Why Chibnall Doesn't Work: The Ghost Monument (PART 2)
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Yeah the story may be a complete mess and all the characters are horrifically underdeveloped and yes, the cinematography is downright unbearable and obviously the score is a major letdown, but hey, at least the TARDIS has a *fucking* biscuit dispenser.
I guess that's how the cookie crumbles ;)
It’s just so Doctor Whoey
@@ftumschk oh you
"hey guys quick reminder that this a british show, look we said "biscuits" "
@@francesatty7022 Indeed, but sadly the expression "that's how the biscuit crumbles" isn't quite as famous :)
Especially after we got perhaps the greatest TARDIS interior with Capaldi, I'm not sure how the entire production team didn't feel massively embarrassed with Whittaker's.
It's almost like it was so hard to top they just decided to give up and make the worst one to date so the next one will be considered an improvement regardless of what it looks like. Such a shame, we'd been on an upwards trajectory in Tardis design for all of New Who.
And the thing with the big columns is also strange. The first TARDIS we saw in the revival, "coral theme", used giant columns, yet those fit very well, didn't get in the way, and looked fantastic!
We went from sophisticated sci-fi to colorful, oversized Himalayan salt lamp.
- Nerdrotic once described Wyn Jones’ TARDIS set as, ‘Dead crab with a boner’. That’s an image that’s hard to get out of one’s head once it’s introduced. It doesn’t help that the crystals’ tips sort of weirdly caress the air, while the central column rises and falls so jerkily. It’s so corruptibly (if inadvertently) sexualized that it’s simply a laughing stock.
The potential saving grace was the metallic hexagonal wheel insets that formed the wall - the idea of some kind of negative space in the gaps behind them, as if the TARDIS’ control room was infinite behind its walls, was thrilling. But it only effectively came across in Darren Fereday’s concept art (which in all fairness is quite good!) - the real-world set build is uninspired, clunky, dorky and too darkly-lit, which is presumably to hide the inadequacies rather than create an impression of ambience. Though the hexagons staircase leading off into the corridors addition in Jodie’s next season was good.
Edit - grammar reasons.
@@JOCoStudio1 the best interior idea from there would be to harken back. Have a similarly sized room, with three levels, except use a classic console, classic time column and walls, with a modern style door, colour it like the War Doctor’s TARDIS, making use of white light and reflective materials, while using matte for interactive items, and have the whole thing respond to flight with pulsing lights within the roundels or something
Its like someone wrote a doctor who episode off the top of there head having only seen a few episodes.
Seeing only his own episodes.
Boom. This. Excellent.
And those episodes were Fear Her, A Town called Mercy and The Bells of St John.
he's seen Trial of a Timelord decided it wasn't very good then eventually wrote the Timeless Child . . . . . oh what a genius 😂
as someone with dispraxia it urks me so mutch how quickly they just ignore it like 90% of the time
They only bring it up for disability points when they think it's relevant or to boost screen time, rather than let it actually affect Ryan's day to day life like a real disability.
I'm sorry for your misrepresentation.
Bro just learn to walk lol
@@lovablesnowman i can walk fine thanks bit rude
@@lovablesnowman have stage 4 cancer? just don't have cancer 4head
@@Josh-oj9mm that's what I do and it works for me
For me, Jodies TARDIS interior feels cramped, yet empty. I swear, you get rid of the orange finger crystal things, the infinity lights, and have the console as this solitary rising centre piece with plenty of space for the character and perhaps furniture, I think it would look a lot better.
Or make the set much bigger, instead of the cramped storage room it currently looks like.
I think its also missing the home aspect of the Tardis. Like I can't see Jodie just casually hanging out in her Tardis. 11s 2nd Tardis had a similar issue to me. It was so cold and empty despite the amazing design. It was when 12 took over giving us the blackboard, bookcases, etc is when the Tardis felt like a home again.
@@cortesacrawford I feel like Jodie's TARDIS was trying to do too many things at once, trying to be a combination of old and new who designs. Now, this worked with her exterior, a combination of the Bulldog-ish look of the RTD/ Moffat boxes, with the smaller, slimmer stature and finer details of the old who boxes, but it was glued together by new ideas that didn't hinder either aspects of the design.
The new ideas that try and glue the old who/ new who aspects of designs together in Jodie's interior however don't work as well because they are inherently contradictory with the older aspects. Now, each new idea on its own I think is really cool. Fractal roundels, infinity lights, a crystalline time rotor, again, nice ideas. But, again, the new who/ old who aspects (girders, movable walls, grunge aesthetic, blue and yellow lighting etc) inherently conflict against the new ideas.
The Fractal roundels can move, like One or Two's TARDIS, nice idea, not only making a continuity error in old who part of canon, but also making it easier for the camera to get around the set. However, the infinity lights and Crystal girders are so massive and restrictive in view, why even have the movable walls in the first place? The aesthetic is also all over the place. The Rotor itself is made of crystal, giving the impression of a spiritual or obscure aesthetic, but that conflicts with the grunge of the console, which itself conflicts with the large obscuring simplistic patterns of the infinity lights. Its this console meant to be heavily detailed or not? The girders taper in towards the console, like Eights console room, but because they're crystal, there's no flow or rise like in Eights or Tens console with the support coral girders.They stiffly angle themselves awkwardly towards the consoles, creating a weird bubble around the console, which are so bright, you notice them before you notice the console.
