our faith, yes we are to talk about heaven and hell, and yes we should defend our faith; but with compassion. To many of you fellow christians talking about nonbelievers harden their hearts, they’re hardening their hearts because you are causing them to. So more than just words, let’s evangelize with our behavior, watch our words and quit playing Judge condemning. If we love nonbelievers and want them to be saved and receive Christ, returning mockery for mockery or returning insults for insult will take us nowhere. Just because they are nonbelievers, you think you’re better than them? Well I got news for you, you’re not.
The unbeliever will not spend eternity apart from God (Psalm 139:8). It is the presence of God (with them still in their sin) that will bring about their destruction (Isaiah 6:5), over and over for all eternity. God is an all consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29). Think Moses in Exodus 33 with God passing by, but without the protection, but in eternity, one will be destroyed over and over again without ever perishing. And that's not even the half of it, being eaten by worms, in complete darkness, possibly in constant freefall, all alone... If you love them, you'll tell them that they must have a relationship with BOTH the father and the son for salvation (John 17:3).
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That "Thank you" at the end was so genuine.
The only person in my life that blamed someone at church for holding them back that I actually believe might want to be saved.
She was literally beaming at the end....!
The Lord was working in her heart through the truth she heard and she got it, keep your eyes on Jesus not on those people who say they are Christians but act like the Devil and look down on others who are not like them.
What a great explanation, that young lady is truly trying to find the truth. She seemed so happy with your explanation almost like you took down that last barrier. I learn so much from you. Many blessing to you Frank!
Very well put, Frank. This caused me to fall away from God when I was a teenager. It took over 20 years to see the truth, that man is fallible, and we need to keep our eyes on Him.
This lady really lights up after Frank's explanation. Thank you for your work.
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The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone”
But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god.
He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men.
The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning.
So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan.
Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
May God bless this young lady. A lot of us have been where she's at 🙏🙏🙏
No one is better you're just better off having a relationship with God than not
Are you asserting that you have a personal relationship with this 'God'?
@@Theo_Skeptomai That's the whole point, John 17:3: "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
@@sauliruottu5871 Was that a "yes" or a "no"?
@@TheoSkeptomai I'll spell it for you: Y-e-s
@@sauliruottu5871 That's how you answer DIRECTLY. Try doing that the _first time_ next time.
My personal relationships 1) involve REAL entities (persons); 2) occur at a REAL and particular location and time; 3) with REAL interactions that are observable; 4) are experienced within a REAL medium of communication (voice, body language, gesture, touch, affection); with a REAL initiation (phone call, invitation, visitation); 5) and REAL response (affirmation, disagreement, correction, encouragement).
Does a Christian's personal relationship with this Christ exhibit ANY of these characteristic features? Yes or no.
A lot of people forget about the most important aspect of Christianity; Love
Minus that hell thing.
@DM-dk7js Christianity isn't about Hell though. Hell is a choice for people who don't want to be with God or Christ. If you don't Iike God. Why should He force you to be with Him. Also "Hell" is not a straightforward concept on scripture. Often times "Hell" in scripture is just a cultural relevant word. Like Jesus said "Hades" not Hell, but I am not sure He actually meant there was a Hell. The bible does mention a lake of fire but I believe that comes much later personally.
Frank we love you my brother! You are on point. You is a great teacher. Jesus is Lord!💯❤️🙌
Jesus is Lord! Amen
Her "thank you" was filled with hope and so wonderful to see!
Be encouraged and seek the Lord young lady, everything you are seeking is Found in Jesus Christ!
Many of us can relate to your experience and with a tender heart. Jesus is your treasure, He is your inheritance.
A must share!!! I pray🙏🏾this goes viral! God bless Dr. Turek and his ministry ✝️🕊️
God bless you as well!
The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone”
But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god.
He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men.
The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning.
So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan.
Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
That was a mighty fine reply Mr Frank. Mighty fine indeed. Thanks mate. MARANATHA 🙏🏻
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This was very beautiful a good point how we sometimes think we’re all that, but we’re not yes we are made in the image of God and we are his creation so we coming to Sunship when we are saved by grace we are nothing without him, but we are someone operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. That way we can love you in Jesus name.😊
God bless her! ❤
I love you Brother Frank.
Shalom
I've never heard these points explained any better. Thank you for everything you do, Dr. Turek. You're helping people more than you probably know.
Her "thank you" was filled with hope and so wonderful to see!
Be encouraged and seek the Lord young lady, everything you are seeking is Found in Jesus Christ!
Many of us can relate to your experience and with a tender heart we understand from also being hurt by those not loving like Christ.
But Jesus is your treasure, He is your inheritance. He is worth everything.
