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Shooting 100 Arrows EVERY DAY for 30 Days --- "The Improvement Experiment"
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2020
- Shooting 100 arrows a day for 30 days. The goal of this is to see how much I can improve. This is not about how good I can shoot but rather how much I can improve from day 1 to day 30.
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I'm a professional coach, and you basically hit every major point on the nail, notably strength, form, consistency and tune, really enjoyed this video, so many people post videos, 'you have to do this that and the other', the long and short of it is if you can repeat what you're doing and you're strong enough, you will improve, you'll crush your goals, don't chase scores, they'll come by themselves. So many times people want to get better and expect a coach to sprinkle magic dust on them if you don't shoot a lot, don't expect to become an amazing archer. Great work.
Great comment
yup, no substitute for LOTS of practice. one of the first things I learned was how to pick the bow up, never needed a wrist guard because of that, but shops will sure sell you one!
Sorry, this isn't related to your comment, but I shoot ~35lb fiberglass recurve bow (kind of like those Ben Pearson ones), no arrow shelf/ rest, just off the hand. Thing is, I can't afford nice arrows, so I use $1 Walmart carbon fiber arrows. At 20 yards, if I had perfect form and release, how much do you think the quality of the arrows could affect my accuracy? I'm trying to get better and go out nearly every day to shoot, so I want to know how much my equipment is affecting my performance.
From watching the arrow flight do you you think they are a bit too stiff ? They seem to take to long to straighten out which may cause inconsistent left to right impacts ?
@@davidkhrystenko I've never seen carbon fiber arrows for $1 at Walmart or anywhere else! $3 is dirt cheap for carbon fiber arrows. If you have any way to, I'd weigh your arrows and see how much they weigh. I was getting cheap arrows (some "Carbon Express" which were NOT carbon fiber!) for my kids' bow. Turns out they were fiberglass and weighed 650 grains!! That's a TON for an arrow on a low poundage bow. I don't know much about recurve shooting, but for his compound bow, it meant we adjusted the sights until we ran out of adjustment and he could only shoot 20 yards with those heavy arrows. He now has CF arrows that weigh half the weight and he can shoot 30 yards and we could still adjust the sights more. It's much better. That's just the tip of the iceberg with arrows, too. There's spine and a whole lot more to it.
Legit thought he was gonna say "day 1, hour 0" for a second
Mikeyyyy 😂
Same! XD
Same
Mike Boyddd
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Here's a suggestion. It's almost like at the moment you release, you go from focusing on the target to trying to see the result of your shot. Totally forget about where the arrow hits the target. When you pull back and aim, let's call that "In the Zone". After you release, remain "In the Zone" for a split second or two longer. It kind of looks like your reaction the see the result of your shot might be tweaking your accuracy. It's like riding a motorcycle around a really long, wide curve. You keep your eyes fixed where you want your motorcycle to go, and not where you motorcycle is going. Your body will follow where your eyes lead you.
I agree with your thoughts. I’ll relate it to something as simple as shooting a free throw in basketball. It’s almost as if you “will” the ball into the hoop. Maybe that’s a bad analogy, but I totally get what you’re saying. I shoot pistols/ rifles often. It’s my sport ( now that I’m an older guy). Many times, ive seen the round leave the barrel. For a fraction of a second, I’m so focused I’ve seen the round leave the end of the barrel. Ive talked to only a few guys who have said the same thing. There’s a lot to be said about that type of focus isn’t there? Funny thing is, when I deliberately try to see it, I can’t. Only when that focus is immeasurable.
This is the same with Golf, if you turn your head to look at your dhot usually it will go bad
Sounds about right. I tried putting a sight on my recurve only to find it didn't exactly help with my accuracy so I went no sight and focused on the the target rather than actively aiming and I ended up getting better groupings. I think I tried focusing so hard on aiming that I'd neglected my form or would wait too long to release the arrow and would release it with wobbly arms.
This is a great idea! I'll be featuring you in my build review series I'm starting, and i think I'll take part in this challenge as well as challenge my subscribers to take part. Thanks for the vid man.
I've found the comment. Came from the build review episode.
Yooo Eli, been watching you for years man. Thanks for introducing me to Krammer Ammons! Just found one of my new favorite channels! 🏹🎯
The master has failed more times than the novice has tried.
Your video is still inspiring and you STILL improved.
Great improvement, Excellent discipline.
My goal is to get out of bed before 8 for the next 30 days....
Wish me luck!
Your comment really made me giggle. Thankyou. ☺
Me too brother. Keep me posted!
Goodluck, same to me, Trying to go to sleep early.
Geht a kid and u ll not sleep past 7 for the first 3 years... i hope i dont sound too desperate 🥺
Jeez my goal is to get out of bed by 12 let alone 8.
Comes back from hunting. "Did you have any luck?" "Yep. I got 3 small pancakes."
lol
and a milk cap
And a paper plate 🤣
That's nice I got 5 full grown paper plates
Lol
Keep it up young man! Enjoy archery! Me : 100+ arrows a day for 300+ days a year for 35 years. Didn’t miss a day from 1985 to 2000. Missed days after I had kids.
That’s impressive!
