@@scebit was actually Toyota. They have actually built the factory for production and were supposed to have start shipping next year. It was just delayed again.
@@scebno its definitely Toyota. Every two or three years they hold a presentation promising the next big development in BEV is coming soon from them with huge range solid state batteries with ultra fast charging. It is certainly a way to utilize the Osborne effect to suppress the sales oF BEV.
EV manufacturers will always brag about how fast their battery can be charged but will never talk about long term effect of fast charging on the battery's health
Having driven a 300+ mile range Model X for two years I like stopping every couple hours to stretch, but if they can move the needle just a little bit to get 400 miles of range out of a 100kW battery 🔋 that is probably the sweet spot.
Tesla could blow away the rest of the industry by increasing the length of years and the mileage the battery is warranted for! If you are correct, the cost to Tesla would be minimal!
You go to charge at 350 kW in your Porsche Taycan at Electrify America and you find a Bolt at the 350 kW charger........And probably charging to 100%. Or the charger is derated. Or the EA station is 8 miles off the highway. No thanks, I'll stay with my Model Y so I can use all of the Tesla Superchargers that are usually closer to the highway and much more reliable.
@@777Outrigger yes, most other charging companies have built their networks with a horrific reputation of downtime, hence why NACS (Tesla’s supercharger standard) is being adopted by all car makers now. They want Tesla’s reliability.
@ agree. But the legacy manufacturers are effectively blaming the demand problem as something the consumers don’t want (EVs), which if they could make a compelling product (priced right), they would. And why Tesla is dominating. We need them to succeed, but the legacy companies are simply caving-in. Burdened by mediocrity / not trying hard enough.
@@SCWgreg How is Tesla caving in? Tesla prices have been falling. It now costs Tesla $32,000 to build Models Y & 3 averaged out, and costs still falling. No one else can build an BEV for that cost, which is why Tesla is the only company making a profit on BEVs. And several new cheaper models coming out early next year. And 500kW charging coming next year too. Patience. Rome wasn't built in a day.
check Björn Nylands 1000 KM Chalenge videos and his total list. You can see, that with the right car the "time loss" is marginal. I speak for myself, just did a 2000km Trip from Switzerland to Portugal, which I do 3-4 times a year and I need like 21h~. If the charger were a bit faster and better located in Spain, I would even save one hour more. 3 hours drive, 20 mins break, 3 hours drive, 45 mins lunchbreak (after 6h of total drivin on the road), repeat. Totally easy, doable and reasonable (and cheap, my cost per 100 KM is around 4 Euro for the past 140'000 KM).
Although peak charging is an important measure, I think what you need to focus on is the charging curve. Even though Tesla's can't go up to 250, they cannot keep that curve for too long. That is the reason why. Portia's manufacturing capability and the ability to keep that charge curve for such a long time really shows through. Even though Tesla has done a great job on the software side when it comes to all the shortcuts that they have taken, it becomes crystal clear why other manufacturers can do better than Tesla.
@ my 2023 MY was losing 5-7% per night, with no sentry enabled and keyless entry completely disconnected to rule it out, and Tesla got back to me after more than a month with a simple email that said my battery was within acceptable limits (or such) … winter in northeast, parked outdoors. Lots of variables. Not as simple as Tesla wants you to believe.
A misconception that e-GMP charges at 350 kW. The top is about 250 kW, and their charging curve is flat for a major part, staying high and only dropping at the last 20%. Tesla's charging curve, as you show, is almost a straight line going from 250 kW at 10% to nearly nothing at the end of the charging session. This results in an average of about 125 kW. So having a as flat as possible charging curve is what matters. ;-)
Out Of Spec recently did a range test on the I-90. They had an Ioniq 6 with its 800 volt architecture which didn't charge any faster than the Model 3 that was in the same test.
@@KP-xi4bj Please compare charging curves and see a huge difference. Peak does not matter if power does not stay high - look at the shown charging curve for Tesla at the beginning.
LFP needs to be charged to 100% once per week for the bms calibration. Letting it sit on 100% for extended periods of time is as damaging as for the nmc chemistry. People need to know that. DONT CHARGE LFP TO 100% DAILY. DO IT ONCE PER WEEK. IF YOU GO TO HOLIDAY OR BREAK YOUR LEG AND CANT DRIVE FOR A WEEK OR MORE LET IT SIT AT 50%
I don’t think calling out the EV6 and ioniq 5 at 350kwh at only EA stations is right. Tesla still has 1st gen Superchargers in my city at 72Kwh and it’s also note worthy that these cars can now charge at Tesla SC , even V4.
Ryan thank you for this excellent battery presentation. It is always important to know the latest technological advancements and to know what is and what is promised...
