I wonder if Se are easier to get to a T because of the sensory building, so everything is factually checked and verified. Whereas Dave's N is just conclusions which is basically instincts upon instincts and hence the "I feel..."
Sometimes T is disingenuous, the T is just a projection of the F in this case. Idk I don’t like superficial comparisons of statements, that’s the easiest type of contradiction to point out and it’s usually not entirely correct
As a savior Ne, I'm really good at blurting out random theories that I have come up with based on very little evidence. I used to do this a lot, and people would look at me funny, like "what is this guy talking about". Now, I have learned to warn people before I say a random theory. I say something like "I have little or no evidence for this, but I'm guessing that... (insert theory here)". People seem to appreciate my ideas a lot more now that I have learned to communicate in this way. I believe that the best way to communicate is to start out with your conclusion that is based on intuition, and then make sure to list out the sensory evidence to back up your conclusion. This way, people start out understanding your point, and end up believing your point once you've expressed it.
Yes 100% my experience. The idea I got from somewhere means jack shit unless I can tell people where I got that idea from. I got to actually remember book titles and authors etc etc
But then we intuitives rattle off a conclusion and expect everyone to know how they got there. I'm an ENFJ and I get frustrated when people don't know what I'm talking about half the time. My baby Ti doesn't want to engage in the effort of explaining the logic. It's painful. Just keep up. 😂
@@cathyhart3946 I suspect strongly I'm a NiFi INTJ. A lot of my conclusions are based on "abstract insight patterns" that are so tightly interconnected that it feels like I would need to *first* untangle all the concepts and hunches, and *then* endeavour to bring people along. I have no patience for that either, so I often just rather say nothing. Based on OPS have started "throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks", by talking with people close to me, whose *thought processes* I trust and respect. and I've been writing a lot of notes/drafts of my personal thoughts. I really feel it helps me to find the words (blasting?)
@@QRondei YES! You explained it well. You have strong reasons for your "hunches" that make complete sense to you, but to explain it to others seems impossible. It's a dream when you can talk to someone who can track with you and doesn't constantly challenge your assertions. Being lead Fe, I have a harder time keeping quiet, so people probably see me as a prattling crazy-lady half the time!
Just yesterday, my group of three high Ne users and one high Se user had to deal with an air conditioner we couldn't plug in because someone had taken the adapter. The Ne users couldn't get over *why* someone would take the adapter. But we had enough stacked Si memories to jump to the conclusion that it was another cost-cutting move by the notoriously stingy manager. It was while we were discussing this theory that the Se user spotted the adapter in another corner of the room. I barely had any time to be embarrassed before Ne kicked in again and we all started wondering *why* someone would unplug the a/c, detach the adapter, and then set it somewhere else. We didn't have enough Si experience to jump to anything with this one, though. Anyway, high Ne is great when motives, politics and social undercurrents actually are in play. But it's kind of helpless when an Se problem actually requires an Se solution.
I would partially agree but partially disagree. I think Ne strives for replicable solutions, and asking why tends to lead towards (at least for me) methods to avoid problems like this occurring. Sensors and Te users care more about getting rid of the problem at hand as opposed to a replicable process to approach a similar sets of problems. It's not that Ne doesn't possibly know why (we can come up with a million potential reasons), it's just that we can't figure out something that isn't situational enough for us to feel good about the problem being solved because just assuming a feasible reason or just patching up the present problem doesn't make it solved.
Omg I feel this at work. That's why we have so many meetings to let the sensors talk it through while I'm waiting there ready with my conclusion.. but it always takes them another 5-10 minutes of a meeting to get there while I'm patiently waiting. And then we end up running out of time and then we have to schedule more time to go through the same thing.. omg
Strange, it's just the opposite at my job. The intuitives have meeting after meeting after meeting trying to theorize new ideas and new systems of doing things, reinventing the wheel, while us sensors fall asleep. Their meetings go for hours, and there is never a practical conclusion and nothing ever changes. They forget that they had the same meetings last year doing the same thing, and they always forget their conclusions. The sensors know right away if it can be done or not, practically-speaking, yet the intuitives have zero attention span for those details. Because of this, either the wrong conclusions are made, or the wrong reasoning is quoted for those conclusions.
@@basic-decaf haha I can see this too. I'm guessing it's highly dependent also on the work that you do and the organizational culture. I can 💯 see where intuitives falter cus the just can't get their sensory together. It's a two way street 😜
THANK you for this as a sensor working in grad school with all intuitives I tried to explain my slow process to a colleague. This summarizes it perfectly. I greatly appreciate what you are doing
As Ni, to me stacking conclusions is like instead of eating all the cupcakes, I'm just going to steal the Cherry off the top of all of them. Just give me the best parts of everything, and I don't care to do the work to build to that reward, I have no shame in 'stealing' the best Information or at least what I think is the best information. I feel like let all of the slow methodical people do all the work, and let me reap the rewards! And with the Internet it's become so much easier to find the best of the best!
My dad would do that like just talk and talk and not get to the point and i would just say tell me the point 1st and i will decide if i want to listen to the story or can i please just have the short version PLEASE.
I can assure that there are plenty of intuitive types on that beach that were completely oblivious to the sensory. Meanwhile, my Se goes "fuck the water is all gone, shit tidal wave." and I'm gone is 2 seconds.
Pretty much 100% of their points are based on what people sound like while they're communicating. So what they're talking about is bringing up random points in conversation. AKA channel changing. Also, what's the difference between a random conclusion and a random topic of a conclusion? I'm pretty sure they're the same thing. Random doesn't mean 'not thought out.' I could randomly start doing something that is more intricate and well thought out than someone who planned it.
As Ni dom, I'll say the Ni is doing a lot of work. It's not _jumping_ to conclusions. It's simply walking a path others can't perceive. The sensors are like, "I didn't see you move, therefore you made a giant leap." Lol Nah, fam.
In the end intuition is still always a prediction and a prediction just does not always have to be right. However, 'jumping to conclusions' is not the best way to describe it indeed
You guys were kind enough to type me as a sleep last ENFP a few months back, but I think if I had watched this first, I would have been nearly zeroed in on my self type. When I am at work, I will list off a string of assumptions and have to continuously remind myself to tell everyone that I am guessing. My direct co worker always is asking if these guesses are literally true and is almost always quoting something I said in the past when I throw out a new, contradicting assumption. Always, when I would be telling a story to my late mother, she would ask me if the story actually happened or if I was "Nathan'ing" the narrative up to make it funnier.
I too refuse to stay at the beachside more than necessary for the fear of tsunami waves even though I know there are no plate tectonics nearby to generate an earthquake to generate a tsunami.
There are signs on the London Underground that display when the next train is arriving. I refuse to stand underneath them in case one falls straight on my head and thus killing me!! - a wary ENFP 👀
I know when I’m talking with a sensor because they slowly walk through stories. I find it hard to focus when they go so slow and I already guessed the point. I try indicating that I get where they’re going and they still keep going slow. If I’m not careful my Ni zones out of the conversation for a while and comes back is the middle of the next story they’re telling and now I’m lost. I’ve learned to cope with these stories by thinking about something meta while still following them along. I might connect it to OPS like how an N would approach the same situation. Or I might connect it to humanity’s future or the underlying neuroscience. It’s really hard to stay present with a sensor sometimes.
