Open Bar #94 - Fall Guy Flops, Planet Of The Apes, Acolyte Trailer Roasted
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
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As far as Fall guy goes (a remake, by the way) - people are tired of "goofy". Humor - yes, goofy - no. Lethal weapon franchise is the perfect example of action and humor working together.
Yea I like Gosling and Blunt but not interested in the movie in the slightest
This remake is an insult to Lee Majors and Heather Thomas.
Rush Hour too
Yea Gosling and Hemsworth always play the dumb Blonde/dude bro roles. It's tiresome, plus this movie looks like many movies currently on Netflix.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 Gosling? He has played lots of roles.
94 was a killer year for movies and notice how almost every movie was a original story
Classic 90s, everything was awesome.
2000s as well
Early to mid 2010s were also good
Yeah, I was looking at '94 just recently compared to all of the last four years, and the dropoff between great and mediocre movies is SO steep now. And even the "great" movies would've been average ten or fifteen years ago. They would've done well, but the world wouldn't have stopped for them. Whereas, in '94, you had several great movies, and then when you got down to what became the mediocre tier, you still had a lot of fun, highly watchable movies. Now, you watch the Big Movies like Barbie and Avatar and Maverick... and then it's this long, heavy fall to movies that are intolerably incoherent, with nothing in between.
Mid to late 2010s were good too. Only joking,I feel the original post had a point and other comments went off course
In the new trilogy, Gandalf the White dies, and comes back as Gandalf the Rainbow.
"Things are not buss'n mordor frodo"
Mordor becomes just a misunderstood, down trodden neighborhood that was the real victim all along of the systemically racists Elven system that the Elf adjacent Dwarves and Humans benefitted from at the exploitation of Orcs and Goblins.
Gandalf the black is somehow going to be the natural progression from white which came from grey 🩶🤍 🖤
Well... That's kind of what Saruman did, except the dying part. He is known as Saruman the White, but when we first meet him in the books he has just changed his title to Saruman of Many Colours, and in closer inspection his white robe glitters with all the colours of the rainbow
Gandalf of Many Colours
"The Larry Sanders" show was not created by Larry David (co-creator of "Seinfield"), it was created by Garry Shandling, telling the story about a talk show host (named Larry Sanders), set during the talk show wars of the 1990s, having to navigate the superficiality of Hollywood and his love/hate relationship with being on TV. It's one of the best series ever written...absolutely scathing indictment of the phoniness and lack of depth in the industry. Shandling (who has since passed away) knew Seinfeld, but wasn't involved with his show.
Larry David did "Curb Your Enthusiasm", which is fine, but which is basically just a series with George Costanza as the main character. The only real connection between them is that both are on HBO.
"It's a dumb show ...made by dumb people... for dumb people" RIP Star Wars.
Yeeeessss! Yeeeessss!👩🏿🦲
All the good will Star Wars ever had has been flushed down the toilet, along with $4 billion. What did Kathleen Kennedy actually do, all those years "working" with Spielberg?🤔🤷🏽♀️
Sorry to say but old star wars wasn't as interesting to begin with. There's too much nostalgia or religious level obsession for people to notice a dull dialogue heavy boring and overall simplistic story that has a ton of plot holes and contrivances that would never "fly" today
"If you want to pull the thread ... then pull it".
Do they realise just how moronically anticlimactic that single supremely idiotic line is. A roomful of people brainstormed and then chose *this* as the best option they came up with.
@@hirudinaria
Original Star Wars created the genre. It's allowed the occasional misstep.
And no, it wasn't made for today's ritalin fueled children.
I feel like Zach Snyder is one of the only people who has made more films than he has watched.
Manflesh Sniffers: A Lord of the Rings Detective Story.
*sniff sniff* Manflesh.
What is it? What do you smell?@@thesnazzycomet
It's weird, but I'd be down for an Orc detective story.
War of the Planet of the Uruks?? @@jonbaxter2254
An orc's take on Miller from the Expanse
I was inundated with Fall guy ads for 3 months and I still have no idea what it's even about. Their market campaign really was just "Ryan Gosling is in this"
Pretty much. Emily blunt is easy on the eyes but it still comes off as meh.
My brain is having a hard time telling Reynolds and Gosling apart now... Both are Ryans and both starred in a comedy called _____ guy
It's about a guy who falls, right?
@@vario6492 hah! Yes, exactly.