We as Christians don't believe we r better than you ! The opposite we know we need Jesus because we need his help in our lives! May the Lord bless you n keep you! Praise the Lord!
This is so good. I want to remember this so that I can use this answer to help someone who may have this same type of question.
Help someone to _what?_
I have an answer from the Bible.
The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone”
But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god.
He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men.
The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning.
So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan.
Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
I learned something about myself in this video that I don't like very much. Thank you Frank for that brilliant explanation....
Praise our Lord Jesus Christ!
I feel like she’s really looking for the truth. We need to pray for her
Amen! Same! 🙏
How does praying for her change anything?
All atheists are looking for truth, and seeking God, but today will deny it
@@Nenad-ICXC-Shuput-GFAMMA And all Christians are seeking Odin, but today will deny it.
@albaraka7519 🤣👍🏻🤦🏻
Praise God for Dr Turek!
Thank you CrossExamined.
God bless you brother.
Shalom
@canigetachannel
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
Bless you, brother Gil! Was looking for your comment 😄
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God bless you brother David... Thank you for finding me. I always appreciate your comment.👍👍👍
@@gi169 Likewise, my brother!! 😎
This was so beautiful. Praise God!
Reading the title broke my heart bro
That may have been the best way to explain Jesus I've ever heard Amen
God bless her heart.
I'm glad that she had a clarification to her questions. Now it's up to her to surrender herself to the risen Christ that Frank preaches with conviction.
Does preaching something with conviction mean what is preached is necessarily trur and factual?
The Bible has a different take on this.
The young dame: 1:41: Somebody that's against I guess religion is not any less valuable than a Christian. Frank: 1:42: “No they're just as valuable in God's eyes as anyone”
But of course, all humans are valuable in the eyes of god.
He needs some people to be his servants for eternity if you are not one of the 144,000 virgin men.
The others he needs and value as fuel to keep his fires in hell burning.
So yes, we all are valuable and have a part to play in the fictional god's plan.
Young lady it is not clear if you have any chance to go to heaven. It seems to only be men-servants like the 144,000 are only men.
He that knows not love knows not God for God is love.
Beautifully asked, and beautifully answered! I needed that.
I love the Beethoven analogy.
I borrowed it the other day in a posting exchange I was having with someone. I think it clicked and helped to shift their perspective. Hoping so anyway. I’m going to continue to borrow it- thank you lol!
Great word
I'm gonna pray for her,❤
She’ll get it…she’s on her way.
Always give great answers. Jesus bless you.
Atheists and skeptics, I know it sometimes can be contentious chatting with us, but we really do love you and we don't think we are better than you. But there is such a thing as absolute truth and The Lord Jesus Christ is the absolute truth - God manifest in the flesh and Savior of the world. We will never compromise this.
Edit... Ok I see alot of demands for evidence. We all know there is an entire body of evidence to be considered. What you are really demanding is proof. If you really want the truth and have read the Bible, you should know that you do not get to demand things on your terms. God knows your heart and your motives and will not reveal Himself to you unless you demonstrate some humility and contrition.
Appreciate that, and same to you my friend. I am happy to accept any and all supernatural claims. I just need proof.
The trouble is that people who believe what you believe never come up with any evidence for it. I'm very happy to have hours of respectful discourse about Christian claims, but please could somebody actually come up with some evidence? (And in case you were going to suggest watching Frank Turek, he really doesn't have any either.)
Well said Jerry. To even become a born again Christian means we must accept that fact first.
Actually, I *DO KNOW* that I *AM* better than anti-theists/New-Atheists. It's simply NOT POSSIBLE for it to be otherwise. 😏
@@philb4462 We don't need to. It's near-LITERALLY right at your fingertips. And, no; you're here to PROPAGANDIZE AGAINST any evidence that's presented to you. 😏
Amen!❤
I like your piano example
That was beautiful!!
Amen
I love Frank
Bravo.
Wow, that was beautiful!
I believe in slightly conflicting thoughts while accepting and acceptance important we must remember not to judge one another and that God is good and Jesus went to his enemies.. not the people.. but the enemy in the deeds of man which we all do onto one another.. have a blessed day stay humbling.
pray for her
This is one of the most valuable four minute videos on UA-cam.
God loves all humans and all humans are made in God's image, are valuable, and will eternally exist.
When a human starts and grows a genuine relationship with God together (aka becomes a true Christian), that amazing relationship is eternal (e.g. it does not end when the human physical vessels are no more).
When a human is committed to a life separate from God, a selfish/unhealthy relationship with God (e.g. on their worldly divisive terms), or a relationship with what they want God to be (e.g. not the true God that's Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), they will logically likely be eternally separated from God.