@@sirbradfordofhousejones lol I am an isfp and my stories are VERY long. I have to consciously boil them down to make them more palatable for the listener my esfp best friend tho is not this way, she’s usually pretty to-the-point unless she is more emotionally invested
Lol your story is basically what it feels like to converse with the infj’s in my life as an isfp. At some point I see a glaze in their eyes, I can tell they probably zoned out. It seems like the way they deal with my storytelling is by interjecting a lot or by telling me they already understand. Sometimes it’s incredible to me they already understand the point so fast, but to me the juice is in the details! Just let me tell the whole story damn it 🥺🤣 I notice that when THEY tell stories though, the actual grounded part of the story is fast (like, “when I was buying food“) and then it jumps quickly into the big picture and it amazes me how they make these connections (“and so WalMart not paying their employees enough means climate change is going to destroy us...) and I’m like “but we weren’t even talking about WalMart or climate change?!“ 😂 Admittedly though as my Ni has developed more I also see myself making these far-reaching connections in a way I never used to, so now my stories go from being very long and elaborate to very long and elaborate AND far-reaching! 😜😆 i think i wouldn’t want to talk to me either...
I'm an ENFJ and my partner an ISTJ. So we have completly opposit N and S, but we love to talk for hours/days! He checks my conclusions and helps me to include all the sensory. I make him come to his conclusions by guessing what it is he wants to say and connecting his data points. We complete eachother really well. Thanks for the great video!
I think what they mean by Se being "slow", is that we tend to not like to make set plans quickly... For example we like to explore our options with work, relationship, hobbies... where quick to jump into things and experience things but have a hard time saying things like "yes, I can happily go through 4 years of college with only studying one subject, because I've always wanted to be a nurse".
I am not sure about this, I mean Ne constantly feeds me with connections that seem random to the external person, but not to the Ne user. If you ask, most of the time I can tell where the connection came from. A lot of times, it came from multiple connections, my brain heard "x", which reminded of "y" which that reminded me of "z", which that reminded me of "c" which that found a connection to "x". So I then talk about how "x" is connected with "c". Seems random to the other person, but not to the Ne user. And other thing, Ne doesn't marry with either connection, is like my brain coming up with 20 connections and then I start a process of analyzis, exploration and elimination (although it might come into play my Ti here). Problem is I love to talk about them, I want to integrate other people in the process of exploration. But 90% of what I say during exploration, I do not believe it. I am just saying it hoping a back and forth from the other person. So Ne is looking at all the possibilities it can come up with, but they are not personal, so they can freely talk about those possibilities with other people. Then, by talking to other people new ideas and possibilities come up, and now we want to talk about them. But it is more the joy talking about them than actually making conclussions. To further feed the idea and possibility machine. But rarely if ever I arrive any conclussions, in fact with me and other Ne users I have asked, we love leaving things open ended. We are more excited for the exploration than the conclussion. Because again, just because we say something, like the example you heard about the Ne user say "the problem with the Universe" it doesn't mean the person actually believes it, but is trying to start a conversation on that topic to see where it goes. It might seem the way you describe if you look from the outside, and then think that just like you, people want to reach conclussions. But to Ne is more about the journey than the destination. That is why so many Ne users have a hard time following up with their ideas, because a new one just came by. I don't want to suppose what methods are you using to reach function conclussions, but you should talk more to the subjects, to let them try and describe how the process works for them, instead of just looking and reaching conclussions, with only half the information.
They are 100% aware of this actually and talk about it a lot. Their videos are supposed to be about typing people, not necessarily explaining how peoples' brains work internally. When talking about functions they don't have, LITERALLY ALL THEY CAN DO is describe their external observations.
@@alexander_a. Well if they are 100% aware then they shouldn't be spreading misinformation. This false dichotomy they are creating about intuitives vs sensors only creates more confussion. When there is a lot of differences and nuances between the functions. It might not be their intent, but they made Ne seem shallow, by saying "Go fast to guess at random conclussions". Its more like, they want to explore random ideas and not necessarily reach a definitive conclussion. If you think an Ne user is serious about everything they say you would think we are crazy, but when you understand that the intent is usually to explore, not to make a point, then you get a fuller picture. I know they can be accurate, because they used to be, but lately they have been making several videos that just makes huge generalizations without going into any kind of depth or nuance... well at least they are still hilarious.
@@farrex0 I don't disagree with you there. I'm an Ne user myself so I understand how it works and I too have said many times that the purpose of Ne is to explore unknowns and see if there's any validity in a bunch of possibilities without any personal attachment to them. But I also understand that to the outside person I sound like a crazy person sometimes or (usually) someone who pulls connections out of thin air. I don't reject that perspective though because both the external and internal perspectives are useful for understanding anything holistically. Also, by describing Ne the way they do, they help people figure out who does/doesn't have Ne based on how they communicate which I think is ultimately useful. Also, I think you and I have different definitions of conclusions. In my brain, a conclusion is just a theory that has received my stamp of approval. That in the magical universe in my brain where friction, resistance, etc are all negligible, the theory works out. Conclusion to me doesn't mean something I am willing to fight for being true.
I remember being a kid playing with other kids in the back of a truck while our parents were at a party at the park. At first hint of movement of the truck (what I assumed was an earthquake) I jumped through the little window from the bed to the front seat and flung myself out the drivers window without looking behind me. Then I ran to my parent and waited until they were done with their conversation to tell them. Then I asked why did I leave the kids behind? I thought the best course of action was to run for parental help then save the other kids. Turns out our parent forgot to put the parking break on and the truck rolled backwards with all the kids into the car behind them. Haha good times. Same feeling I get with being on a beach and potential tsunamis. As I get older I get less interested in being on a flat wide open beach somewhere LOL In a building I always think that if everyone was escaping a burning building one way and I thought I found a better way, would I follow them? Also with the rambling... my sister will ask me: How did you get from here to there? And I’m like, “what do you mean!? You just do this (some broad vague stroke of information).” Then she’s like, can you tell me the concrete steps? I’m like, “I gave you the concept... you can apply it across your life!” But when she speaks it is so detailed and in depth and she’s so afraid about leaving information out. And I’m like, “I’m exhausted!!! Please just tell me the overall picture, sum it up, and then let me ask for the details I need.”
Honestly, now that I'm in my 30s I've become painfully aware of how my lead Ne is a curse. I'm so painfully slow and inefficient at Se/Si activities since I always found ways around it throughout my youth. Tell me to make a new spreadsheet or system of some sort and I'm all over it. But ask me to fill out a simple form and submit it and it takes me the entire morning.
So this is why, as an Se-dom, I was a great essay writer. It’s all about coming to an Ni conclusion and proving with facts. Also explains why I had a difficult time coming up with a succinct thesis statement, but an easy time proving the thesis.
This is something I've been picking up on recently in terms of Demon Thinking vs Demon Intuition... The NT is the 🤓 stuff so being slow on either one might make you feel "dumb" because you aren't comfortable in that arena. "You gotta guess!" "But I don't wanna guess!"
