Closing the Table Tennis Gap & Re-Learning Tough Serve Lessons 🏓🔥Match 9 vs Eric

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  • @ramonbmovies
    @ramonbmovies 2 дні тому

    Good playing. You've improved. Just practice a couple things at a time. 1 - Reading serve. 2 - follow your own serve w/ a 3rd-ball attack. What I'd have you do if I were your coach is, rather than fixing your stroke (there's too many things wrong w/ it atm), I'd have you serve to me. Then, I'd give you an easy ball to attack. Then, I'd have you attack that 3rd ball. Serve, watch for where the ball will go, and attack. Serve, watch, attack. Serve and attack. I'd have you practice that for 10-15 minutes just so you get the hang of the pace of the game - it's very fast. Occasionally, I'd give you a difficult ball to attack just for fun (yours and mine, lol). Anyway, you missed a lot of perfect balls to attack. We call that "beating yourself." So, just practice serve and then attack. And then you could also practice reading the spin on the serve. Everything else will come w/ time.

  • @knotwilg3596
    @knotwilg3596 3 дні тому

    As said, Eric is providing you with "spin reading" training. You did better already, identifying some backspin serves, returning them with push or loop. He has a lot of variety in type of serve, so as soon as you read one of them, he goes for the other. Very intricate opponent.
    Don't be too hard on yourself for making forehand pushes against long pushes or backspin serves, since your topspin against backspin is still under development. Getting the ball back on the table is a very good tactic and builds confidence.
    Other than practicing reading spin, I would also experiment with other types of serves. You are serving a lot short to the forehand, which removes the element of surprise and is not without risk either. Is it feasible to start practicing and employing the pendulum serve? That will give you a lot of variety, including the opposite sidespin to your current backhand serve.
    In terms of improvements made, you are maintaining the habit keeping the bat high most of the time. Only when doing long backspin serves like 1:52, you go back to the big motion, even dropping the bat next, complicating 3rd ball.

  • @GeoGeo451
    @GeoGeo451 3 дні тому +1

    Hey your moving well again, I know you have been getting a lot of technical information thrown at you but an easy one would be turning your right foot about 90 degrees When the ball comes to your forehand side. So the idea here is as soon as you see a ball coming to your forehand you move your feet with the intention of getting your right foot turned out 90 and in the correct postion. You make this your first priority in your preparation for the stroke. It will get you in the correct position and force you to rotate the body to the right for your backswing. It also helps you not to throw your elbow too far behind your body, which is what a lot of newer players do as a first instinct.

    • @knotwilg3596
      @knotwilg3596 3 дні тому

      I second that.

    • @lt.kettch
      @lt.kettch 3 дні тому

      @@GeoGeo451 I concur. Just be careful: stay on your toes as you shift your weight and do not to strain your knee

  • @lt.kettch
    @lt.kettch 4 дні тому

    It looks like, on some of your FH loop vs backspin, your paddle is a little too closed. It's causing you to brush the top of the ball, which is why the ball lacks arc and flies straight and into the net.
    Try to keep your elbow pointed more down, about a fist width away from your torso. That way, if you swing along the bend of your elbow, you'll naturally create more arc on the ball's trajectory. Use your hip and right leg to "kick" the ball forward... Like when your hands are full and there is a drawer in front of you you're trying to close with your right hip.
    Keep up the good work! When you can loop 10 backspin balls in a row, I'm sure your kids will start loving you again 👍

    • @BenSucksAtPingPong
      @BenSucksAtPingPong  4 дні тому +1

      AH MAN MY KIDS ARE LOST FOREVER THEN. :'''(
      That's my weakest shot by far.
      I really need to quit my job, dedicate my life to monktitude, and just loop against backsping until it's so good no one will give me a chance to use it.
      Great explaination on this, by the way. 10 in a row might as well be a million, but this'll be my quest.
      ......
      Here's my problem though:
      I'm 100% convinced that my bat IS flat. Why is it not? I know it's not because of the trajectory. It's ONLY on this shot.
      Also, I know I need to be 'up' more on this shot - why is it not up?
      Also, I know I should start lower and later on this shot, yet I tend to be earliest on this shot. (because these tend to be on backspins where the ball is slowest)

