Why do Arsenal and Man City keep scoring the same goal?

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  • @oslonorway547
    @oslonorway547 Рік тому +577

    Anyone old enough remembers this style of crossing was a trademark of Arsenal from the days of Pires, Bergkamp, Wiltord, Henry. It was their thing everyone knew Arsenal for. It works for obvious reasons, as described here.

    • @sebastianmathew3193
      @sebastianmathew3193 Рік тому +3

      It is also a man City trademark

    • @sarahjessicafarter7383
      @sarahjessicafarter7383 Рік тому +18

      Wiltord was epic but those other 3 were crap.

    • @zenkaiforms
      @zenkaiforms Рік тому +67

      @@sarahjessicafarter7383no way you just said henry ,bergkamp and pires are crap 😐

    • @otto_jk
      @otto_jk Рік тому +43

      @@zenkaiforms They are a troll, please ignore

    • @sarahjessicafarter7383
      @sarahjessicafarter7383 Рік тому +4

      @@otto_jk Stop trying to boss him around. You are a bossy boots. He can choose for himself who he ignores.

  • @mylittlethoughttree
    @mylittlethoughttree Рік тому +93

    So Arteta developed his tactics based on the way I used to play Pro Evo at university? I never knew I had so much influence

    • @BGeezy4sheezy
      @BGeezy4sheezy Рік тому +4

      This was by far the best way to score in PES- that was my first though on seeing this video

  • @mkram2154
    @mkram2154 Рік тому +141

    Cutback goals were Arsenal’s greatest weapon under Arsene Wenger.

  • @DEEDUBZ
    @DEEDUBZ Рік тому +295

    That's The Arsenal's trademark for goals going back to the early 2000s. If you weren't watching them play in person on matchday, or if the match weren't televised because it was a 3PM Saturday afternoon kick off, then you just knew when The Arsenal took the lead early on, it was a cutback goal.

    • @afanwithagun
      @afanwithagun Рік тому +34

      Tell 'em.. classic Wenger ball was light years ahead.. when Pep revived Barca's tiki-taka we were already familiar. The only difference was that Barca was doing it with world-class superstars and Wenger was doing it with mere nobodies for the majority of the time..

    • @DEEDUBZ
      @DEEDUBZ Рік тому +10

      @@afanwithagun Yep (those days of checking on Teletext or Gillette Scooer Saturday). And not excluding the fact that The Arsenal have always had a small squad; which when you put in all the factors in together, has cost them some major honours over the years since. If you want to not just win major honours, but to dominate after you win major honours, you need to have a big squad by spending money bringing in quality players during transfer windows.

    • @afanwithagun
      @afanwithagun Рік тому +4

      ​@@DEEDUBZ That's the one bit of history that I regret. For many years we had the manager, but moving to the Emirates meant, we didn't have the resources to compete. We could've won this league at least 3 - 4 times between 2006 and 2016..

    • @DEEDUBZ
      @DEEDUBZ Рік тому +1

      @@afanwithagun I'm actually talking before the move to the new statdium

    • @BGeezy4sheezy
      @BGeezy4sheezy Рік тому +3

      @@afanwithagun Wenger was a genius, but he grew more stubborn as he aged, and refused to spend money on improving the squad even when money was available. He persisted with players that weren’t good enough because he was determined to win a certain way

  • @timeisontheessence
    @timeisontheessence Рік тому +82

    The best cutback I've seen was when D. Silva scored his goal vs Stoke after a through pass from Sane and then a cutback from Sterling. This was in the 17/18 season

  • @ektsetse
    @ektsetse Рік тому +30

    Wenger’s teams have been doing them for ages. As well as the wall and reverse passes.

