QUESTIONS ANSWERED: 1.) Kurt did not have an open casket funeral, Krist was allowed to view the body before cremation. 2.) I’ve heard that the restaurant was either a McDonalds or a Jack in The Box. 3.) Source is from the book “Love and Death”
God I feel for Krist, could you imagine coming up the way they did? Growing up with Kurt in such a small town and jamming out in bedrooms to being the biggest rock band in the world and then basically 2 1/2 years later it’s all done and your best friend is dead. Fame killed Kurt Cobain
Kurt was a junkie, they will say or try anything to get high, it's only heartbreaking that Kurt was such a jerk to his friend who was only trying to help him and then selfishly killed himself leaving Krist to deal with it, but that's what junkies do
@@pauljones8801 I think Kurt was past the point of doing it to get high. I think he was doing it so he wouldn't get dopesick. Anyway, yeah that's true they'll say anything to get a hit. Heroin changes the structure and composition of the addict's brain. It can even damage and alter DNA.
@@pauljones8801 kurt wasnt a jerk to krist.. he was literally having a mental breakdown, you will never know how traumatizing it is to be sent to a ward, unless you experience it. its obvious you havent. also suicide is not selfish. kurt was a mentally ill man, and he was already depressed before the huge arise of fame. all his pain and the unwanted attention got the best of him, and there was no way for him to control that. and if you knew anything about him you would know he literally wanted to live, because he knew courtney and frances would be devastated. the fact that when someone kills themselves, and you immediateley worry about YOURSELF, and how it will affect the rest of YOUR life, is the ONLY thing, regarding a suicide, that is selfish. and i dont know what you think kurt left krist to deal with.. he doesnt wish malice upon anyone, he was a very sweet guy and any person who had met him would tell you
@@pauljones8801 it's hard you can't really control it, drugs change people so much, in one moment you are yourself, in another you are a selfish bastard. it's just so sad.
Crying? Over a story of 2 best friends getting in a fight... Either you are really going through something or you've never been outdoors. Take it easy. Talk to friends and loved ones.
I think what you were feeling is called empathy. It's when you feel for others you don't know and situations you haven't experienced. It's a good thing that you're an empathetic person. Don't let internet curmudgeons convince you otherwise.
Krist Novoselic was Kurt's truest friend from the beginning to the end.. I can't imagine watching your best friend devolve into a shell of what they were trying to help them but ultimately unable to do anything to stop it
Kurt didnt do that to himself. Please look at Courtney's extensive criminal record and spending of money. She flipped out because he finally filed for legal divorce. Take a clear look at the forensics. The forensics tell the truth, not Courtney's story she planted all over the media. #Justiceforkurt #Soakedinbleach
@@killroy2010 amen theres a reason why him and dave never say anything, or keep it real vague. also their answers have changed over the years....krist refused to go to the wedding cuz he didnt support their relationship
you are totally wrong on the contrary kris is very stable kris and someone extremely solid and mentally strong it's not because he cried his childhood friend who is screwed on the contrary kris has a career in politics quite respectable !
Krist loved Kurt tho. Them 2 stayed together through it all and always had each other’s back’s publicly like the axl fight. They were 2 friends that didn’t wanna control each other they just wanted to exist. All real friends have a fight at some point, fights come from caring too much usually….
i think krist was great.. but the alleged 'dragging him through the airport' sounds like something no one, especially a drug addled superstar, would want to put up with... super sad tho..
@@somenothing7914 yes but kurt had a responsibility to his bandmates and everyone who paid for ticketrs to go on tour. he wasn't forced at gunpoint to participate in a band and if he didn't want to go on tour he could've said so prior, but this was purely because of his crippling addiction. i like his music but people paint him out as a victim too much, krist didn't deserve to be treated like that.
I've thought about that before also...especially if you were someone who was a fan and had heard the news about Rome weeks earlier...this airport scene must have been one of the most bizarre, surreal and insane things to witness
I'm waiting for someone who was actually there to verify this story. It's hard to believe this happened and nobody said anything. It's possible. Not everyone is a Nirvana fan or knew who he was, but airports are usually busy places. Why no one came out and said "yeah I was there" especially after he died is odd.
i fracking hate airports "check my other post here or i'm a douchebag" ..............why can't people just chill the frack out and take boats and ride the train..i'm at airports suck and they always have...no band should tour on the other side of the planet that's why god made languages or something actually music is the universal language or love is not courtney "with a k" ...kourtney? "no the word not don't be stupid im trying to be a kurt cobain impersonator" you're actually horrible at it...sorry...what was i saying....yeah...i don't know flying is stupid except for maybe A.F.M.s which my phrase for UFOs its called alien flying machines...that's a mitchedberg joke "a new one" for real? or is that at bullshit? what i was saying...i don't know oh yeah....air ports are the worse except for rehab and mental hospitals, and playing shows at college dorms....anyways if you're a spirit looking over a cadeaver i mean decendent please come by my block party.....get to corpus christi then headout ...pass the airport....pass texas farm road 666 and start telling vampire jokes. this will lead you straight to my place i'm trying to trace all the spirits that have been alive since christ...some people already incarnated , but it shouldn't be difficult to get this all straight before the apocalypse get's geared up...
@@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders Yeah man you'd think someone would have got his iphone out and filmed it and put it up on instagram or world star or something
Wow. Rough stuff. I think I can detect that by Krist saying "He should have never done that..." that a therapist or someone has helped him realize that he did all that one person could do really and that it was never his fault in any way (survivor's guilt?). Bless him. You can see how difficult this has been on him.
Him saying he really shouldn't have done it really made it click for me, such a complicated situation I really hope he's found the peace he was looking for
I'm not sure, but I think I read about it in Everett True's book. The book left me with a very heavy feeling. I still had a band then and it seemed to me absolutely meaningless its existence. Today, I am reassured only by the fact that such stories, most likely, will not be more. Modern show business continues to eat people, but does not make them such large-scale stars
It's surprising it's taken nearly 3 decades for this story to be talked about. I know it was first written in Heavier than heaven but most people wrote it off as tabloid gossip back then. I just feel for Krist. Dude's been through enough & doesn't need to re-live this.
Thank you so much for making this video, being a huge Nirvana fan and thinking I knew a lot, this video changed my entire outlook on Krist, and I never knew how much he went through
the fact that krist drove him straight to the airport shows that he cares a lot about kurt, since if he brought him to the restaurant he would just be on drugs again
I imagine that Krist was the person in Kurt’s life that would NOT put up with his drug addiction and truly loved him as a person, brother, and friend. Yes it is the most tragic ending, sad, but he tried. In some sense he was successful because Kurt went to rehab. But then maybe he gave in. I wish someone could have locked him up in a house for a month. I also wish he had a good woman in his life. He would still be here today.
Unfortunately that’s not how it works. Locking someone up for a month won’t change a thing. Neither will beating your friend up at the airport. In order to deal with addiction, a person needs to be able to heal in whatever time frame it takes, with compassion and support. I totally understand that it can be the mist frustrating thing for family and friends. But ganging up on Kurt and trying to force him to do it on their terms was a poor choice.
Courtney Love had Kurt killed for his money . If she would have given Kurt time he would have killed himself with drugs and excess . He was a train wreck.
