Why LANE BULLIES are BAD in LOW ELO - League of Legends
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Can you make a guide on stealth champs?
Most jungle guides are too complicated for people who want to go to diamond or platinum. I think the most important thing is focusing on the minimap and looking for low health enemies and where the lane is pushing. Other things like clear speed seem counterproductive to me.
"What was Draven's mistake?"
What WASN'T?! Good god
right? More important than not hitting the wave was not being behind those casters because naut could easily Q. Instant lane loss there
Also he can easily have 2 Active Q's by the 3rd melee minion
so true.
@@hugozegre4425 By building a wave there are more minions to hide behind so it's more difficult to mess that up. I think a big point of the guide was on how to set yourself up for success with good macro.
Thanks to you I went from gold 4 to bronze 2 , thank you skill guides
Hahahahaha
But I'm sure you slow pushed a lot more waves!
Are these guides not good?
@@danutercisd2016 I think he's just joking. The guides are good, but won't save you from inters and lack of skill to 1v9 xD
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Man, it seems like slow pushes are more subtle than a lot of people say. Some say +1 minion count, some say clear all the casters, in this case Hans does it with just one AA (and zoning). Even if it comes down to minion health balance in the end, there seems to be so many ways to measure the speed of a push.
That Caitlyn crash scenario was interesting though, especially how the defending Pyke and Ezreal managed to set up the engagement in their favour, and avoid the minions aggroing them when defending the tower plates during the crash. I don't think many guides cover what to do when someone's slow crashing onto you which made this guide unique.
A minion wave is like a marble on a hill. Just a tiny push will lead to it slowly picking up speed, accelerating faster and faster until it crashes
It really depends on the matchup. Ezreal has very poor wave control so it's very easy for Caitlyn to create a slow push into him with just one auto especially if it's empowered, but vs someone like Xayah or Sivir who have incredible wave clear early on, it requires a lot more effort to gain a push advantage.
*I love how you guys made the names not show but you can still see dravens name on the bottom left*
They should change it to show champion names as there is option to do that in the client.
8:30 incredible 10/10 peeling by amumu support: casually waiting until his adc died just to give that enemy support and a melee minion a nice 1 s time-out with his 2 Qs.
You should play scaling champ and stay away from lane bullies
Me,a urgot main:both is goods
good luck explaining you main champ isn't ranged top
@@m.rak804 okay noob he has like 350 range come on
@@yassinazarkan4207 yeah but he can poke so much its basically exactly the same as playing against an adc top
@@yassinazarkan4207 it's freaking 2021 and you stll didn't know about this joke, bro
@@m.rak804 almost 2022
I'm a support player, practicing adc, so i also noticed that this caitlyn has an amumu and the way she is shoving makes it impossible for him to really engage for her, so he is just standing around useless because his adc isn't thinking about what kind of wave he needs so he can do his job for her
Whenever i watch your vids, you frequently comment on players walking back and forth doing nothing. As a low elo player I've become aware I do this as well but because it helps me better time last hits. It's so hard to last hit when attack speed is so low early game! Gotta keep working on it I guess :)
I played Panth from Bronze to diamond 3 with Master MMR peak lol. Early aggression is good for low elo, it’s just the things you do after lane phase is why your games are coinflip. If you have a lead on these champions, you have to look for picks and close out the game as fast as you can lol
But unless you are a leader amongst men you will never convince an iron team to rush the nexus after you've won a teamfight, because they want to kill Baron!
@@Reddotzebra the problem is after the inhib they overstay, get killed, enemy get baron, pushes and wins. this is the most typical low elo scenario
Hey skillcapped, i’m struggling to understanding those situations as an adc whenever you ask “What went wrong here” or “What should they be doing here?” or “What did they not do?”. Is there a way you can make a guide to know what you should be doing in certain situations?
They have those guides. But in their service, not here
You'll understand what to do in certain situations over time. I was the same way when I first started, completely clueless as what the correct options were. Watching their UA-cam guides is a really good place to start bec their UA-cam videos are really great with hammering in fundamentals plus some cute strategies (like cheater recall, going under tower so that you can hard crash the wave, etc). Good luck learning my friend! :D
As far as wave managment the simple guide is to just try to stack waves and crash them so that u can get a good recall or rotate/roam. Everything u do should help towards achieveing that. Also if ur enemy fails in doing the same thing try to freeze and stay healthy. If ur not sure how to do it experiment and see what works best for what matchup.