How about doing something on the INCREDIBLE ET9 from NIO! Dang… the interior amenities are incredible. Yea it’s expensive but it’s Maybach quality. Gilevich Sergey just showed what real luxury in an EV looks like and it’s about the same price as a Plaid! It also has Lidar/Radar plus cameras so unlike Tesla it will ACTUALLT be viable for FSD in fog, glare, snow, etc. wish we could buy NIO or other Chinese cars. 2 years ago I never would have said that
@@chrispapanastasopoulos9192battery is checked by swap station before going in your car. And no worry about charging to 100% because it’s not your battery and you can always swap it out
The headline for the study with battery prices versus engine swap has a great error; its compares cost price that car producer pays and not the installed and retail prices. I think we need a alternative battery producer/installer instead of original packs before we see true lower prices.
On my 2021 model 3 RWD, I questioned my range after a year and was told by Tesla Service to charge to 100% and drive to close to 0%. That didn’t fix a 220 mi range at 100% when it’s supposed to be 269. It’s a significant loss. At 44K miles I couldn’t charge anymore and Tesla had to replace the HV Battery. I’m getting 216 at 100%. Again 50 mi below the range. I questioned service and they told me to keep driving the car and check in 30-90 days. Curious if there is anything I can do to get the range to what it’s supposed to be because Ryan I’m experiencing way more degradation when I charge at home and keep it between 20-80% charge. Thanks for your input!!
Id like faster charging before more range. Had an EV6 for a while. If you found a fully functional Electrify America station, youd rip the KWs. Alot faster than my Model Y even at a V4 Supercharger.
Range anxiety will go away when cars can go 800km/500mile on a charge. I can drive 800km in a day and charging is not something I want to HAVE TO DO. People don't talk about their smartphone battery anymore now they can easily go 1 day (people used to talk about smartphone batteries 8-12 years ago) charging a smartphone is easier than charging a car but people still want their phone to not need it.
So In The future will the manufacturers offer a trade In value so you can get a new vehicle and they get the battery to put in the new vehicle or another vehicle.
Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I’m hoping mine lasts 10 years or longer, so far 2.5 years in and no noticeable degradation. I would consider their extended warranty but it’s too expensive and coverage sucks. Did you do much supercharging?
An average joe who gets into EVs will quickly realize how overrated public charging is and this obsession with quick public charging/supercharger infrastructure is heavily engrained on us from the Gas car era.
Generally true. However in my area (SF Bay Area) Supercharging at night is almost 25% cheaper than my off-peak home electricity (0.34 versus 0.44). When I charge at home, cost to run my Model Y is about the same as my 2016 Mazda 3 (35 mpg)
If you use your Tesla for rideshare, supercharging every day, it won't last 200k miles. You will be lucky if it lasts 100k miles. If you charge to 80% or less and only drive a few miles a day you may see the longer battery longevity. Also worth noting is range is much less in cold weather.
@@ChicagoBob123 on KimJava's channel there was a dude who brought a Tesla to use with Uber and his range dropped to nothing in just a year or two due to supercharging every day.
Your math is right, but it doesn't take an hour to charge. And most people aren't driving 4 hours without a break anyway, so while you take a break, you charge the vehicle.
I wonder what automaker will be the first to offer a lifetime warranty on their EV batteries? They can see now the risk is very low and it would be a big boost to sales.
MG Thailand has a LIFETIME warranty on the controllers, motors, and high voltage battery, in their EVs sold in Thailand. This is the warranty on my MG Cyberster. Oddly the warranty agreement has no details or explanation of how or what to expect.
The Cyberster is honestly a really good effort. It is of remarkable quality, the design stunning and the execution pretty darn good. The software is a weak point (but I have a Tesla so it comes up short compared to Tesla's software). The only mild complaint is the suspension while pretty darn good could use a bit more improvement. It tends to "hobby horse" slightly front to back. Its quite mild so it's not a deal killer but it's noticeable at times. The handling otherwise is good. Corners pretty flat and the Brembo brakes impressive. Steering feels direct and the steering wheel itself nice to hold. Albeit a few hard buttons on the wheel that's noticeable .Range is ok but of course in sport mode with both motors putting out power the efficiency is naturally affected. In comfort mode it's rear wheel drive only. This is good for daily efficiency. Unlike the Tesla where it runs off the rear motor under modest conditions and brings in the front motor seamlessly as demand dictates. To access the dual motors in the Cyberster means entering sport mode with one of the paddles or pressing the red supersport button. Its fast at low speeds and flattens out at higher speeds (still fast but the Tesla will be faster at higher speeds). I think MG engineered a slight delay in hammering the throttle with very slight delay and lifting abruptly has the regen with a very tiny delay. The doors are fantastic! I can open and close the passenger door for guests from the comfort of staying seated. (My wife appreciates that) The cabin is remarkably quiet and a pleasant place to be. Top down also good if kept below 120kph. The screen between the headrests works really well calming the cabin turbulence. The seats are reasonably comfortable. I'm 5'7" 169cm and it's a perfect fit. The screens look good but the layout of where data resides is a bit clunky. The App is also is not very "smooth". Could be also seen a bit clunky. The trunk is (I think) spacious for it's GT mission. Once in a while we get faint squeaks where the passenger window meets the convertible roof molding. MG is helping to sort that. But its an intermittent thing so hard to resolve. The powered top is outstanding and is the very same mechanism and top used in BMWs Z4. (Same supplier). Tire choice is good with no complaints. Control of the touch screens can be fussy at times. Not as responsive as they could be. The driver aids reset with every restart meaning a process of disabling a few on every drive is a bit cumbersome. The use of the screens and menus a bit head scratching, but again not a deal breaker. The package offered by MG Thailand is impressive. All the charge and V to L cables, a wallbox charger included, 1 year 1st class insurance and a few other items. We have direct contact with the MG product manager for the Cyberster which has been helpful. The local sales people not so informed. At the moment about 10,000 km with no service needed on anything. The Cyberster does have a service schedule but I'm not sure what they do. Overall I really enjoy the car and the feeling of quality and driving dynamics is good. In comparison with the dual motor Tesla it's not quite as refined but not noticeable if you weren't real time comparing. I suspect the Cyberster will remain in my garage for a long time and I indeed can recommend it highly. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Unless you don't like the attention!