Consistency
I've been shooting the SAME recurve bow for 52 years so I'd like to share a few thoughts, if I may. You need to realize the role that fletching plays in arrow accuracy is pretty critical. At the end you are shooting arrows that clearly should have been reflected about 1,000 shots ago! And you are hoping to shoot fantastic groups using arrows with worn out fletching? Not likely to happen! Rip the fletching off and reflect a batch of arrows, then shoot another 100 rounds for another week. I'm willing to bet you will hit your 350 at least once during that time with better fletching.
But also be sure to check all your arrows for other defects too. An archer SHOULD check every single arrow before every shot. Things happen when you keep shooting the same arrows over and over. If you find any of your arrows have become twisted or bent, split anywhere, or have any other defects that could affect accuracy, discard them until you can repair or replace them.
Check your bow every day before shooting too. Be sure the brace height hasn't become altered due to string stretch from so many shots. Be sure the string is in good shape and that essentially every part of your equipment is in top notch condition. Firing so many shots day after day wears down equipment and that alone will greatly reduce your consistency and accuracy.
I believe you have enhanced your accuracy immensely but may be struggling with equipment that is not in the same good condition as it was 3,000 shots earlier! I don't blame the equipment, mind you, but it only makes sense to keep your equipment in tip top shape as you progress through so many shots in such a short time span.
I trust you are shooting instinctively by focusing on the TARGET only and not trying to fix the gap between the arrow tip and the target. The principle that has long been shown to work BEST is for you to binge shoot like you have just done while focusing your eye ONLY on the target itself. Your body's muscle memory will "work out" the right actions needed to coordinate the draw, release, follow through, etc. so that you will hit the target once the muscles have shot enough repetitions to get a feel for where the arrow lands as your body makes slight adjustments. Don't try to over think it! Just relax, look dead at the target, and shoot. It is the same way you would shoot a basketball. You don't think about the shot mechanics. Your body just does the work for you. Same thing for throwing a football or baseball. It's pure hand-eye coordination that gives you success. The more you try to concentrate your mind on the task, the more you DEFEAT the efforts of your body to do the task from muscle memory.
What to do from here? Just keep shooting a decent amount of arrows every single day from here on out. How many free throws does a basketball shooter need to shoot? They NEVER stop practicing. You will at some point reach a practical maximum for your ability. Just as you may never bowl a perfect game of 300, you may never shoot a perfect 500 archery score either. But you don't have to in order to be a great archer or a good bow hunter. You absolutely, beyond ANY doubt already can shoot well enough to consistently kill deer, turkey, or other game animals. Every shot doesn't have to be a perfect bulls eye. Any shot in that pie plate is capable of killing a deer and the vast majority of your shots easily hit the pie plate.
I really enjoyed your video and wish you the best success in all your archery pursuits. You have also inspired me. I am going to do my own 30 day shooting test to see how much I can improve. I'm not sure I am going to be brave enough to post all of them on my channel however! We will see how it goes first. HA!
I love how you took the time to write such a long comment. I've only started archery a few months ago and your comment has some pretty helpful tips & things to look out for when I'm shooting. Thanks for sharing!
Lol I agree with everything you said except for the deer part when it comes to Archery and deer whoooooooo you got alot I mean alot of work there I've been hunting game for about 32 years started bow hunting about 12 years ago because I started out with a 30/30 which is probably the best bush rifle and has killed more deer than any other then I got into long distance shooting with a 300 Ruger M77 Mark 2 loved that rifle and some crack head stole it and my 22 sportsman ahhhh anyways hunting had done got boring but then I picked up a bow and the first 2 years lol I had no deer I was like WTF so then I started learning how they think and how they move and act best time for killing a wall hanger besides night time lol is full rut he's crazy during this time is the best time to play with scent's doe estrus and mock scrapes stuff like that but don't just go to throwing scent's out there because instead of bringing them in you can also run every deer in 10 miles out of there my little cousin had 4 mock scrapes in 1 20 acre field lol he didn't kill any buck that year because the deer knew that there wasn't 4 mature dominant buck in that area cause they live there so they know maybe 1 mock scrapes is all he should've used watch your weather for wind a buck that's a wall hanger will circle you about 5 times within 1/2 of a mile and turkey lol I'm not gonna get started on them bastards .
nice !!
Thank you very much for your comment. I don't even own a bow but it was great to come across such a thorough coverage of the topic from a person with such a long track of experience behind them. Thank you for sharing and keep pursuing your goal!
It's funny how when the ego gets involved the score dropped. Archery it's a Zen thing, for sure.
Mastering any weapon is a zen thing. Sword, Bow, gun... The techniques differ but the philosophy is all the same.
@@seanmtactical6069 Mastering anything whatsoever is a zen thing lol
The tenets of Kyudo.
With all of the pancake talk in the comments, I read that as Eggo. 🤣
For sure it is... Be the arrow!
I'm a random recreational archer and I realized how I could definitely improve. I am going to try to maintain daily practice, as well. I don't normally find these type of videos motivational, but your journey is very relatable for me and I admire your open mind, analysis of your errors and zeal to correct them!