Also, the crystals are coloured orange to keep with the orange and blue aesthetics, but its a weird colour for a crystal of all things. And heres the weirdest part of it all. Crystals naturally form in hexagonal prisms, which you'd think would be perfect as the TARDIS console has six sides surround the rotor, so making the rotor have six sides seems obvious... So why did they make the crystal rotor, and the girders, round? It doesn't look like crystal, orange is not commonly associated with crystal, and this, couple with the roundness, makes them look like towering pillars of earwax. The hue is also backwards. Orange is quite a usual colour, it connotes warmth and home and sun, its usual for us so it blends into the background, whilst blue/ turquoise is unnatural, sharp and cold, giving the sense of something new or dangerous. This worked perfectly for the RTD console room as the walls were orange, again, usual, don't need to pay much attention to them, in comparison with the turquoise console, cold and dangerous, but exciting and new. Jodies console is the opposite. The console is orange, so you don't pay attention to it that much, all the details blend into themselves, whilst the infinity lights are blue, starkly contrasted and lined, meaning that the first thing your eye is drawn to on first viewing is basically everything apart from the console, y'know. the centre of the piece.
In trying to be everything all at once, this TARDIS doesn't master anything. The extremes in light and shadow gives an uncomfortable feeling, the aesthetic is everywhere, the hues are all wrong, its far to obscuring with massive parts that don't mean/ do anything etc. Tbh I prefer the behind the scenes photos of series 11 when the crystals came up as lavender, as it was at least something new and interesting. But heres the thing. I bet this TARDIS set is amazing to walk around and stand in. Because I think it was designed as an EXPERIENCE first and foremost, rather than a set. The TARDIS, as much as it feels real, is still a set, and needs to operate like a set for camera and crew and production. And it needs to function as a set.
@@cortesacrawfordYeah, I can’t blame you for that, but I liked it because it mimicked 11’s mentality at the time, after losing Amy and Rory, this TARDIS uses a nice warm colour, but makes it so claustrophobic and fantasy-like that it ruins it for me
Wait.. the random cloth pieces all-throughout the episode were supposed to be remnants? You're right.. I indeed didn't even realize that.. dear god.
they had hovering cloths in "Invasion of Time" a far superior story and the budget was a lot lower in those days but it worked because it was actually written well
Someone pointed out to me once that, hilariously, when the three companiond are in a scene together they always take turns to say their lines. They'll each just say a random line one by one, and the only way it seems like they've decided who will say what line is just... Who's turn it is to speak next. It's hilarious.
Iv noticed that .I'm a fan of the original thing film where people talk over each other as in life .but I don't think it works in drama ...u wouldn't be able to follow it ..but you are right ..I think three companions is too many .get back to the doctor and Sarah Jane I say one companion is plenty
@@nickmorrell3559 3 companions worked perfectly for Hartnell, was a stretch for the brief time it happened in Troughton's time and was a complete farce in Davison's with some stories requiring one companion to be unconscious for the whole thing or half the time taken up with them bickering.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Hi I'm that guy that likes a lot of the unpopular things in Dr Who and liked the 5th doctor's tardis crew, and don't mind the bickering my only criticism would be that Nyssa was criminally under used the best companion out of the lot imo
@@mrjekyllandhyde9941 Iiked Tegan at the time but havi g subsequently worked with several people like her, I don't know if I could face her again. I did see Kinder again recently and thought she was brilliant in it.
Loathed Furlough though. And as for that poxy robot thing....
@@zacmumblethunder7466 I quite liked Turlough but I agree Kamelion the robot thing was pretty terrible. Kinda was a good story but Nyssa was literally locked away for 95% of that story in the Tardis. I used to find Tegan quite annoying as she just seemed to complain a lot but over the years she's grown on me, especially with the continuation on Big Finish but I don't even mind Adric which is probably an unpopular opinion, then there was Peri. I liked Peri, although she only had 2 stories with the 5th Doctor. I think multiple characters can work but not convinced Chibnall is up to the task, he probably should have stuck to just one.
Honestly, while I always preferred the more techy TARDISes, 11s first Eclectic junk console was actually a gorgeous bit of design and really conveyed that the TARDIS had sort of cobbled together a new appearance from junk after exploding.
My only gripe with 11s console is the overly yellow swiss cheese look to the set. It was always a nicer shot when they'd wash in some lighting effects that muted the colours.
The Jodie era TARDIS, much like her version of The Doctor, seems like it was designed by a committee with a checklist, even down to the overused orange/blue contrast.
I honestly think a crystalline TARDIS console room could look great if done correctly, but literally nothing in this era has been done with any sense of creativity, design or effort.
On the plus side, I now have a greater appreciation for Pickwoad.
Thirteen's TARDIS was designed by Arwel Wyn Jones before Jodie Whittaker was cast as the Doctor. He later tweaked it a little by adding a biscuit dispenser when he found out that Whittaker was fond of Custard Creams.
Like it or not... Jack be spitting straight facts throughout this entire series.
Y'know what really bugs me about this episode is the fact that Epzo threatens a hologram. And it works, instead of Ilin saying "lol, bye," and leaving them stranded, he teleports them back to his ship. It's so bizarre. It's also a waste not having them all think they're stranded, then the TARDIS appears and then the Doctor takes Epzo and Angstrom to get their revenge.
What revenge would that be?
To make him watch the whole series?
Ah yes dyspraxia that's not gonna give you problems with running and gunning.
They have dismissed that claim.
It's probably the first time the TARDIS has seemed SMALLER on the inside than on the outside - a combination of terrible design and filling up the available space with four people.
And remember, the TARDIS is supposed to be crewed optimally by _SIX_ people. Of course, a knobhead like Cibnall wouldn't know since he refuted the old series.
" it has the emotional depth of an puddle "
I'll have you know hether had much more emotional depth than this.
The new TARDIS really does suck. It baffles me that they didn’t change it for Series 12.
Glad Michael Pickwoad got some respect for his awesome TARDIS, he was a very talented designer. The sad thing about this video is Chibnall will likely never see it ☹️
"brains beats bullets" is so stupid. If it was okay to destroy the robots with the magnetic, why isn't it ok to destroy them with guns?
Emp shuts down all the robots nearby in one fell swoop.
Running in with a gun takes more time & puts yourself at risk.