I have had a Tesla for 3 years. There is nothing better than Tesla. It will also be my last if that madman remains in charge of the company. Enough of this clown.
While I don't own an EV yet, I've spent a bit of time trying to understand the batteries. I get it that range is stated in absolutes, but most people take this to means they can get this distance between charges. That is hardly the case as the OEM warns against going to low or too high. Further, going to high is unlikely on a road trip unless you're charging overnight as the last 20% takes forever due to battery chemistry. The website "A better route planner" can educate you on your EV's charging curve. Practical mileage is typically every couple of hours - charging from 10% to 60-70% depending on the location of the next charger on a long trip. This minimizes the wait time to about 17 mins by accepting the maximum amount of charge in the beginning and stopping before it is little more than a trickle. In the end, for a Telsa Long Range AWD this is 120-140 miles between superchargers on a road trip.
My advice get a Tesla it's iPhone when it came out and I've always been an android user. Save the hassle be smart and join the future and tesla "club" brother it's worth being part of what's already been curated for us
If you cannot charge your car at home with your home or a better rate, maybe ICE is better for you now. Away from home, expect to pay about 4 times or more than at home and take 15 -30 minutes. Fast charging should be used sparingly. Batteries last longer if charged slower.
But how would new battery tech square with current Tesla owners if the battery as the capability to outlast the vehicle if the battery is part of the Giga Cast? If the battery is removeable then great but if it isn't then wouldn't that be a problem? I'd love to get to the end of my warranty, if my battery was removeable, and Tesla have a battery insurance program where you pay a certain fee per month and if you get to the point you need to have your battery replaced you can get it through them and "that" replacement battery is covered under the same terms. NIO and one of two other company's approach is cool but I'm never in a hurry that much that I'm not willing to charge for 10 or 15 minutes and then get back on the road. A 2 minute swap vs. a 15 to 20 minute charge time does seem cool but given how little I travel I wouldn't use it. But swapping out a bad battery for a better one in the future I would be very interested in. Just don't know if it's possible with Tesla's Giga Cast approach unless it is and I'm just not aware it is.
@@nathanbaker6033 yes , would be quite expensive , but in neighborhoods with apartment blocks maybe economically reasonable with so many potential customers
The more you dive into the obscure, the better informed I am, and the further away that Tesla 3 goes. Thanks. My Highlander ICE seems just right. ...adds 400 mi in 15 minutes including a pee. And no new CO2 generated to make it or destroy it. It exists..
EVs are not really good for winter road trips - the 30 % range degradation in low temperatures and slow super charging makes trips a nightmare - I’m keeping my second ICE car for these trips
I'm not sure I agree with your statement about EVs being largely adopted. Many of the manufacturers have scaled back their EV plans because the demand isn't there
They’re scaling back because every EV they sell is either at a loss or the price tag is so high people will choose tesla. A lot of these auto manufacturer are so far behind on technology and battery tech
That’s because they haven’t figured out how to make a profit on them, like Tesla does (the only one so far), and their products are just simply inferior-particularly when it comes to software, efficiency, and reliability.
Also the current economic condition doesn't help. High interest rate is going to be issues for many. Many have seen this coming for 2024 at the beginning of 2024. Had interest rate moved much lower than it is today, IMO more people would have plunged into EVs.
All other EV manufacturers are scaling back. Tesla is king and will dominate all the electric vehicle sales for many many years to come. Lucy is on the brink of bankruptcy and has only enough money to survive till the end of this year and the cars are too expensive for most people to buy all they will go under. A focused on ultra expensive vehicles and if you follow musks velocity, you need to start up with a small and expensive card to get your company going.
It would be good to see an electric vehicle car part keep an electric vehicle car battery charged. You could go around more and take it to new performance levels. God bless quantum computers and artificial intelligence to send everything into the future of the universe. God bless.