I feel like Courtney gets blamed a lot for Kurt. And yes, I think they were very codependent (as most addicts are) but also- I think she wanted to be better for Frances. I saw that documentary awhile back on HBO and honestly you could really tell Courtney loved Kurt, but also like anyone who was involved w Kurt- her entire existence is being asked questions about Kurt on a pretty regular basis- even now. And there's a huge, well known conspiracy theory (or several honestly) that Courtney killed Kurt, blah blah blah. The truth is (very tragically and sadly) that Kurt had suicide ideation for such a long time and was very honest about it. His state of mind from addiction really didn't help. I hope he's at peace now ❤
It's impossible to imagine the mind frame of someone who's experience of themselves is so excruciatingly painful for them, that they just have to die. An ex-addict friend of mine with some lingering mental health issues was having a tough time, a woman had politely rejected his romantic intentions at work, and some other life stuff going on, he told some of us friends of his he was struggling, but no mention of any suicide ideation - even when outright asked, he'd smile and say 'no, it's not that bad' - he was part of a small community of people who loved him. Then he was found dead in his apartment one day - he'd gone and got some smack (after not using any mood or mind altering substances for over 3 years) and injected a lethal dose. He'd clearly spent some time making sure his flat was immaculate, washed the dishes and had hung laundry out to dry, written a note to his mum saying goodbye and to forgive him, and then tied off - gone.
Krist was an absolute beast of a man so I don't think he couldn't have beaten Kurt in a fight if he wanted too. He clearly loved his friend too much and didn't want to hurt him.
I was a teen during Nirvana's heyday, and part of watching them was wondering what goofy thing Krist would do next. Afterwards you could definitely see the change, he was somber, quiet, and serious, instead of this childish goofiness he used to put off.
I was 8 turning 9 when Kurt died and it changed all of our lives. My Brother was about to turn 15 and we are and come from a pretty musical family. Our Gma and Mother were drummers, our Gma being a professional Jazz Drummer from the 40's till her Death. Our Paternal Gpa was in a Country music band that opened for Johnny Cash and that whole gang early on. So, very young we all played something, my Bro Guitar, Sis Drumms, and myself Bass and a bit of guitar. Our Sis can really play anything but doesn't give a shit bc she is a super Mom now lol. Anyways, we were just salt of the earth kids that didn't really fit in and we found our people in Grunge and Rock music from a very young age. 30 years later my Hubs and I still Listen to Nirvana like they are the hot new thing! TY guys You Changed our lives!!!
No doubt. It's very hard, and then on top of it. I know this part from personal experience. Other people like to act like they knew Cobain better than Novaselic did. Nobody knew Cobain better than Novaselic, I just wish Cobain didn't have such an affinity for filth (Courtney). That would've been a perfect next album name, Filth. Nirvana Filth.
It he walks out the front door, he has to confront the staff who are not just going to say, “goodbye Kurt, hope you enjoyed your stay!” Plus they are going to notify his people. Easier to just jump the wall and be done with it. Probably bought him a good half hour before anyone noticed
@@skrunklyOwOyeah but what they were saying (obviously) is that he would’ve had to sign out/check out. like on paper. meaning staff would have interacted with him and most likely contacted people who knew him such as his wife
Kurt brought his favorite guitar that Ernie Bailey (their guitar tech had worked on for Kurt specifically) Krist would say to Ernie "Man he loves that guitar" Kurt wound up bringing the guitar on this very trip, without it's case and sadly it was just one more important thing to him that he lost along his way, being that he wound up throwing it at Krist right before he fled the airport.
Ok ..rome was a accident Everyone said that bandmates,doctor,even Courtney I remember it plain as day them saying that and now since he is dead it's a suicide..ok something smells fishy.
Someone intent on offing themselves doesn't want to make it really well known. Otherwise people might try to stop it. That's why the Rome incident was an accident. I personally think that Cobain could've demanded not to tour and he should did that right at the end of 1993. He was in a position to make demands. No more touring, only albums.
Krist was known in Aberdeen to be a brawler, but Kurt was scrappy. Depends on what you're fighting for...He has never had the same light in his eyes since Kurt died... P.S. It was a Jack in the Box, not McDonald's, not important.
@@thehistorybuff8265 I know that’s what happened to me put me down for the rest of the day or at least those last two chapters and hearing about the fight between him and krist was probably the saddest or at least close
If ypuve ever loved anyone (in any sense of love capacity) who is an addict, there comes a point where you realize that youncant force them to be better or do better unless they want to.
Poor Krist. i can’t imagine what its like seeing your closest friend spiral and lose themself to drugs, the last interaction you have with them is a physical fight.
Whats even worse was the reporter asking Krist, Where would nirvana be today if Kurt wouldn't have died,,, FFS, He just poured his heart out, I would have said sorry, Then asked a far diffrent question, Like what have you been doing after that tragic day, Or what is your fondest memory of the band, Something that still makes you laugh,,, Switch the attitude to something lighter,
Either the drug abuse is catching up, old age, or the CTE, but I don't remember ever hearing about this fight between Krist & Kurt. This is some heavy shit, man.
Confronting an addict in this way is an extremely poor choice of action. People didn’t know any better back then. People end up on heroin because of extreme trauma. The last thing you do is corner them and force them into an even more vulnerable position. A person can only get through something as brutal as that with compassion and support. Threats, physical violence and everyone in your life saying ‘you have to go to rehab now’ will almost never work. It will just make the person feel more isolated.
@@somenothing7914 The thing is, you're not sure which method is going to work best. There's multiple methods to go about doing this, obviously an intervention was wrong in this case, but it's hard to know what to do. Cobain could probably sense Courtney Love was about to come down on him and control every aspect of his life. She was going to make a huge deal like he was missing, even though he wasn't missing, he was just at home. She made it impossible to contact her at the hotel she was at, but he tried to call. She blames the hotel for that, she told them anybody calling has to have the password.
I red something 20 Years ago, somewhere that Cobain did not talk to anybody during an entire week after Rome. Around mid march.....i understand better when his two band mates say it was weird, Kurt was weird at that point. It seems like drugs have taken control. So sad.
Also, at 1:53, Kurt is wearing gloves. Layne Staley also wore gloves when he was super deep in his addiction and trying to hide the evidence. Its so sad 😞
I feel sorry for Kurt. He was the golden goose they were all relying on. That pressure would have been insane whilst battling serious addictions. He needed to go to an island away from everything
i could feel the way he was thinking. i’ve been homeless and staying at friends and over a love that didn’t go well i was over doing snow and xanax and my emotions were everywhere i tried to kill myself a few times and i remember vividly wanting to go thru with it if i was alone i didn’t have parents in the local city nor did they know who i was. i was alone and had music and skateboarding i use to sit under a bridge as well and watch the truckee river go as it brings its coldness i had no friends but those who skated. i would sit there crying hungry asf always bothering friends for even just a shower. it makes me sad kurt is gone i really really wish i coulda met him. if ya care i’m okay now i worked outta that situation and am not doing any hard drugs anymore it’s been almost a whole year ago. and i started making music to help cope with not wanting to go back to drugs and it’s going good. yea that love that fucked me up, she was also the one supplying the drugs and blinding me with lust.
