You need to look for a more extreme "old school board" : smaller and less volume ! The F2 Sputnik 270*52, or a similar "speed needle" will easily go over 35 knots with some decent wind ! My topspeed on a 1995 F2 Sputnik 270 with the stock fin was 70.5 km/h (38 knots) I do use the newer racesails, as these have much more control in high winds.
Old school boards were matched to the sails of that era - I sailed then and easily got a Mistral Energy over 30 kts on sails of that day and it wasn’t that hard. Modern sails ARE much better, as are the boards, but those sails put the CE in the wrong place for the old school boards, full stop. I’m not saying turn back the clock, modern equipment IS better, but you had a mismatch there.
Or a Cobra slalom 270, Same answer as on te last video 😄. Hé Jan😄. Yeah the right old board are seriously fast. I still have a Cobra slalom 270 from 1994. It’s 270x52 90 liter. The f2 Sputnik is based on this shape. And yes the cobra 270 was the fastest production board of that year (69km/h in the German speedcontest). I still have it but don’t surf it. The reason.. fins. The newer fins are so much better than the old fins. The cobra uses a pb fin. Good race fins are almost only in Tuttlebox. Maybe a new fin can be ordered in PB. But that’s to much money…. Well it looks interesting to try the old cobra again 😄.
The oldskool boards have a different rocker to modern slalom gear. They don't pop on the plane. You have to get them going somewhat before they loosen up and unwet. Then they go like blazes. For best top speed you need a small weed fin (Tribal weed speeds are awesome) or a Delta fin. Both can be had in powerbox. I sail a lot of the older speed needles and you need to rethink your board trim. On flat water trimming the board to ride flatter is crucial. Delta's really help with the lift they generate to achieve this.
Greatvideo, as usual... ❤ You also have to try old sails and you'd be using similar gear as I do! 😂 Maybe (and I'm being too audacious) you have to put the mast a little forward to get the board plane as you have the nose too high. Anyway, I do 30kn "easily" on my mistral edge, and it seems to have more speed. As I remember there were production boards that got 40kn. Maybe you should try to get one of that machines!!!
Nice vid, i love all oldschool stuff! We just got back here on Fuerte on our old Windsurf stuff from the 90`s and we have a blast! Bic Astr Rock still rocks! Try the Sunset Slalom, it`s meant to be one of the faster boards back in the days! Would love to have my Hifly Spad here but i sold it for gasoline to get back....😁
I still have a Klepper 295 slalom-speedboard.... I wonder what the topspeed would be with the latest rig. . This said in 1988 it was faster than an original Hobie Cat with a crew of 2 . My sail was the original 6 sqm; Location: Strand Horst - Harderwijk in Holland.
I had a Sailboards Maui 9'6" just like that. It pointed so nice, I would ride it then 130 degrees off wind down the lineup from the Water Tower of Seal Beach to almost Dog Beach at Huntington. Half the run, was on a foot of tail! Glory days! This was fun to see!!!!
I did a modest 61 km/t on a 105 L Sputnik 280 world cup edition with a 4 cam 5.4 Naish sail, some 25 years ago. Never tryed it with a bigger sail, but felt there were so much more potential. super acceleration on that board, but a bit scary with footstraps so close to the railing!...... and not that easy to gype. But soooo much fun, anyway! (still got that board).
As an old school windsurfer myself I think 2 things look a bit odd with this old & new gear combination. 1st: back in the day almost everybody used a seat harness making you stand quite differently and 2nd the sails back then where more high aspect (long mast, short boom) and it was all about "closing the gap" between the bottom of your sail and the deck. Seems like the modern sail is cut in a way that it stays more upright? Maybe the combination with modern sails and a modern board stance is not as optimal as it can get. Nonetheless very nice video.
You guys are so brave doing this. I prefer to wait for warmer weather. As a remarf concerning the old board I think you can use a smaller fin. The fin is too big and slows the board down. I surf with old F2 stuff and my biggest fin is 30cm.