I would love to engage in a good faith discussion about this buddy. I'm at 92k miles on a long range 2021 model 3. Done some road trips at -4°c 1200miles one way. What car experience has you saying this? I'm noticing a difference from winter to summer but can't say I feel the way you do. Help me see what ev is horrible in the winter? Are you in Canada?
@@borshardsd I live in northern Europe. -25C and lots of snow is the norm. You end up spending lots of time and money just warming the battery. The range essentially halves or depending on the weather even worse.
Id like to know if someone has a problem with the political standpoint of Tesla / Musk … I am not sure about that but it’s weird to drive car that supports a political idea I do not support.
I thought of the battery swapping idea a couple years back and thought that would be true way forward. but now im thinking some issues, some major issues come about that method. the battery cycle is gonna chew up the battery's life alot faster i bet. i seen for example, 50 batteries being cycled through, 10%-90% on each charge, being done multiple times a week. no battery is gonna take a full charge and last an entire week or even longer. people gonna abuse the fast factor of the swap, drive further, putting on more miles than they would have if they had to wait hours for their own battery charging.. wear and tear - insane amount of battery handling, very potentially causing little damage during each swap out, and this is the more concerning issue i see. someone gets a battery and it ends up catching fire on them from so mch wear and tear. since the battery isn't sitting safe and sound in their vehicles the whole time, instead, jumping from on vehicle, into the chargign station and then back into another vehicle. there is alot of handling going on with this method so i bet we could exspect a higher amount of EV fires from it. sides that, we need think about cost. who all will be wanting to pay out alot of money to use this method, you know its gonna be alot more costly, pushing the edge of paying for gas the whole month if not very well exceeding it. and you never own your own battery and if you do eventually buy your own, you know its gonna be like 10,000 dollars. after you done paid out alot of money per month. what if you need a swap but not stations have any ready???? could be a wait time to go get a swap out. 1 hour. 10 hours. who knows. there would have to be alot of batteries ready to go on start up of a swapping station. so them stations would be WOOOOW....SUPER SUPER COSTLY to put in. if a city has say 10,000 EV's. 3,000 of them are battery swap setups. there would have to be at least 5 stations bare minimum to be able to handle the propper amount of battery charging, and storage of them. thats 600 batteries per station at 5 stations. so you know there will have to be a sht load more staions than that. i see 100 batteries max per station in all reality. i can see why Tesla ruled that out as "unscalable" them just some of the fast cons that i see with this method. only real plus side of it is, is the fast swap out....does that one pro, out weight the all the cons??? not really. not really at all actually. sounds better than it will actually be i bet.
Toyota have had a solid-state battery coming in a couple of years for about a decade.
Lmao facts! Since 2015.
I could be wrong, but I suspect it’s whomever is reporting that solid state Batteries are a couple years away and not actually Toyota.
@@scebit was actually Toyota. They have actually built the factory for production and were supposed to have start shipping next year. It was just delayed again.
They should have stayed out of the EV business until they had something good. The bZ4x just ruined their reputation.
@@scebno its definitely Toyota. Every two or three years they hold a presentation promising the next big development in BEV is coming soon from them with huge range solid state batteries with ultra fast charging. It is certainly a way to utilize the Osborne effect to suppress the sales oF BEV.
Peak charging is not nearly as important as a sustained high charging curve.
EV manufacturers will always brag about how fast their battery can be charged but will never talk about long term effect of fast charging on the battery's health
Having driven a 300+ mile range Model X for two years I like stopping every couple hours to stretch, but if they can move the needle just a little bit to get 400 miles of range out of a 100kW battery 🔋 that is probably the sweet spot.
Elon said there's no good reason to have a 400 mile range. He said batteries only need to last as long as your bladder.
Tesla could blow away the rest of the industry by increasing the length of years and the mileage the battery is warranted for! If you are correct, the cost to Tesla would be minimal!
You go to charge at 350 kW in your Porsche Taycan at Electrify America and you find a Bolt at the 350 kW charger........And probably charging to 100%. Or the charger is derated. Or the EA station is 8 miles off the highway. No thanks, I'll stay with my Model Y so I can use all of the Tesla Superchargers that are usually closer to the highway and much more reliable.
@@777Outrigger yes, most other charging companies have built their networks with a horrific reputation of downtime, hence why NACS (Tesla’s supercharger standard) is being adopted by all car makers now. They want Tesla’s reliability.
@@SCWgreg That will take time, and they still don't have access to 13,000 Superchargers. Pretty big system in and of itself.
@ agree. But the legacy manufacturers are effectively blaming the demand problem as something the consumers don’t want (EVs), which if they could make a compelling product (priced right), they would. And why Tesla is dominating. We need them to succeed, but the legacy companies are simply caving-in. Burdened by mediocrity / not trying hard enough.
@@SCWgreg How is Tesla caving in? Tesla prices have been falling. It now costs Tesla $32,000 to build Models Y & 3 averaged out, and costs still falling. No one else can build an BEV for that cost, which is why Tesla is the only company making a profit on BEVs. And several new cheaper models coming out early next year. And 500kW charging coming next year too. Patience. Rome wasn't built in a day.
