@@JoppeM He's wearing pretty heavy-duty glasses, but if his eyesight is really still that bad he needs to get a new optician. If he can't read a sign ten feet away he really really needs to never cross the road.
her support beams were fine, although the bridge would end up being very narrow or very unstable. The issue was the actual deck. I made a very similar mistake in my first year in a bridge building competition. I spent so much time on my support beams a heavy load placed in between the beams would cause the entire thing to crumple in on itself. But if you put that load directly over the support beams they could hold the maximum load tested.
I thiink it was the same episode where Katherine couldn’t tie a tie, and Jon said “now we see the trouble that coin has got us into, don’t we?”. Two amazing callbacks.
One day there shall be a lad stoned out of his mind at 3 am. When he sees a McDonalds restaurant, he shall shed a single tear and whisper: 'There's strength in arches...'
Expected someone to bring tools and supplies into the room, put it on the table, ask the assistant "would you say those things are on the table?", and then proceeded to use them. Though before that I was considering how feasible it would be to break the table, like the grass was elevated so maybe you can put holes through it? Or the house? Just has to make sure not to touch it. Granted, I would lose because I missed that a _bridge_ actually has to cross something (well not rly, but prolly for this task). Now that I think of it, maybe breaking a leg or two or all of them off the table might be useful too? ... I feel like I view all those tasks with a much too destructive mindset going into them.
But then again - not really. Since it's likely no one else will find the hidden secret - you can win by just being better. If you spend every task wasting 2 minutes looking around, you will be at a disadvantage for all other tasks without hidden items (93% of them)
@@BenRangel I think you overestimate how long it takes to look around in a task like this. (I may have given the impression that I was advocating for thorough searching in all cases, which is incorrect - however, if you are in a small room containing a table, looking under the table should be standard procedure and wouldn't take very long.) Also, you seem to underestimate how much it takes to "be better." Richard Osmond has been one of the cleverest people on the show for that series, and he didn't do that well.
Benjamin Middaugh True. I think the description of ”ON the table” made everyone feel that the notion of using anything UNDER the table would be illegal and thus never even bothered to consider it. Even if they found the items under the table some would assume they were an illegal red herring cause the task said ”use items ON the table” which 99% of people interpret as ”on top of” even if linguists say otherwise
@@BenRangel I agree. Richard and Jon, though, would certainly have used them had they found them. That said, the show is set up to reward creative deviation from the task (within a certain "spirit" of course - there is also punishment for improper deviations), so I'm not sure how things would have gone if they had gone otherwise. There was a strong implication of sanction in this case, but of course we'll never know how things would have turned out. As my father likes to say, "if things had been different they would have been different."
@@Targlox Can't touch the house but can use anything found on the table. The bit about self-supporting might rule out being the bridge but they could slip out to the shed and grab the ladder and use that, maybe?
John knowing Spanish, reading Spanish, and then completely glossing over the meaning feels like what I do most days of my life. Know something but not be able to recognize a use for it or put it to good effect.
This was one of my favorite tasks not even because of the hidden goal, or perhaps even _in spite_ of the hidden goal, but the fact that its a great challenge on its own.
Moving water from one bucket to another on a racecourse: they mentioned after that there were loads of small buckets back where the contestants had been waiting.
Do they really want people to solve it? This isn't science show like "Mind Games" where they had people did similar stuff and succeeded. It was not if, but how.
Can't say I would have thought of it at the time, but during the runtime of this video I came up with a solid plan. Put the spaghetti in the straws to make x3 long rods Use the rubber bands to tie the 3 rods together into a pyramid shape. Place the potato on top. use the playing cards to create a makeshift road surface so that it passes as a "bridge".
This is the first video that introduced me to taskmaster. After watching every season so far I’m so happy to come back full circle! This remains one of my favorite tasks. This and the potato film task they did on this season
@@Guitar5830 Self supporting would mean that it supports itself afaik. How it does it doesn't matter, but it should support it's own weight and they all did.
I loved this task. Very possibly my favorite (even though it wasn't the most entertaining to watch compared to some others).Although I wasn't a big fan of the whole "on the table" statement in the task. Regardless of it's original usage, it's current meaning is quite clear that it's only things _above_ that are touching, not below. The fact that no one found the stuff below makes it a bit less relevant though (but part of the reason why they didn't look is because they were told "on")
We absolutely still use "on" as meaning general physical contact. Like a sticker on a book, barnacles on a boat, fan on the ceiling. It's not a matter of that word not being used that way anymore, the issue is practical assumptions we make when speaking about tables. We intuitively assume "on" means "on top of" since that is by far the most common context we would refer to something being on a table. A table's primary purpose is to have things on top of it, so "on top of the table" is implied when we say "on the table". But literally speaking, there is a difference between those to phrasings. And there's plenty of other examples like that, which again, we just sort of take for granted. And yeah it's unintuitive, that's the whole point of the clues.
It should have happened like this: Someone uses the things below the table, proud that they found them. But then getting disqualified because they were not *on* the table.
Rhod Gilbert would have probably started ripping the grass out of the table and using it. Or he would have brought something from outside, put it on the table and say 'I am using an item from the table.'