Mario, class video. The 'old board you're using in the video is still a lot younger that the Vinta's I still still on. I'd safely say that my Vinta's are from the early mid 90's. They're slow, heavy and hard to get on the plane but still great fun to sail. I think one's a Vinta 220 and the others a 180. I've tried looking on line for some info but to no avail. However, don't you find when you've been asking an old board for an hour or so and switch to a newer one that your windsurfing has gotten better??? Or is that all in my head....
Tune your gear properly, the older boards require different tuning. Mast track much further fwd, boom height much higher, longer harness lines, get weight off the board and out.
Für mich sieht es so aus, dass der Trimm nicht stimmt. Um mit diesem Brett schnell zu fahren, muss die "Gap" am Unterliek zum Brett geschlossen werden. Ihr fahrt aber überwiegend leicht aufgefiert. Das bedeutete früher, dass das Segel zu groß für die Finne war und man nicht genügend Druck auf die Finne geben konnte.Möglicherweise passt auch der Druckpunkt im Segel nicht mehr zum Brett. Wie man damals die Bretter über die Finne hat fliegen lassen siehe hier: ua-cam.com/video/BdlhVtut8hc/v-deo.html.
Please let me know the name of the shop you have visited in the video. I already have an old bic Techno Board i want to repair. It was fallen from my car roof in strong wind an broke the nose :(
Welkome in the nineties. No-nose (less volume) and a big box rail an a lot of volume in the back. You buy a courseboard, which is not the fastest boards on earth, shaper Lewis (speed surfer!) This board is build for fast up-wind. But… with this board you have made a sling shot an then you start full speed your course.
When you said you were going to the store to get a tune up I thought you were gonna modify the board shape or apply some secret paint or surface finish under the board to improve speed... not just change foot straps XD I think there is more experimental stuff to be done with this old board! thanks for the content!
Nice attempt. But look forward instead of back. This is too old. The difference is to much. So take something of 5 and 10 years ago and compare this with the present boards.
this video shows me: 1) that professionals can sail anything FAST 2) equipment DOES make a difference should races go back to "all on one board setup" ?? Grüße aus Kanada Ihr könnt doch auch mal ein bissel Deutsch schnacken, nicht war ?? lol
Why you are using such a.crappy board. Use a Jimmy Lewis or Sailboards Maui if you want a true comparison I have the old speed needle of Roddy Lewis which did over 40 knots in Fuerte with modern fin and foil sail (as you need more high aspect for old school boards) I am sure you can go faster
Old school is COOL! Keep going!
You need to look for a more extreme "old school board" : smaller and less volume ! The F2 Sputnik 270*52, or a similar "speed needle" will easily go over 35 knots with some decent wind ! My topspeed on a 1995 F2 Sputnik 270 with the stock fin was 70.5 km/h (38 knots) I do use the newer racesails, as these have much more control in high winds.
Great idea, and I also think they should put a modern fin in there to make the comparison completely about the board and not the board fin combi!
Good idea for the future! We took this board simply because we had it in the van...😄
Trust me, the difference does not come from the fin....🤣 but I will try to buy a good Powerbox fin and go again!
Old school boards were matched to the sails of that era - I sailed then and easily got a Mistral Energy over 30 kts on sails of that day and it wasn’t that hard. Modern sails ARE much better, as are the boards, but those sails put the CE in the wrong place for the old school boards, full stop. I’m not saying turn back the clock, modern equipment IS better, but you had a mismatch there.
Or a Cobra slalom 270, Same answer as on te last video 😄.
Hé Jan😄. Yeah the right old board are seriously fast. I still have a Cobra slalom 270 from 1994. It’s 270x52 90 liter. The f2 Sputnik is based on this shape. And yes the cobra 270 was the fastest production board of that year (69km/h in the German speedcontest). I still have it but don’t surf it. The reason.. fins. The newer fins are so much better than the old fins. The cobra uses a pb fin. Good race fins are almost only in Tuttlebox. Maybe a new fin can be ordered in PB. But that’s to much money…. Well it looks interesting to try the old cobra again 😄.
