10 more thoughts on the SVS PRIME WIRELESS PRO ✍🏻 ('Dear John')
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1:13 An in-betweener
1:56 vs. Audioengine?
2:25 vs. Q Acoustics?
3:03 Soundbar replacement
4:08 Wireless?
6:08 Cable vomit
7:19 Too long?
8:41 DTS Play-Fi
9:45 Edifier S3000 Pro?
10:50 Boaty McBoatface
12:07 The Sonos connection
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The "thoughts" videos are like the acoustic version, love it.
ha! I like that analogy. 😊
"Darko Unplugged."
I enjoy the information. Doesn't matter the length of the videos or your opinion , mine may be and often is different. What matters and what I enjoy is your presentation of the products/technology, and that the topic is covered enough for me to decide to investigate further in my personal audio journey. Even when I am not particularly interested in altering my audio behavior with topics discussed I nevertheless enjoy them.... never miss a video
Yeah, I agree. If the video would be too long there is a function in UA-cam called "Pause" that most viewers would know how to use. 😊
Hey James... that's identity theft. Almost. Just as well you can't spell.
The longer the videos the better!
well maybe can do Shorts for a summary/pro/cons of the reviewed speakers
There's just no pleasing all audiophiles. We're impatient, demanding, finicky, and when we don't get our way, we'll let everyone around us know. We're children in an adults body. Fantastic video.
and you’re overthinkers😅✌🏼
I'm sure that a fair amount of restraint was called for in the making of this video. I think you got it just right, addressing some comments with the correct degree of 'politeness' and assertiveness. Good one.
Agreed. Some of the comments were dripping with rudeness/entitlement.
Dear John, ...
I like this new kind of approach.
These “thoughts” videos are great follow ups. I like your longer 20-30 minute videos. Some products require more time to cover features, use cases, etc. I don’t always like the music you cover in them, but I do appreciate that you include them as they help to broaden my experience.
Liking these follow up videos a lot. I really like your long videos; I make a coffee, sit with anticipation and thoroughly enjoy. Regardless of the product or your opinion they are always informative and entertaining. Thanks!
I enjoy the thoroughness of your videos and I often dont even notice if they are short or long. Thank you!
good questions and even better answers. Thank you John. Terrific channel.
New subscriber. Found you through your dongle review. Really enjoying the concise but well explained style you have. It’s helping to make sense of the more confusing details surrounding this topic. Well done.
Love this video! Thnx John!
Great video! I like to hear responses to comments from time to time, because it shows all of us that you do pay attention to your audience. You have a great sense of humor, and your attitude towards Hi-Fi continues to be good as well; you add a different perspective that I sometimes wouldn't think of. Thanks!!
Good stuff. I really like these response videos. They inject fantastic amounts of personality into your channel.
Thanks for another video John, I like the format. Glad you're taking the comments section for what it has to offer and not sweating the less savoury elements.
The length of your videos works for me. There is a lot of information to cover, and I do appreciate your succinct style of presenting it.
I really like this style of video, really interesting. Keep up the longer ones too.
Great wrap up as usual John, I'm liking this let's call it tidying up loose ends video format.👍🎧😁
I actually like the longer videos and detailed review and analysis John. I always watch till the end!
I like this questions and answers bit! Please keep it up......good health to you as well!
Love your content!
Great Video... too bad it was so short :)
Thank you for your hard work in putting out these videos.
Cheers John!
I appreciate the long form videos. Some products deserve it.
Love your content John...the longer the better!
It's good to hear your take on the feedback your reviews generate...I enjoy the sense of humour too.
I recently added a sub to my front room system and it seemed to make the bookshelf speakers sound clearer, irrespective of the added bass? (Bluesound power node, Wharfedale 9.1s and SW150 sub) - I really think there is "something" in the low pass/high pass arrangements you talk about.
Hi John! I think the length of the Videos is just right. They fit perfectly in my Lunchbreak. ;)
For me I appreciate John’s preference for the long thorough video format. Actually wish there were more comparisons. Great video as always. Really like the follow up videos.
I love the longer videos don’t change
Don't listen to that jerk who wants shorter reviews. You have me and another 240,000+ subscribers who thinks you do it perfectly. I want detail in the reviews and that's what I love about your channel. So keep up the good work!
Hello John. I sincerely appreciate the comment engagement. The trolls want their moment in the spotlight. If it were me, I would starve them of any oxygen and not entertain or engage their diatribes in any way. Your videos are just the right length and have always been genuine and thoughtful. Don't change a thing. Take care!