Honestly that was the reason I watched. I’m a fan of his work and rarely have a bad time when he’s in a project.
I think Stellar Blade had the best marketing.
Just let people talk about it on UA-cam.
I haven't seen an advert for this game here in Germany, but I pre-ordered it after the conversations here on UA-cam.
My son was born in 94. It was a good year.
I think the problem with The Fall Guy is that we have had enough. We have suffered through Hawaii Five O, Night Court, Quantum Leap, Magnum PI, and two variants of The Equalizer. None of these had a whole lot in common with the TV shows that we liked ... and whose names they are trading on . So, along comes The Fall Guy, which is trading on the Lee Majors TV show and those of us in the audience figure it's going to be another film with little fidelity to the namesake. Fool us ten times, shame on you. Shame us eleven times, shame on us.
We saw it opening weekend to try and support a simple action movie.... it was okay but there are a lot of feminized or sappy romance scenes that go far too long making it start to feel like the fee we have to pay to see some good stunt scenes. Fall Guy was a testosterone fueled tv show for boys and, oddly enough Moms (they liked Howie a lot more than they would admit, lol) so I understood going in there would be a trade off to create a broader appeal. That being said it was WAY over corrected and Ryan Gosling is officially Hollywood's feminized version of the ideal man who always can make the other character in any scene better than him. My daughter loved it, she's 22 so that ought to tell you how 'rom com' it is vs. action...
Although I never saw it, I can't stand Jonah Hill, and Channing Tatum is so/so, but I think studios are trying to find 21 Jump Street success in these TV show to movie remakes. It appears to be difficult.🤷🏽♀️
I don’t think there was really any problem with The Fall Guy at all. I didn’t “suffer” through the rest because I didn’t watch any of them.
Besides, productions like Cobra Kai and Top Gun: Maverick have kept me slightly optimistic.
Did Lee Majors make a cameo appearance?
@@marsoelflaco5722 yes him and Heather Thomas, if Howie was in it I did not see it.
Nice to have fringy back on the show
Same with Rob and George. And Platoon is like comfortable furniture when he's on. This panel as a whole was a great lineup.
Comparing a person to a comfortable furniture 🤯
@@vario6492 That's a way of saying, he fits in perfectly. XD
@@vario6492 I don't get how you could take that as anything other than a compliment
Hollywood as a whole needs to get off social media.
💯. Hard agree
Everyone does. It’s societal cancer and needs to go away.
How about all of humanity? 😏
@@zacharymcmillan2788 I said the same thing yet my comment disappeared. Social Media is societal cancer and we’d all be better off without it.
where then do they advertise?
The Acolyte Is the future of Star Wars, just pure DEI insanity
Yeeeessss! Yeeeessss!👩🏿🦲
Disney/Lucasfilm hasn't learned. The insanity continues, and Kathleen Kennedy is still employed. 🤷🏽♀️
But Star Wars doesn’t exist anymore so it has no future.
@@marsoelflaco5722 Hey. I happen to have it on good authority that Kathleen Kennedy will be fired soon.
Transanity
Tom Cruise failed with Mummy reboot long before Dead Reckoning. Everyone somehow forgot that movie exists.
If the Brendan Fraser Mummy had failed then the Tom Cruise one might have been worth making to try to improve, but the Brendan Fraser Mummy was (apart from an overuse of baffling CGI at some points) excellent fun viewing.
@@jiminverness honestly CGI was just fine for that time and budget. And reboot had nothing in common with it (except "undead mummy" idea) so it could work just fine. Not like there is no reason to make any bank robbery movie after the first one, or expand any other genre/sub-genre.
Reboot just had godawful script and at the same time tried to sell its cringe with dead serious face. That's all.
@@ThorneyedWT _"honestly CGI was just fine for that time and budget."_
I'm not knocking the _quality_ (or amount) of the CGI, I mean it was waaay better than The Scorpion King.
I'm saying it was overused to the detraction of the overall effect. Two examples that come to mind:
1. The giant CGI sand head that seemed totally meaningless; and
2. Gazillions of CGI scarabs move in and surround the bad guy look so unrealistic because they are too many and too perfect and synchronous...it just didn't look like a huge mass of bugs would look like.
_"And reboot had nothing in common with it (except "undead mummy" idea) so it could work just fine."_
Eh, fair enough point.
_"Not like there is no reason to make any bank robbery movie after the first one, or expand any other genre/sub-genre."_
True enough.
