WKK sits down with Matthew Richer Part 4
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- Is there more to the Kurt Cobain story than we know? In an exclusive interview, WKK sits down with Matthew Richer to discuss the Cobain case and reveal new insights that could reshape everything you thought you knew. This in-depth conversation is not just another look at the mysterious death of Kurt Cobain; it’s an opportunity to explore the painstaking research Matthew Richer has dedicated to understanding what actually happened to Kurt Cobain.
Having spent years talking to those closest to the case, Matthew offers perspectives and details rarely discussed. He shares updates on the Kurt Cobain case that go beyond rumors, focusing instead on evidence and long-overlooked facts. Together, we aim to get closer to the reason for Kurt Cobain’s death, with a commitment to uncovering the truth-unaffected by personal biases or emotions.
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Journalist here, 35 years experience. I recorded numerous phone interviews in the early 90s. Here is the tech we used, and most likely what Grant used.
A good quality answering machine could record phone calls. (Illegally, without the other party’s consent if you chose to do it that way. There was no audible beep to alert the other person that they were being recorded.)
Answering machines used either full size cassette tapes or micro cassettes- depending on the make/model of the machine. The recordings sounded very good, broadcast quality. For example, I used interviews I recorded with musical artists on my radio show all the time, they sounded fine for broadcast purposes.
Tom Grant most likely had such a machine both at his office and his home - since that is where the majority of his conversations were recorded.
There was also an apparatus which you could attach to the handset 📞 of a landline phone to record calls when you’re traveling away from home or the office - news reporters often used this gadget for covering news stories in the field. Tom may well have used one of these gadgets also when he was in Seattle, and needed to record calls on his primitive cell phone, hotel room phone, or a pay phone.
So In the 90s they made home phones with a mini cassette recorder, speaker phone etc. The same size tapes you use in a handheld recorder of the time. I always assume thats what Tom had in his office. This is how he taped all his coversations with courtney, rosemary. And whoever else. These types of phones were common in the 90s. I had one in my home. The tapes were mainly used to hold messages from your answering machine. However , you could also use them to tape phone calls on some models. This may not be how he did it. That's just what I think.
Yep! Absolutely correct!
I seriously doubt Tom had the ability to “tap” anyone’s phone. He was just a PI, not law enforcement.
Wiretaps require a court order from a judge, and are usually requested by law enforcement. There would be a paper trail at the courthouse documenting the request, and court order, if one was granted.
Tom has stated that several celebrities have come to him with information but because they want to be anonymous, he won't release any of that information. He always says he knows more but never elaborates; he's essentially covering up a crime. Would his tapes be admissible in court as they are illegally recorded. He's never released the full unedited chronological tapes, why? Theres a major superiority complex in him.
I agree, the best thing he can do is release more info if he has any. He claims he waiting for the case to be reopened by the police. Maybe he has something else maybe not but there's also eyewitnesses who sat on it for 30 years who are worse in my eyes.
@@DVS1NYCagreed!
When Kurt was harassing those reporters, he asks who was tapping his aunt's phone.
Yes he did 💯
I don’t believe Tom Grant not one word of anything he says
"Hit So Hard" is Patty's documentary about her life, her time in Hole and the aftermath.
Courtney's clearly on drugs during this time, her ego is disgusting and revolting.
Larry is great brother, but he knew Catlin's phone was tapped.
I just want to add I'm enjoying the interviews with Matthew Richer, and hopefully more people will come forward wanting to talk about what they saw with Kurt, Courtney or their relationship around the time he died.
@@sabbatopuella6733 the question is, how was he able to tap all of these phones? Why did he never record anything in person?
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgcause he's involved somehow. We need to find out to what extent
Cool I look forward to seeing more on your channel 😀
Is there a way to email Matthew? I dont use social media anymore so email would be my only option. I have a few questions for him. Thanks.
So let me get this straight. Matt thinks Tom had a relationship with Courtney long before she allegedly called Tom to have him look for Kurt? Maybe I'm tone deaf, but I didn't hear any "chummy" vibes in those early conversations prior to finding Kurt's body. That didn't come across to me until after Kurt was dead and Courtney was sending Tom on wild goose chases to keep everyone off her trail. But at that point, it's kind of expected when you're trying to get all the info you can out of someone you think is setting you up. You would want to be as friendly and "chummy" as possible so as to not let them on you're onto their shenannigans. Now that I think of it, in some strange and bizarre way, Tom's part in this case comes across like Roman Polanski's 1974 hit movie 'Chinatown' with Jack Nicholson playing Jake Gitts, the private investigator who gets taken for a wild ride to cover up a scandal.
What do you ladies think? Did either of you get the vibe Tom possibly knew Courtney long before April 3, 1994?
Its clear that Grants not on team Courtney. He made mistakes investigating and was a jerk to people. He fell off his high horse in a sense, and acted as a gatekeeper. People felt they can go to him and accomplish something, but get nowhere. I've heard him say he wanted people to take over. He should be more cooperative by this point and pass the torch. I've followed this since I first heard the news, if there is legit evidence, the personal vendettas need to go.