@ no no. Sorry if I was not clear, Tesla is not caving in, the legacy manufacturers are.
Great info. No range anxiety with a Tesla but still have time anxiety for a road trip
check Björn Nylands 1000 KM Chalenge videos and his total list. You can see, that with the right car the "time loss" is marginal. I speak for myself, just did a 2000km Trip from Switzerland to Portugal, which I do 3-4 times a year and I need like 21h~. If the charger were a bit faster and better located in Spain, I would even save one hour more.
3 hours drive, 20 mins break, 3 hours drive, 45 mins lunchbreak (after 6h of total drivin on the road), repeat. Totally easy, doable and reasonable (and cheap, my cost per 100 KM is around 4 Euro for the past 140'000 KM).
It only takes 15-20 minutes if you’re stopping every 2 hours, we don’t like being on the road for longer than 2 hours at a time, anyway.
Guarantee if that 750-mile range gets to be a common thing. All gasoline engines will be dead.
Although peak charging is an important measure, I think what you need to focus on is the charging curve. Even though Tesla's can't go up to 250, they cannot keep that curve for too long. That is the reason why. Portia's manufacturing capability and the ability to keep that charge curve for such a long time really shows through. Even though Tesla has done a great job on the software side when it comes to all the shortcuts that they have taken, it becomes crystal clear why other manufacturers can do better than Tesla.
Very informative, thanks for doing the research for all of us !
would be great if you can do a phantom drain episode - a glimpse into the current reality and if the future can ever have it go to zero.
My 2019 Tesla loses significantly under 0.5% a week when parked in my garage, (with sentry turned OFF.)
That’s so low that it can almost be ignored.
@ my 2023 MY was losing 5-7% per night, with no sentry enabled and keyless entry completely disconnected to rule it out, and Tesla got back to me after more than a month with a simple email that said my battery was within acceptable limits (or such) … winter in northeast, parked outdoors. Lots of variables. Not as simple as Tesla wants you to believe.
Different microphone set up?
A misconception that e-GMP charges at 350 kW. The top is about 250 kW, and their charging curve is flat for a major part, staying high and only dropping at the last 20%.
Tesla's charging curve, as you show, is almost a straight line going from 250 kW at 10% to nearly nothing at the end of the charging session. This results in an average of about 125 kW.
So having a as flat as possible charging curve is what matters. ;-)
Out Of Spec recently did a range test on the I-90. They had an Ioniq 6 with its 800 volt architecture which didn't charge any faster than the Model 3 that was in the same test.
@@KP-xi4bj Please compare charging curves and see a huge difference. Peak does not matter if power does not stay high - look at the shown charging curve for Tesla at the beginning.
@@PeterKyllesbeck The Out Of Spec range test showed charging in the real world, not on paper. Go watch the video.
LFP needs to be charged to 100% once per week for the bms calibration.
Letting it sit on 100% for extended periods of time is as damaging as for the nmc chemistry.
People need to know that.
DONT CHARGE LFP TO 100% DAILY. DO IT ONCE PER WEEK.
IF YOU GO TO HOLIDAY OR BREAK YOUR LEG AND CANT DRIVE FOR A WEEK OR MORE LET IT SIT AT 50%
I broke my leg. Couldn’t drive for 3 months. The battery was up to 10,000 miles of range by the time I unplugged it
EV motor replacement cost should also be factored in when comparing to gas engine replacement.
I don’t think calling out the EV6 and ioniq 5 at 350kwh at only EA stations is right. Tesla still has 1st gen Superchargers in my city at 72Kwh and it’s also note worthy that these cars can now charge at Tesla SC , even V4.
Not all Tesla SCs, only select ones.
Great holiday episodes you created Ryan. Happy hollidays!
Ryan thank you for this excellent battery presentation. It is always important to know the latest technological advancements and to know what is and what is promised...
How about doing something on the INCREDIBLE ET9 from NIO! Dang… the interior amenities are incredible. Yea it’s expensive but it’s Maybach quality. Gilevich Sergey just showed what real luxury in an EV looks like and it’s about the same price as a Plaid! It also has Lidar/Radar plus cameras so unlike Tesla it will ACTUALLT be viable for FSD in fog, glare, snow, etc. wish we could buy NIO or other Chinese cars. 2 years ago I never would have said that
100% everything you said! Plus the ET9 can battery swap in 3.5 mins!
@@pragsmo916I certainly don't want someone else's abused battery in my car.
@@chrispapanastasopoulos9192battery is checked by swap station before going in your car. And no worry about charging to 100% because it’s not your battery and you can always swap it out
Great show!