@@BH-98 But they don't present it as a tactical choice, they try to present it as a moral choice. It's just some basic generic "guns=evil" comparison, because there's a political agenda behind most of the writing.
Hell, even RTD was guilty of it.
@@nimblenavigator9520 Doctor Who is a children's show - or, at least, it's always had a high proportion of younger viewers. So, whilst the show may have a political agenda, it also has pedagogical responsibilities towards a large section of its audience. Of course, some writers can get their political/pedagogical "lessons" across more subtly than others!
@@ftumschk Yeah, but when the political crap you're pushing is demonstrably false and entirely hypocritical, even when you're a good writer your product will ring hollow. Adding bad writing on top of it is just rubbing salt in the wound.
RTD was obviously pretty lefty and his stories often had hypocritical elements but he knew how to craft a story and was a talented writer. I don't like all his choices, but I can't deny the man's talent.
Chibnall seems to have failed upwards and relied on the support of a team of fellow cocktail party schmoozers to get where he is.
@@nimblenavigator9520 I agree that the writing is bad - Chibnall, especially, is a dreadful writer - but I'm not aware that any demonstrably false messages are being pushed. As I said, it's the _way_ that any messages/lessons are put across that matters, and the current era's clunky writing is doing the show no favours in that regard.
I hate the 13th Doctor Morality. She can Kill Daleks, but Ryan can't kill his grandmother murder, Tzimsha.
I suppose is better being in a capsule your entire life slept and no being dead.
Or killing Spiders with gun is wrong, but letting them suffocate in a room without enough air is fine.
Graham, not Ryan
@@BH-98 Heeeeey, you're right!
I think it's incredibly ironic that in her first episode of the season, the Doctor declares that "only idiots carry knives," and in the very next episode Epzo's life is saved only because Angstrom had... a knife!
@@BH-98 What does it matter who tried to kill who
4:24 the scene in the Magic Exposition Room, where the Doctor reads the inscription, instantly reminded me of the scene in _Fellowship of the Ring,_ where Gandalf reads the last entry in the Book of Mazarbul in the Mines of Moria.
GANDALF [reading aloud] "We have barred the gates, but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes. Drums, drums in the deep. We cannot get out. A shadow moves in the dark. Will no-one save us? They are coming."
DOCTOR [reading aloud] "Killing machines and creatures inhabit every corner. We had no choice but to obey the Stenza. We are trying to destroy all of our work before they use it against others. They're coming."
MAYNARD [reading aloud] "Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Arimathea. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of aaarrrrggh"
About THAT ending.
I think it would have been far more believable and interesting if the roles were reversed. The Companions (who, remember, have only just met the Doctor) should have turned on her and asked just what the heck do they do now? The Doctor just smiles and after a beat "Wait for it..."
Nothing happens, the moment stretches. Then, carried faintly on the wind, that all too familiar sound. While the Companions look around as it get louder. Unseen by them the Doctor smiles "I WAS right." she whispers. "Come on old girl. I was right."
The Doctor whips out her screwdriver. "Nearly there, just needs a little encouragement!" she laughs. The Companions watch in awe as at the top of the hill the TARDIS materialises.
The other important thing they should have done is not reveal the TARDIS earlier on. There should have been a description, vague but obvious to us the viewers. A nodding wink between Doctor and audience. We would feel clever for figuring it out. Straight out showing the TARDIS robbed the mystery and honestly symbolises the lost potential of Chibnall's run. There are the nuggets of interesting ideas buried deep, but they are squandered and wasted.
Wow, that scene concept legit gave me "doctor whoey" chills. Really underlines the baffling inadequacy of Chibnall's "efforts" in comparison
Yeah, when I first saw the episode, I actually groaned when they showed the TARDIS at the start. How many people did the script go through, and how did nobody think of that?
Sounds good to me. I can't even remember their reactions to seeing it for the first time.
Ok, now you're just making me want to waste hours of my life by taking these episode plots and rewriting them in book form to make them decent. This is exactly how that scene should have gone.
@@TeganThrussell Want to know how to fix Rosa? during the sheriff scene we get introduced to a deputy. He persuades the Sherif to leave and then tells the Doctor and Graham he knows the Ryan and Yaz are hiding. he then tells them of how a preacher two towns over once invited a black family into their church and got burnt on a stake for it. There are good people, but they're all too afraid to do something. Evil thriving. The Doctor warns him that until someone stands up this will keep happening (foreshadowing Rosa and her courage). He is too afraid for himself and his family, the deputy warns them again and leaves himself.
We then see him again during the arrest scene where he is visibly ashamed what he is doing, but still too scared to make a difference.
Second change:- Make the Antagonist a racist alien. They are a criminal and they are trying to change history to destroy humanity. They want humanity, the barbaric, stinking, self righteous, repulsive, species to tear itself apart in its own primitive ignorance. He (like others have in the past) is using the ignorance of racism for his own goals. The Doctor is forced to admit that Humanity, even in the future is not perfect, but they keep trying. Things get better. Slowly, and yes sometimes they even get worse, but humanity will always try.
Finally, and here's the fun one. The Doctor does not know who Rosa Parks is, while her companions do. Instead she knows Claudette Covin (!) the young black girl that refused to move on the bus a few weeks earlier. In the Doctor's version of history she was the one that sparked the protests and changes. The villain has already changed history once! This flips everything on its head as the Doctor is the one confused and disoriented while the Companions are the ones who have a better idea of what's happening.
Gun scene is dumb, but I would have forgiven it / would have made way more sense if Yas grabbed the gun and ran around. She’s eager to prove herself, she’s trained by the police, could have added a tiny amount of character to her. 🤷♂️
Or maybe one of the racers hears about Ryan's problem and gives him a combat stimulant to help with his problem and his aggressive behaviour is a result of the stimulant.
your treatin us Jack x
‘Underwhelming’ is a compliment to this era 😂 great video as usual.