Agreed. And there is from everything I've seen Michelle and Lisa gather.
Thats what it is. A personal vendetta. @@DVS1NYC
He knew her since 1992
@@AlienGirl24 Show me proof. Give me the evidence you have. Otherwise, you're full of it.
Keep the good work up you 2❤
Just 4 mins?😢
Thanks for your great contributions to this case. Is there a chance to ask Matthew about the phone number Kurt left for Courtney after leaving the rehab? I am talking about the mysterious Elizabeth, maybe Elizabeth Peyton? It wasn't really discussed much and Mr Grant said he knows who she is, but will not talk about it unless this case gets reopened. So anyone has an idea, why Kurt left her phone number for Courtney as a possibility to follow or contact him, any idea who this Elizabeth is and if Kurt stayed in her apartment or house for a short time until he flew back from Los Angeles to Seattle?
Did you guys ever locate Katlyn? I found her on FB about 5-6 years ago, well who I believed to be her by name, age, look, and from Seattle. But the last time I checked I couldn't find her again.
Id really like to hear more about what new evidence he uncovered, such as witnesses, suspects.
Grants not sherlock holmes by any means, but theres no doubt he did a lot for the case with those recordings in that 3-5 day period where he was just suspicious of Courtney and had no idea about Kurt. Otherwise its a lot of armchair QBing.
I agree that Grant and Carroll seem more familiar with eachother than investigator/witness. My theory is Rosemary already knew Grant through her law practice possibly and she could have recommended him to Courtney. He and Carroll in a sense then turned on Courtney because Grant said he has more recordings of her being suspicious of Courtney. They could be hiding this relationship, but I dont get any sense he was actually colluding with Courtney to murder Kurt.
I already knew Tom tap those phones it was 94 that's was the only way. Ty Girls and Matthew keep up the good work 💯😀
It’s impossible to wiretap any phone without a court order
These interviews with Matthew have been great! was a bit sad it was only 4 minutes haha
@@cryptocolors7171 yeah sorry about that. This was actually a question that Michelle had forgotten to ask during the last recording so she had called just to get his take on it. There is another one that is around 9 minutes that I still have to upload. We want to propose a sit down with Matthew, Tom, ASF and anyone else that might be interested. Matthew had already accepted. We will probably make a video within the next few days suggesting it. The more of us working together on this the better.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg These interviews have been my favorite. It really sheds light on the situation. The proposed sit down would be great. Matthew already on board is good. Hopefully at least TG can accept.
Have you ever talked with ASF? Im curious how he was with you @WhoKilledKurtOrg
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgwow that would be insane a sit down with all of you
Maybe next time title it “extra question” or something bc 4 min is disappointing! But thank you for all that you do ❤
You can see the length before you click on it
Tom taped all of his calls
What about the alarm company being called to shut off alarm so they can seach for kurt? In her dads, Hanks, book he says the alarm company was called i believe 7 times. He said we know and can account for a few of those, but what about the rest? This is never talked about.
It's a good idea to divide the interview in several shorter clips. I listened to the whole interview (I'm part of Gen-X, I can handle it 😵💫) but I understand that some people, especially younger people who are used to 3 to 5 minute long videos might be intimidated by the length of it and won't listen to it.
@@Sadlander2 you wouldn't believe how many people we've had ask us to make the videos shorter. I'm the exact opposite. If rather sit down and watch everything in one setting and then maul it over than to sit and try to piece everything together. Changing of the times I guess.
I'm the same way. I love the longer versions because of my job.
@@josephvanaulen7900 same here! I do a lot of driving with clients and they're good conversation starters. Especially with the clients that are a little older and nervous about being in treatment. I noticed that addicts really tend to take an interest in this case in general. I'm always surprised by how many of my heroin addicts clients will say "I got into heroin because Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love made it look cool!"
I was 21 when Kurt left us 😄
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Same here! With these shorter things I always get worried I’ll overlook some piece of the puzzle 😂😂
Imagine thinking Tom was involved with Kurts murder
@@starwarssatan5588 literally NO ONE said that he was involved with Kurt's murder.
@WhoKilledKurtOrg right. Just insinuate a cover-up
@starwarssatan5588 no just pointing out the obvious. That this case has gone absolutely nowhere for 30 years. That he has written off leads and attempted to discredit any other person that has ever tried to make actual progress in this case
Well well well
How the turntables... 👀
Looking good Michelle! 😍😍😍
It's a.i bro lol
Tom knew Courtney and Kurt since 1992 July or August
The interview where Kurt said hire a Hitman he was looking and thinking about a hitman the interview by the shore in Seattle watch it for your self I just noticed that you telling it was on his mind CL hired Tom then I think 🤔 let me know what you think ty
Got proof? Sounds like a buch of hearsay to me.
@@christysayers41 Tom Grant is not a hitman. Tom Grant is a private investigator.
@@christysayers41I'll have to look into it
Dang, only 4 minutes...
