REMINDER: Behaviour is a multi million, successful company. They don't need you to white knight them in the comment section, nor they care about you besides as a costumer. So please, if you want to discuss a point or you disagree with anything I said in this video, I accept that as long as you don't disrespect me or anyone else. The maths behind this video can be found in the description. The number in the thumbnail is the combination of both grinding for all characters, and grinding for all licensed perks. In other words, this is the number behind the phrase: "You can grind for almost everything in the game just by playing" which by the way is impossible with the current Shrine of Secrets. The game is not strictly Pay 2 Win. I never said as long as you don't have deadlock, you cannot win. I say that Deadlock is a competitive advantage over someone that doesn't have it. If you can win with free perks in high MMR, become a streamer and show the world how good you are and how you don't need Meta perks like Eruption, Call of Brine or Reassurance like the competitive players do. I don't care that this is a "casual" game. Fortnite is a casual game and there are no gameplay elements locked behind a paywall. In this game, there are. Maybe you can't grind for Ghostface for free, but that doesn't matter because you have The Nurse. But you cannot get The Nurse with Lethal Pursuer, and that is my problem. Considering the fact that the game has a battle pass, a DLC every three months, plenty of paywalled licensed characters AND PAYWALLED PERKS THAT ALTER THE GAMEPLAY AND ARE META, what is the excuse for having overpriced cosmetics in a PAID game? Even if the cost to unlock Deadlock was 1 dollar, that doesn't remove the fact that the game is built on Pay 2 Win monetization schemes. Combine this with my past video about limited time cosmetics, and we have a game preying on two scummy monetization tactics. The game IS UNFAIR for new players. The game IS UNFAIR to casuals. Even if you don't care, it doesn't remove that fact. Yeah the game can be fun without paying, Clash Royale is too. Watching paint dry is also fun with friends. If you still defend Behaviour even after admitting all of this... I wish you the best on earning that brilliant Fog Whisperer status!
The game is pay to own and while good perks are hidden behind a grind / pay wall if you had to buy one DLC a month it would equate to the same as games with subscription models where everything is free with the subscription maybe that could be another option. The majority of players that have all DLC as you stated buy it as they are released every 3-6 months (Licenced) so you could essentially catch up to everyone after a year most MMOs have that type of grind for new players and have subscriptions to speed up that grind which I would again equate to DBDs monitization model. So yes if you play it for free after the initial purchase you won't get the full experience without spending more money.
@@RemOmni Yep, a lot of people are paying this game as a subscription, which is fair for anyone that has played for years. For new players, just like you said, is really unfair!
easy fix? every player can choose personal perks to appear in the shrine at least 1 / week so your guaranteed to have the perk you want the most each week
It depends on the view. For players like me who started playing years ago, the monetization is fantastic! For new players, the game's monetization is absolute trash. I cannot convince anyone to play DBD anymore and it's easy to say "You don't need it" when you have the luxury of having them!
@@yokingboii and? The monetization on them is still an issue. They're basically priced so you'd have to play 24/7 to get them, thus basically forcing people into buying them if they want them.
Anyone who isn't disgusted by Behaviors business practice for dead by daylight needs to rethink their understanding of marketing and businesses in general. Not to mention anyone who defends this kind of practice just needs to rethink their entire life because clearly they are horrible with money and the understanding of what a SCAM is. Dead by Daylight is a PAYED game that acts so close to a gacha game. The only difference is you get what you pay for instead of needing to blow hundreds for a chance to get something. Most free to play games if not gacha lock ONLY cosmetics behind pay walls. Dead by daylight is absurd and disgusting with it's business practices. Unfortunately there is nothing people can do about it.
@@raurisaurus5057 or... you can just not pay them? they stick with the business model because people are paying, but personal action can be taken, just dont "buy in" or dont play the game at all, hit em where it hurts, their stats and their pocket book
@@jamesw8698 Here's a crazy idea: I haven't payed them, yet it's still perfectly okay to point out Scammy business methods that shouldn't be a thing. Also it's very easy to practice horrible business methods in the video game industry because when you create a game that many people like, you can monopolize off of it. Other companies who create games like it usually don't do well and it makes people come back to the original one that tends to also practice scummy business methods. Dead by daylight has no competition. Therefore they get away with monopolization. The argument "or you just don't pay them" is usually irrelevant in almost every case. That's like watching someone murder someone in front of you and going "Just don't take that street and you won't be murdered". You don't need to partake in something to point out it's bullshit.
@@raurisaurus5057 there are multiple games, a symmetrical horror themed, kinda like dbd, and hell bhvr tried making a different game that was still 1 hunter 4 or 5 runners but that one quickly got shut down the moment they turned it into basically another dbd, it was more fun when the runners could defend themselves more easily against the hunter as for the other games, there was Last Year, VHS, Identity V (though Identity V is worse than dbd in both monetization and encouraging killers to camp/tunnel) although it was a mobile game to start, but you can play it on pc as well and its free so and how is "just dont pay them" not a good argument? what happens if NO ONE pays them? they immediately have to change their business model because they immediately go into the red, they have to pay their staff, correct? and they want to make a profit correct? which is why they keep pushing out the rifts, auric cell only cosmetics, and DLCs every 3 months even though we still have issues like 1 side of a gen not working, perks being bugged, killers themselves being bugged, but not kill switched because its the new DLC killer and wouldnt want to make it so people dont buy the DLC would we? especially after already killswitching the new map when the dlc dropped because they couldnt be bothered to test and see if all the pallets spawned properly there was a PTB and im guessing they did something after that that fucked everything on that map an they let it go live without testing it, whats the point of a PTB if once they make other changes if messes things up anyway? its pure incompetence on their end, no one should be giving them money
@@jamesw8698 So you agree no one should be giving them money, but what you aren't seeing is that the argument "just don't pay them" when someone is complaining about how they do scummy business scams is a flawed argument. If one person doesn't pay them it doesn't change anything. You'd have to change the mindset of millions of players which isnt easy and is highly unlikely due to how uncontested DBD is. Every game you mentioned has its ups and downs but none have gotten close enough to be popular enough competition with DBD to force it to have better business models. If you've ever played genshin you would understand how it works. Having an uncontested game allows a company to monopolize the genre and they can make millions of mistakes, but as long as the game is playable and fun and doesn't feel clunky people will buy into it. I'm surprised VHS hasn't ran DBD into the ground, but I'm hoping it will soon get much more monetization and exposure. The issue is that behavior won't change their business model because there is no reason to, and people have tried to copy them. Even their other game failed. DBD for some reason has a choke hold on people and we have yet to see anything come close to forcing behavior to step up their game in terms of satisfying their playerbase. The only hope we currently have is that people get fed up with dbd's meta and quit, and even then I don't want to see people quitting. I want to see behavior either making more characters free and giving people access to the content they pay for, or making the game free to play and giving all the people who've payed for it access to more killers and survivors. (And even then a free to play game that monetizes gameplay is horrendously problematic). Especially when cosmetics are overpriced and so are the characters.
Fun fact: On dbd mobile, there is no shrine of secrets. In order to get a dlc character for free, you have to unlock them using the challenge system. Every week there is a new challenge that rewards 5 auric cells. The said challenge usually takes 2-3 games to complete. This means that you have to wait 100 weeks and play 2-3 games per week to get a dlc character. That is a little less than 2 years of grinding.😮
I feel like it would make a huuuuge difference if you built up shards faster or it cost way fewer shards to unlock things. I also think you should be able to use shards to get the "bundle" of perks from each licensed character whenever you want, not just through the shrine. That way it'd still be possible to at least earn the perks while the actual licensed character is still paid.
This aged really good considering they announced the price drops on shards for non licensed characters. still wish they would put an amount of shards on the licensed character tho but I guess they gotta make their money somehow.
tho it's not rly expensive , for example now it's christmas sale , legit you can buy almost any dlcs (except the last 2 ones) with 2-3 euros i don't think it's a lot 2,5 euros for 1 killer and 1 survivor
Fun fact, if you ask non-dbd players, THIS is the reason most of them don't want to play the game, they only see a EA-like experience where most of the good stuff is behind DLC's and extra content you need to grind for.
I really enjoyed DBD when I started playing, but I stopped playing once I realized how much of a money sink it was going to be. I really liked the idea of trying out new builds, but I got disheartened when I did the math and found out it would take me hundreds of hours of grinding just to try one build.
That makes no sense… it’s a $10 game most of the time. And people are willing to pay $80 for a reskin l of last years COD? Get out of here. These arguments are so stupid. Most of the DLC is $2-$4. The only thing over priced here are cosmetics. Anyone worried about playing this game for 70 hours does not even need perks. Perks are not what is going to make or break their games. Meta builds have no meaning at the low MMR levels. Meta builds change all the time. You don’t need meta builds to win. It’s an asymmetric game. This guy made enough money from this dumb video to unlock all the perks he would want. That is how dumb this entire video is.
being a vet player who has bought basically all the licensed content I do often forget how bad the Monetization is. This is an important topic to be brought up. imagine how many more players the game could have if the entry to barrier was not so vast.
Yeah, I started playing the game at last Christmas, and I though, “for a paid game this sure does have a lot of pay-to-win shit” I still play it and have bought some stuff, and I think it’s very enjoyable, but the pay wall is very annoying, especially when I already have a hard time getting enough blood points for a survivor or killer.
Yes dude, I tried to play with some vet friends awhile back and it was INSANELY frustrating for me being a new player. I wanted all these perks and survivors that I couldn't get until I played forever or paid real money on top of already buying the game. Long story short I got killed 90% of the time due to inexperience and no good perks like the one that boosts movement speed after vaulting. It's insane.
@@DamnedNightmareI know it’s a miserable system that still hasn’t been addressed. It’s 10x worse if you want to play a killer that isn’t the nurse. If you are still playing I recommend you level up meg as both adrenaline can be super clutch in the endgame and sprint burst is a much better substitute for lithe (the vault perk you mentioned)
Honestly for me i dodnt mond jist cause im so used to bad monetization. I played r6 for a long time for example and dbd is very similair in proces, cheaper even generally
Its pretty crazy how predatory this games monetisation is. Thank you for shining a light on this situation especially for newer / casual players that dont want to pay for something
@pegeta this is very true I convinced my friend to play with me but once she realized how many characters and perks she needed to unlock she got discouraged and barely plays now.
It's called DLC . . . On of the least invasive monetization methods out of all online games. Even as someone who hates modern practices, it is just silly how much you people want to complain about nothing. Cash shop it all cosmetic. Battle pass is all cosmetic. Game is not a sub. Base game and past DLC is very, very, often heavily discounted. Cry more about nothing.
@@gelo888 I mean, I can tell you for sure I'm not on every comment. I responded to like 4 or 5 of the higher ones. Not sure how that is bad? Good for the YT algorithm too. So quit whining about my commenting. Besides that, if your comment above is the best you have in response then I care nothing for what you say anyway.
To add on the cosmetic sides of things. Much like OW2, a killer will NEVER be able to see his own cosmetics in game aside from searching for a match or upgrading the killer. It's purely for the other people to see, so you're not even buying the cosmetic for yourselves but for the opponents. At least with survivor you get to see your own character. Which makes it even worse for the killers.
That is how alot of first person games are. And ik DBD isn not a fps game but the first person format works better for killer especially killers like huntress, deathlinger, blight and others.
Another thing to note is that when a Tome is active, perks needed for the Tome Challenges will be thrown into the Shrine of Secrets, which effectively reduces the odds of getting the perks you need even more since 2 of the Perk Slots will always be dedicated to the Tome.
But isn't that a good thing as well? Otherwise people would complain that they throw in rift perks and can not get it in time, would be unfair otherwise
..I barely know anything about DBD(I basically just started watching), but both of these responses can be easily addressed. Preventing rerolls pretty obvious reduces the odds of getting new perks because each reroll is a new chance of the perk. getting x from 4 random rolls is much likely then getting x from 2 random rolls and 2 gaurenteed Ys. Saying there's literally 0 difference in change is a huge stretch. @Thomas Cunning We're talking about 2 from hundreds of perks from the pool, so statistically speaking it won't be the perk you need. Because of that, Assuming the perk is what you need is a terrible argument. Even then, you need at least 4 perks to build a kit, so this will still effect you.(i'm assumming based on the context the tomes last for rerolls even after buying the perk as well, but I'd need clarification for that) @fredward _ An easy way of solving the issue of players being able to consistently get tome perks to simply keep it separate from the main shrine pool. Why does the consistenty of the tome perks require that it reduces the odds of other perks? This is a good thing on the surface, but it causes unnecessary harm to the system in how it's executed.
@@thenielz1 The Shrine of Secrets has 4 perk slots. Whenever a Tome is active (which typically follows the release of a new Rift), some characters have challenges released for them requiring certain perks to be used. While the Tome (and Rift) is active, 2 perk slots in the Shrine of Secrets will be always be dedicated towards perks needed for Challenges. Thus reducing your ability to get access to perks since the odds are reduced.
I just got the game for the first time, 3 days ago. Imagine my shock when I bought the digital copy on the store for about $70 dollars, and I didn't have all the characters unlocked... I was highly disappointed, some of the killers are only purchasable with auric cells, like The Executioner, which I wanted bad enough to cough up my last bit of cash to get.
@@stanosbourne8825thats not the point though,you pay a good amount of money for it just to be shown that to have a build that gives you info on survivors doing gens,gen regressing,and auras getting revealed,you still have to spend money or grind just to get maybe one perk from that killer,its silly that you still have to spend so much money just to start feeling the game instead of having no perks that give you info at all,while being new to the perk system
That part sucks but I’m pretty sure that only being bought with real money is part of the licensing contract for the characters. That’s why all the licenses ones can’t be bought with shards
Excellent advice! It is the only way to turn the grind of this game from a Chinese MMO to a full fledged RPG! Sales occur on Christmas, on Halloween and on the anniversary, which is around July!
They already said million of times they'd give away shards for free in daily events and nothing happened, the Christmas and Halloween event and is still not enough
Man the Shrine of Secrets has always been a really suspicious system. Back when BBQ & Chili gave bonus BP, I think it appeared a total of like 4 times in the Shrine up until they axed that part of it. I don't believe it's a wholly random jackpot, and that popular perks likely have a lower percentage chance of appearing compared to others.
I think that obvious, deadlocked is a good example, it is a meta perk that probably everyone wants but pinhead is a licensed character, dbd developers would loose a lot of money just for selling the perk in the shrine of secrets
@@sutai_they did somehow this cycle, immediately bought it from shrine. It doesn't fix these problems though. It will probably be months (or years) until you can even buy that perk again. That's most definitely not fair.
when i started to play, i fell in love with the huntress. I wanted to play with barbecu and chili, before knowking i didnt have the killer who got this perks and that i had to play hundreds of game before being able to buy him with shards
@@casedistorted loose because the only way to buy pinhead is with irl money but in the shrine you CAN buy the perk only using a value thats is posible to farm, so its a complete loose, eventhought deadlocked appeared like 2 months ago
As a new player, can confirm, it still is a pretty damn unfriendly system. Only thing that keeps me interested for now is having a friend who plays with me. If I felt like it was more worthwhile to actually pay, I certainly would be likely to pay more for things, but seeing just how much it requires for me to get any optimal build, it feels like I'm being forced towards it and so I refuse.
I got the game years ago but only just started putting a lot of time into it. The fact that just spending the auric cells on some licensed characters is cheaper than buying the chapter is really stupid. And the bundle system is also extremely dumb and just punishes people for buying chapters. Not to mention one of the bundles literally also costs more than buying the characters individually since it only has 3 killers.
I feel the reason this isn’t big in the community is because they buy all dlc and never worry about it. When I first bought it I bought the steam bundle that came with all unlicensed killers and survivors. I know the game goes on sale often. I can see a new player seeing it for like 5 dollars and buys it. Then sees all the stuff they need to buy.
And then sees how most of that DLC is also on sale, and how cool it is they get to benefit from more than half a decade of content for far, far, less than they would if it was a sub game. Guess pay to win now means not free.
@@arkainin4638 The fact that Dead By Daylight COSTS money, and yet they have the audacity to charge so much money for content that honestly should be free. I completely understand the licensed characters costing money, but these new characters honestly should not be locked behind a pay wall, it’s completely unfair because there’s barely anything “free” in dead by daylight. It’s basically a pay the game, then pay to win. Not only that, but the skins cost just too much money. How is it fair that characters who aren’t licensed have skins locked begin hours upon hours of gameplay, EACH. It’s literally impossible to progress with this game if you don’t put hours a day into it, every day, for every week, and get good skins and characters that other people can just buy the moment it comes out. Super unfair. Even with the shrine of secrets, the perks should not cost that much because they give huge advantages, the only thing that’s saving DBD perk system is that most meta perks are free because theyre on all of the base survivors, with hunters, not so much. What you’re doing is enabling DBD to function as if it was a game that was free and thus can charge money for their cosmetics and perks and characters, when in reality it’s not and a LOT of what they’re charging should be free or at the very least a lot cheaper, and they should be rewarding free players. I just wanna say, I HAVE NEVER come across a game that charges this much money and the game itself also costs money. I understand that the game is cheap, but I play on the PS4. Everything I have gotten is free, I haven’t spent a dime on the game because I have to have PS+ to play it, and that costs me 10 dollars every month, or sometimes 25+ dollars every 3 months. I’m having to pay extra to actually even play the game, and it’s ridiculous to think they want MORE money.