That hiding-things-under-the-table thing was just not well thought out IMHO. Imagine finding it - wouldn't your first reaction be "hah, these things were UNDER the table, not ON it - so, if I'm using any of it, it won't count - nice try though ;)"?
I love how the judges kind of brush it away with, you respect this lady you know, and the meaning of on is makes contact with. Except the judges should know that when this kind of show is aired people can look up the definition of stuff, so when they spout nonsense it's known. fyi, definition of on: "used as a function word to indicate position in contact with and supported by the top surface of" So no not just in contact with, it also has to be supported by the top surface, which the materials underneath the table were not, they were supported by the bottom surface of the table..
@@Britiswitz Well, since a ceiling has only one surface, using "on" in this context won't cause any misunderstanding - but ask a 100 people what "on the table" means, and see how many will mention "fastened on the bottom side of the table" ;) - or show them something fixed to the underside of a table, and ask them if they think it is "on the table" ;)
@@Britiswitz Yes when talking about the Ceiling the top of the ceiling is the surface that is facing down, and the bottom of the ceiling doesn't exist, rather you have the area between the upstairs floor and your ceiling. It's actually confusing in one other instance though the fly on the window. In this case the surface is seen in the same way a hand would be. A cut on a hand is a cut on the palm of your hand otherwise you use the phrase a cut on the back of your hand, still on, but let's not go into those depths just yet. A fly on the window is a fly on the side of the window facing you, i.e. your side of the window, otherwise you should use the notation of refering to the fly on the other side of the window, though it is commonly misused to just refer to a fly wether it is on your side or the other side. I suspect the confusion you're having is that top and bottom do not equal up and down.
Ghostier I‘m not having any confusion. On is generally accepted to be either on top of or in contact with. You tell someone they’ve got a mark on their face, if you draw someone’s attention to a cut on their hand they don’t automatically look at the palm. Despite any possible ambiguity with “on”, in the case of the puzzle on taskmaster the barge actually gives them permission to use whatever is under the table. They’re told they can use whatever is on the table. The barge’s message is on the table so the instruction given in that message is covered.
Yeah, my first thought was to ask if the building accually IS the Taskmasters house or not. You can just interpret it as the Taskmasters real house. I bet if someone used the building it would have been an easy win. It's all about reading the task instructions very carefully.
5:03 those successive gaps and perfect o's Katherine and Richard's mouths' make are just hilarious, especially the fact that they kept it for like a full 10 seconds there
First thought i had was to take the table's legs off and use them for the bridge lol. I wonder if that would have been deemed an acceptable interpretation of the rules, or just gotten my atempt voided hehehe
that was my first thought too! if anything, even a half-serious attempt at doing so would have us in a position with a better view of the materials hidden under the table for use 🤷♀️
Yeah, but if they did, they’d get that it has a hidden meaning, whereas in this case, “on” can technically mean both “on top of” and “attached to” but since it’s a table, nobody would suspect it’s the latter. Which is why i think it’s a brilliant riddle.
@@hiwhale It is a stupid riddle. 'On' can technically mean attached to if used without context. However 'on the table' has a very specific meaning in the english language given by context that means 'lying on the table'. It's like 'fire' can mean to shoot a weapon or to cancel someones job. But if I say 'fire the gun' the meaning becomes fixed by context. The gun wont lose its job.
SangerZonvolt yeah but that’s the thing about riddles. They’re basically nonsense. So there probably is a riddle out there about a gun being “fired” and losing its job.
@@hiwhale Then it's not a riddle. A riddle has to have a logically reachable conclusion. If you just straight up use words wrong in their context then there is no logic. If you stretch it that far you could bend any rule into nothingness. You could argue that the bridge isnt selfsustaining because it doesnt earn money. You could argue that you can take the house into your hand because it's your hand touching it, not 'you'. If you want to be creative with the rules without actually misusing a word: You could take anything, put it on the table, and then use it because it was 'on' the table and the rule didnt specify that it had to be on the table when you entered the room.
The us would ruin this show, the fun is it being simple the Americas would make you tight rope walk across the grand canyon while trying to solve a rubixs cube for a cash prize
Urban and city planning!!!! Whhaaaatt!!! (Me too. It’s such a random degree that I’m always surprised/happy/shocked if I hear it on TV. Particularly from a celebrity.)
5:52 the best part isn´t, that under the table is a scissor, some sticks and tape. Its that there are two steal frames who are hold by wood. And when you turn all the wood blocks you can remove the steel farmes and use them as highest self supporting bridge.
That one guy that said "pony" instead or "potato". It reminds me of what my math teacher says before every math test. He says "RTFQ" which stands for "Read the f****** question" haha 🤣
Everyone: debating whether the stuff under the table counts as "on" the table Alex: Well we got in touch with Suzie Dent... Everybody: oh nvr mind then
put them from below the table on the table and there you go. They are on the table now. Apart from this, they read out the definition of on the table, and it clearly states that on means making physical contact with. So an item taped under a table is by definition considered on the table.