In this video they explain it for you if you don't know what the correct answer is. If you don't know the answer beforehand that's ok too. The question is there by popular request and it helps to check people's assumptions about what they know about the game. You could also watch Neace's coaching videos as he goes over al ot of the same fundamentals.
They are trying to make you remember information, for that you have to study I'm the first place
as an senna support i control the waves for my adc, which makes my job super easy and just like that, my adc always gets a kill
Can you explain to me what wave control is? I don't quiet understand it. Don't go into details tho.
@@Strawberry_donut i harass the adc and make sure my support doesn't get any closer to my adc, and i make sure my adc dont over push the lane wave cause its easier for my jger to gank, it makes everything easy then complicated
@@truegamer2819 dang, that's precisely what I do all the games! I'm literally doing the trick without knowing it haha.
@@Strawberry_donut just know this, the game is all fucked up! Riot rigged the game even worst! so be aware of that, and for the love of God don't flame any players! cause that's exactly what riot what's, cause the minute you spend over 3 ta 4k of money on their game, they'll banned you for flaming players, and it only takes one time, but that only happens when you spend money on their pathetic, if you haven't spend money on the game, they'll just give you warnings until you buy over $900 dollars, just a heads up for you
@@truegamer2819 weeeellll, I never spent money on any games. And I almost never trash talk, so I'm far from getting banned I guess.
Cait especially is one of those ADC noobtraps. Players only notice her opressive poking range, but her teamfight damage is often abyssmal, since she only does well if you're able to land your spells, which includes traps.
I disagree that this is a "trap". Anyone who has cared to enough to do any ammount of research on Caitlyn as a champion knows that she excels at the early game due to her range, and at the late game due to her build path. But that she has a very weak midgame. It's like a "V" shaped curve for her powerspikes.
@@Albiorix Knowing that and actually using her kit are two different pair of shoes.
@@CptApplestrudl define "actually using her kit" tho. Because if we're gonna get nitpicky, 99% of people shouldn't play the game at all because of jow bad they are. If we stick to the topic of new players and being able to land your abilities, sure, there's easier champions like Sivir and Miss Fortune. But it's not like Caitlyn is too mechanically demanding (unless you're gonna do some master+ shenanigans like backwards net into flash to proc headshot for an execute). You just have to use your traps as a zoning tool or as follow up CC. Kinda like Jinx I think. Don't you agree?
@@Albiorix That is exactly right, although this video more seems to paint her as a noob trap because her oppressive early game poke range distracts people from lasthitting, since they are chasing headshots.
I was looking for a guide to help survive, wean we get focussed by the full enemy team
Playing a bully to not... bully at all? Send those assist pings to wake up the bullies within!
My first Vayne game after these tips went 12-0-10. Good advices.
It would be really nice if you guys put more content analyzing diamond and platinum elo, and not mainly silver and gold, thanks for the content anyways and happe christmas
tbh a lot of the same mistakes are made, just the higher you go in low elo the less frequent they all are. good fundamentals will absolutely get you far in plat if you have solid knowledge of the game and execute all the basics correctly on a consistent basis.
I'll sum this video up for you guys, lane bullies aren't effective because ALL games go long in low elo.
They don't even touch on this at all, since the entire video is another reiteration about how wave control will win you laning phases. (Which translates to games, even though low ELO teams have no idea how to END games even when they have momentary advantage. So IDK?)
They should have touched on this, but they didn't.
@@Reddotzebra ya, agree. I mean this is the same reason why I can't stand when players tell low elo junglers to just pick nunu and warwick to climb. Ya great advice, get a massive lead for your team that will probably still throw and you're stuck with all these tank items even tho you're 11/2 and can't carry the game. Great advice guys.
Every video thumbnail: Promises to teach you about specific champions.
What the video is about: Minions, minions, minions, the equal minion rule, when to kill only caster minions, what killing only melee minions will cause the wave to do, minions, minions, minions.
So basically, if you have League installed you can play Legion TD 2 in the toplane.
How can I play against these types of silver players, and not the god tier silver players that know macro, wave management and feel like they have been challenger before but are just smurfing to relieve some stress from playing a high elo game once every full moon?
Every third or fourth game feels quite rnd (especially since it's ranked solo AND Duo). Abysml players and super smurfs take turns. In the end, however, it balances out.
Literally. Most games feel like people have mastered these fundamentals for several years, even in silver. Then theres games that feel like they're against easy bots
0:20 why isn't Kalista circled lmao
Neither kalista, lucian, MF nor jhin
@@madafaka3587 and how is samira an early game bully, her early is her weakest point. Girl does less damage with q than with aa
Kalista doesn't count as a champion apparently
I'm in diamond 1 but i still enjoy and learn alot from ur vids...
