Correction to what I say at 2:47. That should have been an estimated 50 million people who died, not 500 million (that's the number of those infected). Sorry about that.
My father is a veterinary epidemiologist here in Costa Rica, and I for one have noticed him working much more nowadays, in matters related to controlling the spread through the coast and such.
I thought you would say you were concerned because the Russians reported that they had discovered laboratories in Ukraine where avian influence was being chimerized to make it contagious to humans.
Straight to the point, no mincing of words, intelligent and thorough, (and of course funny). Thank you Sabine for providing interesting factual videos that are helpful in providing understanding on a variety of topics. I love how you talk about certain topics that may be of a sensitive nature, particularly ones that people may have strong opinions on, in a way that seeks the truth from an objective stance without any agenda (how news should be delivered). Keep up the great work.
@@rickknight1810 She simplified a lot of things, which means that she dumbed it down. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it is concerning that you think she did not dumb it down for mass consumption.
Try reading and understanding the logic used in virus isolation papers for yourself...then come to your own conclusions....instead using your appeal to authority logical fallacy to make you feel like you know stuff. Appeal to authority leaves the door open to being fooled. Prove all things.
Just wanted to say I've been loving this channel for a bit, and keep up the good work. It is refreshing to be talked to like an adult not trying to cater to an algorithm.
Back in the early 2010s my wife worked at a WHO influenza monitoring lab. She said everyone there was mildly obsessed with The Pandemic to come. They had facility lockdown procedures that meant workers would be sequestered away form the rest of the population to work on a cure/monitor spread. They had a staff only anti-viral cache that were not to be used for friends or family. One of the old big-wigs there thought that anything highly contagious with a death rate around 10% or greater would lead to near total social collapse: workers would stop showing up for shifts at hospitals, power plants, and supermarkets, bulk transport would stop, law enforcement would break down. early 2020 must have been an exciting year for them... actually, I bet they were really pissed off that it was a coronavirus and not influenza.
Bird flu is terrifying to me. Florida has a population of sandhill cranes that have only been recovering in population in the last generation and they were in decline for a long time before. I don't want to see that progress lost. For us, those sandhill cranes are not just local wildlife. People care about them A LOT. To us, the sandhill cranes are that neighbor who does not speak the local language but they're very nice and everyone likes them and nobody has anything bad to say about them. I'm also worried about how this will affect our local Ibis population.
Thought, Sabine looks a bit tired today, but just read on Twitter, that she's ill. So brave to moderate here anyway for us. Wish her the best for recovery ❤
@@eudaenomic Which is nice because half the things she talks about give me a mild to moderate sense of existential dread a lot of the time but indeed her deadpan humor helps me keep from starting drinking again. That never goes well for anyone, especially the closest neighbors.
Ask W.H.O. , they were not onnest about corona , no investigation needed, and they ordered already the new vaccines , I guess next outbreak comes within 3 years years .
Get well soon, Professor. You are simply awesome. Nice top, by the way. Your content and the way you deliver it is just wonderful, Sabine. Get well soon, mate!❤
It's also called psittacosis - my mother and I caught this from a sick bird brushing our heads in flight and trying to land on our shoulders, in the exotic, walk-in aviary at Healesville Sanctuary in Victoria, Australia, in 1975. It nearly killed my Ma - she was hospitalised for nearly a month - and I [then 7 years old] was bed-ridden, feverish and apparently incomprehensible for over 2 weeks. This was in the days when no one used the word 'bird flu' and it was so rare for humans to catch, that even doctors could not immediately diagnose it. I don't remember anything of my illness, except sleeping as if under a spell for nearly the whole time - and losing nearly 5 kilos, which was a lot of weight for a small child doing nothing.
I do not know wether this is a problem of translation but psittacosis is caused by a bacterium, chlamydia psittacii, not a flu virus. Therefore they are not at all the same, even though someone might mistakenly use the terms interchangeably.
Oh my goodness I once had psittacosis but I didn't know that that is bird flu. It would have been 1987ish. All the doctor said was is something you catch from parrots etc, but at that point in time I did not have any contact with birds, although I had had a crow some years previously. Yes, it's horrible, I was very sick. They told me it was like meningitis. My brain was inflamed, it hurt so much. I thought I would die.
@@DannyD-lr5yg thank you. Yes, I hadn't ever thought it was, and I'm glad it's not for the fact that there's lots of bird flu around here right now, it would be awful if all the people started catching it. I wonder how I got it? I'll look it up now I have seen that other comment with the name of the bacteria, thank you!
Especially, don't make the mistake of optimizing your content for them. It's a one way trip that will attract more of those people and repel their opposites. It might make sense economically, but you will end up making videos you don't want to do.
youre watching youtube videos instead of reading papers because you have a short attention span. video length has more to do with the amount of time people are able to spend in their day on content
I worked for a Macaw conservation project in Costa Rica over the last year and the fear that this will be the final nail in the coffin of some already endangered species is quite significant.
As a former poultry farmer I have some points. 1. In the UK we have had bird flu continuously for the last 18 months which is unheard of. I then discover they are using PCR tests to identify infection ! Which is completely against the recomendation of Mullis who invented the PCR test. We have had a couple of people tesing positive for bird flu here. But here we go again, a couple of genetic fragments of Bird Flu does not constitute infection.
Thanks for the info Ken. As Sabine explained, it's down to bad luck. If a bird flu virus passes to a human who by chance also has a standard human flu, then that is the chance meeting that _could possibly_ spark a mutation of the two that then becomes transmissible, and contagious, in human beings. So rather than complaining about testing I would suggest keeping employees with cold/flu symptoms away from the birds at all times, until well after they get better.
@@garyt123 The bad luck is keeping animals in high intensity farms. It's bad design that might have been good decades ago. Time to move away from high intensity farming.
Animal farms should be closed, especially the ones for high-risk species like birds, minks, ferrets, pigs, etc. It's just irresponsible to go on like we don't know about zoonoses and accelerate the process of virus creation.
I live in Denmark and during covid, many mink farms got infected. As a result, all were closed and all mink were euthanized. I think they're only now allowing the industry back, after much debate about if we should allow the industry to continue or not. Personally, I say let's leave mink farms in the past. It's an unnecessary business and not worth the risk - and one of the animal industries with the worst animal welfare. The mink industry is terrible overall.
Agreed. Who wears fur these days anyway? I live in the mink's original native region and their importation for farming, some escaping and becoming invasive wild specials like N. American squirrels, and raccoons have become is a major problem in itself.
San you have drunk the coolaid........ Please show me any paper that shows the virus has been isolated for any virus let alone birdflu and I will give you the keys to my house....
One thing that's often overlooked about the Spanish Flu is that at that time, ventilators did not exist, nor did antibiotics (at least for the general public). It's very likely that most deaths were from secondary bacterial pneumonia, not the virus itself. If that were to happen today, a course of antibiotics would very likely get you back on your feet quickly.
Doctors told us to treat COVID by taking cold medicines and going to the ER if we couldn't breathe (stupid), but we took alternate-sourced anti-pneumonia drugs immediately upon symptoms, thereby heading off two cases of symptomatic pneumonia. Idiot Doctors couldn't find their asses with eyes on the back of their heads.
I remember one of our researchers saying she had that same thought but then found that there was a lot more viral pneumonia that antibiotics would not help.
Yes. We could at least consider eliminating factory farms, fur farms etc. I don't eat animal flesh. I know it tastes good, but not so good that I want to risk a pandemic that wipes out us out.
If the moral implications on exploiting sentient non human animals isn't enough, maybe people will take the zoonotic risk and moral implication of human death and suffering seriously. I hope so, for the sake of humans and non human animals.
Bird flu became pathogenic to humans in 1996 on a goose farm in, of all places, China. It reached the UK in 2005 under Blair's tenure as PM, I don't believe there were any deaths in Britain.
@@cassieoz1702 Do you mean monoculture resulting in zoonotic diseases? Or other diseases? I guess I'm not familiar with what you're referring to. I do know however that in the states at least, animal agriculture is a significant driver for monoculture demand.
I worked with FLU-A and B on my masters degree, its diferrent seeing you talk about a subject that i know, but is very cool, i allways thougth that the important facct about FLU is that his RNA are segmmented and that is very cool about it and, i also think that FLU is gona be the next pandemic because of that reason . like you i allways see your videos to learn about different sides of the science, expecialy about fisic. Cool video keep the nice work and have a nice week
People thought the flu was going to be the next pandemic before the last pandemic, too. Nobody thought it would be a corona virus. You just can't predict these things. There might be a totally different virus type coming out of left field.