I remember watching War of the Worlds and the people standing and staring at a giant dangerous-looking hole in the ground. I thought, "Nobody would do that." But maybe if they were Sensors. Same with 9/11. People were told to stay in the buildings!!! Sensor advice seems to be, "Wait for proof that disaster next door will hit us." Same with people who stay at home when bushfires or floods arrive. I tried to get out of town before the covid lockdown hit, but I was too slow - I heard the lockdown was starting when I was sitting in the car dealership ready to buy a car to take off in. This slow sensor / fast intuitive idea would be great to use for screenwriters.
Why I think we can't say it: 1. Our speed gets validated 2. It becomes "wow you're really useful"/"wow you're really valuable" 3. Going slow feels like we'll lose the "smart guy"/"cool guy" badge 4. And it really sucks because EVERYONE wants to be a crazy intuitive these days
I've seen some posts on social media where they've done a poll and asked people if they have an inner dialogue, some do some don't so I'm guessing that this could be the difference in lead sensing/intuitive. Intuives seem to get pictures in their minds so maybe no inner dialogue? I'm very curious about this now. Anyone who reads this wanna chime in, I'd love to hear. I'm a lead sensor and I have to do something to stop thinking so I can sleep. My sis is a lead intuitive and she never ever has had a problem going to sleep. Also, when she would tell me something I'd ask, how do you know that, and she'd say I just know. I always thought she was making it up because it would be completely out of nowhere.
I love analogies(when executed well) but I really... very much so... respect accuracy. When I hear bad analogies I'm thinking it's a grift or your making up for poor logic and lack of evidence.
Yes, Dave is an ENTJ who uses a lot of Fe role and who also jumps to conclusions without having a comprehensive system. That's Te dom that takes the majority position or spectrum of opinions and it tries to fit all of those perspectives, without seeing the inconsistencies that result from this due to the system not being complex enough in order for them to fit in it. Also, the lack of Si or Si PoLR in ENTJs is seen by the fact that he doesn't bring comprehensive explanations for why he reached his conclusions, but he only states the conclusions or the result and he only references back his own system. Si child in INTPs and Si role in INTJs, stores information from different systems so that it can reference its point to them. An INTP would use precise terminology that would prove the choice of his words in a narrative way. The INTJ as well, it would reference back different systems, because Ni+Te is universal, whereas Te+Ni is only local, according to only an accepted method, the scientific method. Si child in INTPs and Si role in INTJs makes both types to be able to use narrative thinking, more so than descriptive. Dave, as him being an ENTJ Ni subtype, only uses Se descriptive thinking and his Si PoLR doesn't permit him to use narrative thinking as well. Another factor is his lack of Ti analysis. Both the INTJ and INTP have 4D Ti as strength. This allows both types to analyze and give comprehensive explanations on how they reached a conclusion. They allow them to state the process. On the other hand, Dave only states the conclusion. Te dom lends the user to state directly the conclusion as quick as possible and not be able to present the process. Thus, Dave uses Te domminant as he doesn't bother with the process, but the focus is on the conclusion. Dave is a healthy example of an Ni subtype ENTJ. His focus on ideas is enhanced due to the subtype, but this stems from an unconscious 4D Ne demonstrative in background, that it also lacks an Si starting point due to the nature of the Si PoLR function. His Ni only cames after combining ideas and concepts together in a fuzzy way, without looking if they are consistent or not. After all, it would need stronger Si than what the PoLR offers, in order for him to have consistency and to be able to show it by using narrative thinking that stronger Si would provide. Thus, we can also see that stronger Si would allow the user to be able to reference back multiple methods, just like an INTP references back different cultures of how they did things due to his Si child and Fe inferior, the point of reference for an INTJ would be the working of reality itself or of processes that Se inferior would provide. With it, and in combination with the Si role, he would be able to state how reality works based on different methods that have and are being used, and how they all converge to one point, which would present the Ni dom vision. You can't really have a legitimate system untill it is not universal. Universality requires first to combat traditions and the different methods used untill now, otherwise, such a system will became a tradition only as well, but not the truth. Dave, has this lack because he didn't addressed different systems and how they can be reconciled. Instead, he thinks that it is alright to have different and disparate perspectives Te+Ni instead of a singular focus Ni+Te. Of course, that would require to take a more slower approach and for this you would need something better than Si PoLR. But, again, Te domminant is concerned with the result, not so much on the methods or the process, as would be the case with Si child of the INTP or Si role in an INTJ, who as them being introverts would take things more slowly, in comparison with the extroverted Te function of an extrovert who is concerned with the result rather than the process, the latter being the introvert concern. You still have to give credits for how easy and accessible OPS is. This shows how strong the Te+Ni combo really is. But it is still a system made by an ENTJ Ni creative subtype. You could mistake him as an INTJ. But this stems from the fact that by having intuition enhanced due to his subtype, he can appear as having the Ni domminant of an INTJ, but this is not the case.
@@gigglesmcdounut723 Look at what functions he uses, not based on what he says. The functions and the specific oppositions that they create is what makes a type, not words.
But let's not forget that everyone has both a sensory AND an intuitive function. Being higher in the stack doesn't mean you will ALWAYS use that function and in such an exxagerated way.
I cant guess to save my life. I wont guess. I hate it 😵 almost any guess, even one pretty likely to happen, feels as un-real to me as like a magical made-up kingdom of elves and dragons and stuff. And rather than making some kind of point, I always just default to an anecdote of something that actually happened that I just kinda "hope" gets some point (that I haven't decided yet) acrosss...which I also hate doing...hoping... ah, gawd im gonna go tweak my spreadsheets now🙃 -istj
Found out I'm an Ni-dominant recently. Yeah... I should've known every time I had an English teacher say "you need to cite your sources!" Or "explain." 🤦♂️🤦♂️ lol Edit: also "you need to restate your thesis!!" Like, I did that shit once. That's enough lol
a lot of the time when i try to explain something in a sencory i just stop in the middle of a sentence because it's time comsuming but we have to move further
I think you guys are over-indexing on your Te. It might seem that way because Te relies on preconceived notions and ideas/methods to construct thought, which usually comes about by the tribe having banged out a bunch of these that are either provably or feasibly true/seem to work. Applying your Ni(s) which consists of having to stack concepts in a situation where there may not be enough Te available to build that tower means you have to guess and make assumptions. Intuitive Fe/Ti does not work like this.
The other day my boss was asking me about something so in the middle of him telling me I started to interrupt and guess which file he was going to talk about not giving him a chance to speak 😂 And now I’m like oh no that’s rude need to control my Ni
I want to do things so perfectly I take much more time, even though I could do them faster, I prefer to go through each step carefullt and perfectly done.. For example: my boyfriend keeps telling me he's much faster washing the dishes, and I see that, I just rather do them perfectly.. He's much faster and makes me feel undervalued about my perfectionism.. This also has happened at work several Times.. where someone who would do it faster even though not as goos or organized, would be more appreciated.. But I worked at a supermarket so it is normal that they valued productivity.. Now I work as a teacher, I believe being perfectionist there is more valued
The way I see the "jumps to conclusions" is like... if reality is 839,726.50... sensors deal within 839K and are concerned with ...,726.50 vs ...,733.75 vs ...,715.35, and intuitives are concerned with 839K vs 842K vs 821K. If there was a meta organism, the "Human being" of society, specializing different personalities and characters (ie ways to pilot personalities) at exploring different ways on the scale level to analyze a situation, we have some people focused on the details vs the big picture.