Watching “the push” a few years ago was life changing. I went from a paper plate group at 30yds to a Copenhagen can at 30yds.
One thing i see is your target, you need to replace your 1 inch bullseye when it not very visible, you are focusing on the 4 inch, you need to be locked on the 1 inch every shot, aim small miss small, good video tho, late bud!
The centre of 1" is still the center of 4" ;)
@@urgamecshk yes but you are not focusing on the 1 inch you are see just seeing the 4 inch therefore you will can't really see the bullseye of 1inch , try it sometime. Aim small miss small, if you are aiming at 4 you have a bigger target to hit and you can miss bigger!
So true, aim small miss small . An LED light at the center that you can aim at, and rings you can score with but can’t see. We shoot at night at LED finger lights (amazon them they are cheep and bright and last) and use lighted knocks. The target is 80yards and at night is a blast to shoot at. The small pin point light makes us aim small and achieve tighter groups than a standard ringed target
Exactly right, applies equally across all marksmanship types, aim small miss small, they taught us that in '60s Boy Scout marksmanship classes.
If you’re going to shoot small shoot for a dime or match stick. He’s already shooting better than most people. 40 years experience
I’d like to see a the chart showing the improvement! What day on one axis and score on the other
Seriously. I'm so surprised he didn't show that.
I was hoping for the same... he even had it in a spreadsheet already...
Rest of the world: Uses actual numeric values to measure.
US: it’s about the size of a milk cap, a small pancake, and a paper plate.
He did give dimensions as well...
@@rob_over_9000 Sounds like the rest of the world have a problem with paying attention. 😂🇺🇸
You're right, the entire US uses that method. Except me, I us a FITA 40cm target at 18 meters.
Pretty sure it's called the dewy decimal system. But idk, I went to public school.
I watch this video and just think about how amazing the human body is. In just 30 days of actual archery training your body was able to adapt and conform and improve so much! Really cool video man and inspirational also.
Brilliant. Due to the lockdown I’ve attempted 100 per day at 30 yards. Nine days to go. This really helps. Well done Kramer.
How'd you do?
That is what I was wondering
Amazing improvement thank you both. Biggest improvement was in confidence. Consistency improved and I now approach archery (longbow) with less nerves. An invaluable exercise. Take care my friends from the uk.
Dude, you inspired me to do the same. During this whole corona thing everything is closes becouse of corona, even my school (kinda fun). I'v just build my own archery range in my backyard of about 20 yards so this is what I'ma do today. First, build a proper target. Then, wait for my new bowstrings to arrive tomorrow (i'll soon be able to make my own using your string jig design but for now i'll have to do with orders strings). Then, shoot every day 100 arrows. Thanks for inspiring me!
Edit: I've got about the same anchor as you
Good luck
@@albinoblacksheep7826 thx
Build jörg's bow magazine, it'll be good for muscle memory
@@Elric509 probaly, but it's also about the relead
@@cherno2232 of course, whatever you want to improve is valid, personally for me it's more about shooting than performing a specific set of movements, plus it's fun to make stuff that works
Dude. I'm impressed.
I think that many of us should do this. Keep score and track progress.
What you accomplished is amazing.
You moved your group in 30 days what many of us have been working years to do.
But you better not F'ing stop. I want to see that 350 video!
We and your viewers and your fans want to see you succeed!
Keep it up.
8:56 Those arrows are way too stiff for that bow. Be sure to spine arrows correctly. Your accuracy will improve greatly.
No they are good.
@@dominic6634 no they’re not do you see the way they’re fish tailing they’re too much spine.
Agree, over spined arrows
yeah I noticed that throughout the entirety of the video they were immediately flying stiff. Depending on what spine those are, you might wanna try and get a higher spine
My mans. Damn you're candid, I love it. I appreciate it so much. You deserve every sub you have an so many more. You're editing is fantastic and the music is always choice. Keep it up!
This actually inspired me to start shooting my bow a lot more.
Hey Kramer
I'm in southern Spain and started making bows about 4 months ago. It's been a steep learning curve with a share of exploding bows tillering and stringing. With the help of your videos (and Mick Grewcock's UA-cam channel too) I have stuck with it and today!!! For the very first time built a bow (european Oak belly and bamboo back 60" and approx 40lb @28") that, after tillering I almost knew it would string and have a good brace height. It did. No arrow rest no knocks, I've gone old school (at 60 years old I should do). It shoots sweet Kramer, no hand shock and silent. Thank you for your inspiration and help. Andy (Alicante)
Thank you for being true and real. I’ve struggled all my life with archery. I love bow hunting, better hunter then archer. I will do this myself. I think I have attention disorders, the more I think on my form the worse I get. Some days I do great. Most is inconsistent. Love the video.
Well, I now know what I'm going to be doing during this lockdown. Really great video. I love how you've worn down a path to and from your target.
You arrows are coming out way nock right - which means they are too stiff for the bow!
Exactly correct Philip Sutton
That's exactly what I thought. I can't ID nock right but they have no harmonizing wiggle. He'd probably be doing better with something skinnier. They're flying like spears not arrows. They look like they're meant for 60 lb bows not 40.