Love your videos, Sabine! You have a rare talent of making complex subjects not only clear and understandable, but also entertaining. Thank you very much for that!
I’m curious to know your opinion on necessity of animal agriculture and whether as a society we should be aiming to move on from animal farming. I’m not 100% vegan but one of the reasons why I stopped eating meat, dairy and buying new leather was finding out just how much of a breeding ground for pandemics farms can be, how routinely antibiotics are used to prevent outbreaks, and also just in how much better shape our planet would be if we farmed more plants for human rather than animal consumption. I’d love to watch a video on that! Animal rights are a very divisive ethical issue and it’s been a challenge to find an unbiased source of information on the ecological aspects
There's no doubt that going vegan is what we should do. Antibiotic resistance will be a huge problem in the future. Eating the animals themselves also creates health issues like diabetes, heart disease, dementia, etc. Compared to a whole food plant based diet. It's incredibly nonsensical, but the industry has too much money to push propaganda, corruption and misinformation everywhere.
It is not black or white. We need animal products to maintain soils - manure and bone and blood are important soil amendments. There is a book called Meat by a journalist whose name I cannot remember right now that is well worth reading.
Antibiotics are not used to prevent viral outbreaks in animals. Antibiotics are useless against viruses. Some animals are given antibiotics to treat bacterial infections but that is a different matter
People will get in contact with animals. It doesn’t really matter that much if we keep life stock or not. If anything, modern farming techniques help to identify and stop outbreaks.
There is a very large difference between the big buisness factory models of raising protein for efficiency vs a real farm. Mink is a great example of that, mink coat,stole/hat was unaffordable as the mink were wild mink, caught one at a time. To increase customer access mink production started. Move that forward in which we buy protein and vegetables from companies cheaper than what farmers/ranchers can sell it for. Today our foods have double hits, inverse taxes and food grown/manufactured in another country on the other side of the earth transported frozen, canned or partially ripe, sprayed with antifungal, insecticides, sealers such as wax etc put into the ship containers on a boat spending week ot two burning fossil fuel to get to the otherside of the world. Then they are gathered from the shipping containers put into warehouses bought and sold to buisnesses trucked to their warehouses and put on your store shelves, cheaper than you can buy food grown on your countries land all due to big buisness factory models and inverse red tape taxes. A great example is the lowly onion from Turkey. Cheaper, carbon heavy, chemical heavy compared to onions grown 50 miles from your city. Antibiotics are for bacteria not pandemics. How do you differentiate between new leather and old leather. Carnivores have one stomach like you and herbivores have up to four to get by the defence chemicals of the plants. It sounds like plants work for your immune system, but others are very sensitive to some plants and some cannot thrive with any plant due the immune reaction. A protein (real) farm does not need flat cleared land and animals (grass fed) do not fart as much. A grain plant (real) farm rotates crops to ensure nutrients. High production needs flat land, needs it clear of plants so glycophosphate poison , then adds rock fertilzer, pesticides, then selective herbicides, then poison bug control, mass poisoning of mice, rabbits etc. Then glycophosphate is used for ripenening sequence. Then insecticide to kill spiders, anti fungus ready for transport. Even then salmonella e coli outbreaks occur. Free-trade is the enemy, because we do not see our food being made or grown, just as sending our plastics and garbage to other countries on ships through the recycling programs, China has stopped accepting our plastic garbage what does the majority of vegan vegetarian food come in, especially the vegan/vegetarian fast food???? plastic trays!!! Those cardboard paper spoons and cups are sprayed with microplastics, which slough easier, micro plastic of which are now found in the artic and antacrtic water biomes. Stop building towns cities in the valley bottoms of fertile wet land which had fauna and flora to purify and cool the water prior to entering the oceans. Build cities against on cliffs. Wanna be healthy and save the planet at the same time only eat what you can see being grown. Flora or fauna
I love your videos! I found you from my data structures professor and I'm so glad that I decided to watch some videos. Your rate of speech, density of information, and thorough explanations are perfect; 10/10 jokes lol.
Scientists have been keeping a close eye on bird flu for a very long time. An outbreak is a matter of when, not if. Given how much we know about it, how precise is our tracking of cases and the fact that we already have emergency plans prepared, I like to think the situation will be under control and end quickly when it eventually happens.
Back in the early 2000 more like 2002 and 2003 there was a pandemic of bird flu swine flu , and then there were no masks mandatory nor vac nor locks downs very strange , although the bird flu swine flu they claim was later on in the 2000s hmmm very interesting isn't China was where the swine flu bird flu came from back then , no there is lab meat or meat that is being made from plants too , smh
@Egon Freeman The mitigations everyone used for COVID were aimed at flu pandemics. We have existing infrastructure for rapidly producing flu vaccines for new strains since we do that every year. It would be bad, but it would become an opt-out pandemic faster than COVID did.
I am worried a lab strain adapted towards humans will leak out of a lab. In 2019 a researcher at the University of Wisconsin got infected with a lab modified version of Bird Flu. But the lab kept it secret and they did not follow proper quarantine measures. And for the some reason no news outlets reported this fact until this year in USA Today. Pretty scary stuff!
It’s highly unlikely for another pandemic to break out any time soon. Pandemics tend to run on 40-50 year cycles. There’s nothing guaranteeing this, of course, but seeing another pandemic before 2060 or so isn’t likely. And by then, we will hopefully be well prepared.
Yes. This. I seem to recall virologists and epidemiologists telling us all this about 20 - 25 years ago. You're absolutely right : that it hasn't happened *yet* doesn't make it less likely to happen soon.
I lke her message to stop pointing fingers and listen to scientist and be more prepared. On the other hand it shouldn't be used for fearmongering, it's not time to panic.
Avian Influenza jumping to humans or a Super Bug (Antibiotic Resistant) was what I expected as a pandemic, not what we got in 2019. I feel like COVID was a test pandemic and we failed, miserably.
I believe you are right! How did we fail? they wanted to push a certain culture on us, including wearing masks, self-quarantine/avoidance of other humans, and willingness to be guinea pigs for their experimental treatments! seems like a success to me! Now we are ready for a sequel, and JUST in time for the US presidential election! Can anyone say "4 more years of Biden"? Good! i knew you could!
I fear that after the utter omnishambles that was COVID-19, the levels of distrust sown by the utterly incompetent official response, such a new pandemic may end up making c19 look like a sniffle
My throat tickled so badly that I occasionally I had to cough. I suspect you are correct. The vast majority of the deaths were in the elderly. With the gross overreaction to Covid-19, it'll be hard for people to take a bird flu outbreak seriously until they see the impact first hand.
If you feed wild birds, wash hands after touching the materials in contact with the birds, clean places, water and items regularily and have an eye on bird that behave strange/ill. If that happens, you can tell NABU or similar organisations who'd be alarmed if they got more than just a few calls/mails of that kind, and a disease among wild birds can be realised and observed early (and in most places, these people really care. They'll know who to inform further in the process, so don't worry if you have no idea what to do at what time).
Great. As an old immune compromised guy living in an agricultural area, fabulous news. I will chat with my oncologist on Tuesday before chemo. Thanks for the heads up.
It's almost like animal welfare isnt actually a debate, and is necessary to prevent annihilate by disease. Humans evolved a visceral response to seeing animal abuse for a reason.
good luck telling China to regulate it's industrial food production, not to mention their open-air 'Wet Markets'... Though, speaking of recent events.. I've seen no evidence yet to support their specious claim of pangolin->bat->human transmission.. Preponderance of the evidence points to the alarmingly risky bat-virus lab, adjacent a city of 10 million people..
@@AriaHarmony Eat plant-based protein. Also, factory farming is generally done in high-income countries where people eat a much higher amount of animal protein than most of the 8 billion people in the world.
@@AriaHarmonybreed less, for a start. Reducing population will help. Treating the earth as the non-replacable asset that it is (instead of the current "tear it all up to line the pockets of capitalist billionaires" model) can also help. But, it really doesn't matter, we can't avoid the disaster we have begun by burning fossil fuels.
Scary. My ex wife made us get chickens. It was supposed to be a couple for eggs then she saw more she wanted and wound up with 30 for a year. Then we had a Newcastle disease outbreak, and in 3 days, everyone died. Same conditions and symptoms. It was horrible. I tried for 2 days to save them and lost half then had to put the rest down. My neighbors got sick because they had some too. Luckily they weren't to bad but I'm glad my mother hadn't come to visit. Thanks for running this channel. You always bring us actual good information as opposed to many others.