I really like these videos, Q&A sessions are important in my opinion. These types of speakers are of interest to me in my TV room, but I don't have the space for speaker stands, really I need a soundbar. I'm looking at the Bluesound Pulse Soundbar+ in comparison since it's tidy and compact, but I don't love the soundbar aspect. I find it tough to decide on a purchase as there is always something else to consider, and your channel (in the best way possible, only good things) helps drive my analysis paralysis.
I like your comprehensive review! Your info matters to even think of the products that could matter to a person. If the person wanted to know how it sounds for their need. Just go to the store and try it out. And if it works for your room acoustics. Then you will be happy! if not go to the store for someting else. But you (Darko) help sift trough a lot. Keep up the good work! And if the person think the video is too long. You can always crank up the speed with the option of your UA-cam page! Ore you can manually skip! Info is the key for understanding a product!
Great idea these “ my thoughts” videos.
I have no trouble with my attention span. I think you do a very good job to complete a, more or less, 'full' review in about 20 minutes. In this raging world where superficiality increases on behalf of the need of entertainment to avoid the deeply felt boredom, watching your video's are moments of tranquillity, focus and pleasure to me, anyway. Keep it up John.
Thanks for the shout out, John!
Love this type of video's! If only SVS would give us an actual launch date on this and the accompanying Soundbase. They've been teasing it since January
Hi John, I really enjoyed this video, and think this is a format you should do again. Following up on "main" reviews, and discussing comments is a great idea, thanks. 👍
Keep it up. I enjoy both the review videos and follow up Dear John videos. I don’t think a 20-25 minute video is too long.
Regarding the Sonos comparison: these speakers also support Airplay 2 which is has multi room support. They can be played in sync with any other Airplay 2 device, making all Airplay 2 speakers/receivers/amps viable alternatives to Sonos.
I really love your videos because if you are new to hifi or even if you are not you give people a lot to think about in terms of pros and cons of each system and help people think about if the system is right for them.
Dear John, your videos are my favourite hifi related content. I would like it if they were an hour long.
Check out his podcasts.
I love all the vids no matter the length. Props to you and Olaf for always coming through with a quality production.
I would be very interested in a comparison in between a streaming active system and a more “traditional” system that consists of separate components but come in at the same price with the same basic features. For instance, many of the larger hifi companies offer stereo receivers with hdmi earc and limited streaming capabilities(Marantz NR1200 or Onkyo TX-8270 for example). Even a Bluesound Power Node and some passive speakers would make a minimal footprint complete streaming solution. What I’m interested in is can better flexibility, sound, looks, and or convenience be had from either a full streaming active loudspeaker system or from one cobbled together from separate components. I think it would make for an interesting topic.
This was perfect. Don't change
Hi John. I like that you do: carry on!
I have a separates system comprising streaming DAC/pre-amp, analogue crossover, sub, analogue power amp and speakers. I also have a Sonos system for casual listening around the house with eight zones including one zone in the main listening room that feeds into the DAC/pre for casual listening. Sonos is very important to me for multi-room, and for integration with BBC Sounds, a podcast service (Pocketcast), and Tidal. The streaming loudspeakers that you’ve been reviewing are interesting products and some appear to deliver very good sound, but you rarely have anything to say about integration with a multi-room system. Multi-room music or speech is such a huge benefit of modern audio systems that I wish you would say something about it when you review ‘future-fi’, ‘wireless’ speakers.
Really like these videos!
Regarding the cable vomit that usually follows wireless speakers. I think the most future-fi solution is having a box with all the connections that communicates with the speakers wirelessly. Like the Dali sound hub, Dynaudio Xeo link and so on.
The videos are not too long, if anything they're too short haha!
Great channel.
Great video John! And you nailed it in 15 mins. LOL :)
If only they made these in a walnut or wood finish. Spotify Connect works really well on my Play 5 and also integrated via voice control through Alexa. It's a great fit for casual listening for the entire family.
Love your videos John. Would love to see in this “affordable wireless speakers ground” a comparison between the BlueSound Pulse and Sonos Five. Cheers!
Great follow up review. I must contradict you in one area. I use a Linn Selekt DSM all in one streamer/ amp feeding two internal stereo amplifier modules, each with their own Katalyst DAC . The Selekt uses Linn's Active Exakt technology to split the crossover frequencies in DSP and thus feed a "passive" unpowered speaker, actively (although one has to bypass the speaker's passive crossover). My speakers of choice is the Kudos Titan 505, which simplifies this, by incorporating external crossover jumpers on the rear.