    • @lt.kettch
      @lt.kettch 4 дні тому

      @BenSucksAtPingPong
      You've probably heard that when you finish your FH, your paddle should end around your eyebrows in a kind of "salute". Keeping everything the same, try raising or lowering your elbow by adjusting your "armpit angle". Your paddle angle should change as well. Unfold your elbow, being careful not to change anything else, your arm should be extended a little forward, then relax your shoulder so the arm is at your side but keep the armpit angle the same. Rotate to your right and that should be how your arm's "ready position" should be. This should naturally open up the angle on your paddle without using your wrist to adjust too much.
      If you're not getting low enough, imagine (or even try for real) you have a 2 liter bottle filled with water directly to your right, just past your right foot. Then reach down and grab it with your paddle hand. This should shift your stance lower and your center of gravity to be on your right leg. Next imagine picking it up and throwing it. It's heavy so you need to push off your right leg and accelerate to get any distance. That's kind of the feel of looping backspin... At least for me...

    • @knotwilg3596
      @knotwilg3596 3 дні тому +1

      I second that too. But I've seen a few instances where the fh ts against bs was going rather well. So you have an effective shot in you. 1:15 is decent in terms of the vertical trajectory, though lacking body involvement.

  • @BeardedSte
    @BeardedSte День тому

    You're often stepping in with your right foot to attack on your forehand. This is the wrong way to do it as you need open up and twist your hip around that side. You should work on small micromovements with both feet so that your left foot ends up slightly in front of your right foot. You'll get much more power and accuracy this way.