@@PhysicallyAwake This has got to be a troll response. I don't see how it can be anything but considering how out of touch with gaming and payment models you are. That, or you are very young and grew up on freemium models online. Sorry to break it to you, but game development costs money. When developers spend time and resources on creating new content, they either need to go freemium, loot boxes, sub fee, or DLC. DLC is the least invasive of these methods. End of the line, you want more content, you need to pay for it somewhere. I'd prefer the small DLC that is often heavily discounted. You also just don't seem to understand gaming in general. Like, you honestly sound like you just want full kit everything 100% unlocked the instant you install. That's fine, but it's not this game, it's not most games, and it's pretty much no online game. You play to level and unlock gear, in DBD perks, and through your perks you can grind better and do more. This is how almost all online games work. Personally, I would rather they keep doing as they are now, DLC, and move all cosmetics to achievements, but the cosmetics are generally fairly priced compared to most games so not really an issue for me. Look, if you have no money, no time, no ability, then this sucks. Yes. I would argue then that maybe you should just play a different game that is free and requires no time. Single player games maybe? Well, no because you still have to buy those. If you honestly think that DBD has the worst monetary practices of any game you've seen, then again, you are super young, are not a gamer, or are a troll. Because friend, this does not even scratch the surface. Ever hear of gotcha games? Or hell, CoD, WoW, most MMO's, Destiny, Genshin Impact, Overwatch, all sports games, ect, ect. TLDR: Quit whining and pay like 10$ every few months to just own all the content. Less than the average sub game, and far less than most sink into lootbox games or fermium model games.
@@arkainin4638 How are the cosmetics fairly priced most of them cost $15. I can by another game with that money. And your argument of the person being young makes no sense since if they are young, they will be more likely to fine with this practice since it started 8 or 9 years ago. Gacha games are terrible but at least the base game is free. Dbd is NOT free, console version cost $30, steam version cost $20. The mobile version gives auric cells for free and that version is free! They have no excuse.
@@Sparklecakes13 Except they are not mostly $15, they are mostly $11-$12. You might need to buy $15 worth of cells, but let's be factual and not conflate the two. See, what you have here is called a live service. It's a game, where you buy, and then the developers continue to create content for players to play and consume and buy. This is not a single player game with a one time dev cost. This is not a game you have to sub to every month to play. It's buy once, and you can pay more later for more, if you want. 100% optional. The reason I say you must be very young is because this model of game is one of the oldest out there. It's called DLC. As for cosmetics, I admitted I wish they were earned in-game instead. But, and this is important, it's not pay to win - at all. Cosmetics have nothing to do with pay to win. Go make a video about skin selling in a buy to own game if you want and I would probably agree that it should not be done. That's not this video though.
Bro I just started playing the game a few days ago and let me tell you, finding out there was a season pass for a game that you have to pay for was wild. Been getting to know the community and it’s crazy how players are perfectly fine with these game developers, players would not put up with these shenanigans in other communities and would put a stop to all this real quick. These game developers don’t really seem to care about the community too much and the best thing to do would be to boycott the game for a good time and let them feel it. To me it just looks like they’re money hungry
Its a paid game with paid dlcs and a Battle pass and 10-20€ skins. Its legit peek modern gaming and DBD is only a double AA company but even more greedy than COD. At least in COD gameplay stuff isnt behind a pay wall.
@@Metha_59 nobody said the pass was p2w. To sum it up for you, I said it’s crazy for a game that you buy to have a battles pass. There are plenty of free games with a battle pass and that makes sense. What is p2w is how every character is behind a pay wall. You can grind for the character, but with how much I played I was only able to buy two characters in a month with iridescent shards. Don’t get me started on all the characters you can only buy with auric cells
EDIT: You nailed it with the "only people who have bought all the DLC don't see how bad the shrine is" thing, because I'm one of those people and I totally lost touch. When my Wife and Sister-in-Law play I get reminded that I'm the loser with too much time and money invested (and in my defense, I bought all of these on sale, but I did spend real money and regret doing so now). It might be my favorite (multiplayer) game, I've only ever described DBD's approach as "better than other games," but never as "totally okay," because it's definitely not. It's not even a FTP title, so walling off chunks of the game as DLC (specifically non-licensed original characters) is frankly a bit of a dick move, especially given their success in the marketplace and the buggy and unpolished releases.
I dont think you should regret paying for the DLC, i truly believe the licensed characters should be bought to support the game, but perks need to be universally available. No need to regret buying something that you found fun.
@@matthewking7571 That’s fair, but don’t make me pay for original killers who should be earned “fairly” through in game means. Not 9000 kf those stupid shards that only give you 300 per 1 to 2 hours of my time.
@@Crispy_DAWG I do agree, I think 5000 is more fair. But realistically, I don't mind to much. I make 5 dollars in 20 minutes at work, so I'll buy a character, put time into them, if I don't like them I unlock their perks on killers I like, play around with builds, then if I want to tru new perks or killers I spend the low price of 5 bucks. I live pretty close to poverty, and I can still find that I can afford 1 character if need be. Funny enough yes the grind is long, but you do really get a lot to do for 5 dollars a character. Plus they don't actually make nearly as much off original characters, so I don't realistically know how they could change monetization, that would be good for the game overall
I wont lie, you opened my eyes to this. As a player who's paid for all the DLC, I've never thought about how hard it was to get the meta builds unless you spent money. I actually just recently picked up playing killer. As a survivor main I have all the perks unlocked and maxed, not so much as a killer. Its definitely been a struggle trying to not only get, but also max out the perks I need for my builds when all my killers are level 1, un-prestiged.
So have I but over the past few years, there is nothing wrong paying to get new content over the lifespan of a game. For how much some of play this game like 100s to literal thousands, how can some people seriously justify saying that spending money on it is bad. If I play a game literally all the time, then its a good investment.
@@BustinCyder you are the reason they get away with this, perks are behind a paywall which is GAMEPLAY related, no one cares about paid COSMETICS, you deserve to be spit on...
Likewise have all DLC, @op I recommend p3 each killer individually, and not jump around, so your not expending bp on t1, t2 perks as you build each up, use the monthly reset bonus to dump on killer prestige, if you're wanting to adept each, don't play a match or limited amount of matches as said killer until you have lvl 10 at a min, it helps with the mmr scaling.
I believe that a step in the right direction is to change the shrine of secrets to, an actual store or shop system. the only thing that is random is that every 3 days. there would sales on a couple random perks for both survivor and killer. They would still cost shards, but maybe a bit less to shrink the grind.
i don't think you understand what they are saying they said they would still cost shards the earnable stuff but sometimes have discounts and way more/all perks as an option.@@quantumblurrr
@@quantumblurrr Not really, like at all?? If all of the perks are consistently in the shop, there wouldn't be a need to wait, thus less incentive to spend real money. The proposed shop would likely use an in-game currency, be it blood points or shards or even something brand new altogether.
@@justmonika2345 From what I've seen BHVR are less in contact with fog whisperers that are known to Criticize the game, The only reason why people like Otz are in such constant communication wtih the dev's is because he's considered the golden boy and he words things JUST right, as to not come across as a person who says 'I want this fucking changed now or I ain't buying shit or playing your game' type of guy.
@@LynxRecruit Funny you mention Otz. His face during many matches is one of pain, but i can get mad. He can't. It's his income. Sometimes it feels like he's at job he hates.
I can understand the licensed killers being locked behind a paywall, but none licensed killers should be already accessible or at least decrease the iri shard cost. I don't care personally for the grind, but I can understand why others would be frustrated
As a new player that just bought the game last week... I thought the same thing. This game has so many features behind a paywall that it actually rivals free to play games. I still love the game so far but there are so many perks and characters people have recommended to me that I'm just not willing to spend money on right now.
I'm glad you mentioned the weirdness of legendary cosmetics because I want James so much more than Cheryl but I dont have him because I refuse to spend $15 on a skin when if the character was released on his own he'd be $5
i do definitely agree with the shrine of secrets, why would you buy a singular perk on tier 3 for 6k shards when you could just pay to get a killer and get all 3 of its perks, the shrine of secrets is just so terrible and expensive, it definitely needs a rework but they wont do that
The idea you proposed about the nurse not being overtaken in power by a licensed killer because people would attack them for pay to win gameplay is very valid
Not really. Nurse just completely breaks the game, u cannot make a character better than that, unless they had a literal "win" button. Nerfing her will never be enough unless they just remove her power completely. I honestly think they just thought a teleporting killer will be cool and didn't realize how broken it'd be back then
@@Relevart9169 except its only broken in high tier by very skilled players, so its not some gamebreaking bullshit character, just get good and learn how to play against it lol but oh since we are bitching about a character that actually requires skill to be broken, lets talk about one that doesnt require skill to be broken, plague if you get infected, you get punished by being one hit and spreading the infection, or you cleanse and fuck yourself and everyone else by giving her a ranged attack if the community actually cared about broken characters then talk about plague and not a character that legitimately requires skill to play and use effectively
@@Relevart9169 but u know im very surprised high elo players always respond with "get better and learn how to play against it" when low elo complains about a broken champ, and yet they cant learn how to play against nurse themselves
@@Relevart9169 Nurse is only uncounterable and busted when she has 2 blinks or more, especially with addons. If she had 1 blink, she could be balanced because then that makes mindgaming her possible. She might also become much harder to play as a result so they would need to do something else to her kit.
In my experience, the main issue with killer is that you dont have all the core tools available to you through common and base killer teachable perks. Survivors get perks for chase, generators, information, altruism and stealth which all see frequent play but killers have far fewer options for each of their core gameplay features
I remember back in 2020 when I bought the game + among us DLC just because I wanted to play Legion. Then I realised that Joey and Susie could only be played by paying for the skin despite being shown in the DLC's trailer.
@@justmonika2345 For that part, I don't mind at all : I would have hate a disguise mechanic, while I really like Legion's FF. Darkness among us trailer show how FF works, but that same trailer show Susie and Joey so I tought they were part of it... But no, it's 20 more € if you want them !
@@justmonika2345 it was going to be a disguise mechanic, but BHVR switched it last second because they thought it would be really bad. At least, that's what I heard.
They could make the Shrine a lot better by allowing you to pick 1 killer perk and 1 survivor perk of your choice each week. This could allow someone to get a meta build for a favorite character in a few weeks at most, rather than a year or more of hoping and waiting for the RNG gods to put the perk(s) you need in the Shrine.
Meta perks don't make you good. If you can't down survivor most generator perks are useless. As for survivor... It's more of the same. DH is poopoo if you don't use it properly, lithe and balance landing are very situational, and sprint burst is only good when used properly.
@@Boby9333 you need gen pressure as a killer to have a chance at winning against decent players, it tough not having dlc killer perks, I believe that dlc perks help a lot but won't make you good, just gives you a better chance at getting more kills
@@Boby9333 true but if you are a f2p player and you are up against a 4 stack team and they all have meta perks and meta survivors you will struggle alot more then if you were ptw
@@azurefoxbh9280 Knowing how to play against meta perks is a skill. No perks will make you down a survivor if you're too hasty on basic attack and they have dh or do a field of view tech. Gen takes 10s more than they used to and kicking a gen does 5% that is huge compared to before. You can have all the aura reading perks as nurse or huntress, if you can't blink or aim hatchett you won't down people anyway. You can react to the vast majority of perks you see. You can bait dh, make survivor waste sprint burst etc. Also skins can and does have advantage. Smite is a very good example of that, many skins are ban from tournament because they give an advantage. Some skins in dbd are darker, which makes it easier to blend it (blendette rings a bell?) While others are very colorful. But them alone don't matter if you don't have the experience to hide well behind objects/know how to break line of sight. Go check the StarCraft 2 scene. People know the imbalance but will laugh at you if you complain about it before grand master/master/diamond because they know that the imbalance is likely not the cause of your defeat.
@@Boby9333 Ah yes, then why would all competitive killer use gen perk at all, let's just go perkless anyway if you upload you playing perkless again red survivor, you would get a million views , do it, just 1 match to see how fun this game is
I’ve never seen someone so passionate about this!! It’s so refreshing and MintSkull isn’t scared to hide that he’s pissed about this! BHVR needs to get their shit together
From a player of over 2 years having almost every dlc it doesnt seem so bad since i was buying it over the years , but now that you mention it it sounds overwhelming af Also i remember it was pretty fun to see how many possibilities i have at the start
You just definitely became one of my favorite dbd content creators. You clearly have a passion for the game and want it to be the best version of itself. Thanks for the video. Found it really enjoyable. I like these longer videos
Honestly this is so damn accurate as a relatively new player. I spent a decent sum of money to get most of the killers, and frankly it wasn't too bad for me because I'm a high school student with nothing to actually spend their money on aside from entertainment, but I can really see the problem with guaranteeing game changing perks through buying these characters, not to mention having to grind those characters out in order to use those perks on everyone-
Same bro. I can also consider myself as a relatively new player, because I joined during the 6th birthday of DBD (even tho I claimed it for free on Epic Games half year before). And as I was playing I really wanted to get Ghostface, and Blood Warden perk. Of course they both are licensed so I had to buy 500 auric cells for Ghostie and Freddy (they were both 50% off for auric cells at that time). I mained killer for a while but then I thought of playing survivor and oh god if I knew what I got into... I realised I only had unique and Meg perks and after watching some youtube videos I saw I lacked in many good beginner perks so I went and bought another 500 auric cells for Feng and Adam. And that was just a beggining. As soon as I discovered DLC's that let you buy both killer and survivor/only one of them for like $3/$2 I started buying those like crazy, Clown & Kate, Bubba, Mikaela, Resident Evil (1st one), Trickster & Yun-Jin, Pyramid Head & Cheryl, Legion & Jeff and I'm still down much of perks and characters which I can have. After all I decided to grind and it took really long but still I was able to buy only Plague, Doctor and Blight each for 4500 shards through my entire gaming experience with this game. And then I quit for almost 6 months. To sum up it all comes to me realising I can do shit if I don't spend money because this game is Pay 2 Win (at first, now it's more like pay to not lose time) and spend the money like a total dummy just to quit the game after 3 month of playing it and then coming back almost 6 months later.
Yeah I just started getting into the game and I wanted to try out some of the new killers, then I realized how long it would take to get even just one... lovely. And this is a game you have to pay for? Wtf. I remember when I was trying to figure it all out, I thought to myself "no... there's no way that all these good perks are things you basically have to pay for or grind an unholy amount in order to get. every other game I know has all the gameplay elements right away so it's just about skill. like, there's genuinely no way." Hahaha my naivete
I am considering uninstalling this game for the second time this month due to the grind that I will have to go through as someone who refuses to go with in-game purchases. Behaviour made an amazing and extremely fun game, it's a huge shame that 2/3rds of it are locked behind a horrible grind or 200 dollars. Unrelated to the topic, but something you definitely should put your money into is investment, like trading stocks or opening an investment bank account. There's always an inherent risk to lose that money, but if you do your research and put your money into a form of investment you're most comfortable with, you'll most likely earn a sizeable chunk back.
THIS IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING. I’ve said since like 2021 that Dead by Daylight is like a free to play game with how many characters there are that you have to buy or grind an incredibly long time, but you also have to pay for the base game.
I mean what do you expect. Half of the killers and survivors are licensed killers? The killers and survivors they design themselves can be unlocked by shards which are FREE. Ive unlocked countless characters with shards. The only problem is the licensed survivors and killers. Which in the end aren’t even that expensive. It’s like $5-10. Which is cheap.
@@MorpheusWasted AND? It was like $15.. If you don’t have extra money to spare on your hobbies then that sounds like a personal problem. Not a problem with the game. Most of the survivors best perks are on the base characters. A lot of the best killer perks are also on the base characters. The ones you don’t have you can buy as a pack for $30(the unlicensed killers or survivors). So you’re complaining about spending $45 on a game you enjoy. Get real. Y’all really need a reality check. Everything can’t always be free. They developing team needs to make money in order to keep the game alive and fund future projects.
the fact that dbd players will defend behaviors pay to win, or pay to unlock content practices is part of why i hate the dbd community. also the fact that this video has the potential to be 50 minutes is insane
Well done, Mint. You are probably the only person who has made a video in this with proper maths and without melting down and screaming. In my opinion, DBD’s monetisation is okay. The best killer is free with the game, and comes with decent perks. However, there needs to be some sort of way to get any perk. An idea would be that you can get any unlicensed perk for like, 3000 shards instantly. It should be free to play. They have a battle pass, and characters to purchase. I totally agree with what you said about survivors. It would be way cooler if survivors had their own powers. Like if Haddie could use her knowledge to see the auras of her other survivors every time she fights against the entity. Unfortunately, the perk problem simply cannot be fixed. The licenses likely wanted DBD to make their perks really good so that the licenses get more money. And they can’t make them available for free as they are licensed. Personally, I don’t see the point of getting annoyed over perks. Everyone wants the game to have a meta, despite it being a casual game, with no competitive features. I (personally, I’m not saying everyone else has to) only uses perks that make sense for the character of the killer or those I personally enjoy, like Nurse’s calling or Agitation. Also, no, I did not get the game for free. I got it for the base price of 30-40 pounds.
I am a new player (less than month) and the idea that I will never be able to play every killer or survivor licensed or unlicensed because of the sheer grind is really unfortunate. Even if I grind tf out of the game to get a meta build the meta could just switch. Ridiculous
Something which you could have also mentioned is the rift pass: Some of the rifts require you to play games with certain characters which is fine, however this also feels like a way to incentivize you to spend even more money since you have that uncleared challenge and /or you get a skin for the charackter in the Rift. Ofc, you could say that’s just „don’t buy the battle pass lmao“ but it’s still a realy consumer unfriendly practice
It's funny how I just accepted the shrine as a game mechanic and didn't think much of it but when you point it out in your video I realized just how unrealistic and unfair it is. Most frustrating to me as a F2P player though is that while nurse huntress etc. are all good a lot of fun killers like ghostie, Pyramid Head etc. are locked behind a paywall. Btw thanks for this video even though I really care since it won't change my situation, it's really nice to have people like you keeping BHVR in check and not just bombarding them with positivity to get on their good side.
Oh no the characters that BHVR has to pay license are only accessible if they make money paying for saidlicence? That is some outright bullshit scum of the earth corporate greed tactics. Down with behavior.