Another thing about the console design is that I hate how it just feels placed in a void. 9/10's, 11's, and 12's all feel like a proper room, with a ceiling and floor. You get the sense that there are more rooms but the console room feels self-contained and like a proper cockpit. With 13, I get the feeling that the inside of the Tardis is now just a terrifying black void with a few console bits at the front. It's somehow even more claustrophobic but also really terrifying and uncomfortable.
The claustrophobic camera shots is something which drove me nuts and no one talks about but you ofc
Ok I literally have dyspraxia. Climbing a ladder is difficult but not overwhelming. However, hitting things with an alien gun from across the a large area while also being shot at. That’s the impossible thing. I hate this representation.
“How do we know what to do where to go
Hooow do we know what to do where to go”
Damn Jack that is one fine beat
Rewatching these is especially fun now because UA-cam’s ads keep interrupting 13’s monologues
If the Remanence where wrapped around the body's of there victims that would make for a freaky and interesting look. Plus, it would add a moral dilemma to kill both the Remanence and the person trapped.
Cool idea!
Funny how the only reason Ryan's little 'gunplay' display doesn't work is because the Sniper Bots are immune to their own weapons. Then in the series finale, Graham and Ryan defeat the Sniper Bots by tricking them into shooting each other... which should do nothing if they're immune to their own weapons.
I like how fair you are with this series as opposed to other youtubers focusing on gender politics rather than actual plot issues
Agreed! Really well made fair points!
It is a refreshing take, however I would like at least one creator to go over all of the issues with the series, because the overtly political nature of the past few series has also definitely had a severely negative impact on many people's view of the show.
@@oldoldmeme yeah it really is a big problem. It’s like the older episodes had subtle political messages interwoven into them which was great. Now however it’s political messages with the story interwoven into them 😒
I wouldn’t say the political messaging is the main problem. All good drama should have something to say. I’d argue that classic Doctor Who, the Russell T Davies and Steven Moffatt eras all have gone further at points with political messaging than Chris Chibnall does. But as Jack points out, with Christ Chibnall it’s the surface level, on the nose delivery which just makes it so jarring. Russell’s episode Turn Left is one of the most politically pointed episodes of Doctor Who ever but it’s also great story telling that seamlessly interweaves the political messaging. So is The Beast Below, although arguably a little less well interwoven. Both take their political messaging far further than anything Chibnall has done. But when Chibnall does it, it’s so obvious what’s being done with no subtlety whatsoever, which is where I think the real problem lies.
@@memeboirichard5985 Exactly, Doctor Who has always been left leaning, even in the classic series it's started conversations about racism, sexism, gender and all the other stuff people don't stop talking about these days. But, like you said, it was always just an aspect of the story, yet another thing that pops up throughout the episodes that get your thinking, complimented magnificently by the (generally) very well written scripts. Today though... There's nothing. All they have is the good looking CGI, left to far left leaning political messages and all the representation one could possibly want, but there's no story. Like what's even the point in the show at that point? It used to pose such deep philosophical messages, shit that would have you questioning your own morality and mortality, it was glorious. The characters were relatable because of how they interacted with the plot, not because of how they looked, the Doctor was like a great lecturer, not teaching people what was right or wrong but posing questions or morality, leaving the audience to decide for themselves. Now it's the opposite, the characters are absolutely hollow and completely unrelatable, the Doctor does nothing but tell us what's right or wrong in the most uncompelling ways and the plots often fail to follow even the simplest of basic screenwriting rules. All because they care more about how they look to people online rather than making compelling television.
"What's your favorite biscuits?"
Chibnal is supposed to be a massive Who fan so he seems to forget the fact the Dr might not like guns but he has used them when he was required, Pertwee blasting a Ogron into dust with a gun on Day of the daleks,. Lol
Colin Baker blasting a Cyberman in "Attack of the Cyberman"
@@mrjekyllandhyde9941 Yeap, the Dr has a stance on guns but he is not adversed to using them if forced, hell in the meddling monk the old weak doctor battered some poor guy coming out of a small tunnel with a solid 2 by 4, then had a good chuckle about it. lol
Chibnall doe snot have a clue, he needs to leave and go back to writting his misery filled Broadchurch.
@@bob23301 I think it’s pretty clear that The Time War is what turned him off guns. But thank you for admitting that Broadchurch is a depressing slog. It’s basically Twin Peaks with none of the intelligence.
12
Bill: it's like a-
The Doctor: spaceship?
Bill: -kitchen!
13
Ryan: this is proper.... awesome.
3
Brigadier: "So this is what you've been spending UNIT money on."
I love the little jerk of surprise Capaldi does when he hears her say that. It's almost lost as the camera swings around, but you can just see him do it.
Yes, the new Tardis interior is quite an abomination. But somehow I'm still more annoyed that the "Police public call Box" isn't mirrored anymore when you're in the interior. Nitpicky, I know, but it just bugs me :(
That edit cutting from 12's set to the custard cream dispenser had me laughing hahahah
Chris's writing is subjective, and his producer work is objectively awful, but I do pity him for having such a downgraded crew. It was the sane for Steven, in many ways.
The Custard Cream dispenser is my favourite part of the new design, honestly. And looking at the behind the scenes footage, I think I prefer the look of the set with the pink lighting.
Remember the cold open to Magician's Apprentice? Even without the Davros thing, that whole scene was visually tense and terrifying, and it was just a field with some props and some cgi.
I was literally laughing when the rags came on screen, I was like “ITS TOILET PAPER CHIBNALL WHAT HAVE YOU DONE”
You sound fun to watch TV with lol
Seems like a silly thing to say but I love how fair you are in these videos! Trying to find genuinely well made positive and critical reviews on the Chibnall era of the show is almost impossible but you really do here! You’ve hit the nail on the head with so many things that I just felt “weren’t quite right” but couldn’t articulate why! Also that TARDIS set! It really is awful! This video made me realise how well done the 11th/12th Doctor’s one was though! I always thought it looked great but didn’t realise so much work had gone in to make it good for filming as well! A proper amazing piece of design!!
