Can an OLDSCHOOL windsurfing sail WIN at modern WORLD CUP level?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2022
- Can you actually win at World Cup level on a 1990s Old School Sail? And one of the best ones from the entire 90s... Let’s find out!
This time I’m testing out the 1996 Neilpryde VX3 Windsurfing sail and seeing how it can perform in a real competition. I will be comparing it to the current racing gear, having a look at the differences and similarities and seeing what it’s actually like to sail it in some real-life heats with real-life PWA World Cup superstars.
The video was shot in Tenerife during TWS Slalom Training.
Guest starring: Matteo Iachino, Enrico Marotti, Jordy Vonk, Bruno Martini, Rytis Jasiunas and more..
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Now all sailmakers should tip you for this video because you showed the huge difference between new and old sails.
Yea they didnt mess around for 25 years after all 😅
Huge? It seems that he didn't run last with an old sail - and he didn't have hours of practise in getting used to the subtle differences in the older gear.
Nice test! On this level there was no doubt in my mind that the old sail would be competitive. However at freeride / free race level it still works fine a lot of the time. There is something special about blasting past someone who invested a small fortune in the newest gear while you ride on your €50,- board and a sail that is held together with duct tape.
When I was 20 to 25 I used to spend all my money on the best and latest sails and I had great fun.
30 years later I'm buying year 2000 second hand gear that suits my style fine.
The sport has evolved and I'm comfortable with old gear.
As you say - I often blast past much more modern gear.
@@user-oe1mb9hu9i he hecho lo mismo y fue cuando realmente obtuve progreso, si hoy pudiese navegar lo haría con aquellos viejos equipamientos, recuerdas las A.R.T sails?
That VX 3 SAIL looks pretty damn modern to me.
Says the kid brought up on a Windsurfer Regatta (188457) at the start of the eighties and had his first foot strap board 40 years ago. And a fully battened sail at the end of the Eighties….
So glad you’re back doing these videos again!! 🤙
me too!
I literally watched the board video a few days ago just to remind myself of how good it was and you bring out another banger
Banger is a big word but thanks :)
Great comparasion Maciek...keep ém coming....🏆
I still have that same sail. Its got a special place in my heart, because i was born 1997
Cool tricks - swapping the sails during the jibe 😉
This VX3 is in really good condition! I have a NP VX2 sail and ride it with Mistral SLE "carrot" board just few times per year. This experience sharpens reflexes well and allows to move the limits forward on my modern gear. Like sitting from an old raw sports car into modern vehicle with ABS, TCS, etc...
Your killing it man...
Awesome. Congratulations from Brazil!
Very interesting video, especially as I have just done the Defi in Gruissan mostly using a sail from the late 90's.....
I think I need to save up for some newer Sails!
If you are looking to be competitive, yes. If you are content with your speed, No.
very cool video, some history
Nice video man
The VX3 did look less loose in the top section as compared to the newer sail. So the older sail naturally develops more drag in gust conditions as compared to a modern sail. In gusts the laminar wind flow tends to get ripped off the leech, if the leech doesn't flex at the right level.
I wonder how that older sail would have behaved with a mast with a different flex in the top.
😁😁 awesome!! loved this vídeo!! more please!! 👏👏🙏🙏
Next week. And then the next. And then the one after that 🤪
@@MaciekRutkowski 😱😱😁😁
Good video. Looks like hard work!
windsurfing? nah ITS FUN!!
Hi Maciek!!! It's very interesting the comparisons you did with the Mistral SLE and now with the Neilpryde VX3. Perhaps it will be necesary testing all the package complete. Sails design always was together boards design. Probably new equipements could be faster than nineties ones and surely are more early planning and easier to sail. Twenty five years couldn't have passed without gotten better performances. But, for me, the question is: In good conditions, 18 knots or more, flat or choppy water, and a slalom course similar to the nineties , the results would be so differents. I think old school equipment like you test it's still amazing in their own conditions.