@@Littythefunbomb By that logic, stealing becomes legal the moment it's done, because once you put it into your pocket, you're no longer taking it from them. And, obviously, that's not how rules and laws work. And no, they did *not* say "anything making physical contact with it". In the beginning, someone asks "Anything I can use what's on the table", which gets confirmed by "anything on this table". Not in, not under, not making contact - ON. So yeah, going by all the rules stated, anything under the table should not be allowed.
on means " physically in contact with and supported by (a surface) ". The items were not under the table, they were on the table but just not facing upwards. They were physically in contact and supported by the table. I think the argument that needs to be made is whether it was the tape that was supporting the items or if it was the table. If the items were facing upwards, the table would be supporting the items by gravity, but if the are underneath but still on, they are being supported against gravity. Therefore to know if the items were on the table we would have to answer the question of whether the tape was supporting the items or the table was supporting the items. Since the tape was holding the items against gravity, I think it is logical to assume that the items were not on the table and therefore the directions of the task should not be taken literally. In that case, there could not be such a thing as cheating in these tasks and no one could be disqualified.
but wait i just realized something. The items could be considered on the table because the tape holding them there is irrelevant. Just like a sticker would be considered on something regardless of the postition of the item even if it is the actual stickiness holding them there and not the actual item.
As someone with asperger I can't imagine missing all the signs with "look under the table" I mean I'd look under the table anyway even without the signs but still.
@@neithere Yeah XD, it's just something that felt weird to me because I'm literally not able lock out/ignore visual details but also sounds, so I can't even imagine myself missing it in that scenario especially not if I know I'm on taskmaster.
@@noahwattel4226 you mean, you can't ignore stimuli even if you want to focus on something? That sounds similar to ADHD. Or do you always feel the urge to get the most complete possible picture of the situation before acting in any way? In general, I thought Asperger's was mostly about a somewhat limited understanding of nonverbal cues + extensive use of rules, no? Unfortunately I don't know anybody with AS, so it would be interesting to learn about it from your POV. Most of my info comes from a Reddit thread where people on the spectrum provided some insight, but, as I understand, there are many very different forms.
@@neithere Sure yes I have a high verbal IQ but my non verbal is quite the opposite I have a dis harmonic profile in general meaning that I might have a really high IQ in some departments but a really low one in others. As for the stimuli, I can "ignore" meaning I don't do anything with it and I am able to focus on things but it kinda depends on the stimulus if it's visual, I could force myself not to look but I'll usually look at all the small details in a room at least once, everything from fire alarms to stickers or security camera's but also things like a weird discolored spot on the wall. Audio is more difficult especially if it's inconsistent or has meaning like people talking, if I'm not listening/talking to anyone else I'll automatically start following parts of people's conversations without having much control over it. So for instance I'm playing a video game and my parents are talking two rooms further I'll still follow chunks of their conversation despite focusing in the game. I have a people in my family (+foster siblings) with ADD and ADHD Both are easily distracted without medicine, unlike them I don't get distracted and interrupt what I was doing. But both of them also have Hyper-focus especially the one with ADD meaning they can be doing something without noticing what's happening around them which for me is quite the opposite I notice everything which if annoying enough can pull me out of my focus while with them you can walk past them or say something without them noticing because they are focused on something else but yes outside of their hyper focus (hyper focus is usually when reading, drawing etc.) they'll easily get distracted from their goal/objective/task by for instance an animal they want to pet. Apart from asperger I also have balance disorder, Chronic headache, food allergies and other fun stuff that might influence things as well.
@@neithere Oh and socially one of the worst parts is that I can't make eye contact, or well I can but not without feeling terrible, uncomfortable and my brain giving up. So where other people expect eye contact during conversation, I can't make eye contact without forgetting what I was saying and even when just listening to someone eye contact really throws me off. I think a big part of it is because I don't understand the information I'm seeing and I can't control what my eyes tell people so they will give random information to people that is often incorrect causing them to react on unintended false information instead of what I am saying.
my theories: 1. Stand on Table holding Potato. 2. move the house with some object and use it as a bridge 3. stick straws on the legs of the animals, creating 2 pillars left and right. Connect thoose pillars with something and thats ur bridge
Is it bad that my first reaction to hearing the challenge was going to be going under the table, but not for any clever reason like those supplies I wouldve just ripped the table legs off because it said you could use anything there
@@RichardVanTassel You pretend to have done it, and then the burden of proof is on them. Hide the potato, mail it to Argentina or New Zealand. Or more realistically, simply take the potato to a lower elevation, even a meter of difference would do. I think there's a riverbed nearby.
I hope that someone placed the note on top of the house (the note isnt part of the bridge) and connected it to the wall in the room they're standing in using some material they could find from anywhere and that they placed on the table. It's not above the river but its over it
I would have started trying to deconstruct the "land" around the able to use for building material. And used the playing cards as a buffer to pick up with house without touching it. Then I'd ask if "found on the table" includes things that I put on the table and if so, I'd have started using the camera tripods or whatever else was in the room. Since they consider things attached to the table as being "on" the table, I'd also try to remove the table legs to use as building material. Could also put the potato on the roof and say that you consider the entire building to be your bridge (it's self support and goes over the water and is touching the table so it therefore "on" it).
I really wanted to see what someone would have done with the wood if they had found it. I think Jon using the toothpicks to raise the potato should not have counted as part of the bridge though.
The rule was to use what's "on" the table. So the stuff attached underneath should not have been allowed, as that's attached "to" the table (and is "under" it as well). On and To are not the same.