When "The Doctor" said "I've let you down" it would have been nice if it went:
Graham: (yelling, breaking emotionally) "Too right you've let us down. It the last few days my wife has died, we nearly died in space and now we're all going to die on this planet".
Ryan: "Shut-up Graham she was my Nan, you barely knew her. Doctory what are going to do?!"
Yaz: "Yeah, 'Doctor' you got us into this mess..."
They argue amongst themselves for a bit until.
Doctor: "Shush! Can you hear that?!"
Yaz: "Hear what, there's nothing here!"
Doctor: "She's comming. Oh thank you, She's comming! "
Graham: "Who's comming, there's nobody else here!"
Doctor: "Come on sexy, yes, there she is,... stabalize.... my beautiful Ghost Monument!"
The TARDIS appears and we get an emotional reunion between The Doctor & her beloved TARDIS. The others look on, amazed and puzzled, approaching cautiously.
yes! this, this is so much better, also love the continuety you added in the Doctor calling the TARDIS sexy lol
Another point about the awful direction that bothered me was that in every reveal of the tardis it has been shown from the companions' perspective.
In Rose the camera went from a close up of her face to a wide of the Tardis, same with Amy and 11's new Tardis (they even had the restraint to show the doctor's reaction but not the actual interior until Amy saw it as well). With the reveal of 11's second Tardis the camera literally tracked forwards into it as victorian Clara stepped into it for the first time, and same again when 12 redecorated slightly.
The best way to get the audience excited about a new tardis is to use the audience surrogates' (I.e. the companions) reaction to the tardis to prompt a feeling of excitement and wonder.
Instead we get Jodie whittaker walking in and making a generic callback and then see the most bland expressions I've ever seen on companions when walking into the tardis for the first time.
When you're copyright prevention bits look more like an alien planet than the episode itself. Really loving these, hadn't seen your channel before but now am subscribed and excited too see what you do next!
Thanks man! When messing with the colour I kept wondering why they didn't just recolour the sky in post. I mean hell it worked for Thoros Beta.
@@JackWolf10 yeah, I also liked the re-coloured sand, both make it look more vibrant and alien
@@JackWolf10 yep it sure did and I love that story .Best story in Trial of a Timelord imo
and despite what Chibnall thinks a far superior era
This edit really makes me miss the elegance of Moffat's Who no matter how confusing it got. 17:48
I was never confused, lol
How to bring up the cigar:
The doctor is monologging and at the end clicks her fingers to emphasise a point "...like that"
Then the dude says " careful, whoa whoa don't click your fingers my cigar'll light in my pocket"
the doctor "what?"
... explanation etc
Couldn't agree with you more about the TARDIS console (Agree with you pretty much all the way through the video) but this console is just..... bad.
The Smith/Capaldi console actually looked like a console, with buttons, dials, switches and levers... this one just looks like six empty glowing blocks with nothing to them.. with one lever for Jodie to pull. The Eccleston/ Tennant/Smith#1 consoles were similarly organic and simplistic but those designs I feel work. The coral effect looks actually organic (as opposed to rocks protruding out of the floor) and the console equipment had obviously been changed by the doctor/TARDIS, replacing broken switches with chess pieces or levers for bike pumps or dials for taps. Even though they were quirky in design, they still obviously had a function. Compare this to a glowing spinning mini TARDIS and a custard cream dispenser. WFT is the purpose of those apart from looking quirky. All surface level design. I doubt they don't even have functional names.
But anyway, thats just my two cents. Great video :)
The idea of the Doctor modifying the Tardis bit by bit has always seemed more interesting to me than a sudden change and sticking exactly the same until a showrunner shakes things up. Like installing the Slitheen shields and placing the hand at the console in the RTD era. Or the 12th doctor refreshing his Tardis with bookshelves and stuff to fit his new tastes. I liked the 11th's first Tardis interior, but the fact that it immediately had such a hodge podge of random things takes away from the idea that he just acquires it over time. Especially as they did such a great job of showing him tinker with it, it would have been nice to integrate things like installing the hot and cold taps into his tinkering scenes.
@@JOCoStudio1I didnt consider that but yeah, that’s something I’d like to see more of. Like you, I enjoyed the transformations the capaldi console went through (even bringing back the round things). I didn’t see any reason why they got rid of the console for Jodie.. it could easily have lasted a number of doctors just like the 1980s console. But hey. What’s done is done I guess
I love how this man spitts facts...
The crystal pillar thingies remind me of a dead spider
So, in regards to the bad group dynamic, I have a potential solution.
Apologies for the length, if you read it all, I thank you.
A large cast has been done before in Doctor Who, and it can be done well, but only when they each have specific character traits. Take 11, for example. First, we were introduced to River. A small bit, but still enough. Then we meet Amy. Rory is there, but we spend a good few episodes focusing on Amy, her character and her motivations.
THEN you bring Rory on board, once the Doctor and Amy are established characters, and spend some time developing him until he slots into the group. River has been there for the whole thing, but we never learn much about her. And notice that we don't learn anything about her story until AFTER Rory has been fully developed, in an arc that concludes with him becoming the Last Centurian.
Then we bring in River, and round out a nice cast of 4.
The new series just thought it could shortcut all that, and toss all four in a pot together and call it a day. They should have introduced one at a time. Maybe start with Yaz, and develop a relationship between her and the doctor. Go on a few adventures, and give her a reason to stay. She's a police officer, so maybe her motivation is to help people, and with the Doctor she finds it's easier to save lives, than it is back home. She gets to be a hero, and make a difference in a way she never could on Earth.