As Frank shared, true Christians don't demonize humans that are currently non-believers. True Christians have humility, curiosity, are grateful, and strive to start and grow genuine relationships with other humans that naturally lead a collective growing relationship with God.
I am notice that last part: Meditiate on Jesus and loves what is good and true. That is true, In other situation, sometimes we make mistakes and sins, then someone warn us, they try to "warn" us that what are we do is sin, that is good one. But also many time some ppl try to slam at us because they think they know God better than us.
Self-righteous "church-ianity" is a hindrance to the gospel and the opposite of what we are called to. It matters how we live, love, and treat others.
Excellent
God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Amen!
Why would God create a separate ‘club’ for those who were fortunate to have been exposed to him?
Eventually, the human's spiritual body going to the new heaven/earth (eternal unity with God and others) or hell (eternal separation from God and others) is a logical result based on the human's heart (including those that have not been exposed to Him before their physical vessel was no more).
@ can you explain ‘logical result based on the human heart’ please?
@@grrinc Absolutely! Eternal destiny of a human is "logical result based on the human heart"...meaning a human's heart (their core attitudes, desires, and openness to God) naturally aligns with either unity with God or separation from Him.
In Jesus's Sermon on the Mount, he shares the beatitudes (e.g. attitudes of the heart that lead to blessings and connection with God)...here's a few: humble, purity, and yearning for righteousness (which is the opposite of wicked). These reflect the kind of "heart" God desires...one that will naturally acknowledge Him (when eventually exposed to Him), seeks truth, and lives in love and humility. Conversely, a heart closed to these virtues would logically lead to separation from God.
Later, Paul shares (in his letter to the church in Rome) how those who haven’t heard of Jesus will have their eternal existence determined based on the law written on their hearts. In other words...God is aware of how individuals respond to the moral awareness and conscience He has placed within them, regardless of exposure to explicit knowledge of Christ. Therefore, someone’s eternal destiny isn’t arbitrary but flows logically from how they respond to God’s revelations...whether through creation, conscience, or Christ Himself.
Choosing to align one’s heart with love, humility, and God’s guidance leads to unity with Him in the new heaven and earth. It’s a continuation of that relationship.
Conversely, rejecting God (whether through pride, selfishness, or willful rebellion) leads to eternal separation. This is not because God “sends” anyone to hell but because they choose a trajectory away from Him, and He honors that choice.
Think of a relationship. If someone spends their life refusing to know or connect with a person, it wouldn’t make sense for them to suddenly desire eternal unity with that person. Similarly, a heart resistant to God would logically not be compatible with His eternal presence.
Lastly, currently humans on Earth are in their first phase of existence. There is a second phase before the final/forever phase. It seems definitive there's opportunity to be exposed to God in the second phase if not able to in the first phase.
Hope that helps.
He gave mankind a free-will to decide between the 2 choices of what to do with the Free Gift, at the asking, that is provided through Jesus The Christ.
Accept the Gift for Eternal Life with Him and all His Attributes. Love, Joy, Peace, Comfort, No Pain, No Suffering, No Lack, No Loneliness, No Fear, No Tears, No Evil... Heaven.
or
Reject the Gift for an Eternity Separated from Him in a place without His attributes. A place of No Love, No Joy, No Peace, No Comfort, Pain, Suffering, Lack, Loneliness, Fear, Tears, Evil Continuously... The Second Death. Eternal Torment. Hell.
Amen✝️🕊️
Free will between 2 choices is not a free expresion of your will. Imagine someone puts a gun to your head and says "you either choose to give me your money or you choose to get a bullet". Whichever choice you decide to take they were both imposed on you. If I dont want eternal life at all, wether its with or without God, I cant have that. God is forcing me to choose something out of 2 choices and that is the opposite of free. I dont want eternal life at all and that is what my will desires but I cant have that because God is 'puting a gun to my head'.
@sick_ibg712
When your soul leaves that temporal house you currently inhabit you will face one of two places to go over your life while here on Earth. The Judgement Seat of Christ or The Great White Throne Judgement. Your Eternal location will be Heaven or Hell. The location is COMPLETELY on your current free-will decision.
Amen✝️🕊️
@@user-br3ou2cs9o If the location of where I end up is completely up to me then why is there only two choices, if two choices are all that there is then the choice is not COMPLETELY up to me. I dont want to choose between only 2 things, that is not freewill.
@@sick_ibg712
We're not talking about Baskin Robbins. We're not talking about which streaming service and program to binge watch.
Eternal Life or Eternal Death are The 2 ETERNITY choices.
If you say you will not decide between those 2 choices you HAVE made your decision which is to REJECT The Gift of Eternal Life and the consequence of that decision to reject is COMPLETELY, TOTALLY, ALL upon YOU.
