Why were the Maui wildfires so deadly? | About That
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2023
- Many Lahaina wildfire survivors say they had no official warning before the blaze was upon them. As the number of people killed continues to rise, Andrew Chang explains why there are growing questions about the emergency response.
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At 01:44 when the Police Captain explains that "the remains they are finding is through a fire that melted metal," hearing the seemingly chaotic situation of warning sirens and the estimates that the fire was moving "a mile a minute", this doesn't sound like a typical wildfire.
almost like it was being fed by hurricane winds 😐
well, video evidence proves he is mistaken, maybe, at the time he was at one of the Korean bars by his office? The fire moved much slower than a mile a minute. Maybe, better training would help in his estimates.
Not at all.
Was the vegetation tinder dry?
Consider: Many were asleep; Sirens would have woke them up.
its not true that the fire moved a mile a minute and you can see that for yourself on numerous videos. Dirt bikers drove through town filming, people stood out in the middle of the street and filmed. It took much, much longer for the fire to move. People just disregarded the signs. there were fires there in 2018 and 2021. This was not new nor unique.
I hope this is a wake-up call for many communities. Get involved with your community's disaster management planning process. Tsunami, earthquake, fire, extreme weather events, etc. Know what the plan is. Know what your response should be. Know your options. Know what neighbors will need your help. Paradise, California had almost no warning. The town is still recovering. I know what it's like to feel the embers falling on you, to drive through fire, to not know if you will have a place to come back to. We were lucky to have helicopters on their way. They saved our community in 2007. Hearing a helicopter still sends me into a momentary panic. Sending prayers for your community.
Don't build in natural burn areas like this and won't have to worry about it.
@badmonkey2222 cities can burn too. Fires, power outages, tornados, snowstorms, earthquakes. What would you consider a safe location?
Nah I trust the government
@@beckyjohnstone1610 not in the middle of an area that burns naturally every few years, what's so hard about that to get to your head it's not rocket science. Just southwestern side of Maui is basically a desert low annual rainfall high temperatures low humidity downsloping winds off the mountains they've had multiple fires there over the years. Like Paradise California right in the middle of a temperate forest full up scrub brush, eucalyptus ,scrub oaks and dry spruce is a tinderbox that whole area burns naturally every few years as it's supposed to. It's really not that hard to understand bro.
@@badmonkey2222 like the grasses that were planted by the white’s imported from Africa that grow up to 6” in a day,in order for the cattle to graze on, that turn brown if not enough water is supplied and burn fast.
Or the water that was diverted by the same people from the area.
Do some research before posting nonsense
Car windshields are usually silica has a very high melting point that is over 2,000° C Most forest fires are at 800 C. Why was this fire hot enough to melt car glass?
because it was not natural fire. good point.
« look at my laser, duh! »
With the satnav screen behind it left intact
More than a thousand missing presumed dead.
1300 :((
The fact that there were no sirens going off while they were extremely dangerous fires burning, should be a huge red flag to anyone watching this video and following the situation. Make sure we are holding these politicians and those who’s job it is to work/operate the emergency sirens
Do you think they care?
The sirens going off in Hawai’i are usually tsunami warnings, which mean to head uphill away from the ocean. That would be exactly the wrong message to send and would have sent people toward the flames. There would have been even more deaths had the sirens sounded. The officials knew what they were doing in not sounding the sirens.
@azndragon75 who is they
This breaks my heart!! Praying for everyone in Maui!
I certainly think there are powerful lessons to learn from this disaster. The officials need to embrace the critical advice. Way too many lives lost to say "we did everything right."
Incredibly clear explanation, thank you.
You do know Maui often has high winds and fires? They never resulted into anything like this.
@@MsRoge25just like Paradise CA they had several close calls it's a natural burn area and it was only a matter of time. The climate on the southwestern side of Maui is basically like a high desert, very low humidity, low annual rainfall, scrub brush, strong downsloping winds off the mountains that heat up like a furnace, then you put a bunch of houses right in the middle of that and you're just asking for it, it wasn't if it was just a matter of when.
Most civil emergency sirens can transmit voice messages. On military bases I was stationed at we call the system the giant voice. These Maui systems could have easily transmitted a voice message to evacuate due to fire.
They can and they can also sound different sounds to identify different threats.
I was stationed at Schofield on Oahu and I remember hearing the emergency system multiple times in a year. This is dark.
can these government officials really sleep well at night.
Of course they can. They don't have a conscience.