Boom, motivation and character arc set up.
Then you have what we currently have as the first episode, which introduces Ryan and Graham. When what's-her-face dies, Ryan joins the doctor and Yaz in an attempt to run away from his grief, while Graham stays behind to go through it naturally. Ryan is set p as defensive, possibly in denial about his dyspraxia as well as his grief. This sets him up in a similar vein to 9 and 10, as a man constantly running from his problems, and avoiding confrontation at all costs. This can spawn some conflict with the Doctor and Yaz always trying to fix things, while he just wants to have a good time on an alien planet that doesn't remind him of his grandmother.
Boom. Motivation and character arc set up.
After a while, Ryan develops, realises that he has to face it, confronts Graham, concluding his arc, and finally Graham joins the group. As Ryan's only living family member, he feels overly protective, and challenges the doctor's flighty happy-go-lucky attitude, especially after the Doctor caused the death of his wife. They might be on good terms now, but that doesn't change that. Maybe forcing her to realise that Ryan is disabled, and can't keep up with this lifestyle. They develop alongside each other, with the doctor becoming more accepting of people's limitations, and Graham learning to trust in other people after he lost his wife, and learning that Ryan can take care of himself, finally seeing the development he's gone through while with the Doctor.
Boom. Motivation and character arc set up. For the Doctor too, this time.
The dynamic would have been so much better if it had been staged like that, and the Woman who Fell to Earth would have been good as a middle episode to introduce new companions. Suddenly Yaz has a reason to follow the doctor through the episode, and her history with Ryan gives him and Graham a reason too, instead of the bomb bullshit.
This is by no means perfect, but it would fix a lot of problems. And this only took me about 10 minutes to come up with. Maybe less, I dunno I wasn't timing myself.
If you read it all, I hope you enjoyed it. Jackwolf, if you read this, let me know what you think. You seem to know a bit about storytelling and character writing, so I would value any feedback you have.
The worst part is, if a uni student can think all this up over lunch in a crowded refectory, without having thought about this series in months, surely a group of paid writers could make something better than a quartet of wooden planks.
Generally pretty accurate. Welcome to the cell phone era of TV shows. Where they expect you're watching your phone, not the show. So everything has to be spoken, facts blatantly stated and repeated, nothing can be subtle, the concept of the visual medium must be ignored. Those of us complaining of this are old dinosaurs that actually watch TV. We're not the critical 18 year old market anymore.
The good news though is we can sit in our rocking chairs and complain about it together while those young whippersnappers can't figure out why we are so grumpy all the time.
Oh god, it's the "Newspaper comic strip" era! You can even hear when they've UNNECESSARILY BOLDED Jodie's TEXT!
They do this in movies too. It aggravates the heck our of me.
As a young whippersnapper, I use my phone when watching series 12 because it's so mind numbingly boring I can't bear to watch it. I've been rewatching the earlier series (as I wasn't quite old enough to remember them as they came out) and on the good episodes, I'm *hooked*
Remember kids, guns are bad. But bombs are brilliant!
you know its bad when rarity from mlp is a better character than the companions
i like how his “training” for this tactical assault on the sniperbots was just charging at them with 0 tactics employed whatsoever
Wait, wait, wait. If series 11 Tardis had infinite mirrors I was pretty sure VFX team could be incredibly happy to remove cameras, crew and other unwanted elements. In other way, this would be full CG interior replacement. Really nice budget management.
Yeah, what. Who the hell designs a set that will recur in most episodes, ideally regardless of individual episode budget, to have something as awkward to film around as that. Jesus.
@@JOCoStudio1 Chibs
The fact that Ryan can manage to completely accurately use an alien gun after barely seeing robots use them not only without missing a single shot, makes his dyspraxia seem completely plot dependent (as someone with dyspraxia myself screw that) made even worse by referencing it in basically the next scene
omg I totally did not recognize those earlier shots of rags as remnants when I first watched the episode... only now that you point it out do I see. I dunno, maybe put some alien script on there to differentiate them from actual discarded cloth???
6:05 that could have been a great thing actually, if that was the point; the stenza cant design or build their own tech either because they cant make smart enough scientists or theyre too focused on their warrior culture, so they resort to forcing other races to make it or steal it from other races via conquest. itd be a bit like the krillitane only tech instead of biology. the doctor could comment on it, something like "this is stenza tech? looks nothing like what we saw tim shaw use" and we have that race-woman say "trust me, its stenza, that tech killed my family" or something like that. it could have been an interesting thing in concept and mayhaps even be a buildup in the series overall; what if the stenza/scientists working for stenza managed to get a hold of the TARDIS and replicated the time travel tech or some other tech thats inside the TARDIS, and the series finale thing that tim uses is that piece of stolen tech? that would add a sense of responsibility to the doctor for causing it, as well as making us fear the stenza more by making us wonder what theyd be like if they got their hands on dalek or cyber tech next.
i love this series because you put into words why i felt so off about this era. but also you offer suggestions on how the plot, characters and development of events could be improved which i really great because sometimes i have trouble pinpointing how to fix it and it makes me feel like dw is less of a lost cause and more of a case of lazy writing BUT ALSO its infuriating because now i see the lost potential in 4k and simple fixes that a professional showrunner or writer should have considered
I can't remember why I preferred this episode to The Woman who Fell to Earth now. At least The Woman who Fell to Earth had Grace in it.
And the Doctor wasn't dressed as a Playschool presenter.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Honestly, I have nothing against the Doctor's costume. A bit bland, but there's nothing wrong with it.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I just expect her to say "Let's see what's through the small six panelled window today, boys and girls".
It seemed they were frightened of making her too feminine. Romana's costume from Warrior's Gate would have been a good starting point. Simple, feminine, practical.
honestly from this episode it seems painfully clear the writers just threw darts with the companions faces at the script and that was how they decided who said and did what. So how did the rags, a "biological" weapon created on and presumably never having left desolation know anything about the "timeless child", seems weird.