@@user-br3ou2cs9o And you showed a god to exist... how?
God holds off the the rapture because he wants more non-believers to be saved... We get punished more than non-believers and they think they got it worse... Just wake up and realize Jesus loves you already
Doesn't God know everything? Even the future? Then he'd know which non believers will become Christians someday, then he does not have to wait for them, he could release the rapture right now and take them.
Why doesn't he just come and introduce himself to us non-believers then instead of leaving people like Frank Turek to make unsubstantiated claims and fallacious arguments to try to convince that this God actually exists? Surely that would be the most effective way.
As God is outside of time, He sets appointed times for events that, from His perspective, are in eternity past. I realize that's hard to understand. How can finite humans understand an infinite God? We can't. That's why it's called "living by faith". He wants us to trust Him. Events are not as important to Him as personal relationship with each of us is. No matter what, God is always good! ☺️🤗
@philb4462 There is a story in the Bible about how thousands of people followed Jesus wherever He went after He turned 5 loaves and 2 fish into enough food to feed thousands. Many of these people truly believed in Him and were "hungry" for more of whatever He said and that's why they followed Him. But likewise, many of these people followed Him only to see more "signs" and "wonders" and of course, for their next "earthly" meal. They weren't really fixated on the things He said, they only wanted to follow Him to see what else he could do. Yes, Jesus "could" appear to us all proving His existence is real, and that it's just not another fairytale like "Sleeping Beauty." He could write in gigantic letters across the whole sky in neon orange "I AM JESUS, AND I AM REAL, BELIEVE IN ME!" < or something like that. But He wants people who will follow Him who are really truly interested in what He says and in what He offers - life eternal free from all sin - the gift of salvation to any and ALL who will believe on His name. He isn't going to force anyone to follow Him though. We all have a choice of whether we are going to truly follow Him or not. I hope that helps you understand, at least a little bit. If Jesus appeared in person for the whole world to see... probably everyone would follow Him. They'd be like "Wow!" "It IS true!" But how many of those billions of people would be following Him for the words He would say and be interested in learning all they could and would want to hear more and more and more? And how many of those billions of people just want Him to perform another trick, and would sooner or later decide they'd seen better circus tricks elsewhere and say "see ya later, been nice and all, but no thank you?" So see... Jesus is real. But He will only be a part of our lives if WE choose Him. If you feel convicted at all, a little niggling in your heart and find yourself wondering, that very well could be Jesus getting your attention. Blessings to you. 🙏
@@philb4462because God gave us free will and respect our choices.
Ask, and you will receive; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you.
Matthew 7:7
God chooses an honest, sincere atheist over a fake christian.
"An honest, sincere atheist" 😂....
That's the funniest comment I've seen in quite some time.
Love that sense of humor 👍
Both are lost & both hell bound. But you're right about one thing it's worse for those who know the truth & reject it than for those who have never heard the gospel.
The ops statement is completely false. You omitted the fact this is about the exchange at the cross.
Would you accept as a friend someone who wanted nothing to do with you, who honestly and sincerely gave you the finger?
Do not cast pearls at swine. Ignore trolls
Is Wizpig here? Pigma? Bebop?
Love and pray for them even if they are your enemy. But do move on
Ok, who are these strange people commenting in a different direction?
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
This will always be a big problem and confuses and separates people from God. The God of the Bible has nothing to do with religions, God did not create religions, God created rules, commandments and laws for His people. .
One of those commands was to be in community...a community that follows the teachings of the Bible does more good as a whole than one lone ranger who loves the Lord. It's up to us to study God's word and know when we are in a community that pollutes the word of God. Christianity is not a religion...it's a relationship based on knowing Jesus and following His example left to us in the Bible.
Proverbs 6:16-19 "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." I don't think the Bible does says that God blindly loves everybody. John 3:16 say God loved the world but that does not necessarily mean everything and everyone in it, does it? God has agency, he has his own mind about things. God has preferences. 1 John 4:8 says that God is love, well of course he is. God is the author of love, he created all that in the universe. This includes the very idea of love, the possibility for love at all. But to say that God loves everyone absolutely contradicts other verses in the Bible. This is a difficult conversation to have. You don't want to say to a nonbeliever that God hates sinners, that may scare them away or make them resentful. But we also shouldn't sell people a false gospel. God is love but he is also righteous wrath. This truth is why many Christian struggle to satisfy atheists when they bring up all the slaughter from the Old Testament. How can God be love when he is having the Israelites wipe-out entire groups of people? The answer is that God's anger, his wrath is justified because all the people on earth are evil. God has every right to destroy the wicked and perverted. Humans do the same thing. ff someone is completely awful they are put to death, just look at the Nazis. Nobody has any sympathy for them, they all needed to die. Am I right or am I wrong? Were we not justified in putting down the Nazis? Was God wrong to cause the great flood? Does the creator have the right to deal with his creation as he sees fit? I believe this makes the fact that Jesus died for us all the more wonderful. Even though we were as bad a the Nazis are to us in God's eyes, he still sacrificed of himself for our sake. Truly our God is amazing, his mercy is boundless, his love is endless. But that love is not for those how go hell, is it? If God loved the sinner in hell, would he not free him from his torment? I don't know, this is just what I have gathered from reading the Bible and listening to all sorts of Christians. I have listened to Catholics, Orthodox, Baptists, Calvinists, Provisionists, all kinds of UA-cam apologists. In the end only the children of God can truly understand his Word- John 8:47. All the glory is to God. He is either glorified by his mercy or by his righteous wrath.