    • @AhmedzackHD
      @AhmedzackHD Рік тому +2

      Yeah remember even against Barca, Arshaaaaviin

  • @WaterCarrier07
    @WaterCarrier07 Рік тому +147

    Cutbacks make sense momentum of opponents are going one way, ball is going the other 😬 classic fifa

    • @pooroldnostradamus
      @pooroldnostradamus Рік тому +1

      Ah, yes, the most satisfying of goals

    • @denzz..
      @denzz.. Рік тому +4

      Oh, man
      Almost always works in Fifa, even if the opponent expects it😅

    • @lukemclellan2141
      @lukemclellan2141 Рік тому

      Classic SWOS

    • @Kururin7x
      @Kururin7x Рік тому +1

      average sweats 🤣🤣

  • @WaterCarrier07
    @WaterCarrier07 Рік тому +63

    Prime city was Sterling and Sane cutting the ball back playing on their natural side

    • @Wilcoranking
      @Wilcoranking Рік тому +6

      The inverted winger craze is a fad that I wish would die a quick death. It slows the game down because wingers are dribbling with the foot closest to the defender which is easier for the fullback. If most of the these defenders would force the winger down the outside they can't cut inside and bomb away at goal. If they manage cross with the weaker foot you live with that because it's more than likely won't be a good one

    • @WaterCarrier07
      @WaterCarrier07 Рік тому +1

      @@Wilcoranking I do miss wingers taking it to the goal line and cutting it back it’s so effective

    • @Timbone07
      @Timbone07 Рік тому +1

      Man City don't have such pacy wingers anymore

    • @Brandooooo5
      @Brandooooo5 Рік тому

      @@Wilcoranking Thing is that cutbacks don't require as much precision so most wingers are fine playing inverted as so many players are adept with both feet nowadays

    • @Wilcoranking
      @Wilcoranking Рік тому

      @@Brandooooo5 if players are so adept with both feet then it shouldn't matter which wing they play on.
      You're actually arguing against your point. If accuracy isn't as big a deal then a left footed player on the left (where he belongs)can cut in and whack with the right since the need for accuracy is less. It is dribbling that's the more difficult skill, when the player carries the ball on the side further away from the defender there is a greater chance of getting past or getting fouled.
      I blame Robben for this fad going on, his unique skillset made playing on the right so effective but most wingers aren't Robben.
      Any defender will tell you the most difficult thing to deal with is a cross coming in while running full tilt towards your own goal, you don't know where the striker is, there's a possibility of miscommunication with the keeper and any miscue puts the ball in the net.
      A cutback shot is a low percentage one and strikers become spectators and have to get out the way, which they hate. Look what's happening to Haaland and Lewandowski as examples, they thrive on even a few crosses ever so often even if not as regular.

  • @MacrobianNomad
    @MacrobianNomad Рік тому +4

    Wengerball cutbacks were literally Arsenal's signature when Pep was still playing football without any coaching badges, come on now.

  • @BillySnowball
    @BillySnowball Рік тому +1

    I'd like to add to the discourse; although a popular tactic used at uni on Pro evolution soccer 5 it dates at least from Fifa 2001 and possibly earlier

  • @afanwithagun
    @afanwithagun Рік тому +72

    Arteta is a genius.. Guardiola was lucky to learn new things from him..

    • @wayg2195
      @wayg2195 Рік тому +5

      Stillmatic

    • @wayg2195
      @wayg2195 Рік тому +2

      Stillmatic

    • @VelvetMetrolink
      @VelvetMetrolink Рік тому +4

      Weird then how he's winning 4-1 on aggregate this season with a home game still to come.

    • @afanwithagun
      @afanwithagun Рік тому +18

      @@VelvetMetrolink because he has a better squad.. Wait till Arteta has a squad as good as his..
      Football fans fail to analyze football with a brain.. A brilliant manager can only do as much, the rest depends on the quality and depth of the team. Arteta’s journey at Arsenal is to implement that. The philosophy is there already, now it’s about making the team competitive and have quality players in all positions including the bench.. That what advantages Guardiola

    • @afanwithagun
      @afanwithagun Рік тому

      ​@@wayg2195 Which one is your favourite from Illmatic, It Was Written & Stillmatic?