P.S. the sniper bots were beyond shit and the acetylene field was perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever seen or heard.
17:48 Can we just talk about how stupidly unnecessary this is? "You'd need an incredible amount of power", yeah it's almost like the TARDIS has a supernova frozen in time to sap power from. What's the point of adding some crystal that apparently just allows you to travel through time when the TARDIS already has an answer for where it gets the energy from? And the Eye of Harmony actually makes sense - it's a real thing that's just being harnessed by sci-fi technology, yet this "time crystal" is literally a magic rock like something from a fantasy world. Even when the TARDIS had been shown to have crystals before, they were things like power cells where it's understandable that they were simply storing energy that had been put into them and weren't some magic source of infinite energy.
'Bossy, irritating, cold, ineffective and emotionally temperamental...' Jodie's Doctor in a nutshell.
"And it pops out a little custard cream, and look at the delight on her face, Its SOOOOO Doctor WHoooy" Chibnal im not impressed, i am not ammused....
"it's so doctor whooy"
no, it's really not
Watching these videos is almost like one big revelation for someone like me who doesn’t know much about cinematography or direction, nor production or writing. Watching the episode I knew things felt off, and on the surface I was able to identify the awful dialogue and strange pacing but you go so in-depth about details that I wouldn’t have been able to identify on my own but after hearing you speak about it, I know exactly what you mean and I agree with ur points.
I just wish that this series had better minds behind it, I think the cast and characters had so much potential, and whilst I’m not a fan of multiple companions to the one doctor I think the three of them could have had great backstories, and well-developed character arcs, relationships and personalities had they been given the proper attention. Such a shame, especially since Jodie Whittaker in particular is such a skilled actress (I have seen her in other things and she has done such an amazing job)
What in the world just finished watching part 3 and was like I gotta wait another couple months now to be treated with this
this series has so many uncomfortable close ups
In your videos, you have succinctly summed up why I had to give up on Who.
I hope someone who's involved with in making Doctor who has seen these videos.
Also, as with the doctor using the master's ethnicity against him (which you point out in another video) I think the way they make fun of tzimsha/tim shaw's name is also mildly inappropriate. Like if there was someone you didn't like from another country, it still wouldn't be that cool to mock them based on 'haha! your name is difficult to pronounce you foreign/alien idiot! lol!' if you get what I mean
That episode with Ryan and the guns struck me as bizarre. The Doctor berates Ryan for using a gun (on robots that are trying to shoot them!) then she uses a nuke-like EMP weapon to fry them all. That does NOT give her any right to sound morally superior. It makes her sound thoroughly hypocritical, and more unlikeable every minute.
And poor Yaz has to say "Facing that sniperbot was worse than being on duty in the city centre on a Friday night". That is painfully, clunkily unfunny. Cut half the words and it could have been made into a funny line. Chibnall can't write comedy.
Those 'remnants' were a pretty pathetic monster. And what the hell is an acetylene field? Well, maybe on an alien planet you might get acetylene, rather than just methane, from decomposition. Acetylene is lighter than air (so why hasn't it all escaped), so it's feasible they wouldn't have been asphyxiated, but it's also inflammable in anything from 3% to 83% in air, which makes it quite likely the Doctor et al would have got well fried by lingering traces of C2H2. Actually, methane would have worked just as well for the plot.
Oh, and the new Tardis interior looks ghastly. Particularly after the spacious and elegant Capaldi one. (And I wrote this before JackWolf said as much). Those nodding columns (was that in a later ep?) look weird and almost indecent.
So, I thought the overall concept - a space race, culminating in finding the Tardis (and Ghost Monument was a lovely title) was quite good. Just let down by most of the details.
your copyright prevention editing looks way better than the nauseating teal and brick orange color grade they chose for the whole season
I still can't get over how incompetent the show has gotten. Even ignoring subjective things like Whitakers interpretation of he Doctor (which I hate but I get that that's subjective) the show doesn't even do basic things right any more.
The music which you didn't really touch on is terrible in both series 11 and 12. Such a stepdown from Murray Gold. The acting is just flat out bad at times. Bradley Walsh is surprisingly excellent but the rest of the main cast are so average. The bloke who plays Ryan in particular is so bad
The cinematography has become awful seemingly overnight for some reason (seriously why does Chibnalls era somehow look so much worse despite a much larger budget?) And as you pointed out the editing is irritating and confused.
The pacing is consistently awful and Chibnal does not know how to structure and pace a story correctly. His payoffs are nearly always rushed and underwhelming.
And the writing. Oh God's the writing. The less said about it the better
I definitely plan to tear into the music in a later part. Some episodes are so tone-deaf in their soundtrack choices, its baffling.
Walsh is OK, but he doesn't usually get much to do except crack the odd joke or deliver cheesy lines of encouragement ("We're always here for you, Doc", etc). Of course, delivering comic one-liners is Bradley Walsh's day-job, so he naturally does that kind of thing very well. But when he gets more "actor-ish" things to do (like his speech at Grace's funeral), his line-delivery is adequate, but not remotely in the same league as (say) Arthur Darvill, Matt Lucas or Catherine Tate.
Much as I like Bradley Walsh - and I do - I can't imagine him portraying the range of moods/emotions that other Companions often have to do. I think Graham currently stands out because (a) Walsh is a naturally engaging personality; and (b) Yaz and Ryan are arguably the most under-characterised Companions in the the show's history.