In DBD mobile you can actually get auric cells from daily and weekly rituals, which is pretty nice, but doesn't change the fact that it runs and performs terribly, is badly optimized, and is missing almost half the content the standard game has (Pinhead is the most recent killer there)
Behaviour should add free killers/survivor rotation weekly or monthly. just like in league of legends with free champion rotation AT LEAST. this way people can try out killers that they normally couldn't without buying the DLC and it actually incentivizes the players to maybe buy the killer/survivor if they enjoy it so it's actually even good for the bottom line of that company so I don't know why they don't just do that. And of course when the rotation ends the players get to keep the progression they made in the bloodweb
@@ashmaniacal Actually the PTB is simply allowed by steam. For example, on epic games you cant have a test server either while its on pc. In this case, lets be honest, that's a problem more on the console side probably
@@luisguess3885 That's why I prefaced it by saying 'at least' the fact they're not doing this at the least is despicable. They're using systems that are way worse than f2p systems. Things like: 80% content for killers is locked behind a paywall. and for survivors 80% of the perks are practically locked behind a paywall. (Shrine of secrets is a laughable negligible fix to this issue).
As someone who bought DBD on switch (1st mistake, but my pc can’t run this game) on sale, I really wanted to get better at this game since I thought it was so fun. I started watching content creators to see what they do and learn from them, but all the perks everyone runs change the game so much. As someone with not much money to spend on game transactions or time to grind things out, it’s really discouraging for me. Thank you for this video, it made me feel a bit seen :”)
I also play on Switch too. Got used to it eventually but I would love to see cross progression come to the game. I can understand there being an issue with licensing between platforms but everything else should be able to come to other consoles and PC without issue.
Perks don't change the game much, especially for survivor. On the hundreds of perks for survivor only a handful can have a big impact & many perks will make you learn bad habits which will make you struggle hard if you dont learn to play perkless. As for killer, yeah perks have a bigger impact but again, if you can't down people, how will gen perks help you exactly? If you suck at finding survivors, perkless, you will struggle regardless if you run meta perks or not. Learning killers ability and mastering them has a much bigger impact than any meta perks can have. A good Clown who used both bottle perfectly can 4k while breaking 1 or 2 pallets per match because with both combine you're fast enough / slow down survivor enough to make most "safe pallet" unsafe. But knowing where and when to drop your bottle doesn't matter if you can't mindgame at all.
I promise perks do not make you good, a lot of survivors struggled when the dead hard change happened. If you're playing killer it's about utilizing what you have, finding survivors, downing them, and protecting gens. The perks will just amplify the skill, not supplement it. Perks honestly only matter immensely at very high mmr. 1 thing I think he failed to mention, is that at a casual level, the you don't need the meta. Skill will beat perks
@@e9cj you can say it’s a dumb argument all you want it doesn’t change the fact that it proves the game is free to play and I never said the shrine was done well in fact I agree they need to fix the shrine and make it better
@@XeMeow because you don’t have to pay. You choose to pay your not forced to pay. You choose to try and run meta builds. You can get 4ks 3ks just fine without meta perks I do it all the time. You can escape without using meta builds and perks in fact you get a lot better at killer and survivor when you don’t rely on meta builds. If you want to pay to just use meta perks from killers and survivors then that’s your choice but if you want to get better and and you really love the game then you can get the same perks just from grinding. Most dbd content creators that have thousands of hours could have gotten those same perks from grinding and being free to play but their viewers want to see the new killers and survivors which is why in my opinion is why they pay for them and plus they don’t mind paying for them because they get their money back. 😄
As someone who recently got back into this game after a few years of not playing this affects me too. Nowhere near to the extent that it would affect a new player but I can still feel the mountain of content that I have to grind out in order to obtain everything. So to everyone thinking that it will never affect you I hope you never take a break from the game for too long or you'll be in the exact position that a new player will be in
Same here honestly. As much as I love the game it's easy to miss how much is put behind a paywall until you leave the game for several chapters and come back. I wish they could make some older chapters either heavily discounted or free
Ik you guys are saying “as bad as a new player” but I literally have a total of 11 characters between killer and survivor, played for 3 days straight and I’m not even half way to unlocking my First character… why tf is this game not free to play?
yea i switched to pc and of course they dont have cross progression so all of my grind on console from 2017 to 2020/2021 is gone. I had to start completely from scratch and its honestly so annoying i really dont want to spend money on this game just to get to my starting point. thank god the killers i like to play are original characters but that just means i have to do so much more grinding
I dont feel that the grind is worst then 2018. Unlocking perks you want is faster then ever. Huge point I have to say, why would you want to unlock every perk when only 50% of them are viable/fun. Seems like a waste of time to me. Also there is no RNG in DBD when it comes to buying characters for certain perks. You kno what your ganna get. So its not like an actual grind that some people have complained about. Compared to other games I played, We DBD players have it made. And I appreciate behavior giving us so many ongoing bonuses. The argument to the slight "grind" is non existant IMO. Say you can't unlock everything, when you'll never use everything or even 50% of what you unlocked. You can easily select what killers or survivors you want. Lv the character to 50 (which I can do in 1 day easy) and every character has the 3 teachables. I can unlock most the builds I play in less then 3 weeks with a new account.
Incredible. I’m impressed you can find an hour worth of talking points without being Otz or this being a ‘random clips compilation.’ I’m motivated and and getting to writing. What an investment of effort that NOBODY asked for be we needed. A true reminder that not all hero’s wear capes. Thank you for your due diligence and empathy for the player base. I’m also trying to bring support to players. Bravo, Dude.
@@nairbdelrey1561 I thought so too at fiest. But when i asked myself 'Why' and had no reason other than his accent (which i think i was reaching) he's a pleasant dude.
@@PremiumSaltProviderSalineSodiu the accent is no bother since My first language is Spanish too but just something about him. Idk . He still gives good dbd advice tho.
hey guys this is otz however theres no physical proof that it is ive come here with a short video for you guys- 8months long video why bald shirtless david is handsome and needs nerf
I'm so tired of people thinking BHVR is a small uwu 🥺 indie company who needs the money desperately to continue operating. This game has corners being cut on its quality, but the prices for us are mounting. Thank you for this video.
They are a small Indi company. They just struck gold with this one game and it's made them tens of millions. They still have the skills and leadership of an indi company. I'm a game developer, still relatively new (2 years professionally) and I still make many rookie mistakes. But I never had millions of dollars at my disposal and I can still tell that these are the exact same mistakes being made by BHVR! They make mistakes that I learned not to years ago. They've been making this game for 6 years and still don't even know their own gameplay loop.
@@Sun-Tzu- They WERE an indie company. They are no longer and there's no excuse for what they're doing, nor should anyone be defending them as if they still are a tiny company.
As a killer main I'm not afraid of losing, more afraid of the fact that to change resolution from 720p and unlock 60-120 fps you need to change game files by yourself... It gives me doom vibes when to know the plot you need to read txt file🙈
I waited for decisive strike to show up in the shrine. At some point it probably did but I wasn’t playing at the time. However it took me 3-4 years to see it and by that point it was well past its expiration and was changed.
I'm fine with the Killers being behind a paywall. The perks however, need to be available in the bloodweb once the characters are available in game. Get rid of the shrine, it rarely has anything worth the shards. RNG is already bad enough, but requiring P1 to get a TIER 1 perk is just awful. Also, remove perk Tiers.
i remember the first year i spent playing this game i grinded literally everyday for hours and now i’m lucky enough to have all my perks t3 on everyone, i also bought dlc and it was still such a horrendous grind i can’t even begin to know what f2p players go through
@@Monkeyman-qt1smwhich would be fine if it didn't take on average 35h to farm enough Iri shards for 1 character, and then you need to prestige them at least 3 times for the perks anyway.
@@Wolvahulk tbf if you like a game you would grind it anyways. Don't act like you haven't grinded the shit out of a game and didn't pay money on the SAME game you grinded. Everyone has done it. If the game wasn't fun, people wouldn't spend money on it, simple as that.
@@vibratthe3rd885 True and I do grind tome challenges, the thing is that I bought all of the licensed DLC and even got a couple non-licensed DLC mainly to farm more tome challenges to get the tome done faster. Realistically I don't regret that decision because I have all the characters and a bunch of Iri shards left for the next chapter these days, and I've put in nearly 1000h into the game and I can see myself putting in a lot more. The thing is that I did in fact pay for the DLC to be able to grind more, the average person will want to at least get most of the licensed chapters.
The story about Trapper was literally my story as newcomer. It was big luck I had "Save best for last" and "Corrupt Intervention" in shrine of secrets (it took ~1,5 year to have both). Also I bought a Trickster in his chapter with discount. And I needed the last piece of puzzle - "deadlock". I waited for him so long (I didn't knew he never appeared, and maybe never will). I have it only on this anniversary. It took me 2 years to finally complete this build. During this time, I just decided to not play as Trapper and bought a Hag. Also, I have theory, that start killers (Trapper, Wraith, Hillbilly) is weak, to make new players buy other killers. Also, there's Nurse which is painful to play, for new players, that makes them play other killers (but, if you learnt how to play as Nurse, her gameplay become boring, because it's to easy to destroy as her. But other start killers is weak, so they need to buy a new ones
Isn't Huntress a free killer? I might be mistaken but I don't remember getting her for shards. She's pretty decent, definitely stronger than Trapper, Billy and Wraith. Obviously harder than Trapper and Wraith (Billy is harder imo). Weaker than Nurse yeah but also easier than her. Overall she's a good killer imo. Still you are absolutely right about the perk system in the game. I remember it was so difficult to get a good build going for other killers. Grinding for non-licensed characters is also a chore (take about 35h per character on average). It was even worse before the reduced BP/Prestige grind.
@@Wolvahulk yes, huntress is free for newcomers, I forgot about her when I wrote this After thinking about this theory more, making free killers weak to force people buy new killers have no point anyway
@justgreen2622 it's actually pretty common for mobile games to give you weak garbage and generously offer you the ability to purchase stronger characters. In this case, I do think there's merit to this idea. Huntress and Nurse are both very hard to play, and Trapper, Wraith and Hillbilly suck. But then you hear about how good Blight, and Wesker and all these other Killers are but you also need to play as characters like Clown and Myers to get their good perks to go on them, so you better open your wallet BUT WAIT you want to look cool, right? Well, we've got a time expiring Battle Pass and also shop skins with FOMO tactics where some skins filter in and out and you can ONLY buy them using our in-game currency so you have you buy more than you need... It all kinda sucks.
He is paid by behavior, I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t go well as he is a fog whisperer, but you know, he might say something, which he probably already has
@@musiciseverything9521 If you watch some of his videos/streams you'll see that he does agree that its kinda bad that characters are locked behind a paywall..
im a returning player from around 2017-18, i was a total survivor main back in the day, so i decided to try killer after buying the game again on steam. seeing all the perks i could use behind a paywall really sucked, i ended up buying artist and sadako just so i could run a good build, i havent even thought about changing it because i dont wanna spend anymore money this video really hits hard for a returning player and seeing how grindy it is
Imagine how much better this game would be if this game's monetization system was decent: Anyone could install the game and play any Survivor or any Killer with any build, and if they so decided they could buy a skin or the battlepass. Except odds are this will never happen as Behaviour is doubling down on this terrible monetization with the recent time gated cosmectics.
Then you would need to hard pivot away from developing new content to focusing mostly only on cosmetics. You want new maps, new killers, new perks, then you need to pay for them. It's just silly to call anything not free pay to win.
@@lastwayyt Horror is a niche genre. BR's have far, far, far, wider appeal. Which means far more people paying for skins and dances, ect. You can't really compare DBD and its limited market to that of Fortnite.
@@arkainin4638 I see your point, it'd be hard to predict how much monetization they would need to keep themselves up. And also what impact this more consumer friendly monetization would have on the player base. But I think it's fair to say they could tone it down and do just as well if not possibly better since consumer friendly practices attract players.
I got the game gifted to me and I usually don't spend money on games. I am also a killer main and have only gotten about 30 hours in the game. Some of the stuff I see in this video as someone who started recently is extremely accurate. The grind for a single character is crazy, and I come from a MMO background.
It's also worth to mention how DBD uses Dark Patterns which is a concept of bringing the customer to do something wether it is to play or to spend money. The rift engages the fear of missing out. You pay for the Premium track and basically are forced to play a certain amount to get your moneys worth and not miss out on skins. Thank you for bringing light to this. They need to definetlx be called out for their.... Behavior lmao
@@pawncube6787 But then it's the same issue, you fear missing out so you max it out. Then because it's already done you feel incentive to pay for the rest.
They made their battle pass so unrewarding.. They make players believe that they're getting limited cosmetics and items hence bring in the fear of missing out, then release the exact cosmetics into the store a few months - years later. Makes it feel like the only limited time rewards you're getting are a bunch of crappy charms that you'll never even use... If it weren't for bhvr giving players multiple outfits for basically the price of one, nobody would even buy the rift.
When you max out the Rift you get 1000 Auric cells. The Rift costs 1000 Auric cells. So If you max it out before buying, you only need to buy the cells a single time. Then you can get Always a Premium Pass, using the Same 1000 auric cells over and over again.
THANK YOU. Cosmetic pricing makes no sense to me. Why is almost everything “very rare” 😭 I think non-licensed characters’ cosmetics need to be much cheaper. Cosmetics are just way over priced for a non-F2P and it’s so annoying because cosmetics are so fun, I love mix-matching pieces lol.
I think a really cool alternative to the shrine could be this. You have access to any and all perks in the game, killers and survivors. Each perk costs a fixed price, maybe 500 shards but fir every perk you buy the next one gets more expensive maybe by 200-500, until you get to what is now the price of 2000 and you could have the option of using Auric Cells as an alternative payment method, maybe 50-100 cells for a perk
When I started playing this game 2 years ago I had a lot of fun, but it was shocking to me how slow the progression was. In the old system I racked up 700hrs and had ONLY 1 character on prestige 3 and got 80% of killers to lvl40 so I could use their perks. I only got 10% of survivors to lvl40 and I gave up after that and bought myself an unlockall account because that is 10x more viable than the current progression
This is a very very ballsy video of you to make and I love how truthful you were about it. Everything you talked about were spot on and I have had to deal with this exact stuff, I started playing December of 2021 and felt like I was forced to buy the killers (although I got them all heavily discounted due to PSN sales) but it’s still really annoying to spend money on the game and then spend even more to have a chance at winning. It would be nice if the SoS would update more often or it could have bonus slots with Perks for characters you don’t own or something along those lines. Or if they made all perks available at the shrine but they would discount 4/6 at a time so you could always get what perks you want.
I personally don't think you need to spend money to win, good players aren't winning because the perks, they are winning because they have the experience
@@matthewking7571 You don't need to spend money to win, that's true, but if you want a competitive advantage (Or even just to have fun running meme builds) then you most likely will need to pay for the DLC(s) that house those perks unless you want to grind. Money doesn't mean winning, but it does mean less of a time gate on fun.
Don’t forget the inverse example. BHVR is not allowed to make money off of Bill per the license. So he has almost zero cosmetics and are making his best perks (borrowed time, unbreakable) base kit going forward.
As someone who played early on from year 1 to early in the 4th year of DBD and had all the content. I then recently came back after almost 3 years of inactivity, I now understand how bad the monetization system is, thankfully I don't play killer and have 1/3 of all the survivors so I have a good amount of perks to play with. But, I would never pick up this game if I was a new player, and if I didn't remember how to loop, know how to find gens, etc. The game would just not be fun at all. And because I don't want to put anymore money into the game so I can't play any new killers or new survivor perks without grinding for countless hours which some don't have the time to do.
I can understand paying for the character because BHVR are paying other company's to use their likeness, they need to recoup costs somehow. But the perks is where I feel things are unfair. There should be a better way to get all the perks for free. I don't know how you'd do it without making things unfair on either side or them losing out themselves (they are still a business after all), but how they're doing it currently is clearly upsetting people.
@@pegeta ...I have all the DLC because I do have a well paying job. Some people don't, however, and if your view is "get a better job" then my god are you a privileged individual. Stay ignorant man
they could probably add another perk level with a set of small bonuses if you play the character these perks came with like SBFL on Myers or Discordance on Legion i'm pretty sure they could figure something out if they really wanted people to buy licensed killers but paywall that hurts newcomers is a lot simpler, of course
Damn at first I didn't really agree with the words "pay to win" but with you explaining it I completely agree. I also agree with the cosmetics being overpriced. I pretty much agree with everything they should definitely rework the shrine.
No, they didn't explain anything They continued to whine about a non-issue for the longest time to the point where you were like Well maybe they have a point, they never had a point there was never any point to this video other than to stir up drama.
@@Plsrateeighti may agree with the characters because thats basically what any online game does but the perk system is really bad and u should b available to buy ANY perks ANY time you want with shards
@@insomniasessions5347 oh no the edge Lord used an old joke because he doesn't have an original thought in his little pea brained daddy taint sucking head.
Completely agree with you, it's ridiculous. I have most of the Killers and about half the Survivors unlocked (I paid for them) and I did the math, to unlock my remaining characters I'd need to spend almost $70. And that's my cheapest option.
For those who don't know this game allows DLC family sharing, so for example if your friend whose family shared with you bought a DLC the DLC applies to you as well.
I think some good changes to help with this problem would be to make shrine of secrets actually do something (make it like 10 killer and 10 survivor perks every week) and reduce the grind for shards by half or so. I don't think this would fix everything, but i think it could very much help.