  • @Gruntle-i8w
    @Gruntle-i8w 2 дні тому

    Since in your reply to @lt.kettch, you mentioned that FH topspin vs backspin is your weakest stroke, let's just use that as a booster to start working on.
    So let's look at some shots in this match to see if the forehands on backspin are actually a problem, and what the problem with them may be:
    === PART 1/2 - ANALYSIS ===
    Because it's going to be A LOT and my posts are long enough, I', just going to point out things now instead of explaining in detail.
    I will attempt to make a second post with videos how a forehand should look where every single point I criticize should be mentioned.
    0:25
    1. Racket too far forward in ready position, making distance to start of swing too long, losing time
    2. Elbow behind body when retracting racket. Racket too far back, stroke waay too long, losing time.
    3. Elbow pointing backwards, not downwards = racket angle too closed.
    4. Hitting ball stroke while leaning/falling backwards.
    5. Hitting the ball besides the body instead of in front of body = Not enough upper body rotation towards ball, upper body doesn't "follow" ball.
    6. Hitting ball too late when close to the table (Reason likely all the time wasted in points 1, 2).
    7. No snapping of the forearm before or during ball contact, stroke almost entirely straight arm from shoulder = no power generated.
    8. Stroke ends with hand fully above head = no forward power generated, massive overswing, losing time on recovery.
    9. Right shoulder blade is high in shrugging position = tension in shoulder restricting joint mobility. (Reasons are points 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8, body tries to prevent the shoulder ball joint from popping out of its socket.)
    10. Left leg has to make a step back to prevent you from falling backwards after stroke.
    0:29
    - no elbow snapping, stroke from shoulder, elbow moving too much = no power, high tension.
    - falling backwards during stroke = less power, no stability
    - Right knee and foot doesn't rotate outwards, upper body can't follow, not enough rotation, ball struck besides upper body instead of in front = no power and stability
    - racket starts forward, but gets redirected upwards during stroke = much effort, no power, arm tense.
    - racket ends way above head = no recovery
    - left leg has to make a step back to prevent you from falling backwards after stroke.
    = Results in a weak, slow, high, non-competitive ball that allows Eric to take over the point.
    0:58
    (Eric forehand loop on backspin as counterexample, so watch Eric now)
    + On approach of ball, right foot and knee rotates outwards
    + upper body rotates fully to point towards ball = upper body 'follows' ball
    + strong elbow snap
    + wrist loose and whips, but stabile and straight at the end of stroke - good
    + weight starts on right leg, left leg catches it after stroke. Does not have to step backwards.
    - jumps = footwork not used to generate forwards power, but upwards power (Reason one the ball flies out).
    - still too much shoulder, elbow rises up way too much
    - hand above head on end, stroke way too high instead of forward (Reason two the ball went way too high and long) = no recovery
    = The points he does well make it simple for him to lift the ball above the net. He still does way too much. He could go much more forward and the ball would have landed with high speed and safety.
    1:04
    (Lets look at your happy backhand topspin on underspin for a change.)
    + ball contact in front of body
    + elbow stable
    + body behind ball, striking ball in front of body
    + leaning right with weight on right leg = able to sidejump left quickly again to close the open backhand side.
    + stroke entirely from forearm
    - Swing starts with wrist straight and tense.
    - Swing does not end in the upper triangle position. (ua-cam.com/video/XhwUhFfyuTs/v-deo.html) No breaking and floppy wrist at end of stroke = tension at start of stroke, no tension at the end of stroke = waste of power and acceleration, high risk of elbow and wrist injuries
    - forearm ends pointing sideways = lack of forward power
    - falling backwards during stroke = so no sidejump back into position, but momentum of body is redirected backwards
    - left leg has to make a step back to prevent you from falling backwards after stroke
    = Many of the same problems as on your forehand show up on your backhand too.
    The wrong tension, lack of breaking, falling backwards are still problems that need to be fixed for backhand as well. They affect all your strokes.
    1:10
    + high quality shot placed to your elbow, just well done getting that back!
    - watch your ready position after...
    1:15
    - All the exact problems as before. No forearm snap, falling backwards, no power generation. See previous notes.
    - Watch the trajectory of the ball. The height would have cleared the net easily, but the peak of the arc is not over the net, it's on your side of the table. The ball curves down into the net. This is a result of a lack of forward power, not a lack of upwards power.
    - You call the rally to early before the ball even touched Erics side of the table.
    = In a proper match with umpire, that would have been a point for Eric.
    1:22
    - After you played your own push, when the ball contacts Erics racket (pause at that exact time and look at your stance if necessary!), you mentally think the point is already over and stand up nearly straight during the point. Same problem as above with the net ball, and this affects your ready stance as well.
    - You decide to play topspin instead of smash/counter. You don't need to arc a ball over the net when you have a perfectly straight line to the opponent's side.
    - after that, all the exact points mentioned about the very first topspin apply. Whenever you are too late/surprised, you seem to make larger strokes that waste even more time, instead of smaller strokes to make up for the lost time.
    1:29
    Yeah that one is just entirely weird. I'd discard that one as random brainrot (it happens to everyone occasionally) and drop it out of the statistic/analysis until this becomes a reoccuring pattern.
    1:57
    - same problems. The bad power generation (step backwards during shot, slow arm swing = no speed) results in a weak slow shot which Eric can easily punish.
    2:12
    Very good pushing rewards you with a long push to your forehand.
    - Exactly the same problems again, really slow arm swing, no forearm snapping, stepping / body falling backwards, step backwards, etc.
    = Note again: height of the peak of the arc is way above the net, it's just that the ball already starts falling back down on your side of the table = not enough forward power generation, way too much upwards power.
    2:49
    - Same problems.
    = Again, watch the ball trajectory. Arc's peak way above net, drops on your own side = no forward power, no forward speed. The backspin isn't the problem, the problem is that you aren't swinging forward.