@@ftumschk maybe it is just a case of Walsh's natural charisma carrying the show but I was surprised at how good he was. Although as you say maybe he just seems good compared to the 2 planks of wood that are the other 2 companions
@@lovablesnowman Indeed :)
Guns are bad
Grenades are good
Chibnall Doctor~
Can you imagine a whole series of this space race? No TARDIS, just the Doctor and one or two of the racers as the companions, going from planet to planet with a supporting cast of other racers being whittled down, having to choose whether to help the troubles of the planets they find themselves on or to race on and give themselves advantages in the race
I did media production, the most basic colour correction in editing is using orange (warm) and blue (cold) hue to make the shot look natural. How did no one think the tardis colours might be an issue to address?
I think what they were trying to do with the crystal pillars was to draw your eye towards the center console and essentially act as the wavy “coral” pillars from the 9/10 Tardis. However, it instead makes the space feel more cramped and the opposite of a respite from strange alien worlds - the pillars literally look like claws poised to nab whoever’s in the center. It’s just a room that it feels like no one should want to be in. Would’ve been perfect as the Master’s Tardis tbh, they give that sort of predator toying with their food vibe - or maybe even honey trap vibe - that suits the inherent aggression of the pillars’ silhouettes and the harshly contrasting colors.
16:52 Honestly looks like the "Journey to the cente of the tardis" scene where the ship blows up lol I had no idea there were so many problems with the set - the blocking, the colours, the reflections, oh my god. It's like, Chibs gives himself an extra 3 months per series but that extra time doesn't help when everyone doesn't know what they're doing lol
Watching Tennant era episodes (or pretty much any before Chibnall) always breaks my heart at how good the show was and how bad it's become. My main problem with the current show is a chronic lack of depth and constant, god awful dialogue and exposition. There's the lack of any real dynamic too, like your videos have so brilliantly demonstrated so far. I greatly look forward to your further analysis and review, it's great so far and I'm sure you can explore these issues in great depthm
not to defend chibnall, but as a dyspraxic myself, i find compuer games far easy, because its not much about dexterity, only just remembering where to put your fingers, and you dont have to move fingers aroudn in patterns how you would when writing. i also find most gun subsistutes ive used (nerf, paintball airsoft) easy to use because its just pointing and clicking. also, the magic space laser gun ryan uses clearly experiences no recoil, and recoil is easily the hardest part of guns to control.
and no dyspraxic has a problem with ladders. chibnall didnt do shit research
One of the few redeeming features of chibnalls attempt at the show is the tardis exterior, although if you cant draw a blue rectangle, you probably have a problem
I like how the spaceship effect featured really solid CGI and compositing, but the floating rags and the fire that incinerates them (especially the fire effect) are straight from 2002 television standards
Acetylene actually has an anaesthetic effect , quite a powerful one , they totally would have passed out , also it burns at 3500c , so yeah as stated in the video they would be toast , toasted as fuck
I visited the Doctor Who sets in Cardiff during Capaldi's era, and upon entering the TARDIS set, promptly stumbled down the steps and had to brace myself as I hit the console. Talk about famous goofs!
I'd like to see what Whittaker does after the show. So few roles require an actor to pull stupid faces.
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6:00 those shrouds are similar to Lethifold’s, a creature from Harry Potter, which are carnivorous living shrouds. 👌
You'd be an incredible script editor. The suggestions you make regarding how to improve the series are genuinely brilliant.
Her Tardis is actually remarkably terrible. Like to the point where the interiors a hazard. 1 bumpy ride and Graham’s been impaled by a crystal spire.
is it bad that I laughed at this comment lol
Basically, Doctor Hooey.
19:20 what a line honestly the delivery is perfect
I don't get the design themes behind 13's Tardis. Every other Doctor's TARDIS reflected their personality in some way, but there's nothing here.
it feels like chibnall watched every doctor who episode when it aired and then never saw them again
On the subject of the new TARDIS interior.
I remember playing Doctor Who: Edge of Time (The PSVR game) and the first time the TARDIS materialised in front of me and I got to push open the door was like living a childhood dream, but as soon as you step into Jodie's console room the moment was ruined, because you just realise how bland and empty it feels in comparison to the other modern interiors.
Does this mean you're reviewing every episode of Series 11 and 12? If so, cannot wait!
one of the companions reaction to the tardis should have been: they fly now
Really enjoyed watching this. You were on point about so many things. The Ghost Monument should have been named "They Walk and They Talk and then They Take Naps and then Walk and Talk Again". (Hell, I know that's a bad name for a Doctor Who episode, but at least it makes more sense than half of the titles Chibnall comes up with!). I can't wait for the After School Special about Rosa Parks, followed by a 50-minute "We Hate Trump" rant disguised as a Doctor Who episode!
Jack: Compliments the Tardis design
Chibs: "And I took that personally."
Hairless Chibnall just looks like Greg Wallace
Crossed with Jeff Bezos
I honestly can't see Doctor Who lasting more than another couple of series, it's lost viewers, the writing is God awful and the acting is wooden as hell. Jodie is a very competent actress, this was just the wrong role for her I feel. The constant "social justice" pushing is unnecessary and annoying, the audience regardless of age just wants to be entertained by fun storylines, well written characters and the trademark Doctor Who sense of humour and quirkiness. All of that is missing now and I don't think Chibnall will change tact and employ decent writers anytime soon.
The custard cream feature in the Tardis illustrates how the show has become a pile of vacuous shit. Chibnall couldn't "produce" his way out of a paper bag.
And the new audience that fawn and rapidly clap their hands over that superficial feature as though it was the best idea since the gender swap. Just look at the vacant comments on the official Tardis reunited clip from this story on the official BBC/DW channel. It's like reading comments from a kindergarten.
@@mekonta
neither gender swap or the magical biscuit machine were great ideas imo personally I think they are both facepalm moments. But I've faced much abuse for criticizing at least one of those apparently "BRILLIANT" ideas 😂😂😂 sooooo doctor whooy
3.5 but we’re only 2 episodes in, lord, chibs has just provided you with all the free cpm by constantly writing shite 😂
18:21 Yeah, watching this review, I can tell that it's all Doctor Hooey. All of it.