  • @danishislam
    @danishislam Рік тому +4

    City down 0-2 to Spurs a few weeks back...mentality monsters...performance of champions from City and came back to win 4-2. Also, something to explain, this is the first season where Arteta has his own full team, we of course donot have a squad like City but next years we should be challenging again, of course finishing 2nd to this City behemoth is no slack and we can go again next season and just to be in the conversation took time for Arteta and challenging Pep ,Klopp, Ten Hag is no small feat, so proud of this young team

  • @laluglu_
    @laluglu_ Рік тому +5

    Yep i used to score loads from cutbacks on old PES games

  • @Ario92
    @Ario92 Рік тому +15

    I'd love to see some analysis on the typical Man City goal
    It's the through ball to a wide player in the box, then the low driven cross straight across the face of goal for the opposite attacking player who has an open goal.
    They're masters of it, and I don't think it's complicated I just think they have the speed and sharpness and have synchronised the movements and timing perfectly.

    • @umarmars47
      @umarmars47 Рік тому

      Yes you're right, I noticed it too. It's sooo perfectly executed and well timed that made it impossible to defend

    • @commentarytalk1446
      @commentarytalk1446 Рік тому

      Agree, accurate observation at least from memory. I guess stats back it up.

  • @jadmantoura4483
    @jadmantoura4483 Рік тому +7

    The last time Arsenal were this good at cutbacks, 55 people lost their jobs.

  • @jkkchow74
    @jkkchow74 Рік тому +23

    That was a perfect circle... you are a genius JJ

  • @thrombolic
    @thrombolic Рік тому +6

    Key benefits of cutbacks: 1. Unmarked third player runs
    2. Goalkeeper looses his most important feature: broad vision
    3. Low skill level required for finish (usually tap ins ) - the real challenge is timing the runs ⚽️

  • @TheDradge
    @TheDradge Рік тому +1

    You have lots of complex diagrams but you missed the obvious reason: you can't be offside from a cutback goal.

  • @MadGnu
    @MadGnu Рік тому +4

    This is how I score 66-75% of my goals in FIFA since like 2010

  • @commentarytalk1446
    @commentarytalk1446 Рік тому +1

    Atletico would do a long or mid ball to that position and then head over to runners to head in to goal in past seasons. That position is a clear gap in the defence that can't be held by a defender so it's a good place to get the ball to as well as cutting back to strikers running onto the ball onside.

  • @collinwhitehead
    @collinwhitehead Рік тому +5

    Love how you added - Michael Scott to the quote just like he did in the show with the Wayne Gretzky quote

  • @ToddParker
    @ToddParker Рік тому

    The further away from goal the team is draws a higher line and more space between goal keeper and last defender so an early cross like TAA at Liverpool is a situation where the ball played from the middle third can attack space. The closer to goal the ball gets as you attack a low block into the final third means there is little space so the ball MUST attack feet. This is a coaching principle, yet if you watch a lot of teams play over the years teams get this wrong with "blind crosses." Big heads can win the ball yet because of the lack of space this is still a low probability chance in the area known as "Big Chance" and relies on defenders or GK making mistakes. Only way that tactic works is having a #9 who is magnificent in the air, so it can work; yet teams who don't even have that still seem to attack this way not appreciating space and the need to attack feet with the final ball when space doesn't exist. What Pep and Mikel have done is create a common sense approach to an old coaching principle as you teach players when a final ball should attack space (high line from the middle third) or when a ball should attack feet (final third when space is far smaller).

  • @AMbradfordfilms
    @AMbradfordfilms Рік тому

    The same reason the Canadian nat team was punching above their weight. They had a front three with the speed and skills to make cutbacks, which is higher chance than a high cross, which is higher than a low cross, ect ect.

  • @harryeast95
    @harryeast95 Рік тому +1

    Tifo IRL has practically become an Arsenal Tactics channel. Get the inverting the pyramid guy back; I'm interested in his thoughts on Arteta.