Имею старый нейлпрайд с 3 камберами, заменил все окна, весьма тяговитый парус, с хаоактером, для реальных мужчин)
That was very interesting thanks for doing it. What mast did you use? Looks very stiff compared to what is being used today. How much influence has mast flex played into it?
Very interesting comparison
nice comparison!
Sweet vid well done... Were the conditions right for the 7m vx3? I reckon you wanted the 7.4 with more downhaul!
These were the last sails I used before a 20 Yr break from the sport to get the best from them you definitely wanted to be hanging on for dear life 🤣
Great video, nicely edited!!! A bit more skills then us, hahaha
In editing? 🤪
@@MaciekRutkowski Both, hahahaha. We are just a bunch of amatures who like to have a lot of fun on the water. In the meanwhile we try to get our skills better and better. Ok, the young ones are a bit quicker with the development then us oldies :-)))). Still on the program, a workshop with Jordy Vonk. In the meanwhile we also like to share our experiences via UA-cam and keep on having fun.
Great vídeo 😂
Awesome, I currently sail a 25yo+ wave sail. Best sail ever made! Anyway, onto a few questions... what mast did you use? Is that the size you would have used, like were you maxed out? How much time did you have to tune the sail?
Did it look for you, as if he was maxed out?
Wooow Maciek, pretty cool video for a 54 year old windsurfer.😂😂😂🤘, we most certainly did a lot of wrong things the last 25 years 😅😅😅😅, but not the sailmakers as it seems 💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙good luck and have wind 💨💨💨
Hi Maciek is it still worth to buy 13 years old sail nelpryde tempo (very good condition) for someone who come back to windsurfing after very long break and don't have fortune for brand new equipment???
This is so cool Maciek! I put a remark about using an old school rig in the comments of your video with the orange Mistral. Nice one👍🏻 I got a 1991 Tiga Slalom 270 in full carbon in the garage. So if you want to go into Anders Bringdal mode…..?
hmmm why not! love Anders! :)
@@MaciekRutkowski if you are in NL😎?
Very interesting
Great vid. Fun to see the differens and it looked nice but you raced in slomo to the others😆
It looked like he was spilling wind to let the new sails past. He didn't look committed.
@@chrisdyer6370 YES!! I think so too!!!
cool video
This NP is not bad - and still valid sail
not bad at all. just. bit slow :)
Great comparison - thanks for making this for our entertainment.
Question: what mast did you use? And how much of what is an obvious performance difference is due to the mast? Masts and sails have evolved in parallel, with reflex response times getting faster, bend curves getting deeper….And a lot of masts were broken along the way….!
Yes you’re 100% right… thats why I used a modern 100% carbon mast 😁
I think the old sails are actually better on the low end. I can plane with my Neilpryde Z1 from 1998 in size 7,8 way earlier than with my brand new Neilpryde Evo 12 in size 8,2. But if the wind is strong and you tend to be overpowered and compare acceleration, top speed and control in those conditions it is a different game. Here the new sails come into play. Since the typical amateur slalom sailor will mostly sail in conditions with low wind speeds the benefits of the top sails will not be visible to him. Even the contrary is likely too happen: he will be planning less and has less fun on the water with the new sails. A worldcup salolm sail from the 90s is rather like a freerace sail from today.
Yep, the typical amateur sails at a different level, in different conditions, and therefore a different sail may easily be better.I was never a great slalom sailor but back in the '80s I got =17th in the worlds, and it was always funny watching guys at my local beach "rig it just like Bjorn" when they weren't sailing just like Bjorn. The amateur spends more time sailing slowly, is often in gustier winds, uses a smaller sail size, etc, and therefore cannot be properly compared to a pro.
Yes, and nowadays sais are heavier, and if you have to use bigger sail, then even more so. And these modern mast sleeves, no fun swim with.
Love this video. after the Orange Mistral now a top sail from the past.
What should be next? :)
@@MaciekRutkowski A fin from the past? Tectonics or Deboichet vs what do You use now, Techarts?