What the hell is wrong with you?
God loves all, but you have to love God to be a Christian.
Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God'?
@@Theo_Skeptomailook in the mirror.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Physically, no. Spiritually, yes. Our physical existence can't bear to see the glory of God.
@@mistermurtad2831 Which sensory receptors allow you to directly _spirtually_ observe this 'God'?
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I'm retired at 47. went from Grass to Grace. This video here reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, honest wife, $75K biweekly and a good daughter full of love God bless America🇺🇲❤️
Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.
I'm inspired.
Please spill some sugar about the biweekly stuff you mentioned
Thanks to God, my daughter who introduced me into the digital market. Moreso, thanks to Ms *Kathleen Mary Vella*
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US amd abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
This is a definition of God's unending provisions for his people. God remains faithful to his words. 🙏 I receive this for my household
We need to unpack 'forgive sin'. Today this slips into a moralistic corrective, where as what we are doing is being reborn into a spirit-filled life in communion with our creator and God.
We are finally connected to who we really are and our life has an integration point about the grounding absolute being of all eternity.
No longer do we self-conceive, even implicitly, as a bunch of accidental cells or molecules that will reduce back to dust in a short time; just a form of dirt, really, but as a living embodied spirit in the image of God.
Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God'?
While for sure there are many hypocritical Christians that play Christ poorly, I think many unbelievers use this 'sense' of moral superiority to excuse themselves from opening themselves up to Christ. Sometimes the people they say are judgmental or acting superior is a manifestation of their own feelings of inadequacy. The same inadequacy we all have. But it's uncomfortable to them, and seeing others trying to serve God, even when they are doing a pretty decent job, feels like a judgement in itself.
I brought my unbelieving daughter to church once or twice and everyone was nothing but welcoming and kind and genuine to her. She still insists she'll never go again because the atmosphere is 'too judgmental'.
Better? No. Smarter? Well yes... we all figured out everything points towards a creator already
Although I support Turek's position it is good to take in our minds, that there is difference between "I don't like what you are wearing" or "You are wearing too revealing clothes which is unacceptable in church as you tempt others into sin". If you spit on all the things, what Bible values, then there is question - what you do in church? Why this women wants to be in church if she don't believe in God? She is like an "old leaven" in 1 Cor 5. These kind of evil doers and false teachers who lead "little ones" astray.
Of course I don't know the real situation in this case, but this can be a possibility. We need to protect Church. We already see what happens with "progressive" churches, when they let that kind of people take over church processes... So be kind and inclusive to everyone who seeks God's Kingdom, but at the same time be careful on false teachings and expell anyone who continually sins and don't even want to repent and so lead others astray. Do with those as Matthew 18 teaches - talk in person first, then call someone else, then talk with church leaders... If he still don't want to repent, then he needs to be expelled.
A Christian is not better by any means, just better off!
People don't leave the church because of people outside the church.. they leave the church because of how they are treated inside the church.
I was a member of a church for over a decade, and I had many struggles. I tried to go to the elders and they flat out told me they would revoke my membership unless I stopped bringing these things up.
When I was being abused, I told one of the elders that I was being abused, I still have the message proving I said it. He wanted to get together to talk about it. And when I told him in person he told me to stop playing the victim. He just wanted to meet in person, so there wasn't evidence of what he told me.
This isn't just a one time thing. It happened quite a few times by multiple people, across several churches. Needless to say, I'll never attend another service.
It's easy to silence me, or to call me a liar or heretic.. it's not so easy to accept the truth. Just curious how much God is honored by that?
I sympathize with her. The church can be just abusive and awful. Thankfully not everyone is like that.
Not everyone will live eternally, They will either be destroyed in the Lake of Fire or live in the new Heaven eternally on Earth.
I dont want eternal life, sounds boring.