Ballsy move punching a guy who’s a good foot taller than you. I feel so bad for Krist, he was just trying to help his friend. Heroin is a horrible drug.
I thought Kurt asked krist to take him to jack in the box because they weren't as greasey as the one they were at and krist got mad after he found out Kurt was just trying to get drugs and be closer to his dealers.
I read a comment lately which said that basicallys said: maybe this is not the (whole) truth. I can't remember exactly now bit it seemed quite logical. He basically put Kurt into the hands of his murderer. That would also explain his guilty feelings
@@peterheinzelmann3335 According to accounts of Cobain's last month, he had his friend Dylan buy a shotgun and shells. He had to ditch those shells, so he bought some new shotgun shells when he got back to Seattle. On two occasions in his last week he acquired shotgun shells. If someone murdered him, Cobain gave them a perfect way to escape blame.
@@sconni666 From Charles Cross's book: "Despite rumors to the contrary, the corpse was recognizable as Kurt, though the scene was ghastly: The hundreds of pellets from the shotgun shell had expanded his head and disfigured him. [ . . . ] On Saturday, April 9, Jeff Mason was employed to take Courtney to the funeral home to view Kurt’s body before it was cremated-she had already requested that plaster casts be made of his hands. Grohl was also invited, and declined, but Krist came, arriving before Courtney. He spent a few private moments with his old friend and broke down crying. As he left, Courtney and Mason were brought into the viewing room. Kurt was on a table, dressed in his nicest clothes, but his eyes had been sewn shut. It was the first time Courtney had been with her husband for ten days, and it was the last time their physical bodies would be together. She stroked his face, spoke to him, and clipped a lock of his hair. Then she pulled his pants down and cut a small lock of his pubic hair-his beloved pubes, the hair he had waited so long for as an adolescent, somehow these needed to be preserved. Finally, she climbed on top of his body, straddling him with her legs, and put her head on his chest and wailed: 'Why? Why? Why?'"
This is one of the saddest stories. I feel so bad that was the last time they saw each other, and if Kurt only knew that those were going to be his last words he would've felt so bad.
Imagine being best friends with someone since high school and they punch you in the face and throw f bombs then run away then a few days later kill themself like bro that would be so sad I feel bad for krist 😢
Although the fight was horrible, I know Krist was just coming from a place of love and genuine worry. I think he knew Kurt was getting bad mentally and deep into his addiction. Guys have a funny way of trying to knock some sense into their friends and tbh I’ve heard it being a normal thing back then a punch thrown and then realization and amends. I don’t think Krist knew that would really be his last time seeing his best friend… and he probably regretted it but I know he only did it to be like “dude wake up in not letting you get fd up because you got a kid and a family that loves you and i care” but it just came out wrong cause kurt didn’t want the help. :/ That genuinely is so heartbreaking… you can’t save someone that doesn’t want to be saved.
This is not the fault of Krist since he most likely just didn’t understand addiction especially back then. As someone who was also addicted to heroin it’s really important to get that last high before heading off to rehab. Krist should’ve let Kurt go to the mickey d’s. As you see Kurt ran off got high and decided it was okay to go to rehab the next day. It’s also not good to force someone to do this when they are not ready. I understand they were just trying to help and they cared a lot for the guy, but maybe if they just waited it out a little bit Kurt would’ve checked himself into rehab on his own accord. Maybe he’d be alive today. Or maybe he would’ve died of an overdose. You never know. But something tells me this intervention was the last straw that contributed to his suicide.
Krist was just being a good friend to Kurt. Dave even told him not to do any harm on himself over the phone. Courtney tried to revive him numerous times b4. She said in 1of her interviews. Poking needles onto his private parts. Cuz he was in an oblivion state of mindset. Since when did Love knew how to revive him tho as a nurse as a doctor as a caregiver as a caretaker as a wife as a his own baby sitter.
You know what's in airports? Cops. Security. Cameras. People. Strange to think the scene described here happened _at all,_ that it was allowed to happen and that no one heard about this until almost 30 years later? Sus.
All I can say is Kurt was clean during In Utero album making that was 14 days, he was clean in Rome, he was clean in Rehab and Dr's said he wasn't self destructive, when slim moon and nanny Jackie Ferry went to see him they was surprised cause he DIDN'T LOOK LIKE SHIT OR STRUNG OUT. This don't sound like a junkie all strung out. CL had reported to cops a few times Kurt was, locked in a room, threatening self harm and has gun's, it was false all 3 times. I believe after tge coma he was not himself. I believe ppl around him had him zonked on roofies like in Rome, he was dead when shot with a shotgun, hence no big bloody mess. Look at other self harms with shotgun or killings. It's messy. Roger Lewis wrote a paper on cases like his and for him to do what is said is not impossible but highly unlikely. Ppl with that much dope in system can't sit without falling over, let alone put kit away, grab gun, use it. Dr Ceryil Wecht said in all of his 40k plus cases his done himself, many thousands hes been asked to comment about, had a part of or looked into, his is only 1 to do what kurt did. He looked in JFK so since the mid 60s. All they fought about was the will. Rosemary said he called her wanting wife written out. CL made him sign a prenup. Not other way around. He was why she got signed to Geffen, his name is worth millions. She cares only about money and fame. She ripped up the new will and said It's all mine to Wendy and others in room and threw in fire. She said for all to jeep quiet or his step sister was next. El Duche passed 2 polygraphs to highest degree when asked Did CL offer 50k to whack Kurt Cobain. Test was given by Edward Gelb. The top polygraph examiner and tester in the world at the time that taught FBI, CIA etc to give and read tests. The 3 letter agencies and more gov careers require a polygraph to get the job. Kurt wanted to break up band, wanted to get his life in order and divorce and be clean. His stomach was fixed in summer of 93. He was on Subutex that stops the user from feeling high no matter how much or what dope they snort, shoot, smoke etc. Tom Grant has investigated a few deaths made to look like self harm. He feels like he was murdered. Ex police chief Norm Stamphor said if he was chief his death would be looked into again and get it right this time. There's a possibility he OD, but no gun play. CL knew where he was when she hired tom. She told Dylan on fone at Rosemary house to LOOK IN Greenhouse. He didnt. She then called Veca electric and told them to stop work on house and start on greenhouse. The alarm company was called 7 times to turn off alarm. 2 was Tom, 1 was Eric to 'Look for Kurt and shotgun'. He was also the last 1 to see Kristin alive. So many inconsistencies and unanswered questions. ME told reporters same day 2 hours after seeing his body it was self harm. 7 days later he signed off on death certificate. No tests was back yet. Gun wasn't checked for prints until after kurt was cremated. That sound like the norm for anyone? Body's gone before prints are checked on a death weapon? No.
No doubt for me he was murdered . Too much money involved . I saw the 2 documentaries and it opened my eyes . Also , listen to what Iggy Pop said : " Courtney Loves Kurt Money ! " " Kurt was killed by people around him " - ( it's online )- There is also a very good reading about Kurt by Sloan Bella the psychic ( She is really good ) - The channel AmericanSpyFox is very informative . He just posted a video about Kristen Pfaff , he speaks about the missing pages of her diary .