Fuck I have a pet parrot and I have no idea how I would keep her safe, she is so important to me, also parrot intelligence would be a great video topic!
@@SabineHossenfelder Your videos have comments that are full of whacky conspiracy nuts and malicious know-nothings. Have you noticed? Your contrarian schtick is good for getting UA-cam views but you are also drawing in those who frankly have failed at appreciating the modern world that science has delivered.
Years ago I recall reading an article the said that when tow different viruses enter the same cell, they can create a new virus from the combination. This means that sick humans being around sick birds can be a really bad idea as it can create a new bird virus that contagious in humans. Is this correct? If so, I think it would make for a great follow-on video.
Honestly, how much should I worry ... ? Not at all. There is nothing whatsoever at all that I can do to keep it from happening. If I can affect the outcome of something, I'll worry. Until then tbh, I am no longer freaking about anything anymore. There's just too much going on worth freaking out over, and I think I blew a panic fuse somewhere in my cerebellum.
Worrying is for the weak… however preparing for a range of possible scenarios with an amount of concern proportional to your risk tolerance is just called prudence. Keeping things from happening isn’t generally an individual sport; seeing what’s coming and having a plan certainly is.
@@jhunt5578 that's a very simplistic way of looking at things. If you start looking at life this way we can just as well all kill ourselves or go back to the stone age. It's not realistic to expect everyday people who just try to have a somewhat decent life to be able to make these kind of moral statements. And even if we all try our hardest, there is cognitive dissonance. We know what's good and bad for the world and the future, but we cannot stop ourselves from doing it anyways. Not defending it, but realistically the change has to come from governments and institutions, not from individuals themselves.
@@Jake12220 The end of the world as we know it happens every day, and every time you wake up there’s a different world waiting for you. Why anyone would care that the end of all sentient creatures suddenly coming to pass would be a problem to anyone is beyond me…you wouldn’t be around long enough to give a shit.
The US poultry industry is recording four times record profits. Why can't they invest in our safety by vaccination and safety protocols? We should legislate this as an emergency. We found the seasonal flu was almost eliminated with Covid protocols.
was it 'eliminated' or simply 'misidentified' as CVD! Our governments gave more money to places that had high-infection rates of CVD, and not for anything else. So since we rewarded BigHealthcare with funding, guess what we got more of? Any guesses?
Omg you are right!! Let us just mass test on something and then something else will disapear. We can beat every disease with statistics, haleluja we found the cure!
This and many other related subjects have also been discussed in good detail in a well written book by Frank M. Snowden “Epidemics and Society: From the Black Death to the Present”. The fact that this book was published right before the most recent pandemic , makes it even more interesting as many observations and conclusions appeared in line with the observations.
This and other viruses are a "problem" for humans now, specifically *because* of animal farming. We opened ourselves to these pathogens via farming, especially in crowded, concentrated conditions. Animal farming has also exacerbated this issue and adversely impacted wild avian populations (yet more anthropogenically induced challenges). While individuals birds in wild populations do pass the virus to one another, the infection is self-limiting, usually because sick birds are ostracized and the quickness of the course of the infection, for example. This is a problem largely of our own making, and it can be mitigated and dramatically reduced. The solution is truly simple and effective, too, and vaccines are not the answer. Changing our behavior and demands is the answer.
Sabine - please do a video analysing Europe wide current, above trend, death statistics. The increase in AF, clots and strokes is remarkable. This video on the other hand could have been written by the WHO - which wouldn't be a recommendation 🤔
Battery farm birds are very unhealthy with compromised immune systems. Consequently, they infect each other and many die. Thankfully, they can't fly and spread it so the only possible spread is due to careless humans. The carelessness includes allowing contact with other types of bird.
This is very disturbing. We should immediately get doctor Faucci and his friends at the Wuhan lab to work on this to figure out how easily it might mutate to infect humans. Oh wait a minute, on second thought maybe that's not such a great idea after all.
Some of the photos near the beginning and end of this video reveal a major reason -- unfortunately not discussed at all -- for the wildfire spread of the bird flu: Chicken coops. These particular ones are factory farms, but the same thing would happen in smaller chicken coops, just needing to more frequently jump gaps between crowded chicken growing facilities. When you have animals that close, the virus is going to spread without needing to ensure it doesn't disable its hosts too quickly. The same thing happened in the hospitals on the tail end of World War I -- huge numbers of wounded people kept together, which let the virus spread without needing to mitigate its effects on the hosts. So the big takeaway is that we should stop eating animals, starting with cutting out the factory farms, but also getting rid of all operations in which we keep animals concentrated in captivity. Even if you care nothing about animal rights, this is a public health issue. Of course, this isn't going to happen, because farming animals for food -- especially in factory operations -- is just too profitable.
Unfortunately, because of the antivaxx sentiment that blossomed during the COVID outbreak, along with the subsequent denial of potential viral lethality, there will be a lot of push-back WHEN a really virulent pathogen causes another pandemic. It will be uncontainable and very devastating because of the lack of personal responsibility that will prevail. This is the result of the government incompetency that we saw during COVID that, at least partially, spawned new and intensified preexisting denialist mindsets.
Very good, thank you. Speaking as a (retired, thank God) doctor this rightly worrying video is just the tip of the iceberg. COVID-19 as a recent example is highly mutagenic and has not gone away, we're just ignoring it. Far worse, rather than being taken as a timely warning that did relatively little harm (apart from millions dead!) the world's attitude toward 'plagues' is even more blasé than before. To put things in perspective Bubonic Plague killed up to 50% of Europe's population in multiple waves, with likely an even higher death toll in Asia. When compared to today those populations were far less dense, far less mobile, and far less reliant on infrastructure... a conservative estimate would suggest when (not if!) a similarly devastating 'plague' strikes again the death toll could be as high as 90% worldwide when secondary infrastructure collapse is taken in to account. One of these 'Bird Flus' could be that next 'plague', but is just one of a great many possibilities old and new. So... when the next 'proper' pandemic / plague strikes YOU have a roughly 1in10 chance of survival, but what will be left of civilisation when the other 9in10 have finished dying? This will happen, maybe tomorrow, maybe in 200 years but probably not longer. The idiotic thing is we have the ability to stop such 'plagues' in their tracks right now, and COVID gave us a dry run at testing that ability - we failed badly, and even worse we are now pretending that everything is fine. PS: Antivirals like Tamiflu are not the answer. Would I take it if I were infected with a 'Bird Flu' stain that might have a 50% mortality rate? Absolutely! But these drugs are far from 100% effective and are themselves not particularly 'safe' - antivirals are NOT like most antibiotics.
If all farms kept there animals in a more natural environment and no intensive farming this would not be a problem. I don’t keep my birds in huge sheds they are in small flocks small houses all free range and happy and they live to a ripe old age. Making money should not come before welfare.
One thing I noticed since moving from USA to Brazil is that people in each country have a very different sense of risk, especialy when it comes to the spreading of germs. From my perspective as an American, Brazilians seem to be completely indifferent to germs in every context.
Excellent! Detailed, to the point, super clear, I will kill to have this ability you have to explain something so complicated, so clear for us the clueless bunch, thank you
I had thought the Spanish Flu had been traced back to pig farms in Kansas and Iowa, and spread during WW1 with the American Expeditionary Force. Trench warfare didn't help, either. It was first reported in Spain, thus the name.
First reported in Spain... Because apparently wartime censors in Allied & Central powers nations intentionally suppressed coverage to keep morale up. 😞
That is the most common explanation, but it's impossible to determine, since the flu was not taken seriously in the early days and documentation was unreliable. It was brought in and spread initially by American soldiers though. I also remember it being a swine flu and not avian. But it could be avian. It would explain the deadly outcomes.
It wasn't first reported in Spain just as it was during WW Spain was one of the few places where media wasn't stopped from reporting on it in any major way
Why is this not more strongly linked to our habit of eating meat in the first place? One might think that the habit of eating meat is worth the extra risk of pandemics, but to not clearly mention that changing our eating habits may decrease that risk, and present scientific estimations, serves no one. Maybe there are no such scientific estimations, but there ought to be, if we want all relevant data.
Preparing us for a new pandemic lock down? What are the chances of it moving from birds to humans. The last Bird flu had very little chance. Unless you worked in a poultry factory. Stirring it a bit here more than anything else, chances are it was manufactured in a lab. What about cat flu? Mouse flu? Ant flu? Horse flu? Any flu?