Lake of Fire wouldn't be dreadful if you're not alive to experience it.
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31
Actually we all are destined to an eternal life....the guy in the second comment says he thinks eternal life would be boring...I agree eternal separation from God in a place where there is nothing to restrain evil...not sure I'd call it boring but eternal boredom sounds like hell. On the other hand eternity with someone I feel is my best friend and having all eternity to explore things we don't even know about...yeah I will not be bored for even one second. Plus there's the fact we won't be experiencing time as we do here.
@WikedLovely1 No eternal punishment. They will just cease to exist
@PP_Derrick Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
You can't wail and gnash teeth if you cease to exist. I'll listen to Jesus's words and not yours.
Romans 5
Christ in Our Place
6 For when we were still without strength, [d]in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
No, you have to have been chosen before the foundation of the world.
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To all atheist we are not better than you. We are just sharing the gospel because we are afraid your soul will burn for an eternity and we don't want that for you. We do love you.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
Amen...
So you believe in this God to avoid imaginary hell
@thorpeaaron1110 no. I believe in GOD because he has shown me through the complete changing of my life he is real. I want to be with him wherever he is and he gave me that gift when he saved me
@thorpeaaron1110
How are you so sure that the Creator and seperation from the Creator is fiction Thorp?
@lazrman How so?
I've put my trust in Christ because God has promised to rid evil from the world and me. There is no final justice and peace without God. It is clear that man is incapable of resolving evil on it's own because we all have evil within our hearts.
How did you determine this 'God' to be a _reality?_
Many people who disbelieve in jesus often lead devout pious lives and follow very strict and demanding religious practices with regards to worship, diet, clothing and relationships. Yet these people according to Christian narratives disbelieve in jesus because they *"want to sin"* 🤔🤫 Some live lives of isolation and quiet contemplation taking vows of celibacy and silence but the loving jesus still deems these people unworthy of anything other than eternal torment.
Conversely however a murderer so long as he truly repents and accepts Jesus on his death bed he can spend an eternity in paradise with those he murdered. Unless of course those people also found the "evidence" for your God unconvincing, in which case the murderer would be looking down from paradise on the people he killed as they too suffered for eternity with atheists like me 😡
But what if this "evil within our hearts" is a self-fulfilling prophecy?
That negative thinking going through her head came from the evil one. He whispers garbage in people's ears all the time. Say Yes to relationship with Jesus because He wants to talk with you. That's what relationship is.
To be a Christian comes about by the affectionate call of the Holy Spirit. He chooses you. Jesus came down from heaven, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died a substantionary death on the cross for those that were His. He chooses whom He will save. So the question is not for us to answer.He exist outside of the constraints of time. Meaning we don’t know if in the future He will choose to save you. You don’t even know but he does. We are saved by grace, through faith it is a free gift from God. None of us earned it or deserve it. It’s only His work and He deserves all the glory for it.
Not all church hurt is the fault of the church. Of course we need to be patient and loving to all especially those who don't know the Lord.
But Paul also gave instructions to those who were wilfully walking in sin. A little leaven leavens the whole lot.
These days churches can be pharasies or they can just allow all kinds of sin.
We need Balance
All unbelieving humans are "Lost Sheep"
Matthew 18:12 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains, and go and search for the one that is lost?
We are not lost sheep, we just dont want to be property of the man who owns the sheep.
@@sick_ibg712 There are no slaves, and no property in heaven, only brothers, sisters, best friends, loved children, all things that bring joy, and God as your eternal companion more intimate and loving than any married couple has ever been.
It is going to be better than any imagined utopia the observable universe can contain, and it's all a free gift.
I'm guessing you reject that, and sadly you will get what you want if that continues to be your posistion. That choice has consequences that are far worse than any of us can possibly imagine. Since all good comes from God, if you reject it, all that you will have left is evil. No light, no love, no joy, no peace, no contentment, no friends, no contact other than abuse and torment. Nothing positive at all and that is how you will suffer alone forever by your own choice. Even your sense of "I was right" will be taken from you.
In Every Hellish Near Death Experience (NDE) I have heard about, the person understands fully that they deserve what they receiving.
The best moment on earth is a weak reflection of all the wonderous moments of eternity in heaven, and the worst moment on earth is better than the best moment in hell without God.
I'm so sorry for you.
We are Christians be cause we want to worship G-d. We are made in His image meaning we are supposed to do His will!
Blessings to all!
A Christian if honest, does not believe that they are better than non-Christians. They may be a better person based on comparing their actions to those other persons, just as they can be a worse person if they use their faith as a crutch and act spitefully towards others.
Christians just desire to live closer to the truth by accepting Christ as Lord and Savior.