@@elborbah3045 Watched spy for years now. He puts out great info. True psych ward is another and there's a 5 n half hr doc on him on YT. It's long but he puts down all tge facts and the sources. So no empty info. Glad to have u on the justice for Kurt team.
@@jasonchristopher2977 Glad to see your comment here ! How can people still say he commited suicide , it's unbelievable ! Nothing makes sense ! Thanks for the info channels you talked about . Also , i think Kat Bjelland from Babes in Toyland knows things ... Just a feeling .
@@elborbah3045 Likewise. In this day and age of 2022 and what happened these past 2 years, how can anybody not question things? Old and new. How many ppl that was gonna say things wind up dead before things was said? Oh he shot himself 3 times in back of head, then hung, electrocuted and put 3 bags over his head then drowned in a teaspoon of water. Sheeple go Yup, that make perfect sense. Come on. I know that's a bit much but it's not too far off. We c all these videos of ppl on regular doses and they can't sit up straight, let alone do what he did with a huge amount. They get hung up on tolerance. He was clean alot of the time. Yes addicts often have clean time and relapse. But he weighed 115 pounds. He had levels that Roger Lewis, Dead men dont pull triggers, Free to read when u get time to look up, the chances are slim to none. Just like now with Poloseis husband attacked by a MAGA freak. Elon said hold up. That's not the whole truth. He was drunk and fighting with a gay hooker. But that never happens to ppl like them. After Me2, all the facts came out, Epstein, all the facts came out. It's always that's crazy, can't be until it's said, shown and proven to be true. Truth is stranger than fiction. It really is. I'm from where Dr Wecht is from. Very close. That man is the king of pathology. Yes he didn't see the autopsy report, but he did know the case as much as he could. He said highly unlikely. I mean El Duche passes a polygraph, 2 times, saying CL asked him to do kurt in for 50K. He dies days after. Last ppl to see him, Wrench. He dropped him off at Liquor store he says and that's last time he saw him. But he shows Love and Death Authors, The spot he died. How'd he know the exact spot he died if he not there? That's like me doing it and saying I know exact time. How if I wasn't there? I was 15 when he died. My uncle worked Cleveland Police homicide. I gave him Toms case file. I asked does any of how this case was investigated look ok at all. He laughed and said Nothing the cops did make any sense and won't to any investigator who has ever been a cop, PI or a 3rd of regular folks who watch any true crime show. There's way too much to say he died the way it's said. I know well prolly never know the whole truth, but I get so mad when I read or see or hear anything about him and they say self harm. Good media just says Untimely death.
@@jasonchristopher2977 Totally agree ! Also the nanny that was alone in the house at night , hear noise , call Kurt , hear nothing and go back to sleep . ? As a woman i will freak out and do something ! " ok it's not Kurt , it can be a serial killer , i am ill and cold , i go back to bed " ( btw i don't think she had the flu ... ) Concerning the Pelosi ... tell me how at the age of internet where everybody knows anything about famous people , how "Hammerman" planned his attack the day she is not there ?😂 Btw how do you know this info ? Just curious !
QUESTIONS ANSWERED:
1.) Kurt did not have an open casket funeral, Krist was allowed to view the body before cremation.
2.) I’ve heard that the restaurant was either a McDonalds or a Jack in The Box.
3.) Source is from the book “Love and Death”
Courtney Killed Kurt
Pretty sure it was a Jack in the Box. And yes Courtney was behind Kurt's murder for sure!
@@Kat.Evangeline yeep us true nirvana and Kurt fans know this as does the American spy fox channel
Kurt's bio fills in alot. Love and Death is quite biased
This clip is inaccurate
Poor Krist. He was never the same after Kurt's death. The change in him was devastating.
Nah, he was glad to be rid of the baggage, junkies are losers
@@pauljones8801 so are trolls
@@pauljones8801 it's funny how i can still see comments that you decide to delete, huh?
What a ridiculous statement. You need to research this much deeper. Chris has profited from the music royalties of Nirvana like a bandit.
@@stellarjuju8788 the last encounter he had with Kurt Cobain was when he physically assaulted him at the airport
God I feel for Krist, could you imagine coming up the way they did? Growing up with Kurt in such a small town and jamming out in bedrooms to being the biggest rock band in the world and then basically 2 1/2 years later it’s all done and your best friend is dead. Fame killed Kurt Cobain
Marriage killed Kurt Cobain. Plenty of people who aren't famous are killed by their wives too
@@madhatter8508 Oh God, another conspiracy nut
it wasnt fame it was drugs
@@isaxeleven Fame was a big reason why he started using. That and his health problems
@sandpiper9288wrong. He used once or twice back then. It became a problem when he could afford it.
I mean, I knew Kurt's death had a big affected on Krist, but knowing this was the last interaction they had is heartbreaking
Kurt was a junkie, they will say or try anything to get high, it's only heartbreaking that Kurt was such a jerk to his friend who was only trying to help him and then selfishly killed himself leaving Krist to deal with it, but that's what junkies do
@@pauljones8801 I think Kurt was past the point of doing it to get high. I think he was doing it so he wouldn't get dopesick. Anyway, yeah that's true they'll say anything to get a hit. Heroin changes the structure and composition of the addict's brain. It can even damage and alter DNA.
@@pauljones8801 kurt wasnt a jerk to krist.. he was literally having a mental breakdown, you will never know how traumatizing it is to be sent to a ward, unless you experience it. its obvious you havent. also suicide is not selfish. kurt was a mentally ill man, and he was already depressed before the huge arise of fame. all his pain and the unwanted attention got the best of him, and there was no way for him to control that. and if you knew anything about him you would know he literally wanted to live, because he knew courtney and frances would be devastated. the fact that when someone kills themselves, and you immediateley worry about YOURSELF, and how it will affect the rest of YOUR life, is the ONLY thing, regarding a suicide, that is selfish. and i dont know what you think kurt left krist to deal with.. he doesnt wish malice upon anyone, he was a very sweet guy and any person who had met him would tell you
@@pauljones8801 it's hard you can't really control it, drugs change people so much, in one moment you are yourself, in another you are a selfish bastard. it's just so sad.
I almost cried listening to this. It hurts hearing what drugs can do to someone with a personality like Kurt.
i think there were some other issues he had. love issues you can call it.
Crying? Over a story of 2 best friends getting in a fight... Either you are really going through something or you've never been outdoors. Take it easy. Talk to friends and loved ones.
@@shadcovert1160 I said *almost*
Aw , it’s upsetting hearing about people you know nothing about.
I think what you were feeling is called empathy. It's when you feel for others you don't know and situations you haven't experienced. It's a good thing that you're an empathetic person. Don't let internet curmudgeons convince you otherwise.