  • @en1324
    @en1324 Рік тому +12

    the only type of goal I score on FIFA 😅

  • @awesimo4684
    @awesimo4684 Рік тому +1

    It's a natural consequence of a false 9 style of play.
    I know Man City have Haaland now, but they still often play this way, and that has been the subject of much debate among pundits.

  • @DZestyHD
    @DZestyHD Рік тому

    After watching fitbathatba for years, it really shook me to see JJ talking serious sense about football

  • @9-9182
    @9-9182 Рік тому +31

    cutbacks are always a 100% goal

    • @30ladapo
      @30ladapo Рік тому +4

      Unless raheem sterling is on the end of them

    • @ParisianWeetabix
      @ParisianWeetabix Рік тому +3

      he's a little confused but he's got the spirit

    • @Lofize
      @Lofize Рік тому +1

      ​@@30ladapo was going to say the same

    • @hmm5176
      @hmm5176 Рік тому

      FUT moment

    • @9-9182
      @9-9182 Рік тому

      @@Antonio-hb8rd thanks

  • @arvisconti
    @arvisconti Рік тому

    I used to play FIFA and saw that this is nothing like how football is played. Now the game has evolved to the point that it looks more and more like a video game.

  • @pfx2259
    @pfx2259 Рік тому +3

    Emery’s Arsenal is all cut backs to Auba and Ramsey.

  • @weswheel4834
    @weswheel4834 Рік тому +10

    Are you just on a mission to wind up Spurs fans this week?

  • @Omnis2
    @Omnis2 Рік тому +10

    I think Man City's cutbacks were all during the first couple of games when people didn't know what to do with Haaland. It should be easier to create chances with how good Haaland is. It's crazy that Arsenal are the ones with SO many, however.

  • @super_organist
    @super_organist Рік тому +2

    I wonder if footballers or coaches watch Tifo football? But I remember the Liverpool throw in coach making reference to a statistic from Tifo which is quite interesting

  • @kipzonderkop1994
    @kipzonderkop1994 Рік тому

    When you do the overlay, can you make it a bit bigger so you can’t see the arms behind it? It gets distracting seeing 4 arms

  • @marteb4453
    @marteb4453 Рік тому

    Dortmund did this a lot under their first season with Tuchel.
    Also a similar Coach to Pep and Arteta

  • @finnbootes1862
    @finnbootes1862 Рік тому +1

    arsenal did this repeatedly in the last 20 mins of the everton game. it was total dominance towards the end of that match.

  • @nicolasnicolas3889
    @nicolasnicolas3889 Рік тому

    John Robertson Nottingham Forest....he used to beat a man and cut the ball back, awesome player! ;D

  • @jimburchett
    @jimburchett Рік тому

    odd question, i started watching football in 2009. lately, i've noticed folks referring to the "goalie" and not the keeper - like in this vid somewhere around 3 minute mark. is this new?

  • @hafizulhusin2203
    @hafizulhusin2203 Рік тому +1

    Great quote by Michael Scott

    • @DjokerFan
      @DjokerFan Рік тому

      I am surprised nobody noticed it

  • @Tulanwarrior
    @Tulanwarrior Рік тому +2

    I just realized thats a pretty tiny goal in the graphic. is that a rondo goal? lol

  • @dankeman5266
    @dankeman5266 Рік тому

    3:20 „by f***ing tricking the defense“ or what??? 😂

  • @frankunodostres473
    @frankunodostres473 Рік тому +1

    better question: why do you keep changing video titles hours after releasing them?

  • @Hammez-vq1uz
    @Hammez-vq1uz Рік тому

    Jorginho Also banged from that area

  • @Cordoloinar
    @Cordoloinar Рік тому +1

    You may not like it, but PES5 was what peak football gaming looked like.