You know I really was trying to play this game more and more , but I kept losing a lot and wondering how to killer kept finding me , doing research , noticed there’s tons of killer perks that show survivor auras , and guess the one perk that blocks aura reveal , distortion , and i have to “buy” this dlc in order to be safe, that’s pay to win , because the killer “bought” the good aura reveal perks ‘ pay to win ‘
Great video. Even the "free to play" players aren't actually Free to play, they've PAID FOR THE GAME Edit: You did say the above later in the video. You're clearly passionate about the game and you're also right
Fun fact: in dbd mobile (f2p btw) you can grind the auric cells. In addition , in recent years, you could get a some ultra rare skins in mystery boxes (which cost 20k-50k BLOODPOINTS)
You’re the goat bro. I agree and love everything you said! Hope this video blows up. More content creators need to acknowledge this. This is a HUGE problem. Especially timegated cosmetics and locking beginner perks behind licenses
@@Jay_Johandsome actually I did watch the entire video and no he’s not right. Pay to win definition is paying to get a advantage over everyone else. If you’re going to sit there and tell me a brand new player to the game bought everything that they would have a advantage over even people who have played this game longer then you’re being disingenuous because that is not true. You don’t need to have all the meta perks to win I don’t have all the meta perks and i don’t use all the meta perks and I still have beaten survivors that have nothing but meta perks so no it’s not BS that the game is pay to win if that’s how you want to see it then by all means see it like that but the truth is because most people choose not to buy the characters and can’t use all the perks they want then it means it’s pay to win when it’s obviously not true especially since you can get the killers and survivors for free. If you don’t want to grind it out that’s a you problem but you can’t sit there and say it’s not free to play because people are too lazy to grind and I don’t want to hear not everyone has that time to grind because neither do I and guess what I still grind the game and I’m still able to get the people I want because I grind. You want to grind like those people then start a UA-cam channel or twitch and play the game and you’ll be able to get all the perks you want for free. Simple solution.
@@WWMK05 1. it costs me 30€ upfront, it’s pay to play. 2.I can and should (probably) expect free content like all the f-ing none-licensed killers, Hag,Huntress and nurse were free and they managed to still have enough money for like 3 licenses after that in a row. This is also backed by the cosmetics costing half the price off the original game and everyone and their mother owning a cosmetic set. 3.Saying you can win without meta perks is so meaningless, because I damn well know you actually have A:not really payed attention to the video and B: not actually dellt with killer with only base perks(unless you are a mindless nurse just slugging game to game) I play trapper the arguably weakest killer in all of DBD who is gonna get stomped by any half competent team when he’s without info+regress perks(wich I don’t have except tinkerer). How dare you even try and say I would stand chance I’m high MMR without considerably much much and I mean a LOT more effort then people who have good perks!? Isn’t that pay to win when you have a very noticeable advantage with something as simple as a transaction??? 4.Bro, in the Video he showed how long you have to grind for stuff that C A N be unlocked with shards, that you have no life and school/work till 1:30 PM and nothing after that isn’t my fault, I have school till 3:50-4:00PM, I have something called A LIFE AFTER WORK/SCHOOL ACTIVITIES, I also don’t force myself to play when I don’t want too and any reasonable person does aswell. No sane person gets 3500+ hours (pure gameplay) to unlock the halfhearted BS killers and "female surv NR.#34" that are unlockable now, in 2 months we have another one, that’s like 17000 more sharts for killer and survivor just like that, and that forever going. Imagine trying to actually make up that distance by playing normally as a new player, it’s impossible
@@Jay_Johandsome 1. Everyone had to pay to play the game so I don't see how that is relevant to the argument at hand. 2.You can do whatever you want but expecting free content is asinine. Just because you buy a game doesn't mean you don't have to pay for dlc which is where the probably comes in but considering they gave the nurse for free. You got what you wanted. You got free dlc which they didn't have to do. Who cares about cosmetics. How does having different attire give you an edge over someone wearing the default attires. 3.First off how is it meaningless when that's the point of being free to play. Again I did watch the whole video and second considering I'm a killer main I think I would know and yes you can beat survivors with meta perks and I've done it without slugging. I play the pig who also down there as a trash killer with no good perks and again yes you can still win against survivors that have meta perks. Well yes at high MMR you're gonna have to work for it. It's not supposed to easy. Yes if it was noticeable but it's not. Are you gonna lose some games yes but if you got to a high MMR without meta perks then no it's not gonna be a noticeable because you got the skills and no matter how meta a build that they have if they don't have as much skill as you then they lose. 4. He said it would take 735 hours to grind everything and here is a flaw. You're not going to use all the perks so using 735 hours as what it would take is again disingenuous. You going for a meta build which is four perks which takes 140 hours, which granted yes is a lot of hours you're not paying money to get it and your can also use the shrine. Granted the shrine is terribly made you can again still get it for free, which again is free to play. Yes most people have a lives still doesn't prove its not free to play. In fact it proves even more that it's free to play. Easy solution stop trying to catch up and just play your way. Like I said if you don't want to grind then pay if you don't care for the grind then grind but it doesn't change the fact that its free to play.
I saw someone call vhs pay to win because of a character... a character that you could technically buy with ingame currency (I say technically because the grind for it INSANE) It was on otz' stream.. a dbd stream.. a game where you HAVE to pay real money for at least 40% of the characters
Yeah, I thought of getting into this game till I went on steam and saw that the packages with heroes and killers was like a good 500 bucks all combined. It doesn't even have value alone since the best "perks" are locked behind paid content so I'd have to buy those killers and survivors just to be able to play effectively and thats more than the game itself.
Fun fact: You probably saw that there is a 30 dollars pack for survivors and killers each. Well, they don't unlock characters up to a certain point. So in a year, this pack won't even give you all the unlicensed characters there are, like Mikaela or Vittorio or The Knight 😂
I'd say the game is more pay to compete rather than pay to win but I guess it's determined by how you, personally, define pay to win. I remember when I first started playing one of my first thoughts was "this game looks like a F2P game with how you get characters and how slow it is." I'm glad you brought up the strength difference between a F2P survivor and a F2P killer.
My definition of pay 2 win is any of the definitions that appear when you search the term “pay 2 win”, but I understand that a lot of people are set on: “Game where you can pay to win” like having the hatch spawn when you pay 1 dollar or stuff like that
@@MintSkull You've expanded your definition of P2W to basically be all live service games. You can work a definition to fit the answer you want, and you've done so. You've done so to create the most drama and clicks. And, it worked. I'm feeding the ALGO by commenting this. Makes you kind of a hack though.
@@arkainin4638 My definition of Pay 2 Win is anything that alters the gameplay that is locked behind a paywall. In this game, this is the case. Now with the new patch, The Nurse's only good perks are currently paywalled. I don't get why you are wasting so much of your precious time commenting on every single reply as if it's going to change my mind about how the game fits the definition of pay 2 win. And my definition of pay 2 win is not personal to myself, it's literally the first definition you get when you search for it on the internet. Yes, as long as in any live service game there is something locked behind a paywall, that game features a pay 2 win type of monetization. If your only counter argument to me is "you don't need it to win", well that does not disprove the fact that paying gives you an advantage. You don't need the advantage to win, does that make it any less of an advantage?
@@MintSkull By that definition literally any game that comes out with post-release content for pay is pay to win. No reasonable person would use this vague definition. It lets you basically make any claim toward it to make click drama. I'll assume you mean any content that is paywalled that provides some benefit instead. To which I would respond that paid content provides game play changes, not strictly benefit - as the game is quite playable and winnable at almost all levels of play without chapter perks. And, these perks are earnable in game, which makes it not pay to win, but pay to skip grind. Which I can see that being a valid criticism, but that's not how you approached this. I've not looked at the new Nurse content yet. Can't comment. I will be annoyed if they locked new perks for an existing character behind a paywall. I'm commenting because it entertains me to do so, I like debate, and I fundamentally disagree with your stance and the stance of many here. I also think you are trying very hard to logically find your way to the dreaded P2W word to make nice click bate and drama content. Which is annoying to me. Not sure why a viewer engaging with your content should bother you? I thought that was the point, unless you simply want comments that agree with you. Look, if you want to make the argument that all live services game are pay to win, then you can have that stance, but it's very broad and lacks any form of nuance or actual examination of monetization structures. That is like me saying all jobs, no matter the content or value given or if you like them or not are bad because capitalism made you need to have them and I don't think capitalism is good. I might be technically true based on my belief, but it adds nothing to the conversation and is basically just click bait. And yes, if you do not need something to win, with basically the same effort given into it, then that's not an advantage. That's just a different strategy of play. I also think the context how how you framed this matters. You came at this in a highly negative and victim claiming stance with your comments about expecting to be attacked for the video. It shows that you are wrapped up in the drama of the issue, or are at least very bias.
I'm only now trying to get into DBD but as much as I enjoy the game so far the game's perk system and its way of unlocking perks genuinely frustrates me to the point that I'm finding it difficult to keep on playing it
i think that all the perks should be available to unlock with ingame currency at anytime, so that the survivors are only cosmetic. this would also help killers get their meta build a bit easier with just grinding without buying a killer they dont care about.
There are so many killer/survivors in this game now, I think the best way to go would be to either make the game free to play or make more unlocked in the base game or even combine both options and have the shrine let you buy any perk at any given time. Most likely will have to buy each tier but that would still be a better jump. Also I always wanna buy a cosmetic but can never justify the price in my head 😅
@@Wolvahulkyeah but then you’d have people who paid for it whining like when csgo was made f2p maybe if they gave people who bought it extra currency or cosmetics or smth i’m all for it going f2p but they won’t because they know people would be pissed
An addition to the baffling thing that is the shrine mechanics: If there's a new tome level releasing, two perks in the shrine will always be the ones needed for the challenges in the new level. meaning the random perks are even lower in chance. EDIT: Also, there would be good ways to make money out of cosmetics: Cosmetic packs, like they had back in the day, like the 80's suitcase or the Bloodstained Sack. They could have these packs for rift recolours, releasing alongside the rift (as in a pack with recolours (plural) for a new rift cosmetic, with one or two version only on the rift), in general have recolour packs for stuff they have in the store (imagine e.g. the outfits from the Cats&Dogs collection in different colours/patterns etc). They are already stuffing the rifts with recolours, so they might as well do something that makes a little more sense to me.
My god, I forgot about the cosmetic packs back in 2016! Yeah they are absolutely fantastic and I bought them day 1 even if I didn't need them! But, since people pay 10 dollars for outfits nowadays, and people DEFEND this by ridiculing and calling others entitled... well... there is no reason going back, is there?
@@MintSkull sadly yeah. but equally sadly I know a ton of people (myself included) that would ab-so-lute-ly buy recolour packs. Take for example the cats&dogs sweater for claudette: I would LOVE to have that in pink or light blue with white dots.
The easiest way to fix it is just make it so you gain more shards tbh. They can never make the licenced content unlockable for free because its in the contracts but all the proprietary characters take WAY too long to unlock.
Amazing video, I cannot imagine the time this has taken to be put together and I seriously respect you for it! I'm certain that in the future you're going to be one of the top content creators for dbd at this rate
Man this is imo your best video yet, giving facts, I've been thinking about this for a while and you've given so much hard evidence, I hope you get the recognition you deserve for it, 👍well done lad
I completely agree with your points, that's why I prefer to use third party websites to buy dlcs at a much much lower price. I also think that survivors shouldn't cost the same as killers, because unlike survivors, killers have gameplays that are unique to each of them. This has led me to be sort of reluctant when it comes to playing or buying survivors.
I've been feeling this a lot, i'm a new player and don't have the means to be buying the DLC, i'm trying to keep positive and keep the grind fun, but i've already got 2 killers on Prestige 3 and am only halfway there to buy a new killer for 9k shards, it's an awful system, i feel like i'm behind on everyone just bcuz I'm new, and then even more becuz i can't even do decent builds cuz i'm missing more than half the perks... it's really discouraging to play this game when you realize how much u need to grind to get something meaningfull
I hear you man. I'm returning after a long ass time. I walk in. Look at the wall of killers. How do I buy a new one? Oh. Pay up or grind a fuck ton. Sorry I have like maybe 2 hours every other day. No dice.
It honestly sucks. Before I started working I never unlocked anything. One month I bought 50 dollars of cells and bought every character. Now I spend 5 or 10 dollars every 3 months to keep up with the game. I got the game on game pass so I didn't spend 60 dollars on it but if I did I would be at probably 200 dollars invested in game. I love dbd. It's the game I play the most. The devs are definitely scummy and the game is hardly balanced. Unless you think you can keep playing this game for hundreds and thousands of hours, don't buy anything. It's not fair and not worth it.
I remember having like 20 hours into the game, looking at the shrine and once I figured out how it worked I thought "well ain't this a scam". Never opened the shrine page ever again in 1.4k hours
REMINDER: Behaviour is a multi million, successful company. They don't need you to white knight them in the comment section, nor they care about you besides as a costumer. So please, if you want to discuss a point or you disagree with anything I said in this video, I accept that as long as you don't disrespect me or anyone else.
The maths behind this video can be found in the description. The number in the thumbnail is the combination of both grinding for all characters, and grinding for all licensed perks. In other words, this is the number behind the phrase: "You can grind for almost everything in the game just by playing" which by the way is impossible with the current Shrine of Secrets.
The game is not strictly Pay 2 Win. I never said as long as you don't have deadlock, you cannot win. I say that Deadlock is a competitive advantage over someone that doesn't have it. If you can win with free perks in high MMR, become a streamer and show the world how good you are and how you don't need Meta perks like Eruption, Call of Brine or Reassurance like the competitive players do.
I don't care that this is a "casual" game. Fortnite is a casual game and there are no gameplay elements locked behind a paywall. In this game, there are. Maybe you can't grind for Ghostface for free, but that doesn't matter because you have The Nurse. But you cannot get The Nurse with Lethal Pursuer, and that is my problem.
Considering the fact that the game has a battle pass, a DLC every three months, plenty of paywalled licensed characters AND PAYWALLED PERKS THAT ALTER THE GAMEPLAY AND ARE META, what is the excuse for having overpriced cosmetics in a PAID game?
Even if the cost to unlock Deadlock was 1 dollar, that doesn't remove the fact that the game is built on Pay 2 Win monetization schemes. Combine this with my past video about limited time cosmetics, and we have a game preying on two scummy monetization tactics.
The game IS UNFAIR for new players. The game IS UNFAIR to casuals. Even if you don't care, it doesn't remove that fact. Yeah the game can be fun without paying, Clash Royale is too. Watching paint dry is also fun with friends.
If you still defend Behaviour even after admitting all of this... I wish you the best on earning that brilliant Fog Whisperer status!
The game is pay to own and while good perks are hidden behind a grind / pay wall if you had to buy one DLC a month it would equate to the same as games with subscription models where everything is free with the subscription maybe that could be another option. The majority of players that have all DLC as you stated buy it as they are released every 3-6 months (Licenced) so you could essentially catch up to everyone after a year most MMOs have that type of grind for new players and have subscriptions to speed up that grind which I would again equate to DBDs monitization model. So yes if you play it for free after the initial purchase you won't get the full experience without spending more money.
@@RemOmni Yep, a lot of people are paying this game as a subscription, which is fair for anyone that has played for years. For new players, just like you said, is really unfair!
@@MintSkull sadly i do think you gotta spend 735 hours anyway for bloodpoints idk. maybe not really sure about that one
Already watched paint dry with friends, can confirm /s
easy fix? every player can choose personal perks to appear in the shrine at least 1 / week so your guaranteed to have the perk you want the most each week
I honestly didn't realize how much of a problem monetization is in Dead by Daylight. Thanks for explaining it to us
It depends on the view. For players like me who started playing years ago, the monetization is fantastic! For new players, the game's monetization is absolute trash. I cannot convince anyone to play DBD anymore and it's easy to say "You don't need it" when you have the luxury of having them!
How? Skins are expensive AF.
@@Clown_the_Clown skins dont change gameplay
@@yokingboii and? The monetization on them is still an issue. They're basically priced so you'd have to play 24/7 to get them, thus basically forcing people into buying them if they want them.
@@yokingboii They do. You either are more visible or less visible.
FINALLY I found someone pointing out the free to play practices in a game people pay for. Anytime I brought this up with friends I was called crazy
Anyone who isn't disgusted by Behaviors business practice for dead by daylight needs to rethink their understanding of marketing and businesses in general.
Not to mention anyone who defends this kind of practice just needs to rethink their entire life because clearly they are horrible with money and the understanding of what a SCAM is.
Dead by Daylight is a PAYED game that acts so close to a gacha game. The only difference is you get what you pay for instead of needing to blow hundreds for a chance to get something.
Most free to play games if not gacha lock ONLY cosmetics behind pay walls. Dead by daylight is absurd and disgusting with it's business practices. Unfortunately there is nothing people can do about it.
@@raurisaurus5057 or... you can just not pay them? they stick with the business model because people are paying, but personal action can be taken, just dont "buy in" or dont play the game at all, hit em where it hurts, their stats and their pocket book
@@jamesw8698 Here's a crazy idea: I haven't payed them, yet it's still perfectly okay to point out Scammy business methods that shouldn't be a thing.
Also it's very easy to practice horrible business methods in the video game industry because when you create a game that many people like, you can monopolize off of it. Other companies who create games like it usually don't do well and it makes people come back to the original one that tends to also practice scummy business methods.
Dead by daylight has no competition. Therefore they get away with monopolization.
The argument "or you just don't pay them" is usually irrelevant in almost every case. That's like watching someone murder someone in front of you and going "Just don't take that street and you won't be murdered". You don't need to partake in something to point out it's bullshit.