Krist Novoselic was Kurt's truest friend from the beginning to the end.. I can't imagine watching your best friend devolve into a shell of what they were trying to help them but ultimately unable to do anything to stop it
I feel so sorry for Krist. It must be horrible to lose your best friend to suicide. Also extra sad that their last interaction was a fight
Real friends have fights, happens a lot when people care about each other and the things they do…
Kurt didnt do that to himself. Please look at Courtney's extensive criminal record and spending of money. She flipped out because he finally filed for legal divorce. Take a clear look at the forensics. The forensics tell the truth, not Courtney's story she planted all over the media. #Justiceforkurt #Soakedinbleach
He didn’t kill himself kirst doesn’t even want to think about what really happened because it’s so much worse
@@killroy2010 amen theres a reason why him and dave never say anything, or keep it real vague. also their answers have changed over the years....krist refused to go to the wedding cuz he didnt support their relationship
@@rossdelemarre I still get angry when kirst says sucide though when he’s put on the spot
I really think this experience traumatized Krist. He was never the same after this moment.
I wouldn't be the same either. He handles it good all things considered. Strong dude and Kurt Cobain had a good friend.
you are totally wrong on the contrary kris is very stable kris and someone extremely solid and mentally strong it's not because he cried his childhood friend who is screwed on the contrary kris has a career in politics quite respectable !
Krist loved Kurt tho. Them 2 stayed together through it all and always had each other’s back’s publicly like the axl fight. They were 2 friends that didn’t wanna control each other they just wanted to exist. All real friends have a fight at some point, fights come from caring too much usually….
i think krist was great.. but the alleged 'dragging him through the airport' sounds like something no one, especially a drug addled superstar, would want to put up with... super sad tho..
@@somenothing7914 yes but kurt had a responsibility to his bandmates and everyone who paid for ticketrs to go on tour. he wasn't forced at gunpoint to participate in a band and if he didn't want to go on tour he could've said so prior, but this was purely because of his crippling addiction. i like his music but people paint him out as a victim too much, krist didn't deserve to be treated like that.
@@days23411 he has a responsibility to maintain his own wellbeing first..... it obviously wasn't
@@somenothing7914 if he didn't do drugs he wouldn't have had the withdrawals he was going through
@@days23411 correct
Imagine walking through the airport like normal and then seeing this happen
I've thought about that before also...especially if you were someone who was a fan and had heard the news about Rome weeks earlier...this airport scene must have been one of the most bizarre, surreal and insane things to witness
I'm waiting for someone who was actually there to verify this story. It's hard to believe this happened and nobody said anything. It's possible. Not everyone is a Nirvana fan or knew who he was, but airports are usually busy places. Why no one came out and said "yeah I was there" especially after he died is odd.
@@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders My immediate thought too when I watched this.
i fracking hate airports "check my other post here or i'm a douchebag" ..............why can't people just chill the frack out and take boats and ride the train..i'm at airports suck and they always have...no band should tour on the other side of the planet that's why god made languages or something actually music is the universal language or love is not courtney "with a k" ...kourtney? "no the word not don't be stupid im trying to be a kurt cobain impersonator" you're actually horrible at it...sorry...what was i saying....yeah...i don't know flying is stupid except for maybe A.F.M.s which my phrase for UFOs its called alien flying machines...that's a mitchedberg joke "a new one" for real? or is that at bullshit? what i was saying...i don't know oh yeah....air ports are the worse except for rehab and mental hospitals, and playing shows at college dorms....anyways if you're a spirit looking over a cadeaver i mean decendent please come by my block party.....get to corpus christi then headout ...pass the airport....pass texas farm road 666 and start telling vampire jokes. this will lead you straight to my place i'm trying to trace all the spirits that have been alive since christ...some people already incarnated , but it shouldn't be difficult to get this all straight before the apocalypse get's geared up...
@@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders Yeah man you'd think someone would have got his iphone out and filmed it and put it up on instagram or world star or something
Wow. Rough stuff. I think I can detect that by Krist saying "He should have never done that..." that a therapist or someone has helped him realize that he did all that one person could do really and that it was never his fault in any way (survivor's guilt?). Bless him. You can see how difficult this has been on him.
I think you’re right. I’m sure he blamed himself early on. It’s impossible not to. I’m glad he’s been able to reconcile those feelings of guilt.
Him saying he really shouldn't have done it really made it click for me, such a complicated situation I really hope he's found the peace he was looking for
What a terrible way to remember the last time you ever seen someone, and how difficult it must be to have gotten past that.
Those last days must have been really tough not only for Kurt, but for the whole band as well.
The band barley talked.
Wdum Kurt and Krist are literally like best friends. Obviously dave came late into the picture but he connected with Kurt and Krist like glue.
Well, at least Krist can say he tried.
Soo true. Not very many people really did
Heartbreaking that drugs pushed him to fight his best friend
this story broke my heart. I didn't know about that fight.
I'm not sure, but I think I read about it in Everett True's book. The book left me with a very heavy feeling. I still had a band then and it seemed to me absolutely meaningless its existence. Today, I am reassured only by the fact that such stories, most likely, will not be more. Modern show business continues to eat people, but does not make them such large-scale stars
This is the real tragedy of suicide. The people you leave behind are affected forever.
That's not unique to suicide. That's the case with loss in general.
It's surprising it's taken nearly 3 decades for this story to be talked about. I know it was first written in Heavier than heaven but most people wrote it off as tabloid gossip back then. I just feel for Krist. Dude's been through enough & doesn't need to re-live this.
Thank you so much for making this video, being a huge Nirvana fan and thinking I knew a lot, this video changed my entire outlook on Krist, and I never knew how much he went through
my heart breaks for krist. i hope he knows how much kurt loved him.
What about Dave and Pat?
It's so annoying see that some people still believe that he was murdered by some conspiracy, grow up!
Ive been a huge Nirvana fan for 17 years, and this is the first time hearing of this fight between them. Well done
This, to me, is one of the saddest Nirvana stories I've heard. Really heartbreaking stuff.
I would've enjoyed this vlog if the horror sound wasn't played the whole time.
Lol
Agree
When kurt came back from Rome he knew that krist was right about Courtney that's why, simple.
the fact that krist drove him straight to the airport shows that he cares a lot about kurt, since if he brought him to the restaurant he would just be on drugs again
I imagine that Krist was the person in Kurt’s life that would NOT put up with his drug addiction and truly loved him as a person, brother, and friend. Yes it is the most tragic ending, sad, but he tried. In some sense he was successful because Kurt went to rehab. But then maybe he gave in. I wish someone could have locked him up in a house for a month. I also wish he had a good woman in his life. He would still be here today.
Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
Locking someone up for a month won’t change a thing.
Neither will beating your friend up at the airport.
In order to deal with addiction, a person needs to be able to heal in whatever time frame it takes, with compassion and support.
I totally understand that it can be the mist frustrating thing for family and friends.
But ganging up on Kurt and trying to force him to do it on their terms was a poor choice.
Courtney Love had Kurt killed for his money . If she would have given Kurt time he would have killed himself with drugs and excess . He was a train wreck.