  • @saddammall3337
    @saddammall3337 Рік тому

    Ever watched adam sandlers waterboy.....some assistant coach stole a playbook...top the table ..but in the end they come up short

  • @jonyu9333
    @jonyu9333 Рік тому +2

    When I did it in fifa. My online opponent called it a sweat goal 😢. Lol

  • @kasssius
    @kasssius Рік тому

    I would think that this would be the perfect timing to get that Castolo poster back in the background

  • @johanhalvarsson2148
    @johanhalvarsson2148 Рік тому +1

    You can always give the ball to Lloris and he'll throw the ball into the goal himself though.

  • @tktkho4415
    @tktkho4415 Рік тому

    4--5-1 is one of the top formation if not the best one in football for me

  • @jonpaul3868
    @jonpaul3868 Рік тому

    Croatia style of attacking in Davor Super gen. Basically an inbox shots. The type of xG goers like.

  • @natextreme_
    @natextreme_ Рік тому

    I think it was FIFA 09 you could just run down the wing, double tap square for a low cutback cross and it was nearly a guaranteed goal

  • @eldararnautovic2797
    @eldararnautovic2797 Рік тому +1

    Messi scored like 60 goals from cutbacks by Alba

  • @fangdog29
    @fangdog29 Рік тому

    In the 15-16 season, arsenal had(at one stage) more cutback goals than straight up forward pass goals.

  • @mikolak-ja
    @mikolak-ja Рік тому

    Guys, I love your style, like Stranger Things nerd, but in 2020s :D and kudos for a great work

  • @mourningireland4560
    @mourningireland4560 Рік тому

    Mint vid.

  • @KindredBrujah
    @KindredBrujah Рік тому

    Still works as of at least FIFA 22, incidentally. Not played 23 yet.

  • @KT-ki6gz
    @KT-ki6gz Рік тому +7

    Everton 0/16 on their attempts 😂

    • @geronimo8159
      @geronimo8159 Рік тому +3

      They tried, OK 🤷‍♂️?

    • @bob_bobsen
      @bob_bobsen Рік тому

      Their inability to figure out strikers is hilarious

  • @zeenyzee
    @zeenyzee Рік тому

    Wow the change in the title

  • @serpico3w767
    @serpico3w767 Рік тому

    Carvajal, Ronaldo and Real Madrid : Doing this since 1669

  • @juanfranciscocormick5000
    @juanfranciscocormick5000 Рік тому

    I always knew Michael Scott was a football genius

  • @OOzd95
    @OOzd95 Рік тому +2

    These guys say the most simple concepts and act line geniuses lmao

  • @thefootballpunnedit
    @thefootballpunnedit Рік тому

    I hate xG for minimising the amount of 30 yard pearlers we get per season.

  • @jordonbooman9913
    @jordonbooman9913 Рік тому +6

    Sweaty goals

  • @muhammedgamal5871
    @muhammedgamal5871 Рік тому

    Watching this now made me feel confused, as i don't think arsenal is that good, the team is still building
    But anyway this analysis was very good

  • @ShalinThakkar
    @ShalinThakkar Рік тому

    Does that mean that classic winger is better than inverted winger?

  • @saadmanalam7283
    @saadmanalam7283 Рік тому +2

    They may not share the same hairline, but they do share the same braincell.

  • @gaslichttorwachter5939
    @gaslichttorwachter5939 Рік тому +1

    Arteta invented the cutback 😯😯

  • @sld1776
    @sld1776 Рік тому +1

    It's called "el pase de la muerte" (the death pass) in Latin American Football culture. For a reason.

  • @condimentofmassdestruction9114

    About cross from half space KDB make them a lot.

  • @hb3393
    @hb3393 Рік тому

    Also how Lampard scored so many

  • @30sic
    @30sic Рік тому

    3:36 it's 5 of their 66 goals this season in the league. "Keep scoring"?

  • @michaelgay7789
    @michaelgay7789 Рік тому

    Not always

  • @eleonarcrimson858
    @eleonarcrimson858 Рік тому

    I feel like dortumund needed to watch this video before the chelsea game.