Hi John, keep the thorough reviews coming. As a person with ADHD attention span is an issue. However, I find that with people like yourself who bring the content in a way that is easy to digest, a bit tongue in cheek (read: not taking it too seriously) I can easily watch the whole video in one go. Remember folks there is a pauze button. Pauze have a brew and come back and resume playback. As for the wire issue, I run a pair of Adam Audio A7X attached to a SPL Director MK2. Having the cables all attached to a single device does make it slightly easier to hide the cables, as the separates can be put into a cabinet/closet/hifi-rack, which with speakers is going to be slightly more difficult. Keep up the good work!
Stay with your current length reviews. The info shared and your perspective are valued.
To me (newbie), the value of these products are pretty much amp/speaker synergy to people who are mainly digital/streaming and/or would end up using them for secondary listening rooms and/or, finally, for those entering the rabbit hole of hi-fi. Other than that, adding sources etc would only change where these sources are connected. Cables, by definition would be the same, unless ou area also going "fully not integrated" and therefore having to factor in interconnects etc.
Great approach addressing the comments.
Great review, as always. Hope you'll be able to review the Dynaudio wireless Focus series and let us know how they compare to the KEFs.
I think the speakers behind John are the Dynaudio Focus 30
@@pauldavis5967 They do look like 'em, don't they!
Great follow up video, John. I wish more reviewer did this.
For me having multiple wires hanging behind a speaker kind of defeats the purpose of these speakers that are meant to be lifestyle friendly. One speaker that I have been interested in that is close to what I believe wireless speakers ought to be are the B&W Formation Duo. They offer true Wi-Fi with just the power cables running behind them with an external box to handle any analog connections that streams wirelessly to the speakers. One thing I wish they add would an HDMI arc input to the external box that will make this an ideal product.
Do you have any thought on this and if you plan on reviewing these speaker? I have heard them in-person and was left impressed. Few reviews that are out there, have raved about their sonic performance.
Your attitude is good and your reviews thorough John.Nothing negative to say here.Take care.
Loving that Ghostly tee! Ghostly International was one of my first label crushes when I was really diving into electronic music full force.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the Jbl 4305p. Your deep dives are the best. Thanks!
The person who complained about the length of your videos is bananas. Your 20-25 minute videos are perfect when eating lunch or dinner. Anyone who can't appreciate your b-roll or your musical tangents/anecdotes is no friend of mine.
Thank you for explaining, that it is the price that determines, whether cables go into one or both wireless speakers. I've heard the Buchardt A500, A500 Signature Edition and A700, all of which have a small box, that sends the sound wirelessly to the speakers, via wisa. I think it is the same with the new Dynaudio Focus series. That is more like actual wireless to me. Only the power cord is plugged in.
I enjoyed this video very much because you took several approaches from our comments and compared them to using/setting up the SVS Prime Wireless Pro. I understand the reasons you gave for the cable spaghetti coming out of the SVS wireless but still think it's a bit silly for any company to label that solution "Wireless". It is what it is, love your videos and perhaps some day there will be a totally wireless option for all of us to debate.
I'm fine with the length of your videos, don't change. I run them in the background and glance over when wanted or needed. Maybe make a summary cut for those who can't spare that length of time or who don't run videos in the background.
I'm already looking forward to the review of the Dynaudio Focus 30 and the comparison with the KEF LS60 😀
I like the video length.
True wireless is available! Brands like DALI have a wireless hub for physical connections so the speakers only have the power cord.
John, I agree that the SVS and Sonos is a reasonable comparison. I want to point something out. I have TVs in three different rooms in my house. I have chosen to put my money into a high end 2.2 channel hifi system in my listening room. But I have put Sonos gear in two of the other rooms with TVs because it was a quick and easy to setup solution for HT without breaking the bank, relatively speaking. Additionally, Sonos gear is also designed with decor in mind so that is a plus. The SVS and other higher end audio gear, generally is not. But that is in the eye of the beholder. The other tv room has a Naim UnitiStar, a pair of Zu Omen Dirty Weekend speakers and an Emotiva subwoofer. Making the above setups this way, I have prioritized my listening room gear for the greatest expenditures, because to me, per my priorities, HT doesn’t require this type of money, because to me, HT is not critical listening. So Sonos has value, in that it is decor friendly, sounds good, is easy to setup, makes for acceptable HT setups and allows for serious expenditures elsewhere for no unreasonable sacrifices. Others may disagree with these thoughts. But this is the strategy that has worked for me. Thanks.