What about his fingers though? I thought that you are supposed to put your fingers around the arrow not just under it. Index above and middle below. Is that not the case or just a preference thing?
Scott Bub you're referring to "split finger" vs "3 under". Either is fine, can depend on what shooting or aiming style you use.
I appreciate your integrity. It would have been easy to fudge the numbers on the last day. That authenticity is a rare quality these days.
I randomly came across your video on making a bow with polar and drywall tape. Started watching more and more. You have renewed my desire and drive for archery. Thank you.
I hope you keep doing this your fingers arms eyes are all getting muscle memory
5000 year has all traineer know, minimum have 100 000 time do same then you have basic muscular memory this work, but if want best pro muscular memory practice you need do same 300 000time perfects. 100 arrow/day and 1000 day need work then you have good muscular memory, minimum have 100 000 time do same. but need do perfect right alltime.if do ewerytime different not come good muscular memory. come only shit. all today good sport trainee know thats, same methor than japanese uses 5000 before. thats working true.
@@mattivirta where are you from?
This seems like me. I have only been shooting for a month, well only into archery in general for a month.
When I get a decent group I turn around and shoot all over the place right after.
Dude this is me too. After 2 weeks of beginning archery at home, i hit all my 6 arrows in gold (only 7 yards from target since im in my backyard and still a noobie). After that it went all over
Im in the same boat with yall learning a traditional bow. Using my quarantine time to learn.
What bows are you all starting with? Ive veiwed Krammer's recommendation starter bow, but still looking around just in case.
@@obant I'm using a Titan 66inch recurve takedown I got from Hi-tech archery near fullerton in California. I can't seem to find it on other websites. Samick sage is obviously the most popular one. But if archery is something you are really interested it, buy a bow you like. I like my bow, but it's not my first pick. I wasn't able to go into a store due to quarantine so I just went with this for now.
@@JRNNRJJRN Oh nice, Im actually really close to there. I'll check it out when this pandemic thing blows over.
I came across your channel today and this was my exact same thoughts about making bows. You end up spending all your time making them and not enough time shooting them. I was making bows out of pvc but never tried my hand at a wood bow, well now I am much more into woodworking so I think its time. Thanks for the great content!
Having been an archery for over 50 years, I recommend a warm-up routine to ready the body and prepare the mind, I've found this simple few minutes spent helps make that first and last shot consistent. Keep the bow in hand for life, you'll not regret it.
You said “wooden bow(s)”
If using multiple bows how are you measuring consistency?
Hi mate, I see something you were doing that was very inconsistant. I will try to explain.... its about string torque... grab your string between your fingers and twist it, then release.... what happens? Yep it will twist back to its original position. Now imagine that under stress..... sideways torque will produce stray arrows consistantly....
Personally, I place my arrow on the rest, pull arrow back to string, and anchor. Watch avatar or a video on horseback archery... paying close attention to their loading arrow.
Hope this helps mate. Happy archery.
I've been having the stray arrow problem and now I know why. I thought it was a matter of concentration, but I've been loading my arrows with the head out to my left (90 degrees) then turning the arrow onto the rest which is twisting the string at least a quarter turn. Now I just have to wait until the sun comes up to try out your fix. Thanks!
@@chrispolasky Glad I could help David. Cheers m8.... Let me know how it goes....
@@jeffkelly2793 Big difference! My grouping was noticeably tighter even though it is really windy today. Thanks!
@@chrispolasky Awesome.
My son and I did 100 each this afternoon inspired by you. We did ten at a time. We both showed incremental improvement and my kid has done so well as he finally settled in and stuck with it and gained confidence with the bow. Sore fingers but very worthwhile!
The best thing is that you show a huge improvement! Great work and great video! Keep up the good work!
Love your vids making my first homemade bow using your vids to help
Huh, I've been doing 100 every day too. With a different bow each time.
Hi, you need to do video on that bro.
And of course I'm subbed to you, you were the first UA-camr I watched when I first got into archery 🏹
That's a lot of bows
Well done! Not going to bother with archery "form/equipment" comments as you've no doubt got PLENTY of those below. I want to congratulate you on evaluating yourself, making a commitment to improve and having the conviction to stick with it. You're obviously a far better archer and you continued commitment will just lead to greater enjoyment as a shooter. I hope so many take this to heart, and practice. To shoot better, you have to shoot, not just talk about it or watch videos of others shooting. Very real journey and I thank you for sharing it
My daughter walked in and asked what I was watching.. I just used your video to back up what I have always told her. Practice, practice, practice to get better. Great video!
Great video. I noticed, in a slow mo that had your release, just before the release, you drop your hand forward a bit. One of the things I was very interested in was how did your fingers hold up?
“How do you get to Carnegie Hall......?”
Keep shooting. 😂
This is so inspiring to me and I relate to so much. How I found archery, a slightly long story so I don't blame anyone if they can't be bothered to read this.