Honestly, watching Joe go from being clueless to coming up with what is definitely the most clever solution is straight up the most inspiring shit.
It's actually kinda amazing that Richard didn't see it written above the door. It's basically at eye level for him.
Same with Jon and the one under the table. Also: he knows Spanish! How did he not figure this out?
@@Lark1610 The HMS Under-the-Table
He actually has really bad eyesight according too he's wiki page so it kinda makes sense :)
@@JoppeM He's wearing pretty heavy-duty glasses, but if his eyesight is really still that bad he needs to get a new optician. If he can't read a sign ten feet away he really really needs to never cross the road.
As someone who is rather tall I have to look down most of the times when I do things. This becomes kinda natural after a while.
“I don’t think people know that i’m this smart you know”
potato: 1 mm off ground
her support beams were fine, although the bridge would end up being very narrow or very unstable. The issue was the actual deck. I made a very similar mistake in my first year in a bridge building competition. I spent so much time on my support beams a heavy load placed in between the beams would cause the entire thing to crumple in on itself. But if you put that load directly over the support beams they could hold the maximum load tested.
@@Altobrun strength in arches
She always brags about how smart she is lol. Doesn't work out for her .
Dunning Krueger effect
@@rayraymartineziii I'm reminded of that one countdown episode lol.
That callback to "my eyesight is hindered around bridges" is one of the funniest things I've heard in ages
Yes, it's to bad that man is singaly responsible for cheating Joel out of winning task master
I thiink it was the same episode where Katherine couldn’t tie a tie, and Jon said “now we see the trouble that coin has got us into, don’t we?”. Two amazing callbacks.
care to point me in the right direction to find it?
@@stealthygremlin look under the table
@@soulplayrt463Singly? I think you clearly don't get how *voting* works. TWO people voted it shouldn't count and it was for comedic effect.
One day there shall be a lad stoned out of his mind at 3 am. When he sees a McDonalds restaurant, he shall shed a single tear and whisper:
'There's strength in arches...'
'Highest' bridge wins
One day i now know that I’ll be that lad, and i can’t wait for it to happen
"Time stops at the golden arches", go listen to Electric Six's Down at McDonelzzx
Expected someone to bring tools and supplies into the room, put it on the table, ask the assistant "would you say those things are on the table?", and then proceeded to use them.
Though before that I was considering how feasible it would be to break the table, like the grass was elevated so maybe you can put holes through it? Or the house? Just has to make sure not to touch it. Granted, I would lose because I missed that a _bridge_ actually has to cross something (well not rly, but prolly for this task).
Now that I think of it, maybe breaking a leg or two or all of them off the table might be useful too?
... I feel like I view all those tasks with a much too destructive mindset going into them.
J Tallman LOL
She started so brilliantly with the pyramids
Tetrahedrons*
@@benjaminlamothe2093 Tetrahedrons are pyramids bro.
Suspension and pyramids both pretty bright ideas. She only had to put the pyramids closer together and potato would hang highest
If the put another/multiable pyramids in the middle of the water she could have stacked them up a bit
@@sk-sm9sh she would have have to counter balance it and I don't think it would have with held any pulling force, so she was kinda screwed
Joe's two most memorable moments in this show IMO are the potato throw and ''strength in arches''.
It's a shame that he didn't win either task.
Since they get technical with wording: You can use the house as long as YOU dont touch it. So just use some item to shove it into the river.
That was my first thought, just push it with the potato.
Touch: handle in order to interfere with, alter, or otherwise affect.
By its secondary definition, technically, you could not.
@@ant.onio.n You "affect" it too by just standing there, or doing things around it.
I would have tried lifting the table to let gravity move the house into the river. Might have also discovered the hidden materials as a result.
Omg that’s genius
It's tasks like this that reinforce the necessity of carefully looking everywhere before you start working.
or just having good skill/ingenuity/engineering-knowledge
But then again - not really. Since it's likely no one else will find the hidden secret - you can win by just being better.
If you spend every task wasting 2 minutes looking around, you will be at a disadvantage for all other tasks without hidden items (93% of them)
@@BenRangel I think you overestimate how long it takes to look around in a task like this. (I may have given the impression that I was advocating for thorough searching in all cases, which is incorrect - however, if you are in a small room containing a table, looking under the table should be standard procedure and wouldn't take very long.) Also, you seem to underestimate how much it takes to "be better." Richard Osmond has been one of the cleverest people on the show for that series, and he didn't do that well.
Benjamin Middaugh True.
I think the description of ”ON the table” made everyone feel that the notion of using anything UNDER the table would be illegal and thus never even bothered to consider it.
Even if they found the items under the table some would assume they were an illegal red herring cause the task said ”use items ON the table” which 99% of people interpret as ”on top of” even if linguists say otherwise
@@BenRangel I agree. Richard and Jon, though, would certainly have used them had they found them.
That said, the show is set up to reward creative deviation from the task (within a certain "spirit" of course - there is also punishment for improper deviations), so I'm not sure how things would have gone if they had gone otherwise. There was a strong implication of sanction in this case, but of course we'll never know how things would have turned out. As my father likes to say, "if things had been different they would have been different."
“There’s strength in arches,” I repeat, a crazed look in my eyes.