@@raurisaurus5057 there are multiple games, a symmetrical horror themed, kinda like dbd, and hell bhvr tried making a different game that was still 1 hunter 4 or 5 runners but that one quickly got shut down the moment they turned it into basically another dbd, it was more fun when the runners could defend themselves more easily against the hunter
as for the other games, there was Last Year, VHS, Identity V (though Identity V is worse than dbd in both monetization and encouraging killers to camp/tunnel) although it was a mobile game to start, but you can play it on pc as well and its free so
and how is "just dont pay them" not a good argument? what happens if NO ONE pays them? they immediately have to change their business model because they immediately go into the red, they have to pay their staff, correct? and they want to make a profit correct? which is why they keep pushing out the rifts, auric cell only cosmetics, and DLCs every 3 months even though we still have issues like 1 side of a gen not working, perks being bugged, killers themselves being bugged, but not kill switched because its the new DLC killer and wouldnt want to make it so people dont buy the DLC would we? especially after already killswitching the new map when the dlc dropped because they couldnt be bothered to test and see if all the pallets spawned properly there was a PTB and im guessing they did something after that that fucked everything on that map an they let it go live without testing it, whats the point of a PTB if once they make other changes if messes things up anyway? its pure incompetence on their end, no one should be giving them money
@@jamesw8698 So you agree no one should be giving them money, but what you aren't seeing is that the argument "just don't pay them" when someone is complaining about how they do scummy business scams is a flawed argument.
If one person doesn't pay them it doesn't change anything. You'd have to change the mindset of millions of players which isnt easy and is highly unlikely due to how uncontested DBD is. Every game you mentioned has its ups and downs but none have gotten close enough to be popular enough competition with DBD to force it to have better business models.
If you've ever played genshin you would understand how it works. Having an uncontested game allows a company to monopolize the genre and they can make millions of mistakes, but as long as the game is playable and fun and doesn't feel clunky people will buy into it.
I'm surprised VHS hasn't ran DBD into the ground, but I'm hoping it will soon get much more monetization and exposure.
The issue is that behavior won't change their business model because there is no reason to, and people have tried to copy them. Even their other game failed. DBD for some reason has a choke hold on people and we have yet to see anything come close to forcing behavior to step up their game in terms of satisfying their playerbase.
The only hope we currently have is that people get fed up with dbd's meta and quit, and even then I don't want to see people quitting. I want to see behavior either making more characters free and giving people access to the content they pay for, or making the game free to play and giving all the people who've payed for it access to more killers and survivors. (And even then a free to play game that monetizes gameplay is horrendously problematic). Especially when cosmetics are overpriced and so are the characters.
Fun fact: On dbd mobile, there is no shrine of secrets. In order to get a dlc character for free, you have to unlock them using the challenge system. Every week there is a new challenge that rewards 5 auric cells. The said challenge usually takes 2-3 games to complete. This means that you have to wait 100 weeks and play 2-3 games per week to get a dlc character. That is a little less than 2 years of grinding.😮
Not only every week. A pack of daily challenges always contains one rewarded by auric cells
Well at least there’s the free tickets… oh what’s that? It doesn’t work for dlc killers? Well great
i hacked my dbd mobile account so i can get free auric cells
@@uggupuggu how did it go?
You can watch ads and if you get super giga ni.... Luck you can get one in 10 minutes
I feel like it would make a huuuuge difference if you built up shards faster or it cost way fewer shards to unlock things. I also think you should be able to use shards to get the "bundle" of perks from each licensed character whenever you want, not just through the shrine. That way it'd still be possible to at least earn the perks while the actual licensed character is still paid.
I actually like this idea
From now after this month the prices of characters on their own will be cut in half or something near that point
This aged really good considering they announced the price drops on shards for non licensed characters. still wish they would put an amount of shards on the licensed character tho but I guess they gotta make their money somehow.
Nobody would buy the characters
but the problem is most of their skins for characters is like 10 us dollars for an outfit.
You're probably going to get attacked for this video but man you're doing the community a huge favour, people like you are what keeps it alive
Yeah this opinion is not popular at all in the dbd community. Everyone that says what I said gets ridiculed, and I expect that to happen as well
yea...true , now is way easier to get bp and unlock prestige levels...if you have the killer is easy but it's hard to obtain it
i want sadako perks but shes so trashhh
tho it's not rly expensive , for example now it's christmas sale , legit you can buy almost any dlcs (except the last 2 ones) with 2-3 euros i don't think it's a lot 2,5 euros for 1 killer and 1 survivor
@@MintSkull what option is in the toxic community that is DBD
Fun fact, if you ask non-dbd players, THIS is the reason most of them don't want to play the game, they only see a EA-like experience where most of the good stuff is behind DLC's and extra content you need to grind for.
I really enjoyed DBD when I started playing, but I stopped playing once I realized how much of a money sink it was going to be. I really liked the idea of trying out new builds, but I got disheartened when I did the math and found out it would take me hundreds of hours of grinding just to try one build.
That makes no sense… it’s a $10 game most of the time. And people are willing to pay $80 for a reskin l of last years COD? Get out of here. These arguments are so stupid. Most of the DLC is $2-$4.
The only thing over priced here are cosmetics.
Anyone worried about playing this game for 70 hours does not even need perks. Perks are not what is going to make or break their games. Meta builds have no meaning at the low MMR levels.
Meta builds change all the time. You don’t need meta builds to win. It’s an asymmetric game.
This guy made enough money from this dumb video to unlock all the perks he would want. That is how dumb this entire video is.
@@alatereview3141 You have no clue what a money sink is.
@@Plsrateeight dead by daylight
@@irgendwer3610 No it's not
being a vet player who has bought basically all the licensed content I do often forget how bad the Monetization is. This is an important topic to be brought up. imagine how many more players the game could have if the entry to barrier was not so vast.
Yeah, I started playing the game at last Christmas, and I though, “for a paid game this sure does have a lot of pay-to-win shit” I still play it and have bought some stuff, and I think it’s very enjoyable, but the pay wall is very annoying, especially when I already have a hard time getting enough blood points for a survivor or killer.
Yes dude, I tried to play with some vet friends awhile back and it was INSANELY frustrating for me being a new player. I wanted all these perks and survivors that I couldn't get until I played forever or paid real money on top of already buying the game. Long story short I got killed 90% of the time due to inexperience and no good perks like the one that boosts movement speed after vaulting. It's insane.
@@DamnedNightmareI know it’s a miserable system that still hasn’t been addressed. It’s 10x worse if you want to play a killer that isn’t the nurse. If you are still playing I recommend you level up meg as both adrenaline can be super clutch in the endgame and sprint burst is a much better substitute for lithe (the vault perk you mentioned)
Honestly for me i dodnt mond jist cause im so used to bad monetization. I played r6 for a long time for example and dbd is very similair in proces, cheaper even generally
@@thatminer7174 the difference between siege and dbd is they don’t lock operators behind a rotating weekly shop that only offers 2 of them
For convenience: 3535 hours is 147.3 days
almost half a year 😭
Easy
147 FULL days. I doubt you'll seat 24/7 for half a year. Geeze
@@nadavbar-gil689 Sure, easy
What was this 3535 hours for? I have almost every killer with only 1200 hours ("only").
Its pretty crazy how predatory this games monetisation is. Thank you for shining a light on this situation especially for newer / casual players that dont want to pay for something
The problem is the game's been out for years and new players have to catch up one way or another
@pegeta this is very true I convinced my friend to play with me but once she realized how many characters and perks she needed to unlock she got discouraged and barely plays now.
It's called DLC . . . On of the least invasive monetization methods out of all online games. Even as someone who hates modern practices, it is just silly how much you people want to complain about nothing. Cash shop it all cosmetic. Battle pass is all cosmetic. Game is not a sub. Base game and past DLC is very, very, often heavily discounted. Cry more about nothing.
@@arkainin4638 you and pegeta are on every comment saying the same shit bro no way y’all are boot licking a multi million dollar company 😭
@@gelo888 I mean, I can tell you for sure I'm not on every comment. I responded to like 4 or 5 of the higher ones.
Not sure how that is bad? Good for the YT algorithm too. So quit whining about my commenting.
Besides that, if your comment above is the best you have in response then I care nothing for what you say anyway.
To add on the cosmetic sides of things. Much like OW2, a killer will NEVER be able to see his own cosmetics in game aside from searching for a match or upgrading the killer. It's purely for the other people to see, so you're not even buying the cosmetic for yourselves but for the opponents. At least with survivor you get to see your own character. Which makes it even worse for the killers.
That is how alot of first person games are. And ik DBD isn not a fps game but the first person format works better for killer especially killers like huntress, deathlinger, blight and others.
That's why I only buy weapons. At least I'll see them.
i only bought two killer skins(for iri shards) and it was for my mains at the time, its the last thing u should worry about
@@marcovazquez-ou2pvnot really
i mean... isn't the same thing in real life? lol
Another thing to note is that when a Tome is active, perks needed for the Tome Challenges will be thrown into the Shrine of Secrets, which effectively reduces the odds of getting the perks you need even more since 2 of the Perk Slots will always be dedicated to the Tome.
That makes 0 sense. Why are you assuming the perk you need isn't going to be the one in the tome? Literally 0 difference in the "chance"
But isn't that a good thing as well? Otherwise people would complain that they throw in rift perks and can not get it in time, would be unfair otherwise
I don't get that. What did you mean?
..I barely know anything about DBD(I basically just started watching), but both of these responses can be easily addressed.
Preventing rerolls pretty obvious reduces the odds of getting new perks because each reroll is a new chance of the perk. getting x from 4 random rolls is much likely then getting x from 2 random rolls and 2 gaurenteed Ys. Saying there's literally 0 difference in change is a huge stretch.
@Thomas Cunning We're talking about 2 from hundreds of perks from the pool, so statistically speaking it won't be the perk you need. Because of that, Assuming the perk is what you need is a terrible argument. Even then, you need at least 4 perks to build a kit, so this will still effect you.(i'm assumming based on the context the tomes last for rerolls even after buying the perk as well, but I'd need clarification for that)
@fredward _ An easy way of solving the issue of players being able to consistently get tome perks to simply keep it separate from the main shrine pool. Why does the consistenty of the tome perks require that it reduces the odds of other perks? This is a good thing on the surface, but it causes unnecessary harm to the system in how it's executed.
@@thenielz1 The Shrine of Secrets has 4 perk slots. Whenever a Tome is active (which typically follows the release of a new Rift), some characters have challenges released for them requiring certain perks to be used. While the Tome (and Rift) is active, 2 perk slots in the Shrine of Secrets will be always be dedicated towards perks needed for Challenges. Thus reducing your ability to get access to perks since the odds are reduced.
I just got the game for the first time, 3 days ago. Imagine my shock when I bought the digital copy on the store for about $70 dollars, and I didn't have all the characters unlocked... I was highly disappointed, some of the killers are only purchasable with auric cells, like The Executioner, which I wanted bad enough to cough up my last bit of cash to get.
Its ok. Just find a job, and everything will be alright.😊
@@stanosbourne8825 I am disabled so a job is out of the question sadly. 😭
@@stanosbourne8825thats not the point though,you pay a good amount of money for it just to be shown that to have a build that gives you info on survivors doing gens,gen regressing,and auras getting revealed,you still have to spend money or grind just to get maybe one perk from that killer,its silly that you still have to spend so much money just to start feeling the game instead of having no perks that give you info at all,while being new to the perk system
That part sucks but I’m pretty sure that only being bought with real money is part of the licensing contract for the characters. That’s why all the licenses ones can’t be bought with shards
The base game has NEVER been $70 , not even half that. Why you tryin to drum up drama with an obvious lie?
For anyone grinding shards to guy characters make sure you wait until the characters are 50% off so 9k shards can buy you 2 characters
how often do these sales happen
@@innocenceloss feels like about 4 to 6 times a year for a couple weeks
Excellent advice! It is the only way to turn the grind of this game from a Chinese MMO to a full fledged RPG! Sales occur on Christmas, on Halloween and on the anniversary, which is around July!
@@MintSkull Genshin players are salivating right now (I also play genshin)
@@MintSkull is there no Christmas sale on killers or survivors?
Why they don't put shards in the Rift is still a mystery to me
Let me tell you why: To incentivize players to pay more
easy answer... Shards are free, they don't like people not PAYING for their stuff xD
They already said million of times they'd give away shards for free in daily events and nothing happened, the Christmas and Halloween event and is still not enough
@@eslom. It isnt enough
they are earned by only leveling up or the devs giving it up free
Man the Shrine of Secrets has always been a really suspicious system. Back when BBQ & Chili gave bonus BP, I think it appeared a total of like 4 times in the Shrine up until they axed that part of it. I don't believe it's a wholly random jackpot, and that popular perks likely have a lower percentage chance of appearing compared to others.
I think that obvious, deadlocked is a good example, it is a meta perk that probably everyone wants but pinhead is a licensed character, dbd developers would loose a lot of money just for selling the perk in the shrine of secrets
@@sutai_they did somehow this cycle, immediately bought it from shrine. It doesn't fix these problems though. It will probably be months (or years) until you can even buy that perk again. That's most definitely not fair.
when i started to play, i fell in love with the huntress. I wanted to play with barbecu and chili, before knowking i didnt have the killer who got this perks and that i had to play hundreds of game before being able to buy him with shards
@@sutai_loose and not lose? 😅
@@casedistorted loose because the only way to buy pinhead is with irl money but in the shrine you CAN buy the perk only using a value thats is posible to farm, so its a complete loose, eventhought deadlocked appeared like 2 months ago
As a new player, can confirm, it still is a pretty damn unfriendly system. Only thing that keeps me interested for now is having a friend who plays with me. If I felt like it was more worthwhile to actually pay, I certainly would be likely to pay more for things, but seeing just how much it requires for me to get any optimal build, it feels like I'm being forced towards it and so I refuse.
I got the game years ago but only just started putting a lot of time into it. The fact that just spending the auric cells on some licensed characters is cheaper than buying the chapter is really stupid.
And the bundle system is also extremely dumb and just punishes people for buying chapters. Not to mention one of the bundles literally also costs more than buying the characters individually since it only has 3 killers.
I feel the reason this isn’t big in the community is because they buy all dlc and never worry about it. When I first bought it I bought the steam bundle that came with all unlicensed killers and survivors. I know the game goes on sale often. I can see a new player seeing it for like 5 dollars and buys it. Then sees all the stuff they need to buy.
And then sees how most of that DLC is also on sale, and how cool it is they get to benefit from more than half a decade of content for far, far, less than they would if it was a sub game. Guess pay to win now means not free.
@@arkainin4638 The fact that Dead By Daylight COSTS money, and yet they have the audacity to charge so much money for content that honestly should be free. I completely understand the licensed characters costing money, but these new characters honestly should not be locked behind a pay wall, it’s completely unfair because there’s barely anything “free” in dead by daylight. It’s basically a pay the game, then pay to win. Not only that, but the skins cost just too much money. How is it fair that characters who aren’t licensed have skins locked begin hours upon hours of gameplay, EACH. It’s literally impossible to progress with this game if you don’t put hours a day into it, every day, for every week, and get good skins and characters that other people can just buy the moment it comes out. Super unfair.
Even with the shrine of secrets, the perks should not cost that much because they give huge advantages, the only thing that’s saving DBD perk system is that most meta perks are free because theyre on all of the base survivors, with hunters, not so much.
What you’re doing is enabling DBD to function as if it was a game that was free and thus can charge money for their cosmetics and perks and characters, when in reality it’s not and a LOT of what they’re charging should be free or at the very least a lot cheaper, and they should be rewarding free players.
I just wanna say, I HAVE NEVER come across a game that charges this much money and the game itself also costs money. I understand that the game is cheap, but I play on the PS4. Everything I have gotten is free, I haven’t spent a dime on the game because I have to have PS+ to play it, and that costs me 10 dollars every month, or sometimes 25+ dollars every 3 months. I’m having to pay extra to actually even play the game, and it’s ridiculous to think they want MORE money.
@@PhysicallyAwake This has got to be a troll response. I don't see how it can be anything but considering how out of touch with gaming and payment models you are.
That, or you are very young and grew up on freemium models online.
Sorry to break it to you, but game development costs money. When developers spend time and resources on creating new content, they either need to go freemium, loot boxes, sub fee, or DLC.
DLC is the least invasive of these methods.
End of the line, you want more content, you need to pay for it somewhere. I'd prefer the small DLC that is often heavily discounted.
You also just don't seem to understand gaming in general. Like, you honestly sound like you just want full kit everything 100% unlocked the instant you install.
That's fine, but it's not this game, it's not most games, and it's pretty much no online game.
You play to level and unlock gear, in DBD perks, and through your perks you can grind better and do more.
This is how almost all online games work.
Personally, I would rather they keep doing as they are now, DLC, and move all cosmetics to achievements, but the cosmetics are generally fairly priced compared to most games so not really an issue for me.
Look, if you have no money, no time, no ability, then this sucks. Yes. I would argue then that maybe you should just play a different game that is free and requires no time. Single player games maybe? Well, no because you still have to buy those.
If you honestly think that DBD has the worst monetary practices of any game you've seen, then again, you are super young, are not a gamer, or are a troll.
Because friend, this does not even scratch the surface. Ever hear of gotcha games? Or hell, CoD, WoW, most MMO's, Destiny, Genshin Impact, Overwatch, all sports games, ect, ect.
TLDR: Quit whining and pay like 10$ every few months to just own all the content. Less than the average sub game, and far less than most sink into lootbox games or fermium model games.
@@arkainin4638 How are the cosmetics fairly priced most of them cost $15. I can by another game with that money. And your argument of the person being young makes no sense since if they are young, they will be more likely to fine with this practice since it started 8 or 9 years ago. Gacha games are terrible but at least the base game is free. Dbd is NOT free, console version cost $30, steam version cost $20. The mobile version gives auric cells for free and that version is free! They have no excuse.
@@Sparklecakes13 Except they are not mostly $15, they are mostly $11-$12. You might need to buy $15 worth of cells, but let's be factual and not conflate the two.
See, what you have here is called a live service. It's a game, where you buy, and then the developers continue to create content for players to play and consume and buy.
This is not a single player game with a one time dev cost. This is not a game you have to sub to every month to play.
It's buy once, and you can pay more later for more, if you want. 100% optional.
The reason I say you must be very young is because this model of game is one of the oldest out there. It's called DLC.