Yeah, in the mansions we bought them
Also, there is one way in and one way out, thats it, sirens would have had to go off 2 hours before, the fire moved 1 mile every minute, no warning can save you from that, I know, been thru it in California
Same in Oregon and WA.
Seems like investors are trying to get their land so they RAZED it
Thank you for the details explanation. Always love your reporting 😊
My suspicion is it was HARRP or Blue Beam. It was on purpose . Normal fire doesn't burn like this.
or DEW
Is this Marjorie Taylor Greene😳. Everything doesn’t have to be a Conspiracy😳. It was a Natural Disaster, we have had thousands of them and they will continue. It’s sad but it’s life.
@@tivone13 We're at war, wake up
@@tivone13 People should not treat the powers that be like benevolent caretakers. What's the harm in holding them accountable? If there ends up being no evidence of that, then fine - move on with more investigation. I'm so tired of this gullible mindset
Having fought a brushfire with a VFD, most people have no idea just how quick a fire, that you think you have under control, can flare up in seconds, giving a stiff wind or change of direction. We all had to beat a hasty retreat one time. Smoke alone can overcome you if you don't have a proper mask. @@tivone13
Feel so sorry for them 😢
Its amazing how the fire created a PERFECT circle just around Lahaina, but didn't touch any million dollar celebrity homes around the entire area. How strange?
it's not entirely by chance. Lahaina was primary wooden buildings. It fueled the fire and allowed it to soread so rapidly.
The million pound houses were built to much better, more recent standards. They didnt catch fire in the same way and therefore the fire didnt spread to those areas
You're assuming control and choice is an easy thing for those in power. That's a bit silly.
Read about hanlons razor. The idea is that we often mistake incompetence for malice
@@archgirl7797 hummm, their trees must also be of a different kind and don't catch fires as most trees by the way... Even the trees above the burned cars as shown by the drone the day after the fires... Very interesting trees...
There's a video glitch at 2:45
Thank you. I am speechless. How can we help? the people that live far away from Hawaii
Thanks for this great analysis!
Fires travelling a mile a minute .....100 mph
Lahaina was incinerated in 17 minutes 💔
Amazing how grass a foot high can incinerate a whole town in minutes.
...or melt metal.
How can fire in trees and grass melt metal?
@@anzacman5...ummm because fire is hot? Have you no idea hot hot these types of wildfires can get?
@@eileenfrank3686 its pretty easy to melt aluminum
It looks like the main source of fuel was the houses...It started at the north end of town and swept south due to the fairly strong winds...Not really a "wildfire" more of a town fire.
USGS has real time public weather stations that are used to evaluate and predict weather . It includes prediction of outcome used by the public to plan their day.
They have the phone call system and the sirens, which didnt work. Was this a deliberate action ?
HAVEN'T EVEN FOUND THE PEOPLE AND YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO PUT PEOPLE DOWN 😢
It was so rapid ( the hurricane spread it quickly) and there was no warning.
This is what happens when you trust your government. A lot of politicians need to lose their job once things settle down.
Every time an aircraft lands safely, "the government" has done something right. Most people would ignore fire evacuation for the very reason your stating: don't trust the government. The irony.
But i would also add so dependent on govt. We need to return to the days of rugged individualism when people were much more self reliant
Background music not needed unless you think people will get bored watching this.
I wonder if the chief of police road blocking front street had anything to do with it?
Because they were intentionally set. They allowed people in the area and then shut them in. That's why. These were direct energy weapons. Property grab
🙏🏾 👀 TOTALLY AGREE WITH U 💯 🙏🏾🙏🏾💪🏾
another crazy
Wef agenda at work
@@malcolmfontenot4560hush up, the grown ups are talking
Where's the proof? Where's the evidence? Or are you going to continue hiding behind your absurd "Space Laser" conspiracy theory with ZERO evidence to support it? 🤡
What a tragic life lesson to all human.
We are going to see more and more fires in each summer.
LESSON ? HOW ABOUT MAKING THE POWER COMPANY WHO KNEW ABOUT THE FIRE DANGER PAY FOR THIS ORDEAL.
Why no sirens? Does anyone know?