Stand on table, hold potato, declare yourself bridge
It must not be higher than the taskmasters house tho
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But you can be found on the table if you stand on it
@@Targlox Can't touch the house but can use anything found on the table. The bit about self-supporting might rule out being the bridge but they could slip out to the shed and grab the ladder and use that, maybe?
EmoryM How exactly has a ladder from the shed been found on the table?
@@argumengenichyperloquaciou4115...I have no idea, it doesn't make any sense. If I had a train of thought it derailed.
John knowing Spanish, reading Spanish, and then completely glossing over the meaning feels like what I do most days of my life. Know something but not be able to recognize a use for it or put it to good effect.
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I just noticed they blur out the text above the door that has the hint (2:10)
Ahhhh, that's why the contestants didn't see it.
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SinemeCS I can’t tell if your joking
@@foala I get that often as a German.
When I saw the boat I thought " well that's suspiciously unnecessary" and then I saw "debajo de la mesa" and I lost it.
These are may favorite types of tasks, those with hidden goals. One of these days someone will solve it.
This was one of my favorite tasks not even because of the hidden goal, or perhaps even _in spite_ of the hidden goal, but the fact that its a great challenge on its own.
Moving water from one bucket to another on a racecourse: they mentioned after that there were loads of small buckets back where the contestants had been waiting.
Do they really want people to solve it? This isn't science show like "Mind Games" where they had people did similar stuff and succeeded. It was not if, but how.
99% of the comments will be about one fact and one fact only :
THERE IS STRENGTH IN ARCHES
Debajo De La Mesa
I literally felt like Joe had a “Planet of the Apes” moment. ‘Apes together strong.”
Polybridge players when they hear about a bridge and triangles: *heavy breathing*
that whole game is *triangle*
@@JoeMakaFloe but there is strength in arches
What is an arch But a curved triangle?
@@lilium9361 by definition it being curved makes it not a triangle.
@@randomnpc7773 Only on a Euclidean plane.
I'll buy a t-shirt with "There's strength in Arches" written on it
Same. And with Mel’s catchphrase- I know she had one, but I can’t remember what it was right now.
I don’t think I’ve ever felt as proud for a man 20 years my senior as I was when joe built his
arches
you get a task, what do you do?
step 1: observe
these people: OOH CHEWING GUM
Well they did observe first. They assessed their options which, according to the instructions, would only be on the table, not under it.
Can't say I would have thought of it at the time, but during the runtime of this video I came up with a solid plan.
Put the spaghetti in the straws to make x3 long rods
Use the rubber bands to tie the 3 rods together into a pyramid shape.
Place the potato on top.
use the playing cards to create a makeshift road surface so that it passes as a "bridge".
There were playing cards on the table. Just set up the highest scoring hand of Bridge (the game), then put the potato on top.
actual task was to build a tower in the river to support the potato, and add two wires to the sides of the river, so in theory it is a bridge.
One of the best task's so far.. I was thinking I would break off the leg's of the table so I probably would have seen the stuff under the table.
@M. Woller 6:40
This is the first video that introduced me to taskmaster. After watching every season so far I’m so happy to come back full circle! This remains one of my favorite tasks. This and the potato film task they did on this season
which season is this?
@@pasmas3217 Season 2 (probably doesn't matter after two years, anyway...).
me: minding my business, trying to go to sleep at 3AM
my brain: THERE IS STRENGTH IN ARCHES
"The highest self supporting bridge wins." None of those bridges are "self supporting".
I think as long as they are not holding it up with hands, it's acceptable.
those cows are part of the bridge xD
But also they said you could use anything on the table so yes the animals are also part of the bridge got em
@@hojjat5000 A selfsupporting bridge is a bridge with nothing holding it up in the middle though, isnt it?
@@Guitar5830 Self supporting would mean that it supports itself afaik. How it does it doesn't matter, but it should support it's own weight and they all did.
Richard playing with the boat was precious.
I knew the Spanish said something about under and table but I wouldn’t have thought to look there
Knowing how taskmaster goes
i would have watched under the table
Taskmaster is a game where the winner usually is the one bending the rules
I loved this task. Very possibly my favorite (even though it wasn't the most entertaining to watch compared to some others).Although I wasn't a big fan of the whole "on the table" statement in the task. Regardless of it's original usage, it's current meaning is quite clear that it's only things _above_ that are touching, not below. The fact that no one found the stuff below makes it a bit less relevant though (but part of the reason why they didn't look is because they were told "on")
We absolutely still use "on" as meaning general physical contact. Like a sticker on a book, barnacles on a boat, fan on the ceiling. It's not a matter of that word not being used that way anymore, the issue is practical assumptions we make when speaking about tables.
We intuitively assume "on" means "on top of" since that is by far the most common context we would refer to something being on a table. A table's primary purpose is to have things on top of it, so "on top of the table" is implied when we say "on the table". But literally speaking, there is a difference between those to phrasings. And there's plenty of other examples like that, which again, we just sort of take for granted.
And yeah it's unintuitive, that's the whole point of the clues.
It should have happened like this: Someone uses the things below the table, proud that they found them. But then getting disqualified because they were not *on* the table.
@@IronicHavoc You should copy and post your comment in the main section and not hidden here because your explanation is perfect!!!