It is not manufactured, it is just a banality. Animals are more likely to get sick if stacked in a small place. If they would really care about the animals they would make regulations of better facililties with more space. A lot of money is made with animal vaccines too, and it is good narative to scaremonger us with zoonose.
The jump in egg prices was due to greedflation not shortage, or at least not entirely shortage. The biggest egg supplier in the US didn't lose any chickens, and prices dropped just in time for Easter when people were thinking of going with plastic eggs instead.
What is your source for saying that they didn't lose any chickens? Reuters, the BBC, and all the biggest newspapers in the US all report that between 55-60 million chickens and turkeys died of the avian flu in the US during the 2022 season. Sensational ill-informed comments like this do not help.
@@foodconnoisseur9321 sure buddy. It's not like inflation is at a record high and at the same time companies are making record profits. It's all just a big conspiracy by the communists!
I remember a study in gain of function on the bird flu of 2014. They identified also that only a few missions were needed for the virus to become transmisible to humans. But those same mutations made the new virus much less lethal, even less than regular human flu. Does anybody know if they checked the same for this one?
Thank you for a very informative presentation Sabine. I would have also been interested in knowing just how much gain of function research is currently going on with bird flu strains and the associated risks.
In 2019 apparently a researcher at the university of Wisconsin got infected with a GoF bird flu strain and the university neglected to warn the public or follow proper quarantine measures. And we just learned about it this year via FOIA!
One of my teachers at Primary School scared the sh*t out of me by describing how you could get Psittacosis from a pigeon dying in the roof spaces via mites.
In Poland we got cats getting birdflu and dying (pretty much 99%death rate) probably through raw meat but they uncertain. In one of the news they said there was birdflu outbreak near south America in marine mammals so it got through species barrier couple of times recently ☹️ Edit: 10:16 sea lions in Peru ☹️
I'm glad you talked about this. It's important people hear the data in a considered, non-biased way. I know it's hard to want to think about preparedness following the "end" of the covid pandemic, but I think the lessons need to be learned for next time
The lesson learned is that pharmaceutical industries will create lethal viruses, release them into the public and then offer dubious 'vaccines' as a 'cure' for the viruses they created. Thereby making VAST profits as millions of us die prematurely.
@/ "efficient public health policy implementations." You mean like the dumb mask mandates and idiotic CDC-approved "keep six feet apart" social distancing signage? That garbage?
I work at a wildlife rehabilitation center. We’ve been getting a lot of birds testing positive, mostly goslings and ducklings. The occasional adult goose. The people who bring them in have extremely close contact with these animals, often cuddling them and taking photos. We take protocols at the clinic to make sure there isn’t bird to human transfer of the flu but these people outside seem to have no idea of the dangers
If they would quarantine instead of straight killing infected ones, they might find survivors and breed them. Imagine how valuable would be a strain of immune chickens.
@@4203105replacing normal chickens in the food supply with immune chickens would shut down the spread forever, or at least eliminate large reservoirs where the virus lingers. Also the new chickens may have other enhanced abilities and could use them to fight crime.
That's not how this works. Humans need annual flu shots. You probably don't know anything about bird immunity but here you are with your theory. In the mean time more birds die than would have if you euthanized infected flocks
I really want to believe the viewers of this channel are all smart enough to understand that this is simply information, and that we should be aware and cautious. But I fear that with a group this large, a certain percent of them are going to come from this video telling everybody, "The end is near! The birds are coming for us! Frau Hossenfelder said so." And then they will go buy all of the toilet paper.
Maybe the time has come to abolish commercial mink farming entirely. The risk of those farms being an extremely dangerous threat to world health is too severe. Also, mink farming is primarily for mink furs; and I don't think we should be potentially risking the lives of most of the human population just for a rich person luxury clothing product.
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Correction to what I say at 2:47. That should have been an estimated 50 million people who died, not 500 million (that's the number of those infected). Sorry about that.
How dangerous are experimental and unapproved mRNA Gene Transfection Therapies Sabine?
There's lots to be scared about
Meh what's a factor of 10 among frens
@@notanemoprog all the factors are not known. Wait and see what the fallout is.
The sheep will need to be examined down the track Mr EMOFROG
It happens!
It's unacceptable. How will you make it up to me?
My father is a veterinary epidemiologist here in Costa Rica, and I for one have noticed him working much more nowadays, in matters related to controlling the spread through the coast and such.
_Birdspreading_ is almost as toxic as _manspreading_
There was no "spread" it was the chicken feed making them sick, Bird flu is a hoax. "bird flu" is NOT REAL.
Throw All those "science degrees" out the window.
6:49 People working or near bird or mink farms should be vax for prevention?
I thought you would say you were concerned because the Russians reported that they had discovered laboratories in Ukraine where avian influence was being chimerized to make it contagious to humans.
Straight to the point, no mincing of words, intelligent and thorough, (and of course funny). Thank you Sabine for providing interesting factual videos that are helpful in providing understanding on a variety of topics. I love how you talk about certain topics that may be of a sensitive nature, particularly ones that people may have strong opinions on, in a way that seeks the truth from an objective stance without any agenda (how news should be delivered). Keep up the great work.
It's so gratifying to find someone who delves into matters like this without dumbing anything down.
but it is dumbed down?
@@tellmey1 No, Sabine keeps it high-level, which I really like.
@Nobody Important Interesting thought.
@@rickknight1810 She simplified a lot of things, which means that she dumbed it down.
There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it is concerning that you think she did not dumb it down for mass consumption.
Try reading and understanding the logic used in virus isolation papers for yourself...then come to your own conclusions....instead using your appeal to authority logical fallacy to make you feel like you know stuff. Appeal to authority leaves the door open to being fooled. Prove all things.
Just wanted to say I've been loving this channel for a bit, and keep up the good work. It is refreshing to be talked to like an adult not trying to cater to an algorithm.
nice irony
Back in the early 2010s my wife worked at a WHO influenza monitoring lab. She said everyone there was mildly obsessed with The Pandemic to come. They had facility lockdown procedures that meant workers would be sequestered away form the rest of the population to work on a cure/monitor spread. They had a staff only anti-viral cache that were not to be used for friends or family. One of the old big-wigs there thought that anything highly contagious with a death rate around 10% or greater would lead to near total social collapse: workers would stop showing up for shifts at hospitals, power plants, and supermarkets, bulk transport would stop, law enforcement would break down. early 2020 must have been an exciting year for them... actually, I bet they were really pissed off that it was a coronavirus and not influenza.
Let's have the address of those places. Might be a nice field trip to visit them.
yeah the 10% death rate causing societal failure /econ failure, is what i've read as well.
The bubonic plague and smallpox had fatality rates around 30% in the Middle Ages, and societies didn't collapse. They even kept on fighting.
@@Lucius_ChiaraviglioHigher mortality =/= societal collapse, and a high mortality rate in the middle ages doesn't mean much.
@@LevinLaniakea The first part is what I'm saying. And sadly, you might even be right about the second part.
Bird flu is terrifying to me. Florida has a population of sandhill cranes that have only been recovering in population in the last generation and they were in decline for a long time before. I don't want to see that progress lost.
For us, those sandhill cranes are not just local wildlife. People care about them A LOT. To us, the sandhill cranes are that neighbor who does not speak the local language but they're very nice and everyone likes them and nobody has anything bad to say about them.
I'm also worried about how this will affect our local Ibis population.
Thought, Sabine looks a bit tired today, but just read on Twitter, that she's ill. So brave to moderate here anyway for us. Wish her the best for recovery ❤
Bird flu ?
@@thierrylandrieu7441 German work ethic.
@@paulohagan3309 "work" *woke
@@notanemoprog ?
@@notanemoprog that's why you call them chairmans HUEHUEHUE
Sabine, I was browsing your old videos and I must say I’m quite impressed with how far you’ve come. Great work! Keep it going!
Sabine on April 1: "Everything is fine and everyone is doing productive, meaningful work."
She's very witty and offering many quips during her presentation.
@@eudaenomic Which is nice because half the things she talks about give me a mild to moderate sense of existential dread a lot of the time but indeed her deadpan humor helps me keep from starting drinking again. That never goes well for anyone, especially the closest neighbors.
Evil Sabine: no, the phone won't ring
April fools... You didn't get it?
Ask W.H.O. , they were not onnest about corona , no investigation needed, and they ordered already the new
vaccines , I guess next outbreak comes within 3 years years .