That land is hella valuable. Gotta clear it for developers
I’m from East Tennessee and I live in Greene County. WGRV here sends me and everyone else who lives here texts about every single thing that happens here. Every weather alert be it watch, warning, or just a weather aware day. Tracks of storms. Every accident and routes to take to avoid emergency vehicles and traffic. School closures and the reasons. Routes to take during flood events. Amber alerts, Silver alerts. Power outages and followed up by the status of the repair. I’m completely serious…they tell us every single thing that’s happening here. Why doesn’t every county in every state have something like this?
in the report, they said cell service was down for 2 hours that day
In Hawaii, a lot of people would ignore such warnings. We have so many microclimates on each island that there would be a never-ending flow of weather updates. Wind gusts and lulls and changes direction constantly. It is usually very humid, but it was very arid that day because it was on the edge of a hurricane. This is hurricane season. Evey year storms start in the eastern Pacific and travel west. There’s a “cone of uncertainty,” a possible path. Every time the islands are in that path, the forecasters warn of potential landfall. There’s often a huge run on water, toilet paper and canned goods at Costco. So plenty of people take it seriously. But if you look at various commenters on news websites, you’ll see tons of people saying it’s all bs and that there’s nothing to worry about. In a way, they’re right. The chances of a hurricane hitting your particular neighborhood is very small. The chances of it veering off due to a change in water or atmospheric conditions, or hitting a volcano and getting sheared off, are much, much greater. Even in this fire, you had people stay at home thinking they could fight it off with a garden hose. Miscalculations all the way around. I’m not poohpoohing your idea, but I’m saying it would be extraordinarily complicated and expensive to implement, with not a lot of reward for the investment. Ultimately it would require human beings to make the right decisions, and they often don’t. And I this case, I don’t know what a good decision would have been. Some people fled south. Others fled north. Still others fled into the ocean. I’m sure it was the right decision for some, the wrong decision for many others.
They had zero warnings and roadblocks. NO cell service,NO text got through, and NO CABLE, People were not caught off guard. If you say that they were caught off guard, that reduces their chances for insurance claims. Stop putting them down, and let the live well.
sure Cheryl. you were there, everywhere at once, and know EVERYTHING
it was so fast that 1000s of people escaped the fire. how did 1000s escape a fire that was "too fast" ?
@@RobertMJohnsonthey closed the schools, hundreds of children were home alone. You don’t need to be rude. Stop it.
Robert I’m here
Some people are old
In wheelchairs
Kids at home parents at work
Families burned alive in cars with no outlet but one that was at a standstill.
Also: Many were asleep; Sirens would have woke them up.
In this case the ocean was your sanctuary.
Tsunami Warning would have people heading inland away from the ocean toward the fire.
That would be true if they had not only been used for hurricanes and anyone hearing the sirens would have know to at least look for danger. Because of the pacific tsunami early warning systems we are warned hours in advance of a tsunami these days
if i heard a siren and stepped outside and saw a fire a couple blocks away, im pretty sure i would figure out that the fire is the danger and to just get away from the fire.
@@archgirl7797 Well Dah.
Raging inferno two blocks away you certainly wouldn't need a siren.
You need it when it's a mile away.
Hawaii has had numerous false soundings even a false nuclear attack warning.
It was a compound in the ground . The residents said it camr from the ground. It was moving quicker then bob hayes.
Wouldn't you have gotten those supposed texts as soon as communication restored?
Simple! Maui's shadow major Bissen did not know what to do. Nothing more complicated than that. Maui and Lahaina were built on sugar cane. Care fire often got away in high winds. Other mayors knew what to do.
Sending Love and Aloha from Hana...🌺😢🌺
Has anyone else noticed every reporter uses the word "WILDFIRES" over and over again? In my experience forests or brush or some kind of wood is needed in order to have a wild fire. Matter of fact trees and foliage and even umbrellas were untouched right next to a burned out car. Things that make me go hmmmmmmmm.
the buildings in lahaina were primarily built of wood. that's what fueled the fire, the whole town was a tinderbox
In Mexico City, the alarm for Earthquakes isn't just a dumb siren with a pattern and then try to remember the effing pattern during the crisis "what it is" the alarm clearly says "Alerta Sismica" besides the Alarm, precisely to avoid the confusion.
How often do fires melt metal?
A perfect storm 🗽
The Maui fire was MAN MADE. The people responsible MUST be charged with mass murder.
agreed 100%
Terrain and flora types all add to the potential strength of a fire. Bushfires also create their own weather system, just adding to the already strong winds. If there is no history of bushfires there is probably not a wide fire awareness. It would be like here in Australia suddenly trying to deal with a volcano or large tsunami. I hope there are improved fire management and evacuation policies put in place from the formal enquiry into the fire. In Australia we know that a fire affected area has to be 'processed' before residents are allow back in. Authorities have to search, retrieve and catalogue any human remains before public access. There is always frustration but it has to be done. I am always shocked when I see images of an area razed by fire and only vague outlines left. It's so sad.
wrong. undeniable directed energy weapons.