4:35 That dude said approximately 10 words, succinctly and concisely presenting an analogy and delivering a valuable point. Meanwhile Dave and Shan are ever here with an 8 minute video of profanity and laughing at people.
I draw my conclusions based on S people from many sources as a Ni. When weak I can jump to conclusions, but most of the time, I really have become more like my strong Si in the background to do what you said of Si in a shorter amount of time.
I’ve been listening to y’all a lot the last few days... I like it, I’m interested, y’all are awesome. AND I think I’m getting some but I really don’t know if or how I am getting of it ... this one seems to make more sense ... in some way they all do but do you have any suggestions for a key or a map or an overview(perhaps a video?)
Yeah, what they described is Si mostly, they just presented a false dichotomy between intuition vs sensor. But in reality you can't put sensors in a group and make generalized statements. Because Se users are extremely different from Si users and Ni users are extremely different from Ne users. It is sad, because seem to have lost almost all respect to nuance and accuracy, lately. I do not know what is happening to them. Maybe, they have talked so much about the system, that it is hard to get new topics for videos. So they are making them on the first idea that comes to mind.
In the FB group, Se doms sometimes post walls of text that don't offer conclusions. So people just passing this off on the Si's are making a mistake. Si will trend towards step by step thinking, in theory.
@@IndieAuthorX speaking and text are verrrrry different. Intuitives do monologues of text, that doesn’t mean they are slow OR fast. And when it is Ne, there isn’t much of a point either, as they get in tangent land. I just think this particular video is more accurately Si vs Ni, as Se and Ne are far different.
Math teachers must be intuitive types. I remember algebra and trig. being confusing because the steps were never fully laid out. Here are the equations and how to solve them, moving on. “How were these concepts developed?” “What is the history of their discovery?” Teacher says that they don’t know now practice the problems with busywork and gives homework.
I'm a sensor and my sis is an intuitive, she's always jumping to conclusions about my intentions. I'm always wondering where in the hell she gets her insights.😂🤣😂 Also, as a sensor, when I watch your videos, I have to slow it down to .75 speed. I'm all about deeetails!😆
With Ne im okay stacking these large conclusion chunks together because it sees enough perspectives to correct course. Im not going to create a massive stack that I learn is entirely wrong. TiNe though
On a case by case basis one of these frameworks is probably a better way to think. In some things just making tentative conclusions and not proving them is perfectly reasonable like if you are talking about something you have long experience in. E.g. a sport. Conversly if it's a thing where you *must* be accurate like a major diplomatic agreement or wether or not you should hire this or that person then it better have proven the case in detail.
Ha ha yeah I might stare at the waves an extra half second longer but I would definitely out run an N after I turned around and started running. In times where that half second matters? Yeah I’d be dead.
Can you do an analysis on this video: ua-cam.com/video/AQeVHqh0ghs/v-deo.html ? I have a feeling that his realization of life throwing him surprises and him trying to roll with them is something you two talk about often. I’m curious what you have to say :)
Personally, my biggest pet peeve is to be inefficient… and also, I am always on the lookout for being boring with unrelevant details when I talk. My mom is lead Si and I cannot bear listening to her telling a story 😴😴😴. Get to the point!!!! 😂
I agree, but for me that's the nature of this video. He says a single sentence and then 40 minutes get skipped and you get thrown into it without any idea what happened before. According to the video title I'd expect some sort of structure, but by skipping that is just gone and it would take some time to get in again.
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If this was the first video anyone watched of you guys no one would know what the hell you're talking about. Like what the hell are you talking about and why aren't you talking like human beings talk? Do you have to constantly interrupt each other? Would it kill you to have some kind of groundwork and information, an intro, anything to frame what you are going to say at a hundred miles an hour in the next bit.
Who gives a stht, I'm just trying to get to work, that's where people judge me, so I better do right by me so I don't get in trouble. That's what i fear.
My Ni going crazy in new locations, in the elevator wondering how the emergency button works, how long it’d take for first responders to arrive, what’d I’d have to use to defend myself if I’m trapped with an attacker, where’s any security cameras, how long does each level stop take. Meanwhile I’m thinking all of this the other person in there with me could just knock my ass out on a whim.
Shan: “Stop telling your Fi. Tell me reasons of like, why that is happening.”
Dave: “It feels like…” 😂
Yeah, I lost it on that one too!
I wonder if Se are easier to get to a T because of the sensory building, so everything is factually checked and verified. Whereas Dave's N is just conclusions which is basically instincts upon instincts and hence the "I feel..."
@@SJ-um8zc that’s an interesting line of thought. I will think about that
Sometimes T is disingenuous, the T is just a projection of the F in this case. Idk I don’t like superficial comparisons of statements, that’s the easiest type of contradiction to point out and it’s usually not entirely correct
As a savior Ne, I'm really good at blurting out random theories that I have come up with based on very little evidence. I used to do this a lot, and people would look at me funny, like "what is this guy talking about".
Now, I have learned to warn people before I say a random theory. I say something like "I have little or no evidence for this, but I'm guessing that... (insert theory here)". People seem to appreciate my ideas a lot more now that I have learned to communicate in this way.
I believe that the best way to communicate is to start out with your conclusion that is based on intuition, and then make sure to list out the sensory evidence to back up your conclusion. This way, people start out understanding your point, and end up believing your point once you've expressed it.
Sounds like savior play energy.
Yes 100% my experience. The idea I got from somewhere means jack shit unless I can tell people where I got that idea from. I got to actually remember book titles and authors etc etc
I do recognise the impatience a lot.I need to know where we're going, before knowing every single step to get there.
Great description.
YES! Give me the big picture then I can decide how closely I need to listen to you. (Ni aux)
But then we intuitives rattle off a conclusion and expect everyone to know how they got there. I'm an ENFJ and I get frustrated when people don't know what I'm talking about half the time. My baby Ti doesn't want to engage in the effort of explaining the logic. It's painful. Just keep up. 😂
@@cathyhart3946 I suspect strongly I'm a NiFi INTJ. A lot of my conclusions are based on "abstract insight patterns" that are so tightly interconnected that it feels like I would need to *first* untangle all the concepts and hunches, and *then* endeavour to bring people along. I have no patience for that either, so I often just rather say nothing. Based on OPS have started "throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks", by talking with people close to me, whose *thought processes* I trust and respect. and I've been writing a lot of notes/drafts of my personal thoughts. I really feel it helps me to find the words (blasting?)
@@QRondei YES! You explained it well. You have strong reasons for your "hunches" that make complete sense to you, but to explain it to others seems impossible. It's a dream when you can talk to someone who can track with you and doesn't constantly challenge your assertions. Being lead Fe, I have a harder time keeping quiet, so people probably see me as a prattling crazy-lady half the time!