@@AlexeyGimadiev tectonics and Deboichet are already 2000s… North Shore Maui or something like that… 😅 vs Carpenter, Z etc - not a very fair fight ☠️
@@MaciekRutkowski Test an old slalom sail with an old slalom board together. That's the complete picture.
@@Funkphenomena i wanted to give them a chance 🤷🏼♂️😅
Aside from the fact that the whole fleet passed you, it would have been interesting to see the delta between the first place sailor and where you came, like in a 6min. race, did they beat you by 10sec / 20sec/ 30 sec / etc. That would tell us more about the actual increase in performance as a percentage. Another interesting thing about these old sails, I have a set of 4 VX1's from 6.0 to 7.3 : They are perfect for foiling, all the new 'dedicated' foiling sails are going high AR and getting closer to the old sails in design.
yea not a bad idea, bring some more data into the fold
My thoughts exactly! It would be interesting to test on foil board against new designs. This was no contest.
Ho navigato con NP VX 6.0 e Fanatic ultra ray 276 100lt mi sembrava veloce ma difficile strambare, poi sono passato a RRD frestyle
All my gear is old I still blast everyone on there modern gear. Internal satisfaction
You should come to Tenerife :))))
Cool comparison! So what the biggest changes in 25 years if you had to pick one : sail or board ?
If you put an old sail on a new board you’re comfortable but slow, when you put a new sail on an old board you’re half-fast but uncomfortable and cannot jibe and if you put an old fin on modern board and sail your slow and uncomfortable 🤷🏼♂️ so its a „pick your poison” situation i guess 😂
@@MaciekRutkowski i'm more concerned about the old guy on the new kit scenario😂
@@adambrickley1119 hmm give me 20 years ill give you the answer 🤪
Could you pls do a video comparing an old vs new medium wind slalomboard. Narrow vs Wide and then not only focus on speed and planing but on how much fun it is as well ?
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…just realised all my sails are 35 years old!
But, do wonder if you took the time to get the older sail set up optimally
I didn't take 35 years that's for sure!! I didn't prepare like I prepare for World Cups, but I did spend a fair amount tho and the sail felt really nice so that's usually a good sign and it's not like I had my regular sail on my racing mast with tuned battens etc etc, so I'd say its a pretty decent comparison. Did I convince you to upgrade? 😁
maybe 7.0 is a bit too small, no ? I recently bought a Z1 7.4 from 1998, i guess it will be a super freeride sail (for my 119 modern freeride board)
Was it the weight of the sail? Stiffness of mast ? Too many cams? Why it was slower ? 👍it still look fun🍻
I think its mostly about how the power is generated. The big mastsleeve creates a huge pressure difference = power, so then you dont need a lot of shaping at the back of the sail and it can release well, you can have more loose leech. On the old sail the sleeve doesnt create as much power so the leech needs to be tight and shaping goes all the way back creating a bit of a „handbrake”, but otherwise the sail wouldnt have power and wouldnt trim the board.
In one word: EVOLUTION 🤪
Try a Fivestar sail with styrofoam mastsleeve its was very powerful and you got sometimes banged down into the water because the draft moved when got overpowered
sounds interesting! any idea where I can get one??
@@MaciekRutkowski ua-cam.com/video/PtXajN1m4Zk/v-deo.html
@@MaciekRutkowski I have several Fivestar Sails.. Wave wings, Speed Wings and Speedcupline. Where I had good fun with a Fivestar Sails Speedcupline last week:
ua-cam.com/video/UXfYqVXthy8/v-deo.html
@Maciek Rutkowski dude! I love your podcasts, and these videos!! you do an amazing job. ( who should I contact for sponsoring? send me DM)
I come from those old days, my brother still has an ON Slalom Medium from 1992 ;-) The fun is, that if you can sail and gybe those boards you can sail properly ;-)
But truth is that I was a very disappointed in the difference. You seemed a bit underpowered, but if we go back 25 years, that's a LONG time. I feel progress is really really slow in windsurfing. In Wingfoiling each new Wing is hugely better. In windsurfing details are supersmall nowadays. I feel that's a problem for the market. Why buy new stuff if second hand the stuff is almost as fast. Back in the days when I was sponsored there were some bigger changes in equipment. I once had a racesail with 7 cambers, each batten had a camber. Hot Sails Maui SR1 I believe. horrible sail....lasted only 1 seaon. But I feel since 2010 the difference are getting slower and slower. It must be a challenge for the brands.