How I wish Kurt had gotten the help he desperately needed... :(
I feel like Courtney gets blamed a lot for Kurt. And yes, I think they were very codependent (as most addicts are) but also- I think she wanted to be better for Frances. I saw that documentary awhile back on HBO and honestly you could really tell Courtney loved Kurt, but also like anyone who was involved w Kurt- her entire existence is being asked questions about Kurt on a pretty regular basis- even now. And there's a huge, well known conspiracy theory (or several honestly) that Courtney killed Kurt, blah blah blah. The truth is (very tragically and sadly) that Kurt had suicide ideation for such a long time and was very honest about it. His state of mind from addiction really didn't help. I hope he's at peace now ❤
It's impossible to imagine the mind frame of someone who's experience of themselves is so excruciatingly painful for them, that they just have to die. An ex-addict friend of mine with some lingering mental health issues was having a tough time, a woman had politely rejected his romantic intentions at work, and some other life stuff going on, he told some of us friends of his he was struggling, but no mention of any suicide ideation - even when outright asked, he'd smile and say 'no, it's not that bad' - he was part of a small community of people who loved him. Then he was found dead in his apartment one day - he'd gone and got some smack (after not using any mood or mind altering substances for over 3 years) and injected a lethal dose. He'd clearly spent some time making sure his flat was immaculate, washed the dishes and had hung laundry out to dry, written a note to his mum saying goodbye and to forgive him, and then tied off - gone.
Imagine going to the airport and seeing Kurt Cobain and Krist novaselic fighting. That’d be a holiday to remember
Krist was an absolute beast of a man so I don't think he couldn't have beaten Kurt in a fight if he wanted too. He clearly loved his friend too much and didn't want to hurt him.
How does that interviewer enthusiastically chime right in after Krist graciously lets us hear his feelings on the matter?
I was a teen during Nirvana's heyday, and part of watching them was wondering what goofy thing Krist would do next. Afterwards you could definitely see the change, he was somber, quiet, and serious, instead of this childish goofiness he used to put off.
I was 8 turning 9 when Kurt died and it changed all of our lives. My Brother was about to turn 15 and we are and come from a pretty musical family. Our Gma and Mother were drummers, our Gma being a professional Jazz Drummer from the 40's till her Death. Our Paternal Gpa was in a Country music band that opened for Johnny Cash and that whole gang early on. So, very young we all played something, my Bro Guitar, Sis Drumms, and myself Bass and a bit of guitar. Our Sis can really play anything but doesn't give a shit bc she is a super Mom now lol. Anyways, we were just salt of the earth kids that didn't really fit in and we found our people in Grunge and Rock music from a very young age. 30 years later my Hubs and I still Listen to Nirvana like they are the hot new thing! TY guys You Changed our lives!!!
Don’t stop making these my man!!!!!!!
have no plans to stop 😈
@@rockrealmm hell yeah!
At least someone tried to help Kurt.
All people of his enviroment wants to help him. Courtney Love, Kriss even Dave Grohl.
Shoutout to Krist for powering through even after losing his best friend. R I P Kurt
No doubt. It's very hard, and then on top of it. I know this part from personal experience. Other people like to act like they knew Cobain better than Novaselic did. Nobody knew Cobain better than Novaselic, I just wish Cobain didn't have such an affinity for filth (Courtney). That would've been a perfect next album name, Filth. Nirvana Filth.
kurt jumped the fence at exodus when he could of just walked out the door his mind wasn't his own anymore at that point
That could be it. I'd always assumed Kurt was just being funny.
It he walks out the front door, he has to confront the staff who are not just going to say, “goodbye Kurt, hope you enjoyed your stay!” Plus they are going to notify his people. Easier to just jump the wall and be done with it. Probably bought him a good half hour before anyone noticed
@@justin1978 stuff like that causes a lot of trouble for the techs tho...
@@justin1978 he walked into rehab voluntarily…he wasn’t on any kind of medical hold so he could have literally left at any time without a problem.
@@skrunklyOwOyeah but what they were saying (obviously) is that he would’ve had to sign out/check out. like on paper. meaning staff would have interacted with him and most likely contacted people who knew him such as his wife
This is heartbreaking
Kurt brought his favorite guitar that Ernie Bailey (their guitar tech had worked on for Kurt specifically) Krist would say to Ernie "Man he loves that guitar" Kurt wound up bringing the guitar on this very trip, without it's case and sadly it was just one more important thing to him that he lost along his way, being that he wound up throwing it at Krist right before he fled the airport.
Maybe Kurt just wanted a damn cheeseburger!
Ok ..rome was a accident Everyone said that bandmates,doctor,even Courtney I remember it plain as day them saying that and now since he is dead it's a suicide..ok something smells fishy.
Someone intent on offing themselves doesn't want to make it really well known. Otherwise people might try to stop it. That's why the Rome incident was an accident. I personally think that Cobain could've demanded not to tour and he should did that right at the end of 1993. He was in a position to make demands. No more touring, only albums.
Krist was known in Aberdeen to be a brawler, but Kurt was scrappy. Depends on what you're fighting for...He has never had the same light in his eyes since Kurt died...
P.S. It was a Jack in the Box, not McDonald's, not important.
Very sad set of events. RIP Kurt.
I just read this in the heavier than heaven book that I just finished yesterday
finished that a few months ago if you ever need to cry read that last chapter shits so sad
@@thehistorybuff8265 I know that’s what happened to me put me down for the rest of the day or at least those last two chapters and hearing about the fight between him and krist was probably the saddest or at least close
That book has Courtney's fingerprints all over it. Its tainted so take it all with a huge grain of salt
@@lizparsons7301 I do don’t worry most of the ending is questionable
Heavier than Heaven is Courtney propaganda.
Allways make Me cry after all this years my pain still here as Fan, i can't imagine how he felt and still ...
amazing video, I was a huge Nirvana fan growing up and had never heard about this
If ypuve ever loved anyone (in any sense of love capacity) who is an addict, there comes a point where you realize that youncant force them to be better or do better unless they want to.
correct, this is because currently there is no known medical cure for any type of addiction.
God I felt so bad for Kris if Kurt gotten help Nirvana would’ve been here today
They were gonna break up
nah nirvana was over even if kurt survived.
Brothers fight..:(..
Poor Krist. i can’t imagine what its like seeing your closest friend spiral and lose themself to drugs, the last interaction you have with them is a physical fight.
Whats even worse was the reporter asking Krist, Where would nirvana be today if Kurt wouldn't have died,,,
FFS, He just poured his heart out, I would have said sorry, Then asked a far diffrent question, Like what have you been
doing after that tragic day, Or what is your fondest memory of the band, Something that still makes you laugh,,,
Switch the attitude to something lighter,
Junkie man was so miserable he made everyone else miserable
Don't do drugs kids
Lol. True.
It wasn't mcdonalds it was jack in the box and the one he wanted to go to was the one in the capitol hill district by his dealers Caitlin Moore
Either the drug abuse is catching up, old age, or the CTE, but I don't remember ever hearing about this fight between Krist & Kurt. This is some heavy shit, man.
I can't begin the imagine the pain Krist must've felt knowing that that was the last interaction he had with Kurt 💔
Confronting an addict in this way is an extremely poor choice of action.
People didn’t know any better back then.
People end up on heroin because of extreme trauma. The last thing you do is corner them and force them into an even more vulnerable position.
A person can only get through something as brutal as that with compassion and support.
Threats, physical violence and everyone in your life saying ‘you have to go to rehab now’ will almost never work. It will just make the person feel more isolated.
right. very sad, being in that state of mind already im sure it was hard for him..