You don’t have to be a "Christian" to get Yahuah. You don’t have to be a "Christian" to get salvation.
Absolutely that salvation is not about wearing the label of 'Christian' as an identity. Salvation is a natural result of being a true Christian, which is having a genuine and growing relationship with God/Yahuah together via the Holy Spirit empowered spiritual connection to God the Father through Jesus.
John 14:6: Jesus said, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'
MANY are "Christian" by name ONLY. Father gave me a waking vision of in the clouds, HE let me see how FEW have a relationship with Jesus. In the clouds it looked big enough for hundreds maybe thousands and that includes the dead in Christ.
No God love all but to spend eternity with Him you must accept JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR. THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH THE SON . IT IS WRITTEN. AMEN.
Have you ever _directly observed_ this Jesus?
"... will not perish, but have eternal life"
If those who don't love Jesus have eternal life too, doesn't that contradict this verse, and the many like it?
Eternal life in John 3:16 refers to an everlasting, joyful relationship with God through genuine and growing relationship with God while on Earth. Those who reject God do face an eternal existence, but the Bible calls this 'perishing' or eternal separation from God, not eternal life. The two outcomes are fundamentally different in quality and experience. God's promise in John 3:16 is an invitation to choose eternal life over the alternative.
@mlwilliams4407 I suppose that's the only way is to make the assumption that it means quality of life not actually what all the verses say 👍. That's perhaps presumptious, but I get that the only way to make it make sense.
@@unbelievablepancake Spiritual beings are energy. No spiritual beings ever cease to exist (e.g. angels, human's spiritual body, etc), but they can be transferred/transformed.
Physical beings (e.g. human's physical body) is a temporary vessel that, if not abruptly made no longer a vessel, becomes more capable and then less capable over time until it expires.
So of course perish, death, etc for the physical body is different than for the spiritual body.
Logically, when a being is living a superior life (with humility, curiosity, gratefulness, love, logic, compassion in unity with all of existence and its/our Creator), it is of higher quality with superior results (e.g. eventually eternal life united with God together vice eternally separated from God and each other).
Hope that helps.
@mlwilliams4407 thanks ☺️
This is true. The only challenge I see theologically is that like Christ, our physical bodies will also experience ressuection, then experience the judgement (separation of the sheep and goats).
The majority of verses talk about the permanent destruction/perishing of the wicked. I only find one verse that hints at life and death is actually about quality of life.
John 3:16; 10:28, Romans 6:23, Galatians 6:8, 2 Peter 2:6. Matthew 10:28, Psalm 37:38 - these are just some that talk about the wicked being destroyed like Sodom and Gomorah (1Peter 2:6). Was Sodom and Gomorah just a quality of life parable, and not actually destroyed forever in a physical sense?
We all die physically. That's not something reserved for the wicked.
I'm still struggling with what I read in scripture vs what church has taught historically.
@@unbelievablepancake Absolutely! Yes, a human is a 3-in-1 being with a physical body (in natural realm), a spiritual body (in spiritual realm), and a soul (bridge between the natural and spiritual realm aka consciousness). When a human dies, their physical body is no more and their soul/spirit (energy) is either transferred/transformed and alive/kinetic in paradise in the 3rd heaven, or asleep/potential in Hades/Sheol. When the new heaven/earth and hell eventually replace the current heavens/earth, a human's soul is either redeemed and spirit united with God and others eternally, or the human's soul is destroyed and spirit separated from God and others eternally.
Right, both the "sheep and goats" separation in Matthew 25:31-46 and the description of the final judgment in Revelation 20:11-15 confirm that the wicked will face the "destruction" described above while the righteous enter eternal life.
- While everyone dies physically (Hebrews 9:27), scriptures like Romans 6:23 contrast eternal life with the "wages of sin," which is death. This second death refers not to the annihilation of existence but to separation from God (Revelation 21:8).
- Verses like 2 Peter 2:6 (regarding Sodom and Gomorrah) are often misinterpreted as annihilationism (e.g. the wicked are completely destroyed and cease to exist after judgment). Jude 1:7 clarifies that Sodom serves as an example of "eternal fire," showing ongoing consequences rather than simple physical destruction.
- Passages like Matthew 25:46 distinguish "eternal punishment" from "eternal life," not implying annihilation, but a sustained, conscious separation from God's presence (2 Thessalonians 1:9).
John 10:10 promises "life to the full," showing a higher quality of life tied to the eternal union with God. However, eternal life in Scripture primarily refers to both a relationship with God in the present and a future promise of immortality with Him.
John 3:16 and Romans 6:23 emphasize a stark choice: eternal life or perishing (a loss of relationship and existence with God). The "quality of life" interpretation complements but does not negate these eternal distinctions.