You’re a great teacher Sabine. Thank you for sharing your skills across the world.
Please keep doing these science updates. I am truly hooked. I look forward to each and every one!
Thank you for your hard work; I know these videos are a lot of editing
We all really appreciate your efforts 🙏🏻💕😎
You do know the whole study of virology is a hoax..... Show me one study that isolate any virus and I will change my mind ...
Get well soon, Professor.
You are simply awesome.
Nice top, by the way.
Your content and the way you deliver it is just wonderful, Sabine.
Get well soon, mate!❤
that top looks... inside-out, no? lol
It's also called psittacosis - my mother and I caught this from a sick bird brushing our heads in flight and trying to land on our shoulders, in the exotic, walk-in aviary at Healesville Sanctuary in Victoria, Australia, in 1975. It nearly killed my Ma - she was hospitalised for nearly a month - and I [then 7 years old] was bed-ridden, feverish and apparently incomprehensible for over 2 weeks. This was in the days when no one used the word 'bird flu' and it was so rare for humans to catch, that even doctors could not immediately diagnose it. I don't remember anything of my illness, except sleeping as if under a spell for nearly the whole time - and losing nearly 5 kilos, which was a lot of weight for a small child doing nothing.
I do not know wether this is a problem of translation but psittacosis is caused by a bacterium, chlamydia psittacii, not a flu virus.
Therefore they are not at all the same, even though someone might mistakenly use the terms interchangeably.
Oh my goodness I once had psittacosis but I didn't know that that is bird flu. It would have been 1987ish. All the doctor said was is something you catch from parrots etc, but at that point in time I did not have any contact with birds, although I had had a crow some years previously. Yes, it's horrible, I was very sick. They told me it was like meningitis. My brain was inflamed, it hurt so much. I thought I would die.
@@kouranko psittacosis isn’t the same as bird flu. The person above me explains the difference more thoroughly. That said, I’m glad you’re ok!
@@DannyD-lr5yg thank you. Yes, I hadn't ever thought it was, and I'm glad it's not for the fact that there's lots of bird flu around here right now, it would be awful if all the people started catching it. I wonder how I got it? I'll look it up now I have seen that other comment with the name of the bacteria, thank you!
@@ralfazemat8792 thanks for the information!
Don’t listen to those with short attention spans. More is better!!!
Especially, don't make the mistake of optimizing your content for them. It's a one way trip that will attract more of those people and repel their opposites. It might make sense economically, but you will end up making videos you don't want to do.
What about pizza topping?
@@ukeedge2761 put that pineapple down and step away…
That’s right! People with short attention spans su….HEY! SQUIRREL!!!
youre watching youtube videos instead of reading papers because you have a short attention span. video length has more to do with the amount of time people are able to spend in their day on content
I worked for a Macaw conservation project in Costa Rica over the last year and the fear that this will be the final nail in the coffin of some already endangered species is quite significant.
As a former poultry farmer I have some points. 1. In the UK we have had bird flu continuously for the last 18 months which is unheard of. I then discover they are using PCR tests to identify infection ! Which is completely against the recomendation of Mullis who invented the PCR test. We have had a couple of people tesing positive for bird flu here. But here we go again, a couple of genetic fragments of Bird Flu does not constitute infection.
We have learned nothing from the Covid response.
Thank you that was helpful.
Thanks for the info Ken. As Sabine explained, it's down to bad luck. If a bird flu virus passes to a human who by chance also has a standard human flu, then that is the chance meeting that _could possibly_ spark a mutation of the two that then becomes transmissible, and contagious, in human beings. So rather than complaining about testing I would suggest keeping employees with cold/flu symptoms away from the birds at all times, until well after they get better.
@@garyt123 The bad luck is keeping animals in high intensity farms. It's bad design that might have been good decades ago. Time to move away from high intensity farming.
Animal farms should be closed, especially the ones for high-risk species like birds, minks, ferrets, pigs, etc.
It's just irresponsible to go on like we don't know about zoonoses and accelerate the process of virus creation.
I live in Denmark and during covid, many mink farms got infected. As a result, all were closed and all mink were euthanized. I think they're only now allowing the industry back, after much debate about if we should allow the industry to continue or not. Personally, I say let's leave mink farms in the past. It's an unnecessary business and not worth the risk - and one of the animal industries with the worst animal welfare. The mink industry is terrible overall.
Agreed. Who wears fur these days anyway? I live in the mink's original native region and their importation for farming, some escaping and becoming invasive wild specials like N. American squirrels, and raccoons have become is a major problem in itself.
San you have drunk the coolaid........ Please show me any paper that shows the virus has been isolated for any virus let alone birdflu and I will give you the keys to my house....
you are not wrong
Chinese again, they are the biggest buyers of fur.
@@garyfumeaux9226 If I thought the house was clean I would've just taken your house!
890k, Sabine. I bet you'll be at a cool million before the years out. I'm so happy for your well deserved success. Here's to your gold play button :)
One thing that's often overlooked about the Spanish Flu is that at that time, ventilators did not exist, nor did antibiotics (at least for the general public). It's very likely that most deaths were from secondary bacterial pneumonia, not the virus itself. If that were to happen today, a course of antibiotics would very likely get you back on your feet quickly.
Doctors told us to treat COVID by taking cold medicines and going to the ER if we couldn't breathe (stupid), but we took alternate-sourced anti-pneumonia drugs immediately upon symptoms, thereby heading off two cases of symptomatic pneumonia. Idiot Doctors couldn't find their asses with eyes on the back of their heads.
I remember one of our researchers saying she had that same thought but then found that there was a lot more viral pneumonia that antibiotics would not help.
As always when it comes to industrial size animal farming it's not if, it's when zoonoseses will get epidemic or even pandemic.
Yes. We could at least consider eliminating factory farms, fur farms etc. I don't eat animal flesh. I know it tastes good, but not so good that I want to risk a pandemic that wipes out us out.
If the moral implications on exploiting sentient non human animals isn't enough, maybe people will take the zoonotic risk and moral implication of human death and suffering seriously.
I hope so, for the sake of humans and non human animals.
Bird flu became pathogenic to humans in 1996 on a goose farm in, of all places, China. It reached the UK in 2005 under Blair's tenure as PM, I don't believe there were any deaths in Britain.
@@Gwilfaweit's more the same problem as with broadcast monoculture in plant agriculture, too many of one species jammed too close together.
@@cassieoz1702 Do you mean monoculture resulting in zoonotic diseases? Or other diseases?
I guess I'm not familiar with what you're referring to.
I do know however that in the states at least, animal agriculture is a significant driver for monoculture demand.
I worked with FLU-A and B on my masters degree, its diferrent seeing you talk about a subject that i know, but is very cool, i allways thougth that the important facct about FLU is that his RNA are segmmented and that is very cool about it and, i also think that FLU is gona be the next pandemic because of that reason . like you i allways see your videos to learn about different sides of the science, expecialy about fisic. Cool video keep the nice work and have a nice week
People thought the flu was going to be the next pandemic before the last pandemic, too. Nobody thought it would be a corona virus.
You just can't predict these things. There might be a totally different virus type coming out of left field.
Love your videos, Sabine!
You have a rare talent of making complex subjects not only clear and understandable, but also entertaining.
Thank you very much for that!
I’m curious to know your opinion on necessity of animal agriculture and whether as a society we should be aiming to move on from animal farming. I’m not 100% vegan but one of the reasons why I stopped eating meat, dairy and buying new leather was finding out just how much of a breeding ground for pandemics farms can be, how routinely antibiotics are used to prevent outbreaks, and also just in how much better shape our planet would be if we farmed more plants for human rather than animal consumption. I’d love to watch a video on that! Animal rights are a very divisive ethical issue and it’s been a challenge to find an unbiased source of information on the ecological aspects
There's no doubt that going vegan is what we should do. Antibiotic resistance will be a huge problem in the future. Eating the animals themselves also creates health issues like diabetes, heart disease, dementia, etc. Compared to a whole food plant based diet. It's incredibly nonsensical, but the industry has too much money to push propaganda, corruption and misinformation everywhere.
It is not black or white. We need animal products to maintain soils - manure and bone and blood are important soil amendments. There is a book called Meat by a journalist whose name I cannot remember right now that is well worth reading.
Antibiotics are not used to prevent viral outbreaks in animals. Antibiotics are useless against viruses.