@@somenothing7914 The thing is, you're not sure which method is going to work best. There's multiple methods to go about doing this, obviously an intervention was wrong in this case, but it's hard to know what to do. Cobain could probably sense Courtney Love was about to come down on him and control every aspect of his life.
She was going to make a huge deal like he was missing, even though he wasn't missing, he was just at home. She made it impossible to contact her at the hotel she was at, but he tried to call. She blames the hotel for that, she told them anybody calling has to have the password.
I red something 20 Years ago, somewhere that Cobain did not talk to anybody during an entire week after Rome. Around mid march.....i understand better when his two band mates say it was weird, Kurt was weird at that point. It seems like drugs have taken control. So sad.
Kris was 3 times Kurt's size it wasn't a fight. More like a child having a tantrum.
Also, at 1:53, Kurt is wearing gloves. Layne Staley also wore gloves when he was super deep in his addiction and trying to hide the evidence. Its so sad 😞
That picture is Maybe from 1990 though
Not the same reason
I feel sorry for Kurt. He was the golden goose they were all relying on. That pressure would have been insane whilst battling serious addictions. He needed to go to an island away from everything
Think about his daughter
Great commentary xx
Kurt Cobain had some titanium balls to fight a 6'7 dude like Krist
This is very sad. Just imagine you’re at the airport and you see famous grudge stars Krist Novoselic and Kurt Cobain having a fist fight at an airport
@@terg8472 yeah grunge
i could feel the way he was thinking. i’ve been homeless and staying at friends and over a love that didn’t go well i was over doing snow and xanax and my emotions were everywhere i tried to kill myself a few times and i remember vividly wanting to go thru with it if i was alone i didn’t have parents in the local city nor did they know who i was. i was alone and had music and skateboarding i use to sit under a bridge as well and watch the truckee river go as it brings its coldness i had no friends but those who skated. i would sit there crying hungry asf always bothering friends for even just a shower. it makes me sad kurt is gone i really really wish i coulda met him. if ya care i’m okay now i worked outta that situation and am not doing any hard drugs anymore it’s been almost a whole year ago. and i started making music to help cope with not wanting to go back to drugs and it’s going good. yea that love that fucked me up, she was also the one supplying the drugs and blinding me with lust.
Ballsy move punching a guy who’s a good foot taller than you. I feel so bad for Krist, he was just trying to help his friend. Heroin is a horrible drug.
Never heard this before krist must of been highly upset over this
** You can't control people !!! Especially when they're sick !!!
I hear ya Krist,Its tough when ya More than Care for your friends.Take care,Look for the best nah!Within,Krist.Jcsx
I thought Kurt asked krist to take him to jack in the box because they weren't as greasey as the one they were at and krist got mad after he found out Kurt was just trying to get drugs and be closer to his dealers.
Where did you get this info? This is the first time ive heard this story.
Literally no one talks about this. But evidently it happened. Kurt was actually an asshole
He always was. Kurt hated David Grhol...
@@swampcrypt , why annoying?
@@swampcrypt Grohling on the River!🎃
@@jeffersonaraujoelcristianohe didn’t like Dave because he had a thing for his wife
imaging going to the airport normally and having to witness this
It's surprising that Krist actually thinks Kurt did it
I read a comment lately which said that basicallys said: maybe this is not the (whole) truth. I can't remember exactly now bit it seemed quite logical. He basically put Kurt into the hands of his murderer. That would also explain his guilty feelings
@@peterheinzelmann3335 According to accounts of Cobain's last month, he had his friend Dylan buy a shotgun and shells. He had to ditch those shells, so he bought some new shotgun shells when he got back to Seattle. On two occasions in his last week he acquired shotgun shells. If someone murdered him, Cobain gave them a perfect way to escape blame.
when kurt died so did krist
They had a open casket? After a shotgun wound to the head? Really?
He was in the morgue. Courtney went to see him, too
and yet the story is supposedly that he shot himself in the mouth... 🤔🤔🤔
@@tickeroo after a shotgun blast to the head there’s no head left to view
@@eternity8811 sounds fishy to me
@@sconni666 From Charles Cross's book: "Despite rumors to the contrary, the corpse was recognizable as Kurt, though the scene was ghastly: The hundreds of pellets from the shotgun shell had expanded his head and disfigured him. [ . . . ] On Saturday, April 9, Jeff Mason was employed to take Courtney to the funeral home to view Kurt’s body before it was cremated-she had already requested that plaster casts be made of his hands. Grohl was also invited, and declined, but Krist came, arriving before Courtney. He spent a few private moments with his old friend and broke down crying. As he left, Courtney and Mason were brought into the viewing room. Kurt was on a table, dressed in his nicest clothes, but his eyes had been sewn shut. It was the first time Courtney had been with her husband for ten days, and it was the last time their physical bodies would be together. She stroked his face, spoke to him, and clipped a lock of his hair. Then she pulled his pants down and cut a small lock of his pubic hair-his beloved pubes, the hair he had waited so long for as an adolescent, somehow these needed to be preserved. Finally, she climbed on top of his body, straddling him with her legs, and put her head on his chest and wailed: 'Why? Why? Why?'"
What's the source of this story? Is this something Krist reportedly told someone?
This is one of the saddest stories. I feel so bad that was the last time they saw each other, and if Kurt only knew that those were going to be his last words he would've felt so bad.
They loved each other that much
Poor krist what a good soul
I mean it's rough that it was his final interaction with him, but he was doing what a real friend should do in those circumstances. Peace.
I hate the matter-of-fact "next question" aspect of the interviewer at the end. Bro, leave the guy alone
Kurt is such a tragic figure, we all wish it could have gone better, no one more than his band mates
Imagine being best friends with someone since high school and they punch you in the face and throw f bombs then run away then a few days later kill themself like bro that would be so sad I feel bad for krist 😢
Although the fight was horrible, I know Krist was just coming from a place of love and genuine worry. I think he knew Kurt was getting bad mentally and deep into his addiction. Guys have a funny way of trying to knock some sense into their friends and tbh I’ve heard it being a normal thing back then a punch thrown and then realization and amends. I don’t think Krist knew that would really be his last time seeing his best friend… and he probably regretted it but I know he only did it to be like “dude wake up in not letting you get fd up because you got a kid and a family that loves you and i care” but it just came out wrong cause kurt didn’t want the help. :/ That genuinely is so heartbreaking… you can’t save someone that doesn’t want to be saved.
this almost made me cry
This literally did make me cry. Krist cared about him so much even all these years later
Addictions aren't easy to overcome. And if Kurt would ve the change to apologize He would ve done it.
God this hurts my heart...
Joe Burns has a different view of what happened after he returned to Seattle. And it was Jack in the Box, not McDonald's
Watch the interview of the doctor in Rome who treated him.
"He shoulda never have done that" ... well... he didn't
The 2 days my mom told me she’ll never forget are 9/11 and the day Kurt died
This is not the fault of Krist since he most likely just didn’t understand addiction especially back then. As someone who was also addicted to heroin it’s really important to get that last high before heading off to rehab. Krist should’ve let Kurt go to the mickey d’s. As you see Kurt ran off got high and decided it was okay to go to rehab the next day. It’s also not good to force someone to do this when they are not ready. I understand they were just trying to help and they cared a lot for the guy, but maybe if they just waited it out a little bit Kurt would’ve checked himself into rehab on his own accord. Maybe he’d be alive today. Or maybe he would’ve died of an overdose. You never know. But something tells me this intervention was the last straw that contributed to his suicide.