@@IronicHavoc I am kinda late to the party but I just went for "on the table" from Australian perspective, it would work out too xD
Rhod Gilbert would have probably started ripping the grass out of the table and using it.
Or he would have brought something from outside, put it on the table and say 'I am using an item from the table.'
That hiding-things-under-the-table thing was just not well thought out IMHO. Imagine finding it - wouldn't your first reaction be "hah, these things were UNDER the table, not ON it - so, if I'm using any of it, it won't count - nice try though ;)"?
I love how the judges kind of brush it away with, you respect this lady you know, and the meaning of on is makes contact with. Except the judges should know that when this kind of show is aired people can look up the definition of stuff, so when they spout nonsense it's known.
fyi, definition of on: "used as a function word to indicate position in contact with and supported by the top surface of"
So no not just in contact with, it also has to be supported by the top surface, which the materials underneath the table were not, they were supported by the bottom surface of the table..
Except if you say there’s a spider on the ceiling...
@@Britiswitz Well, since a ceiling has only one surface, using "on" in this context won't cause any misunderstanding - but ask a 100 people what "on the table" means, and see how many will mention "fastened on the bottom side of the table" ;) - or show them something fixed to the underside of a table, and ask them if they think it is "on the table" ;)
@@Britiswitz Yes when talking about the Ceiling the top of the ceiling is the surface that is facing down, and the bottom of the ceiling doesn't exist, rather you have the area between the upstairs floor and your ceiling. It's actually confusing in one other instance though the fly on the window. In this case the surface is seen in the same way a hand would be. A cut on a hand is a cut on the palm of your hand otherwise you use the phrase a cut on the back of your hand, still on, but let's not go into those depths just yet. A fly on the window is a fly on the side of the window facing you, i.e. your side of the window, otherwise you should use the notation of refering to the fly on the other side of the window, though it is commonly misused to just refer to a fly wether it is on your side or the other side.
I suspect the confusion you're having is that top and bottom do not equal up and down.
Ghostier I‘m not having any confusion. On is generally accepted to be either on top of or in contact with. You tell someone they’ve got a mark on their face, if you draw someone’s attention to a cut on their hand they don’t automatically look at the palm.
Despite any possible ambiguity with “on”, in the case of the puzzle on taskmaster the barge actually gives them permission to use whatever is under the table. They’re told they can use whatever is on the table. The barge’s message is on the table so the instruction given in that message is covered.
Yeah, my first thought was to ask if the building accually IS the Taskmasters house or not. You can just interpret it as the Taskmasters real house. I bet if someone used the building it would have been an easy win. It's all about reading the task instructions very carefully.
The task was "highest bridge wins", so I would argue that Jon's matches-trick wouldn't count.
Well, he could argue those matches are pylons, which would indeed increase the height of the bridge
I guess Katherine's was the highest then? Didn't say highest potato wins
Daniel Gløsen it wasn’t able to support the potato though
Definitely suspect. Although they also used "on the table" so clearly the wording in this task is a bit dodgy.
@@DanielMG97 I guess Katherine's bridge is the tallest but not the highest.
6:28 - EXACTLY! Didn't say under or in the table
I want a taskmaster merch of "There's Strength in Arches"
"So its gotta support the potato. Its quite weighty"
**clap** **clap** **clap**
They could have used the items on the table to pick up the taskmaster's house without touching it and use that in the bridge.
You could argue the house on the table isn't the taskmasters house.
@@MMLauritsen that feels like a Deski move, not gonna lie
This channel needs more full tasks and less compilations.
*fewer
@@Nulono less works too
Hahaha I love the jokes about Jon’s height “you’re nearly under the table as is”
Cards rolled along their length could be stacked higher than just arching them think?
5:03 those successive gaps and perfect o's Katherine and Richard's mouths' make are just hilarious, especially the fact that they kept it for like a full 10 seconds there
We must remember when civilization was reborn with one phrase, "Theres Strength in arches".
joe wilkinson's face says "How the hell should I do that!?"
This is possibly one of the best videos I have ever seen. Thanks for making my day
"I have an education in urban and city planning."
Lot of good that did you.
Planning and engineering are different though
@@squid1481 But it still requires some knowledge about engineering, even if not on an extensive level.
Well it was a rural scenery
Those triangle towers were so good, she should have stuck the spaghetti on with gum and she could have won easily.
Me: put cards in my hands, take up the house making sure only the cards touch it. Put it in the middle and smash the potato on the chimney.
6:16 that reference to the shoppingcart task was perfect xD
First thought i had was to take the table's legs off and use them for the bridge lol. I wonder if that would have been deemed an acceptable interpretation of the rules, or just gotten my atempt voided hehehe
that was my first thought too! if anything, even a half-serious attempt at doing so would have us in a position with a better view of the materials hidden under the table for use 🤷♀️
You would have gotten a negative score cause the table was lower
@@Spiffier nah the measyre was taken from grass level
I honestly thought there was going to be a secret civil engineer moment, talking triangles and shit lol
When the task is use the items _on_ the table, I'd have never thought about looking underneath it either.
Phrasing is everything. I would have said, "Use what is AT the table."