Next test? maybe old gear on downwind speedruns with GPS. Highly popular here in the Netherlands. I had a THommen 270, 52 wide I believe. My 1 board back than, sailing it from 6.5 to 4.5....
For sure its natural that the longer the evolution goes the smaller and more detail oriented the changes are. Thats why you cannot compare to wingding which is 4 years old.. Having said that if I take a sail from 2010 you have absolutely no chance against todays stuff plus you’re gonna brake your back downhauling thething there was so much luffcurve 😂 But for sure I see your point and thanks for the feedback!
How do I send DM on UA-cam?? 😂😂
Yes, on same, and every brand: -89 and -91 sail were totally different to each other, changes were big.
I realized I must renewal my 20yrs old sail too.
ok, ok, old gear isn’t as fast as the newest shit out there… but oh boy is it fun. I genuinely love to take some random old gear and to mess around with it, mixing it with new gear and everything and I think that’s the most fun you can get 👀
Precisely the reason I made this video! :)
@@MaciekRutkowski I once tried an ‘80s sail with the foil and it was super fun, you should try it! Great video btw, great to see you’re back on youtube 🤙
VX3 SEEM UNDERPOWERED, SMALL?
When did you film this? Looks like 2021 🤣
when u are looking to upgrade this is the video your partner needs to see to understand why haha
„Braking up marriages since 2020” 😅
What’s your windsurfing UA-cam vloger tier list? 👀
haha not sure actually! I like some stuff from each one but I'm not 100% satisfied with either 😁 Nico Prien has amazing footage and some good ideas but I miss a bit of "meat" in there. Like the "One" series from PWA was what I would love to do, but I felt it didn't show the full picture in fear of maybe offending some people or whatever and it skipped some storylines I find interesting personally. But everything is very polished and just done well technically, which is very hard to do if you put out consistant content. The other German guys are focused on tutorials and more "freeridy" stuff which is cool and needed, but not something that gets me too excited - probably to my disadvantage as it get views haha. Obviously Ben has some amazing stuff with Windsurfing.tv and hopefully he can grow that because I know he has some sick sick ideas just misses a bit of manpower and time to execute them. I love Laufer but I'm not able to sit thru 20min of GoPro footage - sorry :) I live that stuff everyday, don't want to come back home and watch it. Paul van Bellen is a fuckin king for digging up a lot of the old stuff and publishing it, his channel is a bible of windsurfing and then some of the stuff he does by himself in Aus is pretty cool too. Rytis can have some amazing GoPro footage and sometimes gives the "meat" I was talking about, but again its sometimes boring FOR ME to sit thru what I just lived few hours earlier. Does Kai Lenny count as a windsurfing UA-camr? :) Love his shit for sure! And the Marcilio Browne's windsurfing is unmatched I can watch that on repeat, not much behind the scenes stuff but I don't care! Wish him and Ricardo dropped stuff more often, for sure! Anyone I'm forgetting? :)
Oh and give me your list!! Maybe I'm missing someone!
@@MaciekRutkowski Yeah, I really agree with you on all those points. I would say something similar to you, but I do enjoy watching Nico and Rytis mainly because they are more “laid back” videos that I can watch when I feel like I want to see action. But with Nico's “new” channel, I think that his new content can be interesting.
I also think that Paul makes excellent content. I also find some of it funny, like his little meme videos. But over all, I think all the UA-camr in the windsurfing community are all great. There is a wide variety of content, so you can usually find the one for you. I guess that Kai can count, but he's more of a multi-sport guy.