Some animals are given antibiotics to treat bacterial infections but that is a different matter
People will get in contact with animals. It doesn’t really matter that much if we keep life stock or not. If anything, modern farming techniques help to identify and stop outbreaks.
There is a very large difference between the big buisness factory models of raising protein for efficiency vs a real farm. Mink is a great example of that, mink coat,stole/hat was unaffordable as the mink were wild mink, caught one at a time. To increase customer access mink production started.
Move that forward in which we buy protein and vegetables from companies cheaper than what farmers/ranchers can sell it for. Today our foods have double hits, inverse taxes and food grown/manufactured in another country on the other side of the earth transported frozen, canned or partially ripe, sprayed with antifungal, insecticides, sealers such as wax etc put into the ship containers on a boat spending week ot two burning fossil fuel to get to the otherside of the world. Then they are gathered from the shipping containers put into warehouses bought and sold to buisnesses trucked to their warehouses and put on your store shelves, cheaper than you can buy food grown on your countries land all due to big buisness factory models and inverse red tape taxes. A great example is the lowly onion from Turkey. Cheaper, carbon heavy, chemical heavy compared to onions grown 50 miles from your city.
Antibiotics are for bacteria not pandemics. How do you differentiate between new leather and old leather.
Carnivores have one stomach like you and herbivores have up to four to get by the defence chemicals of the plants. It sounds like plants work for your immune system, but others are very sensitive to some plants and some cannot thrive with any plant due the immune reaction.
A protein (real) farm does not need flat cleared land and animals (grass fed) do not fart as much. A grain plant (real) farm rotates crops to ensure nutrients.
High production needs flat land, needs it clear of plants so glycophosphate poison , then adds rock fertilzer, pesticides, then selective herbicides, then poison bug control, mass poisoning of mice, rabbits etc. Then glycophosphate is used for ripenening sequence. Then insecticide to kill spiders, anti fungus ready for transport. Even then salmonella e coli outbreaks occur.
Free-trade is the enemy, because we do not see our food being made or grown, just as sending our plastics and garbage to other countries on ships through the recycling programs, China has stopped accepting our plastic garbage what does the majority of vegan vegetarian food come in, especially the vegan/vegetarian fast food???? plastic trays!!! Those cardboard paper spoons and cups are sprayed with microplastics, which slough easier, micro plastic of which are now found in the artic and antacrtic water biomes. Stop building towns cities in the valley bottoms of fertile wet land which had fauna and flora to purify and cool the water prior to entering the oceans. Build cities against on cliffs. Wanna be healthy and save the planet at the same time only eat what you can see being grown. Flora or fauna
I had H5N1 in 1997 and am very lucky to have survived, that's not something I'd want anyone to have to go through.
Did you recover fully or did the infection result in any long-term sequelae?
... what kind of bird did you kiss?
@@_Alfa.Bravo_A Liverbird.
I love your videos! I found you from my data structures professor and I'm so glad that I decided to watch some videos. Your rate of speech, density of information, and thorough explanations are perfect; 10/10 jokes lol.
Scientists have been keeping a close eye on bird flu for a very long time. An outbreak is a matter of when, not if. Given how much we know about it, how precise is our tracking of cases and the fact that we already have emergency plans prepared, I like to think the situation will be under control and end quickly when it eventually happens.
Back in the early 2000 more like 2002 and 2003 there was a pandemic of bird flu swine flu , and then there were no masks mandatory nor vac nor locks downs very strange , although the bird flu swine flu they claim was later on in the 2000s hmmm very interesting isn't
China was where the swine flu bird flu came from back then , no there is lab meat or meat that is being made from plants too , smh
Unfortunate. No fu-
@Egon Freeman The mitigations everyone used for COVID were aimed at flu pandemics. We have existing infrastructure for rapidly producing flu vaccines for new strains since we do that every year. It would be bad, but it would become an opt-out pandemic faster than COVID did.
I am worried a lab strain adapted towards humans will leak out of a lab. In 2019 a researcher at the University of Wisconsin got infected with a lab modified version of Bird Flu. But the lab kept it secret and they did not follow proper quarantine measures. And for the some reason no news outlets reported this fact until this year in USA Today. Pretty scary stuff!
It’s highly unlikely for another pandemic to break out any time soon. Pandemics tend to run on 40-50 year cycles.
There’s nothing guaranteeing this, of course, but seeing another pandemic before 2060 or so isn’t likely. And by then, we will hopefully be well prepared.
Thank you Sabine!!
I'm sick and tired of being scared. Whatever will be will be.
Thanks a lot for your work. You are a great asset for humanity.
Yes. This.
I seem to recall virologists and epidemiologists telling us all this about 20 - 25 years ago. You're absolutely right : that it hasn't happened *yet* doesn't make it less likely to happen soon.
Yes, that is Bill Gates thought too. It scares me, how stupidly people were wearing masks, took the jab, hid from people, killed their pets....
I lke her message to stop pointing fingers and listen to scientist and be more prepared. On the other hand it shouldn't be used for fearmongering, it's not time to panic.
Avian Influenza jumping to humans or a Super Bug (Antibiotic Resistant) was what I expected as a pandemic, not what we got in 2019. I feel like COVID was a test pandemic and we failed, miserably.
I believe you are right! How did we fail? they wanted to push a certain culture on us, including wearing masks, self-quarantine/avoidance of other humans, and willingness to be guinea pigs for their experimental treatments! seems like a success to me! Now we are ready for a sequel, and JUST in time for the US presidential election! Can anyone say "4 more years of Biden"? Good! i knew you could!
Yes. We didn't rise up and murder our leaders. Very disappointing.
I fear that after the utter omnishambles that was COVID-19, the levels of distrust sown by the utterly incompetent official response, such a new pandemic may end up making c19 look like a sniffle
It was a sniffle 🤧
Incompetence on the right.
My throat tickled so badly that I occasionally I had to cough. I suspect you are correct. The vast majority of the deaths were in the elderly. With the gross overreaction to Covid-19, it'll be hard for people to take a bird flu outbreak seriously until they see the impact first hand.
@@ThatOpalGuy Why do so many Americans reduce every complex issue to a simple matter of "left" versus "right"?
@@rclrd1 They only have 2 hands
Sabine, sorry to hear you’re “under the weather”. Please take care & get well soon.
Someone get her a booster!!!!!
If you feed wild birds, wash hands after touching the materials in contact with the birds, clean places, water and items regularily and have an eye on bird that behave strange/ill.
If that happens, you can tell NABU or similar organisations who'd be alarmed if they got more than just a few calls/mails of that kind, and a disease among wild birds can be realised and observed early (and in most places, these people really care. They'll know who to inform further in the process, so don't worry if you have no idea what to do at what time).
Great. As an old immune compromised guy living in an agricultural area, fabulous news. I will chat with my oncologist on Tuesday before chemo. Thanks for the heads up.
It almost seems like massive scale factory farming wasn't the best idea after all. Thank you for the great video!
It's almost like animal welfare isnt actually a debate, and is necessary to prevent annihilate by disease.
Humans evolved a visceral response to seeing animal abuse for a reason.
Well what can we do to feed 8 billion people and growing?
good luck telling China to regulate it's industrial food production, not to mention their open-air 'Wet Markets'...
Though, speaking of recent events.. I've seen no evidence yet to support their specious claim of pangolin->bat->human transmission..
Preponderance of the evidence points to the alarmingly risky bat-virus lab, adjacent a city of 10 million people..
@@AriaHarmony Eat plant-based protein. Also, factory farming is generally done in high-income countries where people eat a much higher amount of animal protein than most of the 8 billion people in the world.
@@AriaHarmonybreed less, for a start. Reducing population will help. Treating the earth as the non-replacable asset that it is (instead of the current "tear it all up to line the pockets of capitalist billionaires" model) can also help.
But, it really doesn't matter, we can't avoid the disaster we have begun by burning fossil fuels.
Been looking for this information. Very well done. Thank you!
Scary. My ex wife made us get chickens. It was supposed to be a couple for eggs then she saw more she wanted and wound up with 30 for a year. Then we had a Newcastle disease outbreak, and in 3 days, everyone died. Same conditions and symptoms. It was horrible. I tried for 2 days to save them and lost half then had to put the rest down. My neighbors got sick because they had some too. Luckily they weren't to bad but I'm glad my mother hadn't come to visit. Thanks for running this channel. You always bring us actual good information as opposed to many others.
Ex because the old boiler got N'castle and snuffed it?