The oldskool boards have a different rocker to modern slalom gear. They don't pop on the plane. You have to get them going somewhat before they loosen up and unwet. Then they go like blazes. For best top speed you need a small weed fin (Tribal weed speeds are awesome) or a Delta fin. Both can be had in powerbox. I sail a lot of the older speed needles and you need to rethink your board trim. On flat water trimming the board to ride flatter is crucial. Delta's really help with the lift they generate to achieve this.
Greatvideo, as usual... ❤
You also have to try old sails and you'd be using similar gear as I do! 😂
Maybe (and I'm being too audacious) you have to put the mast a little forward to get the board plane as you have the nose too high.
Anyway, I do 30kn "easily" on my mistral edge, and it seems to have more speed. As I remember there were production boards that got 40kn. Maybe you should try to get one of that machines!!!
Nice vid, i love all oldschool stuff! We just got back here on Fuerte on our old Windsurf stuff from the 90`s and we have a blast! Bic Astr Rock still rocks! Try the Sunset Slalom, it`s meant to be one of the faster boards back in the days! Would love to have my Hifly Spad here but i sold it for gasoline to get back....😁
Preferably with it or other old equipment. It's ridiculously cheap, and if they can be used then why not. Nice channel. Thanks
Guter Jahrgang!
Der 97er schmeckt mir da doch deutlich besser!😂
I still have a Klepper 295 slalom-speedboard....
I wonder what the topspeed would be with the latest rig.
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This said in 1988 it was faster than an original Hobie Cat with a crew of 2 .
My sail was the original 6 sqm;
Location: Strand Horst - Harderwijk in Holland.
I had a Sailboards Maui 9'6" just like that. It pointed so nice, I would ride it then 130 degrees off wind down the lineup from the Water Tower of Seal Beach to almost Dog Beach at Huntington. Half the run, was on a foot of tail! Glory days! This was fun to see!!!!
Waiting for the old school sail too😉
I did a modest 61 km/t on a 105 L Sputnik 280 world cup edition with a 4 cam 5.4 Naish sail, some 25 years ago. Never tryed it with a bigger sail, but felt there were so much more potential. super acceleration on that board, but a bit scary with footstraps so close to the railing!...... and not that easy to gype. But soooo much fun, anyway! (still got that board).
As an old school windsurfer myself I think 2 things look a bit odd with this old & new gear combination. 1st: back in the day almost everybody used a seat harness making you stand quite differently and 2nd the sails back then where more high aspect (long mast, short boom) and it was all about "closing the gap" between the bottom of your sail and the deck. Seems like the modern sail is cut in a way that it stays more upright? Maybe the combination with modern sails and a modern board stance is not as optimal as it can get.
Nonetheless very nice video.
Interesting video. Well done Mario!
Great vid!
Would love to see you on an old mistral taloa!
😂😂 freaking cold 🥶!
Try something with less volume from the old days, it should be better in velocity !🤙
You guys are so brave doing this. I prefer to wait for warmer weather. As a remarf concerning the old board I think you can use a smaller fin. The fin is too big and slows the board down. I surf with old F2 stuff and my biggest fin is 30cm.
Great job!
Did you check any tunning on the mast base position to see how it helps the board to be better?
That was a fun video. Poor Chris.
Mario, class video. The 'old board you're using in the video is still a lot younger that the Vinta's I still still on. I'd safely say that my Vinta's are from the early mid 90's. They're slow, heavy and hard to get on the plane but still great fun to sail. I think one's a Vinta 220 and the others a 180. I've tried looking on line for some info but to no avail.
However, don't you find when you've been asking an old board for an hour or so and switch to a newer one that your windsurfing has gotten better??? Or is that all in my head....
Toughen up
Good ! try a Tiga slalom 270. It s like a comet
If you want to go faster, by older boards try to move the mast foot further forward
Please more from the Netherlands 🤩
Meine boards und segel sind teilweise über 40 jahre alt. Hab vom vater sein ganzes Equipment bekommen und ich surf echt am liebsten damit
Old school is cool, but even the 90es had crap boards. So many super fast boards from 97-99 RRD, AHD, Drops and so on
Time to buy a new powerbox fin!😄
Can anyone loan Mario a nice powerbox slalom fin please?