Just yesterday, my group of three high Ne users and one high Se user had to deal with an air conditioner we couldn't plug in because someone had taken the adapter. The Ne users couldn't get over *why* someone would take the adapter. But we had enough stacked Si memories to jump to the conclusion that it was another cost-cutting move by the notoriously stingy manager. It was while we were discussing this theory that the Se user spotted the adapter in another corner of the room.
I barely had any time to be embarrassed before Ne kicked in again and we all started wondering *why* someone would unplug the a/c, detach the adapter, and then set it somewhere else. We didn't have enough Si experience to jump to anything with this one, though.
Anyway, high Ne is great when motives, politics and social undercurrents actually are in play. But it's kind of helpless when an Se problem actually requires an Se solution.
BAHAHAHA I’m an ENFP and I love this story 😂👏
I would partially agree but partially disagree. I think Ne strives for replicable solutions, and asking why tends to lead towards (at least for me) methods to avoid problems like this occurring.
Sensors and Te users care more about getting rid of the problem at hand as opposed to a replicable process to approach a similar sets of problems. It's not that Ne doesn't possibly know why (we can come up with a million potential reasons), it's just that we can't figure out something that isn't situational enough for us to feel good about the problem being solved because just assuming a feasible reason or just patching up the present problem doesn't make it solved.
define "high"...
@@joshuasukup2488 HAHAH
@@joshuasukup2488 Three Ne parents and one Se hero.
Intuitives get answers faster but don't always know the source of their information which leads to sensors not trusting them.
I'd say they just don't understand. If it isn't concrete, we don't have a point (since sensors can only digest the tangible).
@@Shirikatsu🙄 I wish I could make this eye roll emoji bigger at what you just said. NONSENSE.
@@Shirikatsu lol what
It's even worse when the answers are fast and wrong. It will build up as a statistic that you don't know your stuff.
Source: Trust me, bro.
Every day, we say Dave’s last line… how in the world did humans make it even this far!?
Omg I feel this at work. That's why we have so many meetings to let the sensors talk it through while I'm waiting there ready with my conclusion.. but it always takes them another 5-10 minutes of a meeting to get there while I'm patiently waiting. And then we end up running out of time and then we have to schedule more time to go through the same thing.. omg
Strange, it's just the opposite at my job. The intuitives have meeting after meeting after meeting trying to theorize new ideas and new systems of doing things, reinventing the wheel, while us sensors fall asleep. Their meetings go for hours, and there is never a practical conclusion and nothing ever changes.
They forget that they had the same meetings last year doing the same thing, and they always forget their conclusions. The sensors know right away if it can be done or not, practically-speaking, yet the intuitives have zero attention span for those details. Because of this, either the wrong conclusions are made, or the wrong reasoning is quoted for those conclusions.
@@basic-decaf haha I can see this too. I'm guessing it's highly dependent also on the work that you do and the organizational culture. I can 💯 see where intuitives falter cus the just can't get their sensory together. It's a two way street 😜
thing is i have these ne users are connecting barely objective and "sensical" conclusions - very half-assed
THANK you for this as a sensor working in grad school with all intuitives I tried to explain my slow process to a colleague. This summarizes it perfectly. I greatly appreciate what you are doing
As Ni, to me stacking conclusions is like instead of eating all the cupcakes, I'm just going to steal the Cherry off the top of all of them. Just give me the best parts of everything, and I don't care to do the work to build to that reward, I have no shame in 'stealing' the best Information or at least what I think is the best information. I feel like let all of the slow methodical people do all the work, and let me reap the rewards! And with the Internet it's become so much easier to find the best of the best!
Now that you have explicated that, I still feel no shame about that. But it is also funny
My dad would do that like just talk and talk and not get to the point and i would just say tell me the point 1st and i will decide if i want to listen to the story or can i please just have the short version PLEASE.
"yee we are going super slow and saying nothiiiiiiing" I lost it.
I can assure that there are plenty of intuitive types on that beach that were completely oblivious to the sensory.
Meanwhile, my Se goes "fuck the water is all gone, shit tidal wave." and I'm gone is 2 seconds.
It's a completely different framework. No wonder we speak different languages.
In the case of Ne and Se the conclusions itself are not _random_ . Rather, the subjects it makes conclusions about are more random.
Pretty much 100% of their points are based on what people sound like while they're communicating. So what they're talking about is bringing up random points in conversation. AKA channel changing.
Also, what's the difference between a random conclusion and a random topic of a conclusion? I'm pretty sure they're the same thing. Random doesn't mean 'not thought out.' I could randomly start doing something that is more intricate and well thought out than someone who planned it.
As Ni dom, I'll say the Ni is doing a lot of work. It's not _jumping_ to conclusions. It's simply walking a path others can't perceive. The sensors are like, "I didn't see you move, therefore you made a giant leap." Lol Nah, fam.
In the end intuition is still always a prediction and a prediction just does not always have to be right. However, 'jumping to conclusions' is not the best way to describe it indeed
@@PowerRedBullTypology I agree with both of you
When I'm intuitive, I'm usually right. But I'm not sure. So I have learned to say "most likely."
You guys were kind enough to type me as a sleep last ENFP a few months back, but I think if I had watched this first, I would have been nearly zeroed in on my self type.
When I am at work, I will list off a string of assumptions and have to continuously remind myself to tell everyone that I am guessing. My direct co worker always is asking if these guesses are literally true and is almost always quoting something I said in the past when I throw out a new, contradicting assumption.
Always, when I would be telling a story to my late mother, she would ask me if the story actually happened or if I was "Nathan'ing" the narrative up to make it funnier.
I too refuse to stay at the beachside more than necessary for the fear of tsunami waves even though I know there are no plate tectonics nearby to generate an earthquake to generate a tsunami.
There are signs on the London Underground that display when the next train is arriving. I refuse to stand underneath them in case one falls straight on my head and thus killing me!! - a wary ENFP 👀
I know when I’m talking with a sensor because they slowly walk through stories. I find it hard to focus when they go so slow and I already guessed the point. I try indicating that I get where they’re going and they still keep going slow. If I’m not careful my Ni zones out of the conversation for a while and comes back is the middle of the next story they’re telling and now I’m lost. I’ve learned to cope with these stories by thinking about something meta while still following them along. I might connect it to OPS like how an N would approach the same situation. Or I might connect it to humanity’s future or the underlying neuroscience. It’s really hard to stay present with a sensor sometimes.
That’s not an Se sensor thing. SPs are not slowly building in their storytelling. Se-Te is snappy.
Edit: *For example, Se-Te is snappy
@@sirbradfordofhousejones My stories are a shotgun blast of crazy shit.