The affects of the fire remind me about the fire bombing for the German city of Dresden how the fire storms formed and incinerated the city, the high winds are similar to the affects that the fire storm
Not trying to be a smarty pants here but if someone could whip up a mess of quonset huts relatively quick, wouldn't that be a good structure to use. At least temporarily.
There will be 10s of thousands of lives lost if you ask me.i wasn't there, but this appears to have moved so impossibly fast, i will be surprised if there are more survivors than victims.
This is..... horrible! Its the only way to describe it! And i have a strong feeling that the official cause of the fire will not match what we have all aready seen.
I believe this was an attack by Directed Energy Weapons either from space, or a BALLOON Or a high altitude plane.
This wasnt the only massive fire this week either. Its happening in other countries.
From what I understand it was a grass fire with Highwinds
Agreed it was a fire,I live near talent oregon,or what used to be talent, fire destroyed the town in no time flat, my birth town burned this year there was no lasers. Fire Is potent,powerful, and we often deify it for being the ultimate destruction, we ascribe this to help the mind and soul accept this Force that can level towns in a heartbeat. Pele.
The police chief in charge was also the same guy at the Vegas shooting.
Coincidence??. False flag
Look out for an upcoming conference in Hawaii.
Take your meds on time please
the power lines blocking the road need investigated and people told the results. #1 if they were high tension power feeds, they should never be in position to block the only escape route. #2 Hawaii power said they placed the grid in 'no reconnect' so that if a line does go down and/or break the system will not try to reonnect. It has to manuall be done.
So the power lines across the southern route? Were they EVEN ON ? Did the police block the road for no reason?
They pushed cars north back into the fire path.....why?
(our towns fire truck has driven over down power lines before to get to a fire, if my choice was burn up or drive over I would have taken my chances)
Why was it so deadly you ask?
The fire came down slope in 60 mph winds and burned Lahaina and many many people who had no idea it was coming.
It burned down Lahaina in 17 minutes.
We’ve never had an event like this.
Our sirens are for tsunamis
We will figure this out and Hawaii will have the best alert system for the new reality of fires that have never happened like this before.
Sirens would have made people look outside no one would have run up a hill i to fire -- they would at least see it coming and many would have more time to get close to the ocean 🌸
Yeah perhaps. I wish they had activated them and I don’t know why they didn’t
it was to fast and there was nothing that could stop it
D.E.W.
The sirens were Working , They Chose to Not turn them on because they said they only use those sirens for tsunami warnings
Man I really like your reporting - fantastic. Any chance of #CBCNews breaking you off to your own channel?
How can boats in the water catch on fire?
The only CBC program i watch!
They wouldn’t let them leave when they tryd. It’s obvious what is going on. This isn’t rocket science ppl.
I know a story about Lissabon / Portugal there happend the same strong winds and fire a deadly too fast to stop !
Lissabon burned not just once the locals tell us
Im sorry about what happend but we life in 2023 there should to be a plan and warning !!
Why do Americans need someone to blame?
😁😁😁😁
Because they rather believe baseless loonie conspiracy theories instead of the fact that golab warming in causing more fires
US military, in Hawaii, needs more land to build to boost its command control centre of Pacific security.
Why do we give billions to other countries, but we can't help ourselves? God Bless them.....
Sen Shotz lives in DC
No judgment but complacency makes us weak as humans we always expects someone els to be vigilant. We don't want to be keepers of our brothers but not even for ourselves.
May we find our way back to the real keeper of our lives
The repetitive background noise is so disturbing that I cannot continue. Please don’t torture viewers with this kind of audio noise when customers are trying to learn something.
see people, you can't trust government, the people responsible for sounding the alarm considered it was a bad idea.
Did he just say that the steel melted?? these fires don't get hetter then 1200 c steel melts at 1350 c something is off here , looks like they were trying out there new high tech weapon again the same one they used in california
You commentary is awesome!
Lots of disorganized lack of Mayors messages of communication to the West Side, especially about “?placards” Poor Emergency Evacuation Plans🤦🏻♀️
In MEXICO in the poorest of Barrios have Mayors daily prerecorded messages and a driver in beat up car drives thru poor barrios to give messages by cheap loud speaker in their car…🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
No excuse!
You have MPD to come thru🤷🏻♀️🤬
Moral of the story: the govt can't handle an emergency of any kind
Oh good grief this was a once in a lifetime event they will learn now
Stop all the drawn out bs! Direct energy so they can put up hotel motels & buy out the land!