As for cosmetics, I admitted I wish they were earned in-game instead. But, and this is important, it's not pay to win - at all.
Cosmetics have nothing to do with pay to win. Go make a video about skin selling in a buy to own game if you want and I would probably agree that it should not be done. That's not this video though.
Bro I just started playing the game a few days ago and let me tell you, finding out there was a season pass for a game that you have to pay for was wild. Been getting to know the community and it’s crazy how players are perfectly fine with these game developers, players would not put up with these shenanigans in other communities and would put a stop to all this real quick. These game developers don’t really seem to care about the community too much and the best thing to do would be to boycott the game for a good time and let them feel it. To me it just looks like they’re money hungry
Its a paid game with paid dlcs and a Battle pass and 10-20€ skins. Its legit peek modern gaming and DBD is only a double AA company but even more greedy than COD. At least in COD gameplay stuff isnt behind a pay wall.
the optional pass that gives cosmetics is not p2w
@@Metha_59 nobody said the pass was p2w. To sum it up for you, I said it’s crazy for a game that you buy to have a battles pass. There are plenty of free games with a battle pass and that makes sense. What is p2w is how every character is behind a pay wall. You can grind for the character, but with how much I played I was only able to buy two characters in a month with iridescent shards. Don’t get me started on all the characters you can only buy with auric cells
@@TheRealSalvador24 yes, when unlocking stuff in games you have to work for it
@@Metha_59 There's a limit to the grind my man.
>all prices are in CHF
You know your monetisation is fucked when you're too expensive for the Swiss.
idk, im chilean and 500 cells are 3000 pesos wich is about 2.7 USD
EDIT: You nailed it with the "only people who have bought all the DLC don't see how bad the shrine is" thing, because I'm one of those people and I totally lost touch. When my Wife and Sister-in-Law play I get reminded that I'm the loser with too much time and money invested (and in my defense, I bought all of these on sale, but I did spend real money and regret doing so now).
It might be my favorite (multiplayer) game, I've only ever described DBD's approach as "better than other games," but never as "totally okay," because it's definitely not. It's not even a FTP title, so walling off chunks of the game as DLC (specifically non-licensed original characters) is frankly a bit of a dick move, especially given their success in the marketplace and the buggy and unpolished releases.
I dont think you should regret paying for the DLC, i truly believe the licensed characters should be bought to support the game, but perks need to be universally available. No need to regret buying something that you found fun.
@@makhond2498 yeah they have to pay, give a portion of the money they make to them, renew the licenses, and abide by standard of contracts
@@matthewking7571 That’s fair, but don’t make me pay for original killers who should be earned “fairly” through in game means. Not 9000 kf those stupid shards that only give you 300 per 1 to 2 hours of my time.
@@Crispy_DAWG I do agree, I think 5000 is more fair. But realistically, I don't mind to much. I make 5 dollars in 20 minutes at work, so I'll buy a character, put time into them, if I don't like them I unlock their perks on killers I like, play around with builds, then if I want to tru new perks or killers I spend the low price of 5 bucks. I live pretty close to poverty, and I can still find that I can afford 1 character if need be.
Funny enough yes the grind is long, but you do really get a lot to do for 5 dollars a character. Plus they don't actually make nearly as much off original characters, so I don't realistically know how they could change monetization, that would be good for the game overall
Just get better. It’snot that hard. You can win the game as a killer with ZERO perks. Especially if you’re a low rank.
I wont lie, you opened my eyes to this. As a player who's paid for all the DLC, I've never thought about how hard it was to get the meta builds unless you spent money. I actually just recently picked up playing killer. As a survivor main I have all the perks unlocked and maxed, not so much as a killer. Its definitely been a struggle trying to not only get, but also max out the perks I need for my builds when all my killers are level 1, un-prestiged.
So have I but over the past few years, there is nothing wrong paying to get new content over the lifespan of a game. For how much some of play this game like 100s to literal thousands, how can some people seriously justify saying that spending money on it is bad. If I play a game literally all the time, then its a good investment.
@@BustinCyder you are the reason they get away with this, perks are behind a paywall which is GAMEPLAY related, no one cares about paid COSMETICS, you deserve to be spit on...
Likewise have all DLC, @op I recommend p3 each killer individually, and not jump around, so your not expending bp on t1, t2 perks as you build each up, use the monthly reset bonus to dump on killer prestige, if you're wanting to adept each, don't play a match or limited amount of matches as said killer until you have lvl 10 at a min, it helps with the mmr scaling.
Man the Entity doesn't only want our emotions. It also wants our money :(
Made me laugh out loud :D definetely gave my emotions to the Entity today in the form of Dead by DC'ing
Entity is the game devs self insert confirmed!
I believe that a step in the right direction is to change the shrine of secrets to, an actual store or shop system. the only thing that is random is that every 3 days. there would sales on a couple random perks for both survivor and killer. They would still cost shards, but maybe a bit less to shrink the grind.
That... Would make it even more pay to win
i don't think you understand what they are saying they said they would still cost shards the earnable stuff but sometimes have discounts and way more/all perks as an option.@@quantumblurrr
@@quantumblurrr Not really, like at all?? If all of the perks are consistently in the shop, there wouldn't be a need to wait, thus less incentive to spend real money. The proposed shop would likely use an in-game currency, be it blood points or shards or even something brand new altogether.
I think you're one of the last voices within DBD who cares enough to actually give real criticism about the game.
The Fog Whisperer program seems to be only there to make big streamers intimidated about criticizing BHVR.
@@justmonika2345 From what I've seen BHVR are less in contact with fog whisperers that are known to Criticize the game, The only reason why people like Otz are in such constant communication wtih the dev's is because he's considered the golden boy and he words things JUST right, as to not come across as a person who says 'I want this fucking changed now or I ain't buying shit or playing your game' type of guy.
@@LynxRecruit Funny you mention Otz. His face during many matches is one of pain, but i can get mad. He can't. It's his income. Sometimes it feels like he's at job he hates.
@@Wastingsometimehere did you see the joy on his face when he was playing VHS?
@@LynxRecruit No I might not have seen that. Big risk for him trying the competition. IMO. Risk of enjoying it.
I can understand the licensed killers being locked behind a paywall, but none licensed killers should be already accessible or at least decrease the iri shard cost. I don't care personally for the grind, but I can understand why others would be frustrated
As a new player that just bought the game last week... I thought the same thing. This game has so many features behind a paywall that it actually rivals free to play games. I still love the game so far but there are so many perks and characters people have recommended to me that I'm just not willing to spend money on right now.
I used to like the shrine but i joined during the Masquerade event, where the perks refreshed daily. Seems like a such a more functional system
I'm glad you mentioned the weirdness of legendary cosmetics because I want James so much more than Cheryl but I dont have him because I refuse to spend $15 on a skin when if the character was released on his own he'd be $5
Exactly, I want Sheva but I dont want to pay for Jill 😔
I got James I can't say it was worth it but I love the character so much that I couldn't just ignore
i do definitely agree with the shrine of secrets, why would you buy a singular perk on tier 3 for 6k shards when you could just pay to get a killer and get all 3 of its perks, the shrine of secrets is just so terrible and expensive, it definitely needs a rework but they wont do that
Exactly. Getting Tier 3 on all perks is so bad that I honestly think putting that option in the shrine is insulting
That doesn't change fact that It still sucks
Shrine is only there so BHVR can say that their game isn't technically P2W around perks.
The idea you proposed about the nurse not being overtaken in power by a licensed killer because people would attack them for pay to win gameplay is very valid
Not really. Nurse just completely breaks the game, u cannot make a character better than that, unless they had a literal "win" button. Nerfing her will never be enough unless they just remove her power completely. I honestly think they just thought a teleporting killer will be cool and didn't realize how broken it'd be back then
@@Relevart9169 except its only broken in high tier by very skilled players, so its not some gamebreaking bullshit character, just get good and learn how to play against it lol
but oh since we are bitching about a character that actually requires skill to be broken, lets talk about one that doesnt require skill to be broken, plague
if you get infected, you get punished by being one hit and spreading the infection, or you cleanse and fuck yourself and everyone else by giving her a ranged attack
if the community actually cared about broken characters then talk about plague and not a character that legitimately requires skill to play and use effectively
@@Relevart9169 but u know im very surprised high elo players always respond with "get better and learn how to play against it" when low elo complains about a broken champ, and yet they cant learn how to play against nurse themselves
@@ailospjellok7475 i mean u're complaining about plague and calling her broken so u've lost any kind of credibility
@@Relevart9169 Nurse is only uncounterable and busted when she has 2 blinks or more, especially with addons. If she had 1 blink, she could be balanced because then that makes mindgaming her possible.
She might also become much harder to play as a result so they would need to do something else to her kit.
In my experience, the main issue with killer is that you dont have all the core tools available to you through common and base killer teachable perks. Survivors get perks for chase, generators, information, altruism and stealth which all see frequent play but killers have far fewer options for each of their core gameplay features
I remember back in 2020 when I bought the game + among us DLC just because I wanted to play Legion.
Then I realised that Joey and Susie could only be played by paying for the skin despite being shown in the DLC's trailer.
And then the killer turned out to be completely different from what the trailer showed gameplay-wise.
@@justmonika2345 For that part, I don't mind at all : I would have hate a disguise mechanic, while I really like Legion's FF.
Darkness among us trailer show how FF works, but that same trailer show Susie and Joey so I tought they were part of it... But no, it's 20 more € if you want them !
@@justmonika2345 it was going to be a disguise mechanic, but BHVR switched it last second because they thought it would be really bad. At least, that's what I heard.
I literally thought your first sentence was supposed to be a meme until I remembered that the DLC is called "DARKNESS Among Us" lmao.
@@ambermain1634 Yeah my bad, I forgot the "darkness" myself when I wrote the first coment lol
They could make the Shrine a lot better by allowing you to pick 1 killer perk and 1 survivor perk of your choice each week. This could allow someone to get a meta build for a favorite character in a few weeks at most, rather than a year or more of hoping and waiting for the RNG gods to put the perk(s) you need in the Shrine.
Meta perks don't make you good. If you can't down survivor most generator perks are useless.
As for survivor... It's more of the same. DH is poopoo if you don't use it properly, lithe and balance landing are very situational, and sprint burst is only good when used properly.
@@Boby9333 you need gen pressure as a killer to have a chance at winning against decent players, it tough not having dlc killer perks, I believe that dlc perks help a lot but won't make you good, just gives you a better chance at getting more kills
@@Boby9333 true but if you are a f2p player and you are up against a 4 stack team and they all have meta perks and meta survivors you will struggle alot more then if you were ptw
@@azurefoxbh9280 Knowing how to play against meta perks is a skill. No perks will make you down a survivor if you're too hasty on basic attack and they have dh or do a field of view tech.
Gen takes 10s more than they used to and kicking a gen does 5% that is huge compared to before.
You can have all the aura reading perks as nurse or huntress, if you can't blink or aim hatchett you won't down people anyway.
You can react to the vast majority of perks you see. You can bait dh, make survivor waste sprint burst etc.
Also skins can and does have advantage. Smite is a very good example of that, many skins are ban from tournament because they give an advantage. Some skins in dbd are darker, which makes it easier to blend it (blendette rings a bell?) While others are very colorful. But them alone don't matter if you don't have the experience to hide well behind objects/know how to break line of sight.
Go check the StarCraft 2 scene. People know the imbalance but will laugh at you if you complain about it before grand master/master/diamond because they know that the imbalance is likely not the cause of your defeat.
@@Boby9333 Ah yes, then why would all competitive killer use gen perk at all, let's just go perkless anyway
if you upload you playing perkless again red survivor, you would get a million views , do it, just 1 match to see how fun this game is
I’ve never seen someone so passionate about this!! It’s so refreshing and MintSkull isn’t scared to hide that he’s pissed about this! BHVR needs to get their shit together
The passion fr! Video last 50 minutes but it ate me :D I wanted to listen and not stop
@@anettelma123 I didn’t even realize this was a 50 minute Video until I seen your comment he definitely put it together well
From a player of over 2 years having almost every dlc it doesnt seem so bad since i was buying it over the years , but now that you mention it it sounds overwhelming af
Also i remember it was pretty fun to see how many possibilities i have at the start
You just definitely became one of my favorite dbd content creators. You clearly have a passion for the game and want it to be the best version of itself. Thanks for the video. Found it really enjoyable. I like these longer videos
Honestly this is so damn accurate as a relatively new player. I spent a decent sum of money to get most of the killers, and frankly it wasn't too bad for me because I'm a high school student with nothing to actually spend their money on aside from entertainment, but I can really see the problem with guaranteeing game changing perks through buying these characters, not to mention having to grind those characters out in order to use those perks on everyone-
Same bro. I can also consider myself as a relatively new player, because I joined during the 6th birthday of DBD (even tho I claimed it for free on Epic Games half year before). And as I was playing I really wanted to get Ghostface, and Blood Warden perk. Of course they both are licensed so I had to buy 500 auric cells for Ghostie and Freddy (they were both 50% off for auric cells at that time). I mained killer for a while but then I thought of playing survivor and oh god if I knew what I got into... I realised I only had unique and Meg perks and after watching some youtube videos I saw I lacked in many good beginner perks so I went and bought another 500 auric cells for Feng and Adam. And that was just a beggining. As soon as I discovered DLC's that let you buy both killer and survivor/only one of them for like $3/$2 I started buying those like crazy, Clown & Kate, Bubba, Mikaela, Resident Evil (1st one), Trickster & Yun-Jin, Pyramid Head & Cheryl, Legion & Jeff and I'm still down much of perks and characters which I can have. After all I decided to grind and it took really long but still I was able to buy only Plague, Doctor and Blight each for 4500 shards through my entire gaming experience with this game. And then I quit for almost 6 months.
To sum up it all comes to me realising I can do shit if I don't spend money because this game is Pay 2 Win (at first, now it's more like pay to not lose time) and spend the money like a total dummy just to quit the game after 3 month of playing it and then coming back almost 6 months later.
Man, wish I wasn't so worried about the future and shit. My family is going broke and we can't do shit about it
Yeah I just started getting into the game and I wanted to try out some of the new killers, then I realized how long it would take to get even just one... lovely. And this is a game you have to pay for? Wtf. I remember when I was trying to figure it all out, I thought to myself "no... there's no way that all these good perks are things you basically have to pay for or grind an unholy amount in order to get. every other game I know has all the gameplay elements right away so it's just about skill. like, there's genuinely no way." Hahaha my naivete
I am considering uninstalling this game for the second time this month due to the grind that I will have to go through as someone who refuses to go with in-game purchases. Behaviour made an amazing and extremely fun game, it's a huge shame that 2/3rds of it are locked behind a horrible grind or 200 dollars.
Unrelated to the topic, but something you definitely should put your money into is investment, like trading stocks or opening an investment bank account. There's always an inherent risk to lose that money, but if you do your research and put your money into a form of investment you're most comfortable with, you'll most likely earn a sizeable chunk back.
Tbh I wouldn’t even get all the killers, only the fun ones. I would’ve just hoped the good killer perks would show up in the shrine.
THIS IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING. I’ve said since like 2021 that Dead by Daylight is like a free to play game with how many characters there are that you have to buy or grind an incredibly long time, but you also have to pay for the base game.
I like ur avatar pic
I mean what do you expect. Half of the killers and survivors are licensed killers? The killers and survivors they design themselves can be unlocked by shards which are FREE. Ive unlocked countless characters with shards.
The only problem is the licensed survivors and killers. Which in the end aren’t even that expensive. It’s like $5-10. Which is cheap.
@@SmolDuragTV Brother The game alone costs MONEY
@@MorpheusWasted AND? It was like $15.. If you don’t have extra money to spare on your hobbies then that sounds like a personal problem. Not a problem with the game.
Most of the survivors best perks are on the base characters. A lot of the best killer perks are also on the base characters. The ones you don’t have you can buy as a pack for $30(the unlicensed killers or survivors).
So you’re complaining about spending $45 on a game you enjoy. Get real. Y’all really need a reality check. Everything can’t always be free. They developing team needs to make money in order to keep the game alive and fund future projects.
@@SmolDuragTV Why are you D riding them like its your job bro, they have PLENTY money
the fact that dbd players will defend behaviors pay to win, or pay to unlock content practices is part of why i hate the dbd community. also the fact that this video has the potential to be 50 minutes is insane
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Well done, Mint. You are probably the only person who has made a video in this with proper maths and without melting down and screaming. In my opinion, DBD’s monetisation is okay. The best killer is free with the game, and comes with decent perks. However, there needs to be some sort of way to get any perk. An idea would be that you can get any unlicensed perk for like, 3000 shards instantly. It should be free to play. They have a battle pass, and characters to purchase. I totally agree with what you said about survivors. It would be way cooler if survivors had their own powers. Like if Haddie could use her knowledge to see the auras of her other survivors every time she fights against the entity. Unfortunately, the perk problem simply cannot be fixed. The licenses likely wanted DBD to make their perks really good so that the licenses get more money. And they can’t make them available for free as they are licensed. Personally, I don’t see the point of getting annoyed over perks. Everyone wants the game to have a meta, despite it being a casual game, with no competitive features. I (personally, I’m not saying everyone else has to) only uses perks that make sense for the character of the killer or those I personally enjoy, like Nurse’s calling or Agitation. Also, no, I did not get the game for free. I got it for the base price of 30-40 pounds.
I am a new player (less than month) and the idea that I will never be able to play every killer or survivor licensed or unlicensed because of the sheer grind is really unfortunate.
Even if I grind tf out of the game to get a meta build the meta could just switch.
Ridiculous
Something which you could have also mentioned is the rift pass:
Some of the rifts require you to play games with certain characters which is fine, however this also feels like a way to incentivize you to spend even more money since you have that uncleared challenge and /or you get a skin for the charackter in the Rift.