So this is kinda funny. I have a skill capped subscription. And my Coach said, and I quote "you can play some if you really want to, but you should be picking agressive playmaking champions and not safe scaling champions in your elo because your teammates will fight over the dumbest things and you can't afford to have your safety nett removed" (tldr feel free to play lux she's really strong but stay away from champions like oriana until your teammates are better)
Aggressive playmaking champions is a different category than lane bullies. Lane bullies are strong early and can abuse their matchup to their advantage. Playmaking champs have certain kits to entertain a pro-active playstyle. Nasus for example is not a playmaker, but Camille is. Teemo on the other hand is a lane bully.
"What was Draven's mistake?"
Picking Draven, for one
Teamwork in the bot lane is the best way to win lane.
i had a horrible leona supp in a ranked game,
wont cs the canon minion, hitting cs randomly making me miss them and always at the back of the wave, meanwhile I when trying to cs, i need to move up then enemy team immediately attacks me because my supp is nowhere to be seen.
then next game i get a good Yuumi supp, and i carry the game
love the tyler1 reference at 10:47
My guess before watchign this video is that people won't dive low hp targets under tower. Those type of dives are so common in high elo and so rare in low elo.
I am not a botlaner but this is free knowledge and even not difficullt to practice. Ty guys!
Should you give up a creep to poke with Jhin Cait crit passive a majority of the time? I think you already have one but it might be really old. Make a video on when to trade or shove (not last hit) like why the minimum damage isnt important when your trying to shove the wave early.
The title is a bad sweeping statement a new player should sertainly pick up a Cait or an ashe. Cait is a lane bully who scales really well right now AND is safe as far as ADC's go, Ashe is a bully that also brings really high utility and scales fairly well. BOTH these champions are easy to play so in low ELO PLEASE play them
It's all fun and games watching youtube movies about how to get better. Then you get into ranked it self and meet the weirdest comps yet. And most of the advice goes right out of the door. These hyper bullies destroy entire games when played right. Lower elo does not have the patience neither the skill or macro to come back from a huge disadvantage. Making hyper bullies a suitable pick in lower elo.
Draven have me anxiety, thx for reminding me why I don't play bot.
1:25 talking about "pro LoL streams" and then showing Tyler1 is...yeah, wrong :D.
8:33 that hitbox though...RITO PLZ
10:47 yes it can by
oke that why botlane always dies within 3 minutes when im jungle and what im not even done with my 4th camp and bot is dead already
I always stack my lane minions and push large wave into enemy tower, too bad supports are absolute joke and often suicide in this low elo.
Are lane bullies bad in low elo or just for "bad" players?
Bro I just chunk the melee minions 0-2-1 to make it easier to last hit I didn't think it was something ppl didn't do
To be honest, to win and climb with safe and passive picks , i think one should be extremely good at the game and way above his elo. Like diamond smurfing in gold. Unless you are ready to play 800 games per season and climb slowly-slowly with 50%wr.
But it's just from my personal experience. You either take strong pick to win lane and snowball or risk that your 7/1/3 most fed member calling ff because his team doesn't carry and 101 other different reasons why relying on your team is not a good way to climb soloq
Naaah. Scaling picks are much easier than early game picks. Stalemates and neutral outcomes always favor the scaling team. Its not enough for the winning team to secure herald if the losing team can take dragon without contestation. Or a turret for another.
Even if you get out of lane with a 30 cs deficit you're still probably in a better position to win. Without baron its very easy to stall the game forever and even if the enemy team gets baron, its not guaranteed the enemy team will make use of it.
If you're a ranged champion with waveclear, waves will come to you and, as long as you don't overextend, enemies rarely will have the coordination to dive you. If you're a melee carry, even if you're behind, you can still split push and, again, work around the enemy team's lack of coordination. If they send the wrong person to stop you, even while behind you might still beat them. If they send a person that can kill you, you can play safe and keep them in the side lane, which means one less strong member on the enemy team to get something elsewhere. If they send more than one person to you, then its your team that has a numbers advantage and even if you die, they still need to coordinate a call for an objective to do afterwards.
The scaling pick needs to worry about farming up and not dying. The early game needs to do that as well, but also to make sure they kill their opponent and stop them from farming.
@@shacolin6546 I agree with this 100%, however... Does anyone have a handy reference sheet for what champions scale the best? Because the tier lists often (not always, but often) recommend the early game flash in the pan champions since they can end games quickly if everything goes right.