Lifetime battery warranty. Bombshell
The headline for the study with battery prices versus engine swap has a great error; its compares cost price that car producer pays and not the installed and retail prices. I think we need a alternative battery producer/installer instead of original packs before we see true lower prices.
can't wait to see more people become positive on ev's
On my 2021 model 3 RWD, I questioned my range after a year and was told by Tesla Service to charge to 100% and drive to close to 0%. That didn’t fix a 220 mi range at 100% when it’s supposed to be 269. It’s a significant loss. At 44K miles I couldn’t charge anymore and Tesla had to replace the HV Battery. I’m getting 216 at 100%. Again 50 mi below the range. I questioned service and they told me to keep driving the car and check in 30-90 days. Curious if there is anything I can do to get the range to what it’s supposed to be because Ryan I’m experiencing way more degradation when I charge at home and keep it between 20-80% charge. Thanks for your input!!
Id like faster charging before more range. Had an EV6 for a while. If you found a fully functional Electrify America station, youd rip the KWs. Alot faster than my Model Y even at a V4 Supercharger.
Range anxiety will go away when cars can go 800km/500mile on a charge. I can drive 800km in a day and charging is not something I want to HAVE TO DO.
People don't talk about their smartphone battery anymore now they can easily go 1 day (people used to talk about smartphone batteries 8-12 years ago) charging a smartphone is easier than charging a car but people still want their phone to not need it.
So In The future will the manufacturers offer a trade In value so you can get a new vehicle and they get the battery to put in the new vehicle or another vehicle.
Or just sell you a car and you swap your old battery in.....
My battery had to be replaced after 126k miles 6k out of warranty tesla m3p 21
How much was the cost?
Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I’m hoping mine lasts 10 years or longer, so far 2.5 years in and no noticeable degradation. I would consider their extended warranty but it’s too expensive and coverage sucks.
Did you do much supercharging?
An average joe who gets into EVs will quickly realize how overrated public charging is and this obsession with quick public charging/supercharger infrastructure is heavily engrained on us from the Gas car era.
Generally true. However in my area (SF Bay Area) Supercharging at night is almost 25% cheaper than my off-peak home electricity (0.34 versus 0.44).
When I charge at home, cost to run my Model Y is about the same as my 2016 Mazda 3 (35 mpg)
Is the car supporting that idea or an extrovert manager of the car’s brand?
Thanks for the video's over 2024 Can you tell me when we'll have V2G or V2H in EV 's Cheers from Australia
If you use your Tesla for rideshare, supercharging every day, it won't last 200k miles. You will be lucky if it lasts 100k miles. If you charge to 80% or less and only drive a few miles a day you may see the longer battery longevity. Also worth noting is range is much less in cold weather.
That may not be true. Read that super charging doesnt seem to make a difference.
@@ChicagoBob123 on KimJava's channel there was a dude who brought a Tesla to use with Uber and his range dropped to nothing in just a year or two due to supercharging every day.
Didn't realize Tesla charged so slow. An hour for 3 hours driving at 75 mph drops the average trip speed to 55mph, which a 1957 Microbus can do.
Your math is right, but it doesn't take an hour to charge. And most people aren't driving 4 hours without a break anyway, so while you take a break, you charge the vehicle.
The chinese said 4C speed. Meaning they can charge the entire battery (of it was flat) in 1/4 hour.
As All Might would say. I am here!
I wonder what automaker will be the first to offer a lifetime warranty on their EV batteries? They can see now the risk is very low and it would be a big boost to sales.
MG Thailand has a LIFETIME warranty on the controllers, motors, and high voltage battery, in their EVs sold in Thailand. This is the warranty on my MG Cyberster. Oddly the warranty agreement has no details or explanation of how or what to expect.
@@sunrisejak2709What’s the Cybersteer like? I’d love to drive one, and plan doing a test drive.
The Cyberster is honestly a really good effort. It is of remarkable quality, the design stunning and the execution pretty darn good. The software is a weak point (but I have a Tesla so it comes up short compared to Tesla's software). The only mild complaint is the suspension while pretty darn good could use a bit more improvement. It tends to "hobby horse" slightly front to back. Its quite mild so it's not a deal killer but it's noticeable at times. The handling otherwise is good. Corners pretty flat and the Brembo brakes impressive. Steering feels direct and the steering wheel itself nice to hold. Albeit a few hard buttons on the wheel that's noticeable .Range is ok but of course in sport mode with both motors putting out power the efficiency is naturally affected. In comfort mode it's rear wheel drive only. This is good for daily efficiency. Unlike the Tesla where it runs off the rear motor under modest conditions and brings in the front motor seamlessly as demand dictates. To access the dual motors in the Cyberster means entering sport mode with one of the paddles or pressing the red supersport button. Its fast at low speeds and flattens out at higher speeds (still fast but the Tesla will be faster at higher speeds). I think MG engineered a slight delay in hammering the throttle with very slight delay and lifting abruptly has the regen with a very tiny delay. The doors are fantastic! I can open and close the passenger door for guests from the comfort of staying seated. (My wife appreciates that) The cabin is remarkably quiet and a pleasant place to be. Top down also good if kept below 120kph. The screen between the headrests works really well calming the cabin turbulence. The seats are reasonably comfortable. I'm 5'7" 169cm and it's a perfect fit. The screens look good but the layout of where data resides is a bit clunky. The App is also is not very "smooth". Could be also seen a bit clunky. The trunk is (I think) spacious for it's GT mission. Once in a while we get faint squeaks where the passenger window meets the convertible roof molding. MG is helping to sort that. But its an intermittent thing so hard to resolve. The powered top is outstanding and is the very same mechanism and top used in BMWs Z4. (Same supplier). Tire choice is good with no complaints. Control of the touch screens can be fussy at times. Not as responsive as they could be. The driver aids reset with every restart meaning a process of disabling a few on every drive is a bit cumbersome. The use of the screens and menus a bit head scratching, but again not a deal breaker. The package offered by MG Thailand is impressive. All the charge and V to L cables, a wallbox charger included, 1 year 1st class insurance and a few other items. We have direct contact with the MG product manager for the Cyberster which has been helpful. The local sales people not so informed. At the moment about 10,000 km with no service needed on anything. The Cyberster does have a service schedule but I'm not sure what they do. Overall I really enjoy the car and the feeling of quality and driving dynamics is good. In comparison with the dual motor Tesla it's not quite as refined but not noticeable if you weren't real time comparing. I suspect the Cyberster will remain in my garage for a long time and I indeed can recommend it highly. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Unless you don't like the attention!