As soon as you mentioned 'what abouts' I had Ian Durys 'Reasons to be cheerful' stuck in my head.
John,
Make your videos longer lol.
I appreciate your approach to all things hi fi. Being in my mid 50’s, I fall into staunchly old school subscribers. Although I may never go wireless, I do agree active loudspeakers are indeed the future & rapidly becoming the here & now. I also enjoy discovering quality future fi products you review.
Thanks
👍Please continue your unequalled and incomparable passion from what you do best. Hats off to you taking the effort to explain to these criticisms in a engaging and frank manner. Your videos are thoughtfully made and comprehensive. Well done and keep up the good work. There are so many new subjects to learn from you 👍 THANK YOU !!!
For those who complain about the videos being too long, you should try the podcast. Boy, does he bang on and on and on.....
Kidding, of course. Frankly I would watch even longer videos. Three hours on the best Red Hot Chilli Peppers albums of the last 30 years, perhaps
Dear John - that was a useful video, and I appreciate the darko responses to comments, it's like a little bit of chili and salt in your chocolate!
HDMI (Arc)- RCA converter cost about 15 euro and allow to change volume too. I tested one. It is option for devices with no HDMI.
Are there any 15 euro DACs of sufficient quality to be appropriate for a hi-fi system?
Dear John. I absolutely love your videos, regardless of length. Unfortunately I am submersed in Sonos but I feel like I am missing something as far as audio is concerned. My main listening area is approx the same size as yours. Is your issue with Sonos concerned with sound quality or something else, and if so is there a way I could upgrade this without dumping the whole system? Any help you could provide would be much appreciated.
I agree with the others that the length is not a problem, I enjoy sitting down and just listening to you ramble at times, if all you did was ramble off a bunch of specs and facts I would not be interested. The presentation adds to the thought you have given to your statements and I love the podcasts you do as well and they are by no means short. As for the person who doesn't see the comparison with Sonos and BluOS, I think they are comparing the apps not the hardware and in your case it is hardware and high level function of the apps.. I think that the "Future-fi" segment is one of the more rapidly changing areas when it comes to hi-fidelity and the applications may become more and more important in the future, to the point where large companies known for fidelity really start to invest in the software development... maybe??
Hi Darko, I have to thank you for your great work!
I would call myself a Sonos victim (self accused) and was always looking for a replacement/level up…
My Setup are the Yamaha HS80m and a Sonos Connect (only S1 compatible)- nothing fancy.
I’m considering to get the setup you are referring in this video and the Sub SVS 3000 micro but no chance to get the speakers in Germany…
Am I doomed with my setup?
And yes - I can’t accept in my head a soundbar- I’m fine with stereo and no wannabe Dolby athmos no one believes in anyway comin out of one single element … or the cinemas are wasting a lot of money 😉
Hello John, Ι was also one who would love it if you could review the Edifier S3000pro since then I'd have a clear comparison of everything else you've reviewed to something I own and listen to everyday. I believe you'd love the fact that they communicate wirelessly with each other, so no umbilical cable, and that they have a very exciting sound. Having watched a fair amount of your reviews though I believe you wouldn't like their treble (a bit fatiguing), and wouldn't care much for their look. So you just do your thing, and please keep talking about music along with everything else.
Sorry for the wordy comment, your videos are long enough, and surprisingly not boring for videos of a bloke sitting and talking about something for half an hour. Keep it up!
Surely anyone who is still asking you for comparisons is just taking the piss now 🤣? Loving these new response videos btw.
Put an order in for an Arc to go with a new TV. Wasn’t thrilled about the cost to add a sub which seems important to get tv and music listening enjoyment. This helped me understand an alternative.
Great video! I am wondering if it is worth it to wait for them in stores or go with KEF LSX?
SVS Prime Wireless Pro are nearly double the volume and have more lower bass. They are powered speakers. Kef LSX speakers are both active speakers with either wireless link or wired for the highest data rate.
In your Buchardt S400 MKII video, I saw that you had a Lyngdorf TDAI-3400. Is there a review coming of the 3400?
I've got the Edifier S3000 pro's no they're not streamers but they do sound superb for their price point, However I am tempted by the SVS's along with a sub, sadly the Edifier's don't have a sub output which I wish I had thought through before I bought them. Keep up the good work. Cheers.... 👍
Bought a couple of HomePod mini speakers to connect to my Apple TV. Wonder what your thoughts are about such a setup - futurefi affordable?
Ghostly, nice.