Me getting my first penta in my first season of league with samira adc while being a top main
WOOSH. You've got a taste of 200 years of experience.
@@Magare literally ahahhahsha
you forget to talk about the ones that do know what they are doing
idk if im just good but bulling people as akshan is very op and fun
As a former Draven main, I can confirm this is sometimes what we think about after a successful trade. The rest of the time it's about the enemy jungler, Yuumi's healing or why a poke adc with hard cc and a burt damage slow has a dash.
bro seeing that amumu from the caitlyn gold game makes my eyes bleed so much. i know its gold but camon bro. for over 30 sec he literally did nothing but move like an idiot when he could've helped cait crash the wave, roam mid or go try tracking enemy jg.
gold bot laners usully complain that their autofilled ad/sp doesn't play how they wanted but during the picking period and the first 1:30 mins, they just spamming ctrl 3, no strategic chat, no early vision control, just standing in a random bush and dancing
@@m.rak804 well yea, this dance in jg and doing nothing applies to every lane. and for mid when your midlaner sits in the tower instead of moving forward to see if the enemy team tries to invade from mid bush drives me crazy everytime.
Does this mean I have to give up my neeko mid/support otp in silver? 🥶
Tl:dr why are lane bullies bad in low elo, because your bad
But what will adc mains blame if not that they don't have agency and have to scale? It can't possibly be their own skill! It must be other classes are OP or their support is bad!
Nah, this is unfair. Most adc's know enough about the game to understand that it's the jungler's fault.
Its impossible for the cayt to be a gold player...
Is this the NA gold level?
how are u supposed to scale with bad teammates lol. went on a 3 game lose streak cause even though i won lane my top went 0/7 in the first 5 min and everyone ff'd.
I used to Play kayle all the time i started to experiment AMD i went back to her my pc mechanics r to bad for now i stick to scalers
But annie, always works
yes, cause jhin definitely isnt a lane bully and/or aggresive pick welldone 0skillcap
Where christmas episode?
I dont agree, when most of the lanes are losing, stay safe and farm is not an option. A 300cs jinx wont ever beat a 5/0 zed ever. You have to risk and carry the game. This advice of you might be good for bad people in low elo, who clearly always have to stay away from risky picks.
This does ignore the fact that in the late game Zed falls off in the late game. In low elo, people are really bad at snowballing games and thus the Zed probably won't be using his priority to snowball the game.
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa66 The low elo mental is too weak to even get to that point. I doubt you even see that happening in 1 of 20 games.
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa66 zed is probably the best scaling assassin in the game but ok 😊
@@kingrafboss This is region dependant, actually
@@oui2826 I think Akali outscales him tbh
Why didn't Hans get a cheater recall after shoving the cannon in their tower?
He’s a pro so he must be right 🤫
It's all about real-time assessment of the circumstance and situation. Even though we are shown we can do a cheater recall, that decision can easily be changed by noticing other factors such as the champs being played, vision/awareness, win condition, tracking, mechanics, knowledge and simple comparison of risk vs reward to rather harass the other bot under tower as the better play than doing a cheater recall. Hans being Challenger would have went through the same scenario over thousands of times and games, and as a pro, he would've no less tried to asset most of what there is to think about instinctively at the moment or beforehand towards making that decision as would any other challengers of that calibre do.
Most guides teach cheater recall as a means to gain an advantage without risks. It is typically a good play, but there are some play such as what Hans did which gives a much better advantage but would come with a risk. The risk could be getting ganked, or simply he misplayed a mechanic or decision in the execution, but as a pro and challenger Hans would have known when to do it from what would we expect him assesting the situation (knowing he would not get ganked for doing it) and is confident to properly execute it making it look easy.
@@zeroapproval dude, stop it. He mistimed the crash, that’s all
@@schere1721 Nothing was mistimed you can tell Hans is slow pushing up until the crash to tower where Hans and the support begin switching to both CS and Harassing the enemy bot under tower whenever they can creating pressure, preventing them to be able to CS freely. The video even talked about it and showed moments after the results of those decision with Jhin being low on HP and CS by the time the 4th wave hit and if its not enough, the wave is set to push back to Draven's side to possibly repeat it.
@@zeroapproval if you crash 3 this late and cheater recall, 4 dies to the stacked 3, gets frozen, and allows enemy bot to recover
Im a little confused. I watched one of you mid lane focused videos recently on your site (can't remember for the life of me which one) and you talked about how you shouldn't care to give up one or two cs in order to auto the opponent and trade with them with abilities too. (Because one or two cs doesn't matter in the long run). In this one you say that it is a mistake to be losing so much CS in order to harass?