I went to look at an air rifle private sale. The guy didn't even know what make it was. It was a cheap and nasty Chinese break barrel. I wasn't interested but I noticed a mid sized suitcase type hard case with archery related stickers on it and asked what was in there, "if you don't mind". He said a bow, his brother's recurve kit and as he'd moved overseas he was selling the rifle and the bow for him. I took a look at the bow and it was an aluminium riser job with all the kit, sights, clicker, plunger, weights on carbon rods, 18 x carbon fibre arrows (Easton A/C/C 620 spine), tab, arm brace, square for measuring brace height, a couple of strings, a stringer, 40# limbs and other bits and bobs. I didn't want the rifle but I liked the look of the bow. I knew absolutely nothing about archery but I could see the kit wasn't junk like the rifle was. I asked him how much and he said "£120 for the bow and everything with it". I was already thinking I was looking at three times that amount when he quickly said "£150 and you can take both bow and rifle." so I jumped at it. I've barely shot the Chinese air rifle as I have lots of much nicer ones but I started researching the bow after I bought it. It's an SF (Super Forged) 66-68" aluminium riser made in Korea with 40# SF carbon/foam limbs. The arrows were tuned to the bow and was set up for a 28" draw which turned out to be my draw length. I shot it a bit for a few months in the garden but lost interest and carried on with my air guns.
To cut this long story shorter, this modern kit didn't really appeal to me so I researched traditional archery. I ended up buying a Bear Montana 40# and practice a few dozen arrows most days in my back yard at 15 and 20 yards. I have scope to extend out to 30 yards which I will do this summer. I love shooting this traditional bow with Gold Tip Traditional 600 spine 28" arrows and I'm messing around with various weight points. The ones I ordered last time came with 85 gain combo points and they shoot true so I might stick with those for now.
I shoot at a plastic 300ml bottle dangling from a string at 15 and 20 yards and on a good day I can hit it 2 out of 3 times. Sometimes (often!) there is a flier which ruins my group. I shoot best when I don't think too hard, stare at the target all the way through the shot and past my follow-through. When I introduce new form I shoot terribly but I know I must work on form to hit that target 3/3 every time though.
I have had my Bear Montana for 3 seasons now and I never get bored with shooting it.
Another excellent video as always Kramer. Congratulations on 60k subs! I'm so glad you've got the recognition you deserve, hopefully you'll hit 100k in no time.
A couple of comments on the vid, all of which you covered already. Firstly your arrows come out of the bow very tail right which indicates too stiff spine, you could strip an arrow to bareshaft to confirm. You should consider numbering your arrows if you haven't already, especially with the cheaper Chinese arrows. Nothing wrong with them, I own a few sets for taking in the woods, but they aren't the most consistent batches. Once you've numbered them you could see a couple are always the flyers. Nock tuning them (rotating nock to test each feather as cock) can bring the groups tighter as the shafts are not spine aligned before fletching. I always order mine unfletched so I can measure and get the consistent as possible, they still send the components seperately.
On form; your upper body posture looks solid, but your hips and leg position changes shot to shot which can shift your center of gravity a lot. You should try and work locking your hips into your shot process. Also the "pluck" you mentioned is becuase you lose back tension when you hit full draw, it looks like you are 'holding' to aim, try and make sure you are always expanding slowly through the release. 'Holding' tension is fake tension, like tensing a bicip without picking something up, your brain just fires up your tricep automatically to stop you punching yourself in the face. The same thing happens in your back, and it causes a collapse in the shot. Imagine what your arm would do if your string snapped just before full draw, that should be what your follow through feels like, it happens to you due to correct tension rather than you actively doing something. Hope that makes sense..
Anyway thanks for the quality content as always, stay blessed.
I find I'm more consistent when my string hand remains on my head, after the release...
I tried shooting 15 days straight, but noticed I was heading towards an Overuse Injury.
Treat it like the gym, reduce overall volume and add rest days
Hey mate, I used a coke bottle cap from about the same distance when I was shooting at my local range when I had a compound bow. I discovered that I was better off aiming while the bow was down, then looking down as I drew but raising my aim and bow as I drew and then releasing within a second or two of full draw. I lifted and drew the bow calmly, but aimed and shot quickly. It improved my accuracy 100 fold in about 3 weeks.
I converted this to Archery from a video of a Harlem Globetrotter instructing a reporter on how he always swished a shot and how the brain aims better from some type of short term memory glancing technique. Nice grouping dude.
For me, i've found if i don't overthink about where i'm shooting too much, and let my brain naturally aim for me i get much better consistency with every half dozen arrows. At first i was focusing so much on the little circle on my target i wasn't paying attention to other things like my anchor. Little tip for people who want to be more consistent shooting arrows and this can be done with the bow unstrung.
Take your bow, and 1 arrow...
practice putting the arrow on the shelf/rest, then "drawing" to your cheek so that you look down the arrow to the point.
then mentally take your shot.
Arrow off of rest/shelf.
Put the arrow on the rest/shelf.
Draw to where you see down the shaft of the arrow.
Mentally take the shot.
Keep doing this over and over again without firing one single arrow into a target. This teaches your body and mind the muscle memory needed to be consistent. Make sure the nock is in the same place each time, and you're looking straight down the arrow to the point. Once you've mastered this to a degree.... the actual shooting should come easier as you naturally do this. To take it a step further, do this... while you're looking down the arrow shaft, point the tip at something you would maybe shoot, a vase, a ball on the floor, the dog... practice lining up your shots without firing first, then when you do come to loosing arrows the mental work is pretty much done and you can focus on the strength side of archery.