Ofc, you could say that’s just „don’t buy the battle pass lmao“ but it’s still a realy consumer unfriendly practice
It's funny how I just accepted the shrine as a game mechanic and didn't think much of it but when you point it out in your video I realized just how unrealistic and unfair it is. Most frustrating to me as a F2P player though is that while nurse huntress etc. are all good a lot of fun killers like ghostie, Pyramid Head etc. are locked behind a paywall. Btw thanks for this video even though I really care since it won't change my situation, it's really nice to have people like you keeping BHVR in check and not just bombarding them with positivity to get on their good side.
Obviously. They're licensed characters
Oh no the characters that BHVR has to pay license are only accessible if they make money paying for saidlicence? That is some outright bullshit scum of the earth corporate greed tactics. Down with behavior.
They need to pay off the cost of buying the license in the first place@@alexinfinite7142
In DBD mobile you can actually get auric cells from daily and weekly rituals, which is pretty nice, but doesn't change the fact that it runs and performs terribly, is badly optimized, and is missing almost half the content the standard game has (Pinhead is the most recent killer there)
Behaviour should add free killers/survivor rotation weekly or monthly. just like in league of legends with free champion rotation AT LEAST. this way people can try out killers that they normally couldn't without buying the DLC and it actually incentivizes the players to maybe buy the killer/survivor if they enjoy it so it's actually even good for the bottom line of that company so I don't know why they don't just do that.
And of course when the rotation ends the players get to keep the progression they made in the bloodweb
This is an excellent idea lol
Their reply would be that all killers are free to try in PTB. Only if you have a PC though, BHVR don't give two **** about console.
@@ashmaniacal Actually the PTB is simply allowed by steam. For example, on epic games you cant have a test server either while its on pc. In this case, lets be honest, that's a problem more on the console side probably
that'd mean BHVR admitting the game uses f2p systems so it will never happen
@@luisguess3885 That's why I prefaced it by saying 'at least' the fact they're not doing this at the least is despicable.
They're using systems that are way worse than f2p systems. Things like: 80% content for killers is locked behind a paywall. and for survivors 80% of the perks are practically locked behind a paywall. (Shrine of secrets is a laughable negligible fix to this issue).
Oh, now i realise why all the friends i make on this game are so rich, they casually say they are buying new cosmetics and other things pretty often
As someone who bought DBD on switch (1st mistake, but my pc can’t run this game) on sale, I really wanted to get better at this game since I thought it was so fun. I started watching content creators to see what they do and learn from them, but all the perks everyone runs change the game so much. As someone with not much money to spend on game transactions or time to grind things out, it’s really discouraging for me. Thank you for this video, it made me feel a bit seen :”)
I also play on Switch too. Got used to it eventually but I would love to see cross progression come to the game. I can understand there being an issue with licensing between platforms but everything else should be able to come to other consoles and PC without issue.
Perks don't change the game much, especially for survivor. On the hundreds of perks for survivor only a handful can have a big impact & many perks will make you learn bad habits which will make you struggle hard if you dont learn to play perkless.
As for killer, yeah perks have a bigger impact but again, if you can't down people, how will gen perks help you exactly? If you suck at finding survivors, perkless, you will struggle regardless if you run meta perks or not. Learning killers ability and mastering them has a much bigger impact than any meta perks can have. A good Clown who used both bottle perfectly can 4k while breaking 1 or 2 pallets per match because with both combine you're fast enough / slow down survivor enough to make most "safe pallet" unsafe. But knowing where and when to drop your bottle doesn't matter if you can't mindgame at all.
I promise perks do not make you good, a lot of survivors struggled when the dead hard change happened. If you're playing killer it's about utilizing what you have, finding survivors, downing them, and protecting gens. The perks will just amplify the skill, not supplement it. Perks honestly only matter immensely at very high mmr. 1 thing I think he failed to mention, is that at a casual level, the you don't need the meta. Skill will beat perks
I used to be such a trapper main from the first example, I remember waiting for "save the best for the last" perk in the shrine of secrets for months
But you still ended up getting the perk didn’t you?
@@WWMK05 Wow what a dumb arguement, now try to defend perks that have never been in the shrine.
@@e9cj you can say it’s a dumb argument all you want it doesn’t change the fact that it proves the game is free to play and I never said the shrine was done well in fact I agree they need to fix the shrine and make it better
@@WWMK05 How is it a free to play game if you have to pay to play it? lol
@@XeMeow because you don’t have to pay. You choose to pay your not forced to pay. You choose to try and run meta builds. You can get 4ks 3ks just fine without meta perks I do it all the time. You can escape without using meta builds and perks in fact you get a lot better at killer and survivor when you don’t rely on meta builds. If you want to pay to just use meta perks from killers and survivors then that’s your choice but if you want to get better and and you really love the game then you can get the same perks just from grinding. Most dbd content creators that have thousands of hours could have gotten those same perks from grinding and being free to play but their viewers want to see the new killers and survivors which is why in my opinion is why they pay for them and plus they don’t mind paying for them because they get their money back. 😄
As someone who recently got back into this game after a few years of not playing this affects me too. Nowhere near to the extent that it would affect a new player but I can still feel the mountain of content that I have to grind out in order to obtain everything. So to everyone thinking that it will never affect you I hope you never take a break from the game for too long or you'll be in the exact position that a new player will be in
Same here honestly. As much as I love the game it's easy to miss how much is put behind a paywall until you leave the game for several chapters and come back. I wish they could make some older chapters either heavily discounted or free
Ik you guys are saying “as bad as a new player” but I literally have a total of 11 characters between killer and survivor, played for 3 days straight and I’m not even half way to unlocking my First character… why tf is this game not free to play?
yea i switched to pc and of course they dont have cross progression so all of my grind on console from 2017 to 2020/2021 is gone. I had to start completely from scratch and its honestly so annoying i really dont want to spend money on this game just to get to my starting point. thank god the killers i like to play are original characters but that just means i have to do so much more grinding
@@imdva the grind is worse then most free games lol
I dont feel that the grind is worst then 2018. Unlocking perks you want is faster then ever. Huge point I have to say, why would you want to unlock every perk when only 50% of them are viable/fun. Seems like a waste of time to me. Also there is no RNG in DBD when it comes to buying characters for certain perks. You kno what your ganna get. So its not like an actual grind that some people have complained about. Compared to other games I played, We DBD players have it made. And I appreciate behavior giving us so many ongoing bonuses. The argument to the slight "grind" is non existant IMO. Say you can't unlock everything, when you'll never use everything or even 50% of what you unlocked. You can easily select what killers or survivors you want. Lv the character to 50 (which I can do in 1 day easy) and every character has the 3 teachables. I can unlock most the builds I play in less then 3 weeks with a new account.
Im done with dbd. I’ve started a month ago & play when i can, maybe 6-8 hrs a week. you’re 100% correct. To long of a grind with no rewards
Incredible. I’m impressed you can find an hour worth of talking points without being Otz or this being a ‘random clips compilation.’
I’m motivated and and getting to writing. What an investment of effort that NOBODY asked for be we needed.
A true reminder that not all hero’s wear capes. Thank you for your due diligence and empathy for the player base. I’m also trying to bring support to players. Bravo, Dude.
Otz is annoying
@@nairbdelrey1561 I thought so too at fiest. But when i asked myself 'Why' and had no reason other than his accent (which i think i was reaching) he's a pleasant dude.
@@PremiumSaltProviderSalineSodiu the accent is no bother since My first language is Spanish too but just something about him. Idk . He still gives good dbd advice tho.
@@PremiumSaltProviderSalineSodiu wait you thought his voice is annoying? I’m surprised, I thought that was his best quality
hey guys this is otz however theres no physical proof that it is ive come here with a short video for you guys- 8months long video why bald shirtless david is handsome and needs nerf
I'm so tired of people thinking BHVR is a small uwu 🥺 indie company who needs the money desperately to continue operating. This game has corners being cut on its quality, but the prices for us are mounting. Thank you for this video.
They are a small Indi company. They just struck gold with this one game and it's made them tens of millions. They still have the skills and leadership of an indi company. I'm a game developer, still relatively new (2 years professionally) and I still make many rookie mistakes. But I never had millions of dollars at my disposal and I can still tell that these are the exact same mistakes being made by BHVR! They make mistakes that I learned not to years ago. They've been making this game for 6 years and still don't even know their own gameplay loop.
@@Sun-Tzu- They WERE an indie company. They are no longer and there's no excuse for what they're doing, nor should anyone be defending them as if they still are a tiny company.
@@ghostmyers2019 Nobody should be defending their ineptitude.
@@Sun-Tzu- have you never heard of Tencent before?
I agree but don't say uwu its weird
As a killer main I'm not afraid of losing, more afraid of the fact that to change resolution from 720p and unlock 60-120 fps you need to change game files by yourself... It gives me doom vibes when to know the plot you need to read txt file🙈
Uh I don’t have that issue lol, it just lets me do that, skull issue
@@TheSkizzler the game very different four months a go
I waited for decisive strike to show up in the shrine. At some point it probably did but I wasn’t playing at the time. However it took me 3-4 years to see it and by that point it was well past its expiration and was changed.
"This game is not dead by The Nurse" fucking killed me
to me... it might as well be. Nurse, my beloved
Yeah i kinda disagree on this part of the video
Deadlock straight up going to be in the shrine next week, mark my words.
Let's pray! It's definetly a perk that everyone should have, it's such a good perk :D
you wait for deadlock in the shrine, i mained deathslinger since it came out to bully davids for being bri'ish.
@@deadbynicki That was blood pact if I am not mistaken!
@@deadbynicki no fucking way, i didn't plsy during that time.😩😢🤨🤤
I love how Mathieu Côté (the chef and director of BHVR) always answers disrespectful to this kind of critic or even any critic at all
But this kind of critic isn't valid. Why would you feel the urge to buy fucking skins
@@crowhill88skins that give competitive advantage fucktard
@@crowhill88 shouldn't matter in the first place, it's a paid game they already made money from the sale.
I'm fine with the Killers being behind a paywall. The perks however, need to be available in the bloodweb once the characters are available in game. Get rid of the shrine, it rarely has anything worth the shards.
RNG is already bad enough, but requiring P1 to get a TIER 1 perk is just awful. Also, remove perk Tiers.
i remember the first year i spent playing this game i grinded literally everyday for hours and now i’m lucky enough to have all my perks t3 on everyone, i also bought dlc and it was still such a horrendous grind i can’t even begin to know what f2p players go through
Why are you saying f2p? The game still cost over $30 then they give you like 10 characters to start..
@@Monkeyman-qt1smwhich would be fine if it didn't take on average 35h to farm enough Iri shards for 1 character, and then you need to prestige them at least 3 times for the perks anyway.
@@Wolvahulk yeah it’s ridiculous, don’t really need to prestige them more then once tho.
@@Wolvahulk tbf if you like a game you would grind it anyways. Don't act like you haven't grinded the shit out of a game and didn't pay money on the SAME game you grinded. Everyone has done it. If the game wasn't fun, people wouldn't spend money on it, simple as that.
@@vibratthe3rd885 True and I do grind tome challenges, the thing is that I bought all of the licensed DLC and even got a couple non-licensed DLC mainly to farm more tome challenges to get the tome done faster.
Realistically I don't regret that decision because I have all the characters and a bunch of Iri shards left for the next chapter these days, and I've put in nearly 1000h into the game and I can see myself putting in a lot more.
The thing is that I did in fact pay for the DLC to be able to grind more, the average person will want to at least get most of the licensed chapters.
The story about Trapper was literally my story as newcomer. It was big luck I had "Save best for last" and "Corrupt Intervention" in shrine of secrets (it took ~1,5 year to have both). Also I bought a Trickster in his chapter with discount. And I needed the last piece of puzzle - "deadlock". I waited for him so long (I didn't knew he never appeared, and maybe never will). I have it only on this anniversary.
It took me 2 years to finally complete this build. During this time, I just decided to not play as Trapper and bought a Hag.
Also, I have theory, that start killers (Trapper, Wraith, Hillbilly) is weak, to make new players buy other killers. Also, there's Nurse which is painful to play, for new players, that makes them play other killers (but, if you learnt how to play as Nurse, her gameplay become boring, because it's to easy to destroy as her. But other start killers is weak, so they need to buy a new ones
Isn't Huntress a free killer? I might be mistaken but I don't remember getting her for shards.
She's pretty decent, definitely stronger than Trapper, Billy and Wraith. Obviously harder than Trapper and Wraith (Billy is harder imo). Weaker than Nurse yeah but also easier than her. Overall she's a good killer imo.
Still you are absolutely right about the perk system in the game. I remember it was so difficult to get a good build going for other killers. Grinding for non-licensed characters is also a chore (take about 35h per character on average).
It was even worse before the reduced BP/Prestige grind.
@@Wolvahulk yes, huntress is free for newcomers, I forgot about her when I wrote this
After thinking about this theory more, making free killers weak to force people buy new killers have no point anyway
@justgreen2622 it's actually pretty common for mobile games to give you weak garbage and generously offer you the ability to purchase stronger characters.
In this case, I do think there's merit to this idea. Huntress and Nurse are both very hard to play, and Trapper, Wraith and Hillbilly suck. But then you hear about how good Blight, and Wesker and all these other Killers are but you also need to play as characters like Clown and Myers to get their good perks to go on them, so you better open your wallet BUT WAIT you want to look cool, right? Well, we've got a time expiring Battle Pass and also shop skins with FOMO tactics where some skins filter in and out and you can ONLY buy them using our in-game currency so you have you buy more than you need... It all kinda sucks.
We need to share this video with otzdarva so he spreads this message to most of the community and hopefully the devs
He is paid by behavior, I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t go well as he is a fog whisperer, but you know, he might say something, which he probably already has
@@musiciseverything9521 If you watch some of his videos/streams you'll see that he does agree that its kinda bad that characters are locked behind a paywall..
Imagine looking up to someone who calls killers "they"
@@BossPL4Everthat's crazy, who asked tho
@@BossPL4EverImagine caring
im a returning player from around 2017-18, i was a total survivor main back in the day, so i decided to try killer after buying the game again on steam. seeing all the perks i could use behind a paywall really sucked, i ended up buying artist and sadako just so i could run a good build, i havent even thought about changing it because i dont wanna spend anymore money this video really hits hard for a returning player and seeing how grindy it is
As a fairly new player (started playing about 5 months ago), I can totally feel the grind and the paywall in this game.
@mic eatah you haven't hit em yet
Imagine how much better this game would be if this game's monetization system was decent:
Anyone could install the game and play any Survivor or any Killer with any build, and if they so decided they could buy a skin or the battlepass.
Except odds are this will never happen as Behaviour is doubling down on this terrible monetization with the recent time gated cosmectics.
I truly believe that if the game fixed their monetization to be more fair, the game would blow up, and not because it's tied to any license!
Then you would need to hard pivot away from developing new content to focusing mostly only on cosmetics. You want new maps, new killers, new perks, then you need to pay for them. It's just silly to call anything not free pay to win.
@@arkainin4638 Agreed, but remember Fortnite doesn't only get new skins, despite their monetization being all on cosmectics.
@@lastwayyt Horror is a niche genre. BR's have far, far, far, wider appeal. Which means far more people paying for skins and dances, ect.
You can't really compare DBD and its limited market to that of Fortnite.
@@arkainin4638 I see your point, it'd be hard to predict how much monetization they would need to keep themselves up. And also what impact this more consumer friendly monetization would have on the player base.
But I think it's fair to say they could tone it down and do just as well if not possibly better since consumer friendly practices attract players.
I got the game gifted to me and I usually don't spend money on games. I am also a killer main and have only gotten about 30 hours in the game. Some of the stuff I see in this video as someone who started recently is extremely accurate. The grind for a single character is crazy, and I come from a MMO background.
I’ve been saying this games monetization is terrible forever. The only difference is I didn’t seek to make a change. Good video
It's also worth to mention how DBD uses Dark Patterns which is a concept of bringing the customer to do something wether it is to play or to spend money. The rift engages the fear of missing out. You pay for the Premium track and basically are forced to play a certain amount to get your moneys worth and not miss out on skins.
Thank you for bringing light to this. They need to definetlx be called out for their.... Behavior lmao
Just wait until you have it regularly maxed out, then buy the rift.
@@pawncube6787 But then it's the same issue, you fear missing out so you max it out. Then because it's already done you feel incentive to pay for the rest.
They made their battle pass so unrewarding.. They make players believe that they're getting limited cosmetics and items hence bring in the fear of missing out, then release the exact cosmetics into the store a few months - years later. Makes it feel like the only limited time rewards you're getting are a bunch of crappy charms that you'll never even use... If it weren't for bhvr giving players multiple outfits for basically the price of one, nobody would even buy the rift.
When you max out the Rift you get 1000 Auric cells. The Rift costs 1000 Auric cells. So If you max it out before buying, you only need to buy the cells a single time. Then you can get Always a Premium Pass, using the Same 1000 auric cells over and over again.
@@P34NUT94 But then again, you need to finish the whole rift which is weeks worth of grind.
THANK YOU. Cosmetic pricing makes no sense to me. Why is almost everything “very rare” 😭 I think non-licensed characters’ cosmetics need to be much cheaper. Cosmetics are just way over priced for a non-F2P and it’s so annoying because cosmetics are so fun, I love mix-matching pieces lol.
I think a really cool alternative to the shrine could be this. You have access to any and all perks in the game, killers and survivors. Each perk costs a fixed price, maybe 500 shards but fir every perk you buy the next one gets more expensive maybe by 200-500, until you get to what is now the price of 2000 and you could have the option of using Auric Cells as an alternative payment method, maybe 50-100 cells for a perk
That is a much better idea
Its even worse now that the stranger things perks are locked behind a paywall agai
When I started playing this game 2 years ago I had a lot of fun, but it was shocking to me how slow the progression was. In the old system I racked up 700hrs and had ONLY 1 character on prestige 3 and got 80% of killers to lvl40 so I could use their perks. I only got 10% of survivors to lvl40 and I gave up after that and bought myself an unlockall account because that is 10x more viable than the current progression
what's an unlockall account??