@@MrLuigiFercotti what type are you? Because I concur as an esfp 😝
@@sirbradfordofhousejones lol I am an isfp and my stories are VERY long. I have to consciously boil them down to make them more palatable for the listener
my esfp best friend tho is not this way, she’s usually pretty to-the-point unless she is more emotionally invested
Lol your story is basically what it feels like to converse with the infj’s in my life as an isfp. At some point I see a glaze in their eyes, I can tell they probably zoned out. It seems like the way they deal with my storytelling is by interjecting a lot or by telling me they already understand. Sometimes it’s incredible to me they already understand the point so fast, but to me the juice is in the details! Just let me tell the whole story damn it 🥺🤣
I notice that when THEY tell stories though, the actual grounded part of the story is fast (like, “when I was buying food“) and then it jumps quickly into the big picture and it amazes me how they make these connections (“and so WalMart not paying their employees enough means climate change is going to destroy us...) and I’m like “but we weren’t even talking about WalMart or climate change?!“ 😂
Admittedly though as my Ni has developed more I also see myself making these far-reaching connections in a way I never used to, so now my stories go from being very long and elaborate to very long and elaborate AND far-reaching! 😜😆 i think i wouldn’t want to talk to me either...
I'm an ENFJ and my partner an ISTJ. So we have completly opposit N and S, but we love to talk for hours/days! He checks my conclusions and helps me to include all the sensory. I make him come to his conclusions by guessing what it is he wants to say and connecting his data points. We complete eachother really well. Thanks for the great video!
aw that's really sweet
I remember my boss just telling me, you have to reach this goal.. And I'm like: but I've never done that, can you give me more details?
She: no
I think what they mean by Se being "slow", is that we tend to not like to make set plans quickly... For example we like to explore our options with work, relationship, hobbies... where quick to jump into things and experience things but have a hard time saying things like "yes, I can happily go through 4 years of college with only studying one subject, because I've always wanted to be a nurse".
I am not sure about this, I mean Ne constantly feeds me with connections that seem random to the external person, but not to the Ne user. If you ask, most of the time I can tell where the connection came from. A lot of times, it came from multiple connections, my brain heard "x", which reminded of "y" which that reminded me of "z", which that reminded me of "c" which that found a connection to "x". So I then talk about how "x" is connected with "c". Seems random to the other person, but not to the Ne user.
And other thing, Ne doesn't marry with either connection, is like my brain coming up with 20 connections and then I start a process of analyzis, exploration and elimination (although it might come into play my Ti here). Problem is I love to talk about them, I want to integrate other people in the process of exploration. But 90% of what I say during exploration, I do not believe it. I am just saying it hoping a back and forth from the other person.
So Ne is looking at all the possibilities it can come up with, but they are not personal, so they can freely talk about those possibilities with other people. Then, by talking to other people new ideas and possibilities come up, and now we want to talk about them. But it is more the joy talking about them than actually making conclussions. To further feed the idea and possibility machine. But rarely if ever I arrive any conclussions, in fact with me and other Ne users I have asked, we love leaving things open ended. We are more excited for the exploration than the conclussion.
Because again, just because we say something, like the example you heard about the Ne user say "the problem with the Universe" it doesn't mean the person actually believes it, but is trying to start a conversation on that topic to see where it goes.
It might seem the way you describe if you look from the outside, and then think that just like you, people want to reach conclussions. But to Ne is more about the journey than the destination. That is why so many Ne users have a hard time following up with their ideas, because a new one just came by. I don't want to suppose what methods are you using to reach function conclussions, but you should talk more to the subjects, to let them try and describe how the process works for them, instead of just looking and reaching conclussions, with only half the information.
They are 100% aware of this actually and talk about it a lot. Their videos are supposed to be about typing people, not necessarily explaining how peoples' brains work internally. When talking about functions they don't have, LITERALLY ALL THEY CAN DO is describe their external observations.
@@alexander_a. Well if they are 100% aware then they shouldn't be spreading misinformation. This false dichotomy they are creating about intuitives vs sensors only creates more confussion. When there is a lot of differences and nuances between the functions. It might not be their intent, but they made Ne seem shallow, by saying "Go fast to guess at random conclussions". Its more like, they want to explore random ideas and not necessarily reach a definitive conclussion. If you think an Ne user is serious about everything they say you would think we are crazy, but when you understand that the intent is usually to explore, not to make a point, then you get a fuller picture.
I know they can be accurate, because they used to be, but lately they have been making several videos that just makes huge generalizations without going into any kind of depth or nuance... well at least they are still hilarious.
@@farrex0 I don't disagree with you there. I'm an Ne user myself so I understand how it works and I too have said many times that the purpose of Ne is to explore unknowns and see if there's any validity in a bunch of possibilities without any personal attachment to them.
But I also understand that to the outside person I sound like a crazy person sometimes or (usually) someone who pulls connections out of thin air. I don't reject that perspective though because both the external and internal perspectives are useful for understanding anything holistically.
Also, by describing Ne the way they do, they help people figure out who does/doesn't have Ne based on how they communicate which I think is ultimately useful.
Also, I think you and I have different definitions of conclusions. In my brain, a conclusion is just a theory that has received my stamp of approval. That in the magical universe in my brain where friction, resistance, etc are all negligible, the theory works out. Conclusion to me doesn't mean something I am willing to fight for being true.
I remember being a kid playing with other kids in the back of a truck while our parents were at a party at the park. At first hint of movement of the truck (what I assumed was an earthquake) I jumped through the little window from the bed to the front seat and flung myself out the drivers window without looking behind me. Then I ran to my parent and waited until they were done with their conversation to tell them. Then I asked why did I leave the kids behind? I thought the best course of action was to run for parental help then save the other kids. Turns out our parent forgot to put the parking break on and the truck rolled backwards with all the kids into the car behind them. Haha good times.
Same feeling I get with being on a beach and potential tsunamis. As I get older I get less interested in being on a flat wide open beach somewhere LOL
In a building I always think that if everyone was escaping a burning building one way and I thought I found a better way, would I follow them?
Also with the rambling... my sister will ask me: How did you get from here to there? And I’m like, “what do you mean!? You just do this (some broad vague stroke of information).” Then she’s like, can you tell me the concrete steps? I’m like, “I gave you the concept... you can apply it across your life!”
But when she speaks it is so detailed and in depth and she’s so afraid about leaving information out. And I’m like, “I’m exhausted!!! Please just tell me the overall picture, sum it up, and then let me ask for the details I need.”
Honestly, now that I'm in my 30s I've become painfully aware of how my lead Ne is a curse. I'm so painfully slow and inefficient at Se/Si activities since I always found ways around it throughout my youth. Tell me to make a new spreadsheet or system of some sort and I'm all over it. But ask me to fill out a simple form and submit it and it takes me the entire morning.
So this is why, as an Se-dom, I was a great essay writer. It’s all about coming to an Ni conclusion and proving with facts. Also explains why I had a difficult time coming up with a succinct thesis statement, but an easy time proving the thesis.
that's pretty cool! -INFP
I'm so fast to comment, even before I finish watch it.
This is something I've been picking up on recently in terms of Demon Thinking vs Demon Intuition...
The NT is the 🤓 stuff so being slow on either one might make you feel "dumb" because you aren't comfortable in that arena.
"You gotta guess!"
"But I don't wanna guess!"