Thoroughly enjoyed the progression and the honesty at the finish line. Love the enthusiasm and notable improvement. I'm inspired.
I shoot a catapult/slingshot competitively so I have spent alot of time practicing and over the years I have noticed you get to a point where you start over analysing your shots and your groups start to deteriorate. I swap my frame for a day or so then go back to my preferred catapult and the break somehow resets me and my shooting starts to improve again.
Shooting a catapult is very similar to shooting a bow and your videos have got me thinking I may try archery. Thanks for taking the time 👍
You've motivated me, sir. I just got into archery maybe about December 2019 and I've had some ups and downs. I very much enjoy it so if you don't mind I'd like to make a similar video for my channel. I don't think I can do 100 shots a day lol but maybe 50 to 75 over a month and see where it takes me.
@willl 88 yeah I totally messed up. I knew better than to start heavy but the Marine in me over road logic and I went with a 50 pounder instead of waiting for the lighter weights to become available for purchase again. I've become used to the weight. I actually shoot 60 now. I don't think I'll go higher then that. I believe I have good form. However, my issue as of late is I just release the arrow without waiting to aim. Feels like target panic. I tell myself to wait and aim in and when I do hold back the urge to let go I get great shots at about 40 yards. I need to learn to fight the urge to release prematurely. (Lol.... prematurely.)
I feel you're overdoing technical aspects of shooting by tallying numbers and having concerns of grouping. Just find your form and get your muscle memory and instincts to start developing.
As for targets, go try just using a spot the size of a baseball or softball and no outer rings. That will help you focus on one thing, that is hitting that spot. Good luck.
as a competitive archer (5th i the nation i know what i’m talking about) i have a few tips for you. 1) you seem very hunched over. posture will make your arrows fly a bit straighter. 2) try releasing to your ear. you seem to like anchoring high, so make your release point higher too. 3) make sure your bow it straight up and down. your bow needs good posture too! 4) make sure the arm that is holding your bow stays extremely still while you are aiming and releasing. every little movement is magnified the farther back you go. 5) sloooooooooow. give yourself time to anchor, aim, expand, check that everything feels right, and then release. you have to hold at draw for much longer. 6) expand more. after you have anchored and aimed make sure you expand. this will give you more power. (expansion is squeezing your shoulder blades together. imagine you are holding an orange between your shoulder blades and you can’t let it drop.) 7) make sure your stance is correct. mark a line on the ground and put one foot behind it and one foot in front. no touching the line though. shoulder width apart, foot closest to the target half a step back and tilted toward the target at a 45 degree angle. 8) make sure you’re aiming in the same place every time.
great improvement! keep up the good work!
ps sorry this was so long
Bought my first bow a week ago, shooting in my garden in Scotland 🏴. I’m enjoying a lot of videos about archery and learning loads. I enjoyed your vid, Shooting 15m, max size of garden so can’t progress to longer distances. Cheers 🍻😎
It’s all about the anchor man. I’ve been shooting for about a year and I won a 3D shoot before I had surgery. I probably have the worst “form,” ever. I cant the bow, I shoot split finger, I shoot instinctive, but I shot 28/30 and I won the 39 yard shoot off cause everything was so consistent.
A master of the wrong form is still master of a form :)
I was waiting for him to say “ day one hour zero “
Great video, wonderful documentation of your progress. Your progression is pretty inspiring. Prior to the pandemic shutting everything down, I was hired by a local Renaissance Festival to portray Robin Hood, and for the last couple months I've been working with a local youth coach on form, so to see you improve so much is such a short timeframe is awesome. Keep up the fantastic work.
It's really encouraging to see you improve your shooting day after day!
It looks like you may be dropping your arm too quickly on your follow through. Release, and hold the bow in the same position and watch it all the way to the target. Then let your arm drop.
I was sad that you didn't reach your goal at the end yet satisfied for you. Imagine what the grouping will look like in another 30 :)
Yes --- this. It's not about perfection -- it's about progress. I'm new to archery, and am not happy with my accuracy either. Some days are better than others. But I'm a better shot today than three weeks ago. It's good to see some more experienced archers providing more encouragement than judgment.
Hey so I have actually been doing this as well. I'm two weeks in. I haven't shot properly in about two years. I've gone from only hitting the target maybe two out of ten to all my shots landing on my 40cm target at 18 metres with my 40# Scythian horse bow. This was really cool to see someone else doing it. Great work man!
When I was 18 I would shoot for an hour a day after work and would sometime spend my lunch break practicing as well when the job site allowed me to bring my target. I noticed a huge improvement at around the 3 month mark of doing this steadily. Make sure your stance is identical every time. Start at your toes and think through every joint as you prep your shot and get ready to draw. A lot of archers forget about there lower body and it is the easiest thing to make consistent. Great shooting, running across your channel today inspired me to get the bow project out of the closet and finish it!
@@kramerammonsarchery Thank you for sharing your love for the art.