Yeah, but if they did, they’d get that it has a hidden meaning, whereas in this case, “on” can technically mean both “on top of” and “attached to” but since it’s a table, nobody would suspect it’s the latter. Which is why i think it’s a brilliant riddle.
i am at the table so i am bridge
@@hiwhale
It is a stupid riddle. 'On' can technically mean attached to if used without context. However 'on the table' has a very specific meaning in the english language given by context that means 'lying on the table'. It's like 'fire' can mean to shoot a weapon or to cancel someones job. But if I say 'fire the gun' the meaning becomes fixed by context. The gun wont lose its job.
SangerZonvolt yeah but that’s the thing about riddles. They’re basically nonsense. So there probably is a riddle out there about a gun being “fired” and losing its job.
@@hiwhale
Then it's not a riddle. A riddle has to have a logically reachable conclusion. If you just straight up use words wrong in their context then there is no logic. If you stretch it that far you could bend any rule into nothingness. You could argue that the bridge isnt selfsustaining because it doesnt earn money. You could argue that you can take the house into your hand because it's your hand touching it, not 'you'.
If you want to be creative with the rules without actually misusing a word: You could take anything, put it on the table, and then use it because it was 'on' the table and the rule didnt specify that it had to be on the table when you entered the room.
I don't usually care for U.K. shows being redone in the U.D., but I would watch this if it were on a network in the States. Love these clips.
The us would ruin this show, the fun is it being simple the Americas would make you tight rope walk across the grand canyon while trying to solve a rubixs cube for a cash prize
I still can't get over "Bastards cryin innit" 😂
Urban and city planning!!!! Whhaaaatt!!! (Me too. It’s such a random degree that I’m always surprised/happy/shocked if I hear it on TV. Particularly from a celebrity.)
5:52 the best part isn´t, that under the table is a scissor, some sticks and tape. Its that there are two steal frames who are hold by wood. And when you turn all the wood blocks you can remove the steel farmes and use them as highest self supporting bridge.
That one guy that said "pony" instead or "potato". It reminds me of what my math teacher says before every math test. He says "RTFQ" which stands for "Read the f****** question" haha 🤣
"Build the highest tower in the water"
I was laughing but I know I would have lost the challenge! But it is humorous to watch someone else!
Joe's tombstone should read: "There is strength in arches".
Everyone: debating whether the stuff under the table counts as "on" the table
Alex: Well we got in touch with Suzie Dent...
Everybody: oh nvr mind then
Jon: Hello there
Me: General Richardson
man I would have loved this task so much
The cards was a genius idea no joke
5:38 The second she placed the boat diagonally I had to pause the vid and laugh. God I'm so broken
"on the table" pretty definitively excludes the materials under the table from the task.
put them from below the table on the table and there you go. They are on the table now. Apart from this, they read out the definition of on the table, and it clearly states that on means making physical contact with. So an item taped under a table is by definition considered on the table.
@@Littythefunbomb By that logic, stealing becomes legal the moment it's done, because once you put it into your pocket, you're no longer taking it from them. And, obviously, that's not how rules and laws work. And no, they did *not* say "anything making physical contact with it". In the beginning, someone asks "Anything I can use what's on the table", which gets confirmed by "anything on this table". Not in, not under, not making contact - ON.
So yeah, going by all the rules stated, anything under the table should not be allowed.
@@drsnova7313 geez louise it is just a comedic show, no need to get started with laws and stealing, chill fam.
on means " physically in contact with and supported by (a surface) ". The items were not under the table, they were on the table but just not facing upwards. They were physically in contact and supported by the table.
I think the argument that needs to be made is whether it was the tape that was supporting the items or if it was the table.
If the items were facing upwards, the table would be supporting the items by gravity, but if the are underneath but still on, they are being supported against gravity.
Therefore to know if the items were on the table we would have to answer the question of whether the tape was supporting the items or the table was supporting the items. Since the tape was holding the items against gravity, I think it is logical to assume that the items were not on the table and therefore the directions of the task should not be taken literally.
In that case, there could not be such a thing as cheating in these tasks and no one could be disqualified.
but wait i just realized something. The items could be considered on the table because the tape holding them there is irrelevant. Just like a sticker would be considered on something regardless of the postition of the item even if it is the actual stickiness holding them there and not the actual item.
As someone with asperger I can't imagine missing all the signs with "look under the table" I mean I'd look under the table anyway even without the signs but still.
So cool that we are all different! Each has their own weakness/superpower combo. Together we can solve problems better.
@@neithere Yeah XD, it's just something that felt weird to me because I'm literally not able lock out/ignore visual details but also sounds, so I can't even imagine myself missing it in that scenario especially not if I know I'm on taskmaster.
@@noahwattel4226 you mean, you can't ignore stimuli even if you want to focus on something? That sounds similar to ADHD. Or do you always feel the urge to get the most complete possible picture of the situation before acting in any way? In general, I thought Asperger's was mostly about a somewhat limited understanding of nonverbal cues + extensive use of rules, no? Unfortunately I don't know anybody with AS, so it would be interesting to learn about it from your POV. Most of my info comes from a Reddit thread where people on the spectrum provided some insight, but, as I understand, there are many very different forms.
@@neithere Sure yes I have a high verbal IQ but my non verbal is quite the opposite I have a dis harmonic profile in general meaning that I might have a really high IQ in some departments but a really low one in others.