_"Reboot just had godawful script and at the same time tried to sell its cringe with dead serious face. That's all."_
Ok, ok, I concede. 🙂
@@jiminverness for me in 1999 both of your examples looked awesome and realistic enough. I'd say even Lawnmower man had cool CGI for its time. Only best of the best with huge budgets could manage almost seamless CGI at that time, like Jurassic Park, T2 or LotR. But still with modern eye we can easily spot flaws in lightning and animation. So give some slack those old movies.
(Scorpion King was really bad though, that I can't deny).
Fantastic panel! Love having both Mauler and Fringy on the show, and RMB and George are always reliable for discussion. Platoon is obviously a gem, love all his breakdowns especially his evisceration of Velma.
10/10
I think Hollywood has been so crap for the last almost decade that people just don't think to go to the movies anymore.
If I have a Saturday free it's a pretty hard sell at this point to go sit in a movie theater.
I'm borderline anti-cinema at this point unless it's something I am really excited about (which means nothing for the foreseeable)
Refuse to pay money to anything Disney, and in general I'd rather watch at home in a couple of months than spend $100, including a meal out.
Especially at $15 to $20 a ticket. Refreshments are also pricy.
@@samuel5591 I'm the same when it comes to Disney. No way I'm paying them for anything.
I do. I went three times this week alone.
That's me in 5 years. Are you age 36? Cause I think we think the same. I haven't aged through enough years of bad movies yet.
That superchat about Visions is utter bollocks, how anyone could say that those stories respected the lore with a straight face is beyond me.
I may be an outlier here, but Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is one of my guilty pleasures 🫣
The Fall Guy remake was fun. I think a huge issue for it is that the classic show never got a proper DVD release, it never gets rerun and it's not streaming anywhere. The other great 70s/80s action TV shows - The Rockford Files, The A-Team, Magnum PI, Knight Rider, Airwolf, The Dukes of Hazzard, Emergency! and others- all got proper DVD and/or Bluray releases, and they all got rerun a lot. There are a lot of us out there who are too young to have seen them when they originally aired, but became obsessive fans through both DVD sets and TV reruns. I personally got hooked on Knight Rider when I was a kid and it was being rerun on the SciFi Channel in the early 2000s. Now I love all those shows, and it's all thanks to TV reruns and DVD. The Fall Guy didn't get that, so as a result, there isn't nearly as much name recognition. (Part of the reason my girlfriend and I went is because we weren't familiar with the show and therefore it couldn't be ruined for us.) Add to that the lackluster marketing, the budget being too big, the stars not being enough of a draw, and the movie being solidly in the "fun, but not great" category, and there you go.
You can be passionate, but still be inept. There is a huge skill gap between the passionate people of today and yesterday.
"Between Now and Inevitable" is a fantastic book title.
And youre a fantastic commenter 🥰
Movies like the Fall Guy used to make easy money back because a lot of people would watch them on dates. Nobody goes on dates like that anymore.
I go to the theater a lot more right now, not dating, than I did when I was, because I have the free time to do so.
Most people don't date anymore because hook up apps have ruined women
@@SumDumGy Unless you go exactly twice as much or more than previously, that’s still a decrease in ticket sales compared to when you’re dating. Then there’s everybody else in this generation who isn’t going on cinema dates. Plus if you go on your own then you aren’t beholden to peak-time ticket prices. So with the best meaning, I doubt your personal change in cinema-going habits offsets the change I’m talking about in regards to all people who aren’t dating. Also there’s the “Netflix and chill” factor. Why go to pay premium at a cinema for a Fall Guy when you can stay home, put Rebel Moon on and ignore it while you do other activities?
@@kailryu That’s all nonsense and speculation on your part. There’s no basis for any of it. What I’m giving you is an actual real world experience, whether it’s representative of the majority or not, even giving you the benefit of the doubt you’d be right in your observations about theaters and dating.
Dating never really impacted my movie going. In fact, when I was dating, it was almost never a dating activity. It’s not what I want to do on a date as there’s no interactivity with my date staring at a movie screen.
As for volume, I go considerably more than just twice as often, now being single and having the time. Let’s say pre-Covid I may go to the theater once every two months. As contrast, I went three times last week alone. I’ll go at least twice this week. This year I’ve been to a theater over thirty times so far.
I don’t stream at all so that’s never a factor for me.