Hope this helps...and yes, there's tons of opportunity for humans (including Christians) to have completely open hearts to let God and His Truth freely flow in.
Christians don't think we're better. We're the people who admitted we're sinners
Making you better than those who won't admit they are sinners....?
@@kinggenius930 Read his comment again very carefully
@@0i7PX72Nga Done. My point still stands
Christians live every day knowing they aren't better. My sinful nature is always in my face. Without God I'm a mess
@kinggenius930 There is no we and them. We're all humans with faults.
Imagine living in a world with zero bad things of any sort. that's heaven. Imagine living in a world with zero good things, that's hell. imagine living in a world with good and bad things, that's where we are now. which do you prefer?
The one where good things happen forever.
I dont know her situation but i have friends that felt the church was "holier than thou" and judgemental. Turns out they were wanting to stay in their sin and feeling guilted by the church living by Gods standard. Theres plenty of Pharisees out there. But do a little self reflection to see if the reason is your life of sin. Always look inward as well.
We don't know the whole story; perhaps she was rebellious and immodest.
I thought the same thing. Maybe she was dressed inappropriately. She never described what she was wearing.
yeah there's a lot in her comment, possible sitting around "weaker" Christians. Yes there are commands in the bible for like men not to have long hair (1 cor 11), or women to dress modesly (1tim 2), but God never says how long is too long or how modest is modest enough. Why? Because it's based on your relationship with God. Rely on him to tell you how long is too long. It's about relationship with the Father and the Son, not religion.
Is belief a choice?
Obviously
It won't let me comment I don't have a section so I'm jumping on your friend... God punishes the Christians because he wants everybody to be saved so we have to wait until a few more people get saved that are non-believers would that not make them special in their own way?
@@oreally8605 So can you right now just chose to believe something you dont and really believe it? I do not seem to be able to do that, I am either convinced or I am not and only new evidence and reasoning can change it by convincing me of something else.
@@procallgears8490 ya, YT sucks. Often if you sort the list by newest the comments show up. I dont know if that would make the special.
No believing is not a choice which is why faith in Jesus isn't belief only, it is putting your faith IN Him, and being faithful TO Him, not just mentally agreeing that 'He is the Son of God'. While you DO need to believe that, it is not the only thing. As Scripture says, even the demons believe and shudder. So what are you supposed to do to get yourself to believe? It is to pray to God and ask HIM to reveal Himself to you and help YOU to believe. That's all that God is asking. As Jesus says in Matthew 7:7-8: “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." This is literally a promise from God right there, if you seek Him, He will show you. Similar to the promise in James 4:7 which says: "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
Adam was created in God’s image, but when sin was committed, that image was taken away from him and his successors therefore we were created in Adam’s image. Only when we are born again restore God’s Image in us. My source is “Body, Soul, and Spirit” by Dr. Peter S. Ruckman. I am not saying that I am right about my sources for I, too, am still learning.
According to the gospel of saint Peter ruckman.. 😂😂😂
Yes we are to share our faith, yes we are to talk about heaven and hell, and yes we should defend our faith; but with compassion. To many of you fellow christians talking about nonbelievers harden their hearts, they’re hardening their hearts because you are causing them to. So more than just words, let’s evangelize with our behavior, watch our words and quit playing Judge condemning. If we love nonbelievers and want them to be saved and receive Christ, returning mockery for mockery or returning insults for insult will take us nowhere. Just because they are nonbelievers, you think you’re better than them? Well I got news for you, you’re not.
Being a Christian, in order to be saved....probably so, as there is no viable option to being saved....
Should i ask for forgiveness if i didn't make mistakes?
Hmmm, so you are morally perfect & ifso, by whose standard of morality are you comparing your actions too….your own??
@bigtsxdude,
(I'm not allowed to reply to. probably half banned.)
I'm just asking because somebody else said that.
Or maybe she thought she was being judged when she wasn't
No unbelievers will be consumed both body and soul
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God cares for the animals according to the Bible and do God still loves them... And they weren't said to be made in the image of God.
Go on then Frank. Show that it's true.
"We have this old book."
Wow, so compelling.
The unbeliever will not spend eternity apart from God (Psalm 139:8). It is the presence of God (with them still in their sin) that will bring about their destruction (Isaiah 6:5), over and over for all eternity. God is an all consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29).
Think Moses in Exodus 33 with God passing by, but without the protection, but in eternity, one will be destroyed over and over again without ever perishing. And that's not even the half of it, being eaten by worms, in complete darkness, possibly in constant freefall, all alone...
If you love them, you'll tell them that they must have a relationship with BOTH the father and the son for salvation (John 17:3).