As for the stimuli, I can "ignore" meaning I don't do anything with it and I am able to focus on things but it kinda depends on the stimulus if it's visual, I could force myself not to look but I'll usually look at all the small details in a room at least once, everything from fire alarms to stickers or security camera's but also things like a weird discolored spot on the wall. Audio is more difficult especially if it's inconsistent or has meaning like people talking, if I'm not listening/talking to anyone else I'll automatically start following parts of people's conversations without having much control over it. So for instance I'm playing a video game and my parents are talking two rooms further I'll still follow chunks of their conversation despite focusing in the game. I have a people in my family (+foster siblings) with ADD and ADHD Both are easily distracted without medicine, unlike them I don't get distracted and interrupt what I was doing. But both of them also have Hyper-focus especially the one with ADD meaning they can be doing something without noticing what's happening around them which for me is quite the opposite I notice everything which if annoying enough can pull me out of my focus while with them you can walk past them or say something without them noticing because they are focused on something else but yes outside of their hyper focus (hyper focus is usually when reading, drawing etc.) they'll easily get distracted from their goal/objective/task by for instance an animal they want to pet.
Apart from asperger I also have balance disorder, Chronic headache, food allergies and other fun stuff that might influence things as well.
@@neithere Oh and socially one of the worst parts is that I can't make eye contact, or well I can but not without feeling terrible, uncomfortable and my brain giving up. So where other people expect eye contact during conversation, I can't make eye contact without forgetting what I was saying and even when just listening to someone eye contact really throws me off. I think a big part of it is because I don't understand the information I'm seeing and I can't control what my eyes tell people so they will give random information to people that is often incorrect causing them to react on unintended false information instead of what I am saying.
Oh damn I skipped that at school...they did Bridges out of Spaghetti and stuff. I took another class
God this task's reveal halfway through is so great. And that's not even the high point, because after that, there's strength in arches!
my theories:
1. Stand on Table holding Potato.
2. move the house with some object and use it as a bridge
3. stick straws on the legs of the animals, creating 2 pillars left and right. Connect thoose pillars with something and thats ur bridge
Strongest shape is actually a hexagon, but to be fair a hexagon is basically 6 triangles joined together
Good work with the arches.
My first instinct would have probably been: My shoe is allowed to touch the house so kick as hard as you can
"You know my eyesight is affected around bridges" xD
Not only was there a hint above the door. The boat had the hint too but in Spanish. Also the question said on the table not bellow the table.
Strength in arches is a good name for a pub. The strength in arches.
Considering the loose definition of a "bridge" they demonstrated in this video they could've just stabbed the potato and given it legs haha
...there's strength in arches! 🤯
"Don't touch the building" is not the same as "Don't move the building".
Love this series!
I was thinking by using the tools, moving the taskmasters house without touching, you could use it.
Big brain move. Stand on the table and hold the potato up as high as you can
If you're going to stick the matches in the potato as legs, may as well do it with the straws or spaghetti -- much taller.
Is it bad that my first reaction to hearing the challenge was going to be going under the table, but not for any clever reason like those supplies
I wouldve just ripped the table legs off because it said you could use anything there
For the Top Score:
Flip the table; the whole world which was 'on' the table is now the bridge and must be measured to it's opposite point.
But now it's touching the house.
sure but you still have to put the potato on the top of the bridge.
@@tafana
You can't touch the house, nothing was said of the bridge touching it. 👉
@@RichardVanTassel
You pretend to have done it, and then the burden of proof is on them. Hide the potato, mail it to Argentina or New Zealand.
Or more realistically, simply take the potato to a lower elevation, even a meter of difference would do. I think there's a riverbed nearby.
@@Secondary_Identifier 0:34 "it must not touch the taskmaster's house"
This, to me, shows that the smartest people are not always the most appreciated... (I'm talking about Joe)
I hope that someone placed the note on top of the house (the note isnt part of the bridge) and connected it to the wall in the room they're standing in using some material they could find from anywhere and that they placed on the table. It's not above the river but its over it
Joe Wilkinson and potatoes, name a more iconic duo
Katherine was off to a decent start with the straw pyramids, but the rubber band suspension was not the way to go.
I would have started trying to deconstruct the "land" around the able to use for building material. And used the playing cards as a buffer to pick up with house without touching it. Then I'd ask if "found on the table" includes things that I put on the table and if so, I'd have started using the camera tripods or whatever else was in the room. Since they consider things attached to the table as being "on" the table, I'd also try to remove the table legs to use as building material. Could also put the potato on the roof and say that you consider the entire building to be your bridge (it's self support and goes over the water and is touching the table so it therefore "on" it).
"Highest self-supporting bridge wins" - NONE of these bridges were self-supporting XD
The triangles looked like a good start
1:20 he pointed out that something is under the table. now I'm intrigued!
I really wanted to see what someone would have done with the wood if they had found it. I think Jon using the toothpicks to raise the potato should not have counted as part of the bridge though.
The rule was to use what's "on" the table. So the stuff attached underneath should not have been allowed, as that's attached "to" the table (and is "under" it as well). On and To are not the same.
*Strength in arches*
Take the legs off the table, table to ground, one leg on either side of the river, the wooden dowels crossing the steel legs, potato on top.
I was wondering what the pixelated thing above the curtain was!