Young ppl don't have cars, who wants to take a bus on a date?
2. Idiots on phones
3. $20 a ticket plus $20 for a coke and popcorn
I think George may have mixed up Larry Sanders with Larry David. Larry David was the Seinfeld guy. Larry Sanders was a fictitious talk-show host played by Garry Schandling.
Acolyte has dozens of Jedi and Sith, and we all know it'll be a garbage fire.
Andor has, like, one guy who is a bit smart and that's iot. And it blew us all away.
Andor was just GOLD
@@chasehedges6775It was a little too late though. The damage to the brand had been done.
agreed. Too little too late
@@Langley_Ackerman19 Name one brand that hasn't been damaged perfectionist.
@@toshtao1Back to the future
In regards to box office numbers dropping...there are loads of reasons as discussed but let’s not forget that we conditioned the world with “STAY HOME, STAY SAFE!” messages for over 2 years.
That changed people’s behaviors for sure.
It's probably the source of all the other causes as well, such as the bad economy and Liberal Democrats going full TDS by using COVID as the means.
Combine that with stupid prices, bad movies, and nigh limitless access to streaming. Anyone who went to see The Marvels under those conditions would be an idiot of epic proportions.
@@David_the_Psalmist Exactly. Why spend $40 for tickets, $30 for snacks and $25 for gas when you can just stay home with the $15 streaming service you already pay for? People don't really have the money now.
People will still go to see a well made movie today, or at least a movie with a good advertising campaign like Barbie but there is really nothing to see these days, nearly all movies are mediocre, talking down to you, and all of them trying to prove wm.. are the new mn..
I largwly agree with that social engineering and brainwashing happened during Covid, but I can’t agree about that having much to do with movies.
Spider-Man No Way Home? Barbenheimer?
Nice to see this up now. Was very good stuff altogether, with some very thorough, satisfying discussions of Superman and much more besides.
2:00 Is Mandela becoming president of South Africa really "yeah"?? How well has South Africa done since his and his party's leadership? Since then it's been a massive downhill, with SA on the way to becoming a failed state.
ANC also established what is basically a dictatorship which has ruled SA constantly to this day.
Many people who suffered apartheid in SA back then now wish it never ended. They explained that while the institutional discrimination sucked, they had jobs and could feed themselves... and didn't worry about being randomly murdered
@@terenceblakely4328 Yes, all of society has crumbled in SA. I don't know how well Apartheid rules were drafted or enforced, but I'd assume that at least the rules were clear and people could live freely "within their own side". People don't even know that most of the black people in SA are definitely not original inhabitants of SA, but are instead people who have emigrated due to the wealth, safety, wellbeing and opportunities that the South African society provided for them...already a long time ago!
SA is a new Rhodesia -> Zimbabwe in the making.
@@terenceblakely4328 Now SA doesn't even have electricity.
"Yeah!" Is the acceptable response. Retarded, but the power of social shame and professional repercussions is immense.
I met and started dating my husband in 1994. I remember going with him to watch The Lion King in the theater. Now I think it's weird that we went to a children's movie on a date, but what I thought was weird at the time was seeing Nala give Simba bedroom eyes.....in a children's movie! I was very surprised by that.
Good movie, good choice
The Lion King 1994 is 🔥
THE BEST CHOICE
@@spacemanspud7073 Well, thank you. I suppose, considering the other movies mentioned, maybe it was a good choice. I watched Forrest Gump and Flintstones, but not with my husband in the theater (or at least, I don't think I did. That was thirty years ago, so who knows?)
@@chasehedges6775 Maybe it was. Disney movies used to be a big deal. They used to talk on tv about who made the music for it, and since I still both remember and enjoy several of the songs from it thirty years later, that really says something about the quality of the movie.
I have 2 reasons for not seeing Fall Guy. 1. I didnt know about the movie, so bad marketing. 2. Im kinda poor, watching these movies at the theatre isnt cheap
I went ahead and watched "Anyone but you" out of curiosity, obviously attracted by the two main stars of the movie (and I can tell you, they are made full use of throughout because of the hot climate the movie is set in), and came away actually invested in the two main characters and the whole setup. There was a surprising amount of chemistry and it was pretty raunchy, which I didn't expect them to do in this era if Hollywood.
But then, some of my favorite movies are High-Fidelity and Gross Pointe Blank - John Cusack romcoms about a record store owner and a hitman, respectively.