You should try to set up a few targets at different distances and shoot at them randomly because if you shoot only at one target you start relying on your first shot as a sighting shot to determine your aim instead of getting your aim instinctive.
Well, you know, as they said, practicing alone only reinforce mistake, unless you can address your mistake yourself.
I agree!
I also agree! Better to shoot 10 Perfect shots, than 100 bad ones.
I had a friend who built bows for years. He only had one eye but could shoot stupid good. He told me his secret. Build a box around your target, put a candle in it. Practice every night shooting at the flame. It will teach you the tunnel vision focus moment that puts it on a nickel every time. He also did not aim and then draw, he drew aimed and shot in under three seconds every time.
Good luck and keep at it! Love your builds and non pretensive way. Keep it up.
I’m intrigued to see how well you would improve using arrows built for you and your bow. Balanced right, correct spine, correct helical, etc. With consistent arrow flight, your bow starts doing most of the work for you. I would really like to see how much you improve in a month on those arrows once you send them downrange!
mmmmm.... with this training I think the arrows are not the “350” perfect fit for your bow
3 arrows is so meditative. I carry them on the shooting hand, just like uncle Lars :P
this was fun to watch. I shoot instinctive like you. What you were talking about with groups describes me. I just pulled out my (recurve) bow after not shooting all winter here in Upstate NY.....TERRIBLE! Turned out my knocking point was high on the string by maybe 1/4". I was shooting under the target. Then things got wild until I fixed the problem and then settled into 10" groups.....maybe roughly 50 shots total. Last fall I was shooting 4"-6" groups which is really fun. I do notice usually one arrow ends up outside of the group....almost always. It's me. I refuse to put sights on my recurve. By the way shooting your home made bow that many times (it looks great in the video!) is an amazing testament to your bow building! Thanks!
Just got a recurve bow a month ago, haven't improved mush since I first started shooting, but this video has been inspiring, and I want to attempt something like this before next summer, so wish me luck please!
I'm astounded by anyone whom can accurately shoot a stick bow. It aint easy. I prefer a bow with training wheels and pins.
I've never actually shot anything but primitive bows; they just look and feel better to me, modern stuff just doesn't appeal at all (aesthetically and challenge-wise).
@@Hedgehog1039 Yes I understand. The challenge is exactly the same. Small groups being maintained at a greater distance. For me the appeal of a bow with training wheels was for hunting with greater speed and accuracy over short (No more than 30 meters for me) distances. Only quick clean kills should be accepted by individual hunters. I too love stick bows but I personally would not care to hunt with one over 15 meter range. And I've never hunted with one.
@@hopefilledsinner3911 get yourself an English war bow and kill moose from as fsr away as you like
@@duncle1253 you get yourself an English warbow and try to shoot a basketball sized target everytime from 40 yards that represents your moose heart and lung quick kill zone and get back to me.
@@hopefilledsinner3911 see there's yer problem you need 150 good men to rain death from above kilking all in the surrounding area... Dont mayter about kill shots with 10 arrows in you! Im joking btw ive never hunted and im ignorant in the subject butt i do know that long bows were just for firing at clumps of men in the distance not a precise target
Arrow tuning my boi, bare shaft tuning . Looks like in the slow mo those arrows are not tuned to the bow
Agreed. Arrows look too weak. Bare shaft tune and get a little closer. But not until your form is set and consistent.
You’re obviously doing fine and have been getting a lot of good (and some not-so-helpful) advice, so I’ll just share my favorite golden nugget from when I shot competitions and became certified to coach NASP. Archery is mostly a mind game.
You may have scored a bit higher if you hadn’t distracted yourself by trying to entertain the camera and narrate in the middle of an end.
When I was training for competitions, my coach would emphasize the mental discipline training almost as much (if not more) than the physical shooting training. We were told to use a string bow to practice form and muscle memory for hours at home when we couldn’t actually shoot. The key to making this work was to fully imagine you are shooting and hitting the dead center of the bullseye EVERY SINGLE TIME. This conditions you to focus on nothing but perfection and keeps you from getting excited and distracted when you realize you are doing well.
The next aspect of the mental game is to imagine nothing else in the world exists but the bullseye. There is no bow, no arrow, no score. Your muscle memory will load and shoot the bow, not your brain. Once you have released, forget the arrow even exists, and finish your follow through focusing on the bullseye (whether you hit it or not). Think of nothing else until you reach for another arrow and find they are gone.
Really nice narrative with great pictures! Even the slight failure was very enjoying to watch. At the end there were 30 days in the woods, breathig fresh air and the dedication to the task. And it 's a great advertizing for your business, wich brings that same opportunity for the customer. Well done!
It's as they say:
100 arrows a day keeps the archery coach away
The Blue Bowman
It keeps Robin Hood away
@@josephhaddad4842 if you shoot all 100 in one go, your gonne get ALLOT of robbin hoods
@@josephhaddad4842 also, don't bother. Robin Hood can't be kept away. He wil always find a way to get you ....
Nice, dont make my mistake and make sure you start back up with a low poundage bow like 30-35# and work your way up
@@jake4194 laughs in #60
Keeping it honest and positive throughout......inspiring!