PS: you also make good content. I'm excited to see what new videos you are going to come up with ;)
@@tristan_krn nicos new channel??
@@MaciekRutkowski it’s called Board Life
Leech tighter aka less twist and exhaust on the VX3....= slow.Good vid tho...👍🍻
eh, yo estoy por el médano con mi mistral del 95 y aunque no consigo trasluchar si no estáis ninguno de los PRO voy más rápido que nadie!
I had to google translate this because I thought my Spanish was wrong 😂 You go faster then who exactly? 😅
@@MaciekRutkowski yes, id there's no PROs I go fater than almost everyone... but, I'm kind of cheating because I ride a mistral edge and go overpowered, so no way to compare with riders with waveboards...
😅
Watching the video many times it seems that you do not give 100% 100% but only 70%. And of course I understand why. You won with the mistral sle , if you also won with an old sail or if you brought a good position , then there would be a big problem for the new sails, the sponsors etc.
Friendly John
😂😂😂 thats great 😂😂😂
1. How do you see how much I push? 🤔
2. Watching the video many times you didnt realize that the SLE video was a local competition and the VX is on a World Cup level? 🧐
@@MaciekRutkowski
1.How do you see how much I push?
If you know good windsurfing and you have a perception in windsuring you understand it.
this guy understood that too. (and other guys got it)
chris dyer
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It looked like he was spilling wind to let the new sails past. He didn't look committed.
2. You are right. but you have to understand what I mean ...
completely friendly
@@MaciekRutkowski
😂😂😂 thats great 😂😂😂
look at yourself from 6.56 to 7.06 and tell me what you see
I would say a 25 yo sail has pretty much been bagged out. It doesn't have, nor ever have, it's original shape.
that depends how much its been used. This one was in really good shape!
@@MaciekRutkowski Three things kill sails....time, the water, and UV rays. Time and UV rays kill the plastics....water kills the stitching. I've had sails that looked great when packed away at the end of a season only to blow apart the following spring. That mono-film looked pretty milky. I'd like to know how much longer it lasted.
Sailmakers promised 10% faster sails every year… but still, I guess with a much lesser skilled windsurfer the difference in speed would have been much bigger.
I love this attitude! Normally I get told I'm not the right person to try and that's why the old stuff is slower haha!
I think you compare apples with oranges. But anyway, always fun to watch. Just do not take it too seriously.
why apples and oranges? its a windsurfing slalom sail vs a windsurfing slalom sail....
@@MaciekRutkowski You should have learnt already from all of your interviews why your argument is to simple. I don't want to start a discussion with you (again)
@@schobihh2703 I don’t really understand what you mean and I don’t remember every discussion I had in the comments so you can go ahead 😅 But putting one sentence and then not backing it up is pretty lame… 🤷🏼♂️
@@MaciekRutkowski A slalom sail is a slalom sail. If that is your statement, I have nothing to reply. Because this doesn't say anything. For me this hole thing is fun to watch, but I don't take it seriously because it is anything but an objective comparison.
@@schobihh2703 whats not objective about it? Its the same conditions, same course, same opponents, same board, same fin. Its as objective as one person can do i believe
isn't tis midschool, wouldn't old school be an 85 Pryde world cup racing
I was born in 91.. 25 year old is oldschool enough I believe? 😂
Hmm, 1987 Neil Pryde racing-sails name was "Warp Speed" 1988 me think thge name was "World cup race" 89 was "world cup racing" What the name was in 85, some "Stratos III" or similar?
Who won the boards? 🤔
we didn't reach the 6,666 subs yet (or 23k on insta...)
The real question is could you have won in 1997?
Hahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣
nice video,
but the 90s was not the golden eara it was not going good at all. the 70s and 80s people could realy live from the sport, even amateurs could earn like 1000 dollars in a weekend racing. in europe anyway. everybody in the 80s in holland owned a windsurfer