Twist ending, West world season 1 . Never saw it coming
Just saw The Fall Guy with my mom today. It was a good one but then I dont really get tired of goofy action.
I had no objections to it.
Wait...so the Hollywood insider confidently confuses Larry Sanders and Larry David? The fact that no one calls him out implies that no one on the panel watches Curb, they don't know who Garry Shandling is, and they don't know who Larry David is. I listen weekly, but man oh man...
I love Mauler and Drinker together, could easily just listen to them for a few hours. Speaking of which, when's the reaction to "Undiscovered Country" coming out? Really enjoy those.
They have great chemistry
I could easily listen to Mauler and the Drinker for 30 more minutes
Bring the Fring!
Listening at work it’s getting me through this Mother’s Day Sunday double shift!
Was doing laundry on my period! The irony!
@@Langley_Ackerman19good pun
Favourite twist: end of the pilot of The Shield.
Also has the best name in TV show history. Ass evader as the flip flopping careerist local chief
One one Hand I'd love to see an adaption of Elric of Melniboné.
But right now I am also afraid that some one would try to do it....
it is a strange time to be a fan of genere-fiction.
12:38 “Where are our new franchises?” YES!
They are developed as Video Games but as far as I can tell triple AAA game studios are addicted to making hashed out sequels so its mostly AA or indie studios actually developing new IP and franchises.
@@AlphariusandOmegon hashed out sequels with thousands of dollars in microtransactions and DLC
I know a panel of old men wouldn't like to hear this, but the answer is manga and anime. Yes, I know it can be cringey and weird a lot, but that's where new franchises are born and that's what's resonating with young people all over the world.
They literally can't do it. And I don't use the L word lightly.
To be fair, anyone that has a firestick isn't contributing to new franchises being made because you won't pay for a ticket
94 was a great year.
Ryan Gosling has so much potential why's he taking on roles that makes him look like an idiot. I saw Blade runner years ago and thought he was pretty good.
Two older movies that he's really good in are Lars And The Real Girl and Full Nelson;the fisrt one he plays a very introverted young man who brings home a "girlfriend" that's really a sex doll that he orders online,and the second one he plays a freebase addicted high school teacher in an inner-city school who finds himself bonding with one of his students.
It's modern Hollywood. There's a serious dearth of mid budget prestige movies like Whiplash of A few good men.
Nelson Mandela taking charge actually set South Africa to be in the state it's in today. Say what you will about apartheid and Botha's rule, but that a pretty big BOO.
There has been a definite decline since then, and similarly for the neighbouring country in the north
I could feel Mauler writhing in his seat as drinker described Res 7 and 8 hahaha
wtf, did i just hear you guys confuse larry sanders and larry david ? two completely different people
And of course Larry Sanders isn't even a real person. He was the character played by Garry Shandling in The Larry Sanders Show.
Absolutely an A+ panel!! Nice work drinker.
Thank you for having Robert Meyer Burnett
One of my favorite humans I’ve never met
Hey! That rhymed.
Literally was just looking for the full video!!! 🎉
Maybe that superman publicity photo is representative of the american way, but now it means turning a blind eye to the disaster going on right behind you
The Cylon reveals in the newest Battlestar, when the 6 all meet up for the first time, very good twist.
Probably late to the party with this, but the Larry Sanders Show was a fake talk show on HBO starring Garry Shandling. Larry DAVID was the Seinfeld and Curb creator.
94 saw some amazing motorbikes that resonate today.
I can't believe the Americans got The Larry Sanders show wrong.
I saw a few Fall Guy ads on the web. Honestly, I didn't know the plot. I thought it was all about making a movie. Poor marketing .
It seems that most "older people" seem to forget that Fall Guy is based on an 80's television show.
A very unknown 80's TV show.
You only knew that because you looked it up.
The "older" people who were born in the 90s or later...
Yay, "White Gold Weidler" and "On a Pale Horse." Loved them.
There's so much Tolkien adjacent material that I can't believe the studios aren't going near. So many great epics from European folklore. Peter Jackson could have his pick of volumes on top of volumes of Norse sagas and skaldic poetry he could adapt. It's a shame The Green Knight was in the hands of woke, race-swapping producers
From what I hear, the rights to the material is all over the place.