Tune your gear properly, the older boards require different tuning. Mast track much further fwd, boom height much higher, longer harness lines, get weight off the board and out.
Ich fahr seit 2 Jahren immer mal wieder auf so ner alten Kiste. Kam noch nie in den Genuss von neuerem Equipment 😅
Maui Ultra Fins Slalom wäre meine Finnen- Empfehlung, die gibt es für Powerbox.
Drops twin (no nose) Italy board very fast board 90" ,and no easy to jibe.
Hi Mairo!!
Which app at apple watch do you use??
Für mich sieht es so aus, dass der Trimm nicht stimmt. Um mit diesem Brett schnell zu fahren, muss die "Gap" am Unterliek zum Brett geschlossen werden. Ihr fahrt aber überwiegend leicht aufgefiert. Das bedeutete früher, dass das Segel zu groß für die Finne war und man nicht genügend Druck auf die Finne geben konnte.Möglicherweise passt auch der Druckpunkt im Segel nicht mehr zum Brett. Wie man damals die Bretter über die Finne hat fliegen lassen siehe hier: ua-cam.com/video/BdlhVtut8hc/v-deo.html.
I managed a 500m average of 31.7 knots on a plastic Hyfly 275PX from 1996ish. You need to try harder 😉
What a great video again , love the footage. But sailing point 7 but no Coros watch..thats the watch for dudes , no fit watch..
Please let me know the name of the shop you have visited in the video. I already have an old bic Techno Board i want to repair. It was fallen from my car roof in strong wind an broke the nose :(
Maybe bring on a old school rider. Like bringdal 😅
Hallo, an welchem Spot wart ihr denn?
Welkome in the nineties. No-nose (less volume) and a big box rail an a lot of volume in the back. You buy a courseboard, which is not the fastest boards on earth, shaper Lewis (speed surfer!) This board is build for fast up-wind. But… with this board you have made a sling shot an then you start full speed your course.
When you said you were going to the store to get a tune up I thought you were gonna modify the board shape or apply some secret paint or surface finish under the board to improve speed... not just change foot straps XD I think there is more experimental stuff to be done with this old board! thanks for the content!
30 kn sind doch easy zu erreichen bei dem Flachwasser aber man braucht halt genug Wind. 😉
Genau das war doch auch mein Fazit..😉
🎉Ich denke eine etwas noch kleinere Finne und ihr hättet locker 60knoten geschafft.
Da kann sich Albeau gaaaaanz weit hinten anstellen!😂
Keep trying to make it faster 🙏
Moin Mario
Guten Morgen!
Wrong board. There are many old school boards that are far better like a Sputnik. Also mast foot is too far back.
mach doch mal in beide Boards die gleiche Finne rein. Sonst hast du NIE einen richtigen Vergleich.
Nice attempt. But look forward instead of back. This is too old. The difference is to much. So take something of 5 and 10 years ago and compare this with the present boards.
There's something not right about that board design. Looks like it is porpoising even when fully powered up.
To see how fast an old slalom board is , you have to know how to run it , and you don't!!
🤣
F2 Soutnik 270 1995 70.5km/h in the see. Do it if you can 😂 and after we'll laugh together.
🤔 Promo>SM
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this video shows me:
1) that professionals can sail anything FAST
2) equipment DOES make a difference
should races go back to "all on one board setup" ??
Grüße aus Kanada
Ihr könnt doch auch mal ein bissel Deutsch schnacken, nicht war ?? lol
Why you are using such a.crappy board. Use a Jimmy Lewis or Sailboards Maui if you want a true comparison I have the old speed needle of Roddy Lewis which did over 40 knots in Fuerte with modern fin and foil sail (as you need more high aspect for old school boards) I am sure you can go faster
Check out my video "1€ vs 3000€ windsurf board" and you know why I use this one...😄
sieht wesentlich kippliger aus.