Thanks for the review and follow-up. I have Vanatoo T1E's that I'm using with my TV (and love), but they lack HDMI ARC. This is pain point, especially for my wife, so I've been on the hunt for active speakers that have ARC and there are very few, sadly. Like you said, these SVS are ugly, but I might have to give them a go. I've been mulling separates vs. active for this. Maybe I'm trying to find. reason to move the T1E's to my desk. It would be cool to see you review these underrated Vanatoo speakers.
Regarding video length: I'll take having having pertinent info in a long-form video over an abbreviated review every time. Informed buying decisions.
Any chance you will be getting the KEF Lsx 2 for review? It would be great to hear your thoughts in comparison to the SVS prime wireless Pro's given thier similar feature set and since the new lsx use the new kef app
I hope those speakers behind you are the Dynaudio Focus 30. A comparison vs Kef LS60 would be handy
Agree with you that this product compares well with Sonos offerings. I’m thinking of switching to the SVS from a Sonos amp+Vandersteen bookshelves. The Sonos amp is garbling tv show dialog. SVS option lets me ditch another black box from my current setup. Always nice in the “lifestyle leaning” living room.
I would try these with your preferred source content and input source. I really like these speakers for native two channel content but anytime I listen to compressed streaming multi channel native - in its two channel output. The volume has to be cranked up. I'm not sure if this is a function of how the audio is mastered or something else?
Hi John - always find your reviews and rants interesting/funny. I did PM you ref Play Fi - I bought myself a Quad Artera Solus Play with a pair of S2 loudspeakers as an all in one solution to my still growing CD collection and foray into streaming. Play Fi is frustrating especially as there is no Apple Airplay 2 built in. Id love to hear your recommendation for a device I could add to the Quad to bypass the Pay Fi and add Apple Air Play 2.
I enjoy your videos even though i'm in home theater (5.1.2) and use AVR to listen to music in 2.1 but never heard/owed any 2 channel gear. Never bought outboard DAC or streamer either so there is plenty to learn about.
I prefer your longer videos. I geek out on the info and insights.
Please don’t waste your time on acknowledging the trolls’ comments. They are energy vampires.
Peace!
If you want a faster video play it @ 2x speed ;)
The videos should be as long as they need to in order to be thorough and complete (and worthwhile). Don't change because of that "one guy".
Thanks for the video John. Ignore the rude comment about the Edifiers..but it would be awesome if you could get a pair of the S3000 on the channel...I think you would be pleasantly surprised.
Really hoping you get send some LSX 2 so you can compare the pro and LSX!
Informative, comparison to sonus on the button.👍😎
Yeah i like to get as much information i can get in one Video by a guy that i enjoy to listen to. Doesn't really matter how long the video is. An for people who want to take a shortcut can do so with the timestemps.
Quick question buddy may I ask where can I buy the Metal puck you use to hold down the devices
Thank you very much for any advice or help I love all your videos you guys are amazing
Heavy door stops.
Actually the SVS has 2 "multiroom" platforms built in. Both in Google (chromecast built in) and DTS Play-fi you can create rooms, combine speakers, play across zones... Double Sonos! ;-)
With regard to the wireless nature of the speaker, in the previous version there was the option to buy two master speakers and pair them in stereo wirelessly through DTS PlayFi, without the need of connecting them with a cable. Now since this version has also Chromecast that also allows for stereo pairing, therefore the question is, can you buy two master speakers instead of a master and slave configuration?
The SVS Prime wireless Pro has a powered speaker and a passive speaker with 4x 50W amplifiers. Does it have active crossovers or are "precision tuned electronic crossover" passive cross overs?
Some DSP active speakers do have a cable between a primary and secondary where the secondary has amplifier but only input from the primary e.g. Linn Series 3 but most with a cable link are powered speakers without an active cross over.
Will speakers with HDMI ARC inputs work from the HDMI out of a laptop or desktop computer?
your length of videos are fine
My speaker pair cost less than $600, are fully wireless (except DC plugs), have streaming with a gapless service, lossless (or CD quality with Dolby Atmos), software room correction and connected to tv via Apple TV since they are Apple Home Pods
Thanks for all the information. Pardon my ignorance, but I assume that if you have a Bluetooth turntable, you can sync with these speakers and play LP’s without a receiver or amp?
Bluetooth, at the moment is lossy. Compared to using DLNA or uPnP over wireless and Ethernet the compression is noticeable. You can plug a turntable with a phono preamp into the aux input. That is one reason some have a suitable hub for analogue and digital inputs and then over wi-fi to the speakers. It would work as you suggest if you find a Bluetooth turntable okay to listen to.