1:05:50 ~ Rob was a bit incorrect here, so to clarify: Rob spoke of Polaris when he meant Photon. Photon was one of the hero-names Monica Rambeau used, _not_ Polaris; Polaris was Lorna Dane, the "Mistress of Magnetism" in the X-men comics (whom was romantically involved with Havok, the brother of Cyclops). And sadly, I remember all of this from a time before the Drinker was born, lol. And also due to being a retired comics freelancer.
I got hooked on the X titles when I was a kid,especially New Mutants,I remember her quite well. 👍
I have to disagree about the lack of franchise material these days. John Scalzi's Old Man's War is 6 books, very compelling world building, brilliant key concept, and great action. Cherie Priest's steampunk post civil war series is I think 6-7 book, again, fascinating alternate history, where steampunk tech kept the civil war going with crazy steam engines, war blimps, also very interesting characters and lots of visual action.Rothfuss's Name of the wind, and Beuhlman's Blacktongue Thief each have massive potential, amazing worlds, once completed. Plus Holywood had Wheel of Time, Warhammer, Warcraft, Witcher, it's not a matter of no source material for this era's LOTR, it's that we aren't competent to do anything with it seemingly.
Stormligt archive could be interesting
The name of the wind? Pls no, its still not finished. It would end up like GoT last season...
GOT was essentially this era's LOTR, it just ended very badly. Most things do, really. Even most book series run too long and become filler, most popular shows fall apart or have weak endings (BSG reboot).
What you really need is a very solid three book trilogy with well defined world building, but that is also old enough that you can adapt it without irritating the fanbase when you change some parts. Like, say that Cameron had made a trilogy based on the Dragonriders of Pern, instead of his forgettable Avatar films.
Been waiting all day for this. The chasers kept me going, but the full upload is gold. Great panel too.
I think a lot of people who knew of the original "Fall Guy" myself included, rolled our collective eyes at them rebooting this just as we rolled our eyes at the Road House remake. We're tired of remakes. The new Gollum movie will fail as well, they should cancel it ASAP.
The 1994 nostalgia bomb… makes me wish for simpler times.
Love that Thomas Covenant series was mentioned.
A Drinker review of *_Gangs of London_* sure would be interesting 😃!
The thing about Eragon and the other fantasy movie adaptations is they aimed them at kids (or they were low budget efforts) Beastmaster was pretty good, so was Conan, but there's loads of other fantasy series that are aimed at adults that would be very good.
1:00:23 Gosling is like the new Edward Norton.
Trapped making forgettable films due to studio deals so that they'll fund the handful of films he actually wants to be in?
George aside, this was a much improved episode over the previous two!
Last night I saw The Amazing Spider-Man 2 for the latest Spider Monday. All five films have been nearly sold out and I’m *amazed* at how Spider-Man 3 through The Amazing Spider-Man 2 have seemingly gained a lot of traction with the public. The applause and laughter through these three films was considerably more than Spider-Man 1-2 received in my theater. Mind blown.
Teams...it's all about the team of people you assembled for the specific production.
George the Conversation Slayer
I think an important part of the "why is there nothing new?" discussion actually lies in the book world and, I imagine, in the other media spheres as well. New authors, when they're looking at trying to get an agent, are told, repeatedly, not only must they do all this research for agents who are likely to just straight ignore them so they don't even know they've gotten a rejection so they are expected to send to 60 from different agencies, not only are they supposed to know to the subgenre what to pitch their book as, not only are they do to summaries, but the most egregious thing is that they are supposed to know exactly what books the agent likes to read, and compare their work to specific books. They are supposed to say, "my book is like this list of books" (and remember, if authors were good at marketing themselves, they wouldn't need agents or publishers; the whole system exists because most authors are incompetent at these things). The whole "this meets this" thing is rife in the book world. And when you have that setup for new authors trying to look in, you have them sitting there saying "well, why would I ever try to publish anything new? They'll only accept a book that resembles what they've already read, so I'll write a book like that." So even if you escape from the franchises and make something "new," you're still actually being funneled into franchise think. "It has to resemble popular IPs in these key ways or the agent won't even look at it." Because why in the world would you go to all that trouble of researching and contacting that many agents if you weren't aiming for as near to a sure thing as you possibly could? It's massively time consuming and disheartening as a project. So just make something they can recognize. It'll be easier to write and seemingly more likely to be accepted.
And that's where creativity meets its own end.
An untapped writer that should be adapted more is Clive Barker.