You should be asking why da Government didn't make use of 2 or 3 wk in preparing getting everything in good working condition. They had 2 to 3 week before Hurricane Dora hits da HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. Neglected da opportunity to get ready for Dora. Now Da Government is to Blame for da victims love ones , Victor's houses, Infact everything they Lost. SAY NO MORE.
Hurricane Dora hit Hawaii? Wasn’t it over 500 miles away and wasn’t too much of a threat? Sure, bring higher winds and rain, but hurricane level wind? Some powerful crystal ball…
This was direct energy weapon. The pattern does not fit willdfire patterns at all. A land grab olain and simple
Locals didn't want to sell, they're going to snatch it
No one pays attention to the weather report, that's why ? And also poor management as well !
Michael Jaco
Proof Maui was hit by DEW!!!
Intentional
God Bless the People of Maui
Love & Aloha to all.
When I see a sign language translator I get very suspicious.
This was not and is not a natural disaster ppl. Wake up. It’s extreme tragedy and my heart goes out to those whome lost lives and possessions. There is responsibility to this and it’s absolutely not Mother Nature
News ain't gone tell no truth😒🍻🍺
NO WARNING COULD HAVE SAVED PEOPLE BETWEEN FIRE AND THE WIND..
Not true! When Mayor decided to close the schools, instead of sending those children home, HE should have ordered them busses from the other side to get them to safety!! NOT go home!!!
Many children died and the Media numbers are fabricated.
sadly there was no place for them to go
It was the wind
This was done on purpose!!
I think a lot of the structures that went so fast were old school tongue and groove style homes. But it's still so confusing about the vehicles and how certain buildings clearly were not even affected by smoke really?
Trust government "experts". Empty fire hydrants, no warning, still no explanation of how it happened and absolute devastation. This is completely and exclusively the failure of the local, state and federal government.
People died because they are used to slow moving lava not fast moving fire. Oh. Is it true no water in hydrants? That could attribute
Lava on Maui? Maui folk are about 6 or 7 generations removed from the last eruption, which occurred on the other side of the island
1300 missing means 1300 dead
We all need to prepare and expect the worst as our climate is rapidly changing !!!!
This. ⬆⬆
What you've stated is not 'alarmism'... you have stated observable fact. We do not live in the same world we lived in even five years ago.
Actually, it isn't...The media is sensationalizing normal weather events to panic people into surrendering their freedom.
horseapples
It's always about people. I wonder how much "life" was snuffed out.
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We as a society are not trained properly for things like this. People are not trained to heed first warning. Remember Katrina? Unfortunately all wait for last minute, move now. Electric fails in disaster. Highways get blocked. Those that listen and take action, get out. What if they were told that morning to leave just encase? Would they have done it? There were some that did at first sign of danger. These people aren’t on your show! I do feel deeply sorry for this tragedy. We all need to learn from it and listen to the 1st warning and not wait for authorities to have to make us move. Now all we can do is get out of the way and let the authorities do their job and pick up the pieces. Again my deepest respect and condolences to all involved in this tragedy.
The great Maui reset
NO, THIS FIRE WAS SO DEADLY BECAUSE PEOPLE BUILD RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A NATURAL BURN AREA!!! JUST LIKE PARADISE CA. PEOPLE ARE HARD HEADED. People are bound and determined to keep building in these natural burn areas, This disaster has been predicted for years on the southwestern side of Maui they've had several bad fires just like in Paradise one of the worst possible places you can build a home because both are natural burn areas the climate is Mediterranean like, low annual rainfall, scrub brush, low humanity, high downsloping winds that heat up and fry out as they come off the mountain. I was in Maui about 10 years ago and it was so dry the wind dried my ribs and skin out so bad, mally has basically five different climates just on one Island. If you go to the northeastern side of the island is like rainforest, you got a mountain range in the middle that actually has snowball certain times of the year and then the South Western side of the island which is basically like a desert where this fire happened. It actually infuriates me that when people act like they're surprised that this happened, it's no surprise it was expected it was just a matter of when, just like in Paradise CA.
Interesting to know and it makes sense.
I agree, the signs were there and the authorities refused to acknowledge it. And unfortunately lives were lossed
2 words; voltage regulation, why can't i shake the 'ion cannon' from C&c out of my head..
Well spoken .. RIP to the lost Life of Hawaii
They should have used the sirens at least to wake up people 😅
Sirens should have different sounds for different emergencies and THEY knew and were told wildfires were possible, but instead of safety, they spent money on green energy initiatives.
Clear dried brush from your property.
Let people water their lawns
The cbc is a great source for hearing the opposite of the truth.
English Standard Version
The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”
That was very powerful, CBC. Very well done.
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