A follow-up where you graph out your changes and improvement would be helpful. Especially if you talk about changes you made along the way and showed how that affected your performance. Please consider doing this for those of us looking to improve. GREAT WORK!!! Feel good about what you have accomplished. I encourage you to try again with some changes. Use the same bow the entire time, focus on form development along with consistency, have enough arrows that you make fewer trips to the target, do simple weigh training to balance and increase strength. I was so impressed by this that I subscribed!!
Great work! I don't know if you have any education on filmmaking but this is a full fledged documentary. You kept us interested and on the edge with the reasonably set goal. Archery, which I practice aswell, was just a fun instrument here. Your true talent lies in filmmaking. Your videography needs working but storytelling is spot on! Congratulations!
Nicely done! I just bought a bag target so I can work on my shot cycle in the garage during this lock down. What I love about archery is that there is enough success to keep you coming back and enough failure to keep you humble.
I'm not an archer, but a data analyst.
Look at the overall trend rather than individual scores. It appears that you started around the low 200s and ended up in the low 300s - a 100pt improvement. But if you graph your daily scores and look at the trendline, you should see your progress over time. The question now, is if you were to continue 100-shots/day, would you continue to progress at the same pace, or would you reach a point where gains are not as drastic? I think two other commenters have made some very valid coaching advice - don't chase scores and aim small/miss small.
Keep up the good work!!!
I just started on the archery adventure. 50 lb and 45 lb recurves. Day 1 shot about 300 arrows (i'm like that when I start learning new things). Shot groups of 12 arrows. Average 7 on target about the size of yours... and 5 off.
Took about two weeks for my string fingers and inner arm to recover but got right back at it. ...after watching a few videos.
Limited the session to 200 arrows. Went with the 45lb. 10/12 in scoring range. Very few off target at all. Never hit my arm with the string once and kept the skin on my fingers.
Looking forward to getting back at it this weekend.
About the time I wanted to comment "your arrows aren't tuned" you fixed it. Nicely done! Great video!
thank you for not lieing in the video, being honest about it, congrats man, liked and subscribed for video quality, entertainment and being honest with results!!!
Hey, wanted to say on a side note, the video was really good, good pacing and breaks of chatting and then the b roll. I found myself feeling for you on those 'last three shots' when the one went far off. I said out loud "Nooo... damn." So, basically, well edited and stuff. I'm hoping to get into archery when things calm down so I've been checking out videos to learn.
I'd love to see a graph from the excel document. Great job, inspired me for sure!
Great experiment... I've only been practicing archery for two months and I'm also experimenting with different setups and techniques, but only the number of shots gives results. Thanks for this video…I enjoyed watching it
The editing and music choice and your delivery were very enjoyable to watch. I think this is the first UA-cam video I casually clicked on then could not stop watching. Great work and great information. Thank you!
Great video! I know that was alot of work. Enjoyed it!
Thanks brother, only joined the channel a few weeks back. Love your energy.
Thanks to you I've been kept sane during these hard times stuck at home 24/7.
I've made a bow 😁 well almost. It's a 65in flat bow mad from an ash 3/4.
Just to file the notches today and look for something I can use for bow string.
When it's finished I'd love to send you a picture.
All hand carved with a butter knife and that's it. No tools no measurements no nothing. 😅 It's all I had at home.
Excellent video, I did something similar last summer in prep for deer season. I was shooting a compound bow with sights, but I backed up to 80 yards and used a spot on my sight's rim as a pin. So basically a totally different setup, but the same goal, just to see how much I could improve. I know you didn't quite hit your numerical goal, but I'm sure you felt the difference in how well you were shooting and your strength from day 1 to day 30. (To be clear, though I got to the point where my accuracy would have allowed for a lethal shot at a deer in clear shooting conditions, that was not the reason for shooting at that distance and it's not a shot I would ever feel comfortable taking in real life.)
Dude, that’s some major improvement. I’d be stoked to consistently score over 300. As they say, it’s a marathon and all that. Thanks for sharing, friend.
Hey man. We are inspired by your dedication. Additionally, once you are put under stress, that is when the practice really shows off.
Your challenge inspired me to do my own challenge. I have started shooting my bow every day during lunch at my shop. I have a target at both ends of the shop. It’s 85’ so it’s a good distance.
My bow is a Fred Bear Tamerlane recurve bow. The bow has never felt as good as it does now. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks Kramer. Very inspirational. I'll give this a shot myself. My consistency is trash with my current set up. Appreciate your content as always.
I liked this video...a lot. I usually won't watch videos that are longer than 8 minutes, but I found this well edited and interesting. It was also an educational video about practice and technique. Nicely done.
I love this sort of thing an experiment is much more valuable than any amount of speculation.
Great stuff Kramer. Under lockdown in England, but luckily I have a big garden!
insane improvment! congrats! the will to get better is real
Great video! The slow-mo arrow shots are fantastic!
Loved it! Bare shaft tuning helped me as much as anything...but still constantly adjusting!
Thank you for taking us along. I'm just starting out in both archery and bow and arrow making. Thinking I need to by some good consistent equipment to work on the shooting.