'My Motor will replace all the heat engines the world" - Nikola Tesla, 1933
I have had a Tesla for 3 years. There is nothing better than Tesla. It will also be my last if that madman remains in charge of the company. Enough of this clown.
Percent charge doesn't matter as much as miles added per 15 min.
so exciting
While I don't own an EV yet, I've spent a bit of time trying to understand the batteries. I get it that range is stated in absolutes, but most people take this to means they can get this distance between charges. That is hardly the case as the OEM warns against going to low or too high. Further, going to high is unlikely on a road trip unless you're charging overnight as the last 20% takes forever due to battery chemistry. The website "A better route planner" can educate you on your EV's charging curve. Practical mileage is typically every couple of hours - charging from 10% to 60-70% depending on the location of the next charger on a long trip. This minimizes the wait time to about 17 mins by accepting the maximum amount of charge in the beginning and stopping before it is little more than a trickle. In the end, for a Telsa Long Range AWD this is 120-140 miles between superchargers on a road trip.
My advice get a Tesla it's iPhone when it came out and I've always been an android user. Save the hassle be smart and join the future and tesla "club" brother it's worth being part of what's already been curated for us
If you cannot charge your car at home with your home or a better rate, maybe ICE is better for you now. Away from home, expect to pay about 4 times or more than at home and take 15 -30 minutes. Fast charging should be used sparingly. Batteries last longer if charged slower.
Recurrent did a battery degradation study last year. There was no difference between slow AC charging versus DC fast charging.
@@KP-xi4bj Then why do Uber drivers have battery problems?
@@johnd01 The same reason why Taxi cars last on average 5 years if they're lucky.
But how would new battery tech square with current Tesla owners if the battery as the capability to outlast the vehicle if the battery is part of the Giga Cast? If the battery is removeable then great but if it isn't then wouldn't that be a problem?
I'd love to get to the end of my warranty, if my battery was removeable, and Tesla have a battery insurance program where you pay a certain fee per month and if you get to the point you need to have your battery replaced you can get it through them and "that" replacement battery is covered under the same terms.
NIO and one of two other company's approach is cool but I'm never in a hurry that much that I'm not willing to charge for 10 or 15 minutes and then get back on the road. A 2 minute swap vs. a 15 to 20 minute charge time does seem cool but given how little I travel I wouldn't use it. But swapping out a bad battery for a better one in the future I would be very interested in. Just don't know if it's possible with Tesla's Giga Cast approach unless it is and I'm just not aware it is.
Every street light pole NEED connection for charging
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Retrofitting existing neighborhoods would be very expensive.
@@nathanbaker6033 yes , would be quite expensive , but in neighborhoods with apartment blocks maybe economically reasonable with so many potential customers
19:59 .. who is J.B. Straubel!
He owns Redwood recycling. He used to work at Tesla and now he is recycling batteries. He has been doing this for three or four years.
When battery density reaches 500 watts per kg its game over for ice
I'm guessing you meant to say 500 wh/kg?
@terrancecloverfield6791 clever boy you connected the dots
The more you dive into the obscure, the better informed I am, and the further away that Tesla 3 goes.
Thanks. My Highlander ICE seems just right. ...adds 400 mi in 15 minutes including a pee.
And no new CO2 generated to make it or destroy it. It exists..
20m... scheezzz
charging speed has nothing related to range anxiety.
You aren’t truly MAGA unless you own a Tesla, and you aren’t bad-ass MAGA unless you own a Cybertruck. 😎
What? Tesla was long before MAGA, it just took Muskrat a while to catch on! LOL😮!