Instead of a 10th bad Hellraiser sequel or a 4th bad Candyman sequel, he wrote many novels that are essentially macabre fantasy stories that are awesome, like the books of the Art or Imajica, Damnation Game, Coldheart Canyon, etc. and technology has finally caught up where you can actually bring Barker’s extremely imaginative worlds to life and do them Justice.
Clive Barker also had a good number of stories with a gay protagonists, you’d think woke Hollywood would love that?
Although when I think about it, the character being gay wasn’t the gay story Hollywood likes to tell, because it wasn’t central to the actual story being told, Barker, being gay himself, just decided to make his characters gay sometimes, he didn’t seem to ever be trying to push a social message, or identify politics, it just was what it was.
Hollywood will just ignore all of his really original ideas, to make another Pinhead film, except this time, Pinhead is female!
Actually, Disney or Pixar should adapt his Children’s books, instead of another live action remake, or menstrual analogy films.
Pretty creative dude and all-around interesting writer. I think of his book Galilee a lot even though I read it once like 15 years ago. He also was creative director of an extremely underrated FPS game, Clive Barker's Undying, where the main character is an early 1900s Irish psychic detective. Good stuff. Lots of... assaulty stuff in his books, though, but mostly because he very regularly mixed sex and violence for disturbing effect.
Eragon was the first time I was ever seriously disillusioned by a bad adaptation. I loved that book in middle school.
It’s hard to believe Fall Guy would flop considering the incredible romantic chemistry between Gosling and the British Emily Blunt - and this works amazingly well with the car-crash vibe of the movie.
Here for Little Platoon and Mr. Fring lol
Same.
And then we got one person that couldn’t keep quiet enough let the Fringy talk!
Sadly, George is also here. Otherwise…
It’s Brandon Sanderson Storm light archive. There are more great stories then ever before. They are just unwilling to take a risk on a new IP
Sanderson guarding his IPs n waiting for right deal
@@kchikweteIf I were an author I’d sure as hell be protective of my IP.
Seeing how shitty all the recent adaptations are, I'm grateful, that his books aren't adapted into movies.
Stormlight archive is up there with Wheel of time for me. So original and just freaking awesome. Brent Weeks has a series called the lightbringer saga which is amazing as well. That said I don’t trust ANYONE to make adaptations after the travesty and decimation of WOT on Amazon. Leave those stories alone.
Brando Sando is coming for these air sick low landers!
Stuntman doing stuntman things sounds like the exact reason why it didnt do well
Ryan gosling isnt necessarily a huge star but has a cult following
The fall guy trailer gave off argylle vibs. Emasculated man does what the women tell him to do.
Best TV twist is when Buffy revealed that her friends 'rescued' her from heaven and she feels like she is now in hell.
I watched it recently and thought it odd that Willow and the others had just assumed Buffy was in hell and not heaven lol. Like, why would she be in hell? I suppose maybe that was Willow's way of justifying to herself the morally questionable act of raising Buffy from the dead?
@chillpengeru to be unfair, she also stuck a soul in the body of a vampire, because she likes a shakespearen tragedy I guess.. so resurrecting a friend and not even exhuming the body first by then is par for the course.
@@chillpengeru it's definitely weird but I believe the logic was as follows.
She died because of magic (specifically a magical rift between dimensions).
Angel's death was magical as well. He died when being pushed through a magical rift and ended up in hell.
Hence, Buffy must be in hell as well.
It's a weak proof, but I can buy Willow being paranoid about it and also everyone looking for a passable excuse to try to resurrect her.
@@ackyfacky4332 yeah that's probably the best explanation. Like you said, kinda weak, but it tracks enough to believe that Willow believed it.
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You also have to remember that this is when Willow starts her descent into evil. Resurrecting the dead is for Willow just as much about "well becuase I can," as it was about "helping buffy."
no actors will come close to Ian and Viggo
As for supposed success of "Marvels" on streaming; I have my doubts that it is because that movie was popular with audience of mothers & daughters - after all this group didn't cared for "Ms. Marvel" which is one least watched show on Disney+.Why would they want to watch film with character they didn't cared for before? I suspect that if film is popular on streaming it's because general audience of Disney+ decided to watch this film since they already paid for streaming, so they may as well watch new MCU film. Same apparently was with Indi 5 - still didn't change the fact that both film lost many millions of dollars. 😁
As for "Fall Guy " - it's another remake and people are tired of those - we had them for last 20+ years and audience had enough of them.