Thanks for finding scary stuff and sharing it with us! 🧐
Yeah, well, I was hoping I'd have something to debunk, but didn't work out that way.
Hope never dies
Fuck I have a pet parrot and I have no idea how I would keep her safe, she is so important to me, also parrot intelligence would be a great video topic!
@@Benjamin_Gilbert-Lif Well maybe she had someone important for her at the forest
@@SabineHossenfelder Your videos have comments that are full of whacky conspiracy nuts and malicious know-nothings. Have you noticed? Your contrarian schtick is good for getting UA-cam views but you are also drawing in those who frankly have failed at appreciating the modern world that science has delivered.
Dear Sabine, first thank you for the knowledge 🌈💚and second thank you for you humor! 🦋🌸
When will we see your video on the potential and actual risks of Covid vaccines? That would be a real service to mankind.
Years ago I recall reading an article the said that when tow different viruses enter the same cell, they can create a new virus from the combination. This means that sick humans being around sick birds can be a really bad idea as it can create a new bird virus that contagious in humans. Is this correct? If so, I think it would make for a great follow-on video.
Is it surprising? Just in UK slaughterhouses there are ~100 million chickens killed every month. That's about 38/sec!
This is crazy! Thank you for talking about it!
Honestly, how much should I worry ... ? Not at all. There is nothing whatsoever at all that I can do to keep it from happening. If I can affect the outcome of something, I'll worry. Until then tbh, I am no longer freaking about anything anymore. There's just too much going on worth freaking out over, and I think I blew a panic fuse somewhere in my cerebellum.
Do you support the industry financially that's doing this crap? If so you are actively aiding in it happening.
Worrying is for the weak… however preparing for a range of possible scenarios with an amount of concern proportional to your risk tolerance is just called prudence. Keeping things from happening isn’t generally an individual sport; seeing what’s coming and having a plan certainly is.
@@jhunt5578 that's a very simplistic way of looking at things. If you start looking at life this way we can just as well all kill ourselves or go back to the stone age. It's not realistic to expect everyday people who just try to have a somewhat decent life to be able to make these kind of moral statements. And even if we all try our hardest, there is cognitive dissonance. We know what's good and bad for the world and the future, but we cannot stop ourselves from doing it anyways. Not defending it, but realistically the change has to come from governments and institutions, not from individuals themselves.
There have almost always been people predicting some version of the end of the world is nigh, so far they seem to have a terrible track record.
@@Jake12220 The end of the world as we know it happens every day, and every time you wake up there’s a different world waiting for you. Why anyone would care that the end of all sentient creatures suddenly coming to pass would be a problem to anyone is beyond me…you wouldn’t be around long enough to give a shit.
do not forget that coal was being burned for heat in nearly every city and population centers in the world at the time of the "Spanish" flu
And men wore bowler hats to work in the city.
Cheerful lady telling us of our impending demise.🤣
I remember three years back, watching videos about Covid, when it just broke out. "Oh it's just hype, it'll go away in two weeks" they said.
I bet you won't fall for that one again, will ya??
Almost like you shouldn't have been watching Fox news
Or listening to that orange guy, with his "bleach injection" idea.
@@ThisIS_Insane What makes you think I listen to Trump?
@@trillionbones89 What makes you think I'm listening to Fox news?
The US poultry industry is recording four times record profits. Why can't they invest in our safety by vaccination and safety protocols? We should legislate this as an emergency. We found the seasonal flu was almost eliminated with Covid protocols.
was it 'eliminated' or simply 'misidentified' as CVD! Our governments gave more money to places that had high-infection rates of CVD, and not for anything else. So since we rewarded BigHealthcare with funding, guess what we got more of? Any guesses?
@@inconnu4961 I think you responded to the wrong thread
Omg you are right!! Let us just mass test on something and then something else will disapear. We can beat every disease with statistics, haleluja we found the cure!
@@inconnu4961 Seasonal flu wasn't misidentified as Covid. Stop spreading lies and conspiracy theories about "the government".
@@inconnu4961 we don't have to guess. We have science but it takes years.
Thanks for the quality content. Be well.
Bless biologists, virologists, and health workers worldwide
This is absolutely wonderful information. Thank you, Sabine!
An infected mink + some bad luck is enough? Well we're doomed😅
This and many other related subjects have also been discussed in good detail in a well written book by Frank M. Snowden
“Epidemics and Society: From the Black Death to the Present”. The fact that this book was published right before the most recent pandemic , makes it even more interesting as many observations and conclusions appeared in line with the observations.
It doesn’t even make more interesting, it’s called _Priming_
This and other viruses are a "problem" for humans now, specifically *because* of animal farming.
We opened ourselves to these pathogens via farming, especially in crowded, concentrated conditions.
Animal farming has also exacerbated this issue and adversely impacted wild avian populations (yet more anthropogenically induced challenges).
While individuals birds in wild populations do pass the virus to one another, the infection is self-limiting, usually because sick birds are ostracized and the quickness of the course of the infection, for example.
This is a problem largely of our own making, and it can be mitigated and dramatically reduced.
The solution is truly simple and effective, too, and vaccines are not the answer.
Changing our behavior and demands is the answer.
Sabine - please do a video analysing Europe wide current, above trend, death statistics. The increase in AF, clots and strokes is remarkable. This video on the other hand could have been written by the WHO - which wouldn't be a recommendation 🤔
Thank you so much! Your work is invaluable!! Hats off!!
Amazing videos and you are making UA-cam a much better place for high quality work. You’re a gem! Thank you
What is the role of large-scale poultry farming, with many birds living close together in confined quarters?
Battery farm birds are very unhealthy with compromised immune systems. Consequently, they infect each other and many die. Thankfully, they can't fly and spread it so the only possible spread is due to careless humans. The carelessness includes allowing contact with other types of bird.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
Murphy's wisdom
How do random backyard chickens which are probably in a cage all day catch bird flu?
This is very disturbing. We should immediately get doctor Faucci and his friends at the Wuhan lab to work on this to figure out how easily it might mutate to infect humans. Oh wait a minute, on second thought maybe that's not such a great idea after all.
Gain of function😢
Some of the photos near the beginning and end of this video reveal a major reason -- unfortunately not discussed at all -- for the wildfire spread of the bird flu: Chicken coops. These particular ones are factory farms, but the same thing would happen in smaller chicken coops, just needing to more frequently jump gaps between crowded chicken growing facilities. When you have animals that close, the virus is going to spread without needing to ensure it doesn't disable its hosts too quickly. The same thing happened in the hospitals on the tail end of World War I -- huge numbers of wounded people kept together, which let the virus spread without needing to mitigate its effects on the hosts. So the big takeaway is that we should stop eating animals, starting with cutting out the factory farms, but also getting rid of all operations in which we keep animals concentrated in captivity. Even if you care nothing about animal rights, this is a public health issue. Of course, this isn't going to happen, because farming animals for food -- especially in factory operations -- is just too profitable.
Always amazing content. In a new subscriber and working my way through all the vids. Really enjoy the education
Unfortunately, because of the antivaxx sentiment that blossomed during the COVID outbreak, along with the subsequent denial of potential viral lethality, there will be a lot of push-back WHEN a really virulent pathogen causes another pandemic. It will be uncontainable and very devastating because of the lack of personal responsibility that will prevail. This is the result of the government incompetency that we saw during COVID that, at least partially, spawned new and intensified preexisting denialist mindsets.
Very good, thank you.
Speaking as a (retired, thank God) doctor this rightly worrying video is just the tip of the iceberg. COVID-19 as a recent example is highly mutagenic and has not gone away, we're just ignoring it. Far worse, rather than being taken as a timely warning that did relatively little harm (apart from millions dead!) the world's attitude toward 'plagues' is even more blasé than before.
To put things in perspective Bubonic Plague killed up to 50% of Europe's population in multiple waves, with likely an even higher death toll in Asia.
When compared to today those populations were far less dense, far less mobile, and far less reliant on infrastructure... a conservative estimate would suggest when (not if!) a similarly devastating 'plague' strikes again the death toll could be as high as 90% worldwide when secondary infrastructure collapse is taken in to account. One of these 'Bird Flus' could be that next 'plague', but is just one of a great many possibilities old and new.
So... when the next 'proper' pandemic / plague strikes YOU have a roughly 1in10 chance of survival, but what will be left of civilisation when the other 9in10 have finished dying?
This will happen, maybe tomorrow, maybe in 200 years but probably not longer. The idiotic thing is we have the ability to stop such 'plagues' in their tracks right now, and COVID gave us a dry run at testing that ability - we failed badly, and even worse we are now pretending that everything is fine.