EVs are not really good for winter road trips - the 30 % range degradation in low temperatures and slow super charging makes trips a nightmare - I’m keeping my second ICE car for these trips
I'm not sure I agree with your statement about EVs being largely adopted. Many of the manufacturers have scaled back their EV plans because the demand isn't there
They’re scaling back because every EV they sell is either at a loss or the price tag is so high people will choose tesla. A lot of these auto manufacturer are so far behind on technology and battery tech
That’s because they haven’t figured out how to make a profit on them, like Tesla does (the only one so far), and their products are just simply inferior-particularly when it comes to software, efficiency, and reliability.
@ ☝️ yes. Legacy manufacturers are burdened by systemic mediocrity.
Yet The EVs sales are still up over last year and gas sales have gone down every year since 2019.
Also the current economic condition doesn't help. High interest rate is going to be issues for many. Many have seen this coming for 2024 at the beginning of 2024. Had interest rate moved much lower than it is today, IMO more people would have plunged into EVs.
The future is riding on donkeys :D
All other EV manufacturers are scaling back. Tesla is king and will dominate all the electric vehicle sales for many many years to come. Lucy is on the brink of bankruptcy and has only enough money to survive till the end of this year and the cars are too expensive for most people to buy all they will go under. A focused on ultra expensive vehicles and if you follow musks velocity, you need to start up with a small and expensive card to get your company going.
Is it called Up grayed or up Grad .. like graduate Grad … important questions before I buy a Tesloo
China 800 kilowatt? SURE 😂
More than 15 minutes is too much. Ioniq 6, 200 miles in 15 minutes, thats pretty good. It will be even better with swappable batteries.
It would be good to see an electric vehicle car part keep an electric vehicle car battery charged. You could go around more and take it to new performance levels. God bless quantum computers and artificial intelligence to send everything into the future of the universe. God bless.
Range anxiety has definitely not gone anywhere. The range in the winter is ridiculously bad.
I would love to engage in a good faith discussion about this buddy. I'm at 92k miles on a long range 2021 model 3. Done some road trips at -4°c 1200miles one way.
What car experience has you saying this? I'm noticing a difference from winter to summer but can't say I feel the way you do. Help me see what ev is horrible in the winter? Are you in Canada?
Absolutely. Hertz is a good example. Can't give them away.
Unfortunately that is still true if you have to park your car outside over night. Heating up the car and battery needs a lot of energy
@@borshardsd I live in northern Europe. -25C and lots of snow is the norm. You end up spending lots of time and money just warming the battery. The range essentially halves or depending on the weather even worse.
Got a model y long range. At -20 it can go about 240km. Definitely need a battery that’s not affected by cold.
Not only will EV pack replacements get cheaper but ICE repairs will do nothing but go up.
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P.S. EVs still suck for most people.
Id like to know if someone has a problem with the political standpoint of Tesla / Musk … I am not sure about that but it’s weird to drive car that supports a political idea I do not support.
I own a Tesla and I am sold to electric cars… just not Teslas if Musk remains CEO.
Cope. Clearly youre part of the authoritarian cult of the left.
Tesla is Elon Musk man if you haven't realized that.
Without Musk, there would be no Tesla. The original founders of Tesla did nothing to make the company it is today.
Why?
...okay
I thought of the battery swapping idea a couple years back and thought that would be true way forward. but now im thinking some issues, some major issues come about that method. the battery cycle is gonna chew up the battery's life alot faster i bet. i seen for example, 50 batteries being cycled through, 10%-90% on each charge, being done multiple times a week. no battery is gonna take a full charge and last an entire week or even longer. people gonna abuse the fast factor of the swap, drive further, putting on more miles than they would have if they had to wait hours for their own battery charging..
wear and tear - insane amount of battery handling, very potentially causing little damage during each swap out, and this is the more concerning issue i see. someone gets a battery and it ends up catching fire on them from so mch wear and tear. since the battery isn't sitting safe and sound in their vehicles the whole time, instead, jumping from on vehicle, into the chargign station and then back into another vehicle. there is alot of handling going on with this method so i bet we could exspect a higher amount of EV fires from it.
sides that, we need think about cost. who all will be wanting to pay out alot of money to use this method, you know its gonna be alot more costly, pushing the edge of paying for gas the whole month if not very well exceeding it. and you never own your own battery and if you do eventually buy your own, you know its gonna be like 10,000 dollars. after you done paid out alot of money per month.
what if you need a swap but not stations have any ready???? could be a wait time to go get a swap out. 1 hour. 10 hours. who knows. there would have to be alot of batteries ready to go on start up of a swapping station. so them stations would be WOOOOW....SUPER SUPER COSTLY to put in. if a city has say 10,000 EV's. 3,000 of them are battery swap setups. there would have to be at least 5 stations bare minimum to be able to handle the propper amount of battery charging, and storage of them. thats 600 batteries per station at 5 stations. so you know there will have to be a sht load more staions than that. i see 100 batteries max per station in all reality.
i can see why Tesla ruled that out as "unscalable"
them just some of the fast cons that i see with this method. only real plus side of it is, is the fast swap out....does that one pro, out weight the all the cons??? not really. not really at all actually. sounds better than it will actually be i bet.