I personally think people are watching out of curiosity as to how bad they are lol 😂
I watched The Fall Guy TV series as a kid. It didn’t deter me from going to see the movie, and having fun with it!
One of the best twists on TV is the end of Ashes to Ashes because it ties up not only that show but also gives a little coda to the ending of Life on Mars that, shockingly, doesn’t spoil it in retrospect.
We're really 30 this year...
Im in my 20s this year
IT’S OPEN BAR!
IT'S OPEN BAR!
@@xitaris5981 IT'S OPEN BAR!!!!
I don’t see the problem with the Superman reveal at all, my only issue is the background it shouldn’t have such destruction behind him. But that has nothing to do with the suit/pose/ actor, that all looks good
2:30:15 “Ach, you speak like a poet, but you punch like one too!”
Hollywood's own greed has killed the box office. Growing up in the 80's & 90's because of the technology that was available it took sometimes up to a year or more from the theater release to home release. It made both of them a special event, if you watched a trailer that you liked it enticed you to go to the theaters to watch otherwise you were waiting that year or so to have the chance to watch it at home. Now you maybe wait a month or 2 and its available for home purchase. And when you put the prices of watching something in the theaters, why spend that money when you can just wait a little bit longer and buy it for less than half the price, and be able to watch it when and how you want. Studios are chasing the quick bang for your buck, (which is clearly failing) instead of the slow burn that ultimately would make them more money just by putting those release dates farther apart. Putting that gap back in from theater to home release makes both of those dates more exciting and would naturally drive the excitement for the theaters back to what it was.
15:15 Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars series would be a great set of stories to adapt to film. I know they did it with John Carter of Mars, but there are several books in the series left to do. o
10:00 p.m.
Hell, nearly all of Edgar Rice Burroughs franchises would be gold today. Just imagine an FX level show based on Pellucidar...
Nearly all his books would have potential but modern "writers" would ruin it.
I’d love to see more adaptations of his work but not made currently.
@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Walden my thoughts exactly. I wanna see a new version of say "The Land that Time Forgot" with today's technology and updated science of dinos and such... but this era of Hollywood is the LAST era that should do it.
@@mrgodzilla7110 We’re on the same page.
Omg! Flintstones was the only movie I have ever walked out of too! I must of been 6 years old at the time.
Did you have to pull your parents out?
Shame Fall Guy flopped, it was a lot of fun. Not everything has to be tied to some multiverse or Oscar worthy. Mindless entertainment with 2 charismatic leads (Gosling and Blunt) can be healthy
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And it is.
Gollum could be one episode of an anthology of “War of the Ring”. Other episodes of Linley Mountain and other areas involved but not covered in the film. A good team could make it work.
I don’t want to see *any* new Lord of the Rings productions. Period.
If it’s anyone todays Tolkien is Brandon Sanderson and his Cosmere series
1:22:34 Or the ship's doctor's kid. That got you on the bridge as well.
What a joy to grow up in the 80s and 90s.
Speaking of other properties. I'd give the cost of five movie tickets for a 5-part Riftwar Saga that is faithful and good from Raymond E. Feist's books. Maybe a TV show because even Silverthorn, the middle book of the three, is pretty big.
The Riftwar saga is long do you think 5 would be enough? Would a TV show be a better venue for something so long?
Iwould love a TV show based on the wild card (anthology edited by George RR Martin)series
The ring of fire by Eric Flint would make an interesting TV show as well.
The ideas mentioned by the panel would also be good.
All that wishing is dependant on competent writers and the removal of DEI requirements.
@@GeryonM Sadly I'd be too scared they'd just make it shit and so I keep mostly quiet about the thought of ever seing Pug and Tomas on screen.
Saw one of the chasers. Checked the channel to see if the full vid was up, wasn't, went back to my home page and boom lol
What are the books that Robert Meyer Burnett mentioned sound the middle of the stream ? I couldn’t catch them and the video is quite long 😅
Robert, you're confusing larry sanders with larry david, who helped create seinfeld and is the star of curb your enthusiasm on hbo. Larry sanders is a character played by garry shandling
1994 was a great year for movies! Shawshank? Come on then mate!
1994 was also the year the Rangers broke the curse and won the stanley cup
Saturn was better for me, I love fighting games and arcade games. plus the Saturn had some bangers, still got a PS, for tekken.
Sega always had the games, they made one too many bad decisions on hardware unfortunately