You should try to balance, not just losing an entire wave for harrass nor not punishing because you'd lose 2 minions, also, Midlane and ADC are two veeeeeeeery different roles
@@Boon.Oreo6042 So it's okay to miss some CS, as long as you get something out of it, and you don't just miss an entire wave from tunnel vision. Got it
@@austibon Well, yeah
Depends on matchup also, there are some champions whose job isn't to farm but get an XP lead. For example most Jayce players will happily lose the first 3 cs to zone you and get an xp advantage over you. There needs to be a balance because the entire point of "bullying" someone out of lane is that even without killing them you have a sizeable cs lead, if you don't have that cs lead you will get outscaled or you will have a much harder time in converting a lead.
League can be generalised as a game of mistakes, a game of risk, and also a game of advantage and disadvantages. Every decision you make in game will have a risk, possible mistake or advantage/disadvantage tied to it. The ultimate goal is to know so much about the fundamentals of the game, the champions, mechanics and everything else like shown in these guides; that when you play, you strive to make the most optimal choices that guarantee to give you an advantage and putting your enemy at a disadvantage, but of course those choices will come with risks. That could be anything from getting ganked when trying to push, or making a mechanical misplay when executing a combo etc. It will be upto your opponents to take advantage of your mistakes and also for you to do the same on recognising and taking advantage of their mistake as well.
Guides like this offer new insight on how to assest and play on the situation, and sometimes interesting or helpful ways to reduce mistakes such as improving awareness or macro so you don't do terrible mistakes etc.
The guide can also help with showing and identifying certian win condition for some champions or for the matter conditions to gain incremental advantages that ends up being a win condition of itself if it helps completely shutting down your opponent ability to play.
You can decide to make a risky play to take down an enemy but you will have to face the possible risk of making mistakes and end up dying for what ever reason, but if you knew ahead of time before making the play that you can pull it off, you have the damage, you won't get countered, the enemy cannot react or defend against it, those are thoughts and knowledge that help mitigated your possible mistakes to turn it into a guaranteed advantage and only by learning from experience or seeing it from guides like this can you know if it will work or not.
8:43 how tf are botlane lv 1 on min 2.39 with wave 3 on lane?
The shortest answer is because enemy bot could not walk up in minion xp range as they die.
This is a result of Caitlyn taking advantage of her range and both her and Thresh playing aggressively, and finally Ezreals choice to respect and keep distance to avoid free autos.
If this was top lane and you wave control perfectly, you can dive the enemy top lvl 1 with your jg and you being lvl 3.
@@pedrohenrique-db3xd i know that but i cant see how both botlaners were lv 1 almost 3 min into the game, with the cannon wave being in the middle of the lane
Draven tip is just false. Draven can last hit the wave and thin the back line bait a naut q and run down jhin with 2 axes. There is absolutely no parallel between hitting Cs and 'taking control of the wave'. Level 1 draven will just out dps a level 2 jhin. If I'm playing jhin I want you to push me in so I can farm under tower. If I were that draven I'd be looking for perfect last hits, and open opportunity to trade with the jhin as he tries to farm. Similarly that's why Hans doesn't want to hard shove the wave, its not about knowing what you can and cannot do, its about the fact that Draven can smash your face in with a slow push, or run you down, but nothing in between unless you can tank minions while fighting.
I would like to see Skillcapped focus more on the nuances of the matchups and not just think around waves.
Pretty sure they keep that info under lock and key behind a paywall, since they basically refer to matchups either in the nebulous "I know that this champion has a stronger lvl1 than this other champion because I'm challenger, and you should just learn such things too" kind of way, or make nebulous statements that hints at there having been a list you were supposed to memorize somewhere.
Basics are important though, but I don't think the wonderful "there is no such thing as counterpicks in low ELO" mantra applies when you don't know the enemy's kit in detail.
Imagine about complaining about help the one person that has the best chance of winning the fame before you even really get going.
that thing is so fuckin obvius.... i guess if you cant even figure this out yourself you shouldnt dream of getting far in league
please start making videos of low diamond level mistakes.
Agree, scrolling through the comments you can see that everyone here knows what to do in theory. Diamond is the elo where people stop making mistakes that are this obvious, but are still pretty bad at the game
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you're not good enough, just play Janna
saved you 12 minutes
This is a terrible video you guys should delete it. You are all saying nothing/jargon. All to get people to give you money....
Clickbait title, patronising content