Heartbreaking 💔
Kris was taken kurt to courtney and kurt knew she was out to get him that why he ran.
Krist was just being a good friend to Kurt. Dave even told him not to do any harm on himself over the phone. Courtney tried to revive him numerous times b4. She said in 1of her interviews. Poking needles onto his private parts. Cuz he was in an oblivion state of mindset. Since when did Love knew how to revive him tho as a nurse as a doctor as a caregiver as a caretaker as a wife as a his own baby sitter.
Jeez, I thought that was Arnie Grapes on the front pic.
You know what's in airports? Cops. Security. Cameras. People. Strange to think the scene described here happened _at all,_ that it was allowed to happen and that no one heard about this until almost 30 years later? Sus.
All I can say is Kurt was clean during In Utero album making that was 14 days, he was clean in Rome, he was clean in Rehab and Dr's said he wasn't self destructive, when slim moon and nanny Jackie Ferry went to see him they was surprised cause he DIDN'T LOOK LIKE SHIT OR STRUNG OUT. This don't sound like a junkie all strung out. CL had reported to cops a few times Kurt was, locked in a room, threatening self harm and has gun's, it was false all 3 times. I believe after tge coma he was not himself. I believe ppl around him had him zonked on roofies like in Rome, he was dead when shot with a shotgun, hence no big bloody mess. Look at other self harms with shotgun or killings. It's messy. Roger Lewis wrote a paper on cases like his and for him to do what is said is not impossible but highly unlikely. Ppl with that much dope in system can't sit without falling over, let alone put kit away, grab gun, use it. Dr Ceryil Wecht said in all of his 40k plus cases his done himself, many thousands hes been asked to comment about, had a part of or looked into, his is only 1 to do what kurt did. He looked in JFK so since the mid 60s. All they fought about was the will. Rosemary said he called her wanting wife written out. CL made him sign a prenup. Not other way around. He was why she got signed to Geffen, his name is worth millions. She cares only about money and fame. She ripped up the new will and said It's all mine to Wendy and others in room and threw in fire. She said for all to jeep quiet or his step sister was next. El Duche passed 2 polygraphs to highest degree when asked Did CL offer 50k to whack Kurt Cobain. Test was given by Edward Gelb. The top polygraph examiner and tester in the world at the time that taught FBI, CIA etc to give and read tests. The 3 letter agencies and more gov careers require a polygraph to get the job. Kurt wanted to break up band, wanted to get his life in order and divorce and be clean. His stomach was fixed in summer of 93. He was on Subutex that stops the user from feeling high no matter how much or what dope they snort, shoot, smoke etc. Tom Grant has investigated a few deaths made to look like self harm. He feels like he was murdered. Ex police chief Norm Stamphor said if he was chief his death would be looked into again and get it right this time. There's a possibility he OD, but no gun play. CL knew where he was when she hired tom. She told Dylan on fone at Rosemary house to LOOK IN Greenhouse. He didnt. She then called Veca electric and told them to stop work on house and start on greenhouse. The alarm company was called 7 times to turn off alarm. 2 was Tom, 1 was Eric to 'Look for Kurt and shotgun'. He was also the last 1 to see Kristin alive. So many inconsistencies and unanswered questions. ME told reporters same day 2 hours after seeing his body it was self harm. 7 days later he signed off on death certificate. No tests was back yet. Gun wasn't checked for prints until after kurt was cremated. That sound like the norm for anyone? Body's gone before prints are checked on a death weapon? No.
No doubt for me he was murdered . Too much money involved . I saw the 2 documentaries and it opened my eyes . Also , listen to what Iggy Pop said : " Courtney Loves Kurt Money ! " " Kurt was killed by people around him " - ( it's online )- There is also a very good reading about Kurt by Sloan Bella the psychic ( She is really good ) - The channel AmericanSpyFox is very informative . He just posted a video about Kristen Pfaff , he speaks about the missing pages of her diary .
@@elborbah3045 Watched spy for years now. He puts out great info. True psych ward is another and there's a 5 n half hr doc on him on YT. It's long but he puts down all tge facts and the sources. So no empty info. Glad to have u on the justice for Kurt team.
@@jasonchristopher2977 Glad to see your comment here ! How can people still say he commited suicide , it's unbelievable ! Nothing makes sense ! Thanks for the info channels you talked about . Also , i think Kat Bjelland from Babes in Toyland knows things ... Just a feeling .
@@elborbah3045 Likewise. In this day and age of 2022 and what happened these past 2 years, how can anybody not question things? Old and new. How many ppl that was gonna say things wind up dead before things was said? Oh he shot himself 3 times in back of head, then hung, electrocuted and put 3 bags over his head then drowned in a teaspoon of water. Sheeple go Yup, that make perfect sense. Come on. I know that's a bit much but it's not too far off. We c all these videos of ppl on regular doses and they can't sit up straight, let alone do what he did with a huge amount. They get hung up on tolerance. He was clean alot of the time. Yes addicts often have clean time and relapse. But he weighed 115 pounds. He had levels that Roger Lewis, Dead men dont pull triggers, Free to read when u get time to look up, the chances are slim to none. Just like now with Poloseis husband attacked by a MAGA freak. Elon said hold up. That's not the whole truth. He was drunk and fighting with a gay hooker. But that never happens to ppl like them. After Me2, all the facts came out, Epstein, all the facts came out. It's always that's crazy, can't be until it's said, shown and proven to be true. Truth is stranger than fiction. It really is. I'm from where Dr Wecht is from. Very close. That man is the king of pathology. Yes he didn't see the autopsy report, but he did know the case as much as he could. He said highly unlikely. I mean El Duche passes a polygraph, 2 times, saying CL asked him to do kurt in for 50K. He dies days after. Last ppl to see him, Wrench. He dropped him off at Liquor store he says and that's last time he saw him. But he shows Love and Death Authors, The spot he died. How'd he know the exact spot he died if he not there? That's like me doing it and saying I know exact time. How if I wasn't there? I was 15 when he died. My uncle worked Cleveland Police homicide. I gave him Toms case file. I asked does any of how this case was investigated look ok at all. He laughed and said Nothing the cops did make any sense and won't to any investigator who has ever been a cop, PI or a 3rd of regular folks who watch any true crime show. There's way too much to say he died the way it's said. I know well prolly never know the whole truth, but I get so mad when I read or see or hear anything about him and they say self harm. Good media just says Untimely death.
@@jasonchristopher2977 Totally agree ! Also the nanny that was alone in the house at night , hear noise , call Kurt , hear nothing and go back to sleep . ? As a woman i will freak out and do something ! " ok it's not Kurt , it can be a serial killer , i am ill and cold , i go back to bed " ( btw i don't think she had the flu ... )
Concerning the Pelosi ... tell me how at the age of internet where everybody knows anything about famous people , how "Hammerman" planned his attack the day she is not there ?😂 Btw how do you know this info ? Just curious !
This story has always made my stomach do a thing(organ failure)