I remember watching War of the Worlds and the people standing and staring at a giant dangerous-looking hole in the ground. I thought, "Nobody would do that." But maybe if they were Sensors. Same with 9/11. People were told to stay in the buildings!!! Sensor advice seems to be, "Wait for proof that disaster next door will hit us." Same with people who stay at home when bushfires or floods arrive. I tried to get out of town before the covid lockdown hit, but I was too slow - I heard the lockdown was starting when I was sitting in the car dealership ready to buy a car to take off in. This slow sensor / fast intuitive idea would be great to use for screenwriters.
I'm guess your Dom consume?
@@HitomiAyumu Officially, FM Ti/Se CSPB, but I think I'm FF Ti/Ne or maybe FF Ti/Ni.
Why I think we can't say it:
1. Our speed gets validated
2. It becomes "wow you're really useful"/"wow you're really valuable"
3. Going slow feels like we'll lose the "smart guy"/"cool guy" badge
4. And it really sucks because EVERYONE wants to be a crazy intuitive these days
I've seen some posts on social media where they've done a poll and asked people if they have an inner dialogue, some do some don't so I'm guessing that this could be the difference in lead sensing/intuitive. Intuives seem to get pictures in their minds so maybe no inner dialogue? I'm very curious about this now. Anyone who reads this wanna chime in, I'd love to hear. I'm a lead sensor and I have to do something to stop thinking so I can sleep. My sis is a lead intuitive and she never ever has had a problem going to sleep. Also, when she would tell me something I'd ask, how do you know that, and she'd say I just know. I always thought she was making it up because it would be completely out of nowhere.
I love analogies(when executed well) but I really... very much so... respect accuracy. When I hear bad analogies I'm thinking it's a grift or your making up for poor logic and lack of evidence.
If Dave and Shan can shut up for just 2 minutes and let their viewers just listen to what the example is talking about, that would be great
THISSSSS 7:10
I was hoping one day someone will make a statement like that. That as well as 2:22
"I cant believe the human race made it this far" 😂
Me with a nagging mom that’s also a sensor*
“DARN IT! I UNDERSTOOD 3 PAGES AGO!!”
Yes, Dave is an ENTJ who uses a lot of Fe role and who also jumps to conclusions without having a comprehensive system. That's Te dom that takes the majority position or spectrum of opinions and it tries to fit all of those perspectives, without seeing the inconsistencies that result from this due to the system not being complex enough in order for them to fit in it.
Also, the lack of Si or Si PoLR in ENTJs is seen by the fact that he doesn't bring comprehensive explanations for why he reached his conclusions, but he only states the conclusions or the result and he only references back his own system.
Si child in INTPs and Si role in INTJs, stores information from different systems so that it can reference its point to them.
An INTP would use precise terminology that would prove the choice of his words in a narrative way. The INTJ as well, it would reference back different systems, because Ni+Te is universal, whereas Te+Ni is only local, according to only an accepted method, the scientific method.
Si child in INTPs and Si role in INTJs makes both types to be able to use narrative thinking, more so than descriptive.
Dave, as him being an ENTJ Ni subtype, only uses Se descriptive thinking and his Si PoLR doesn't permit him to use narrative thinking as well.
Another factor is his lack of Ti analysis. Both the INTJ and INTP have 4D Ti as strength. This allows both types to analyze and give comprehensive explanations on how they reached a conclusion. They allow them to state the process.
On the other hand, Dave only states the conclusion. Te dom lends the user to state directly the conclusion as quick as possible and not be able to present the process. Thus, Dave uses Te domminant as he doesn't bother with the process, but the focus is on the conclusion.
Dave is a healthy example of an Ni subtype ENTJ. His focus on ideas is enhanced due to the subtype, but this stems from an unconscious 4D Ne demonstrative in background, that it also lacks an Si starting point due to the nature of the Si PoLR function. His Ni only cames after combining ideas and concepts together in a fuzzy way, without looking if they are consistent or not. After all, it would need stronger Si than what the PoLR offers, in order for him to have consistency and to be able to show it by using narrative thinking that stronger Si would provide.
Thus, we can also see that stronger Si would allow the user to be able to reference back multiple methods, just like an INTP references back different cultures of how they did things due to his Si child and Fe inferior, the point of reference for an INTJ would be the working of reality itself or of processes that Se inferior would provide. With it, and in combination with the Si role, he would be able to state how reality works based on different methods that have and are being used, and how they all converge to one point, which would present the Ni dom vision.
You can't really have a legitimate system untill it is not universal. Universality requires first to combat traditions and the different methods used untill now, otherwise, such a system will became a tradition only as well, but not the truth.
Dave, has this lack because he didn't addressed different systems and how they can be reconciled. Instead, he thinks that it is alright to have different and disparate perspectives Te+Ni instead of a singular focus Ni+Te.
Of course, that would require to take a more slower approach and for this you would need something better than Si PoLR. But, again, Te domminant is concerned with the result, not so much on the methods or the process, as would be the case with Si child of the INTP or Si role in an INTJ, who as them being introverts would take things more slowly, in comparison with the extroverted Te function of an extrovert who is concerned with the result rather than the process, the latter being the introvert concern.
You still have to give credits for how easy and accessible OPS is. This shows how strong the Te+Ni combo really is. But it is still a system made by an ENTJ Ni creative subtype. You could mistake him as an INTJ. But this stems from the fact that by having intuition enhanced due to his subtype, he can appear as having the Ni domminant of an INTJ, but this is not the case.
Isn't Dave an INTJ? They have been saying he is since I've started watching them.
@@gigglesmcdounut723 Look at what functions he uses, not based on what he says.
The functions and the specific oppositions that they create is what makes a type, not words.
you two are not typing with the same mbti system for sure.
this video inspired me to start making videos, but i don’t blame you, i’m grateful
But let's not forget that everyone has both a sensory AND an intuitive function. Being higher in the stack doesn't mean you will ALWAYS use that function and in such an exxagerated way.
In case you run out of ideas for videos, you guys should remake the system's "guide series", with up to date concepts
7:09 what Dave says about Ni makes it sound so much like Ne, but now i can see how Ni works
I cant guess to save my life. I wont guess. I hate it 😵 almost any guess, even one pretty likely to happen, feels as un-real to me as like a magical made-up kingdom of elves and dragons and stuff. And rather than making some kind of point, I always just default to an anecdote of something that actually happened that I just kinda "hope" gets some point (that I haven't decided yet) acrosss...which I also hate doing...hoping... ah, gawd im gonna go tweak my spreadsheets now🙃 -istj
Found out I'm an Ni-dominant recently. Yeah... I should've known every time I had an English teacher say "you need to cite your sources!" Or "explain." 🤦♂️🤦♂️ lol
Edit: also "you need to restate your thesis!!" Like, I did that shit once. That's enough lol
a lot of the time when i try to explain something in a sencory i just stop in the middle of a sentence because it's time comsuming but we have to move further
I think you guys are over-indexing on your Te. It might seem that way because Te relies on preconceived notions and ideas/methods to construct thought, which usually comes about by the tribe having banged out a bunch of these that are either provably or feasibly true/seem to work. Applying your Ni(s) which consists of having to stack concepts in a situation where there may not be enough Te available to build that tower means you have to guess and make assumptions. Intuitive Fe/Ti does not work like this.
what type are usually/inclined to being careless like in the sensory/process?