@@bagopurritoes3959 im guessing a steam account with DLC and all that for a heavily discounted price
This is a very very ballsy video of you to make and I love how truthful you were about it. Everything you talked about were spot on and I have had to deal with this exact stuff, I started playing December of 2021 and felt like I was forced to buy the killers (although I got them all heavily discounted due to PSN sales) but it’s still really annoying to spend money on the game and then spend even more to have a chance at winning. It would be nice if the SoS would update more often or it could have bonus slots with Perks for characters you don’t own or something along those lines. Or if they made all perks available at the shrine but they would discount 4/6 at a time so you could always get what perks you want.
I personally don't think you need to spend money to win, good players aren't winning because the perks, they are winning because they have the experience
@@matthewking7571which comes again into playtime, and those people will have the best berks by the time they’re sufficiently skilled
@@matthewking7571 You don't need to spend money to win, that's true, but if you want a competitive advantage (Or even just to have fun running meme builds) then you most likely will need to pay for the DLC(s) that house those perks unless you want to grind.
Money doesn't mean winning, but it does mean less of a time gate on fun.
Don’t forget the inverse example. BHVR is not allowed to make money off of Bill per the license. So he has almost zero cosmetics and are making his best perks (borrowed time, unbreakable) base kit going forward.
As someone who played early on from year 1 to early in the 4th year of DBD and had all the content. I then recently came back after almost 3 years of inactivity, I now understand how bad the monetization system is, thankfully I don't play killer and have 1/3 of all the survivors so I have a good amount of perks to play with. But, I would never pick up this game if I was a new player, and if I didn't remember how to loop, know how to find gens, etc. The game would just not be fun at all. And because I don't want to put anymore money into the game so I can't play any new killers or new survivor perks without grinding for countless hours which some don't have the time to do.
I can understand paying for the character because BHVR are paying other company's to use their likeness, they need to recoup costs somehow. But the perks is where I feel things are unfair. There should be a better way to get all the perks for free. I don't know how you'd do it without making things unfair on either side or them losing out themselves (they are still a business after all), but how they're doing it currently is clearly upsetting people.
Get a better job get a job or play another game Jesus Christ you people
@@pegeta ...I have all the DLC because I do have a well paying job. Some people don't, however, and if your view is "get a better job" then my god are you a privileged individual. Stay ignorant man
But there is a way and it’s called the shrine
they could probably add another perk level with a set of small bonuses if you play the character these perks came with
like SBFL on Myers or Discordance on Legion
i'm pretty sure they could figure something out if they really wanted people to buy licensed killers
but paywall that hurts newcomers is a lot simpler, of course
@@AltPlus30 oh I completely agree. They need to do something to make it easier for newer players
Damn at first I didn't really agree with the words "pay to win" but with you explaining it I completely agree. I also agree with the cosmetics being overpriced. I pretty much agree with everything they should definitely rework the shrine.
No, they didn't explain anything They continued to whine about a non-issue for the longest time to the point where you were like Well maybe they have a point, they never had a point there was never any point to this video other than to stir up drama.
@@Plsrateeighti may agree with the characters because thats basically what any online game does but the perk system is really bad and u should b available to buy ANY perks ANY time you want with shards
@@Plsrateeightyou might not have heard his points over the sound of the boot youre throating
@@insomniasessions5347 oh no the edge Lord used an old joke because he doesn't have an original thought in his little pea brained daddy taint sucking head.
@@Plsrateeightu didnt even watch the video did you?
Completely agree with you, it's ridiculous.
I have most of the Killers and about half the Survivors unlocked (I paid for them) and I did the math, to unlock my remaining characters I'd need to spend almost $70. And that's my cheapest option.
For those who don't know this game allows DLC family sharing, so for example if your friend whose family shared with you bought a DLC the DLC applies to you as well.
I think perks from free characters like Dwight, Nea, or Nurse shouldn’t show up in the shrine at all but even then it still wouldn’t be fair
I think some good changes to help with this problem would be to make shrine of secrets actually do something (make it like 10 killer and 10 survivor perks every week) and reduce the grind for shards by half or so. I don't think this would fix everything, but i think it could very much help.
You know I really was trying to play this game more and more , but I kept losing a lot and wondering how to killer kept finding me , doing research , noticed there’s tons of killer perks that show survivor auras , and guess the one perk that blocks aura reveal , distortion , and i have to “buy” this dlc in order to be safe, that’s pay to win , because the killer “bought” the good aura reveal perks ‘ pay to win ‘
Great video. Even the "free to play" players aren't actually Free to play, they've PAID FOR THE GAME
Edit: You did say the above later in the video.
You're clearly passionate about the game and you're also right
Fun fact: in dbd mobile (f2p btw) you can grind the auric cells. In addition , in recent years, you could get a some ultra rare skins in mystery boxes (which cost 20k-50k BLOODPOINTS)
You’re the goat bro. I agree and love everything you said! Hope this video blows up. More content creators need to acknowledge this. This is a HUGE problem. Especially timegated cosmetics and locking beginner perks behind licenses
Except this has nothing to do with the game being pay to win and every point he did make proves that the game is free to play
@@WWMK05 what? BS, you didn’t watch the vid at all, just looked at it and said "I ain’t watchin‘ allat" because he’s right
@@Jay_Johandsome actually I did watch the entire video and no he’s not right. Pay to win definition is paying to get a advantage over everyone else. If you’re going to sit there and tell me a brand new player to the game bought everything that they would have a advantage over even people who have played this game longer then you’re being disingenuous because that is not true. You don’t need to have all the meta perks to win I don’t have all the meta perks and i don’t use all the meta perks and I still have beaten survivors that have nothing but meta perks so no it’s not BS that the game is pay to win if that’s how you want to see it then by all means see it like that but the truth is because most people choose not to buy the characters and can’t use all the perks they want then it means it’s pay to win when it’s obviously not true especially since you can get the killers and survivors for free. If you don’t want to grind it out that’s a you problem but you can’t sit there and say it’s not free to play because people are too lazy to grind and I don’t want to hear not everyone has that time to grind because neither do I and guess what I still grind the game and I’m still able to get the people I want because I grind. You want to grind like those people then start a UA-cam channel or twitch and play the game and you’ll be able to get all the perks you want for free. Simple solution.
@@WWMK05 1. it costs me 30€ upfront, it’s pay to play.
2.I can and should (probably) expect free content like all the f-ing none-licensed killers, Hag,Huntress and nurse were free and they managed to still have enough money for like 3 licenses after that in a row.
This is also backed by the cosmetics costing half the price off the original game and everyone and their mother owning a cosmetic set.
3.Saying you can win without meta perks is so meaningless, because I damn well know you actually have A:not really payed attention to the video and B: not actually dellt with killer with only base perks(unless you are a mindless nurse just slugging game to game)
I play trapper the arguably weakest killer in all of DBD who is gonna get stomped by any half competent team when he’s without info+regress perks(wich I don’t have except tinkerer).
How dare you even try and say I would stand chance I’m high MMR without considerably much much and I mean a LOT more effort then people who have good perks!?
Isn’t that pay to win when you have a very noticeable advantage with something as simple as a transaction???
4.Bro, in the Video he showed how long you have to grind for stuff that C A N be unlocked with shards, that you have no life and school/work till 1:30 PM and nothing after that isn’t my fault, I have school till 3:50-4:00PM, I have something called A LIFE AFTER WORK/SCHOOL ACTIVITIES, I also don’t force myself to play when I don’t want too and any reasonable person does aswell.
No sane person gets 3500+ hours (pure gameplay) to unlock the halfhearted BS killers and "female surv NR.#34" that are unlockable now, in 2 months we have another one, that’s like 17000 more sharts for killer and survivor just like that, and that forever going. Imagine trying to actually make up that distance by playing normally as a new player, it’s impossible
@@Jay_Johandsome 1. Everyone had to pay to play the game so I don't see how that is relevant to the argument at hand.
2.You can do whatever you want but expecting free content is asinine. Just because you buy a game doesn't mean you don't have to pay for dlc which is where the probably comes in but considering they gave the nurse for free. You got what you wanted. You got free dlc which they didn't have to do. Who cares about cosmetics. How does having different attire give you an edge over someone wearing the default attires.
3.First off how is it meaningless when that's the point of being free to play. Again I did watch the whole video and second considering I'm a killer main I think I would know and yes you can beat survivors with meta perks and I've done it without slugging. I play the pig who also down there as a trash killer with no good perks and again yes you can still win against survivors that have meta perks.
Well yes at high MMR you're gonna have to work for it. It's not supposed to easy. Yes if it was noticeable but it's not. Are you gonna lose some games yes but if you got to a high MMR without meta perks then no it's not gonna be a noticeable because you got the skills and no matter how meta a build that they have if they don't have as much skill as you then they lose.
4. He said it would take 735 hours to grind everything and here is a flaw. You're not going to use all the perks so using 735 hours as what it would take is again disingenuous. You going for a meta build which is four perks which takes 140 hours, which granted yes is a lot of hours you're not paying money to get it and your can also use the shrine. Granted the shrine is terribly made you can again still get it for free, which again is free to play. Yes most people have a lives still doesn't prove its not free to play. In fact it proves even more that it's free to play. Easy solution stop trying to catch up and just play your way.
Like I said if you don't want to grind then pay if you don't care for the grind then grind but it doesn't change the fact that its free to play.
This grind has been what's keeping me from getting into the game properly
I saw someone call vhs pay to win because of a character... a character that you could technically buy with ingame currency (I say technically because the grind for it INSANE)
It was on otz' stream.. a dbd stream.. a game where you HAVE to pay real money for at least 40% of the characters
“The Nurse is free in dbd tho” 🤓
@@MintSkull if you pay 30$ to buy the game, yes Kappa
Yeah, I thought of getting into this game till I went on steam and saw that the packages with heroes and killers was like a good 500 bucks all combined. It doesn't even have value alone since the best "perks" are locked behind paid content so I'd have to buy those killers and survivors just to be able to play effectively and thats more than the game itself.
Fun fact: You probably saw that there is a 30 dollars pack for survivors and killers each. Well, they don't unlock characters up to a certain point. So in a year, this pack won't even give you all the unlicensed characters there are, like Mikaela or Vittorio or The Knight 😂
I'd say the game is more pay to compete rather than pay to win but I guess it's determined by how you, personally, define pay to win. I remember when I first started playing one of my first thoughts was "this game looks like a F2P game with how you get characters and how slow it is." I'm glad you brought up the strength difference between a F2P survivor and a F2P killer.
My definition of pay 2 win is any of the definitions that appear when you search the term “pay 2 win”, but I understand that a lot of people are set on: “Game where you can pay to win” like having the hatch spawn when you pay 1 dollar or stuff like that
@@MintSkull XD Don't give them ideas
JK that's a funny though tho
@@MintSkull You've expanded your definition of P2W to basically be all live service games. You can work a definition to fit the answer you want, and you've done so. You've done so to create the most drama and clicks.
And, it worked. I'm feeding the ALGO by commenting this.
Makes you kind of a hack though.
@@arkainin4638 My definition of Pay 2 Win is anything that alters the gameplay that is locked behind a paywall. In this game, this is the case. Now with the new patch, The Nurse's only good perks are currently paywalled. I don't get why you are wasting so much of your precious time commenting on every single reply as if it's going to change my mind about how the game fits the definition of pay 2 win. And my definition of pay 2 win is not personal to myself, it's literally the first definition you get when you search for it on the internet.
Yes, as long as in any live service game there is something locked behind a paywall, that game features a pay 2 win type of monetization. If your only counter argument to me is "you don't need it to win", well that does not disprove the fact that paying gives you an advantage. You don't need the advantage to win, does that make it any less of an advantage?
@@MintSkull By that definition literally any game that comes out with post-release content for pay is pay to win. No reasonable person would use this vague definition. It lets you basically make any claim toward it to make click drama. I'll assume you mean any content that is paywalled that provides some benefit instead. To which I would respond that paid content provides game play changes, not strictly benefit - as the game is quite playable and winnable at almost all levels of play without chapter perks. And, these perks are earnable in game, which makes it not pay to win, but pay to skip grind. Which I can see that being a valid criticism, but that's not how you approached this.
I've not looked at the new Nurse content yet. Can't comment. I will be annoyed if they locked new perks for an existing character behind a paywall.
I'm commenting because it entertains me to do so, I like debate, and I fundamentally disagree with your stance and the stance of many here. I also think you are trying very hard to logically find your way to the dreaded P2W word to make nice click bate and drama content. Which is annoying to me.
Not sure why a viewer engaging with your content should bother you? I thought that was the point, unless you simply want comments that agree with you.
Look, if you want to make the argument that all live services game are pay to win, then you can have that stance, but it's very broad and lacks any form of nuance or actual examination of monetization structures.
That is like me saying all jobs, no matter the content or value given or if you like them or not are bad because capitalism made you need to have them and I don't think capitalism is good.
I might be technically true based on my belief, but it adds nothing to the conversation and is basically just click bait.
And yes, if you do not need something to win, with basically the same effort given into it, then that's not an advantage. That's just a different strategy of play.
I also think the context how how you framed this matters. You came at this in a highly negative and victim claiming stance with your comments about expecting to be attacked for the video. It shows that you are wrapped up in the drama of the issue, or are at least very bias.
I'm only now trying to get into DBD but as much as I enjoy the game so far the game's perk system and its way of unlocking perks genuinely frustrates me to the point that I'm finding it difficult to keep on playing it
i think that all the perks should be available to unlock with ingame currency at anytime, so that the survivors are only cosmetic. this would also help killers get their meta build a bit easier with just grinding without buying a killer they dont care about.
There are so many killer/survivors in this game now, I think the best way to go would be to either make the game free to play or make more unlocked in the base game or even combine both options and have the shrine let you buy any perk at any given time. Most likely will have to buy each tier but that would still be a better jump.
Also I always wanna buy a cosmetic but can never justify the price in my head 😅
I feel like the game can comfortably go f2p at this point, I definitely agree.
@@Wolvahulkyeah but then you’d have people who paid for it whining like when csgo was made f2p maybe if they gave people who bought it extra currency or cosmetics or smth i’m all for it going f2p but they won’t because they know people would be pissed
An addition to the baffling thing that is the shrine mechanics: If there's a new tome level releasing, two perks in the shrine will always be the ones needed for the challenges in the new level. meaning the random perks are even lower in chance.
EDIT: Also, there would be good ways to make money out of cosmetics: Cosmetic packs, like they had back in the day, like the 80's suitcase or the Bloodstained Sack. They could have these packs for rift recolours, releasing alongside the rift (as in a pack with recolours (plural) for a new rift cosmetic, with one or two version only on the rift), in general have recolour packs for stuff they have in the store (imagine e.g. the outfits from the Cats&Dogs collection in different colours/patterns etc). They are already stuffing the rifts with recolours, so they might as well do something that makes a little more sense to me.
My god, I forgot about the cosmetic packs back in 2016! Yeah they are absolutely fantastic and I bought them day 1 even if I didn't need them! But, since people pay 10 dollars for outfits nowadays, and people DEFEND this by ridiculing and calling others entitled... well... there is no reason going back, is there?
@@MintSkull sadly yeah. but equally sadly I know a ton of people (myself included) that would ab-so-lute-ly buy recolour packs. Take for example the cats&dogs sweater for claudette: I would LOVE to have that in pink or light blue with white dots.
Another hidden Shrine mechanic is that newly released perks don't even appear in the shrine for a year.
The easiest way to fix it is just make it so you gain more shards tbh. They can never make the licenced content unlockable for free because its in the contracts but all the proprietary characters take WAY too long to unlock.
Amazing video, I cannot imagine the time this has taken to be put together and I seriously respect you for it! I'm certain that in the future you're going to be one of the top content creators for dbd at this rate
Man this is imo your best video yet, giving facts, I've been thinking about this for a while and you've given so much hard evidence, I hope you get the recognition you deserve for it, 👍well done lad
I completely agree with your points, that's why I prefer to use third party websites to buy dlcs at a much much lower price. I also think that survivors shouldn't cost the same as killers, because unlike survivors, killers have gameplays that are unique to each of them. This has led me to be sort of reluctant when it comes to playing or buying survivors.
which websites? asking for a friend...
@@aviaasu Instant gaming, I've used it for all my dlcs and it always worked.
@@leaucard5613 thank you for your answer, i'll check it
I've been feeling this a lot, i'm a new player and don't have the means to be buying the DLC, i'm trying to keep positive and keep the grind fun, but i've already got 2 killers on Prestige 3 and am only halfway there to buy a new killer for 9k shards, it's an awful system, i feel like i'm behind on everyone just bcuz I'm new, and then even more becuz i can't even do decent builds cuz i'm missing more than half the perks... it's really discouraging to play this game when you realize how much u need to grind to get something meaningfull
I hear you man. I'm returning after a long ass time. I walk in. Look at the wall of killers. How do I buy a new one? Oh. Pay up or grind a fuck ton. Sorry I have like maybe 2 hours every other day. No dice.
It honestly sucks. Before I started working I never unlocked anything. One month I bought 50 dollars of cells and bought every character. Now I spend 5 or 10 dollars every 3 months to keep up with the game. I got the game on game pass so I didn't spend 60 dollars on it but if I did I would be at probably 200 dollars invested in game. I love dbd. It's the game I play the most. The devs are definitely scummy and the game is hardly balanced. Unless you think you can keep playing this game for hundreds and thousands of hours, don't buy anything. It's not fair and not worth it.
I remember having like 20 hours into the game, looking at the shrine and once I figured out how it worked I thought "well ain't this a scam". Never opened the shrine page ever again in 1.4k hours