PS: Antivirals like Tamiflu are not the answer. Would I take it if I were infected with a 'Bird Flu' stain that might have a 50% mortality rate? Absolutely! But these drugs are far from 100% effective and are themselves not particularly 'safe' - antivirals are NOT like most antibiotics.
I was listening to a podcast about 4 months ago in which a pilot said all he was doing was doing lately was flying bird flu vaccines all over Europe.
I won't be taking an experimental vax.
This is a serious🤔 topic, thank you, Sabine... 😢
If all farms kept there animals in a more natural environment and no intensive farming this would not be a problem. I don’t keep my birds in huge sheds they are in small flocks small houses all free range and happy and they live to a ripe old age.
Making money should not come before welfare.
Yeah, I've heard it's starting to be an issue here in Brazil as well... Really worrying indeed.
Thanks, Sabine! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
One thing I noticed since moving from USA to Brazil is that people in each country have a very different sense of risk, especialy when it comes to the spreading of germs. From my perspective as an American, Brazilians seem to be completely indifferent to germs in every context.
@megamaser That depends a lot from person to person, I guess. For example, I wash my hands all the time, specially when cooking. You know?
@@megamaser I would tend to agree with you. Brazilian fart porn 🤮🤮🤮 proving your theory as solid.
@@megamaser do they have a lot of products to fight germs? If not then there is no need to spread the fear of germs if you have nothing to sell.
Excellent! Detailed, to the point, super clear, I will kill to have this ability you have to explain something so complicated, so clear for us the clueless bunch, thank you
The worst thing about fish with runny noses is that they usually don't put their fins over their mouths when they sneeze.
Kept hearing "influencer viruses" 😂
They're parasites, not viruses.
One of the causes of affluenza
I had thought the Spanish Flu had been traced back to pig farms in Kansas and Iowa, and spread during WW1 with the American Expeditionary Force. Trench warfare didn't help, either. It was first reported in Spain, thus the name.
First reported in Spain... Because apparently wartime censors in Allied & Central powers nations intentionally suppressed coverage to keep morale up. 😞
Wondering about this, too.
That is the most common explanation, but it's impossible to determine, since the flu was not taken seriously in the early days and documentation was unreliable. It was brought in and spread initially by American soldiers though. I also remember it being a swine flu and not avian. But it could be avian. It would explain the deadly outcomes.
It wasn't first reported in Spain just as it was during WW Spain was one of the few places where media wasn't stopped from reporting on it in any major way
Kansas is where it started.
Why is this not more strongly linked to our habit of eating meat in the first place? One might think that the habit of eating meat is worth the extra risk of pandemics, but to not clearly mention that changing our eating habits may decrease that risk, and present scientific estimations, serves no one. Maybe there are no such scientific estimations, but there ought to be, if we want all relevant data.
Preparing us for a new pandemic lock down?
What are the chances of it moving from birds to humans. The last Bird flu had very little chance. Unless you worked in a poultry factory.
Stirring it a bit here more than anything else, chances are it was manufactured in a lab.
What about cat flu?
Mouse flu?
Ant flu?
Horse flu?
Any flu?
It is not manufactured, it is just a banality. Animals are more likely to get sick if stacked in a small place. If they would really care about the animals they would make regulations of better facililties with more space. A lot of money is made with animal vaccines too, and it is good narative to scaremonger us with zoonose.
@@nyoodmono4681 As they did with the possible CVD zoonose jump from bats, that seem to totally lack scientific support.
Thank you Sabine for giving me such a well-researched list of things to worry about.
The jump in egg prices was due to greedflation not shortage, or at least not entirely shortage. The biggest egg supplier in the US didn't lose any chickens, and prices dropped just in time for Easter when people were thinking of going with plastic eggs instead.
What is your source for saying that they didn't lose any chickens? Reuters, the BBC, and all the biggest newspapers in the US all report that between 55-60 million chickens and turkeys died of the avian flu in the US during the 2022 season. Sensational ill-informed comments like this do not help.
@@foodconnoisseur9321 sure buddy. It's not like inflation is at a record high and at the same time companies are making record profits.
It's all just a big conspiracy by the communists!
Egg production also suffers when too many hens self identify as roosters.
100% but people are so easily conned
I remember a study in gain of function on the bird flu of 2014. They identified also that only a few missions were needed for the virus to become transmisible to humans. But those same mutations made the new virus much less lethal, even less than regular human flu. Does anybody know if they checked the same for this one?
You are aware that the US government institutions have recently concluded covid was leaked from a lab, right?
Thank you for a very informative presentation Sabine. I would have also been interested in knowing just how much gain of function research is currently going on with bird flu strains and the associated risks.
13:15 too many cooks in biolabs; swat genes & bad luck,,,
In 2019 apparently a researcher at the university of Wisconsin got infected with a GoF bird flu strain and the university neglected to warn the public or follow proper quarantine measures. And we just learned about it this year via FOIA!
Far too many. This is the thing that needs to be stoppd, right now.
One of my teachers at Primary School scared the sh*t out of me by describing how you could get Psittacosis from a pigeon dying in the roof spaces via mites.
In Poland we got cats getting birdflu and dying (pretty much 99%death rate) probably through raw meat but they uncertain. In one of the news they said there was birdflu outbreak near south America in marine mammals so it got through species barrier couple of times recently ☹️
Edit: 10:16 sea lions in Peru ☹️
GET SCARED AND GET VACCINATED
I'm glad you talked about this. It's important people hear the data in a considered, non-biased way. I know it's hard to want to think about preparedness following the "end" of the covid pandemic, but I think the lessons need to be learned for next time
The lesson learned is that pharmaceutical industries will create lethal viruses, release them into the public and then offer dubious 'vaccines' as a 'cure' for the viruses they created. Thereby making VAST profits as millions of us die prematurely.
"Clip the Wings to Stop the Spread"
@/ "efficient public health policy implementations." You mean like the dumb mask mandates and idiotic CDC-approved "keep six feet apart" social distancing signage? That garbage?
I learned that fear mongering causes society to overreact with drastic measures that do more harm than good.
@/ well put.
Thank you. BTW This Week in Virology, live Q&A, on Wednesdays, virologists, YT
There goes my plan for making a children’s Mink and Chicken petting zoo. 😢
Sabine, it is quite star(t)ling. Someone should make a movie about this and call it "One Flu Over The Cuckoo's Nest."
Or named "Contagion".
any 'zombie birds' movie out there?
I think The Birds (1963) by Alfred Hitchcock is quite enough.
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
I work at a wildlife rehabilitation center. We’ve been getting a lot of birds testing positive, mostly goslings and ducklings. The occasional adult goose. The people who bring them in have extremely close contact with these animals, often cuddling them and taking photos. We take protocols at the clinic to make sure there isn’t bird to human transfer of the flu but these people outside seem to have no idea of the dangers
So you make a great work, it's a beginning. This important info video is another. Thanks 😊
You wear those useless ,FACT , masks I suppose ..
Wouldn’t this have been a great opportunity to explain the somewhat reassuring viral pathogenicity versus fatality selection pressures?
"And now i m really scared", well wish you a quick and full recovery from your fears.
If they would quarantine instead of straight killing infected ones, they might find survivors and breed them. Imagine how valuable would be a strain of immune chickens.
How would those be valuable?
@@4203105replacing normal chickens in the food supply with immune chickens would shut down the spread forever, or at least eliminate large reservoirs where the virus lingers. Also the new chickens may have other enhanced abilities and could use them to fight crime.
That's not how this works. Humans need annual flu shots. You probably don't know anything about bird immunity but here you are with your theory. In the mean time more birds die than would have if you euthanized infected flocks
I really want to believe the viewers of this channel are all smart enough to understand that this is simply information, and that we should be aware and cautious.
But I fear that with a group this large, a certain percent of them are going to come from this video telling everybody, "The end is near! The birds are coming for us! Frau Hossenfelder said so." And then they will go buy all of the toilet paper.
Maybe the time has come to abolish commercial mink farming entirely. The risk of those farms being an extremely dangerous threat to world health is too severe. Also, mink farming is primarily for mink furs; and I don't think we should be potentially risking the lives of most of the human population just for a rich person luxury clothing product.
No more lockdowns
Imagine if there was something like an airborne Ebola outbreak. You might want lockdowns then.
Thank you
Great video, and you packed a lot of information into the available time, thanks for this video.