The other day my boss was asking me about something so in the middle of him telling me I started to interrupt and guess which file he was going to talk about not giving him a chance to speak 😂 And now I’m like oh no that’s rude need to control my Ni
@Caiden the moment you realize we are our functions lol
🚩 PLEASE type TOM HOLLAND ESFP or ENFP ?? 🚩
“Don’t take that literally” lol
Ni is all about impatience. LITERALLY.
Ne- we don't want to be bored or to bore anyone else.
Imagine being Isfp.. these n's making you feel like you're slow, is the worst feeling..
Can you elaborate? How would Se perceive this slowness and why is it the worst feeling?
I want to do things so perfectly I take much more time, even though I could do them faster, I prefer to go through each step carefullt and perfectly done..
For example: my boyfriend keeps telling me he's much faster washing the dishes, and I see that, I just rather do them perfectly.. He's much faster and makes me feel undervalued about my perfectionism..
This also has happened at work several Times.. where someone who would do it faster even though not as goos or organized, would be more appreciated.. But I worked at a supermarket so it is normal that they valued productivity..
Now I work as a teacher, I believe being perfectionist there is more valued
The way I see the "jumps to conclusions" is like... if reality is 839,726.50... sensors deal within 839K and are concerned with ...,726.50 vs ...,733.75 vs ...,715.35, and intuitives are concerned with 839K vs 842K vs 821K. If there was a meta organism, the "Human being" of society, specializing different personalities and characters (ie ways to pilot personalities) at exploring different ways on the scale level to analyze a situation, we have some people focused on the details vs the big picture.
4:35 That dude said approximately 10 words, succinctly and concisely presenting an analogy and delivering a valuable point. Meanwhile Dave and Shan are ever here with an 8 minute video of profanity and laughing at people.
I draw my conclusions based on S people from many sources as a Ni. When weak I can jump to conclusions, but most of the time, I really have become more like my strong Si in the background to do what you said of Si in a shorter amount of time.
Si "Goes slow to prove personal conclusions" , is this different than Ti? Can someone explain to a n00b :)
So does N types want to finish S types sentences all the time because they find them slow?
I’ve been listening to y’all a lot the last few days... I like it, I’m interested, y’all are awesome. AND I think I’m getting some but I really don’t know if or how I am getting of it ... this one seems to make more sense ... in some way they all do but do you have any suggestions for a key or a map or an overview(perhaps a video?)
I don’t think this qualifies for ESTP/ESFP, though. Being lead Oe, we aren’t going to slowly go on and on and on
Yeah, what they described is Si mostly, they just presented a false dichotomy between intuition vs sensor. But in reality you can't put sensors in a group and make generalized statements. Because Se users are extremely different from Si users and Ni users are extremely different from Ne users. It is sad, because seem to have lost almost all respect to nuance and accuracy, lately. I do not know what is happening to them. Maybe, they have talked so much about the system, that it is hard to get new topics for videos. So they are making them on the first idea that comes to mind.
@@farrex0 I love OPS, but I’ve noticed that, as well. This video is far too much of a reach, and it is becoming a pattern
In the FB group, Se doms sometimes post walls of text that don't offer conclusions. So people just passing this off on the Si's are making a mistake. Si will trend towards step by step thinking, in theory.
@@IndieAuthorX speaking and text are verrrrry different. Intuitives do monologues of text, that doesn’t mean they are slow OR fast. And when it is Ne, there isn’t much of a point either, as they get in tangent land. I just think this particular video is more accurately Si vs Ni, as Se and Ne are far different.
I wonder if all the functions can cause someone to go on and on about certain topics. It depends what’s at ‘risk’.
Hi Dave & Shan,
Can you type Rihanna??? Asking for a friend 👀!
Math teachers must be intuitive types. I remember algebra and trig. being confusing because the steps were never fully laid out. Here are the equations and how to solve them, moving on.
“How were these concepts developed?”
“What is the history of their discovery?”
Teacher says that they don’t know now practice the problems with busywork and gives homework.
Hey Dave, ulutions at the end.
I'm a sensor and my sis is an intuitive, she's always jumping to conclusions about my intentions. I'm always wondering where in the hell she gets her insights.😂🤣😂
Also, as a sensor, when I watch your videos, I have to slow it down to .75 speed. I'm all about deeetails!😆
With Ne im okay stacking these large conclusion chunks together because it sees enough perspectives to correct course. Im not going to create a massive stack that I learn is entirely wrong. TiNe though
On a case by case basis one of these frameworks is probably a better way to think.
In some things just making tentative conclusions and not proving them is perfectly reasonable like if you are talking about something you have long experience in. E.g. a sport.
Conversly if it's a thing where you *must* be accurate like a major diplomatic agreement or wether or not you should hire this or that person then it better have proven the case in detail.
Ha ha yeah I might stare at the waves an extra half second longer but I would definitely out run an N after I turned around and started running. In times where that half second matters? Yeah I’d be dead.
this is reupload or sth? I've already seen D&S pointing intuition jumping on THIS GUY. Hm...🤔
oh... it was on classes
Can you do an analysis on this video: ua-cam.com/video/AQeVHqh0ghs/v-deo.html ? I have a feeling that his realization of life throwing him surprises and him trying to roll with them is something you two talk about often. I’m curious what you have to say :)
Personally, my biggest pet peeve is to be inefficient… and also, I am always on the lookout for being boring with unrelevant details when I talk. My mom is lead Si and I cannot bear listening to her telling a story 😴😴😴. Get to the point!!!! 😂
😆 Yep, we're all nuts!...yeah, I find it very difficult to listen to people like that "watched pot never boils" guy.🙄😬🤯
I agree, but for me that's the nature of this video. He says a single sentence and then 40 minutes get skipped and you get thrown into it without any idea what happened before. According to the video title I'd expect some sort of structure, but by skipping that is just gone and it would take some time to get in again.
Hi could you blend your eyeshadow a little bit more. Just a suggestion. Chances are you'd like it more.
S: a car, N: a rocket idk lol
Hey so I know you guys are some busy individuals and UA-cam comments probably aren’t at the top of your priority list but I am very into knives and I have been watching your videos for about 6 months now and I think you should check out some blade hq videos for typing examples. It’s a channel filled with videos of men (there are some women, but it’s mostly men) geeking out about knives and other sharp objects
If this was the first video anyone watched of you guys no one would know what the hell you're talking about. Like what the hell are you talking about and why aren't you talking like human beings talk? Do you have to constantly interrupt each other? Would it kill you to have some kind of groundwork and information, an intro, anything to frame what you are going to say at a hundred miles an hour in the next bit.
Who gives a stht, I'm just trying to get to work, that's where people judge me, so I better do right by me so I don't get in trouble. That's what i fear.
You people should have a name for constant swearer's. That's you 2.
My Ni going crazy in new locations, in the elevator wondering how the emergency button works, how long it’d take for first responders to arrive, what’d I’d have to use to defend myself if I’m trapped with an attacker, where’s any security cameras, how long does each level stop take. Meanwhile I’m thinking all of this the other person in there with me could just knock my ass out on a whim.