  • @obinnaokeke329
    @obinnaokeke329 Рік тому

    You missed the Jorginho goal, cut back from Martinelli

  • @13kaxno13
    @13kaxno13 Рік тому

    I wanna be as efficient with something one day, as he is with that smart table

  • @blanco23
    @blanco23 Рік тому

    The same with jorginho goal vs villa

  • @DidwmBasumatary
    @DidwmBasumatary Рік тому

    if Emile smith Rowe had been fit, arsenal would have scored 20 from cutbacks, he's that good

  • @Emrajbari
    @Emrajbari Рік тому

    Even in fifa 23 this is the way to score goals against deep defence …

  • @stuffbyaaron1811
    @stuffbyaaron1811 Рік тому

    So they do it the most, but are actually ~6th/7th best in the league at actually converting these type of chances?

  • @DEKINSPORT
    @DEKINSPORT Рік тому

    Marcelo Bielsa's "pase de la muerte" 🤪

  • @AdamCameronKing
    @AdamCameronKing Рік тому +1

    The thing about Arsenal is they always try to walk it in.

  • @9-9182
    @9-9182 Рік тому +4

    first idc what that tree guy said

  • @g.u9483
    @g.u9483 Рік тому

    Lol I love this channel but these dudes are always exposing everything 😂 but keep up the good work

  • @Maj1794
    @Maj1794 Рік тому

    Cutbacks are elite

  • @corkak
    @corkak Рік тому

    That’s the thing about the Arsenal, they always try to pass it in

  • @Starchild053
    @Starchild053 Рік тому

    "centro atrás es medio gol"

  • @krooscontrol9019
    @krooscontrol9019 Рік тому

    We gave hard time to emery for cut backs 😂

  • @zachariasarmini2017
    @zachariasarmini2017 Рік тому +2

    Tree is goated

    • @9-9182
      @9-9182 Рік тому

      i love tree

  • @Louback33
    @Louback33 Рік тому +2

    This video presents Arsenal as being good at the cutback, when the data suggests they just do it alot, without much success, at only an 8% success rate, with City 3x more successful and Liverpool 2x more successful, based on covsersion %.

  • @containedhurricane
    @containedhurricane Рік тому +2

    Because Arteta doesn't have Osimhen or Vlahovic to convert long crosses from the byline. Guardiola has Haaland now

  • @smith549371
    @smith549371 Рік тому

    Alex fergusons United would do this all the time...its nothing new

  • @dalbalgbusc
    @dalbalgbusc Рік тому

    This is how I score 90% of my goals in fifa

  • @ghidew7
    @ghidew7 Рік тому

    Thank you Tifo Football for blessing us with football knowledge

  • @steveclout239
    @steveclout239 Рік тому

    You know Arsenal. They like to walk it in.

  • @M1d32
    @M1d32 Рік тому +2

    Kolasinac’s cutbacks were like his only viable weapons, shame he wasn’t salvageable under Arteta.

    • @MrBongobongbongo
      @MrBongobongbongo Рік тому

      He does alot more defensively and he gets assist, 04.

    • @M1d32
      @M1d32 Рік тому

      @@MrBongobongbongo what?

  • @GarlicOasis
    @GarlicOasis Рік тому

    Did you change the title? lol

  • @mhtv5959
    @mhtv5959 Рік тому +1

    As if they're the only ones using this smh

    • @danpreston564
      @danpreston564 Рік тому +2

      But you can see how much kore they’re using it than other teams. That’s the point, right?

  • @PristianoPenaldoSUIIII
    @PristianoPenaldoSUIIII Рік тому

    But when I do it it's called a sweaty goal ffs

  • @vm1510
    @vm1510 Рік тому

    Hey that's how I score in Fifa too

  • @DerekGoulding
    @DerekGoulding Рік тому

    Mahrez is king @jj