    • @Gruntle-i8w
      @Gruntle-i8w 2 дні тому

      === PART 2/2 - RECOMMENDATIONS ===
      In my opinion, this is a case of fundamental weaknesses in forehand and footwork techniques which need to be fixed that affect all strokes.
      You have more than enough 'up' to lift the ball, you don't have nearly enough 'forward' to end the trajectory on the opponent's side of the table.
      When you're going 'against' the spin, like on counters or countertopspin, your rubbers convert the opponents spin into forward speed for your stroke, and since your rubbers are very fast, they do so very efficiently.
      You don't need to produce forward power on any other spin because your opponent and your rubber do it for you. Your own power generation is still weak AF on those shots too.
      When going 'with' the spin like on topspin vs backspin, your 'up' motion just generates more spin, but not forward speed, and your opponents spin isn't discharges as speed on your racket.
      And since your own forward power generation sucks, the ball has a high arc, but the trajectory is so short that it falls back into the net after the arc's peak is just a few inches in front of your racket.
      That is why you have the impression that it's ONLY this shot. It's the ONLY shot you are playing that goes with the spin, not against it.
      Mentally, this causes a phenomenon I call "spin-panic": You correctly feel that the spin is doing something special for this stroke, so you assume you have to go 'up' more, and in that quest to get more 'up', you sacrifice more and more forward speed - which however is the problem to begin with, so you are constantly trying to do more to fix the issue, and this is making the issue worse and worse. All your efforts to fix this stroke are for naught, because you are trying to fix something that isn't the problem. The 'up' vector is just fine, you lack 'forward' a lot.
      There are a lot of issues, but if I had to recommend ONE course, it would be:
      1. learn to snap elbow to make your brain understand how simple and effortless it is to lift 'up', if only you used your fastest arm muscle and joint instead of the weak and vulnerable shoulder....
      2. When after that, all your balls fly waaay high, learn that you can go 'forward' much more with your stroke, identical to regular topspin, ending it forward.
      Tom Lodziak also had that problem:
      ua-cam.com/video/0VZaSwd_sr4/v-deo.html
      Try to go along with this session like you were the one being coached by Matt.
      Watch this video from 40s onwards (and ignore any finger or wrist stuff mentioned for now)
      ua-cam.com/video/hOC2XAhxfCk/v-deo.html
      First try and practice the loop on backspin without any footwork and only with the forearm. As the coach says, you can even just stand straight lazily.
      The majority of the "upwards", arc generating force of a topspin on backspin is generated by a relaxed elbow snap, nothing else.
      Everything else - legs, hip, body rotation - is mostly idential to the other FH strokes (drive, loop, counterloop) and only serves to generate forward force to go along with the arc, so the arc ends on the other player's table instead of the net.
      We want the same solid, hitting forward force on each of those strokes. You are not supposed to go 'up' with your whole swing.
      This includes the 'bottle pickup' exercise kettch also recommended (he's really spot on):
      ua-cam.com/video/A-Oo7HdNPR4/v-deo.html
      You can go and try this execise in your yard (or any wide place in nature).
      Take a small bottle of water in a plastic bottle and actually place it and do an efficient motion to pick it up and throw it as far as you can with one fluid movement.
      You still want to toss the bottle forward, not straight up, for it to fall on your head, so you'
      ll find that your arm cannot end above you head, it has to end forward just like with a regular forehand loop, it's just your body position that starts lower.
      You also don't want to throw it to your left, so your arm cannot end to the left, it has to end forward.
      Notice that if he demonstrates the regular loop, his upper body just doesn't bend that far down. It's not the arm swing that is lower, the footwork isn't any different, it's the upper body bending down further to pick up the lower bottle.
      You can also try tensing your arm and exerting more strength in the toss, and may find that you can't toss it any further with more strength and tension, you just get exhausted way more and can't toss it as far. It's fluidity and efficiency of the movement that gets a far toss, not strength and tension.
      There's much more to this, but it's getting too complicated and too long if we try to fix everything at once.
      Another time on the next set of videos. Until then, try to always remember - you need to learn to generate more force FORWARDS, NOT up, with short, relaxed swings when close to the table.
      Tense your arm and wrist only on ball impact and immediately after to 'break' your arm rapidl so it doesn't swing up so much, relax on acceleration (right now it looks like you're tense on acceleration and loose after the contact, which is the wrong way around).