As someone who is new to the party? Can someone explain why there's so much suspicion around tom grant? Isnt he instrumental in bringing the case to the public? Could someone fill me in?
@@ChrisWelsh-t4x The suspicion comes in at there never being an inch of progress for the past 30 years. His adamant defense of Dylan Carlson. His writing off and discrediting every single lead that has ever come his way. His inability to work with others. The fact that every single person that had ever worked with him in any capacity refuses to have anything at all to do with him. His downright rude, hateful, judgemental, public humiliation of others. His behavior when anyone asks a question outside of his regurgitated narrative. The fact that the SPD refuses to touch anything that his name is attached to. The fact that he has done very little actual investigation when it comes to this case outside of illegally obtained phone recordings. -Lisa
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg But if he hadn't of recorded rosemary Carroll for example? would any of what we now know about kurt and courtney's relationship be common knowledge? Or the handwriting practice sheet? The recordings of him and Dylan searching the house coming across the rohypnal under the mattress and not finding any supposed "second note" anywhere on the bed like courtney had claimed? That's proof positive she was lying and without those recordings we wouldn't know that?
Maybe the Seattle police aren't interested in helping tom because they know they'd have alot to answer for?
Forgive me what do mean when you say tom never properly investigated the case? I'm not asking to be rude I just want to have a better understanding of why you think that was?
@ChrisWelsh-t4x almost all of Tom's evidence is easily disproven. Why didn't he attempt to track down and question any of the people who were known to be at the house that week? Even when Courtney was telling him EXACTLY where to find them? Why had he never tried to employ actual legal counsel and go about things the correct way? Why has he never pursued the Forensics in this case? When we gave him the autopsy he never even attempted to get it authenticated or reviewed. He just went straight to posting it to his website so that people could provide him for it. We have absolutely no context as to why certain things are being said in those calls and the rosemary Carrol recording is extremely important but it has also caused her to completely shut down and never speak about Kurt's death again afterwards. Over the years Tom had charged countless unsuspecting fans hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars for phone calls all while refusing to actually answer any of their questions. He has attempted to discredit anyone that has ever tried to get close to this case over the years. He places demands on others all while being allowed to claim that he has all of this groundbreaking evidence but refuses to provide any of it or even prove that he has it. There isn't a single person that has ever heard those recordings in their entirety. Tom isn't the first person that brought attention to Kurt possibly being murdered either. That was Richard Lee, who Tom also has adamantly called names and tried to discredit for the past 30 years. Tom has actually done very little outside of those phone calls. Why did he never record Courtney in person? Why isn't Lanagan on any of the recordings with Dylan? Why does Tom flat out REFUSE to talk about anything outside of his outdated narrative?
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Didn't ian halperin and max wallace listen to all the tapes in their entirety? I mean I don't know for certain but max wallace definitely alluded to the fact that he and ian sat with tom and listened to hours and hours of all tape recordings? Which recordings are you referring to? I've seen a youtube short of courtney referring to bonnie and what sounds like something beginning with j but it cuts off before you can hear who? When was that Call made before kurt had died or after?
I don't know tom grant I've never met him maybe you know him personally therefore you'd probably have a better understanding? If people have uncovered information about Kurt's death and tom has taken credit for it then absolutely that's disgraceful but who are they and what information specifically have they on the matter?
Believe me I'm not trying to pick sides? I've always believed kurt was murdered. We all want justice and hopefully it can happen sooner rather than later.
@ChrisWelsh-t4x actually Maxx Wallace is very clear in his book that Tom would not allow him or Ian to hear the calls in their entirety.
Just to name a few things from this year alone that he has taken the credit for are Neil Low getting involved and releasing the autopsy. Tom was given the autopsy by us and promised that it wouldn't be made public. American Spy Fox is the one that found Neil Low.
He also takes the credit for all of Matthew Richer's research including the book that Matthew wrote. There are quite a few videos on our channel pertaining to Tom Grant.
Wtf. 4 minutes. You obviously know what happened that guy Mathew does just say it..
@@briankennedy1192 haha actually this was just a question that Michelle happened to ask him after they had already finished part 3 so she turned the camera back on. But of course you're welcome to your opinion.
A hope you find evidence💪🏼🫶🏻🙏🏻
They have. But they need more. Much more. They have to make an airtight case so the SPD will re-open the case. So far they've proven the last four lines of the letter are not Kurt's. Kurt had evidence in his throat of an overdose. There were other drugs in his system which was also found in his root beer can, beside heroin. And an examiner confirmed Kurt was dead before he was shot. But they ran into a road block there. The examiner wouldn't sign off on it because they didn't know where the drug testing sample was taken from on Kurt's body. And the Seattle examiner's office cannot give Michelle and Lisa what the examiner needs because of privacy laws. Only Courtney or Frances could sign off on it, and they, for very obvious reasons, would never do that. Right now, they're working with a firearms expert to see if Kurt could've shot himself. If they can prove that it was impossible, then that may very well be all it takes for the SPD to re-open the case.